I was almost late in tuning in to the fight last night, thankfully I tuned in on time or I would have missed this fight!

To say that Houston was exposed is an overstatement. All sorts of good fighters get caught. Georges St Pierre got caught by Matt Serra. He came back and destroyed Matt Hughes, who would probably have beaten Serra. And St Pierre will be back to beat Serra soon, and Houston will be back to fight again too.

Houston was exposed in his previous fight mind you, with a more well rounded fighter.

Fighting is stoopid. Why not build up people instead of tearing them to shreds. Bunch of shit if You ask Me.

Larry Mohr

Just because you may not enjoy it doesn't mean it is stupid Larry.

Beating each others brains in isn't Stupid???? Get real.

Larry Mohr

Chocolate sucks. I like pistachio better.

Larry Mohr

It's a sport, Larry; it's not an emotional conflict. A lot of fighters are actually friends out of the cage. I do bjj and light sub fighting and it's a very intense and rewarding sport (and very useful in a street situation).

Larry,

Maybe you hate fighting so much because you were bullied as a child.

ya that happens ... there have been some short fights in ufc... on the other hand sometimes they just drag on when submission specialists wear each other down on the mat for 15 minutes. I like watching the Tank Abbots / Kimbo Slice type fighters.. explosive and ready to take a punch.

I missed this fight. Alexander throws bombs though so he'll be around the UFC for quite a while.
I did see Kenny "Ken flow" Florian beat Lauzon. I like both fighters and wish Joe would have done better. He's only 23 though.

Enter Sandman.

Exit Assassin.

Wow, that was fuggin' cool!

Ya know, maybe Houston Alexander oughta consider leaving MMA and trying his hand at being a bronco rider in the rodeo.

In that sport, lasting 8 seconds is considered pretty good.

^_^

Be Well.

Yup, is Spud, back like a bad penny and entering that e-octagon of blog battlin', the fierce and fiesty Drudge Retort, as ya do,
stage left.

Now that's a punch! I've got to use that one!

Houston Alexander.... you... you.. got knocked da fuck out!

Even better was Mirs face when he first saw Lesnar comin at him. Reminded me of some of Tysons early opponents. I give Mir lotsa credit for weathering the explosion and submitting him though.

larry someone should punch the shit out you just on principal

"Why not build up people instead of tearing them to shreds."
--LARRYMOHR

Or you can do both. Ever hear of good sportsmanship?

larry someone should punch the shit out you just on principal

Posted by robustpierre at 2008-04-03 01:49 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag:

Violence begets Violence. It never stops.

Larry Mohr

no just for fun

You want to see violent? Just step between Mohr and a bucket of KFC mother fucker!

Sweeeeeet.

Glad I didn't pay to attend that fight.

Not enough blood and violence.

In other words, snore

Cheers,
Walt

"You want to see violent? Just step between Mohr and a bucket of KFC mother fucker!"
--101CHAIRBORNE

Never get between a dog and his meat.

You want to see violent? Just step between Mohr and a bucket of KFC mother fucker!

Posted by 101Chairborne at 2008-04-03 02:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

LMFAO!

I am now trying to figure out which is more dangerous. Larry, or the Cholesterol.

With all due respect to the fighters, I hated the Dan Severn/Tank Abbot days in the UFC. Severn was/is a great wrestler, but he didn't know how to finish, and Tank was basically what his name implied. I remember watching the "big match" between these two, which was Abbot lying on his stomach and Severn on top elbowing and punching to the back of his head for 15 minutes. Severn was lost once he got the "pin."

Today's mma fighters are far more entertaining to watch, although I used to love the huge mismatched fights from the early days.

Howard Cosell, the only literate person ever involved with the boxing racket, severed his relationship with the game because it was (is) such an appalling blend of corruption and cruelty. That's good enough for me. herm

hermaphrodite,
There is a difference between boxing and UFC, but don't let that stop your old senile ass from speaking about shit you don't know.

Real cool... but WHERE"S THE VIDEO???!!!!??!?!?!?!

Where's the Vid?

