"Health insurance companies are rapidly adopting a new pricing system for very expensive drugs, asking patients to pay hundreds and even thousands of dollars for prescriptions for medications that may save their lives or slow the progress of serious diseases."

YEAH!


"Insurance" Bush World Style!

You pay a premium to guard against the unforeseen -------- and as soon as the unforeseen makes its appearance, the "insurance" you've been paying for won't cover it!

And to think these are the same people who sit on a collective panel (i.e. socialized) and make decisions as to what is and what isn't a valid expense for you and your Group (i.e. socialized) while whining and warning about the dangers of "Socialized" medicine if it were to be bargained for by a DIFFERENT group!

I don't know how you Bush Wingdings keep from tying yourselves up in knots with this convoluted bullshit!

The other option is rasing the price of insurance for all.

"Insurance" Bush World Style!

Read the article twice to make sure I didn't miss it. Still, no reference to Bush.

Asshole.

Red,don't you know he is to blame for everything in the entire world?

He was responsible for WWII, global warming, Johnson's war on poverth, the viet nam war, etc. I don't have the time or space to list them all.

"Still, no reference to Bush."


No but it is people like Bush that stand in the way of a complete collapse, oops i mean socialization of our health care(well same thing i guess.)

"He was responsible for WWII, global warming, Johnson's war on poverth, the viet nam war, etc. I don't have the time or space to list them all."



hell, he convinced eve to make adam eat the apple.

Sniper are you a christian???

He was responsible for WWII, global warming, Johnson's war on poverth, the viet nam war, etc. I don't have the time or space to list them all.

Posted by Sniper

But still room to make shit up about Clinton, right? Like he killed 7000 black troops, just to watch them die?
btw-Bush is about to introduce a climate change agenda. We can't blame him for VN, either, cause he sure as hell made sure he was nowhere near it. But he did do his part to finance ghetto entrepeneurs. He paid through the nose, actually. As for WW2, that was his grandaddy banking for the Nazis. I know all Bushes look alike...

"He was responsible for WWII, global warming, Johnson's war on poverth, the viet nam war, etc"

YEAH!

Don't forget he is personally "Keeping you Safe" from the Invisible Islamofacists!

But then again, if he was "Solely Responsible for the Largest Increase in Home Ownership in American History" before he "Wasn't Responsible for the Largest Mortgage Meltdown in American History" ----- Anything can Happen I guess!

"He (Bush) was responsible for WWII, global warming, Johnson's war on poverth, the viet nam war, etc."

Bush also killed Beta, the Fizzy, the Radio Star, and is no doubt responsible for the demise of HD-DVD.

Bastard!

The other option is rasing the price of insurance for all.

Posted by Sniper at 2008-04-14 03:09 PM | Reply |

The most inelligent post you've made yet.

That's odd. I know of a nationwide chain that sells all of the following prescriptions for a measly $4 apiece. Of course, liberals hate that chain, so they will presumably pay more for their prescriptions somewhere else and then bitch about the high cost of healthcare.

A
ACYCLOVIR 200MG QTY 30
ALBUTEROL .083% NEB SOLUTION QTY 75* (25 VIALS)
ALBUTEROL 0.5% NEB SOLUTION QTY 20ML
ALBUTEROL 2MG QTY 90
ALBUTEROL 4MG QTY 60
ALBUTEROL SYRUP QTY 120ML
ALLOPURINOL 100MG QTY 30
ALLOPURINOL 300MG QTY 30
AMILORIDE/HCTZ 5/50 QTY 30
AMITRIPTYLINE 100MG QTY 30
AMITRIPTYLINE 10MG QTY 30
AMITRIPTYLINE 25MG QTY 30
AMITRIPTYLINE 50MG QTY 30
AMITRIPTYLINE 75MG QTY 30
AMOXICILLIN 125/5ML QTY 80ML
AMOXICILLIN 125/5ML QTY 100ML
AMOXICILLIN 125/5ML QTY 150ML
AMOXICILLIN 200/5ML QTY 50 ML
AMOXICILLIN 200/5ML QTY 75ML*
AMOXICILLIN 200/5ML QTY 100ML*
AMOXICILLIN 250/5ML QTY 80ML
AMOXICILLIN 250/5ML QTY 100ML
AMOXICILLIN 250/5ML QTY 150ML
AMOXICILLIN 250MG QTY 30
AMOXICILLIN 400/5ML QTY 50ML
AMOXICILLIN 400/5ML QTY 75ML*
AMOXICILLIN 400/5ML QTY 100ML*
AMOXICILLIN 500MG QTY 30
AMOXIL 50MG/ML DROPS QTY 30ML*
ANTIPYRINE/BENZOCAINE OTIC QTY 10ML
ATENOLOL 100MG QTY 30
ATENOLOL 25MG QTY 30
ATENOLOL 50MG QTY 30
ATENOLOL/CHLORTHALIDONE 100/25 QTY 30
ATENOLOL/CHLORTHALIDONE 50/25 QTY 30
ATROPINE SULF 1% OP SOL QTY 5ML
B
BACITRACIN OP OINT QTY 4GM
BACLOFEN 10MG QTY 30
BELLADONNA ALKALOID/PB QTY 60
BENAZEPRIL 10MG QTY 30
BENAZEPRIL 20MG QTY 30
BENAZEPRIL 40MG QTY 30
BENAZEPRIL 5MG QTY 30
BENZONATATE 100MG QTY 14
BENZOYL PEROX 4% CRMY WASH QTY 171ML*
BENZTROPINE 2MG QTY 30
BETAMETHASONE DIP 0.05% CR QTY 15GM
BETAMETHASONE DIP 0.05% CR QTY 45GM
BETAMETHASONE VAL 0.1% CR QTY 15GM
BETAMETHASONE VAL 0.1% CR QTY 45GM
BETAMETHASONE VAL 0.1% OINT QTY 15GM
BETAMETHASONE VAL 0.1% OINT QTY 45GM
BISOPROLOL/HCTZ 10/6.25 QTY 30
BISOPROLOL/HCTZ 2.5/6.25 QTY 30
BISOPROLOL/HCTZ 5/6.25 QTY 30
BUMETANIDE 0.5MG QTY 30
BUMETANIDE 1MG QTY 30
BUSPIRONE 10MG QTY 60*
BUSPIRONE 5MG QTY 60
C
CAPTOPRIL 100MG QTY 60
CAPTOPRIL 12.5MG QTY 60
CAPTOPRIL 25MG QTY 60
CAPTOPRIL 50MG QTY 60
CARBAMAZEPINE 200MG QTY 60*
CARVEDILOL 12.5MG QTY 60
CARVEDILOL 25MG QTY 60*
CARVEDILOL 3.125MG QTY 60
CARVEDILOL 6.25MG QTY 60
CEPHALEXIN 250MG QTY 28
CEPHALEXIN 500MG QTY 30
CERON DM SYRUP QTY 120ML
CERON DROPS QTY 30ML*
CHLORHEXIDINE GLU 0.12% SOL QTY 473ML
CHLORPROPAMIDE 100MG QTY 30*
CHLORTHALIDONE 25MG QTY 30
CHLORTHALIDONE 50MG QTY 30
CIMETIDINE 800MG QTY 30*
CIPROFLOXACIN 250MG QTY 14
CIPROFLOXACIN 500MG QTY 20
CITALOPRAM 20MG QTY 30
CITALOPRAM 40MG QTY 30
CLOMIPHENE 50MG QTY 5**
CLONIDINE 0.1MG QTY 30
CLONIDINE 0.2MG QTY 30
COLCHICINE 0.6MG QTY30
CYCLOBENZAPRINE 10MG QTY 30
CYCLOBENZAPRINE 5MG QTY 30
CYTRA2 SOLUTION QTY 180ML

