Can he start by turning off his own hot air?

Is there anyone he will debate on this? Isn't a debate in order by now?

Seems to me he started his anti-warming campaign months ago. This was one of the coldest winters in memory.

Why doesn't he lead by example. oh that's right he started a carbon trading firm, so he can make money off of the issue. How's his hedge fund doing????

Sorry. Missed a capital W.

When politicians hear the American people calling loud and clear for change, they'll listen," said Gore, who's contributed his own funds to the effort.

Interesting posit.

Wot evidence do you have fer this theory?

Or as Dick Cheney likes to say... "So?"

That sed it'll be nice to have a multi million dollar campaign to try and offset the multi-million dollar Global Warming Propaganda campaigns by Exxon and other global polluters that have been going on for years.

Corporate cunts dumbing folks down in order to avoid their responsibilities has got to stop.

Too many Neo-FlatEarthers as it is.

Be Well.

2008 was the 23 warmest winter since 1880.
There are 105 colder Winters on record.

Next time use Excel.

Posted by Zatoichi
* * * *

So? I said it was one of the coldest winters in memory. It snowed in Alabama. It was the coldest in 15 years in Canada. But because you just like to make noise, you say, no, it was the 23rd warmest since 1880. Or something. And 21 of the 23 years you've listed as being warmer than this one, I've been around for.

See? We agree!! And I didn't even need to use Excel!! Hope you didn't spend too much time on it.

Can he start by turning off his own hot air?

When will you turn off yours?

It's global temperatures that are indicative of global warming. Anecdotes don't cut it.

The combined global land and ocean surface temperature was the 16th warmest on record for the December 2007-February 2008 period (0.58F/0.32C above the 20th century mean of 53.8F/12.1C). The presence of a moderate-to-strong La Nia contributed to an average temperature that was the coolest since the La Nia episode of 2000-2001.

www.noaanews.noaa.gov
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Well maybe next time you will read your entire link instead of just the part that fits your agenda.

In the contiguous United States...

Spud'll stop ya right there RightisWrong.

Wot part of "GLOBAL Warming" are you not getting?

Both poles are melting.

The North pole is melting faster than the South Pole at present.

The South Pole has 90% of the earths ice.

It sits on land not on water like the North Pole.

After the North Pole melts it will only increase the melt at the South Pole.

When the South Pole melts then the waters will rise.

Before that happens the globes ability to feed itself will be impacted negatively quite severely leading to higher food prices, food riot, global instability in the markets and lots of dead folks.

Wot part of ALL THAT are you failing to see?

It actually is even worse than that, in that if we do actually get a handle on global pollution we will actually increase the speed of the climate change phenomenon.

If we don't get a handle on it we will continue to poison the sky, the sea and the land beyond fixing.

We're truly damned if we do and damned if we don't but simply ignoring the problem or pretending we are helpless to do anything about it or that it's simply too expensive to try is not only foolish and cowardly but ultimately suicidal.

Be Well.

Wot part of ALL THAT are you failing to see?

Like any neocon he only sees what he wants to see.

WASHINGTON -- Winter storms and snow notwithstanding, this winter was still warmer than average worldwide, the government reported Thursday.

The global temperature for meteorological winter -- December, January and February -- averaged 54.38 degrees Fahrenheit, 0.58 degrees warmer than normal for the last century, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration reported.
* * * *

Wow. All that warming. All those cars and planes and bombs and space shuttles--and we're a whopping 0.58 degrees warmer than normal.

Excuse me if I don't feel like parking my car and walking, on account of about half a fahrenheit degree. But if you want to save the world, feel free.

Like any neocon he only sees what he wants to see.

~726

Point taken.

Do ya like Simon and Garfunkle?

"All lies and jests.
Still, a man hears
what he wants to hear
and disregards the rest"


Be Well.

Figures show that there is nearly a third more ice in Antarctica than is usual for the time of year.

~RightisWRONG

Yer so fulla FAIL it's scary.

The truth is this. The built up of ice in Antarctica is happening, but only in some places and not in others. Due to the fact that this area gets some of the least amount of precipitation on the planet those increases are minimal and in no significant way offeset the very real melting that's going on.

Corporate pseudo scientist take those basic facts and bend them into twisted non-logic which they then pawn off on a naive and gullible public.

Guess wot, RiR?

Spud aint one of them naive folk.

Spud keeps his eyes open and pays attention.

That is the essence of Spud.

Learn that.

Be Well.

Hey we should support Al Gore. April fools!

