Well, this is a very stable and rational person.

Not.

This is some sick shit.

Can you say "molested by daddy"?

If this is what my support for choice has led to..... F*CK!!!

If she wasn't ivy league, nobody would be crediting her with any legitimacy.

Didn't we learn anything from GWB?

A strange way to start a conversation...

And before some fellow pro-lifer tries to make the connection, she does NOT represent pro-choice people.

Eh. It's her body.

she's one sick person, and someday she'll regret what she has done.

If you're in the "fetus isn't a baby" crowd, this project really shouldn't bother you at all.

reminds me of the art class girl who photographed random objects next to her Vag and did a series - one was a lightbulb screwed in there.

This chick is lying, its purely for shock value.

you found out about it didn't you.

Nothings Shocking

Ok what the hell is wrong with america when we can sit back and allow someone to have abortions performed as a form of art?

I am pro choice, however I do have to draw the line when a woman and in my opinion a mentally disabled woman makes a statement that she has abortions for the sake of art.
It is quite obvious that just because she attends Yale does not mean that she has a functioning brain.
Also how can a professor allow such a project let alone give a grade for such a horrible choice.
See this is when the Dean of Students needs to step in.

.45 Cal

"Art" just gets better everyday, dunnit?

Someday soon this administration will re-define our role in Iraq as an ongoing modern art installation respresenting an acute physical model of domestic and foreign abstract expressionism of pain and disillusionment.

Aliza is trying to set the record for most innocent lives snuffed out by a Yale enrollee, but she still, we all know she has quite a long way to go...

I see her Shvarts is as big as mine...

TeeHee, Funny for Beekeeper!

Every woman is entitled to a dead baby.

It's in the Constitution.

THIS STORY IS A TOTAL HOAX YOU IDIOTS.

It is true to some degree AND it is sick. But, this is our own NESS G(AWD)OL masquerading here. Nessy is NOT Ivy League....he's not even bush league.

Well--the site is down--wonder why?


Murphy

That is not art.

Look on th bright side: After 20 or 30 scrapings, the inside of her uterus will be like sandpaper and she'll be unable to reproduce and so her genes will never enter the pool...

I guess if you think some paint thrown at a canvas or piss in a bottle is art, this isn't much of a stretch.

But, this is our own NESS G(AWD)OL masquerading here. Nessy is NOT Ivy League....he's not even bush league.

What's up Hard_On? Thanks for thinking of me.

Yep, when it's a sick abortion thread....you are top of the list Nessy........

Plus, you even drop the live birth babies....maybe you are just trying to prove your point and do away with them before the cord is cut....since that is your definition that they aren't an individual yet at that point in time.

*gag*

This is just wrong, somebody check this one in to the ward...

Plus, you even drop the live birth babies

Uh, what?

Uh, Nessy, it was you that came on the Nooner. Bitched about us talking about sports.....then you relayed to us that a slippery baby at delivery slipped through your hands. So what does "Uh, what?" mean........

Becoming obvious you are a "doc in training" fake....

"Thanks for thinking of me."

-NESS_GADOL

He follows you around the internet, affectionately calling you "Nessy." Don't release any personal info. and keep your cheeks puckered.

The self-styled "pro-life" morality cops are out in full force today, but probably have never heard that line about "she's more to be pitied than censured." SCREW the fetal rights fanatics and get this "artist" some counseling. herm

Live or Die....guess what dumbass. I don't "follow" anyone.......I posted the comment about Ness G(awd)ol and he hadn't posted on this thread at the time. It's an abortion thread. He opines about abortion and chose to share the abortion procedures he has performed. Then defines a that a baby is not an individual until the cord is cut. He's a fraud..........

......my hemmorhoids are art.........

.......specially when I sit on someone's face......

........and its in the eyes of the beholder......

Let me guess she votes Democrat?
Has she applied for an NEA grant? I am sure she is a shoe-in. Certainly the kind of statement they are looking for.