In a Colorado ring thronging with his fans last night, Ultimate Fighting Championship fighter Houston Alexander was knocked out by James Irvin in eight seconds (see the video), the shortest bout in the sport's history. "Houston Alexander has been utterly exposed," Michael Rome declared on the blog.

Look up at the top of the page.

Click on the link wot sez SEE THE VIDEO.

Yer welcome.

Be Well.

NAMBLA, the only literate organization ever involved with the boy love racket, strengthened his relationship with the "game" because it was (is) such an appealing blend of corruption, cruelty and pleasure. That's good enough for me and my boy. herm

Posted by herm at 2008-04-03 02:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

It's funny when pacifist little wieners get on to show their contempt for something so natural and human. What is so abnormal for the males of a species to want to butt heads occasionally?

And from the comments, stuff like this clearly transcends political boundaries.

Oh yeah, where is says "see the video".
I guess that's pretty clear

LoD Just because Cavemen did it doesn't mean You have to also.

Larry

To me it doesn't look like the guy was knocked out, or that the ref should have called the fight. The guy fell because he missed his own punch, not because he got hit. Then he got hit a couple times and the ref jumped in. What's "ultimate" about that?

Joe, I thought the stoppage was pretty weak as well.

"LoD Just because Cavemen did it doesn't mean You have to also.

Larry"

Posted by LarryMohr

Cavemen, and every other generation of man since.

It's as human and natural as sex.

No way. Houston was unable to defend himself and was taking shots after being knocked down.

He was out for a second when the superman punch hit. Shots after being knocked out even for half a second can do serious brain damage, so ending the fight was a wise move.

Alex- the big punch was a miss. If anything it hit him in the shoulder. He fell because he missed his own big punch and was off-balance when he got popped. At least that's how I see it. Watch the super slow-mo.

What a wuss you are, Larry. I always knew you were different in some way but I could never put my finger on it until now.

*Insert best whiny gay voice* 'People shouldn't hit each other, it's so stupid.'- Larry the Wuss

I always knew you were different in some way but I could never put my finger on it until now.


Posted by everlong at 2008-04-03 03:20 PM | Reply

For real?

Most brutal fight (boxing) I watched on TV was Boom-Boom Mancini and Duk Koo Kim. Kim would not go down, and ended up dying after the fight. There's a video out there somewhere of a kick-boxer who breaks the other guy's leg - that's brutal as well.

"There's a video out there somewhere of a kick-boxer who breaks the other guy's leg - that's brutal as well."
--JOMAMA

Everytime I've seen that video, I just have to rub my kness, and show my legs that I appreciate them not folding backwards.

The ref made the right call.

It was a split-second judgement call. His job is to make sure no one gets permanently injured, and to him it looked like Alexander was in no position to defend himself.

I'll bet Alexander's secretly grateful to the ref, and thankful he'll be able to fight another day.

And yeah, I love UFC.

Houston was severly stunned..even if just for a second. Too bad we didn't get to see more, but I think the ref made the right call.

Ray Mercer/Tommy Morrison comes to mind.

Oh! It's sure gratifying to have the DR's two most (?) rigid troglodytes set me straight on the important stuff.

"set me straight"
--HERM

An impossible task.

You can't teach an old idealogue new tricks.

Apocalyto,
You, like hermaphrodite before you, have no idea what you're talking about.
The vast majority of the fighters in the UFC are highly skilled in numerous martialarts. Many of them have won championships in their respective disciplines.

Do you always comment on things you've never watched?

My gawd, they're squawking over the method used pounding each other into dirt. Sort of like the various brands of auto races. It's still mechanized vehicles going in circles until someone pukes. herm

Give me a break, 101, I haven't been here that long.

The decadents want to tranform human beings into something that conforms to their emasculated image of "men." It won't work. Nature has created a blueprint, and violence is part of natural man. It's how we evolved, and why we survived, and also an appearance of strength in men helps attract mates.

Er, that's for those who as males are interested in females.

