Hal Turner is nasty.
Hannity better think twice before hanging around with that guy.

Hannity and Rush really started in NY on WABC 770. Both when they started were not the wingnut firebrands they manifest to be now.

Both only showed a very reasonable middle of the road views and temperament. The only sign of things to come was in railings against extreme left past wing tip positions. It took years building on dead center convictions before they became lunatic wingnuts.

"Yes, we were friends and yes, Sean agreed with some of my views"

Did Hal elaborate on what views Hannity agreed with? They could agree that Liberals are manipulative and sinister, without agreeing on other things.

Sometimes I'll listen to Hannity for a few minutes (his voice is too grating) and he'll have a wide range of guests -- from Al Sharpton to Brook Hart.

Yawn HamncheeZ aka Sean Hannity is an insipid douchebag and his show infantilises it's subject matter down to a level that is shockingly low even on a propaganda station that specialises in propaganda and lies.

Let's get that out of the way right off the bat.

Hal Turner is worse.

Turner concludes his blog post by threatening to use "force and violence" against his enemies. "Those using me as a prop to attack Sean Hannity would do well to remember this fact. Rest assured I will remember them when the opportunity presents itself."

Wotta frickin' pussy-assed jamtart that shithead Nazi fuckstick is.

Hal Turner couldn't punch his way out of a wet paper bag if his life depended on it and now he's acting all pohney baloney testosteroney?

The only thing worse that Yawn Hamn'cheeZ and Hapless ScrewTurner are the idjits who pay them any attention at all as anything other than the obvious intellectual and moral failures they are.

Good eye, Arbusto.

Be Well.

All tolled, the Republicans talk radio and FoxNews mouthpieces do nothing but divide America into "Us vs Them".

Justify how this is morally right. I've been hearing the same innuendo for years. This is nothing new.

Sadly, most of them would be cannon fodder if the national press ever looked into their backgrounds and associates. Some of the rhetoric is just patently UnAmerican no matter how you slice it. Some of the associates would be considered White Supremacists in their rhetorical slant.

I'm glad some, even those at FoxNews, are American enough to begin to question the propaganda machine's tactics.

Sean dissapointed me. He used to have a radio show on WGST in Atlanta in the early to mid '90s. I lived in Georgia and I listened to him regularly then. Though he was definitely right wing, he had a fair show. He never screened out liberal callers, unlike Rush. He entertained all points of view.

When he announced he was going to Fox I thought it was a good thing. But the first time I listened to him after his move, I could not believe the change. I haven't listened to him much since.

Who the fuck is Sean Hannity and why should I care?

Interesting, Hannity makes such a big deal about Obama's associations now one might bite him in the ass.

I used to listen to Hannity, but he really has lost me recently. His whole facination with the people rather than ideas really turns me off.

Also his "gotcha" questions annoy the crapp out of me.

AU you got it half right with Faux Newas and Righty tight radio being Us Vs. Them. But dont fro get thats the far Left playbook too. I see both side playing up Race baiting, Gender, and Class ALL THE TIME. If the righties cant make a case based on Race, Gender, Class with out being biggots then the same criticizim must be brought to the Left. We all have to use the same rules.

Interesting, Hannity makes such a big deal about Obama's associations now one might bite him in the ass.

People never think the rules they apply to others may be turned back on them. The smear-by-association game is really easy to play on just about any public figure in the world of politics.

why is it that the right wing needs this constant reinforcement of their belief system?
is it a need to feel superior?

Two words: small penis

The fairness doctrine has been used by various liberal administrations to harass political opponents on the radio. Bill Ruder, Assistant Secretary of Commerce in the Kennedy administration, acknowledged that "Our massive strategy [in the early 1960s] was to use the Fairness Doctrine to challenge and harass right-wing broadcasters and hope that the challenges would be so costly to them that they would be inhibited and decide it was too expensive to continue." [6] Former Kennedy FCC staffer Martin Firestone wrote a memo to the Democratic National Committee on strategies to combat small rural radio stations unfriendly to Democrats:

The right-wingers operate on a strictly cash basis and it is for this reason that they are carried by so many small stations. Were our efforts to be continued on a year-round basis, we would find that many of these stations would consider the broadcasts of these programs bothersome and burdensome (especially if they are ultimately required to give us free time) and would start dropping the programs from their broadcast schedule. [7]

Democratic Party operatives were deeply involved in the Red Lion case since the start of the litigation. Wayne Phillips, a Democratic National Committee staffer, described the aftermath of the ruling, explaining that "Even more important than the free radio time was the effectiveness of this operation in inhibiting the political activity of these right-wing broadcasts

Sense;

Tell us what you would like done with the fairness doctrine.