D
DEC-CHLORPHEN DM SYRUP QTY 118ML*
DEC-CHLORPHEN DROPS QTY 30ML*
DEXAMETHASONE 0.5MG QTY 30
DEXAMETHASONE 0.75MG QTY 12
DEXAMETHASONE 4MG QTY 6
DICLOFENAC 75MG DR QTY 60
DICYCLOMINE 10MG QTY 90
DICYCLOMINE 20MG QTY 60
DIGITEK 0.125MG QTY 30
DIGITEK 0.25MG QTY 30
DILTIAZEM 120MG QTY 30
DILTIAZEM 30MG QTY 60
DILTIAZEM 60MG QTY 60
DILTIAZEM 90MG QTY 60*
DOXAZOSIN 1MG QTY 30
DOXAZOSIN 2MG QTY 30
DOXAZOSIN 4MG QTY 30
DOXAZOSIN 8MG QTY 30
DOXEPIN HCL 100MG QTY 30
DOXEPIN HCL 10MG QTY 30
DOXEPIN HCL 25MG QTY 30
DOXEPIN HCL 50MG QTY 30
DOXEPIN HCL 75MG QTY 30
DOXYCYCLINE 100MG QTY 20
DOXYCYCLINE 50MG QTY 30
E
ENALAPRIL 10MG QTY 30
ENALAPRIL 2.5MG QTY 30
ENALAPRIL 20MG QTY 30
ENALAPRIL 5MG QTY 30
ENALAPRIL/HCTZ 5/12.5 QTY 30
ERYTHROCIN 250MG QTY 40*
ERYTHROMYCIN 2% SOL QTY 60ML
ERYTHROMYCIN 250MG EC QTY 28*
ERYTHROMYCIN OP OINT QTY 4GM
ESTRADIOL 0.5MG QTY 30
ESTRADIOL 1MG QTY 30
ESTRADIOL 2MG QTY 30
ESTROPIPATE 0.75MG QTY 30
ESTROPIPATE 1.5MG QTY 30*
ETHEDENT 0.25MG CHEW QTY 120*
F
FAMOTIDINE 20MG QTY 60
FLUCONAZOLE 150MG QTY 1
FLUOCINOLONE ACET 0.01% SOL QTY 60ML
FLUOCINONIDE 0.05% CR QTY 15GM
FLUOCINONIDE 0.05% CR QTY 30GM
FLUOXETINE 10MG QTY 30
FLUOXETINE 10MG TABLET QTY 30*
FLUOXETINE 20MG QTY 30
FLUOXETINE 40MG QTY 30
FLUPHENAZINE 1MG QTY 30
FOLIC ACID 1MG QTY 30
FUROSEMIDE 20MG QTY 30
FUROSEMIDE 40MG QTY 30
FUROSEMIDE 80MG QTY 30
G
GENTAMICIN 0.1% CR QTY 15GM
GENTAMICIN 0.1% OINT QTY 15GM
GENTAMICIN 0.3% OP SOL QTY 5ML
GLIMEPIRIDE 1MG QTY 30
GLIMEPIRIDE 2MG QTY 30
GLIMEPIRIDE 4MG QTY 30
GLIPIZIDE 10MG QTY60*
GLIPIZIDE 5MG QTY 30
GLYBURIDE 2.5MG QTY 30
GLYBURIDE 5MG QTY 30
GLYBURIDE MICRO 3MG QTY 30
GLYBURIDE MICRO 6MG QTY 30
GUANFACINE 1MG QTY 30
H
HALOPERIDOL 0.5MG QTY 30
HALOPERIDOL 1MG QTY 30
HALOPERIDOL 2MG QTY 30
HALOPERIDOL 5MG QTY 30
HCTZ 12.5MG QTY 30*
HCTZ 25MG QTY 30
HCTZ 50MG QTY 30
HYDRALAZINE 10MG QTY 30
HYDRALAZINE 25MG QTY 30
HYDROCORTISONE 1% CR QTY 30GM
HYDROCORTISONE 2.5% CR QTY 30GM
HYDROCORTISONE AC 25MG SUPP QTY 12
HYDROXYZINE HCL10MG/5ML QTY 120ML
HYOSCYAMINE 0.125MG QTY 60
HYOSCYAMINE 0.125MG S/L QTY 30
HYOSCYAMINE 0.375 ER QTY 30
HYOSCYAMINE DROPS QTY 15ML*
I
IBUPROFEN 100/5ML QTY 120ML*
IBUPROFEN 400MG QTY 90
IBUPROFEN 600MG QTY 60
IBUPROFEN 800MG QTY 30