Looks like the Antarctic is doing just fine too:


www.express.co.uk
NEW evidence has cast doubt on claims that the world's ice-caps are melting, it emerged last night.

Satellite data shows that concerns over the levels of sea ice may have been premature.

It was feared that the polar caps were vanishing because of the effects of global warming.

But figures from the respected US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration show that almost all the "lost" ice has come back.

Ice levels which had shrunk from 13million sq km in January 2007 to just four million in October, are almost back to their original levels.

Figures show that there is nearly a third more ice in Antarctica than is usual for the time of year.

Posted by rightisright at 2008-04-01 08:15 PM

If Gore says global warming is real I guess I better invest in that banana plantation near Thunder Bay Ontario my cousin has been trying to interest me in.

It's been at least three or four days since we've had a global warming thread with the usual suspects trotting out their usual arguments. *yawn* I just hope one day in the future we'll have this nascent science of climatology figured out and future historians will look back and determine who was right and who was wrong.

Gore and his campaign? I just wonder how many billions tons of carbon he will produce promoting it?

"nascent science"

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If cutting down on greenhouse gases in effect means cutting down on airborne respiratory irritants, I'm all for it.

When you've read those, there's another 58 years worth.
Climatology is much older than quantum mechanics or relativity.

MORE! MORE! MORE!

the usual suspects trotting out their usual arguments.

See?

Spam always influences my opinion -- but usually in the opposite manner it was meant to.

Why doesn't Gore just invent an anti-warmer?

He invented the pyramids and the internet and life and all, should be easy.

Cheers,
Walt

When you've read those, there's another 58 years worth.
Climatology is much older than quantum mechanics or relativity.

Posted by Zatoichi


Seems you've made the point (quite well,at that) that there's been scare-mongers about global warming for longer than the modern "warm age" (if you call +.5% *man-made global warming*) has even existed.It may have more to do with the "big yellow thing" in the sky during the day than you think....

It may have more to do with the "big yellow thing" in the sky during the day than you think....

What yellow thing?

Oh you mean the sun?

Don't be a tard, that can't possibly effect the Earth, only SUVs can.

Cheers,
Walt

Gore is a brilliant conman with political
connections and a household name. Look close
at the venture capital partnership and his
offshore investment group, Generation Investment
Management and it becomes obvious as to the
intent. HR2331 and the money needed by
firms funded by the likes of such.

Hey Zat, you nitwit. The Bible is thicker than the sum of your references. Truth is not a measure of the pile of bullshit.

The world is warming, said warming is catostropic and is caused 100% by man-made greenhouse emmissions.

Wot's up with all the absurd absolutist arguments, Jeff?

Can you deny the fact that both poles are melting?

No, you can't.

The intellectual dishonesty and sheer bullheaded ignorance of the right is so pathetic it hurts to observe some days.

Here's another one by Walt the Neo-FlatEarther

Oh you mean the sun?

Don't be a tard, that can't possibly effect the Earth, only SUVs can.

Both Walt and Jeff are so invested in the notion that they won't be fooled by the big bad "Global Warming Hoaxers" (tm) that they fall right into the arms of the Multi-Million Dollar Global Warming Denial industry.

Yer guy are not a cult.

Dumber than a sack of hammers perhaps but not cultists.

Luckily, the topic of Global Warming is recognised as being real by the vast majority of the globe's scientific community and national leaders.

It's too late to save the entire planet but maybe enuff can be salvaged if they act quick enuff.

Gobal warming/ Climate Change is like a massive formula.

Increased population + Increased industry + Increased Greenhouse Gas emissions + Increased pollution - Global Forests - Oxygen creating marine life = GW/CC.

The sun is also a factor in that equation but it is for the most part a constant.

Spud can never figure out if folks like Walt and Jeff are just too dim to see this or if they just like arguing with lefties.

Be Well.

What? Gore's awards and Oscar and BS wasn't enough to make folks believe in his BS?

He has to spend more money to con the folks with global warming?

What a crock--like him..


Murphy

It may have more to do with the "big yellow thing" in the sky during the day than you think....

What yellow thing?

Oh you mean the sun?

Don't be a tard, that can't possibly effect the Earth, only SUVs can.

Cheers,
Walt

Time to wake up, sleeping Americans.

Gore was VP when all those millions of $$ were allocated for the ionosperic heaters.

The bastids are boiling the ionosphere, dumbots.

Global warming is just as contrived as everything else in our fake society.

oops

What we need is a clock.

You know, like the clock they have that counts up how much every second of the war costs.

We need one that counts, by the second, every inch of ice that has melted.