Righties,
Riddle me this. The right owned the government from 2000-2006. Right wing prez, right wing congress, right leaning SCOTUS. Why didn't they take whatever steps are necessary to overturn Roe v. Wade or outlaw abortion? I'm not a constitutional scholar so I don't know what is required to change this.
You guys dive all over this (abortion, which I too am against) and it's truly nothing more than a wedge issue because the leaders you vote for never do anything except tell you what "may be" in their mind/what you want to hear, but they have no intention of changing it.

then you relayed to us that a slippery baby at delivery slipped through your hands.

I never dropped either of the two babies I delivered. You're making shit up.

Rode_More_Than_One,

Touchy, today?

Ness probably wouldn't share his abortion procedures with eveyrone if he couldn't count on some over emotional nut sack flipping out every time he does it...

Righties,
Riddle me this. The right owned the government from 2000-2006. Right wing prez, right wing congress, right leaning SCOTUS. Why didn't they take whatever steps are necessary to overturn Roe v. Wade or outlaw abortion? I'm not a constitutional scholar so I don't know what is required to change this.
You guys dive all over this (abortion, which I too am against) and it's truly nothing more than a wedge issue because the leaders you vote for never do anything except tell you what "may be" in their mind/what you want to hear, but they have no intention of changing it.

Posted by evilpolock

Oh no! You're telling me politicians say one thing and do another? Well my day is ruined...

Well, I wasn't referring to their dishonesty...of course they lie. I was more speaking to the silliness of a voter letting this decide who you vote for, when time and time again, nothing is ever done. NOTHING.

Personally, she's pretty fucked up. However, she has the right to do what she wants to do and I have the right to comment on it.

Where the line is drawn, in my opinion, is the sanctioning of this with tax dollars. Private school, yes, but they still get federal money. When someone accepts tax money they need to please everybody who pays those taxes. If you don't want to make everybody happy, become private and pay your own way.

"He who pays the piper calls the tune."

"I was more speaking to the silliness of a voter letting this decide who you vote for, when time and time again, nothing is ever done. NOTHING."
--EVILPOLOCK

Well, I wouldn't refer to minor legislation & conservative SC justices as nothing, but your point remains, though I would modify it to suggest that anyone who votes solely on one issue should re-examine themselves.

That is stunning simply mind-blowing, disgusting, totally fucked up, twisted, horrifying, and just flat out wrong. The sad thing is that it's not even a crime. Then again, who would be twisted enough to think we would need a law for exactly that?

Yeah, abortion and gay marriage were huge issues in 2000 and 2004 and neither was addressed at any level. I wonder what Karl has in store for this seasons political festivities.

I wonder what Karl has in store for this seasons political festivities.

Rove will have to somehow link the sanctity of life with the issue of gays.... so he'll probably remind people that Obama had an affair with the gay choirmaster at his church in the late 1990's, and then had him killed prior to announcing his candidacy. Allegedly.

I thought "no one likes abortion."

Apparently this nut does.

"When someone accepts tax money they need to please everybody who pays those taxes.:"

Speaking of all-inclusive statements! That one covers pretty well everyone and everything. If you ever want to call a cop or a fireman, don't have said anything that might offend anyone. herm

SCREW the fetal rights fanatics and get this "artist" some counseling. herm

Posted by herm at 2008-04-17 01:01 PM | Reply |

Why would someone need counseling for performing an act that you believe to be the moral equivalent of clipping one's own fingernails?

It's just tissue, remember?

Don't see why any lefties could possibly object.

I've been told for years that I'm a knuckle-dragging troglodyte for not putting Rembrandt and the modern art in the same category; that there's no aesthetic difference between the Sistine Chapel and some basketballs suspended in an aquarium, or the NEA exhibit of Mary in a pool of the "artist's" own urine. I'm too stupid to get it, I was told.

And I've also been informed that because I don't support abortion on demand that I must be a righty-tighty who can't possibly relate to the modern world. I want to dial back the clock to 1950. Or 1920. Or 1100, depending on the irrationality of my accuser.