"Interesting, Hannity makes such a big deal about Obama's associations now one might bite him in the ass."

I don't know anything about Hal Turner or really very much about Hannity either, and I don't really care to. This whole thread doesn't have much of an impact on me, seeing how Hannity isn't running for president.

Sense;

The reason there are so few liberal radio programs is very easy to figure out. NOBODY LISTENS tot hem. It is all about revenue.

"Two words: small penis"

My daddy always told me it isn't how deep you plow, it's how long you stay in the field that really counts.

RCADE's preacher is really a right wing money grubber.........

Another reactionary hypocrite?
Throw him on the pile.

Hehe, from Wikipedia, the gang's all there:

Identifying himself as "Hal from North Bergen", he became notable in local conservative circles as a frequent caller to the WABC-AM radio talk show hosted by Bob Grant.[3] Turner parlayed this fame into a role as the northern New Jersey coordinator for Patrick J. Buchanan's 1992 presidential campaign. He went on to serve as campaign manager for Libertarian Murray Sabrin in a number of campaigns in New Jersey in the 1990s, including a 1997 gubernatorial campaign.[4][5]

Turner established a friendship with Bob Grant's replacement, Sean Hannity, on whose program he was a frequent presence.[citation needed] Turner then became a talk radio host himself, joining fellow regular callers Frank from Queens and John from Staten Island to start the program The Right Perspective.[6] Turner left the program in 2002, citing artistic differences. In 2002, Turner became a solo host, purchasing a time slot on shortwave radio station WBCQ, over which he broadcast for approximately four years. He gave up this show after seeing Mel Gibson's film Passion of the Christ, stated that he was opposed to the owner of the station's Jewish religion.[7]

ya ya ya ya...aren't we all like to be associated with some famous people..

The reason there are so few liberal radio programs is very easy to figure out. NOBODY LISTENS tot hem. It is all about revenue.

Posted by retnluvnit

There's lots of McDonald's out there too. Doesn't mean you won't get the shits if you eat there.

Wow, more than 20 posts on a thread about racism without a Robert Byrd deflection. Shocking.

why is it that the right wing needs this constant reinforcement of their belief system?
is it a need to feel superior?

Posted by sense at 2008-03-23 10:37 PM | Reply |

You are obviously an idiot, but I think I have a question even you may be able to answer. What is the Drudge Retort's "motto"? In other words stupid, who are you (a liberal) and where are you posting and reading your news (a liberal website that caters to you and re-inforcing your already fucked up political beliefs).

You are a lemming looking to read and see like minded political opinions.

For fucks sake, you seem totally oblivious to your surroundings.

RastaCyborg...WHAT????

why is it that the right wing needs this constant reinforcement of their belief system?
is it a need to feel superior?

Two words: small penis

Posted by silver_ironist

So says the left wing poster on a left wing blog.

Two words that might go a long way towards your self esteem: penis pump

My daddy always told me it isn't how deep you plow, it's how long you stay in the field that really counts.

Posted by jestgettinalong


Your daddy had a small dick.

I hear that kind of thing runs in the family.

FYI.


According to most bleeding heart morons, if you are a White person and you care about the survival and well being of the White race, you are clearly a White Supremacist.

By this definition, I proudly proclaim that I am a White Supremacist!

14 Words!

Two words that might go a long way towards your self esteem: penis pump

Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2008-03-24 11:06 AM | Reply


It worked for me!
Sincerely,
Danni

What is the Drudge Retort's "motto"? In other words stupid, who are you (a liberal) and where are you posting and reading your news (a liberal website that caters to you and re-inforcing your already fucked up political beliefs).

You are a lemming looking to read and see like minded political opinions.

For fucks sake, you seem totally oblivious to your surroundings.

Posted by 101Chairborne


Are you saying that you are a Liberal Chair?

You are here quite a bit, and the Asshole fucking LIVES here.

Self Retort?

It's Monday so I'll cut you some slack.

