I'll be glad to have some folks who respect the Constitution in charge some day.

Put a quote mark around "terrorism" There IS NO terrorism. This is the new police state, shifting into second gear. herm

Herm-
Of course there is terrorism. WTF?

Terrorism is a Karl Rove invention. You haven't been reading my posts here. The 9/11 perpetrators were Saudi Arabs and they're dead. The only terrorism in this country since then has been by Bush people. That's the short version. Questions? herm

Herm-
Terrorism has been used to justify all sorts of criminal actions, but terrorism does exist. I can't believe that you are so stupid.

Black September? Karl Rove
IRA? Rove
PLO? Rove
Sendero Luminoso? Yup. Karl again.
etc. and etc.

Gee, Betel Juice, believe it; elucidate stupid little old me. I presume that the criminal actions you say "terrorism" is used to justify are by OUR government. Show me where, in the continental United States and NOT by our Republican leaders, any has taken place. herm

Herm-
Um. 9/11.

SINCE 9/11. I've issued that challenge so often in the last few years that maybe I left it out this time or you just missed it. The Saudi Arabian "terrorists" that did 9/11, Betel, are all gone. Maybe you mean the Bin Laden videotapes. herm

I'm sorry, Herm, but every once in a while I run across someone so unbelievably stupid that it just doesn't pay to have a conversation with them.

Betel, calling someone unbelievably stupid is not exactly a talking point in your favor, but it's always been the best that your breed has to offer. Do converse if you can find something intelligent. herm

That was fun....do it again!

31. Two of the alleged hijackers lived openly in San Diego with an FBI informant for over a year: "The FBI inspector general's report reveals for the first time that the CIA not only failed to inform the FBI about [Al] Mihdhar, but that CIA officials intervened to suppress a memorandum drafted by an FBI agent detailed to the CIA-run Counter-Terrorism Center (CTC), who wanted to notify the FBI about the suspected terrorist with a US visa."
"One FBI official familiar with the case will later complain, "[The CIA] purposely hid [Almihdhar] from the FBI, purposely refused to tell the bureau. ...And that's why September 11 happened. ...They have blood on their hands." [Bamford, 2004, pp. 224, A Pretext for War: 9/11, Iraq, and the Abuse of America's Intelligence Agencies]

40. At least 7 of the alleged "hijackers" were reported to be still alive. Neither the FBI nor the 9/11 Commission corrected the identities, and the government has treated the issue of who exactly attacked America on September 11th as relatively unimportant. The flight manifests released by the airlines did not contain any of the names of the hijackers (who supposedly bought tickets just like everybody else), and there are discrepancies in the number of persons reported to be onboard the airliners. This also has not been explained by officials, at all.

Why don't we suspend Crotch Fur's presidency while we try him for violating the constitution. That ole' piece of paper that he swore to uphold so help him God.

Again an again this Administration has defaced our Constitution, an for letting them get away with it the Democratic leadership in Congress has been more than disgraceful, it has been cowardly. History will hold this Congress in contempt for allowing this President to break AMERICAN LAW!!!

What a fucking disgrace, This Democratic Party Has no fucking BALLS, they have allowed this fucking light weight to dictate to them WHAT A FUCKING DISGRACE!!!!!!!!!

After 47 years voting Democratic, I can no longer support them, not that I would ever vote for the Racist Republician Party, I will be an Independent an look for change in other ways...An Yes when I am old enough to Retire I will leave this Fucking Hell hole called AMERICA an do so with the knowledge that this Country at this time is not worth saving!!!!

THOMAS JEFFERSON, the father of our Constitution, said that for this Country to truly be free the People would need to always have the choice to have another Revolution when it is clear that the Government in power has taken away our Freedoms, can anyone really say that that is not happening????

herm.....maybe, just maybe, there is a reason why we cant pin down a terrorist attack since 9/11....so if I am reading you right, you say that there hasnt been one so we shouldnt do whatever it takes to keep that going...is that correct?
well......but it does talk about searches and seizures.....I believe that taking thousands of jappannese americans and putting them in camps is seizure......isnt it? and why did that happen?
what about lincoln and habeus corpus? why did he suspend that??? I am interested in your answers....