So here we are, with an abortion rights absolutist with an art project. Seems only logical, eventually, that a so-called "artist" would marry the two. Not exactly Michelangelo, but what the hell do I know? The liberals know better; the ones at Yale, better still.

In five years, she'll be having an auction at Sotheby's.

***"Riddle me this. The right owned the government from 2000-2006. Right wing prez, right wing congress, right leaning SCOTUS. Why didn't they take whatever steps are necessary to overturn Roe v. Wade or outlaw abortion? I'm not a constitutional scholar so I don't know what is required to change this."***

An appeal case from a lower court challenging the Constitutionality of Roe v. Wade would have to make it's way to the SCOTUS. IF the SCOTUS were to rule in a way that overturned Roe v. Wade, that would NOT make abortion illegal, it would merely send the matter to what many feel is it's rightful jurisdiction, the individual states.

"Why didn't they take whatever steps are necessary to overturn Roe v. Wade or outlaw abortion?"

Because even the frothing-at-the-mouth righties, court and all, understand that to do so would drive half the nation's genders back into the streets and get even men to join the revolution. The court, Bush and his minions pay lip service to fetal rights, but they know better than to try to enforce them. herm

"I'm too stupid to get it, I was told."

You said it, RisR. I didn't. Anton doesn't really expect a reply. herm

I've never pretended to be a metrosexual sophisticate like you, Herm.

Let us know how the exhibit goes.

RiR,
I believe you meant "homosexual pieceashit", not "metrosexual sophisticate"

You use your thesaurus, I'll use mine.

Yeah, abortion and gay marriage were huge issues in 2000 and 2004 and neither was addressed at any level. I wonder what Karl has in store for this seasons political festivities.

Posted by evilpolock

Last time it was McCain had a black love child.
Now it'll be Obama is a black love child.

With Clinton its the she's a monster thing.

JWK,
Thanks. Then it seems like a non issue for a voter, since it can never be reversed by a politician?

Anton doesn't really expect a reply. herm

Posted by herm at 2008-04-17 02:41 PM | Reply

Actually, to be precise, I don't expect a coherent reply.

This On the same day that Pelosi holds up a congressional bill honring the Pope's visit because it had some reference in their to "Honoring Human life", So of course she thought this was anti abortion, so made them take that out...Does anyone see any coincidence. It was just a billl honoring the pope, is your politicals on killing babies so important you had to make that statement? What an unbelieveable circus of metal midgets and out right moral vacumm the Dem party has become

I don't see any inconsistency in supporting a person's right to choose to have an abortion and being repulsed by someone treating abortions like a sport.

Herm,

Why does she need counseling? Those embryos aren't anything but her body, right? It is moronic for pro-deathers to be against this artistic genius...

It is Starting to look more and more like the Dems are the "romans" and Pelosi is 'King Herrod"..making sure as many babies are killed as possible so the "Messiah" is never born..Has anyone checked her head for a 666, Just curious

I don't see any inconsistency in supporting a person's right to choose to have an abortion and being repulsed by someone treating abortions like a sport.

Posted by JOE at 2008-04-17 03:33 PM | Reply

Sport? No. Sports are tacky.

This is art! Who could be repulsed by art?

Philistine ....

"This is art! Who could be repulsed by art?"

I can. Anyone can. There is no rule that just because something is referred to as "art," that we are to suspend our instincts and capacity for judgment. I haven't seen "liberals," or whoever you are trying to express disagreement with, make that argument.

So I guess this means I can eat a burrito or two, swill some really cheap beer, and then drop a deuce on a canvas and call it a Pollock??

Lefties,

Well, at least she murdered the babies for the sake of art and her career as an artist... That's a higher purpose than merely for convenience!

So I guess this means I can eat a burrito or two, swill some really cheap beer, and then drop a deuce on a canvas and call it a Pollock??

Posted by jrod54 at 2008-04-17 04:01 PM | Reply

Why not?