I need to know the precise moment to start running for the hills.

Cheers,
Walt

What we need Walt, is stock in Algore's Carbon Credit companies. He is positioning himself and others to make BILLIONS off his "Chicken Little" scare tactics.

Hell, after watching his Academy award winning snake oil of a movie, I wanted to plant some trees!

I just hope one day in the future we'll have this nascent science of climatology figured out and ...

Posted by goatman at 2008-04-01 09:36 PM | Reply

Damit Goat! You already knew that Zat was in his cut-and-paste-the same-old shit mood. He already posted that list of carefully selected years.

Then you had to go and make him post 27 more times of pointless references(which nobody will read, again)

Wot's up with all the absurd ....

Posted by dethspud at 2008-04-01 11:21 PM | Reply

Wot's up with Canuck public schools? Did the spelling books freeze to the pump handle? Did a moose eat them?

Spudflakes,

You keep saying the south pole is losing ice but everything I read says it is losing some around the edges but getting thicker toward the center and at a faster rate than it is losing.

Do you ever read or just form an opinion and stick with it no matter how often you look stupid?

Bee Swell

somebody please,tell this MOONBEAM help the country first-we are in recession- before helping the earth....

Why would Gore help America? That's the country that screwed him out of being President. Fuck Scalia, fuck Thomas, Fuck all those right-wing fucking bastards on the so-called "Supreme" Court that gave us 911 and the idiot savant President George "my daddy got me into Yale" Bush. Asshole Bushes should all have been stillborn.

Jomama has issues.

PARIS: A powerful volcano erupted under the icesheet of Antarctica around 2,000 years ago and it might still be active today, a finding which raises questions about ice loss from the white continent.

The explosive event rated "severe" to "cataclysmic" on an international scale of volcanic force punched a massive breach in the icesheet and spat out a plume some 12 kilometres into the sky, said British scientists behind the find.

Data from ice cores indicate that from AD 800 to 1300 the regions around the fjords of southern Greenland experienced a relatively mild climate similar to today.

Unless we have China's and India's by in on this the world will continue to suffer. For those of you whom never have been to China the people live in a cloud of polution day to day.

I thought that if Hillary and Obama ended up beating each other to a pulp by the start of the Democrat Convention that it was possible Gore might be picked by the Dem elite to jump in and run for President instead in order to "save the party." But if he does, Gore is going to have to jump off this boring global warming bandwagon.

People are tired of having to listen to all the global warming blah blah blah, it's not going to affect us for at least 100 years and there is plenty of stuff right NOW for Americans to worry about (economy, etc.).

Maybe Gore has no plans on running for Prez and just wants to keep on talking about global warming. Fine. But if he has bigger plans then he needs to drop that subject and get on to more important things then some melting iceflows.

Maybe Gore has no plans on running for Prez and just wants to keep on talking about global warming. Fine. But if he has bigger plans then he needs to drop that subject and get on to more important things then some melting iceflows.


Posted by CalifChris

didn't he invent the internet, too?

You keep saying the south pole is losing ice but everything I read says it is losing some around the edges but getting thicker toward the center and at a faster rate than it is losing

Exxon are publishing pop-up books on Global Warming/ Climate Change now?

How special is that?

Be Well.

Chris - Gore can't and will not run.

The democratic party will explode if Obamma doesn't get the nod.

Global warming is a myth. The biggest lie in the history of mankind.

They can't predict the weather 7 days out and you believe global warming forcasters that predict floods and such in the coming years?

How much snow did Baghdad receive this year compared to 100 years ago?

My point is, how can we spot a trend over 100, 50 or even 25 years when the earth is over 4 billion years old? Even a 100 year trend means nothing in the grand scheme of time.

Maybe Gore has no plans on running for Prez and just wants to keep on talking about global warming. Fine. But if he has bigger plans then he needs to drop that subject and get on to more important things then some melting iceflows.

Global Warming is more important than yer pet project of border enforcement by a factor of about a thousand.

Tell ya wot. Why don't ya get Lou Dobbs to quit yapping about about that non-event and focus on sommat that actually means somat?

Be Well.

Even a 100 year trend means nothing in the grand scheme of time.

Or even a 400,000 year trend which zat says we have data for. If the earth is 24 hours old, 400,000 years represents 8 seconds. If someone told me they could predict what the temperature of the day would do with 8 seconds of data, I'd tell 'em they were nuts. Some folks have no trouble making predictions with so little data, though.

Global warming is a myth.

No, it's real. It's been going on for at least 10,000 years this time around. The question is whether it stopped a 200 years ago and the industrial revolution picked up where the natural warming left off.

