One ring to redact them all.

The Distraction by the Clintons about the significance of April 15th is pure and simple bullshit.

We are waiting for 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005 and 2006 tax records, while they are pretending that it's just last year's return that is going to be revealed "by April 15th".

This is so typical of the Clinton Deflection Program.

She thought she would have the nomination locked up before any of this stuff about how much dosh they have made and what they did with it becomes public. When it happens, if it happens, we may have some insight into what Hillary really cares about and thinks about every day.

Whaaaaat?

I thought that Billary said that they would release these months ago!

*wondering how Seaton Cork is going to spin this one*

Well, McCain hasn't released his medical records. -Some forthcoming Clinton supporter retort

Where's Corky through all this? Did his/her head implode during the whole Bosnia sniper fire thing?

Don't worry, Billary will get right on that. After all, she's a fighter!

Where's Corky through all this? Did his/her head implode during the whole Bosnia sniper fire thing?

Posted by ddenton

She's now known as "Seaton Beggs".

Didn't you hear?

Their tax records were destroyed by sniper fire when they flew to Bosnia to protest NAFTA...yeah, that's the ticket!

Spud,

I don't think Washington had anything much to do with that other than to make their standard operating practice more profitable. You won't find their methods any different when they were in Arkansas...they just had smaller numbers attached to them. The Clintons have never been for anything except themselves. Why it took so many people so long to see that, I don't know. Guess people see what they want to.

Now, turn that newly-sharpened mind on Oblama and tell me what you see!

"
Well, McCain hasn't released his medical records. -Some forthcoming Clinton supporter retort"

Posted by wisgod at 2008-04-04 02:10 PM


YEAH!

Or perhaps from someone with a modicum of "principle" still left in their poor little existence!

Or perhaps from someone with a modicum of "principle" still left in their poor little existence!

Posted by Redneckville

We'll wait while you try to find someone.

Drudge Report today says the Clintons have earned more than $100 MILLION since leaving the White House. Sooooo shady! How does a life long politician and his wife accumulate that kind of wealth legitimately? Hillary carries on about how bad the rich and greedy are and she and Bill are amongst America's super rich and super greedy. Typical liberal Democrat hyporcrisy.

They never will.

Sniper-prescient and wrong as usual. Go to Drudge for links to Time.

109 million in income since 2000, 31% paid in taxes and 10 mill in charitable donations. Bubba made 51 mill speaking. Both made a bunch on book deals.

Fuck.

But legal.

Yeah the Clintons paid their fair taxes and didn't try any cute structing. They also donated 10% to charity. All in all quite commendable for members of the super wealthy.

I assume they held off reporting their taxes since it would make it real hard to beg for donations. And it will

What money ? She is a fucking commie , she's not suppose to have money . marxist are suppose to give everything to the people . Come on bitch we are waiting .

Clinton's report nearly $109.2 million in income for seven years in newly released tax data.
The Democratic presidential candidate and her husband paid $33.8 million in taxes from 2000 through 2007.


That's 31% in taxes. Anyone here want to say that the rich don't pay enough taxes? I thought those 'tax breaks for the wealthy' would have surely knocked it down to at least 15%.

$109 million! Good lord.

No wonder she didn't want to release her income taxes -- hardly someone who can relate to the needs and financial worries of average middle class Americans.

Sooo what no big deal.

Now Al Gore's income, now there's a story!!!!

$109 million! Good lord.

----

Yea and it was earned via hot air from career politicians.

I'd like to see where the money for Bill's foundation and Presidential library came from. THAT's more interesting to me. After reading about the shady titanium deal in Azerbaijan his friend (who'd never seen titanium before) got the deal with the plutocrat who runs the country thanks to Bill, it made me very curious.

The annual disclosures do not require Sen. Clinton to fully report her husband's income, which obscures the picture of how much the former president has made in his business dealings with longtime friends and fundraisers.

So there's more?

Well, we know they'll be alright.

I doubt I'll get an answer, but I really would LOVE to hear someone defend their position that Bush iplemented tax cuts for the wealthy. We have been shown, with no room for doubt, that the Clinton's paid 31% in taxes. I really want to hear how they were given a break.

You can stop your 'tax breaks for the wealthy' chants any time now. That goes for the lying Obama too.

I have a feeling that the TBFTW crowd will be very silent on this thred.

No wonder she didn't want to release her income taxes -- hardly someone who can relate to the needs and financial worries of average middle class Americans.

Posted by CalifChris at 2008-04-04 05:18 PM | Reply |

None of them can.

"You can stop your 'tax breaks for the wealthy' chants any time now. That goes for the lying Obama too."