and isnt is wonderfull that libs are so woried about the 4th amendment when parts of the 1st (talk radio) and ALL of the 2nd are just a hindrance to the liberal destruction of american values and culture.

so celis....and I mean this sincerely....if you wont vote for dems because they have no balls and the republicans are racists......so where do you go.....or do you stay at home next november?

and one more thing and this comes directly from your comment...

get the fuck out now.....dont look back....and if we need to take a collection up to get you to retirement early, let me know..
hey we could have a golf tournament.
have you tried the lottery?
whatever you have to do...get the fuck out of this hellhole soon...tonight..tomorrow.....
maybe there is room in denmark with whatshisname.....

bani....I have read that nonsense before. it doesnt mean shit to me, but thanks for trying.

I mean look..the number one item talks about bush continueing to read when told of it...and this means, I guess, that he knew all about it and didnt need to jump and run off yelling something or barking out orders.....
we have been through all of this leftists nonsense before.........

bani....I have read that nonsense before. it doesnt mean shit to me, but thanks for trying.

Posted by bushlovertwo

what nonsense?

I see BLT spewing the nonsense about not being attacked on American Soil since 9-11-01 when I have countless times shown that to not be true at all. Me thinks blowing into all of those Musical Instruments so much has blown a major blood vessel in the cranium. Poor feller.

Larry Mohr

I truly wish I understood what BLT wants to say. The Saudis who died in the WTC/Pentagon attack haven't done it again, since 9/11? Thank Bush? Wow! Big, as they say, whoop.

He rambles about FDR interning American citizens of Japanese descent and Lincoln suspending habeas corpus. Does he want me to say either of those were OK because FDR and Lincon did them. What does he want from me?

I think his last post is "love it or leave it," but I'm not sure. If it's MY retirement, that took place 19 years ago. I posted recently why I didn't move to a civilized country: I don't speak their language, I've owned a home here half a century, have friends, grandkids, etc. I love it. It's MY country, dammit, and I want it to have decent leadership. herm

What Saudi have been proven to have died? Herms...passports were found where?:>)LOL

BUSHLOVERTWO...The Democrats really don't deserve the office of the President, an the Republicians have proven that they would fuck our Constitution to protect us, so who cares, wake me when the Revolution starts!!!!!

"What Saudi have been proven to have died?"

You question the authenticated report that 15 of the 19 who died in the hijack had Saudi passports, Bani? Hey, those guys achieved what they set out to achieve. They screwed up our nation beyond repair and got its citizens to pay the bill for a horrendous war that exacts vengeance from the wrong people. But they paid for that with their lives. There's no evidence that any are left. herm

So Bani, Jesse Ventura is now an expert on controlled demolitions?

Who'd a thunk it. Of course Jesse does know about staging things being an ex wrestler and all.

Bee Swell

So Bani, Jesse Ventura is now an expert on controlled demolitions?

Who'd a thunk it. Of course Jesse does know about staging things being an ex wrestler and all.

Bee Swell

Posted by Crackpipejunkie


forgot the part on him being a former Seal, NO?:>)

"False Flag is written all over this extremely successful PR Cheney/Bush success story..."

Bani, I usually take the more complex conspiracy scenarios with a grain of salt. but I have plenty of acquaintances who feel as you do about the assassinations with which this nation has been cursed.

The WTC disaster kept the bushlings in power Four More Years, and if you can make a case for GOP or Mossad thumbs in that pie, don't let me interfere. herm

what I meant by citing those examples is that presidents in times of crisis have had to do things that presidents like clinton didnt have to do.

HEY LARRY.......blowing chunks hasnt affected me at all.

BLBLBLBLLBLLLLURRBLLL he says with his fingers on his lips.......


article in paper today talks about china having spies in the us...RIGHT NOW.....so do we ignore them, or do we try and find them....

and again.....just think for a little bit about the 9.11 conspriacy theory....
can any of you explain how bush and others got all of this in place.....just how do you go about doing something like what happened then....to your own people, that is.....we KNOW how these bastards did it....

"I'll be glad to have some folks who respect the Constitution in charge some day."

I'm with you.

the FBI and ATF have been behaving this way for dacades. Join the club fuckwads. If we protest, no problem, you can just gun us all down.

Bani wrote,

"forgot the part on him being a former Seal, NO?:>)"

Jesse Ventura was never a Navy seal. He was a member of the underwater demolition team.