INDAPAMIDE 1.25MG QTY 30
INDAPAMIDE 2.5MG QTY 30
INDOMETHACIN 25MG QTY 60*
IPRATROPIUM NEB SOLUTION QTY 75* (25 VIALS)
ISONIAZID 300MG QTY 30
ISOSORBIDE MONO 30MG ER QTY 30
ISOSORBIDE MONO 60MG ER QTY 30
K
KLORCON 10 10MEQ ER QTY 30
KLORCON 8 8MEQ ER QTY 30
KLORCON M10 QTY 30
L
LACTULOSE SYRUP QTY 237ML
LEVOBUNOLOL 0.5% OP SOL QTY 5ML
LEVOTHYROXINE 100MCG QTY 30
LEVOTHYROXINE 112MCG QTY 30
LEVOTHYROXINE 125MCG QTY 30
LEVOTHYROXINE 137MCG QTY 30
LEVOTHYROXINE 150MCG QTY 30
LEVOTHYROXINE 175MCG QTY 30*
LEVOTHYROXINE 200MCG QTY 30*
LEVOTHYROXINE 25MCG QTY 30
LEVOTHYROXINE 50MCG QTY 30
LEVOTHYROXINE 75MCG QTY 30
LEVOTHYROXINE 88MCG QTY 30
LIDOCAINE 2% VISCOUS SOL QTY 100ML
LISINOPRIL 10MG QTY 30
LISINOPRIL 2.5MG QTY 30
LISINOPRIL 20MG QTY 30
LISINOPRIL 5MG QTY 30
LISINOPRIL/HCTZ 10/12.5 QTY 30
LISINOPRIL/HCTZ 20/12.5 QTY 30*
LISINOPRIL/HCTZ 20/25MG QTY 30*
LITHIUM CARBONATE 300MG QTY 90*
LORATADINE 10MG QTY 30
LOVASTATIN 10MG QTY 30
LOVASTATIN 20MG QTY 30*
M
MAG OXIDE 400MG QTY 30
MAG64 64MG QTY 60*
MEDROXYPROGESTERONE AC 10MG QTY 10
MEDROXYPROGESTERONE AC 2.5MG QTY 30
MEDROXYPROGESTERONE AC 5MG QTY 30
MEGESTROL 20MG QTY 30*
MELOXICAM 15MG QTY 30
MELOXICAM 7.5 MG QTY 30
METFORMIN 1000MG QTY 60*
METFORMIN 500MG QTY 60
METFORMIN 500MG ER QTY 60*
METFORMIN 850MG QTY 60
METHYLDOPA 250MG QTY 60*
METHYLDOPA 500MG QTY 30*
METHYLPRED 4MG QTY 21
METHYLPRED 4MG DOSE PAK QTY 21
METOCLOPRAMIDE 10MG QTY 60
METOCLOPRAMIDE SYRUP QTY 60ML
METOPROLOL TARTRATE 100MG QTY 60*
METOPROLOL TARTRATE 25MG QTY 60
METOPROLOL TARTRATE 50MG QTY 60
METRONIDAZOLE 250MG QTY 28
METRONIDAZOLE 500MG QTY 14
MULTI VIT FL 0.5MG CHEWABLE QTY 30
MULTI VIT FL 1MG CHEWABLE QTY 30
MULTI VITA FL .5 W/FE CHEWABLE QTY 30
MULTI VITA FL 0.25MG CHEWABLE QTY 30
N
NADOLOL 20MG QTY 30
NADOLOL 40MG QTY 30
NAPROXEN 375MG QTY 60*
NAPROXEN 500MG QTY 60*
NATALCARE PIC QTY 30*
NATALCARE PLUS QTY 30*
NEOM/POLYMYX/DEXAMETH 0.1% OP OINT QTY 4GM
NEOM/POLYMYX/DEXAMETH 0.1% OP SUSP QTY 5ML
NITROGLYCERIN 0.3MG S/L QTY 100*
NITROGLYCERIN 0.4MG S/L QTY100*
NORTRIPTYLINE 10MG QTY 30
NORTRIPTYLINE 25MG QTY 30
NYSTATIN CR QTY 15GM
NYSTATIN CR QTY 30GM
NYSTATIN OINT QTY 15GM
NYSTATIN OINT QTY 30GM
NYSTATIN/TRIAMCIN CR QTY 15GM
NYSTATIN/TRIAMCIN CR QTY 30GM
NYSTATIN/TRIAMCIN OINT QTY 15GM
O
OXYBUTYNIN 5MG QTY 60
P
PAROXETINE 10MG QTY 30*
PAROXETINE 20MG QTY 30*
PENICILLIN VK 125/5ML QTY 200ML
PENICILLIN VK 250/5ML QTY 100ML
PENICILLIN VK 250MG QTY 28
PHENAZOPYRIDINE 100MG QTY 6

PHENAZOPYRIDINE 200MG QTY 30
PILOCARPINE 1% OP SOL QTY 15ML
PILOCARPINE 2% OP SOL QTY 15ML
PINDOLOL 10MG QTY 30
PINDOLOL 5MG QTY 30
PIROXICAM 20MG QTY 30
POLYMYXIN SULF/TMP SOL QTY 10ML*
POTASSIUM CHLORIDE 10% QTY 473ML
PRAVASTATIN 10MG QTY 30
PRAVASTATIN 20MG QTY 30
PRAVASTATIN 40MG QTY 30*
PRAZOSIN HCL 1MG QTY 30
PRAZOSIN HCL 2MG QTY 30
PRAZOSIN HCL 5MG QTY 30
PREDNISONE 10MG QTY 30
PREDNISONE 10MG DOSE PAK QTY 21
PREDNISONE 10MG DOSE PAK QTY 48*
PREDNISONE 2.5MG QTY 30
PREDNISONE 20MG QTY 30
PREDNISONE 5MG QTY 30
PREDNISONE 5MG DOSE PAK QTY 21
PREDNISONE 5MG DOSE PAK QTY 48*
PRENATAL RX QTY 30*
PROCHLORPERAZINE 10MG QTY 30
PROMETHAZINE 25MG QTY 12
PROMETHAZINE DM SYRUP QTY 120ML
PROMETHAZINE PLAIN SYRUP QTY 180ML*
PROPRANOLOL 10MG QTY 60
PROPRANOLOL 20MG QTY 60
PROPRANOLOL 40MG QTY 60
PROPRANOLOL 80MG QTY 60
R
RANITIDINE 150MG QTY 60
RANITIDINE 300MG QTY 30
S
SALSALATE 500MG QTY 60
SELENIUM SULFIDE 2.5% LOT QTY 120ML*
SMZ/TMP 200/40 SUSP QTY 120ML
SMZ/TMP 400/80MG QTY 28
SMZ/TMP DS 800/160 QTY 20
SOTALOL HCL 80MG QTY 30*
SPIRONOLACTONE 25MG QTY 30*
SPRINTEC 28-DAY QTY 28**
SULFACET SODIUM 10% OP SOL QTY 15ML
T
TERAZOSIN 10MG QTY 30
TERAZOSIN 1MG QTY 30
TERAZOSIN 2MG QTY 30
TERAZOSIN 5MG QTY 30
TERBINAFINE 250MG QTY 30*
TETRACYCLINE 250MG QTY 60
TETRACYCLINE 500MG QTY 60
THIORIDAZINE 25MG QTY 30
THIORIDAZINE 50MG QTY 30
THIOTHIXENE 2MG QTY 30
TIMOLOL MAL 0.25% OP SOL QTY 5ML
TIMOLOL MAL 0.5% OP SOL QTY 5ML
TOBRAMYCIN 0.3% OP SOL QTY 5ML
TRAZODONE 100MG QTY 30
TRAZODONE 150MG QTY 30
TRAZODONE 50MG QTY 30
TRIAMCINOLONE 0.025% CR QTY 15GM
TRIAMCINOLONE 0.025% CR QTY 80GM
TRIAMCINOLONE 0.1% CR QTY 15GM
TRIAMCINOLONE 0.1% CR QTY 80GM
TRIAMCINOLONE 0.1% OINT QTY 15GM
TRIAMCINOLONE 0.1% OINT QTY 80GM
TRIAMCINOLONE 0.5% CR QTY 15GM
TRIAMTERENE/HCTZ 37.5/25 QTY 30
TRIAMTERENE/HCTZ 75/50MG QTY 30
TRIHEXYPHENIDYL 2MG QTY 60
TRI-SPRINTEC 28-DAY QTY 28**
TRIVENT DPC SYRUP QTY120ML*
V
VERAPAMIL 120MG QTY 30
VERAPAMIL 80MG QTY 30
W
WARFARIN 10MG QTY 30
WARFARIN 1MG QTY 30
WARFARIN 2.5MG QTY 30
WARFARIN 2MG QTY 30
WARFARIN 3MG QTY 30
WARFARIN 4MG QTY 30
WARFARIN 5MG QTY 30*
WARFARIN 6MG QTY 30
WARFARIN 7.5MG QTY 30