Everlong, again you don't have a clue. They were hit with wage taxes. Which are still ridiculously low compared to any western country outside of some Swiss Cantons. Second of all established wealthy in the US are heavily invested and pay only 15% LCG tax. Which is ridiculously low.

Let's keep in mind that this doesn't include donations for the library, the campaigns, a plethora of "little" gifts, including cash under the table and naturally Bimbos for Bubba.

EVERLONG

At 31% gee, they had $76 milion left over. Reckon they could live on that? How many groceries, clothes, or tanks of gas do you need? Not more than any other person. Everything beyond living expenses and retirement is pure luxury.

CorkBegg, where are you? Come out of hiding ya wanker!

Most wealthy people make most of their money from investment income, which at the newly Bush lowered rates is 15%. So there!

Last comment to Everlong

That's 31% in taxes. Anyone here want to say that the rich don't pay enough taxes? I thought those 'tax breaks for the wealthy' would have surely knocked it down to at least 15%.

Posted by everlong


Genius, it's the income that's not actually earned as income that makes the wealthy even more wealthy.

Google "Warren Buffet CEO Challenge" and get learning...

Hillary carries on about how bad the rich and greedy are and she and Bill are amongst America's super rich and super greedy. Typical liberal Democrat hyporcrisy.

And if you're making $75,000 a year or less the actual percentage of you income is close to 40% when you factor in SSDI.

My wife and I make over that, but we paid about 38% of our income to the government.

The Clinton's total SSDI payments would have been 15.5% X $750,000 (5 years X $75K X 2), or roughly $120,000 on $109,000,000 in income - a little over 1% in SSDI

The wealthiest 10% of Americans make their money from investment income taxed at a 15% rate.

Only CEO's pay taxes on earned income (salary), and much of that is on stock options which are again tallied as capitol gains taxed at a 15% rate, right? They're not payint 31% on all their money. Only the salary portion.

1/10th of 1% Excuse me.

Not 1% in SSDI for the Clinton's.

So, between SSDI and a 31% income tax rate on earned income they paid a smaller percentage on their income than my wife and I did.

Wealthy Americans who primarily make their money off investment income are taxed at half the rate I pay.

At 31% gee, they had $76 milion left over. Reckon they could live on that? How many groceries, clothes, or tanks of gas do you need? Not more than any other person. Everything beyond living expenses and retirement is pure luxury.Americanunity

This is communist thinking at its core.

Furio, 31%. They paid 33.2 million in taxes and you want to spout about other western countries. Who cares about other western countries!?! We aren't anyone else but America. Of course there are write offs, you have them too.

33 miilion and 31% and you still want more. Just admit it, you're jealous of rich people and are upset because your dreams of making it big didn't materialize. Hey, I didn't turn out anywhwere near as rich as I thought I would. In fact, I'm not rich at all, but I don't hold it against those who are, and I KNOW that they pay plenty of taxes for this country. Not to mention they employ this country.

Last comment to Everlong

Posted by AMERICANUNITY


And to what do I owe this fine news? I don't care what they made in other places. They still paid taxes on that too and they still paid 33.2 million on the 109 million. You people want a country of wealth redistribution. You think that no one should be wealthier than the next. It is not that sort of thinking that made this country what it is. Of course, you don't like this country the way it is, which is why people call you socialists America haters and you are so baffled as to why.

10 million to chairitable causes. Damn near 10 percent.

Or slightly less than 8 percent more than the Obamas donate.

You go Hillary!

Well, if they plan a real tight budget, they might make out all right.

TAXES PAID: $33,783,507

The Clintons paid $33,783,507 in federal taxes - 31% of their adjusted gross income. According to the most recent data available from the IRS, in 2005 taxpayers earning $10,000,000 or more paid on average 20.8% of their adjusted gross income in taxes.
======================
I guess they need more deductions.

Oh, and one more thing, if Obama gets his way, Americanunity, you will be paying an even higher percentage. It was higher under Clinton and it will be higher under either democrat. The ugly fact of the matter is that the bulk of the taxes will always come from the middle class because that's where the bulk of the money is. But don't persecute rich people becuase they made it. Like I said, they still pay their share of taxes.

The thing is, people like you would like a person who makes 50 million a year to pay 49 million of it in taxes, because, 'that's all they need to get by on'. Yet, you never mention that these are the people who run businesses where everyone else works and earns their money.

Your thinking is twisted and belongs in North Korea.

"Who cares about other western countries!?! We aren't anyone else but America."

Everlong,

Well there is a reason why the US is massively in debt. Taxes are too low and spending is too high. The dollar sucks and has caused oil to go way up along with every other globally traded commodity. You are now paying tax through dollar depreciation and the related cost of living inflation.

Get it finally?

10 million to chairitable causes. Damn near 10 percent.