As usual you don't let the facts get in the way of a good try.

Bee Swell

"so celis....and I mean this sincerely....if you wont vote for dems because they have no balls and the republicans are racists......so where do you go.....or do you stay at home next november?"

Yes, Celis, staying home is the best idea I've heard all damned day. Or you could go choose which crimal gang gets to lord over your neighbors for the next 4 years like the rest of these dumb asses.

If you do decide to go "vote" I hope you take a turd into the voting booth with you and use it like a big crayon to write the word "NO" on your ballot.

well......but it does talk about searches and seizures.....I believe that taking thousands of jappannese americans and putting them in camps is seizure......isnt it? and why did that happen?
what about lincoln and habeus corpus? why did he suspend that??? I am interested in your answers....


Well, that was different. Back then we were truely threatened by people who either wanted to subjugate us or wipe us off the face of the earth. Today, it's different.


must be nonsense if a former Navy Seal gets it:>)


Shit. I'm not even a former seal and I get it. But I'm a cynic. I'm naturally predisposed to not believing what the government and the media try to spoon feed me. I'll listen to opposing viewpoints, especially about this, with an openmind.

It just find it difficult to believe that George W Bush is in on it.

Why? Well it's simple. Either democrats are right and GWB is the dumbest mother fucker on the planet, incapable of making a good decision if his life depended on it. Well that means that someone else had to come up with this plan. Face it. If he's fuckin' stupid, he wouldn't be able to stop himeself from telling at least one person who would have run to the media.

OR

GWB is smarter than every democrat out there because he has them all fooled. Why? Well if his administration managed to accomplish what is arguably the largest terrorist attack on american soil and only "the crackpots" think he did it...I'd say he's a fucking genious.

That's not even factoring in the parts where the democrats can't seem to find a foothold against GWB's policies. They're too busy trying to decide if they are for the Iraq war this week or against it.

Yes, Celis, staying home is the best idea I've heard all damned day. Or you could go choose which crimal gang gets to lord over your neighbors for the next 4 years like the rest of these dumb asses.

If you do decide to go "vote" I hope you take a turd into the voting booth with you and use it like a big crayon to write the word "NO" on your ballot.


It's always funny that the Anarchists and "less government" crowd seem to side with the democrats. Well, no it's not fuckin' funny at all.

You're right. Both sides have done nothing but increase the size of government, but that isn't an excuse to not vote.

Part of the reason that the politicians know they can get away with this shit is because American's are more concerned with their giant god damn tv's than they are with the political process.

If more people made it clear that we're tired of the bullshit, maybe we could turn the van around before the gates of hell close behind us.

Jesse Ventura was never a Navy seal. He was a member of the underwater demolition team.

A common error, since they merged after Ventura left the UDT. Hardly something to get your panties in a wad over.

Axiom.. There *might* be another option. Bush was never a member of PNAC and it is possible that Rove, Cheney, Rumsfeld, et al hatched the plan.

When Operation Northwoods was planned, it was done so by the Joint Chiefs of Staff. McNamara was the one who squashed what would have been events very similar to 9/11...

I for one don't dispute the official version of the events of 9/11

What I have a MAJOR problem with is how Bush and Co. used the attack as a means of doing all manner of despicable things.

Osama and Zawahiri are still alive and well mocking us

We're spending our national treasure on Iraq - who have a surplus as we spend OUR money rebuilding THEIR country.

FDR wouldn't have called on our fear every other day. He's have told us "we have nothing to fear but fear itself". He rallied the nation after Pearl Harbor. Bush didn't. He brought out the worst in us rather than the best.

SINCE 9/11. I've issued that challenge so often in the last few years that maybe I left it out this time or you just missed it. The Saudi Arabian "terrorists" that did 9/11, Betel, are all gone. Maybe you mean the Bin Laden videotapes. herm

Posted by herm at 2008-04-03 05:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

I see somebody has conveniently forgotten the anthrax attacks. But I'm sure this will be labeled a "non-terrorist" attack by herm. The Bush Administration may have gone overboard in its reaction to 9/11 but to say there are no terrorists left in the US (except the anthrax mailer, of course) because there have been no further attacks is pathetically naive, at best.