Global Warming is more important than yer pet project of border enforcement by a factor of about a thousand.




Posted by dethspud


Especially in the vastly overwhelmly proof of man's tremendously effective causing of recent global warming because Al says so (wot that last ice age again?)...& he created the internet, too!

Why don't ya get Lou Dobbs to quit yapping about about that non-event and focus on sommat that actually means somat?

Why don't ya speak in English for a change when you want to talk about somat?

Or at least provide a copy of a "Medieval-speaking Potato/English Translation Dictionary"
when you post a comment. I feel like I'm reading sommat from a Harry Potter novel.

Be quiet.

Goat - I'll give you 100,000 years and spot you 500,000.

Weather forcasts and climate change are based on the past 100 years. Is the world really warming?


Who is to say this current climate isn't the norm? If we are warmer than some phantom weather model, who is to say this isn't a normal period?

If the earth grew cooler, who would say that wasn't normal?

I feel like I'm reading sommat from a Harry Potter novel.

Be quiet.

lol

Spudflakes wrote,

"Exxon are publishing pop-up books on Global Warming/ Climate Change now?

How special is that?


So anytime something is written which contradicts your bullshit belief even if based on scientific observation it must be Exxon?

Theres no rationalizing with the intentionally ignorant.

Now thats Special!

Bee Swell

Who is to say this current climate isn't the norm? If we are warmer than some phantom weather model, who is to say this isn't a normal period?

I agree with you. As I said, I am skeptical of any scientist who says he can base the model of a 24 hour system with only 8 seconds of data.

I'm not trying to bash our spud friend from the north, just pointing out coal and oil revenues that he enjoys via cheap beer and such.

be oil well...

My point is, how can we spot a trend over 100, 50 or even 25 years when the earth is over 4 billion years old? Even a 100 year trend means nothing in the grand scheme of time.

Posted by Beachbuzz

well, i understand that the magnetic pole has shifted at least 14 times since the great one blinked last...

meanswhile the atomic bomb craters on the moon look beautiful:>)

Another natural cause of warming over the ages:

The earth currently is at its perihelion (closest to the sun) on January 5, shortly after the winter solstice, of course. It is at its aphelion six months later when it is summer in the northern hemisphere. IOW, when the earth is closest to the sun, it is presenting more of its southern hemisphere to the sun. The southern hemisphere of course has more water than land. Water reflects sunlight better than land.

Because of the precession of the equinoxes, the opposite is true every 26,000 years. We are currently entering the part of precession where the southern hemisphere becomes more and more tilted from away from the sun during perihelion. When this reaches maximum, the earth will be absorbing much more solar energy.

Especially in the vastly overwhelmly proof of man's tremendously effective causing of recent global warming because Al says so (wot that last ice age again?)...& he created the internet, too!

Because Al sez so?

Don't be a bigger twat then you already are.

You believe every conspiracy theory you've ever read but global warming is a hoax?

Wow, that's funny right there.

Gore invented the internet?

Reduced to repeating long discarded RT sound bytes?

Sorry to have disturbed yer UFO convention.

As you were, soldier.

Be Well.

/Outtie
stage left.

Der Spud...

No comment on the oil and coal we steal from you everyday?

I'm surprised at your lack of balls!

Goatman

I agree with you. As I said, I am skeptical of any scientist who says he can base the model of a 24 hour system with only 8 seconds of data.

Posted by goatman at 2008-04-02 02:55 AM


Check out about the 12th-14th paragraphs (I've quoted them below) in the article I have linked at the end. The article essentially agrees with the analogy you made above -- one needs to imput a much longer time range of weather data in order to make an accurate future prediction about global warming.

Therefore it's no wonder that the global warmists' mathematical models cannot predict anything. Any mathematical model is only as good as its inputs. If you ignore the important input variables listed above, how can you expect an accurate solution? The answer is you cannot.

The warmists' math models cannot even predict a year ahead or even track prior years. People should ask the warmists to show them a model which at least can track the last 2,000 years or so. If they cannot, then it's obviously ludicrous to rely on any of their predictions.

The truth is, no one knows for sure where the world's temperatures are heading. Natural causes completely swamp out anything that mankind is doing. Some expert meteorologists predict that we are already well into our next ice age....

Global Warming is more important than yer pet project of border enforcement by a factor of about a thousand.

Tell ya wot. Why don't ya get Lou Dobbs to quit yapping about about that non-event and focus on sommat that actually means somat?

Be Well.