Or slightly less than 8 percent more than the Obamas donate.


You go Hillary!

Posted by Kris_P_Bacon at 2008-04-04 06:12 PM

i wouldn't be so quick with that one there, KPB. Wat until you see which "charities"they donate to... I doubt very seriously that much of that 10mil travelled very far from their own pockets one way or another...

I really cannot stand the Clintons and the fact that they tried to hide this for so long just gives me more justification for my feelngs. I hope they get burnt and humilated on a grand scale, soon.

The Clintons are Rock Stars, an Rock Stars get paid the big bucks, deal with it. As a former President, Mr. Bill is wanted as a guest speaker all over the World. Unlike this dumb fuck Bush, Clinton is well liked all over the World.

If you Right Wing Assholes want to spin something spin this, Rudy G., that fucking asshole from New York City, has made $50,000,000 since 9/11. The Clintons earned there money the American way, they earned it....RUDY, baby earned his on the deaths of 3,000 on 9/11. That is a fucking disgrace!!!!!

"You are now paying tax through dollar depreciation and the related cost of living inflation."

Nailed it.

Furio, do you think you told me something I don't know? The only thing you got wrong is that taxes are too low. If you think that raising our taxes would do anything to help the economic situation you are delusional. The ONLY thing higher taxes would do is create even more spending than we already have.

I hate the way Bush has handled the economy except for the tax cuts. He has abandonded fiscal conservatism and it is largely due to the fact that he's passed every damn thing that has come across his desk. However, placing more taxes on the rich, or anyone, is not the answer. And your belief that the rich don't pay their fair share is ludicrous.

EVERLONG

Don't whine to me about someone earning $76,000,000

You completely bypassed MY point that most very wealthy people DON'T pay 31%. They pay 15% on investment income and capitol gains.

A person making $75,000 a year pays close to 40% including SSDI.

The very wealthy pay FAR less a percentage of their income than middle class taxpayers.

Period.

$76,000,000 AFTER taxes.

YOU think it's just fine we're massively in debt - largely due to horrible fiscal management by the GOP and a war we never should have fought.

We've BORROWED that money. We're BORROWING the money to pay the interest in the money we BOWWOWED

Don't be ridiculous The GOP has said one thing in public and done a completely opposite thing in reality.

Furio, one of these days sit down and actually add up the different taxes you are paying. Not the amount just the number of different taxes. Get your water, cable, and electric bills, add in any state or local taxes and then your federal. If you think you aren't taxed enough then please feel free to spend an extra 20 bucks a month on all of these things to help yourself feel better.

"I hate the way Bush has handled the economy except for the tax cuts. "

He also cut federal funding for just about everything imaginable except the military and homeland security which are wasted in my book. I can deal with an asshole and a box cutter but if I get accidently red flagged by the government I'm screwed for life. The post-WW2 high taxes allowed highway and infrastructure creation on a huge scale that everyone benefits from. Now there is almost no money to maintain and fix what was created.

Expect some more bridge collapses coming soon to a town near you!

Americanunity, if you are paying 40% in taxes then you are a complete idiot. It would serve you well to get an accountant. It would cost you far less in the long run.

I really cannot stand the Clintons and the fact that they tried to hide this for so long just gives me more justification for my feelngs. I hope they get burnt and humilated on a grand scale, soon. Posted by bellaspapa at 2008-04-04 06:30 PM
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"they tried to hide this for so long..." not so long about 10 days

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Obama Releases His 2000-2006 Tax Returns, Demands Hillary Release Hers
By Greg Sargent - March 25, 2008, 11:43AM

Obama spokesperson Tommy Vietor emailed out word that Obama had posted his tax returns for 2000-2006 on his campaign web site.

And I thought politicians worked for very little money.

How in the hell does a retired politician earn $109 million in that short of time? One of you libs care to explain that?

And the rich get richer! I thought that only applied to them damn republicans. They are the money grubbing bastards.

"Furio, one of these days sit down and actually add up the different taxes you are paying. Not the amount just the number of different taxes. Get your water, cable, and electric bills, add in any state or local taxes and then your federal. If you think you aren't taxed enough then please feel free to spend an extra 20 bucks a month on all of these things to help yourself feel better."

Everlong, you need to pay common fees to live in society. Nothing is free in the world. Up until Bush time your average person had an amazing amount of free money to spend in reltation to the rest of the world. This was due to previous investments in socially shared services like water, elec, gas, highways, bridges, blah, blah, blah. See previous post about how all this shit is now falling apart due to lack of budget for regular maintenance. Replacements? Real freaking expensive. Except highway tolls on everything in the US in a few years.

Except=Expect highway tolls...

