"Yeah! Damn pinko atheists commies with their fancy book learnin' and such. Next they'll say the earth is round." -- The religious right

isn't God awesome!

isn't God awesome!

Nope.

Yeah, killing lots of people is awesome.

Freak.

Gawd, I love April Fools' Day.

It's March 32nd, you morons!

Ramen to that sister!
That was some spicy meatball he tossed.

Well, as I said, if you can dig something up it's not mythical.

Hey, I just noted Ness posted this. I assume he thinks that verifying the validity of an historical account found in the Bible damages the Bible. If that's so, then pretty damned weird, man.

What was that a hemorrhoid caused the end of Sodom?

The info was found in Ninevah, right? Okay Ninevah is in Iraq, right?
Sounds like we found Iraq's WMD.

Mission Accomplished!!!

And Zed, the Bible does include historical facts, like the flood. It's just that they were naturally occurring, not God-made and not in the timeframe defined in the Bible.

"Yeah! Damn pinko atheists commies with their fancy book learnin' and such. Next they'll say the earth is round." -- The religious right


Well, technically, the religious right has decided that the world is, in fact, round.

But the sun still rotates around the earth, that they're pretty sure of.

Haven't Scientists said that a strike that big would send the earth into a dusty cold nuclear like winter? Or was it the earth would wobble off course.?

So the asteroid spared Lot and his daughters and turned his wife into salt?

God is awesome...

God is imaginary. Meteors are pretty awesome tho'.

"It's just that they (historical events) are naturally occuring...."

I'd remind you how often materialists dismiss Biblical stories as fairey-tales. Sodom may have been almost at the top of that fairey-tale list.

So a transition from absolute bullshit (as of course any right-thinking man should obviously be able to see, before today, that is) to concrete news event (at least for 3,000 B.C.) is pretty damned signifcant.

unlikely. Lot and his wife would have been caught up in a shock wave/dust storm/whatever.

Hmmm now I wonder is that what they mean by "taking it up the ass-teroid"???

Immanuel Velekovsky's trilogy of books was fascinating.

Especially 'World's in Collision' and "Earth in Upheaval'

God is imaginary.
Posted by bobdobbs


I would love to see where you have proof of this. These are the kind of comments that show just how arrogant the left and atheists are. They leave out what science tells us about proof and evidence on this subject all the time. The rest of the time they are screaming science on any number of topics, for example global warming.

Why do you abandon science on just this one particualr issue? I'm hardly a religious man. I wish I were more so but I am not, but these comments just irk me because I know for a fact that there is NO WAY that you can prove the non-existence of God. Yet, you make the assertions as if they were fact all the time.

The only explantion is arrogance.

I hate to tell you this Zed, because I know you are desperate to believe anything, no matter how absurd.

1. An asteroid a half mile across would have destroyed nearby civilations, not to mention Lot and his family.
2. Astronomy software cannot be programmed to simulate meteors that no longer exist.
3. Meteor turns Lot's wife to salt for looking back. That's one for the tabloids.
4. Egyptians were record keepers. The would have records of something like that, that would have wrecked their civilization and maybe the pyramids.

Some of those nuts are still looking for Noah's Ark, when the damn thing is in the Zodiac.

You know what bugs Me about Atheists. They condemn mock and belittle the ones who believe in a Higher Power. They call us Arrogant Shallow any number of things. Seems to Me it's the ones who don't believe and belittle the ones who do. In effect they are saying I don't need anyone to get through this here thing called life I am stronger than the rest of Mankind. Me personally if You don't believe great more power to You. But show some common decency to We who DO believe in a Higher Power/Being. That's all. Life is too God damned hard the way it is to worry about who believes in what or who don't.

Larry Mohr

C'mon Larry, this is DR where everybody belittles everybody else. If you can't take it, go to a Christian website.

So a transition from absolute bullshit (as of course any right-thinking man should obviously be able to see, before today, that is) to concrete news event (at least for 3,000 B.C.) is pretty damned signifcant.

Taking somebody else's oral history and warping it to suit your beliefs isn't all that significant. Jesus and the resurrection was stolen from the egyptians. This just disproves another bit of Biblical "fact".
And as for disproving God-1+1=2.
There I just proved God doesn't exist. Show me I'm wrong.