Look, folks...

It costs money to invent new drugs. Lots of money, because the FDA nukes drug companies if the drugs have undesirable side effects on 3rd-generation inbred trailor trash. So, the choices are:

1. Charge everybody more money to pay for a few people being maybe saved by strange drugs without too much history.

2. Allow the people electing to try to new drugs pay for it.

3. Don't make the new drugs, and let people die when they've contracted some life threat the system hasn't anticipated.

Me, I'd vote for 3, but as I appreciate my life and have tried to make use of it, I understand it will end and that's ok. This was the overall attitude until the damn Baby Boomers had to start watching their parents die, which they decided they didn't want to have to do. So, they've made us all pay to keep their folks alive and are planning to make us pay to keep them alive well past their useful stages.

The country appears to be caught between 1 and 2. I wish we could adopt 3, but I don't see that happening until the damn Baby Boomers are all dead and we can't afford health care for ourselves, so we all die younger.

Of course, there's always the chance that we'll stop making so many drugs and start doing a much better job at prevention, which I'd vote for!

One thing's for sure: if we thing the government is going to take care of our health, we're all in for short lives!

Sniper are you a christian???

Posted by fenderwa41

Is it any of your business? What does that have to do with increased insurance costs?

But still room to make shit up about Clinton, right? Like he killed 7000 black troops, just to watch them die?

Posted by northguy3

I didn't know that. I'll keep that in my memory bank for future use.

Joe's list might be impressive if it didn't list one drug multiple times. But who cares when you're a shill for corporate America.

"AMOXICILLIN 125/5ML QTY 80ML
AMOXICILLIN 125/5ML QTY 100ML
AMOXICILLIN 125/5ML QTY 150ML
AMOXICILLIN 200/5ML QTY 50 ML
AMOXICILLIN 200/5ML QTY 75ML*
AMOXICILLIN 200/5ML QTY 100ML*
AMOXICILLIN 250/5ML QTY 80ML
AMOXICILLIN 250/5ML QTY 100ML
AMOXICILLIN 250/5ML QTY 150ML
AMOXICILLIN 250MG QTY 30
AMOXICILLIN 400/5ML QTY 50ML
AMOXICILLIN 400/5ML QTY 75ML*
AMOXICILLIN 400/5ML QTY 100ML*
AMOXICILLIN 500MG QTY 30"

Every Year the Health Insurance Industry analyzes its costs and choose which benefits to eliminate in order to increase their profits. Slowly but surely they squeeze the ignorant out of every last penny. They don't give a flying fuck about anyone's health, unless an issue threatens their market position.

They would rather buy ads claiming to be the BEST health care system in the world than provide guaranteed health care.

That's right Jeff, it doesn't matter that a certain unnamed chain provides nearly every type and amount of one of the most commonly used antibiotics for $4. To point such a thing out is clearly whoredom to the corporate gods.

It costs money to invent new drugs

YEAH!

Duh!

That's why we (the Taxpayer) get to pay for their R&D ---- to the tune of 1.3 Billion annually!

"Government is going to take care of our health" Indeed! More like we the tax payer keep them (drug companies) in Tall Cotton!

And get this --- we still even have pay for the failures!


But what's a few billion here and there between "Fiscal Conservatives" that hate Taxpayer Waste!

A good number of the "new" drugs either have no therapeutic advantage over older medications, or they are simply a combination of two drugs that are often prescribed together - sometimes for the sole purpose of offsetting the side effects.

So as patents expire on an antiinflammatory drug another pops up and the marketing begins. Same with antidepressants. This leads people to request and doctors to prescribe newer, more expensive drugs that may have no better affect on a patient's outcome, and might even be more dangerous.

This is the result of corporate influence in Congress and the FDA, both of which are more interested in protecting profits than the people they represent.

I've never understood Redneckville, but what I think he's saying is this: he wants to pay for these drugs through higher taxes on himself. The patient in question is a federal employee; either the employee will pay for it, or ALL the federal employees pay it through higher premiums, or ALL the taxpayers pay it by having the Federal government assume the entire tab.

Choose wisely.

"either the employee will pay for it, or ALL the federal employees pay it through higher premiums, or ALL the taxpayers pay it by having the Federal government assume the entire tab.

Yeah, it's called insurance. Spread the risk out over as large of a group as possible.

I haven't met one person who's tried to explain away why our drugs are outrageously priced. I've been lucky to have doctors and pharmacists who care about people instead of profits. The only people who are apologists for the drug companies, it seems, are people who work for the companies or invest in them, or doctors getting kickbacks for pushing pills.

JonRyker, you don't have any financial ties to drug companies, do you?

Maybe JonRyker is just a guy who understands economics. Unlike you.

And if you think your doctor or pharmacist care "about people instead of profits"--try not paying them. Then let us all know how that goes.

Joe's list is impressive, ya just have to ask yourself one question...

Where does Walmart get those drugs that they sell so cheap?

Could it be China?

YEAH!


"Insurance" Bush World Style!


Redneck, why so angry son? Who is supposed to pay for this, teh taxpayer? I agree that tis is fucked up that the insurance company did not advice it's subscribers.

$1.3 billion huh? That'll fund the cost from concept to market of 1 drug. 1 new drug a year sounds great to me as I don't need them and don't want them. Why insurance even pays for drugs that are a poor substitue for diet and exercise is beyond me. I've had patients bitch about their lipitor copays while I try to ignore the big mac on their dash board.(drive through pharmacy window ftl)

Several pharmacists and doctors volunteer their time and expertise for free. Several pharmacists I know will work with a patient if a drug is too expensive. This is outside of the big box pharmacies though.