Apocalypto: The current breed of mma fighters arose from the many disciplines of which you refer. The premise of the UFC was to pit each discipline against one another to see which system was best. Right off the bat, it was clear that grappling (specifically, Brazilian/Gracie jiu-jitsu) was superior to the striking arts in general. The bjj practicioner was good enough with strikes to get close enough for a shoot, and once the fight went to the ground, it was over quickly. Today's mma fighters are schooled in striking as well as in grappling/bjj; they are extremely well rounded and as Chair stated many of them hold high belts in numerous arts such as kickboxing, Muay-Tai, etc. Go search YouTube for Royce Gracie vs. Kung-Fu master. It's an older video, but it shows how bjj dominated in this scenario. I study at a Royce New England school, and I'm still a white belt (unlike TKD, for example, which lets parents "buy" belts a lot of times, most bjj schools are very, very stingy). I've rolled quite a bit with higher belts of all sizes and let me tell you, it's bloody scary. The UFC is the paramount of the sport and those in it are unhuman in their mastery of many disciplines. There's so much science and skill happening and most is imperceptible to the untrained eye. A simple slugfest is most surely is not.

I know some people say it was a quick stoppage, but as soon as a guy is out, the ref will call it. You can see from his eyes and the way he kept his hands straight up and back and not actively stopping a blow, and how his head dipped back that he was out. He was out for less than a second, but with a man on top you have to call that. It's not like boxing where they give you 10 seconds to refresh yourself for another beating.

I'm sure you got some fine aryan chicas lined up around the block, dude.

The other thing is, any one of these UFC guys would get their asses kicked by the best martial artist black belts.

Posted by Apocalypto at 2008-04-03 04:16 PM

That is just not true. We see time and again 'Karate' guys, or 'Judo' guys, or 'Tai Kwan Do' guys get spanked by these MMA guys.

All of the 'purists' have to learn or adjust to compete. Look what happened to an excellent BJJ guy Royce Gracie, he got smoked by Matt Hughes. AND BJJ is one of the more versatile forms or martial arts.

If anyone thinks that boxing takes more brains or is more exciting then MMA, they just don't understand MMA. You don't know what you are looking at. Boxing is one dimensional, MMA is three dimensional.

Evashogouk,

That was a perfect description of MMA!

THX @)>-`-,--

Oorah, try looking for Keith Hackney (karate) vs. Emmanuel Yarbrough (American Sumo, 6-8 like 600lbs or so). Hackney won, but broke his hand.

Matt Hughes did beat Royce, but even that was somewhat controversial in bjj circles because the ref stopped it when Royce was in an arm-bar. It's thought that he has been arm-barred so much he has a much higher tolerance for going against the joint -- but even at that, Hughes was still using a jiu-jits technique. MMA is a major cross-pollenization; even Royce studies striking techniques and has altered his program to accommodate modern no-gi and gloves fighting.

A lot of people think the best wave of new mma fighters are coming from college wrestling programs.

Actually, the ref stopped it due to blows, he did not stop from arm bar Eva. That arm bar was nasty, but Royce didn't tap. Matt moved on until he got his back and mount. Then Royce was defenseless on the ground taking blows.

Royce said he had a few more fights in him but haven't seen him since.

On that subject: Hughes was a division 1 wrestler, so is Uriah Faber from WEC (virtualy unbeatable in the featherweight--IIRC--class). I think Lesnar will eventually "get it" and be a top mma guy. He certainly has the drive, and I have the ultimate respect for the guy, giving up millions in the WWE to train for this. He's a class guy. He got caught in Mir's knee-bar, but I bet that it'll be much harder for that to happen again.

On that subject: Hughes was a division 1 wrestler, so is Uriah Faber from WEC (virtualy unbeatable in the featherweight--IIRC--class). I think Lesnar will eventually "get it" and be a top mma guy. He certainly has the drive, and I have the ultimate respect for the guy, giving up millions in the WWE to train for this. He's a class guy. He got caught in Mir's knee-bar, but I bet that it'll be much harder for that to happen again.

Big John: didn't know that...thanks!