I know for a fact that there is NO WAY that you can prove the non-existence of God

There is no way you can prove the non-existence of anything.

I know for a fact that there is NO WAY that you can prove the non-existence of God. Yet, you make the assertions as if they were fact all the time.

The only explantion is arrogance.


Honestly homeslice, it is not my job to prove that he does not exist, it is yours to prove that he does.
(He doesn't, by the way. No more than Zeus or Wotan or any of the other thousands of gods that neither of us believes in.
If you want to talk arrogance, Who is too good to have a common ancestor with the monkeys?

"if You don't believe great more power to You. But show some common decency to We who DO believe in a Higher Power/Being. That's all. Life is too God damned hard the way it is to worry about who believes in what or who don't.

Larry Mohr"

Larry, I would agree, if their beliefs were harmless, but they are not. Religion is a major cause of violence and bloodshed all across the globe. The religious want to tell me how to live my life. No thanks. In some states, I, as an atheist would not even be allowed to hold office! I don't care if someone wants to worship their bronze age god, but have the common decency to keep it private. The rest of us would like to live in a world of adults. I don't believe in Santa. I don't believe in god. Grow up and get over it.

They leave out what science tells us about proof and evidence on this subject all the time. The rest of the time they are screaming science on any number of topics, for example global warming.

Posted by Everlong

Everlong, you got proof?!? Do share!
I am willing to accept most anyhing if you have varifiable proof. I don't mind saying that I have been wrong before, and I will be wrong again. That is part of being human. The fact that there may or may not have been a meteor that struck in the general vicinity in no way proves the validity of the bible story. Just think about what has already been said about New Orleans post Katrina. What will people be saying about it in a thousand years?

Honestly...it is not my job to prove that he does not exist,
it is yours to prove that he does.

I don't have to prove a thing to you or to any of the atheist and non-believer crowd. I'm not trying to convert you. You go your way and I'll go mine. You believe whatever you want and I'll do the same.

btw -- you forgot to capitalize the "H" in "He"

Everlong, you got proof?!? Do share!
I am willing to accept most anyhing if you have varifiable proof.-Bobdobbs

hey, you're the one who said God is imaginary. Seems to me that you have the proving to do. I didn't make an assertion either way. If you were capable of reading in context, you would easily surmise that I, in no way, said that God exists. I simply said that your statement was arrogant and one which deserved proving if you were going to make it.

Once again, the left has trouble figuring out the simplest of reasoning in a post. And yet again wants to turn it around as if I'm the one who made the factual assertion about something that is not a fact.

Everlong owes me $1000.
Everlong, prove that you don't owe me $1000 or paypal me the money immediately.
Thank You.

Larry, I would agree, if their beliefs were harmless, but they are not. Religion is a major cause of violence and bloodshed all across the globe. The religious want to tell me how to live my life. No thanks. In some states, I, as an atheist would not even be allowed to hold office! I don't care if someone wants to worship their bronze age god, but have the common decency to keep it private. The rest of us would like to live in a world of adults. I don't believe in Santa. I don't believe in god. Grow up and get over it.

Posted by bobdobbs


You only hear a christian tell you how to live your life if you choose to listen to it. You are the one who needs to get over it because there will always be a moral standard, which is based partially on religion, in governments. It seems to me that you should be a little more concerned with Muslims in Europe, here, and around the globe who want to kill people for not believing in what they believe.

The christians may have waged war in God's name but it is actually in the Quran that anyone who is not Muslim is not innocent and deserves to die. Oh yeah, but the left wants to bury their heads and have everyone believe that these are just extremist. They are walking the streets all over the place and will gladly tell you that this is what they believe. I've heard interviews from Europe where they just pulled guys off the street to talk about Islam and these are the things that many of them have said. It is a MUCH bigger problem than christianity is in this country.

And again, YOU need to get over it becuase it isn't going anywhere. I mean, if religion was on its way out I would be thinking it's time to 'get over it'. It's the other way around.

C'mon Larry, this is DR where everybody belittles everybody else. If you can't take it, go to a Christian website.

Posted by Ray


Sorry, but I'd have to say that this is a bit different than the normal belittling that goes on here. The biggest reason being that over 90% of Americans believe in God in some form or another. The other few percent, like yourself, are telling that huge majority that they are idiots, fools, immature, and living in fantasy land. There is a difference and it comes in the form of extreme arrogance.