"Where does Walmart get those drugs that they sell so cheap?
Could it be China?"

Even if your suggestion were true, the drugs are approved by our FDA prior to being sold in America. It's a shame that the only thing you can cling to when wal-mart is helping millions of uninsured people afford medicine is that the drugs might have been made by your favorite bogeyman.

I haven't met one person who's tried to explain away why our drugs are outrageously priced.
I always assumed it was because it takes a lot of money to make new drugs.
It took us 6,000 yrs to cure syphilis, but only about 15 to turn AIDS from a death sentence to a manageable condition.
I assume we had to pay an army of PH.Ds, Drs, and lab techs, let alone the PACs to make that happen.

Also, as more nations limit the cost of drugs, the real cost (like the real cost of so much else in the world) is born by Americans. It is like squeezing a balloon. The true cost has to be paid by someone.

Willy Wonka isn't sitting back and making these drugs available with a crack team of oompa-lumpaas (sp?). Come to think of it, Willy charged for Wonka Bars too.

Now we see in the UK (and slowly here) a refusal to give health care to those suffering non-PC problems (smoking, fat, etc.). That is the thin edge of the wedge.
That is the true holy grail of socialized medicine, the ability to kill off your political opponents as a demographic. No need for messy and obvious concentration camps. Just let them die naturally but without treatment.
Of course, like the Ukrainian genocide, it is OK because it is in the name of progress.
Wait until we have Gov' medicine and a white and black man are up for a transplant. You'll have the NAACP & ACLU sue for discrimination if the black man isn't chosen. Forget Drs making health care choices, now we'll have judges deciding who lives and who dies.

"now we'll have judges deciding who lives and who dies."

EVen if your idiotic scenario were to be real I'd still take my chances with a judge over an accountant working for the insurance company. One who's bonus depended on how many denials of coverage he did. At least a judge is supposedly unbiased.

Joe... the drugs mentioned are not on the list

Copaxone

Sprycel

Tykerb.

AS far as $4.00 per, I have relative who crosses into Mexico and get some of those drugs (on the list) for a $1.00 or less.

Why do drug companies hate Americans...
Why do they soak Americans...

no doubt they stay up nights figuring how to get
more bucks with the lease fanfare with the
brighest bulb getting the largest raise

Could it be China?

Posted by Roy_Batty at 2008-04-14 05:41 PM | Reply

A lot of generic drugs are made in Peurto Rico and New Jersey. Once the patent expires it costs very little to make the compound.

"One thing's for sure: if we thing the government is going to take care of our health, we're all in for short lives!"

This is what I mean about Ryker. Wild rants, not backed up by a shred of evidence. Indeed, I can make a far better case for increasing the median US lifespan through MORE government health programs, government-subsidized research, even abolishing the noxious co-pays which probably pay for the drug in themselves.

Let's remember that Bush IS in the pockets of Big Pharmaceuticals and DOES to everything he can to boost BP profits at the expense of his constituency. herm

Joe has a such a hard-on for Walmart that he makes TonyRoma look "undecided" about Obama.

"(T)he Health Insurance Industry ... don't give a flying fuck about anyone's health>'

True. Corporate computers are geared for profits, and not to give an FF about health, morality or worthiness. herm

Yeah, it's called insurance. Spread the risk out over as large of a group as possible.

Posted by danni

You got part of it right. You forgot about the deductibal part.

But.. But... But...

The poor drug companies.... of course, they deserve to make a profit on the suffering of those who are in need of these drugs in order to survive and live normal life!

Those poor, poor, Pharmaceuticals.

We have to protect that bottom line you know.

Yeah imagine if the fire department was allowed to make a profit off of the misery of a family that lost their home to a fire.

Or imagine making a profit off of the misery of War...ok... bad example...

Those poor, poor, Pharmaceuticals.

We have to protect that bottom line you know.

Posted by donnerboy

If there was a negative bottom line there wouldn't be a drug company to invent all this good stuff or an insurance company to pay for your habbit. Do you think for one munite that any company is in if to loose money?

Our government is th only on that can spend more than they earn year after year. Pull your head out of your collective ass don.

There is always the option of removing profit from Big Pharma. One could lower drug costs significantly. It would carry consequences in drug development but who needs american innovation. Let the rest of the world develop the drugs. From what I see go out the door every day it's not the necessary drugs that cost americans the most but the acne, hair growth/removal, ED, brand name only when generic is available et al. that runs up such a great bill. As americans we could cut back but don't want to, we want OUR healthcare.

Just imagine Lister, Pasteur and Fleming in it for the Big Bucks. Dr. Ehrlich curing syph only to get rich, Mme. Curie messing with x-rays only so she can buy a lavish gown for the Nobel ball. The Snipe so self-righteously wails that all humanitarian progress in this world comes from the profit motive. It ain't so. Real progress comes from a desire for real progress. herm

"Mme. Curie messing with x-rays"

Actually it was Radium; Killed her.
Now Rosalyn Franklin ... killed her too.

Just like Big oil, the pharmaceutical companies are learning to stick it to the man!

Get out the K&Y every time you fill your tank or get a prescription filled.

Why is there a pill for everything? I am sick of every commercial on TV trying to sell you a pill for something that you might have or get.

I use cosmic rays.
We all get dosed the same by them.

Just like Big oil, the pharmaceutical companies are learning to stick it to the man!

Get out the K&Y every time you fill your tank or get a prescription filled.

Only if you have any money leftover after paying taxes.

Spread the risk out over as large of a group as possible.

I'd buy that if everyone was equally responsible for maintaining their health. But why should I be forced to pay for the health problems of people who engage in self-destructive behaviors, i.e. smoking, drugs, excessive drinking, lack of excercise, fatty diet, etc., when I go out of my way to take care of my health?

"But why should I be forced to pay for the health problems of people who engage in self-destructive behaviors, i.e. smoking, drugs, excessive drinking, lack of excercise, fatty diet, etc., when I go out of my way to take care of my health?" -REDMAN

Same argument, mostly, that many have against our progressive tax rates.

Democracy: the political system where everybody tries to live off of everybody else.

I'd buy that if everyone was equally responsible for maintaining their health. But why should I be forced to pay for the health problems of people who engage in self-destructive behaviors, i.e. smoking, drugs, excessive drinking, lack of excercise, fatty diet, etc., when I go out of my way to take care of my health?