"Interesting, Hannity makes such a big deal about Obama's associations now one might bite him in the ass."

Very true! Hanity's associations with a devisive person should disqualify him from running for president.

Oh wait, he's not running for president.

So let's talk about the people who are running who are devisive.

Okay - so you are defending Obama by acting the messenger and not the message. Very sound logic with that one. As Hannity says, he is not running for president and encouraged a wacko to call his show that would be good for ratings - sorta like mAnn Coulter. I guess it is official now though - anyone acting Obama must be a racist.

Are you saying that you are a Liberal Chair?

You are here quite a bit, and the Asshole fucking LIVES here.

Self Retort?


It's Monday so I'll cut you some slack.

Posted by Manypaths at 2008-03-24 11:09 AM | Reply

Are you saying that 2 (or 20) non-liberal posters is in any way a counter to the extreme liberal bias this site and the vast, vast majority of it's posters hold?
I didn't think you were.

Sean and his ilk have behaved like Nazis for years, why all the suprised faces?

I'll have to keep this in mind if Hannity decides to runs for prez.
But hell...if y'all can overlook BHO's racist minister I suppose...just maybe I could overlook Hannity's supposed pal as well. Got anything on vid ?

The Conservative Right Wing, apologist are alive an well, so now the criteria for being a Racist is based solely on weather or not you are running for President. So Sean Hannity is not running for President so his White's are Superior views, or Racist attack don't matter because hes not running for nothing. You Right Wing Assholes never disappoint, you keep lowering the bar on civility.

Ahh the BS qualifier, "well Hannity isn't running for president." No he isn't, but he is a public figure who is attacking another public figure based on that public figure's associations. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Justgettingashlong,
Most of us dont post on threads which mean nothing to us...try it why dont you?

Or is this a homework assignment to you.

No, but you said look at your surroundings Chair.

You are a lemming looking to read and see like minded political opinions.

YOU are claiming THAT is the only reason this person comes here.

Why do you come here if THAT is the reason you claim people come here?

The people who spend the most time on this site are Rightwing wingbags. See Rob's posting history for prime example.

For the record, I come here because I don't want to miss the moment where Goatman and Buffalo Bob finally get around to butt-fucking eachother.

Anyday now.......anyday......

AU you got it half right with Faux Newas and Righty tight radio being Us Vs. Them. But dont fro get thats the far Left playbook too. I see both side playing up Race baiting, Gender, and Class ALL THE TIME. If the righties cant make a case based on Race, Gender, Class with out being biggots then the same criticizim must be brought to the Left. We all have to use the same rules.

SAWDUST

I challenge you to find one clip of a MSM or CNN staffer calling any Republican unpatriotic or traitor. In fact, I'll bet you $5

Wingnut radio does it almost every day. FoxNews has full time staffers who's only job is bashing Democrats for hours at a time. How is that helpful to a United Nations?

United States

FF for manypaths

"Your daddy had a small dick."

Ohhh...so YOU were the peeping Tom who always tried to catch him taking a shower....figures. Did you ever spend time working out of Barney Frank's apartment, ManyPath-etic?

"It worked for me!
Sincerely,
Danni"

Really??...when did you have the operation, Danni?

Why do you come here if THAT is the reason you claim people come here?
Posted by Manypaths at 2008-03-24 11:21 AM | Reply

So that I can step on the lemmings, why else?




The people who spend the most time on this site are Rightwing wingbags. See Rob's posting history for prime example.

Posted by Manypaths at 2008-03-24 11:21 AM | Reply

I'd beg to differ. Take a look at yesterday's (a fucking holiday for that matter) postings. It was a leftwing circle jerk as usual.
Dethspud and AmericanUnity post here more than the rightwing posters combined.

I can no more disown Hal Turner than I can disown my own grandmother.
--Sean Hannity

You Right Wing Assholes never disappoint, you keep lowering the bar on civility.

Posted by celisary at 2008-03-24 11:19 AM | Reply


Is this guy dumber than JeffnDenmark? Seriously.

101,
If ya dont like fried chicken, stay the hell out of KFC dipstick. You werent missed last time you got a life suspension, you wont be missed if you never come back.

Chair,

Find me a lefty poster whose life is a pathetic as that life that is displayed in Rob's posting history and I'll vote for Clinton for you.

you wont be missed if you never come back.