Everlong, prove that you don't owe me $1000 or paypal me the money immediately.
Thank You.

Okay. I've never met you, I don't even think I've ever replied to one of your posts here. I don't know your email, I wouldn't know your face if I saw it, and most of all, I can guarantee you that I would have an airtight alibi for when you make the claim of when this owing of a thousand dollars took place. To throw in for good measure, I don't have a paypal account and you would know that if you knew that I owed you money and you wanted it sent that way.

Really, that was just stupid. Why don't you give me proof that you aren't this ignorant all the time.

Lessee here - an asteroid a half mile wide obliterated two cities but failed to leave a crater....hmmmm.....ever been to Meteor Crater, Arizona Zed? Still pretty much a crater.....that Bible, guess it IS full of shit.

"You only hear a christian tell you how to live your life if you choose to listen to it."
Posted By Larry Mohr

"[Some of my opponents] do not want to change the Constitution, but I believe it's a lot easier to change the constitution than it would be to change the word of the living God, and that's what we need to do is to amend the Constitution so it's in God's standards rather than try to change God's standards,"
Mike Huckabee

Larry, this is a little hard not to listen to. This joker wanted to be our President. That is how they do things in the Middle East, but I shouldn't worry about what the Christians are doing? In my eyes, either form of religion is dangerous. None of it should be involved in government. Our Governmant is supposed to be "for the people, by the people." It doesnt say "the people who believe in the same god as I do."

As to your statement that "it isn't going anywhere", well you are right about that. People seem to have this need to believe in something with no proof at all. Any explanation, even a wrong explanation is preferred to no explanation. That doesn't make it right, or a good idea my friend.

The other few percent, like yourself, are telling that huge majority that they are idiots, fools, immature, and living in fantasy land. There is a difference and it comes in the form of extreme arrogance.

Posted by everlong at 2008-04-02 01:02

All I did was cite a few facts about the impossibility of Christian beliefs. If you feel like an idiot, fool, immature living in a fantasy land, that's your problem. The extreme arrogance is in imagining one can defy the laws of reality by merely having the right beliefs. In my world we call that belief in magic.

Everlong, you are right. I cannot prove the non-existance of god. There is no way to prove a negative statement. The improbability of god is another story. I suggest that you read any of the excellent books that have come out recently on the subject, beginning with Richard Dawkins "The God Delusion". He does a very nice job of it.

So the asteroid spared Lot and his daughters and turned his wife into salt?

Posted by Ray at 2008-04-01 08:44 PM |


Ray, for such a smart guy you're letting hate of the possibility that something larger than us exists rule you.

Take the blinders off, Ray. If you're going to try to refute the Bible a good concordance is a must it will help you to determine if something might be allegorical or literal.

The times, Ray, the times.

Ever heard the expressions " scared stiff or scared to death", Ray?

Perhaps that's what is meant by she turned to a pillar of salt?

Use a ocncordance Ray. The only people you'll convince with your schtick is the already faithless, not people of faith.

"Use a ocncordance Ray. The only people you'll convince with your schtick is the already faithless, not people of faith."
--KRIS_P_BACON

This is probably nearly always true. And probably the same the other way around (the faithful trying to convince the faithless).

The only point to threads like this (the comments, not the article) is for people to get on here, and either look to be offended or to stroke their egos.

Perhaps that's what is meant by she turned to a pillar of salt?

Perhaps? So all the Bible interpretations are wrong? If you research a little further, you will find that there is a section around the Dead Sea that has salt piles.

Well Kris, if you want to argue on concordance, look up soul and spirit. They reference to air and breathing. Ancients, not knowing anything about physiology, believed that life began when air entered our bodies from the atmosphere. God's spirit represents the air around us. I just report the facts.

Interesting, don't you love the theories of science.

I find it humorous that the argument here is about faith and nonfaith.

The bible is in fact at some parts a historical archive of events, doesn't say it is all absolute factual in the event.

There are all kinds of civilization that describe the same events in similarity as the bible. It is foolish to think the significance is God related. It is foolish to think it disproves faith.

The events are just used to further support the idea of faith and catelog historical events that occurred during those faithful years.

Perhaps that's what is meant by she turned to a pillar of salt?

Perhaps? So all the Bible interpretations are wrong? If you research a little further, you will find that there is a section around the Dead Sea that has salt piles.

