i'll call this "the rachel corrie love your enemy until they kill you" syndrome.

Peace out or Wack Job?

i'll call this "the rachel corrie love your enemy until they kill you" syndrome.

Posted by nanc at 2008-04-14 11:27 AM | Reply |



seems Jesus had that same disease, your sympathy is mighty christian of you.

i don't feel sorry for people choose to be stupid, truthhurts - if it's self inflicted, whatever comes is deserved. i cannot stop or help it.

take a hike why don't you? got a wedding dress handy?

please look up the definition of pharisee in relation to christ's teaching

and when you are done looking that up, perhaps you could send a donation to this group

No I don't think I'll be doing that.

"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God" (Matthew 5:9).



got to love christians

got what she DESERVED

i don't feel sorry for people choose to be stupid, truthhurts - if it's self inflicted, whatever comes is deserved. i cannot stop or help it.

YEAH!

She Raped and Murdered Herself?

nanc pretends to be a christian if i am not mistaken

Foolhardy she may have been but she did not deserve to be raped and murdered. It is sort of sick that some here say she deserved it.

fauxtian

thankx, th, but our family already has many organizations we give to - all four-stars at charity navigator - our children save theirs throughout the year and give it all at once at the end of the year.

i'm sure this lady knew exactly what she could be in store for - you don't travel around the middle east in a wedding dress searching for peace - it's moonbattery at its acme.

you need to examine your conscience

blame the victim, well I suppose it was Jesus' fault for getting crucified.

deserve, pretty powerful stuff.

you should move to Saudi Arabia you seem to have alot in common with their policies.

btw wouldnt you say the terrorists have won when we espouse the same doctrine as they?

would you skydive without a parachute?

drive a car blindfolded?

yeah, peace.

when we do, let me know - 'kay?

i killed Jesus.

yeah, how dare she trust mankind, created in god's image, we are murdering blood thirsty savages.

you also killed Pippa


the cynics are right, the world is fucked.


however, nanc, you may not call yourself a christian ever again.

I guess one of those religion of peace adherents thought the wedding dress was an offer and took her up on it.

then stop reminding me of it!

RIYADH - A Saudi woman who was kidnapped at knifepoint, gang-raped and then beaten by her brother has been sentenced to 90 lashes -- for a meeting a man who was not a relative, a newspaper reported on Monday.

In an interview with the Saudi Gazette, the 19-year-old said she was blackmailed a year ago into meeting a man who threatened to tell her family they were having a relationship outside wedlock, which is illegal in the ultra-conservative desert kingdom.

After driving off together from a shopping mall near her home, the woman and the man were stopped and abducted by a gang of men wielding kitchen knives who took them to a farm where she was raped 14 times by her captors.

Five men were arrested for the rape and given jail terms ranging from 10 months to five years by a panel of judges in the eastern city of Qatif, near the woman's hometown.

But the judges also decided to sentence the woman, identified by the newspaper only as G,' and the man to lashes for being alone together in the car.

Unrelated men and women are forbidden from interacting in public in Saudi Arabia, which strictly enforces Islamic Sharia law.

G' said one of the judges told she was lucky not to have been given jail time. I was shocked at the verdict. I couldn't believe my ears,' said the woman, who has appealed against her sentence.

The woman also told the paper she tried to commit suicide because of her ordeal and was beaten by her younger brother because the rape had brought shame on their family.

Fuziyah Al Ouni, described as an activist by the paper, said she was outraged by the case. By sentencing her to 90 lashes they are sending a message that she is guilty. No rape victim is guilty,' she said.

There are severe legal restrictions on women in Saudi Arabia, including a strict dress code required outside the home and a ban on driving.



got what she deserved

akuna matata, th!

you will forever be reminded that you thought a rape victim deserved what she got.

you don't travel around the middle east in a wedding dress searching for peace
Posted by nanc at 2008-04-14 12:31 PM

YEAH!

Umm, isn't that EXACTLY what Jesus did?

rape victim

one of jesus's blessed peacemakers was raped and murdered

you think she deserved it, jesus thought she was one of god's children

I am sure if she had been wandering around to tell folks "the good news" this would be looked on as a great tragedy by Nanc and her ilk. But since she was a peace loving librul hippy, she got what she deserved, hell they prolly think she liked it. Hey Nanc next time you pick up your bible maybe you could try reading it. The parts in red letters are particularly of interest.

nahhh jesus was all about the partying, you know his first miracle was to keep the wine flowing at a wedding ceremony! jesus was a party fiend!



Pharisee
Outside of Jewish history and writings, the Pharisees have been made notable by references in the Christian Bible to conflicts between them and Jesus. Christian traditions have been a cause of widespread awareness of the Pharisees among the world's roughly 2 billion Christians.

Because of the New Testament's frequent depictions of Pharisees as self-righteous rule-followers, the word "pharisee" (and its derivatives: "pharisaical", etc.) has changed in meaning and has come into semi-common usage in English to describe a hypocritical and arrogant person who places the letter of the law above its spirit. Jews today (who subscribe to Pharisaic Judaism) typically find this insulting if not anti-Semitic.

Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are they who mourn, for they will be comforted.
Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the land.
Blessed are they who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be satisfied.
Blessed are the merciful, for they will be shown mercy.
Blessed are the clean of heart, for they will see God.
Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called children of God.
Blessed are they who are persecuted for the sake of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are you when they insult you and persecute you and utter every kind of evil against you (falsely) because of me.


Nanc you are not being persecuted for righteousness but for arrogance. You are not be being insulted because of Jesus but because of your hypocrisy.

That's what the stupid b*tch gets for her cultural insensitivity. A wedding dress in Turkey? Women NOT wearing burkha's DESERVE to get raped. In fact, it's every good Mulsim man's responsibility to see that she gets a good banging before the stoning.

What did she think she was doing, travelling through the West? Tolerance is for 'the other guy' to be tolerant of ME, not visa versa.

I got money that says the perp gets off with a coupla attaboys from the mullahs for a job well done.

The Left believes that "peacemaker" is a synonym for "dhimmi"...

You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.'
39
But I say to you, offer no resistance to one who is evil. When someone strikes you on (your) right cheek, turn the other one to him as well.
40
If anyone wants to go to law with you over your tunic, hand him your cloak as well.
41
Should anyone press you into service for one mile, 26 go with him for two miles.
42
Give to the one who asks of you, and do not turn your back on one who wants to borrow.
43
27 "You have heard that it was said, 'You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.'
44
But I say to you, love your enemies, and pray for those who persecute you,
45
that you may be children of your heavenly Father, for he makes his sun rise on the bad and the good, and causes rain to fall on the just and the unjust.
46
For if you love those who love you, what recompense will you have? Do not the tax collectors 28 do the same?
47
And if you greet your brothers only, what is unusual about that? Do not the pagans do the same? 29
48
So be perfect, 30 just as your heavenly Father is perfect.

The Romans were peacemakers. Once they crushed the opposition, there was peace throughout the empire.

A wedding dress in Turkey? Women NOT wearing burkha's DESERVE to get raped. In fact, it's every good Mulsim man's responsibility to see that she gets a good banging before the stoning.



another idiot demonstrates his ignorance


Secularism in Turkey was introduced with the Turkish Constitution of 1924 and later the Atatrk's Reforms set the administrative and political requirements to create a modern, democratic, secular state aligned with the Kemalist ideology. After thirteen years of its introduction, the lacit (February 5 1937) was explicitly stated in the second article of the Turkish constitution. The current Turkish constitution neither recognizes an official religion nor, promotes any.

Impact on individuals
The constitutional rule that prohibits discrimination on religious grounds is taken very seriously. Turkey, as a secular country, prohibits by law the wearing of religious headcover and theo-political symbolic garments for both genders in government buildings, schools, and universities;[7] a law upheld by the Grand Chamber of the European Court of Human Rights as "legitimate" on November 10, 2005 in Leyla ahin v. Turkey.[8]

The strict application of secularism in Turkey has been credited for enabling women to have access to greater opportunities, compared to countries with a greater influence of religion in public affairs, in matters of education, employment, wealth as well as political, social and cultural freedoms.[9]

Nanc shows us just one more example of why she's earthborne scum along the lines of Turdowe and Johnson.

Do you kiss your mother with that mouth? If so, please remind her to go to the vet's office to have her shots updated.

all this from people who defend the killing of innocent children through the barbaric procedure known as abortion!

guess it's all relative?

hahahahahahahaha

oh my fucking god!
the hubris

the downright fucking arrogance

you are a sick sick human fucking being.

did your pussy get wet hearing about her naked body dumped in the woods?

you are a sick fuck

think if you can about that woman's last moments

think about her being beaten by this man, dragged into the woods, her clothes ripped from her body, a strange man holding her down, violating her body, taking her most private person from her, abusing her spiritually, the loneliness she must have felt as this scumbag climaxes inside of her,

then killing her, probably held her down and choked her to death, I wonder if she looked into the eyes of the scum that did this

to cap the crime he leaves her dead body naked for the world to have a final look at her humanity.

and you think she deserved that.

naive, yes, sad, yes,

deserved fucking no.

and you think she deserved that.

you are a sick fucking human being.

oh yeah - i'd be the sick one after those two comments!

i guess an unsuspecting baby in the warmth of the womb has no idea it has what its got coming to it, truthhurts?

you're not stomping your little foot while gritting your teeth are you?

Nanc I think you have shown by your comments that you could not care less about the unborn lives. Your sole interest in abortion is making sure the "harlots" pay for their "sin" against your morality.

you need help

you sympathy for unborn fetus and embryos in impressive, it is a shame you are incapable of feeling sympathy for your fellow human beings,

well I guess once their born, they are no longer a concern for you.

their "sin" against your morality


and that sin of course is what trusting in their fellow man? getting a ride from people? striving for peace?

i can see that you're so PEACEFUL that you'd knock my block off to get your point across, th. you peacful sorts are so...well...you're so demonstrative!

you'd probably like to love me to death, i'll bet.