Everlong,

Bush has quickly shifted the US into a "use tax" economy. Pay as you go. Sure you have lower taxes but the costs of services will go up. It's great for the rich since they effectively stop paying "use tax" very quickly and are able to keep their effective tax rate very low. So the schmucks making less than $150k now pay far more percentage wise and pain in tax (and use tax) than the rich do.

As a side note speeding tickets in Finland are set as a percentage of your annual income so everyone feels relatively equal pain in the penalty. Great idea. "Mr. Clinton that will be $100,000 for doing 50 in a 45 zone."

EVERLONG

How many times do I need to type "Including SS?".

In case you don't know what that is, it's a 15.5% tax you pay in the first $75,000 of income.

If you pay 22.5% income tax rate and 15.5% SS as we did that's 38% of our income that went to taxes. WITHHOLDING TAXES are TAXES.

Get it?

How in the hell does a retired politician earn $109 million in that short of time? One of you libs care to explain that?

Posted by Sniper at 2008-04-04 06:49 PM
==========================
Sniper you asked...

CUMULATIVE TOTAL(GROSS) INCOME: $109,175,175 2000-2007

Including, among other items:give or take $23,000,000
* Senator Clinton's Senate Salary: $1,051,606
* President Clinton's Presidential Pension: $1,217,250
* Senator Clinton's Book Income: $10,457,083
* President Clinton's Book Income: $29,580,525
* President Clinton's Speech Income: $51,855,599

AFTER TAX EARNINGS: $57,157,297

The wealthy only pay SS withholding on the first $75,000 and 15% on investment income.

Is that clear enough for you to understand?

They pay LESS a percentage on their income than I do.

I make EARNED income.

MMIKE

That's $76,000,000 after taxes.

$109,000,000 - $33,000,000 paid in taxes = $76,000,000

And hey, I don't begrudge them a dime of it. Just don't tell the public you understand the plight of the middle class, Bill and Hill. You haven't been middle class in decades

I really dont think there are too many people who didnt think that they werent making a ton of money, are there?
of course you might not if you arent political sluts like us here on the DR.

YOU think it's just fine we're massively in debt - largely due to horrible fiscal management by the GOP and a war we never should have fought.

We've BORROWED that money. We're BORROWING the money to pay the interest in the money we BOWWOWED

Don't be ridiculous The GOP has said one thing in public and done a completely opposite thing in reality.

Posted by AMERICANUNITY

It's only the GOP that did that? You better do a little research before you make another stupid statement like that.

I respect their 10% (roughly) charitable donations.

My dad was big on tithing his income, although he couldn't afford it and never claimed it on his income tax, as he said "it wouldn't be giving if I did". His own reasoning.

AU got the 57+ figure from HC's web site do not know why there's a difference.

"It's only the GOP that did that? You better do a little research before you make another stupid statement like that."

Let's see...Under Carter budget surplus. Under Reagan and Pappy Bush budget deficit. Under Clinton budget surplus. Under Bush (shrub) budget deficit.

Research complete.

Nice to have this released the same day as Hillary promises to appoint "A POVERTY CZAR"

Thanks.

Good for them. The beauty of this country is that one can make it big.

AU got the 57+ figure from HC's web site do not know why there's a difference.

Posted by mmike

I think I know why. They filed an extension on their 2007 taxes. Probably didn't include that 20 million they earned last year.

I make EARNED income.

Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2008-04-04 07:01 PM


So did they, book sales, speaking fees and political positions. Bet I can do/live without whatever you're selling to. You ain't as important a spoke in the wheel as you think, pal.... Just like the Clintons, when you die the ole world will keep a turning without your contribution too.

You're whiney ass little bitch that is only pissed you aren't as creative or cunning to get people to buy what your selling. Including your employer.

Translation..... You're a covetor.

KRIS P

You hae no clue what I do. Happens to be in the creative sector, and I've worked in the major leage level since I was 22.

For you to make such a pissy little retort just shows what a sniveling little bitch you are. My comment was a retort to someone saying their tax rate shows the 'wealthy' pay 31%. My point (which you completely missed) is that most do not. They pay 15% on investment income.

Fuck off bitch.

Which, as Warren Buffet and Bill Gates say is less than most people pay. Especially factoring the 15.5 SS tax.

Fuck off you whiny little bitch

Or go fuck yourself. For someone who lives with their parents you're not an impressive little shit at all

"Just like the Clintons, when you die the ole world will keep a turning without your contribution too."

Krispy, you're not getting suicidal on us thinking that life is meaningless now are you? If so can I have your records?

Just a thunk, isn't Citigroup one of those evil, sub-prime lenders that Hillary is gonna git?

Other than that, I would like to see exactly where them there charitable contributions are going to, other than that, I am gonna defer to our resident tax experts on this board (Taxman et. al.). If anyone can make head or tail of these documents then they can. (Like what are all those foreign tax credits, and what is a blind trust?)