Well Kris, if you want to argue on concordance, look up soul and spirit. They reference to air and breathing. Ancients, not knowing anything about physiology, believed that life began when air entered our bodies from the atmosphere. God's spirit represents the air around us. I just report the facts.


Posted by Ray at 2008-04-02 08:54 AM |


This will be my last post to you on this subject, Ray.

The times, Ray, The times.

Perhaps since there was salt all around that's why they used that allegory? Pillars of salt, stationary, frozen, unmoveable, dead.

Ever used the expression, "Dumb as a box of rocks", Ray?

To people of faith who make the time to study the bible that's how you come off regarding its contents. Are you a box of rocks, Ray?

As I've already stated, you won't change the minds of people of faith with your schtick, Ray. They keep an open mind, study, and THINK about the messages contained in it.

"There. I just proved God doesn't exist. Prove me wrong..."

I have to state at the outset that I don't understand your post entirely, but I can find at least two threads to unravel---

1) A cunieform text is by definition not oral history.

2)Jesus is not Osiris. That you think so suggests you never read much about either.

The Egyptian Book of the Dead is a book of sympathetic magic. That mechanism is not part of the New Testament.

Both Osiris and Christ do come back to life, of course, although Mary Magdalene is nowhere seen collecting Jesus' body parts.

It's sort of like you saw a train, and then a clock, and decided because they both had wheels the train inspired the clock.

By the way, hieroglyphics are, by definition, also not oral history.

I just report the facts.

No, you report what you faithfully believe, nothing more.

The fact that your belief is opposite of those who do have faith doesn't in anyway suggest you are right, maybe except in your own mind.

My how that seems to be part of both sides.

When the mind is enlightened, the spirit is freed, and the body is no longer required.

Truth hurts. Doesn't it Kris. Without even checking the facts I presented, you call me dumb as a box of rocks. I get the same reaction on political and monetary issues as well. They're two sides of the same coin.

Love of money is the root of all evil, Ray.

Ray,

The problem is you assume you are obsolutely correct when all your information is also aluded and assumptions embellished as equal to the bible.

The problem is those far zealot faithful can't seemed to grasp that the bible is two things in one, and it was purposely created this way to reinforce the faith.

History of events while at the same time a religious faith belief. The history is used to reaffirm the faith.

2)Jesus is not Osiris. That you think so suggests you never read much about either.

Correct. Jesus personifies the sun. Orion, not Osiris, personifies his spirit, the Son of Man. It's all explained in detail on my website.

The Egyptian Book of the Dead is a book of sympathetic magic.

So is the Eucharist.

1) A cunieform text is by definition not oral history.

The first gospel to be written was Mark, estimated to be written after 70 CE, though it could have been much later. That's a minimum of 40 years after Christ allegedly existed as a person. Paul didn't recognize an historical Jesus and early heresies argued over his form. No one knows how many layers of hearsay went into the Gospels.

Money

The part about the salt piles can be found in the Interpreter's Dictionary of the Bible. It even has a photograph.

At the beginning of the first century, the sun passed from the astrological age of Aries to Pisces.

So rather than rant like a know-nothing, be brave and check the facts as I report. They are readily available.

Love of money is the root of all evil, Ray.

Posted by Zed at 2008-04-02 09:18

Try to have a civilized society without it.

Ray,

Yes your reported it, but it doesn't mean they are fact. No matter how much you would like to say they are fact it is not the case. There are many theories and none of them would ever be considered fact, and I find it humorous that you suggest your reading and reporting is fact.

You are doing nothing but using the theoretical information in supporting your idea as fact. I thought you would be a little smarter than that.

LOVE of money, not money per se.

"That's a minimum of forty years after Christ existed as a person...."

The Gospels themselves more than once state eyewitnesses were used to compile the Gospels.

"So is the Eucharist...."

That's an interesting point. However, where I come from the Lord's Supper is the commemoration of a friend, as that friend asked.

Yeah right, an asteroid caused the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, sure....next thing you'll be trying to tell us that homosexuals didn't cause the flood of NO.

Money

I gave you reliable sources which I am sure you didn't check out.
All you are telling me is that you spent a lifetime ignoring facts, no matter how much they contradict what you want to believe. Zed has the same problem.