"all this from people who defend the killing of innocent children through the barbaric procedure known as abortion"

YEAH!


Previously on Butch TV:

"i don't feel sorry for people choose to be stupid - if it's self inflicted, whatever comes is deserved. i cannot stop or help it"

Yup, so some defend a woman's right to oversee their own reproduction, (ie self inflicted Choice) while others Rush to defend their womanly right to be Raped (i.e. self inflicted/Deserved)!

salaryman - those babies are in the wrong place at the wrong time - just trying to draw some parallels i thought you libtards could understand - my terrible!

So Redneck,

How about that guy who slipped his pregnant girlfriend an abortion pill in her cocktail...

Finally "us guys" have a right to oversee OUR own reproduction! Woo-Hoo!

I was about to comment, until I stumbled accross this:


Foolhardy she may have been but she did not deserve to be raped and murdered. It is sort of sick that some here say she deserved it.

Posted by danni at 2008-04-14 12:22 PM


I can't improve upon that comment.

But she DID! It's our DUTY to punish these b*tches! Read the Koran!

i can see that you're so PEACEFUL that you'd knock my block off to get your point across, th. you peacful sorts are so...well...you're so demonstrative!

you'd probably like to love me to death, i'll bet.

Posted by nanc


now we can add liar to your virtures

where have I EVER threatened or stated I would knock your block off. I have never implied anything of violence to you.

I firmly believe you are a sick deluded human being who needs help. to state that a woman like this deserved what she got is abhorrent.

to defend that position implies sickness.

to state that one is a christian and have these positions makes you a hypocrit.

and for the record I am not religous.

I am a humanitarian. I believe in peace. I believe in striving for peace. I feel sympathy for victims.

you I just believe need psychiatic help

"those babies are in the wrong place at the wrong time"

YEAH!

Especially if they are the Product of a Deserved Rape(tm) don't you think?!

And here I am thinking you didn't care about those people who "choose to be stupid"?

you'd probably like to love me to death, i'll bet

YEAH!

There no hiding it anymore Butch --- we know now for sure you're a man!

"i don't feel sorry for people choose to be stupid, truthhurts - if it's self inflicted, whatever comes is deserved. i cannot stop or help it."

so then you're agreeing with me?

i love they way the left will spin everything.

oh, trust me - i'm a girly-girl!

"i don't feel sorry for people choose to be stupid, truthhurts - if it's self inflicted, whatever comes is deserved. i cannot stop or help it.

Posted by nanc at 2008-04-14 11:52 AM"

Wow, that is an amazingly cuntish thing to say. Does it mean Jesus got what he deserved too? If not, why not? He was doing things he was warned not to, and he chose to do them anyway, so he got hwat he deserved, according the Nanc.

"i don't feel sorry for people choose to be stupid, truthhurts - if it's self inflicted, whatever comes is deserved. i cannot stop or help it."

so then you're agreeing with me?

i love they way the left will spin everything.

Posted by nanc



i honestly have no idea what you are talking about.

you are saying she deserved being raped and murdered, for what, trusting humanity? ok that is fine, but you are sick

"what," not "hwat" and "according to nanc." God, you'd almost think I had Asperger's...

oh, trust me - i'm a girly-girl!

Posted by nanc


I just vomited

for the record - i don't believe ANYBODY should be raped or murdered, no matter how stupid they choose to be - that means ANYBODY.

you're agreeing with me that hers was self-inflicted stupidity.

and another thing, we all eventually get exactly what we deserve. the article states she was working for "art" - i highly doubt her little art project had ANYTHING to do with faith.

oohrah

noone disagrees that this woman made a very dangerous decision, but to say she got what she deserved is sickening.

I think some things to keep in mind is that I am sure her actions were public, ie she was performing a public mission, something followed by some level of press etc, with a very public image to it (woman in a wedding dress)

Turkey is not Saudi Arabia and there is no burka requirement, she was actually quite conservatively dressed

I figure this has more to do with the actions of a criminal than anything religously motivated.

I dont advocated hitch hiking, it is inherently dangerous. and she was doing it.

but to say she deserved to be raped and murdered is sickening.

wow only 64 comments and 2 1/2 hours of pointing out how sick you are brought you to the realization that "for the record - i don't believe ANYBODY should be raped or murdered, no matter how stupid they choose to be - that means ANYBODY."

nice to know you had a conversion.

I still think you need to do penance.

Don,t believe Nanc she thinks that librul peacnik got what was coming to her. She doesn't give a squirt of piss for the unborn. She is interested in making sure the sinners get punished for their sin. In this case forcing them to have an unwanted baby.

Hey tooth hurts why do you keep using qoutation marks I thought you only used apostophes?

you lying sack of jesus loving shit.

JESOWND!

Hey tooth hurts why do you keep using quotation marks I thought you only used apostophes?

you lying sack of jesus loving shit.