Speak for yourself.....

"Most of us dont post on threads which mean nothing to us...try it why dont you?


Or is this a homework assignment to you."

No, not homework. I do it because it's some damn amusing activity just watching people like you and your little friends' antics. Entertainment, pure entertainment. Code Pink, MoveOn, DailyKos... you and your little friends are world class comedy and you all THINK you are a big influence on the world...LOL.

I am so happy I am no longer a Dem. The Obama supporters make the same stupid arguments as the Bush supporters. All I can think of when I read these attempts to whitewash Obama (pun intended) is 'Well Clinton had sex-lied-took shady campaign contributions-went to war too! So it is okay for Bush".....

Do any of you Obamamites see the irony here? Your defending the undefendable makes you equivalent to that 20% of the country that defends Bush through his stupidity. Given Obama is getting 50% of the support of the Dem party which is about 40% of all voters - the 20% analogy is very fitting.

And no, I did not change from being a Dem when Hillary fell behind - I left the party the day after the Dems took congress and Pelosi did not have a plan to end the war and took impeachment off the table - had nothing to do with the criminal, racist Obama.

I'm glad some, even those at FoxNews, are American enough to begin to question the propaganda machine's tactics.

Posted by AMERICANUNITY


Oh, well that's very big of you. Every single one of you who bitches and moans about FOX News seriously needs to get over it. For those of us on the right, we have had to listen to left sided and biased reporting for years until FOX finally came along. We have ONE station that actually doesn't lay down for the left and it drives you guys absolutely beserk.

Do you know what kind of whiny babies you sound like? I mean honestly, you simply can not stand it when someone stands up to your bullshit and until FOX news no one would.

Get over it.

I'd beg to differ. Take a look at yesterday's (a fucking holiday for that matter) postings. It was a leftwing circle jerk as usual. Dethspud and AmericanUnity post here more than the rightwing posters combined.

101st

Wow. 13 posts in one day.

Gee, and to think I did it on my own time. You average God knows how many (well over 50, probably 100 a day Mon-Fri) being a complete asshole on someone else's dime.

I snicker when I think you live in a state that will never go GOP. Ta ta loser.

101,
If ya dont like fried chicken, stay the hell out of KFC dipstick. You werent missed last time you got a life suspension, you wont be missed if you never come back.

Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2008-03-24 11:31 AM | Reply


Let's see...Hmmm, do you think I'd be here if I was suspended for life? Me either.
That being said, how many people, let alone people with opposing political views know your screen name? How many people with opposing views from yours would lobby Rcade to lift the suspension?

Apparently plenty of left leaning posters did miss me OWS, as is evidenced by my presence. How's that taste gramps?

PS-Thanks for taking such an interest in me. How simple must you be to be so invested in my comings and goings?

101

Don't flatter yourself. People didn't want you back because you're so wonderful.

You're amusing - like a circus baboon who does tricks.

You know .... good for snickers at your expense

"You werent missed last time you got a life suspension, you wont be missed if you never come back." Posted by OLDWHISKEYSOUR

"Speak for yourself....." Posted by MANYPATHS

See, SourPuss...ManyPaths has the right idea. It wouldn't be any fun if it was only you and DeadPutz on the DR. Ya' gotta have some VARIETY. You wouldn't be so friggin' sour and would understand that if you took that cob out of your ass.

LOL!! Nevr saw that one, Jestgettinalong. That is hillarious.

So Sean Hannity is not running for President so his White's are Superior views, or Racist attack don't matter because hes not running for nothing

Ahh the BS qualifier, "well Hannity isn't running for president."




But BHO is.

I'd beg to differ. Take a look at yesterday's (a fucking holiday for that matter) postings. It was a leftwing circle jerk as usual.
Dethspud and AmericanUnity post here more than the rightwing posters combined.

Posted by 101Chairborne at 2008-03-24 11:27 AM | Reply


Au,
I know you're probably out cleaning the blood out of the conversion van, but if you'll take the time to notice the fact that there are two different thoughts above.
1. Yesterday's posts were mainly from Leftwingers. Then I hit "enter".
2. You and douchespud post her morning, noon, and overnight.

Anything else you need clarified?

What happened when you wet your panties and claimed to be going to the Kos? If I recall correctly even a bunch of lefties told you to get packing bitch.