The Gospels themselves more than once state eyewitnesses were used to compile the Gospels.

Posted by Zed at 2008-04-02 09:42

It's still hearsay over a minimum of forty years. Even between the gospels, we can see the story change from Mark to the last, John. In Mark, he was all human, Matthew and Luke, half human, half divine. John, all divine.

Heaven to them was the same heaven we see every day. The idea of a second heaven, a supernatural heaven evolved after Newton.

Ray,

As you want to believe all you want, your information isn't any more FACT than what Zed believes. Yours maybe be a little more reliable through theories of science but they are not fact.

That is your problem you assume and close your mind with equeal zeal as does Zed.

Historical events are tribal knowledge passed down through the people and finally written down and placed in the bible, that is the extent of my belief in those historical events.

The historical events have nothing to do with my faith, I don't confuse the two but it seems you need to push one as equallying the other.

However, where I come from the Lord's Supper is the commemoration of a friend, as that friend asked.

A good example of how Christianity is trying to keep up with modernity.

I am the living bread which came down from heaven; if any one eats of this bread, he will live for ever; and the bread which I shall give for the life of the world is my flesh." (John 6:51)

isn't God awesome!

Posted by nanc

Only when it comes to killing humans!

Your God anyway. Man, sucks to be you.

Money

You wouldn't know what a fact is if it stood in front of you. I'm inclined to believe if you went to the Dead Sea yourself and saw the salt piles, you wouldn't believe it was source for Lot's wife.

"Ever heard the expressions " scared stiff or scared to death", Ray?
Perhaps that's what is meant by she turned to a pillar of salt?"

YEAH!

Has anyone ever noticed how the religious extremists never can make up their minds! One day the Bible is quoted as literal, the next day it being interpretational!
Just goes to show how the religious extremists (of all flavors) have no issue in twisting anything (even the word of god apparently) to fit their agenda!

Anyway, the phrase "scared stiff" wasn't used in literature or recorded until the early 1900's.

Sorry Ray,

I am not so ignorant to take the bible literally, but you need to to satisfy your faith.

It is a TRIBAL history passed down through generations, but go ahead and believe it is absolute fact. This shows your ignorance.

Hell, I can go through events of WWII and show you even in such recent times that the written events are not factual or true.

Your so closed minded about this you still don't understand my post. The historical events in the bible being some what disproven does nothing as to the side of the bible about faith. You seemed to lack this understanding and keep trying to link the two together. It is closed minded ignorance on your part.

Money

If I don't understand your writing, it's because it's too obtuse. You always were hard to understand.

You are saying I take the Bible as absolute fact? Are you fucking nuts???

Who is close minded? You still haven't corroborated the facts I gave you.

Yes Ray,

You don't understand because you are so closed minded that you can't see what is being said.

You have to believe like the bible is speaking absolute truth in order to prove it wrong, and that is the problem. It is tribal knowledge of historical events nothing more.

It is based on actual happenings as scene and passed down through time.

As the STORY goes.

The Bible is just one big Rorshach test. You can see anything you want in those pages. Some think that it is allegory. Some think that Lot's wife was literally turned into a tasty condiment. Have you ever actually read that sucker? It is all fucking over the place. How anyone can actually say that it is the literal, factual word of god is beyond me. Does faith give the answers, or does it really just stop you from asking the questions?

Does faith give the answers, or does it really just stop you from asking the questions?

The belief in an absolute answer tends to quench further questioning.

You have to believe like the bible is speaking absolute truth in order to prove it wrong, and that is the problem.

What the fuck???? If I believed the bible was speaking absolute truth, I would have no reason to prove it wrong. Such screwed up logic is too far off the deep end to waste any more time on.

"The Bible does include historical facts, like the flood. It's just that they were naturally occurring, not God-made..."

God is Nature.

Oh my gosh! Are they still buying that flood myth? Christians argued over that in the 19th century until geology proved there was no truth it. If you want to find Noah's Ark, look up Argo Navis. It's a large constellation in the Zodiac. There is even a crow next to it called Corvine. The Zodiac explains why flood myths can be found throughout the ancient world.

Correction: Corvus the Crow.

Then we know who sent it and why.