Posted by dethspud at 2008-04-02 02:20 AM

Oh, yoooo hoooo?

Calling all medieval-yapping Canadian potatoes out there in cyberspace --

Just to let you know Lou Dobbs' show is on now (1:00 a.m.) on CNN so you can be sure and watch him on your Canadian cable tv.


Be watching.

Wot's up with all the absurd absolutist arguments, Jeff?

It's called satire.


Can you deny the fact that both poles are melting?

Did I try to?


The intellectual dishonesty and sheer bullheaded ignorance of the right is so pathetic it hurts to observe some days.

As is the dismissive religious rhetoric of the left, when it comes to this issue.



Both Walt and Jeff are so invested in the notion that they won't be fooled by the big bad "Global Warming Hoaxers" (tm) that they fall right into the arms of the Multi-Million Dollar Global Warming Denial industry.

I am doing nothing of the sort. I question the science behind the theory that man-made carbon emmissions are significantly accelerating the rate by which the globe is currently warming. I also mock those who cling to this theory as if it's the most unassailable scientific theory in the history of mankind.

Dumber than a sack of hammers perhaps but not cultists.

Luckily, the topic of Global Warming is recognised as being real by the vast majority of the globe's scientific community and national leaders.

You're right of course.

Computer models are infallible.

Macro-climate change is really not at all complex.

The science behind man-made global warming is tighter than running a controlled experiment and measuring the results.


Utterly amazing.

The global warming issue is going to prove to be a huge black eye for the scientific community. Not that the theory itself is neccessarily bad, but because the way in which the scientific community is so protective of that theory.

It used to be that theories were constantly challenged with new theories, which resulted in new observations, experiments and data that either proved to be stronger or weaker than the theory challenged. Throughout all of history man has believed in certain scientific theories that later proved to be wrong. The sun revolving around the earth, for example. The earth being flat, as another example.

The global warming religious zealots are treating alternative theories much the same way the Catholic church originally treated Galileo. How ironic.

The next few years will be interesting. The earth just recorded an unprecedented drop in global temperature over the last 12 months. By far the widest change in such a short period ever measured. This drop corresponds with a lack of solar activity. Hmmmm.... Is it possible, maybe, that while man-made CO2 emmissions do have a greenhouse effect, that other forces that affect climate change are far more impactful? Should we not at the very least theorize such? Should we not set out to try and prove other theories via observation and experimentation?

Posted by JeffJ at 2008-03-01 03:39 PM

DR Logic:

when the masses all agree on something that is mainstream: We are all stupid sheep, dancing for the man

when the masses all agree on something IE the majority of climate scientists, and it fits an anti-establishment view...well how can they all be wrong

You all are gonna keep this up and FORCE Zat to post another long, long list of dead guys who lived back in the Little Ice Age. Why do you insist on arguing with his scientific, peer-reviewed pool?

Climanazis,

Ahhh...At last, the Great Gore has spoken! What did he say exactly?
......Er....Nothing....

It seems he's passing the torch to the acolytes to do the fighting....He won't debate anyone.... Could he be distancing himself from the Great Global Warming Fiasco?

He's got Pat Robertson carrying his water for him now, and Newt Gingrich of all people.....Doesn't that make you lefties a little queezy about the scientific basis for this scam?

Oh....that's right! There IS no scientific basis for this global warming scam.... Whew! I was worried there for a second....

Of course, with the religious nature of it all, this starts to explain the involvement of Pat Robertson. Could Jeremiah Wright be far behind?

Acolytes, what do we call the new religion?

So, with CO2 skyrocketing, how is it that the temperature is not and has not, given the Holy Postulate that, in spite of all evidence, CO2 drives global temperature?

It's because temperature change creates changes in CO2... not the other way around. Just don't tell the AGW faithful that or they'll start in with, "so the planet isn't getting warmer?" and "the IPCC says..."

It is exactly like religion to these people. If you've ever told someone you weren't keen on Jesus and then had them tell you you were going to hell you know what I'm talking about. I just wish the government would stop pissing away our money one the basis of this religion.

"You all are gonna keep this up and FORCE Zat to post another long, long list of dead guys who lived back in the Little Ice Age.

Posted by jestgettinalong at 2008-04-02 08:39 AM"

Nah, he's too busy right now sitting in the corner soiling his adult diaper, weeping and gnashing his dentures, trembling and fearful of the coming warming-induced ice age.

Seems to me he started his anti-warming campaign months ago. This was one of the coldest winters in memory.

Posted by rightisright

This proves his carbon credits thing is working. He's the man.