Oh) The other things you notice how many collaberating and speech writing fees they have? Just thought that was interesting :)

I'm more interested in who donated to Bill's foundation and presidential library.

The story of rank Giustra, the guy who donated $3 million to Bill's foundation after Bill took him along on a trip to Kazakhstan and secured a contract to mine uranium - a business he'd never been in before - raises a lot of questions.

Bill's raised close to a billion between his charitable interests. I'd like to know who THOSE people are.

I don't begrudge them a penny they earned, but we need to know who've been benefactors to Bill's interests. If Gustra is any indication it could make for interesting reading

Frank Giustra

Kazakhstan's president is a known despot with an iron grip on the country too. A dictator.

I love these democraps always complaining about private companies CEO's salaries. I am a conservative who does not care how much Hillary or any CEO makes. Instead of us complaining that few people are getting richer lets go ahead and find ways to become competitive.

If you hate Wal-Mart well go ahead and open up a retail store such as Wal-Mart and see how easy that is.

America instead of complaining over other peoples' hard work, think of people like me who loves these corporation because " THEY PAY MY BILLS".

SCREW YOU LIBS......all of YOU..
Who are you fooling? ohhh we worry for the poor..
Obama - Milionare
Clinton- Millionare
Edwards-Millionare
Kerry-Billionare
Gore-Millionare

Wake up fools
They deserve to become millionares because they work hard to lie to you

Arkansas hicks make good. This just goes to show how the Country rewards misrepresentation, lying, stealing, adultry, rape, assault, perjury, murder and, um... "I just don't remember".

The somplaint isn't about how much someone makes. It's about them paying their fair share. Offshore tax shelters and manipulation are rampant. Even Warren Buffet, America's richest man, says it isn't fair he pays less than his secretary.

You don't read threads before you comment do you?

And it's HIGHLY unfair when the CEO of Home Depot makes $340,000,000 for losing the company money. He made more per hour than most employees made in a year

Iin Japan CEO's make 20X's the average hourly worker. Somehow they manage LOL

CEO's are grossly overcompensated. Even the Countrywide Mortgage management, the company that just went belly up from issuing questionable loans, are walking away with golden parachutes worth multiple millions despite running the company into the ground.

CM you're a NeoCon idiot.

Arkansas hicks make good. This just goes to show how the Country rewards misrepresentation, lying, stealing, adultry, rape, assault, perjury, murder and, um... "I just don't remember".


It's the free amrket in all its glory, baby!

The Rightg should be cheering Bill and Hillary's entrepreneurial spirit.

Bush will end up having to pay people to listen to him speak.

They will pay Him to keep silent and to go away.

Larry Mohr

$109 is a ton of money but it's not an outrageous amount when you think it was for eight years since the Clintons left office. Bill Clinton made a lot of money giving speeches and Hillary wrote a couple of books -- stuff all former Presidents and their spouses do.

The Clintons' money apparently was all made legally, they paid a huge chunk of it in taxes and gave more than $10 million to charity. No big deal.

"In case you don't know what that is, it's a 15.5% tax you pay in the first $75,000 of income."

Close.

It's 15.3%, and for 2008, it's on the first $102,000 of income. Above that, and it's just the 1.45% for Medicare.

But that means the American paying the largest percentage of his income in taxes isn't the millionaire or the billionaire: it's the wage earner making $102,000 a year.

Where did they report the $2 million dollars that bubba took to "consult" on the Dubai Ports deal? Wonder if the Hildebeast has any "consulting" fees...

It's 15.3%, and for 2008, it's on the first $102,000 of income

And you split that with you employer if you are not self employed.

I am free lance. I pay the whole 15.5 myself

DANFORTH

Thanks for the number - $103,000. I wasn't exactly sure but my wife and I filed a joint return and we had to send a pile of money for self employment tax. Our accountant took every writeoff he could find, but the total we ended up paying was like 39 percent of our income at the end of the day.

Pretty much Hil and Bill make an average of 48,000 a day? More then a lot of people including myself make in a year. Oh, but not to worry....she feels our pain! Sheesh! She is so damn arrogant that she even has the nerve to joke about her lie about Bosnia on Leno and the world laughs and says aww look how cute and human she is! Yeah like a rattlesnake!

I think I know why. They filed an extension on their 2007 taxes. Probably didn't include that 20 million they earned last year.
Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2008-04-04 08:13 PM
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Think your right here's the 2007 estimate...
===================

The Clintons will seek an extension of time to file their 2007 tax return, as they have for
the past 3 years, because they are waiting to receive information related to partnership
income, including investments made by the Trustees of their Blind Trust. The Blind
Trust was unblinded on April 27, 2007 and the assets, with the exception of U.S. treasury
notes and federal bonds, were sold on May 11, 2007. The tax information in this release
is based upon the best estimates of the Clintons' tax attorney.