Posted by Redman
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Get a life Red. There are far more illnesses that occur not based on diet. I had a gallbladder taken out at 47. I don't drink,don't do drugs, don't eat fatty foods, not overweight and at the time was running 5 miles every other day. Whats more my daughter had to have hers out at 21. These examples occur all the time so again stop listening to your pastor or priest or Bush or Rush and put your bible down because it lied when it said if you break those dietary laws you will suffer. It's a lie you need to start dealing with.

"AS far as $4.00 per, I have relative who crosses into Mexico and get some of those drugs (on the list) for a $1.00 or less."

Does he provide those cheap drugs to millions of Americans? If not, what's your point?

These examples occur all the time so again stop listening to your pastor or priest or Bush or Rush and put your bible down because it lied when it said if you break those dietary laws you will suffer.

You really are an asshole, aren't you?

For your information, I don't go to church or listen to Rush or read the bible or give a crap about anyone's dietary laws. And I'm aware that illness occur to people who take care of themselves. But I'm also aware that many people don't, and I don't think that I should have to pay higher premiums for their coronary disease, lung cancer or stomach and liver problems.

Americans seem unaware how much more they are paying for drugs than other countries, in the name of the "free market" where prices are controlled by corporations. So-called "price controls" abroad are negotiated wholesale prices. Corporate price controls in the U.S. are un-negotiated monopoly prices, which then large buyers negotiate down.

According to a detailed analysis, American employers and health plans pay at wholesale 2.5-3.5 times the prices in Australia and other countries with comparable prices for patented drugs (Productivity Commission of Australia 2001). There is no evidence that these prices do not cover research costs. U.S. generic prices shadow patent drug prices and are also 2.5-3.5 times more.

I spammed from the bioethics report to show that many of the illusions that Americans are sold on to justify high drug costs are crap.

It is not that other countries don't pay enough for drugs it is that you pay too much.

82% of the research funds are spent on reinventing existing drugs.Change a molecule hear and there slap a new patent on it and start a marketing campaign.The new drug may not work any better than the old one that is now in generic status,but reward enough doctors for prescribing it and you have a winner.

Drug companies post PROFITS 3 to 4 times that of other fortune 500 companies yet they have the public conned that to challenge their costs is tantamount to putting your own health at risk.

shhhhhhhhh...they want u.s. sedated...

i'm almost fifty-fricken-two, been smoking since i was thirteen, can count the times i've had a cough on one hand, but then again, i don't go to the doctor for every paper cut - this is a scam to get those of us who produce and find little need (except on occasion) to pay for everybody elses' drugs! i take three aspirin nearly every day for arthritis and have thrown away most prescriptions i've EVER had.

if all these socialized med programs go into effect, i'll be the first to become an addict and i'll rape this farqed up system dry. but, i'll be either tossing or selling my drugs for a profit. yup, they'll make a criminal out of me yet!

get wise, people.

RR,

Drug prices in this country are largely based on whatever the market will bear, not the cost of production or even research. Drug advertising is crazy expensive and makes our lives ever more pleasant. That cost is another uniquely American adder. Now ad Insurance Companies tiered deductibles, based on drug costs, any superior health benefit is irrelevant.

Case in point:

Insulin: $675 to an uninsured American on the street; $375 to US Insurance Companies; $175 in England where it is legal to negotiate drug prices; $3 in to any uninsured African.

What is wrong with this picture?

RR,

Drug prices in this country are largely based on whatever the market will bear, not the cost of production or even research. Drug advertising is crazy expensive and makes our lives ever more pleasant. That cost is another uniquely American adder. Now ad Insurance Companies tiered deductibles, based on drug costs, any superior health benefit is irrelevant.

Case in point:

Insulin: $675 to an uninsured American on the street; $375 to US Insurance Companies; $175 in England where it is legal to negotiate drug prices; $3 in to any uninsured African.

What is wrong with this picture?

"AS far as $4.00 per, I have relative who crosses into Mexico and get some of those drugs (on the list) for a $1.00 or less."

Does he provide those cheap drugs to millions of Americans? If not, what's your point? Posted by JOE at 2008-04-14 09:55 PM
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JOE...no, my relative doesn't and neither does Wal-Mart...point being Wal-Mart is making a good profit on the sales and their $4.00 per should not fool anyone it's pure business behind a smart PR move. I'm glad they did it no complaints from me.


Maybe William W. McGuire M.D. who was the CEO of UnitedHealth Group might provide those drugs...

$342,284,000 5 yr comp

On 15 October 2006, it was announced that McGuire would step down immediately as chairman and director of United Health, and step down as CEO on 1 December 2006 due to his involvement in the employee stock options scandal
McGuire's exit compensation from UnitedHealth, expected to be around $1.1 billion

On 6 December 2007, the SEC announced a settlement under which McGuire will repay $468 million

$1,100,000,000 + $342,284,000 - $468,000,000= $974,284,000 over 5 years...will pay for a lot of drugs and my relative is STILL working on the first million.

i know it doesnt make sense on the surface, but having the patient pay more out of pocket will force the drug companies to lower their price. hopefully at least. part of the reason that drugs are so expensive is because of the backward deals that insurance companies have with drug companies.

Why do drug companies hate Americans...
Why do they soak Americans...

Posted by mmike

The answer partly lies in the fact that the government ties the hands of the drug companies by soaking them with higher and higher corporate taxes. Has not anybody ever figured out that corporations are huge tax collectors for the federal and state governments. All they do when the governments increase THEIR taxes is increase the prices of the product they sell and then pass the also increased taxes on to the customers in the form of higher prices.

Right or wrong, good or bad, this is reality. Knock off the tax BS and watch the prices fall. OR, let other countries like canada or mexico enter the picture by supplying those same drugs and watch the prices decrease. Competition is the answer, not higher taxes. Higher taxes plays right into the hands of those businesses who will increase their prices and still make the profits their investors demand.

Good day.
Simple economics lesson

Spread the risk out over as large of a group as possible.

I'd buy that if everyone was equally responsible for maintaining their health. But why should I be forced to pay for the health problems of people who engage in self-destructive behaviors, i.e. smoking, drugs, excessive drinking, lack of excercise, fatty diet, etc., when I go out of my way to take care of my health?

The thing is, this is already happening; it's called group plans. If you work for a small business, all it takes is one or two moderate claims within your group to make everyone's rates skyrocket come renewal time. If I recall correctly, it's illegal for an employer to not allow "unhealthy" individuals to sign up to a company sponsored health plan.

My company recently switched to an HSA/HDHP due to the cost of insurance doubling every 4 or 5 years. I was dubious at first but it's actually a pretty decent plan. Only time will tell if plans like this will help control medical costs.

i know it doesnt make sense on the surface, but having the patient pay more out of pocket will force the drug companies to lower their price. hopefully at least. part of the reason that drugs are so expensive is because of the backward deals that insurance companies have with drug companies.