I would not be so presumptuous to tell someone how to live . I could tell you the greatness of our Lord and Savior and let you make the decision for yourself . Now , having told you that , you worthless brain dead mofos should not tell me how to live or impose your worthless ideology on me through your brain fucked legislation or fucking with my U.S. Constitution .
December 21st 2012 is not that far off . Got God ?

It's great that God does'nt have to use nukes , but he always had the materials at hand needed to kick our butts . What better way to get our attention than to use an asteroid ? Hell , if Bruce willis and his crew got the shit kicked out of them when they tried to blow up that little asteroid . The next one that is coming will bring tears to the thighs of every man on the planet , good luck with that !

Ever see "the Gods Must Be Crazy"?
Same shit, different religion.

Zed

The Gospels themselves more than once state eyewitnesses were used to compile the Gospels.

Posted by Zed at 2008-04-02 09:42 AM | Reply


The "gospels" are books chosen from lots of books written about jesus. Many books were excluded, including the Book of Mary, and the book of Judas. Essentially religion has been edited to conform to what the church wants you to believe so their control is more effective. The church may have change the meaning of Jesus life into one that says a person should seek eternal live through worshipping god. The books that were excluded seem to indicate the meaning of Jesus life was to say that man should seek knowledge and fulfillment in this life. The "gospels" aren't really gospel truth. They are edited gospel truths.

Hoever the stories of the OT are proven to be stories from older discarded texts, and the older stories make much more sense than the biblical tales. Even the NT with Jesus has many parallels with older gods, from the virgin birth to the son of god, to the resurrection.

If people think that god sent a meteor to wipe out Sodom and Gomorrah, I have a few questons.

1. Did god just create the meteor a few minutes before impact, or did god create the meteor billions of years ago and send it on a path to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah even before the Earth was formed?

2. What were they doing in Sodom and Gommorah that is worse that anything that people are doing in any city on the planet today?

3. Don't you think god gets tired of trillions of whiners every day asking for stuff? Even if you are just saying Grace at dinner--you think god wants to hear that shit from 6 billion people a day? STFU for Christs sake. Do you think he created people to be nagged at for every second throughout eternity? Sounds like hell to me.

Damn Sodomites - got what they deserved....

"Essentially religion has been edited to conform to what the church wants you to believe so their control is more effective."

Or, possibly, the CC had a view of what it preached. It looked at all the writings on the subject and picked those which represented that view. Does not mean the others had merit which it chose to ignore. Just that it regarded them as people's attempts to "extend" a particular story.

FYI

The books that were excluded had the words of Jesus also. I guess the editors figured they weren't too important.

BuffaloB,

Whether or not any of the gospels had the word of Jesus in them is beside the point. The point was that the CC had a view, included books which showed that view, and considered others as extraneous. And, yep, some as opposing that view, aka, "heretical". Other point being that it didn't "edit" religion", merely displayed its view.

Other point being that it didn't "edit" religion", merely displayed its view.

Posted by fyi at 2008-04-02 01:21 PM | Reply | Flag:


Call it what you like and I'll call it what it is.

Or as Homer Simpson might say: "God, if it your command that I eat this delicious donut, dont do anthing for the next ten seconds." Homer waits ten seconds. Nothing happens. Homer eats the donut. "Amen".

"Call it what you like and I'll call it what it is."

And when you do that, I'll agree.

**** NO WAY that you can prove the non-existence of God. ****

........sure you can........

........just ask him to come out of hiding.........

......if he's real, he will come out.......if he is imaginary, he won't.........

God, if thouest be real, posteth here on thy holy blog!

"That you spent a lifetime ignoring facts...."

Not at all, Ray. But I have spent a few demolishing pseudo-scientific theories. Know any?

I see Buffalo Bob may be at the point of admitting there was an asteroid that might have demolished a place called Sodom. I've been arguing with him for a year, and that's midpoint towards a religous conversion relative to him.

"See where I'm going....?"

Not at all. If you're going to sit there and seriously argue their ARE no monsters, then you have been so terribly banal in your outlook as to be out of touch with reality.

Now, perhaps they aren't under YOUR bed. Then again, do you check with any regularity?

But face it---If I found you a monster it wouldn't change your mind one whit---Monsters are just good to disprove God, not prove Him.

Lessee here - an asteroid a half mile wide obliterated two cities but failed to leave a crater....hmmmm.....ever been to Meteor Crater, Arizona Zed?