That is pretty much what Pollock did.

Damn - it's gone now but The Onion used to have a story with the headline:

JACKSON POLLOCK LOSES HOUSEPAINTING JOB

I haven't seen "liberals," or whoever you are trying to express disagreement with, make that argument.

Posted by JOE at 2008-04-17 03:51 PM | Reply |

I was expressing disagreement with Herm, particularly. Trying to discuss anything remotely related to abortion with him is about as productive as attempting to nail Jell-o to a wall.

I'll withdraw my other comments which were inartfully (pun intended) offered in jest.

I guess GW is not the stupidest person to ever go to Yale. Sorry libs

Posted by evilpolock at 2008-04-17 01:11 PM

The SCOTUS ruled that partial birth abortion law in Kansas (?) is upheld and against the law there.

The rest of the states are following or will follow.

It will be on the ballot in a number of states in November--just in time to bring out the conservative voters.

Oohrah--I hope and pray I am bringing up my son to see through this kind of girl and stay the heck away.

This girl has a dark heart--if this is real at all.

Murphy

"She said she was not concerned about any medical effects the forced miscarriages may have had on her body. The abortifacient drugs she took were legal and herbal, she said, and she did not feel the need to consult a doctor about her repeated miscarriages."

With any luck, she's sterilized herself and so we won't have to worry about her traumatizing some poor kid with a childhood full of her "creativity".

She'll probably get the Noble Peace Prize for art!

I guess GW is not the stupidest person to ever go to Yale. Sorry libs

Posted by locodog at 2008-04-17 04:14 PM | Reply | Flag:


Plus, John Kerry had worse grades at Yale than GW.

"I can. Anyone can. There is no rule that just because something is referred to as "art," that we are to suspend our instincts and capacity for judgment."

art is meant to be judged. I find a lot of art shit. Doesn't mean I would condemn it from being shown as art. Just my taste. As for this "fetus art" I find it quite digusting but it does make one think. I'm not a big fan of shock art. But one guido's can of shit is another's $30,000 art investment.

I'm also not a fan of morality laws in reagrd to art. The worse thing you can do to an artist is to ignore their work and make it irrelevant. Sadly with all the media attention this will not be the case at Yale.

Some hours later, I s'pose I gotta answer the yahoos about why this person needs counseling even when I deem abortion an acceptable procedure. Suppose someone tries to make art out of his/her feces. This indicates a need for therapy. It does not imply that the pieces of feces are human.

Anton trying to discuss this intelligently is humor of the highest order. And yes, there's nothing in this thread to dispel the firmly held belief that George IS/WAS the dumbest ever to attend Yale.

Suppose someone tries to make art out of his/her feces. This indicates a need for therapy. It does not imply that the pieces of feces are human.

Posted by herm at 2008-04-17 07:50 PM | Reply

Herm, I hate to break this to you, but artists have used fecal matter in their exhibits.

You may recall the Virgin Mary in elephant dung. Andre Serrano has used his own urine and semen in artistic photographs. I believe Mapplethorpe has a penchant for the scatalogical as well.

They're all crazy, right?

By the way, when did you become a psychiatrist?

"Herm, I hate to break this to you, but artists have used fecal matter in their exhibits:"

Andy/Tony, this is nothing new. Nada. You asked a question. I replied. I don't have to be a shrink to know YOU have a problem. Above all, you don't listen . herm

Dammit! where was art when she was born! wtf!

(she should have been aborted for the slow people. to put into perspective! imagine each one of your friends being aborted by this bitch!)

btw i read some of your comments and you people are just as insane as her.

If you think abortion, blood, is art then i suppose you love Jack the ripper's photos!

sick fucks

WTF

This person is hereby granted a 90day mental health assessment. This action not to be voluntary.

While I am pro-choice, this is so far over the top as to be out of sight. This isn't forgivable, Creating a fertilized condition for the express purpose of have some form of an abortion is or should be criminal.

This is maybe the only foreseeable circumstance that I will be in full agreement with pro-lifers.