JESOWND!

"and another thing, we all eventually get exactly what we deserve. the article states she was working for "art" - i highly doubt her little art project had ANYTHING to do with faith.

Posted by nanc at 2008-04-14 02:16 PM"

Some examples:

Jesus being nailed to a cross.
The Pope being shot by a freak.
A baby killed in a car wreck.

I could go on and on, but the point is this is a fucking stupid comment.

"Is that Chris Farley's baby sister?

Posted by OohRah at 2008-04-14 02:18 PM"

No, that's Nanc, the "girly-girl."

Oh yeah, and Nanc's son deserved to be inflicted with Asperger's, because, well, he just did.

I dont love jesus, he is a figment of your imagination.

nanc's comments annoy me for MANY reasons, including the fact that she implies that this woman who clearly was attempting to make a postive statement for peace was stupid, yes hitchhiking was stupid, but the idealistic belief in humanity is not stupid, it is what the world needs, and she spits on that idealism

and she calls herself a christian and once again I find myself taking pleasure in pointing out the hypocrisy of fauxtians.

but to say she deserved to be raped and murdered is sickening.

Posted by truthhurts


A-fucking-men!!!


Look, I fully believe in advising women to act prudently, for the sake of their own personal safety, becuase I understand how cruel some can be.


Nevertheless, I literally want to vomit when anyone suggests that a provocative person "deserves" to be raped - under any circumstance.

As a society, this is repugnant. We need to hammer home (no pun intended) that 'no' means 'no'.


All of that said, we ALSO need to come down really hard (again, no pun intended) on those who clearly, falsely accuse another of rape. Said accusation is almost akin to the 'Scarlet letter'. Think of the Duke Lacrosse team's allegations.....

Oorah,

If Nanc Coulter isn't saying this was deserved then she(it) really needs to work on her(it's) english language skills. Because by both word and inference she stated that this woman deserved to be raped and murdered. She's probably feel right at home with a colonic cattle prod.

btw I dont think that her rape and murder had ANYTHING to do with her politics, except that it put her on the road.

Oorah,


If I walk though Harlem at night with a shirt saying, "I hate niggers" do you think I deserve a beat down?


That is a flawed analogy.


I see no comparison between wearing a short skirt and wearing a racially-provocative billboard.

You'll have to clarify your position because, as it stands right now, it's off the reservation IMO.

Not disagreeing with you, JEFF. Just clarifying my position.

Posted by OohRah


Your position is confusing to me - please clarify.

"If I walk though Harlem at night with a shirt saying, "I hate niggers" do you think I deserve a beat down?
I think I do."

I would have to disagree with that. I don't think anyone "deserves" to be a victim of extreme violence unless they have perpetrated some themselves. There's a difference between saying that something is inevitable and saying that it was deserved. Getting beaten or killed for wearing a shirt may be inevitable, and wearing the shirt might be extremely stupid, but that doesn't make the animalistic and horrible end result "deserved."

I figure this has more to do with the actions of a criminal than anything religously motivated

You haven't been following the logic behind all the HONOR KILLINGS of Oslamic women in the West, have you?

According to the perps... their daughters DESERVE to be raped and killed... in fact, it's the DUTY/ obligation of a father to make sure that his slut-daughter gets what's coming to her....

Yes, in the West these actions are criminal. But in the Middle East, this is THE RULE (no crime).

If the girl was unaccompanied and not wearing proper attire... she's a PROSTITUTE who DESERVES whatever fate befalls her. And if your a Muslim man, it's your DUTY to make sure that it does!

"If the girl was unaccompanied and not wearing proper attire... she's a PROSTITUTE who DESERVES whatever fate befalls her. And if your a Muslim man, it's your DUTY to make sure that it does!

Posted by Farmer_John at 2008-04-14 02:47 PM"

In Turkey? Are you talking out of your puckered starfish again?

Oohrah,


there there is a world of difference between simply dressing like a ho and wearing the racially-provocative billboard.


I'll go with this.


The remainder of your clarification has left me a bit confused. However, I drag my knuckles on the ground when I walk, so said confusion is understandable. ;-)

"So I walk up to you on the street and say vile stuff to you... and you sock me in the nose... that I didn't deserve it?"

My position is that you would deserve to have vile things said right back to you. Since when do people deserve more harm than that which they have committed themselves? Reacting with violence is disproportionate to the harm caused.

That's not to say that violence is not inevitable - you would probably get beat for doing all of the things you've described. That doesn't mean that the beating is deserved, it only means that it is foreseeable.

It's idiots like YOU who do not know the difference between Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and Turkey. The Middle East is not one big country, idiot.

In Turkey? Are you talking out of your puckered starfish again?

Outside of government buildings, women had better be properly attired. Even the new President (Gul)doesn't allow his wife to attend functions that require her to "remove" her hijab. She no longer attends state dinners... and neither do the "other" wives.

Things are changing in Turkey... and NOT for the better.