I'm not sure if it really matters. I have an HSA/HDHP, so I pay 100% cost of prescriptions prior to hitting my deductible. In theory at least, I pay the same negotiated rate for prescriptions that the insurance would have paid. My pharmacy gets paid the same amount whether I write the check or my insurance company does.

On a macro level, I could see these kind of health plans driving down the cost of prescriptions. As it is now, most people have no idea how much prescriptions cost because all they see is a $10.00 or $15.00 copay. If people had to pay $100 or $200 for an Rx, I think they'd be more inclined to work with their doctor to find an equivalent or find a cheaper pharmacy. My spouse and I generally shop around now for the best price at pharmacies (our insurance company's website let us look up prices) and mail-order the more expensive stuff from Canada.

The one thing I didn't understand about this article is, even if an insurance company (under a traditional PPO/HMO) requires someone to pay 100% cost of prescriptions, wouldn't they eventually hit their deductible and out-of-pocket maximum pretty quickly?

Herm,

Trying to rally some support? Feeling the need for some help?

If you think the government would do a great job with health care, why don't you look at the history of the VA, for example?

Do you really want the funding of the healthcare system to be subject to the political whims and budget battles? Are you really that deaf to the economics of the situation?

Look, the fact is that there are a lot of things that used to kill us that don't now. In addition to that, there are a lot of things that used to cripple us that don't now. In addition, there are a lot of people living longer now than they would have in the past, even if they're not sick. A major reason for this is drugs.

Government-run healthcare programs are not nearly as creative, so they don't have the development costs. Other government-run health care systems simply wait for our companies to invent drugs and then adopt them without incurring the development costs. So, that's why they're cheap...they don't invent.

The question really is about how willing you are to let people suffer and die. Me, I'm ok with that. In general, people are not. So, we're willingly paying these drug companies a lot of money for this priviledge. If the drug companies weren't producing as desired, they'd be out of business. The fact that they're making a lot of money simply means that people value their services.

No citations necessary. Just a little bit of understanding about how drugs get developed (I used to work for Procter and Gamble, before I started teaching) and a memory long enough to remember AIDS and Cancer being automatic death sentences.

If the drug and energy companies are so good at taking your money and making obcene profits, buy some of their stock and get in on the fleecing of the public.

Hell, buy a bunch of stock and retire.

Everybody with an IRA or retirement plan has stock in drug companies and is making money because of it. If not, you should definitely fire your fund manager.

Of course, if you live in momma's basement and don't have a job, you might not have experienced this benefit.

Right or wrong, good or bad, this is reality. Knock off the tax BS and watch the prices fall. OR, let other countries like canada or mexico enter the picture by supplying those same drugs and watch the prices decrease. Competition is the answer, not higher taxes. Higher taxes plays right into the hands of those businesses who will increase their prices and still make the profits their investors demand.
Posted by farmerjohn
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Agree on the competition lowering prices

"canada or mexico enter the picture by supplying those same drugs and watch the prices decrease"

They get their drugs from the same drug companies do you really think the wholesale prices will stay low (or resale restriction applied) in Mexico and Canada if they export their drugs to the US

"...the government ties the hands of the drug companies by soaking them with higher and higher corporate taxes. ...pass the also increased taxes on to the customers in the form of higher prices. Higher taxes plays right into the hands of those businesses who will increase their prices and still make the profits their investors demand."
Posted by farmerjohn
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"by soaking them with higher and higher corporate taxes..."

Federal Corporate Taxes as a % of GDP, Fiscal 1960 to 2003 second lowest since 1960 less than 1.5%...and the actual rates are also lower.

Taxes are not such a burden on corps. 2001-2003.

"Eighty-two of the top 275 companies, almost a third of the total, paid zero or less in
federal income taxes in at least one year from 2001 to 2003, a period when federal corporate tax collections fell to their lowest sustained level in six decades. Many of them enjoyed
multiple no-tax years. In the years they paid no income tax, these companies earned
$102 billion in pretax U.S. profits. But instead of paying $35.6 billion in income taxes as
the statutory 35 percent corporate tax rate seems to require, these companies
generated so many excess tax breaks that they received outright tax rebate checks from
the U.S. Treasury, totaling $12.6 billion.

These companies'"negative tax rates" meant
that they made more after taxes than before taxes in those no-tax years."
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I could not find the"negative tax rates" line on my 1040

Of top 275 companies

"Twenty-eight corporations enjoyed negative federal income tax rates over the entire 2001-03 period."

"In 2003 alone, 46 companies paid zero or less in federal income taxes."

"After 2001, the average effective rate for all 275 companies dropped by a fifth, from 21.4 percent in 2001 to 17.2 percent in 2002 and 2003, less than half the statutory 35 percent corporate tax rate that corporations ostensibly are supposed to pay."

Loopholes and other tax subsidies cut taxes for the
275 companies by $43.4 billion in 2001, $60.8 billion in 2002 and $71.0 billion in 2003, for a total of $175.2 billion in tax breaks over the
three years
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Not a single industry as a group of ALL US CORPORATIONS paid an effective tax rate of more than 29 percent, either for the entire three-year period or in any given year.

Guess the little guys are subsidizing the big guys.

Mmike,

Guess who picks up the bill for those corporate taxes, if they are paid?

"...the government ties the hands of the drug companies by soaking them with higher and higher corporate taxes."

And I guess you think they don't pass that cost along to the consumer?

Doesn't anybody think just a little before they make wild statements?

The same holds true for the mon/pop business down the street.

The apostles of simple answers should be pleased with this one. Drug prices are preposterous because drug companies own the patents and make off the monopoly whatever the traffic will bear. And to answer a minor point, the VA mess is not proof of how bad "government medicine" is, it's proof that the VA needs upgrading. herm

Herm,

Well, the government has had a long time to upgrade it and has refused to do so....What's that tell you?

If drug prices were considered to be preposterous, people wouldn't buy them. Since that's not the case, I'm thinking you're wrong again. Nevertheless, if you don't want pharmaceutical monopolies, it would be very important NOT to federalize the health care system, or you'll end up with something that looks like the military-industrial complex....Not the model for cost efficiency.

I don't blame you. Fascists have such trouble with questions about markets.

"it would be very important NOT to federalize the health care system, or you'll end up with something that looks like the military-industrial complex"

or more truthfully like Medicare.

"If drug prices were considered to be preposterous, people wouldn't buy them."

Riiight. They'd choose death.

Mmike,

Guess who picks up the bill for those corporate taxes, if they are paid? Posted by jonryker
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JONRYKER...

Are you suggesting there should be not corporate taxes?

If not the point is most of the richest 275 corps.
pay less taxes as percentage than my son does, and many NONE AT ALL.