How about we hear at least one opinion on this from an aborted fetus?

Not so funny when you really think about it. Good thing the parents of everyone posting here didn't take the same "pro-choice" attitude as this worthless example of individualism.

Well she might be trying for the record but my ex's sister probably still has her beat. I know of four on record and who knows how many more. The hypocrite whore would sleep with a random stranger on Saturday, sing in the church choir on Sunday, and have an abortion by Thursday.

...and she hated my guts because I would occasionally tie one on when I was in college. With the guys, not other girls mind you.

She made my life a living hell and while I'm reluctantly pro-choice, I hope those dead little babies give her the same nightmares this little "scholar" will like have for the next ...umm...fifty years or so.

...will likely have, that is.

New Haven, Conn. -- April 17, 2008

Ms. Shvarts is engaged in performance art. Her art project includes visual representations, a press release and other narrative materials. She stated to three senior Yale University officials today, including two deans, that she did not impregnate herself and that she did not induce any miscarriages. The entire project is an art piece, a creative fiction designed to draw attention to the ambiguity surrounding form and function of a woman's body.

She is an artist and has the right to express herself through performance art.

Had these acts been real, they would have violated basic ethical standards and raised serious mental and physical health concerns.

-Helaine S. Klasky, Yale University

She could just learn how to paint, but I guess that would take too much effort.

So which do we believe? The "lie" that is the piece of art, or the "truth" that was the piece of art? Either way this "artist" is still a worthless human being. Please trade her spot in America with that of an abused woman living in an islamic society. That would be a much better way "to draw attention to the ambiguity surrounding form and function of a woman's body."

i'm from connecticut

and i have to say all the yale grads i've met are complete idiots

technocracy
if you don't code
you shouldn't rule ;)

well i am in mass now
but i am from ct

for those who are going to say i'm flip flopping on my residence

1990-2007 - ct resident
2007-present - masshole

zat
i'm talking new generation ;)

oldies are smarties

lol btw i mean kids born AFTER your boss graduated.

hoax

Plus, John Kerry had worse grades at Yale than GW.

Posted by ride_on at 2008-04-17 05:51 PM


GW cheated. Do you really think this punk ever studied in college?

moron

"technocracy
if you don't code
you shouldn't rule ;)"

Do we have an Agile fucktard here?

The art project was a put on. You guys must get tired of having your cheeks torn apart by the hooks so frequently. Also, the art project has at least as much right to be seen as the pictures of real abortions that appear regularly at abortion clinics in this great country of ours!

"You guys must get tired of having your cheeks torn apart by the hooks so frequently."

Cool movie.

technocracy
if you don't code
you shouldn't rule ;)


Agreed.


Not all of them.
My first boss was a yalie.
helmreich.socialpsychology.org

Summer 1970.


There was a turning point somewhere back then where the college/university became less about the continued education and the expansion of one's mind and more about the "experience"...the drinking, banging as many coeds as possible, the drugs.

Sure those things existed prior to this turning point, but the folks understood they were there for an education, not to sit in a tiny room in a stinky dorm and play playstation.

I'm somehow reminded of Andy Kauffman's crazy scheme's. He may have appreciated this form of art, even if humor wasn't the intent.

The thought that this was a hoax definetely crossed my mind and I am pleased that it turned out to be one. Lets just hope she didn't give someone else an idea.

Suckered by another lying Yalie. Do't we ever learn?
But it did give the gullible talibaptists a chance to vent their spleens.

Now THAT would make good performance art.

Has anyone looked into whether this actually was true, and whether Yale hasn't simply threatened to crush this girl's future if she didn't retract and say it was all a sham?

Joe, are you always this paranoid?

I think it's a valid question, and certainly not beyond the scope of what any business would do.

This is close to yelling "Fire" in a crowded theater, if you ask me....

Yes, you can say what you want but others are also free to comment on what you said. Combining two things like a public hoax and abortion are two things that are going to piss off a lot of people.