Herm, Herm, Herm. You poor little fool. I feel sorry for you conspiracy believers. Quick, look behind you..

It is time for you basement dwellers to climb the stairs and go outside for some fresh air. While you are out there maybe find a job and a girlfriend.

It is time for you basement dwellers to climb the stairs and go outside for some fresh air. While you are out there maybe find a job and a girlfriend.

Posted by 08r4ever


As Herm said earlier, personal attacks won't make your case for you. It just makes you look like the moron.

I don't think anyone can dispute that Bush and Cheney have openly disregarded they welfare, much less the desires of the American people. Just look at Cheney's statements as of late, and from what he said after they were elected. Cheney firmly believes that American's say in how their government is run ENDS after the election. Once it's over, they have no obligation to listen to us. That's his opinion, and he'd be wrong.

Why don't we suspend Crotch Fur's presidency while we try him for violating the constitution. That ole' piece of paper that he swore to uphold so help him God.

Posted by keith204

The guy that played with all the strange crotch fur hasn't been in office for quite a while. If you remember, they did impeach him.

The ref to that little old piece of paper and Bush is a lib lie and you can't show anyone a transcript of when he said it. Give it a F*****G rest.

BJ Willie was on the band wagon to do away with the second amendment. Let's tar and feather him too while we'r at it.

"domestic military operations"

A comforting thought...

Simply amazing , you worthless libcom fucks let bill and hillary suppress our Bill of Rights for 8 fucking years , you had sandy burgler stealing against evidence that implicated bubba and his bitch to major crimes against Americans and America from the National Archives . Then you whine like the she bitch babies over G.W. protecting the country .

You assholes need to move to china .

Bush has created two things:

1- More terrorists
2- More debt

Case closed.

you worthless libcom fucks...


What's a "libcom fuck"?

RN, why don't you move to China? I promise you'll be in better company. The rest of us will fight to get our country back...

So sick of idiots bringing up Clinton every time Bush is criticized. Yes Clinton was a lying fuck. So what does that excuse Bush somehow? When are you drones gonna break your chains and realize that the D's and R's are laughing all the way to the bank at all of us?

So sick of idiots bringing up Clinton every time Bush is criticized. Yes Clinton was a lying fuck. So what does that excuse Bush somehow? When are you drones gonna break your chains and realize that the D's and R's are laughing all the way to the bank at all of us?

Posted by Salaryman

Most people here think the sun rises and sets on Clinton and they think the new moon is always on Bush. They need to realize that there is enough BS from both parties to go around.

You are correct, both parties want to enslave us with bigger government.

The dems with more social programs and the reps with more security reasons. BOTH SUCK.

We need to cut the government at least in half in the next couple years and then do it again after that. We need to get them back on track to what the constitution says their role is and get away from all this crap about protecting us from ourselves.

I also realize that will never happen in my lifetime.

4th amendment? What makes you think he gives a rat's ass about the rest of them?

"The Anthrax Attacks!" Sounds so poetic. "The Anthrax Attacks Strikes Backs." Or maybe "Son of the Anthrax Attacks." Someone apparently mailed some Very Important People a strange and unidentified white powder in late 2001. I've heard little about The Anthrax Attacks since then, and suspect they are another corporate hoax. But that makes me a conspiracy buff, doesn't it? herm

Put a quote mark around "terrorism" There IS NO terrorism.

Herm, the new Micheal Moore. 'There is no terrorist threat, there is no terrorist threat.' Try telling that to the people in Spain who died after that comment was made. And I guess the guys arrested who planned on blowing up planes weren't terrorists. The list does go on.

Whoever says something like this, herm included, is a lying, uneducated, piece of shit.

"Whoever says something like this, herm included, is a lying, uneducated, piece of shit."

An earlier poster pointed out that name calling only reduces the name caller to moron level.

But if Everlong is as weak in reading as he (?) is in writing, he needs to be reminded that I said there has been no "terrorism," other than that inflicted by Republicans, IN THE UNITED STATES since 2001.

Ev, I stand by that. dumb ole herm

Whoever says something like this, herm included, is a lying, uneducated, piece of shit.

Posted by everlong


Whoever says something like this, Everlong included, can't refute seemingly logical statements without resorting to calling names. I've met grade schoolers with the same problem.