Senator Hillary Clinton and President Bill Clinton have paid $5,100,000 in federal
income taxes on an estimated total income of $20,400,000 for 2007. They will not pay
additional taxes when they file their extension.


Senator Clinton and President Clinton made more than $3,000,000 in charitable
contributions in 2007, including $1,000,000 from the proceeds of President Clinton's
book, Giving.
The Clintons' estimated 2007 total income includes, among other items:


Senator Clinton's salary $150,200
Senator Clinton's book royalties $152,864
President's Clinton's pension $186,600
President Clinton's book income $4,434,446
President Clinton's speeches $10,145,000
Partnership income $2,750,000
Advisor income from InfoUSA $400,000
Income from savings accounts $485,000
Investment income from Blind Trust $3,515,000
(The partnership, speeches and investment income above are estimated figures)


Information on the Clintons' 2007 estimated total income and federal tax
payments is provided by their tax attorney, Howard M. Topaz of Hogan & Hartson.

I don't see anything illegal in the Clinton income.

I see a lot of jealous, petty people who weren't going to vote for her anyway.

Let me speak for her as I laugh in your stupid faces and tell you to fuck off.

;-)

All charitable donations were to the Clinton foundation!

public service does pay

Chump change compared to edwards and gore!!

I don't see anything illegal in the Clinton income.

I see a lot of jealous, petty people who weren't going to vote for her anyway.

Let me speak for her as I laugh in your stupid faces and tell you to fuck off.

;-)

Too much time in DC have turned the Clintons into a pair of money grubbing, privitising, globalists with a pro-corporate and anti-people agenda.
Do. Not. Want.
/obligatory
Be Well.
Posted by dethspud


And you that's not counting the theft of WH furniture!

The Clintons are Rock Stars, an Rock Stars get paid the big bucks, deal with it. As a former President, Mr. Bill is wanted as a guest speaker all over the World. Unlike this dumb fuck Bush, Clinton is well liked all over the World.

If you Right Wing Assholes want to spin something spin this, Rudy G., that fucking asshole from New York City, has made $50,000,000 since 9/11. The Clintons earned there money the American way, they earned it....RUDY, baby earned his on the deaths of 3,000 on 9/11. That is a fucking disgrace!!!!!

Posted by celisary


CEL - pull your head out and get some fresh air, will ya? These attacks on the Clintons look heartily bipartisan to me.

SCREW YOU LIBS......all of YOU..
Who are you fooling? ohhh we worry for the poor..
Obama - Milionare
Clinton- Millionare
Edwards-Millionare
Kerry-Billionare
Gore-Millionare

Wake up fools

Don't blame the liberals for this mess.

If I remember correctly, it was John McCain -- a Republican -- who pushed for campaign finance reform and because of that made it impossible for anyone but the extremely wealthy to run for office. Now only individual donations of about $6000(?) can be given to any individual who runs for office thereby insuring that anyone now running for office have to be extremely wealthy themselves should they have to fund their campaign out of their own pocket.

Before, someone wealthy could donate to someone without a lot of money to help him run for office if the wealthy person felt that man/woman would make a good candidate. That would have allowed a lot of good and decent candidates -- but not in the millionaire category -- to get elected. Thanks to McCAIN that is no longer the case as the donations allowed from outside sources are miniscule and it takes a multi-millionaire who is able to dip into their own vast personal funds to get elected today.

Thank John "campaign finance reform" McCain for only the extremely wealthy being able to run for office anymore.

BuffaloBob

I don't see anything illegal in the Clinton income.

I see a lot of jealous, petty people who weren't going to vote for her anyway.

Let me speak for her as I laugh in your stupid faces and tell you to fuck off.


Even though I'm not a fan of any of the three running for President, I see we agree
as far as the legality of the money the Clintons have made. I posted similiar sentiments earlier on this thread:

Posted by CalifChris at 2008-04-04 05:18 PM |

Everlong, again you don't have a clue. They were hit with wage taxes. Which are still ridiculously low compared to any western country outside of some Swiss Cantons. Second of all established wealthy in the US are heavily invested and pay only 15% LCG tax. Which is ridiculously low.

Posted by furio

but what YOU dont take into account are all the insidious smaller taxes that add up incrementally make the US on par with some of the higher taxed countries since we dont get perks like socialized medicine or wages for having kids.

lets add up a few..

state and local tax
sales tax
property tax
personal property tax
fuel tax
and the list keeps going on and on..

the 15% you are talking about are dividends NOT in an IRA account.