Sounds like new material for Rosie O'Donnel's commedy comback:

Q: So, how many dead baby's does it take to make a masterpiece?

A: Don't know. Depends on how slutty the artist is....

"How about we hear at least one opinion on this from an aborted fetus? "

One great gap in the fetal rights bunch's attempt at thinking is perpetuating the lunacy that fetuses have opinions. herm

"You guys must get tired of having your cheeks torn apart by the hooks so frequently."

Was there any reason to think this was a hoax when it was first reported? If you don't think people do shit that is much stranger than this all the time, you need to get out of the house. I don't understand why you want to pretend people who believe the story are gullible.

"You guys must get tired of having your cheeks torn apart by the hooks so frequently."

Was there any reason to think this was a hoax when it was first reported? If you don't think people do shit that is much stranger than this all the time, you need to get out of the house. I don't understand why you want to pretend people who believed the story are gullible.

Herm,

I didn't mention anything about fetuses, Herm. Still, what is your definition of fetus?

1. Is it alive? If not, how does it grow up to be a Herm? If not, why does it have to be killed by a professional?

2. If it is alive, what kind of thing is it? A wombat?

What would a BIOLOGIST answer to these questions be, Herm?

I tried to get an answer from Bob on this, but he doesn't seem to know the answer. I figure you're more educated than Bob, though, although your political history is pretty weak. Still, I'm hopeful.....

I bet Yale is thrilled with her, given that this is the month when next year's prospective freshmen have to let the school know if they will attend. How many heard the first story, but missed this "hoax" angle, and may pick, God help us, Harvard...

"I didn't mention anything about fetuses, Herm. Still, what is your definition of fetus?"

SOMEbody certainly mentioned fetuses. I don't recall attempting to set YOU straight on anything today, however, Jon .

"1. Is it alive? If not, how does it grow up to be a Herm? If not, why does it have to be killed by a professional?"

It is not alive, Jon. It MAY be alive if allowed to grow. An acorn is not an oak tree, Jon, but may be one some day. It gets to be a herm through careful study. It does not HAVE to be killed, by a pro or anyone else, but the woman carrying the fetus may choose not to carry it to term. I get a sense that this will not satisfy you.

"2. If it is alive, what kind of thing is it? A wombat?"

A fetus. Which differs slightly from a wombat. What's a wombat? Does it differ from a widget?

"What would a BIOLOGIST answer to these questions be, Herm?"

I'm a journalist, not a biologist. A biologist probably would differentiate more carefully among zygotes, embryos, fetuses and people. Why don't you ask a BIOLOGIST, Jon?

"I tried to get an answer from Bob on this, but he doesn't seem to know the answer. I figure you're more educated than Bob, though, although your political history is pretty weak. Still, I'm hopeful.....

Jon, I keep referring to a 1980 Geneva world convocation of theologians on when life begins. They couldn't decide. I'm glad that you purport to have all the answers. But then you're a Republican. herm

"I'm glad that you purport to have all the answers."
--HERM

You do the same, having stated repeatedly that a fetus is not life. Criticizing others for something that you also do can be called hypocrisy. Something I'm sure you're no stranger to.

"One great gap in the fetal rights bunch's attempt at thinking is perpetuating the lunacy that fetuses have opinions. herm"

No more than the lunacy of thinking that you have a right to suck air. If you cannot show respect for a fetus or a even a child, why should anyone give you any? What makes others refrain from drawing the same line when it comes to you? It isn't the fact that you are older than 9 months.

I am guessing that you don't have kids. But if I am wrong, what keeps you from retroactively aborting them when you tire of them?

"I am guessing that you don't have kids. But if I am wrong, what keeps you from retroactively aborting them when you tire of them?"

Children, grandchildren. You couldn't be wronger, Pot, voting for Bush. I got into the choice movement and escorting women past the yahoo harassment into the clinic for a daughter who's raising three happy healthy boys because she had a choice in the '80s, a stepdaughter who's dead in the water at 35 because the loonies got to her at the most vulnerable time, and an ex who made a mistake once before Roe and had to go to a Tijuana butcher shop.