We need to cut the government at least in half in the next couple years ...

SNIPER

Back to where it was in 2000. Bush doubled the federal budget. Vote Dem and you'll get a balanced budget and fiscal responsibility.

Cheney is dead wrong. Deficits DO matter. $500,000,000,000 a year in interest on the national debt is criminal. Just slightly less than we spend on defense.

When your taxes DO finally have to go up, blame the ones that caused it to happen, not the Dems. Sooner or later you gotta pay the piper - and NOT from money you borrowed yet again to pay the piper as Bush and the GOP controlled Congress did.

Not to mention the trade deficits have also doubled since the GOP finally got their turn.

The last big GOP 'tax cutter' Ronnie Raygun raised taxes 7 out of his 8 years in office, managed to skyrocket the national debt over a trillion for the first time in our history, and left states holding the bag forcing them to raise taxes to keep up revenues.

The whole thing about the GOP being 'fiscally responsible' is a bunch of hogwash smoke and mirrors. Or, as Bush 41 said: "Fuzzy math".

THOMAS JEFFERSON, the father of our Constitution, said that for this Country to truly be free the People would need to always have the choice to have another Revolution when it is clear that the Government in power has taken away our Freedoms, can anyone really say that that is not happening????

Posted by celisary at 2008-04-03 09:47 PM

Here, here. I concur. Let's start a revolution against this repressive regime. Anyone know Raul and Chavez's phone number.

We need to get funding and weapons which I'm sure they would oblige.

The New United States of Me. Kind of has a nice ring to it. First new amendment, no rich white guys from traditional white preppie private universities. You can only get into the 3 branches of government if you went and graduated from a public university and the banning of lobbying.

You term out after you reach 60 or lose touch with reality, whichever comes first.

Anyone sencond this?

Cheney is dead wrong. Deficits DO matter. $500,000,000,000 a year in interest on the national debt is criminal. Just slightly less than we spend on defense.

When your taxes DO finally have to go up, blame the ones that caused it to happen, not the Dems. Sooner or later you gotta pay the piper - and NOT from money you borrowed yet again to pay the piper as Bush and the GOP controlled Congress did.

Not to mention the trade deficits have also doubled since the GOP finally got their turn.

Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2008-04-04 02:55 PM |

One thing worth mentioning here is that the interest on a majority of our debt is being held by............................
......................
CHINA!

Yes China! So the interest we pay on our federal debt is going into the pockets of the Chinese gov't who then in turn funnel it into gov't run companies who use this to buy major shares in major US financial companies. I forsee total Chinese takeover in less than 100 years.

Good luck whities.

When your taxes DO finally have to go up, blame the ones that caused it to happen, not the Dems.

Posted by AMERICANUNITY

The biggest piece of our budget is entitlments. That ain't from any war.

FDR wouldn't have called on our fear every other day. He's have told us "we have nothing to fear but fear itself". He rallied the nation after Pearl Harbor. Bush didn't. He brought out the worst in us rather than the best.

Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2008-04-04 06:55 AM


I am sure there are many Japanese Americans who would call you a fool. Unless of course you forgot about the camps.

FDR screwed up in a big way with the internment camps. But let's not bad-mouth FDR if we're on the rightie side of the aisle which probably would not merely have interned, but shot the slant-eyed traitorous commies to boot. herm

Good luck whities.

Posted by teeznutz at 2008-04-04 03:21 PM

Thank you!

"It's always funny that the Anarchists and "less government" crowd seem to side with the democrats . . . "

I side with neither gang, never have, so I'm not so sure what you're talking about here. If you'd like to point out instances from this web site where you feel I've supported democrats feel free, me thinks ye might just be pissing in the wind though.

"You're right. Both sides have done nothing but increase the size of government, but that isn't an excuse to not vote. . . .
Posted by Axiom at. . . "

I really had no idea that I needed an excuse to not participate in choosing which gang gets the honor and privilege of running the protection racket for the next 4 years. Who knew ? ? ? Who do I need to submit my excuse to? Does iit need to be in writing, or is it a thing where there's a number that I have to call on election day and pretend to be sick or to be having car trouble or whatever? Wow, I've never done that one time since I've been elegible to "vote." Is there some kind of "no call no show" policy? If so I'm sssssooooo screwed . . .