Jo is right. The crater in Arizona is almost a mile wide. It is estimated that a meteor the size of a bus created it.

"Ever been to Meteor Crater in Arizona, Zed...."

Indeed Zed has. The first point is that the article itself references physical signs of this impact. The second point is that even large objects explode under aerodynamic pressures, an air-burst, if you will. Note Tunguska.

Obviously, you didn't see.

You can't prove a negative.

Not at all, Ray. But I have spent a few demolishing pseudo-scientific theories. Know any?

Posted by Zed at 2008-04-02 08:15

Human caused global warming for one.
See holoscience.com about our electric universe. They demolish the gravity theory of the universe and the over reliance on mathematics.

But frankly, I don't see any inclination towards scientific thinking in you. You believe because others believe.

If you're going to sit there and seriously argue their ARE no monsters, then you have been so terribly banal in your outlook as to be out of touch with reality.

Hey Zed. What's your scientific opinion on the serpent in the Garden of Eden? Or Deep in Genesis 1:2? How about leviathan?

The second point is that even large objects explode under aerodynamic pressures, an air-burst, if you will. Note Tunguska.

True. It is estimated that half of the meteor that created Barringer crater vaporized prior to impact.

Tunguska was probably a comet which explains the lack of a crater, yet an incredible shock wave.

"Not a shred of scientific thinking in you...."

Well, not one called you a keen observer, so you're forgiven.

"You beleive because others beleive...."

If that's all there was to it, none of this would be half as interesting. As it is, I'm fascinated.

By the way---"Monster" literally means "a shining forth".

"Note Tunguska"

Show me a reference where Tunguska was caused by an asteroid....

"It is estimated that half of the meteor that created Barringer crater"

But there's a crater. Seriously, an object HALF A MILE WIDE "vaporized" and "left no crater".

No wonder you believe in fairy tales.

Oh, how's that "we found the Ark" thing working out?

Further proof that the Great Spaghetti Monster In The Sky hates fags.

"They demolish the gravity theory of the universe"

Really? So all scientists in the physics and astronomy rackets are twirling madly to save their careers? Strange that none of those that I know have not even mentioned this. But then, they're just part of some conspiracy or other.

No conspiracy. Just inertia in the old paradigms. To keep the gravity theory going they had to concoct imaginary constructs like dark matter and dark energy. Electricity is a far more more powerful force that accounts of what gravity cannot. If FYI spent some time in holoscience.com he would find plasma physicists who can prove their arguments with laboratory experiments.

I can't say for sure they are right, but I do see a stronger argument than the prevailing ones. So far they are being ignored.

Ray, "Coast to Coast AM" is not a documentary.

"Seriously, an object a half-mile wide vaporized and left no crater...?"

Seriously---You have no real interest in this subject. Further, I am reminded why gunslingers were called such---They were such poor marksmen they resorted to throwing pistols at people.

"No wonder you beleive in fairey-tales...."

I consider it possible at this point you've purchased the Brooklyn Bridge not once but several times.

Stated another way, you don't recognize those fairey-tales you beleive in, so maintian a conceit you beleive in none.

Everlong owes me $1000.
Everlong, prove that you don't owe me $1000 or paypal me the money immediately.
Thank You.

Posted by RastaCyborg

FF

The article would have some merit as a curiousity if it didn't come tieh the Faux News label on it.

The article would have some merit as a curiosity if it didn't come with the Faux News label on it.

Okay. I've never met you, I don't even think I've ever replied to one of your posts here. I don't know your email, I wouldn't know your face if I saw it, and most of all, I can guarantee you that I would have an airtight alibi for when you make the claim of when this owing of a thousand dollars took place. To throw in for good measure, I don't have a paypal account and you would know that if you knew that I owed you money and you wanted it sent that way.


Posted by everlong at 2008-04-02 01:07 AM

That doesn't seem like proof to me. It's just your word. I for one will bear witness, in witch I swear to God that I was present when you swore to pay Rastacy $1000.

There, definitive proof that you owe him the money. I'll write it down to make it official. And then we can use that official record to bear witness to the fact that you owe Rastacy $1000. Then more will come forward who surely believe the testament I have written.

Amen, Amen ~ Mammon brothers:>)

Tsk tsk Zed, not very Christian of you. But, that's to be expected. All science is falsifiable, but not that one "holy" book. Who's conceited?