I'm sure you realize, Pot, how preposterous retroactive abortion is. herm

Retroactive abortions happen every day in this world. It isn't preposterous, it is a fact. You may draw the line at 9 months, others never draw a line when it comes to murdering/disposing of an innocent life.

I look at my kids and think I would have been a loon to have ever ended one of their lives. I believe they have every right to be born. I don't know how I could ever tell my kids about the sibling who would have been too much for mom and dad to raise.

In my mind, too many people make bad decisions (excluding health complications, rape, etc.) and use abortion as an escape clause instead of being responsible in the first place. Blame society or her parents. I don't care what excuse she comes up with. The mother still has to make the decision to end her child's life.

What makes doing it after 9 months any different? It sucked air? She got to know it as a "human?" Hell, it still can't survive on its own for years. It isn't much different at being a "human" at 24 months than it was at 2!

It's nice that you're happy with your kids, Potty. Everyone ought to be. Every child ought to be wanted. There's no "innocent life" in terminating a pregnancy. There's no life at all. I've told you that but you never listen. I know you got here late, Potty, but no one has "a right to be born." Every child that IS born, however, has a right to be happy and wanted. Hope that makes sense to ya. herm

Herm, I'm sorry that you didn't want all of yours. Too bad for the "tissue." (I think Idi Amin used the same logic.) There is no life there because YOU say so and that makes YOU sleep better at night with the decisions YOU have made in YOUR life. It seems to be all about YOU, doesn't it? Rather selfish. It is called a rationalization. Something we do when we want grey in a black & white issue. Would that be yiny or yangy?

No, your explanation doesn't past muster. If no one has a right to be born, then no one has a right to continue past birth either. Because that right would have to be absolute, not based on some arbitrary decision. And that right would have to come from something greater than ourselves. And we wouldn't want to admit that we aren't the cat's meow in this world, would we?

"Potty?" Cute. You must be a college graduate. Sure didn't take long to resort to name calling. Yalie? Or the University of Me First?

Sleep well.

Herm,

Are you an idiot?

Did you just say that there is no life in the child someboday terminates in an abortion? God, thats wrong on so many levels its hard to fathom.
Go reada few books on pregnancies, watch the disovery channel, hell go watch Animal Planet; never, ever is a being who has yet to be born been considered 'dead' before hand.

Good grief.

Potty, I just saw a flick (it ended less than an hour ago) that reinforces my values, my reasons for backing reproductive rights. "Four Months, Three weeks, etc." was real, not like the Hollywood crap of "Juno" and "Waitress" and "Knocked Up," where unlikely pregnant ladies carry to term to please The Right.

Yes, Potty - a term of endearment, based on your "handle" - I do have a master's degree and a half century in the Real World After that. And no, Potty, it's decidedly not about me, as I posted elsewhere. It's FOR my grandkids. For a daughter who raised three happy, healthy boys because she had a choice in the '80s. For a stepdaughter, dead in the water at 35, because fundies got to her in a vulnerable moment. For an ex-wife who made a mistake ten years before Roe and had to go to a Tijuana butcher mill. Idi Amin has nothing to do with it. Was he a fetal rightist? I'm sure YOU think in black & white, Potty, but the world IS shades of gray. herm

so, the chick's hoax was the "art", she wanted to get reactions which is what some poor artists believe is the purpose of art. So what.

The best thing about her artwork appeared here in this blog, hoever:


Aliza is trying to set the record for most innocent lives snuffed out by a Yale enrollee, but she still, [as] we all know[,] has quite a long way to go...

Posted by k_g_beekeeper at 2008-04-17 11:56 AM


ka-ZING!!! Perfect! Thank you kg :-)

Btw, one of the names I was considering for my band was "Cagey Bee" ;-)

This woman is a cream of the crop Idiot.