We have a trickle up economy

If drug prices were considered to be preposterous, people wouldn't buy them."

Riiight. They'd choose death.

And the drug companies can't make much money off of dead people. So what will happen, Danni? They will lower prices.

"Guess who picks up the bill for those corporate taxes, if they are paid? Posted by jonryker"

Not the consumer. The consumer already has the goods before the corporation even figures their profit much less tax. The stock holder ends up paying the tax.

"And the drug companies can't make much money off of dead people. So what will happen, Danni? They will lower prices."

Not true, the pharmaceutical company realizes that some won't be able to afford the drugs and that shrinkage of their market is figured into the price. In drugs for serious illness price is not usually a consideration unless there are viable alternatives.

Corporate taxes are a drag on the economy AND, the consumer winds up paying them anyway. As I said, corporations are nothing more than a big tax sucking vacuum for the government. Corporations collect the tax and send on to Uncle Sam.

All taxes on businesses are passed on to the consumer, even in farming. there is no way this fact can be denied. So, if you want government to tax corporations at a higher tax rate, all you are saying is you want the consumer to pay more for the product.

If my cost for inputs goes up I will either store my grain or get paid more for it. Period. And, this is true of all other businesses. It is not a matter of the rich getting richer. They can always put their money (invest their money) elsewhere and many do just because government believes that taxing corporate America is a good thing.

Solution??? let the market place control the price WITHOUT interference from Uncle Sam. The market place will always win out. The consumer will always choose the product that is cheaper, most of the time anyway. For example, many people have switched from the Purple Pill to the generic brands which do just as good a job if not better. (The only reason the Purple Pill is so much in demand is because of all the false advertising we stupid public have accepted as truth.)

I just drove 33 miles to fill up my tank with gas that is 13 cents a gallon cheaper than in my home town. I buy over the counter acid reflux medicines and I always buy non brand name and generic simply because they are cheaper and my dollars go further. same will happen to drugs as soon as Uncle gets his hands out of the corporate pie.

AND, as somebody posted above that higher corporate taxes were not a burden on the economy. I could possibly agree but only because we the consumer pay those taxes in the end anyway so in that case, they would not be a drag.

Competition is the answer, not higher taxes and that is the whole point. You do not and cannot tax yourself and ourselves into prosperity, PERIOD.

Danni,

And what about all the taxes paid on all the raw materials and sub-handling services which led into making, shipping, marketing the product, Danni? You think those corporate types are just gonna eat that? No, that figure that into their material and production costs when they determine the selling price. Your'e paying those taxes for them, Danni, even if you don't know it.

Why do you think they ship jobs overseas? Do you really think they enjoy trying to learn to speak Chinese? No...it's because none of these intermediate taxes happen and they can produce much more cheaply...that's why its done.

If you want jobs to stay here, remove the income tax and the tax savings for going overseas will vanish. There might still be wage differences, but with the taxes taken out, many companies would keep manufacturing jobs here, because its easier.

FARMERJOHN
To clarify a point are saying taxes are the main reason that drugs cost so much?

The question really is about how willing you are to let people suffer and die. Me, I'm ok with that. In general, people are not. So, we're willingly paying these drug companies a lot of money for this priviledge. If the drug companies weren't producing as desired, they'd be out of business. The fact that they're making a lot of money simply means that people value their services.
No citations necessary. Just a little bit of understanding about how drugs get developed (I used to work for Procter and Gamble, before I started teaching) and a memory long enough to remember AIDS and Cancer being automatic death sentences.
Posted by jonryker at 2008-04-15 10:13 AM

'Nuff said. You needn't chime-in on any thread concerning ethics. I have a very hard time imagining your "teachings" not involving students wishing to thrust sharp objects into your body on occasion.

The "drug companies" have been stealing us blind in collusion with insurance and Federal outsourcers. One person that I work with has crushed cartilage between two neck vertebras causing heart palpitations from the pain. The hospital told him the injection to alleviate the pain - NOT surgery - would cost $60,000. Doesn't that seem excessive? He works two jobs and still can't afford it, even with health insurance. What kind of procedure isn't worth saving a life? Only the majority of out-priced, absolutely necessary ones. Sick, sick USA.

Not the consumer. The consumer already has the goods before the corporation even figures their profit much less tax. The stock holder ends up paying the tax.

Posted by danni

No sweet cheeks. It is in the price you pay at the store.

While we are on the subject, the oil companies make about $0.08 on a galon of gas. State and federal taxes amount to about $1.00 depending on the state you are in. Who is the boogy man here? The taxes are to go to road const and maint but where does it go when I am on a toll road?

"The taxes are to go to road const and maint but where does it go when I am on a toll road?

Posted by Sniper at 2008-04-15 06:52 PM"

Um, to road const and maint. Are you really this dense?

Everything is wired in such of a way that other's can make residual income off of you in some ways shape or form. All the way down to major illness all over the world, and the EXPENSIVE PRESCRIPTIONS.
That's why these things are so high, and most of them if not all aren't even good for the human consumption.

Did you know that "PHARMA" means witchcraft?

Hmmm....

We are paying a lot of extra, for Research and Developement.

"No sweet cheeks. It is in the price you pay at the store."

Riiight! Sniper you don't have a clue about what you are talking about. You do know that, don't you???

Redlightrobot,

In the past, he simply would have been left to die. It's expensive to keep dead people walking. I can understand why he'd wanna keep walking, but he shouldn't be surprised it's expensive. What if the injection weren't an option? Would he be better off?

Excessive? I don't know...is his life worth $60,000? That's up to him to decide, but apparently, he thinks so. You apparently do not.

Danni,

When they set the price for their product, what sort of accounting procedures do you think they go through? Do you think they just pick a number, irrespective of the costs involved and what they think their competitors might charge? Do you think they have no idea what the taxes will be when they set this price?

Honestly, are you 2 years old? If so, you're pretty smart, for a 2-year old. Otherwise, I've gotta wonder if you've ever actually left momma's basement.....

If you haven't, here's a tip....you aren't being treated right! Call 241-KIDS, or whatever the local line is.

When they set the price for their product, what sort of accounting procedures do you think they go through? Do you think they just pick a number, irrespective of the costs involved and what they think their competitors might charge? Do you think they have no idea what the taxes will be when they set this price?
Posted by jonryker
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"Do you think they just pick a number..."

Makes you wonder...


"...what they think their competitors might charge...

NOTHING the formulas are patented (20? Help needed here please) for many years.

"Do you think they have no idea what the taxes will be when they set this price?"

Some pay nothing...none pay the tax table rate, plenty of loopholes...also see Scotty 10:44

"Taxpayers pay for most research costs, and many clinical trials as well."
Posted by Scotty at 2008-04-14 10:44 PM