Rape is often used only as a means of asserting power and control and not just because the guy wants sex. As for provocative dress as the sole reason a woman was raped, that's not true. Rapists attack for their own sick reasons and it often makes no difference on who the woman is or how she's dressed. How often have you read where an intruder breaks into a home and ends up raping some 85 year old woman sleeping in her bed.

As for this article, Turkey (and similar third world countries) is one of the last places in the world a woman should hitchhike alone. Being in a Muslim country (and knowing their attitudes toward women) any lone woman who hitchhiked rides with strange men only made herself even more of a target for rape and murder.

"I also guess we'd have to define "extreme violence" because I'm talking about a fist fight and not a murder."

Well you keep changing what you're talking about. I think a "beat down" (your original wording) could be considered "extreme violence." I picture a beat down being several people surrounding one person and kicking the crap out of him.

Even if all you do mean is a one on one "fist fight," my only point is that nobody "deserves" to be punched or kicked for wearing a shirt or making a verbal statement. Wearing a shirt like the one you described, again, is stupid, because the result is obvious, but just because something will obviously happen to you does not mean that you deserve it.

It's idiots like YOU who do not know the difference between Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and Turkey. The Middle East is not one big country, idiot.


Pointing out the difference in the treatement of women within the aforementioned countries is reasoable, and appreciated. Nevertheless, ALSO pointing out the similarities of the treatment of women within said countries in comparison with the treatment of women Western society is ALSO fair.


You can't have it both ways.

Beating a woman for not wearing a burka is brutal.

Slapping a woman for not wearing a hajiq is less brutal, but is oppressive nonetheless.

so i take it y'all missed me this weekend?

so i take it y'all missed me this weekend?

Posted by nanc at 2008-04-14 03:04 PM | Reply | Flag


Why, were you the guest slut at the Chicken Ranch?

Oorah,

You're trying to posit rationality and reasonability in a thread where the author says that rape and murder is deserved outcome for a person that wanted and espoused peace in the Middle East. You have to know where that's leading right?

It's idiots like YOU who do not know the difference between Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and Turkey. The Middle East is not one big country, idiot.

As the Islamic extremists would say, "Yet!"

when in rome, reagan58.

The woman was killed as an example. Kill 1, terrorize 1,000. That's why it's the DUTY of every self-respecting Muslim to enforce the code. Especially against those Western wh*res!

They don't call it terrorism for NO reason.

Oohrah, I don't think any reasonable person reacts to words in a violent way. Violence as a reaction to words is purely instinctual and is not reasoned out in any way. Just my opinion.

Joe - come on. If some guy came up to you and said your girlfriend is a slut and a whore and she makes a funny slurping sound when she sucks cock, you wouldn't fuck the guy up?

What are you, Joe Ghandi?

it is never a good time to be a "peacenik" in the middle east.

Montecore-

I probably would punch the guy in the face. That wouldn't mean he deserved it, or that my response was a reasonable one. It would be a response based on instincts only. I think that in the end when I'm in jail for battery with no career ahead of me, with time to think about what I did, I'd regret it.

joe - at least you'll know what party he belongs to!

you seem to be celebrating her death nanc, that is awfully disturbing.

don't project your sick ideals on me, truthhurts - i'm feeling badly for her parents.

don't project your sick ideals on me, truthhurts - i'm feeling badly for her parents.

Posted by nanc at 2008-04-14 04:11 PM | Reply | Flag


It's way the fuck too late for that particular pretense. You're pleased as punch that some hippie, liberal is raped and murdered.

I still maintain that Nanc Coulter need's a colonic cattle prod treatment.

you dont feel badly for the parents cause you think their daughter deserved what happened to her.

You're pleased as punch that some hippie, liberal is raped and murdered.
Posted by Reagan58 at 2008-04-14 04:16 PM

I still maintain that Nanc Coulter need's a colonic cattle prod treatment.
Posted by Reagan58 at 2008-04-14 04:17 PM


Hypocrite of the year award.

reagan - you sure seem obsessed with pitchin'...are you a sphincter spelunker? you're DEFINITELY a dhimmiwittedcrat!

i feel sorry for ANY parents who lose a child. but then she may have been lost before this?

Ladies and gnetlemen, I'd like to thank the Academy.

Naww, not my thing Nanc. You just seem to be an outstanding candidate for "enhanced interrogation techniques".

you're DEFINITELY a dhimmiwittedcrat!

Posted by nanc at 2008-04-14 04:22 PM | Reply | Flag


I am most definitely a Democrat. Which of the Tighty Righty talking heads came up with this dhimmi projection? It really makes you all seem much dimmer mentally than one might otherwise expect.

yeah - the anti-waterboarding captain has spoken.

hypocrite.

When in Rome.

indeed.

"but then she may have been lost before this?"