But So is Herm..the baby is dead before it is born?

Man you are one sick turd.

Murphy

Sorry, Spud. Pretty sure I never said a woman couldn't abort a child if she wanted to. That is her decision but it doesn't change the fact the she ended the child's life. It makes it easier for her to rationalize killing the child by only referring to it as a fetus or tissue so she doesn't feel so bad. She chose to end a human life, mostly for personal convenience according to the opinions offered here. It is not like the child (the consequence of her actions) was threatening her life, it was just going to interrupt her plans for her future. So kill away.

I don't have to look at you in the mirror. I also don't have approve of her selfish decision. Everyone sets their own moral boundaries, and some are a hell of a lot smaller and selfish than others. As long as there are no consequences for your choices, you're bound to do whatever the hell you want.
If the measure of having a "true" conscience (whatever you are implying by that) or intelligence is being able rationalize the killing of unborn humans, then I say you have very skewed and low standards. Other than giving it another name, what makes killing an unborn child out of convenience any different than killing old people because they're too burdensome or purposely killing innocent civilians because they are in your way? To me all three are murder. Just be a man/woman and have the balls to admit that you're killing a child. Don't be a coward and hide behind your rhetoric that makes you feel better about yourself.

And I think you Nancy's can do better than Potty. I know 8 year olds with sharper wits.

"Just be a man/woman and have the balls to admit that you're killing a child."

Potty, you came in late, but we hashed out this idiocy in prior postings. Here are a few of mine, edited:

A Planned Parenthood fund raiser in a posh community talked about folks giving in five figures, $10,000 and up, mostly so Hispanics and other undesirables don't multiply. But terminating pregnancies is a small part of PP work.

In a lifetime of peace marches, rallies and street protests, I NEVER met a "rabid liberal." But loonies who waved nine-foot bloody fetus photos and harassed women in front of our clinic were scary, glassy-eyed fanatics who acted as if they'd have no compunction about killing you and then say god told them to.

"Sex selection abortions are such an abomination. Some day liberals will agree." In a sense abortions for any reason are tragic, but often are the only alternative. Sex selection or other reason, we have no right to ask. We get people enough food so they need not rely on males. Some semblance of social justice might cut into these gender-related abortions.

"(W)hat about a man's right to choose fatherhood?" I may choose it, but without a corresponding female to choose motherhood, MY choice becomes meaningless.

"How about one opinion from an aborted fetus? " One great gap in the fetal rights bunch's attempt at thinking is perpetuating the lunacy that fetuses have opinions.

"Learning and Memory in the Womb ... the capacity to learn and remember." You stretch even MY credulity by postulating some zygote meditating in the womb: "I wonder if ontogeny really does recapitulate phylogeny." Fetuses really lack any such point of reference. Let me know if all this is a little too abstruse for you.

"We are pro-life because a new born child has the potential to change the world." We're not talking about newborn kids. We're talking fetuses that have the potential of becoming newborn kids if she does not opt to interrupt the pregnancy.

"Why didn't they overturn Roe?"Even frothing-at-the-mouth court righties know that would drive half the nation's genders into the streets and get even men to join the revolution. The court, Bush and pals pay lip service to fetal rights, but they know better than to try to enforce them.

I've posted before about a 1980 world convocation of theologians in Geneva to try to determine when life begins. When they couldn't decide between conception and birth, alpha brain waves and fetal heartbeat were offered as compromises. Clerics said "gee," and kept on beating each other up. It's *reasonable,* to be sure, but we have no right to push that definition onto others.

"I think most people would like a compromise. Maybe, no second or third term abortions except in the instance of rape or incest." Choice IS the compromise, Ben. You'd gauge just HOW pregnant she is, and still not please those who think fertilized eggs are people; peoplehood is not less for the rape or incest ...

HAHAHA, yes!

Someone said, 'if you're pro-choice you shouldn't have a problem with this'

and i didn't have a problem with it
and now
it's even funnier!

cheers to Yale, and cheers to this chick.....