So, between SSDI and a 31% income tax rate on earned income they paid a smaller percentage on their income than my wife and I did.

Wealthy Americans who primarily make their money off investment income are taxed at half the rate I pay.

Posted by AMERICANUNITY

they paid 34 MILLION in taxes not including state and local.

How much are you whining douche bags paying in taxes?

I swear you crybabies would whine about ANYTHING..
The only thing that would make you happy is if the government took all the money and gave it to the American people. Sounds like sour grapes.

KRIS P

You hae no clue what I do. Happens to be in the creative sector, and I've worked in the major leage level since I was 22.

For you to make such a pissy little retort just shows what a sniveling little bitch you are. My comment was a retort to someone saying their tax rate shows the 'wealthy' pay 31%. My point (which you completely missed) is that most do not. They pay 15% on investment income.

Fuck off bitch.

Posted by AMERICANUNITY

whiney bitch..are you a fluffer in gay porn?

Everlong, you need to pay common fees to live in society. Nothing is free in the world. Up until Bush time your average person had an amazing amount of free money to spend in reltation to the rest of the world. This was due to previous investments in socially shared services like water, elec, gas, highways, bridges, blah, blah, blah. See previous post about how all this shit is now falling apart due to lack of budget for regular maintenance. Replacements? Real freaking expensive. Except highway tolls on everything in the US in a few years.

Posted by furio

no its not free dumb ass.. its called prioritizing. The waste that is prevelant on the current taxes collected is enormous.. less taxes not more is needed.

" April 5 (Bloomberg) -- Former President Bill Clinton has earned $15.4 million from billionaire Ron Burkle's Yucaipa Cos. investment firm since 2003, according to tax documents released by his wife, presidential candidate Hillary Clinton.

The earnings represent 20 percent of the approximately $75 million Bill Clinton earned during the same period, according to the documents. That may raise new questions about what services he performed for Los Angeles-based Yucaipa, whose investors include the ruler of Dubai, Sheikh Mohammed Bin Rashid al- Maktoum. `Most people who make that much money work for it,'' said Yale University tax law professor Michael Graetz, a former Treasury Department official in President George H.W. Bush's administration. ``What are they being paid for, and if it's the Sheikh of Dubai paying the husband of somebody who might be the next president of the United States, what do they think they're paying for?''

The Clintons' money apparently was all made legally, they paid a huge chunk of it in taxes and gave more than $10 million to charity. No big deal.

Posted by CalifChris at


yeah BUT as a couple have hinted at..
heres a word for you

yacaipa.......blowjob works for them and is paid a ton...and what does he do? nothing but open doors and thats probably good for yacaipa but what else does he do?
and I dont understand why we cant know just who sent him a check in the mail for the
BILL CLINTON LIBRARY AND MASSAGE PARLOR?
whats the problem with us knowing who gave money for that?

and one thing that this definitly lays to rest and thats the old liberal whining point of republicans being the only rich people who that the dems are just a bunch of vow of poverty saints who work for the poor and downtrodden.

Warren Buffet, America's richest man, is voting for Obama. He happens to be a huge advocate for the middle class. In fact, he's dumbstruck that he pays a lower tax rate than his secretary.

Stick to teaching band BL2

I would if it paid as much as being a figurehead for a corporatation who deals in the middle east or maybe contributes to a presidential library ( because of just what FAVOR to who????)
hell if it paid more than 4 or 5 bucks an hour would be okay too.
but alas, there just isnt time. it takes a lot of time and work to lose at the track.
and of course we have heard this schitck from him before.......and as we have said all along....he doesnt pay his secretary enough...

"...he doesnt pay his secretary enough..."

Says someone who doesn't know the first thing about the market. Buffett's secretary is paid handsomely. But Warren's right: a higher percentage of her income goes for taxes than his.

I dont buy the buffett comment because he could be leaving out all sorts of things about taxes and still be telling the quote...truth.....dont even try and tell me that the richest man in the world doesnt have lawyers working the books to cut down on taxes. I would imagine that there are all sorts of ways he could pay less taxes and still be able to get on the air and give us this shit about his secretary.....

Yes Buffett pays less, because he choses to. He could pay himself a salary and pay more in tax then her. But he choses to take his earnings in dividends, so he can pay less.

Then he gifted 35 BILLION to the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation, so he didn't have to pay a DIME in inheritance taxes. And you can be SURE there are VERY HEFTY benefits to him and his heirs providing services to that foundation. It's another clever way to avoid taxes.

In fact just like nancy pelosi and T. Heinz Kerry pay less then 20% in taxes, you can be sure Buffett has a cadre of lawyers who would shelter his income if his rate went much over 20%. He'd skirt the laws you and I have to abide by, and act like he's for the middle class....