I think that just about sums up the way nanc thinks about people. Anyone that does not fit into the little box she thinks they belong in is "lost". Possibly code for subhuman?
Nanc I hope for your sake you are full of shit. With heart as black as yours appears to be..... well when you meet your maker......

well said sal

Salary,

When Nanc Coulter faces Dog she's gonna have a big surprise. Cuz the Mystery Sky Dude is gonna be pissed at faux prophets.

nanc,

Don't ya love how salaryman and thruthhurts think they know their opposition's heart? It's just a shame that they're unable to concentrate on the argument being made instead of always focusing on their perception of the arguers intent.

I don't suppose they've ever been on a debate team and been assigned the argument? Nah, how could anyone logically impugn their opposition's motives under those circumstances?

This woman's rape & death was predictable to a 99% certainty. But being a Leftist, this stupid hippie-chick thought she'd be okay, since much like salaryman and truthhurts, she thought her ideology made her clairvoyant and a "diviner" of "other peoples" motives and intentions... and that they would be the same as her own.

In other words, like salaryman and truthhurts, she hadn't a clue.

I guess I don't get it. I don't get what a wedding dress has to do with peace, or what hitchhiking in a wedding dress for peace has to do with art. I don't get why ANY mother would EVER say, "we hoped she had been kidnapped by the Kurdish.", OR "she hitchhikes a lot, so she knows how to avoid risky situations." I've also never heard, seen, or read the following: "He also commended the Turkish police on a job well done."

Everything about this story is weird.

Looks like Reagan58 thinks more like Reagan2008. In other words, he's brain dead, too!

Reagan2008 is a better human being, though. Improved model.

This should clue you gentlemen into official Turkish policy regarding Western Women trying to promote common cause w/Israel...

The suspect, identified only by his initials M.K., Had previously been convicted of theft, Anatolia reported. He was being questioned in police custody and no charges had been filed.

According to reports, M.K confessed to having picked up Pasqualino in his car, after which he drove into the forest, where he raped her and strangled her to death. Afterwards he attempted to bury the body.

In other words... a man confesses to rape & murder, but still... no charges have been filed.

Sounds like the police might think that the rape & murder might have been somehow "justified". Think?

Reagan2008 is a better human being, though. Improved model.

I agree. And I'm sure the same will be said in your case when your time comes too,

...but you only got about 5 comments Zat. You must really bore people!

"Sounds like the police might think that the rape & murder might have been somehow "justified". Think?

Posted by Farmer_John at 2008-04-14 05:24 PM"

Don't be a fucking idiot. That happens all the time here too. These things don't happen in five minutes.

but then CalifChris summed it up rather nicely on Zat's thread...

She had said she wanted to show that she could put her trust in the kindness of local people

Guess that was her first mistake -- and her last.

Zat,

You must have trained with the Mahdi Army in Sadr City!

Maybe truthurts and salaryman should go there too and trust in their common Scarlet O'Hara ideology to see them through.

These things don't happen in five minutes.

Yeah, I know that whenever the police in this country get a murder confession, they like to wait at least a coupla weeks before bringing ANY charges...

I'm sure that if the guy had accidentally run over the local mullah's dog, he would have been charged, tried, whipped and released by now, but why worry about some Jew-loving crazy western wh*re?

You're sure, huh? Well then you would surely be wrong.

News update...

A group of people from Turkish non-government organizations bearing pictures of murdered Italian artist, Bacca, gathered outside the funeral home preparing her funeral and condemned the violence and promised to continue her struggle for peace.

"I hope next time I will come to Turkey for a nice holiday, not for such a tragic incident," di Marineo's sister Antonia Giuseppina Pasgualino di Marineo, who also attended the gathering, said. She also thanked Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan and all the Turkish people.

Returning to her home in Italy, Bacca's remains were fare-welled by a cheering crowd from Istanbul's Ataturk Airport. Bacca's funeral will be held on Saturday in her hometown Milan, her sister told reporters.

Turkey's Ministry of Foreign Affairs offered on Monday condolences to family of Italian artist Pippa Bacca. Her death has caused indignation among the Turkish people and an investigation is under way, the statement read.

"Turkish police have arrested the suspect who confessed that he committed this inhuman crime. We offer our condolences to Pasqualino's family," the Ministry statement read.

Italian artist Giuseppina Pasqualino, also known as "Pippa Bacca" in her home country, departed from the Italian city of Milan together with Silvia Moro, an artist friend, on March 8. The two artists were hitchhiking to the Israeli city of Tel Aviv by to send a "peace message" to the world.

Pasqualino and Moro separated from each other in Istanbul on March 19. Since March 31, no contact could be established with Pasqualino. The 33-year-old artist was found dead in a forest near the town of Gebze in the northwestern province of Kocaeli on April 12. The 38-year-old suspect in the murder, Murat Karatas, was arrested.

For a murder suspect, Farmer? Don't compare apples and oranges.

""we hoped she had been kidnapped by the Kurdish.", OR "she hitchhikes a lot, so she knows how to avoid risky situations." I've also never heard, seen, or read the following: "He also commended the Turkish police on a job well done."

Everything about this story is weird.

Posted by rightisright at 2008-04-14 05:19 PM"

Lemme translate for you.

They hoped for kidnapping because it would be better than the other likely explanation for her disappearance, i.e., that she was dead.