I think Royce recently beat long-time rival Sakaruba (or whatever his name is...).

never did like the sport much...but it's good to know some self-defense like judo & so forth

Apocalyto,
You, like hermaphrodite before you, have no idea what you're talking about.
The vast majority of the fighters in the UFC are highly skilled in numerous martialarts. Many of them have won championships in their respective disciplines.

Do you always comment on things you've never watched?

Posted by 101Chairborne

101Chairborne, bullshit. I know exactly what I'm talking about. Ultimate Fighting is a STEP BACKWARDS. Next it'll be 2 guys clubbing each other in a cage. Wake up, dude.

Pretty cool video, Apocalypto, but I'm not sure you can call it "fighting skill" as much as acrobatic skill.

Of course a true tai chi master (none on the video) will win every fight - he knows when NOT to come around. But people won't pay to see that.

Apocolypto: No offense, but you clearly don't really understand what you are seeing, or at least, you aren't capable of appreciating it.

Modern mma is an evolution of all martial arts. It distills what is most effective and does away with the impractical. Any martial art should have effectiveness at its core or else it's merely kata or dance.

"Air doesn't hit back or take your back"

Next it'll be 2 guys clubbing each other in a cage. Wake up, dude.

Posted by Apocalypto at 2008-04-03 07:06 PM | Reply | Flag

Wake me up when that comes on.

This fight was a bore.

Cheers,
Walt

I looked at that video a number of times. That was one fast punch.

The punch was incredible, but I don't think the fight should have been stopped so soon.

I don't know so much about UFC, but boxing is a beautiful, but dangerous sport. I love it when it is good. (i.e. middleweights, not heavys). I, for one, owe a debt of gratitude to boxing. I was always a small and skinny kid, and I got bullied in my neighborhood. Then one summer a couple of us twerps bought boxing gloves. Turned out that I have freakishly long arms. By 14, I learned how to box well and never got picked on again.

Unfortunately, the guys in the sport these days are killing themselves over money. Most of them won't live much past 50-ish. The money is too good so they fight into their late 30's or longer. IMHO, all boxers should seriously consider retirement by 30, but when you can bank a few millie for one night of beating, that's not happening. Unfortunately, that's what makes boxing so stigmatized.

I don't know so much about UFC, but boxing is a beautiful, but dangerous sport.

I used to love boxing until UFC/MMA came along.

The DelaHoya / Mayweather fight pretty much ended my desire to ever watch boxing again.

Cheers,
Walt

I agree that Mayweather is a pox on the middles. But I used to live in Tampa/St. Pete, and I've met Winky Wright, Jeff Lacy and Antonio Tarver. All past champs and all three are technically sound, humble and articulate fighters. Unfortunately, they don't get the big headlines and paydays that idiots like Mayweather and the like get.

I like boxing over UFC because I appreciate the technicality of boxing, hence why I like the Tampa fighters. More than anything I understand boxing. I don't know enough about all the different styles of UFC, so it looks like a big free for all. I know the UFC fighters are technically sound in their own methods, but I can follow one style (boxing).

More or less, I have to claim ignorance on UFC, and therefore its hard for me to follow. But, in the same breath, there are a lot of good quality boxers out there who respect the sport and master the nuances of it. They win, but they are not a big draw. And don't forget about fights like the Ward-Gotti's and the Carrera-Corrales's. For every stinker, there is a classic too.

But it is much like baseball purists who love a pitcher's duel. We are outnumbered by lovers of the home run.

Point well taken Boca.

I have watched countless kickboxing matches in Thailand, some of the fighters not yet teenagers. That is some true kick ass stuff to watch.

MMA offers so much more action. Boxers just dance around and occasionally throw punches. And they have giant gloves on. Not a big fan of the gloves. If they didn't wear gloves, I would watch it again.

Then again, why bother? I can watch UFC and see kicks puches, elbows, knees, chokes, arm bars etc...

You rent or watch UFC Ultimate Iceman: Chuck Liddel

That video will give you a true appreciation for the current state of UFC.

Blockbuster has all of them. Look at UFC 1 to UFC 6.

There you will see how modern MMA evolved. It used to be classical styles vs. other classical styles. Hoyce Gracie changed that up. Now you have a strong ground game or you are pretty much toast.