Shucks, everyone knows that the Clintons entered politics motivated by altruismn, but were made cynical by the types they encountered, who were pursuing base agendas rather than noble ends.

Ye of little faith.

You done good, Bill.
You done good, Hill.

And just because you did not conform to the image prescribed by these dupes who worshipped you, is their problem, not yours. Self-deception is a terrible thing to have destroyed.

Politicians usually have agendas, and the question is, "What have you done for me 'lately?'" It is only fanatics motivated by abstract principles, who are recruited to participate in activities that may indeed be antithetical to their own interests, fanatics who do not understand the political system. The system is used by practitioners for their own concrete benefit. The dialogue and the principles are incidental to practical goals.

So, white folk support a racist black creep such as Obama without regard to the reasonably projected effect on themselves. It's a "feel good" action for some, similar to using dope. Spector patronized prostitutes without gauging other than the immediate consequences.

The "lesser of two evils," or "what will be best for me" considering the options, is the rational man's determination, and it governs his choice. The dupe is obsessed with a delusion and impelled to act on it.

Ah, the disillusioned.

The Rezkos of the world pay for what they anticipate they will get in the form of benefits. These aren't gratuities or based on charitable impulse, or the politicians would only be random recipients of "help" due to 'friendship," rather than commanding such a disproportionate amount. The distribution of disbursements is not a miracle.

With the Clintons it was a high stakes game to seecure their favor. And you don't always win. Sometimes there is more than one contender, er bidder, for the prize that the pol is able to nudge in a particular direction. And sometimes the pol fails. I'll bet a dollar to a doughnut that these contributors hedged their bets.

Oh wait, a doughnut can be a dollar nowadays. Well, I'll give two to one odds.

Isn't Gore an overachiever? What is the value of the gift of stock that Google made to him? Wasn't it more than the Clintons have amassed to date? And Gore's now also a board member of Google, isn't he?

Political cover can be expensive. Remember what happened to Bill Gates and Microsoft when the government at the behest and in the interest of business competitors who were generous to politicians, attacked Microsoft. Bill Gates is bright and a fast learner, and now he too recognizes that being in a business requires generosity to politicians, so he's in the game.

You just go out and get jazzed up and attend rallies and donate money to people to whom your only value is your "help," and they get it for free. Whoopee. Have fun. And then they can proceed with the serious business.

"Yes Buffett pays less, because he choses to."

No, it's because the system is purposely set up that way.

"He could pay himself a salary and pay more in tax then her."

You obviously don't understand the issue: it isn't the amount of tax, it's the tax burden as a percentage of income. The person in America paying the highest percentage of his income in taxes isn't the millionaire or the billionaire. It's the W-2 worker earning $102,000 a year. Even if Buffett paid himself in salary, his secretary would still be paying a larger percentage of her income in taxes than he would.

"He'd skirt the laws you and I have to abide by..."

Total bullshit. They're the same laws which apply to all of us.

Did Pres. Reagan Make Millions when he left Office because of his Popularity? I remember he made $2,000,000 for a speech in Japan, I don't remember you right wings Assholes, questioning that sweet deal. An thats when 2 million was real money. I don't believe that President Clinton ever made a Speech for 2 million, but than again he's the whipping boy from Arkansas that really gets to these Fucking Partisians Repubs, Go Billy GO!!!!!

Do any of you Right Wings Assholes, realize that Rudy Guiliani has made over $50,000,000 since 9/11, this was to be your Presidential Candidate, an he made all of this money on the back of the dead bodies of 3,000 People. NOW that is a FUCKING DISGRACE!!!!!

In fact just like nancy pelosi and T. Heinz Kerry pay less then 20% in taxes, you can be sure Buffett has a cadre of lawyers who would shelter his income if his rate went much over 20%. He'd skirt the laws you and I have to abide by, and act like he's for the middle class....

Posted by DavetheWave at



yes this is what I was geting at. Now I am not saying that he does it, but there have to be a lot of ways that he can get around paying what he does and then he can still come out with all of this sanctamonious stuff that liberals try to throw in our face.
and celis...I believe you are talking about the speach that e got ONLY one mill for and not long after that what did he do.......I believe he retired to his ranch and he also wasnt on the news all the time talking shit about clinton like carter and clinton talk about bush, but then he had manners.

you can be sure Buffett has a cadre of lawyers who would shelter his income if his rate went much over 20% dtw

Buffet pays CAPITAL GAINS TAX on his investments rather than income tax. That's why his rate is so low, and BTW avoids payroll taxes (FICA).

The same is true for all investors.

Good time to be a Trust Fund Baby.

Wall Street Bankers are doing just fine as well.