She hitch hikes a lot, and has survived it, so that implies that she is good at sniffing out trouble even when in dangerous situations.

And the police were complimented because they figured out how to track down and arrest the suspect in their daughter's murder.

For a murder suspect, Farmer? Don't compare apples and oranges

True enough. The average detention period for a TERROR suspect that I sourced above was a mere 12 hours. I'm sure they process for charging simple murderers should be much quicker.

After all, how long does it really take to hook up a coupla electrodes to someone's genitals?

I mean, they Got the confession. It's merely the charges they need to work out, now....

...and if I'm reading my Koran correctly, raping and offing a western slut is a rewardable offense... especially the farther you get from East-and-Bull

zat - sorry i reposted - SOMEBODY? please put zat's name on this post!

there was a good portion of the weekend when i could not get on this site and i must've missed it.

farmer, that PLUS they've never seen me. they don't know just how ugly i am!

Nanc,

Don't sweat it.

Happens all the time.

Alanis Morisette could add this story as another stanza of lyrics in "Isn't it Ironic".

zat - you just needed a different approach and a little more hatred aimed at you from the moonbats.

ahoooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
ooo!

"ahooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooo!"


I saw a werewolf having a pina colada at Trader Vic's.
His hair was perfect.

they don't know just how ugly i am!

That's not what I've heard. I heard your nickname was Sophia. And if you're anything like the one I'm thinking of...

Sophia ...

farmer wins!

I see, I see said the blind man. ;-)

Peace Walker murdered?

Guess she shoulda taken the Peace Train instead.

Her end was as sad as it was inevitable.

Be Well.

farmer - yul get even with me for that!

blame the victim, well I suppose it was Jesus' fault for getting crucified.
Well that was the whole "lamb of God" thing.
Yeah, he needed to die to fulfill his purpose.
And by being God, the whole causality chain ends with him, so ... yeah, it was his fault. If by "fault" you mean intended miracle.

"I'm sure that if the guy had accidentally run over the local mullah's dog, he would have been charged, tried, whipped and released by now, but why worry about some Jew-loving crazy western wh*re?

Posted by Farmer_John at 2008-04-14 05:42 PM"

Nice. Maybe there's still time for you to forward your thoughts to her family at the memorial in Milan, since it sounds like you don't have the courage to say it to their faces.

"nanc,

Don't ya love how salaryman and thruthhurts think they know their opposition's heart? It's just a shame that they're unable to concentrate on the argument being made instead of always focusing on their perception of the arguers intent."

Then, in the SAME post:

"This woman's rape & death was predictable to a 99% certainty. But being a Leftist, this stupid hippie-chick thought she'd be okay, since much like salaryman and truthhurts, she thought her ideology made her clairvoyant and a "diviner" of "other peoples" motives and intentions... and that they would be the same as her own.

In other words, like salaryman and truthhurts, she hadn't a clue.

Posted by Farmer_John at 2008-04-14 05:18 PM"

You just can't make this stuff up :-)!

I'm sure if she had been wandering around telling folks "the good news," the likes of TruthHurts would be here to say the same dumb-ass things Nanc is saying, "she deserved it."

hahahahahah live

you are mistaken, seriously mistaken about my religous beliefs.

I will lay that off to your ignorance about me.

needless to say I would NEVER say she deserved what happened.

She was an idealist in a sadly cynical world.

she paid the price.

the likes of NANC are fauxtians who think women deserve death and rape for making stupid decisions.

of course she cant understand that this is what her Jesus is supposedly all about. I dont believe in jesus, she purports to, which makes her a hypocrit.

"you are mistaken, seriously mistaken about my religous beliefs.

I will lay that off to your ignorance about me."
--TRUTHHURTS

Fine (you're right), but a common thread has been that evangelicals who go to the dangerous parts of the world and get hurt had it coming.

It's a stupid thing to say, just as stupid as Nanc's remarks.

And in the spirit of not deflecting any more attention away from Nanc's mentally stunted comments:

Nanc, you're fucking retarded.

correct we should keep the focus on where it belongs and the fact that Nanc cannot even see how stupid she is.

You just can't make this stuff up :-)!

Sure you can tb, but it's not surprising that YOU missed the point. But being a Lefty, I can see why you did. Try taking the patch off your right eye once in a while. Stereo vision beats mono every day of the week! Especially when the answer requires something more than a superficial analysis or understanding.

She had said she wanted to show that she could put her trust in the kindness of local people.

It doesn't come any more left-monovision than that!

The noble savage theory of leftism...

even dethspud got it...

Her end was as sad as it was inevitable.

by all means mock the idealist.

but dont bother calling yourself a christian, cause jesus was an idealist who died for an ideal.

but please mock someone who died for peace, it demonstrates the true nature of the right.

In hindsight, the White Wedding dress was probably a poor choice. Some guys can't resist a challenge...