If you watch them, get back to me and tell me what you think.

Sorry.

Royce Gracie

Pronounced Hoyce.

The DelaHoya / Mayweather fight pretty much ended my desire to ever watch boxing again.

My interest in boxing was already waning but that fight also was the final chapter for me.

MMA has evolved to be an amazing ultimate sport with high skilled, disciplined and freakishly fit athletes.

The other thing is, any one of these UFC guys would get their asses kicked by the best martial artist black belts.

Proven untrue. Some of the best in various martial arts have been beaten easily.

And the notion of Tai Chi masters fairing well in this sport is a joke. Don't get me wrong, I have studied and have great respect for Tai Chi and it's capabilities. I know it evolved from combative disciplines but I have seen it fail when pitted against various other disciplines.

But the best heavyweight in the world is not part of the action. Where's Fedor?

Proven untrue. Some of the best in various martial arts have been beaten easily.

If you are not MMA, you will lose. What you say is true.

BJJ + Ground and Pound = the ultimate Mixed Martial Art. Boxers are Ballerinas by comparison.

Cheers,
Walt

George St Pierre and BJ Penn and Anderson Silva all do quite will without ground and pound. Those are the top three MMA fighters (and therefore fighters) in the world.

Fedor is good too, but how would he fare against Couture? Wouldn't we all like to know!

I'd love to see Mayweather fight even the 10th rated MMA fighter in his weight class, he'd get spanked!

I would disagree that the three fighters you named lack a ground and pound game. Did you see St Pierre's last fight? They are indeed the cream of the crop though.

I'm hoping that Fedor's absence and Couture's departure are because something is in the works. ie what CBS has planned-that is prime time series of Friday night fights in late 08.

I hear they're hoping Carol Burnett will do the MCing (haha). The times they are a changin' though.

I didn't say they lack it, I was commenting on Walt's comment about Brazilian Jiu Jitsu + Ground and Pound being the ultimate. The best fighters box and kick box quite well too, like the above mentioned.

The best fighters box and kick box quite well too, like the above mentioned.

Take away their BJJ and G&P and they are toast.

Cheers,
Walt

Lurked for years, decided to come out for this.

Guys... Apocalyto is _correct_ in what he says. If you actually look at the rules for UFC, it outlaws almost every tool a real martial artist has at their disposal. The rules pretty much leave you with nothing to do but roll around on the ground groping, poking, and punching one another. Knock a guy down (careful you don't get called for "Grabbing the clavicle" or "holding their shorts" because you're doing useful and efficient throws).. and you can mount a guy and punch him in the face.. but you can't deliver a kick to the same face in the same situation? No downward elbow strikes? It's not very ultimate at all.

The worst is number 29. I have twice seen regional tryouts for UFC wherein a good martial artist got disqualified for "timidity" because they were dodging everything the oaf tried to do, waiting for an opening.

Don't take the failure of people crippled by the rules to mean anything. Your average Thai boxer would slaughter these slow, over-muscled mixed "Martial artists" in a street fight.

Hey Sohe,

I tend to agree with both of you (you and Apoc) but at the end of the day, you slap a boxer in that ring, they are toast. Period.

And I am with you 100% about the rules. There should be no rules. Now that would be some good shit to watch!

Cheers,
Walt

Oohrah,

Cool article, never heard of that fight.

Never good to see athletes get hurt by cheaters.

That guy should be locked up.

Cheers,
Walt

Take away their BJJ and G&P and they are toast.

Cheers,
Walt

Posted by Walt at 2008-04-04 09:28 PM

That's not my point, if all you have is BJJ and G&P, the guys I mentioned above will beat you handily. You need more than two aspects to your game.

Two minutes into that last clip, Bas blows the scientists mind.

great clip Big John. It would have been cool to asses Bas Ruttens open hand strikes, one of his trademark techniques.

Apocolypto,

yes it was barroom brawling 20 years ago. But now, very technical. Sure there are still brawlers, but they are to MMA as Butterbean is to real boxing.