On one thread we have Nanc Coulter espousing how this young woman deserves to have been raped and murdered

On another thread we have Oorah positing that what we really need in this country is The Ebenezer Solution by returning to the good ol' days of Poor Houses(and I'm guessing by extension Debtors Prison).

Seems that those of the Right, especially the Christian Right are smelling the fear of desperation now that the Bush Era is coming to a close.

Mornin' 101.

"... Jew-loving crazy western wh*re?
Posted by Farmer_John at 2008-04-14 05:42 PM"

"... But being a Leftist, this stupid hippie-chick thought she'd be okay, since much like salaryman and truthhurts, she thought her ideology made her clairvoyant and a "diviner" of "other peoples" motives and intentions... and that they would be the same as her own.

In other words, like salaryman and truthhurts, she hadn't a clue.
Posted by Farmer_John at 2008-04-14 05:18 PM"

"... Sure you can tb, but it's not surprising that YOU missed the point. But being a Lefty, I can see why you did. Try taking the patch off your right eye once in a while. Stereo vision beats mono every day of the week! Especially when the answer requires something more than a superficial analysis or understanding. ...
Posted by Farmer_John at 2008-04-15 11:11 AM"

Well, EXCUUUUSE me FJ for pointing out a "superficial analysis". I'll take your vision suggestions under advisement. Given your abilities to discern so much without the encumberances of facts, your method deserves all due respect.

From what was stated (to one with both eyes open), it seems an idealistic individual met a (probably predictably) tragic end. I don't think many have the courage to follow their convictions so completely. REASONABLE people could debate the wisdom of her actions without attacking her personally, but (I hope) few would denigrate her goal. To her credit/legacy, events may now play out to accomplish more towards her goal than if her travels had been uneventful.

Meanwhile, it seems I struck a nerve, but that probably was an easy given the amount of nerve you seem to have ;-)!

Stupid ass! The gene pool just improved a bit. Of course, Italians don't really reproduce anyway. When do they go on the endangered list?

truthhurts & reagan58 - your language skills show no lack of ignorance. pity really - but i got used to that type of blatant abuse as a child growing up with an ultra leftwing mother. nothing surprises me that comes out of a moonbats mouth. nothing.

your ploy is to beat down your opponent with foul words, but you just end up making yourself look like idiots.

i imagine you speak to your spouses and children that way - it's a vicious circle.

that and you're both probably very short men with banty rooster attitudes. you probably get clocked on a regular basis and have extremely poor health issues.

you'll always be confounded by the truth.

pearls before swine.

this will be my last comment on this post.

whatever, but you are the one who said a rape and murder victim deserved what she got and you have yet to repent that.

if you have a conscience you should examine it

btw 6'3"

and you have let out some of the psychology behind your opinions, i dont have time to examine it right now.

what 6'3' and 160 LBS? and a doper, I bet.

why would you think I am a doper, perchance?

fwiw dont smoke and drink very very rarely

and 6'3 250

Oh, sorry, Man best wishes

i don't feel sorry for people choose to be stupid, truthhurts - if it's self inflicted, whatever comes is deserved. i cannot stop or help it.

take a hike why don't you? got a wedding dress handy?

Posted by nanc at 2008-04-14 11:52 AM |


ignorance, language skills, you jest

here is YOUR offending post.

here is where YOU say a rape victim DESERVED what she got.

now either you sincerely believe that or you demonstrate poor language skills. now since you have neer retracted your statement one can only feel you believe this to be true.

I find this sick. You cant handle that. You cant handle someone calling you on your offensive statement. whine all you want about how we are beating you down.

then you attempt some half assed pop psychology, sad really.

I am not your mother.


idiot hardly, harsh maybe, but think how you look saying a rape and murder victom got what she deserved. that is atrocious.

and btw you have shown no truth, just ignorance and a hypocritical and offensive opinion.

and the kicker is your reference to pearls before swine something from jesus' sermon on the mount, you know the beatitudes,

Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called children of God.



you really cant be serious, can you?

Truthhurts,

The people who actually make the peace are always armed.

It's the dumbasses who take for granted that peace comes from a great person that do stupid-ass things like walk on peace missions to dangerous places, expecting violent people to respond to the strength of their stupid personalities.

Peace is never made by peacenicks. It's just enjoyed by them, unless they're too dim to even do that.

i keep thinking that a good christian would wonder where jesus kept his WMD.

It finally comes out...toothhurts shows his true side. You see TH, Jesus was a messenger of peace and love. His weapons were the opposite of WMD. I think your fat ass owes us an apology.

huh what? Sorry I have no idea what you are talking about.

first there was no jesus.

second I am only pointing out the hypocrisy of some "christians"

for what do I owe an apology?

Think my friend.....If you don't believe in Christ, that's your right. I only ask you respect the beliefs of others who may be insulted by your blashamy. That's all.

respect the beliefs of others who may be insulted by your blashamy. That's all.



insulted by my blasphemy? that is bizarro.

I point out that christians who think women deserve being raped and murdered are hypocritical

I personally believe that most christians dont understand the basic premise of what they believ.