"amusing - like a circus baboon who does tricks."
--AMERICANUNITY

Funny cars, colorful bouncing balls, and shiny red butts. Sounds like DoubtingThomas' debaucherous dream come true.

Kerrin, Hannity is a public figure subject to scrutiny. It isn't just politicians who are subject to scrutiny. If you have one public figure on air claiming that another public figure is associated with a racists, then it is completely fair game to look into that public figures associations to see if he has an unbiased opinion. Obviously, Hannity is not unbiased and has associated himself with persons of questionable character as well.

I can no more disown Hal Turner than I can disown my own grandmother.
--Sean Hannity

Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2008-03-24 11:28 AM

FF,FF,FF


Almost funny as the indignation of the lefties over this guy while giving BHO ,the dem candidate for prez, a pass.

Tax..I catch his show once in a while...I haven't caught any racism or racist remarks. If he were a repub prez candidate who went to a racist church for 20 years or if he was a racist preacher ... I would not get married by him, have him baptize my kids ,nor attend his church for 20 years .

If he were a repub prez candidate who went to a racist church for 20 years or if he was a racist preacher



Opps...forgot...


I would not support, defend nor vote for him.

jest =ff

Kerrin57,

To be fair, BHO gave us a clever speech that explained away all of his racist associations. Where's Hannity's speech?

Speeches make everything better.

I love it...I absolutely LOVE it. All our little friends are really scrambling nowadays. They are coming back to defend Obama, Wright, Spitzer McGreevy and their other heroes with stuff like:

Well, Hannity said....
Well, Craig tapped his foot in the mens' room..
Well, Jefferson hasn't been proved guilty...
Well, Foley wrote naughty emails....

Thanks, ALL of you. You have truly outdone yourselves the last week or so and provided some quality, world-class entertainment.

McCain still sucks.

One thought that crossed my mind, is how many Republicans defending Hannity for this white supremacist's support gave Ron Paul the same benefit of the doubt when that WS gave him a small donation of money, which was not returned?

"McCain still sucks."

Unfortunately...but not nearly so bad as Clinton and Obama.

Geez...this is hard, but I gotta tear myself away for some lunch. I'll come back later to see if Danni, BuffaloBoob, Redneckville, and DeadPutz have shown up. That would make this Monday a complete day and a day for me to remember.

There should be some concerns over Sean Hannity and the so called views that we all think he he hides from us. But the real problem is Sean has a protected audience. He has millions of people who listen to him his requested 3 hours a day and worships the ground he pisses on. Fox and his radio heads can't do enythiong about such a money magnet, nor do they want to.

We cant be upset with Hannityfor doing what he is allowed to do. If every person in this country had a hidden microphone following them around, we would learn that 70% of Americans have their own hatred views. The fact that no one has a microphone only disguises what is really being thought about. Sean just happens to have a microphone but his hate comes in disguise of which millions of listeners enable.

Jest...Go back two years DR ...read some of the Obamites when they were Clintonistas. They have now thrown Hil &BJ under the bus without so mush as a backward glance.
Then along comes Obama has tossing his white Granny under... all to save his racist-political-advisor-
mentor preacher. Go figure.

"McCain still sucks."
Frenchy disagrees:

It coincides with a trip McCain is making to France today to meet with French President Nicolas Sarkozy.

This issue, fundamentally, is not about taking sides between Airbus and Boeing. It's about taking a side for the American worker, which McCain is doggedly refusing to do.

It is one thing to police the notoriously corrupt and favor-ridden military procurement system. It is another to intervene in ways that tilt the scales away from using American taxpayer dollars to support American jobs and America's defense manufacturing capacity. And McCain has a long history of doing just that.

McCain has repeatedly voted against bills that encourage defense contracts to be awarded to American companies. In 1996, McCain voted to table an amendment that required defense contractors to indicate on contracts what percentage of the contract would be manufactured in the United States. The amendment would have also required the Department of Defense to treat this as an important factor when awarding contracts.

Moreover, in 2004, McCain proposed and voted for an amendment to allow the Defense Department to waive "Buy American" requirements, opening defense contracts to firms in seven countries that have a "declaration of principles" with the United States.

McCain has been wresting with the Air Force over the tanker deal since 2001, when he spotted a $30 billion earmark for Boeing in a defense appropriations bill and argued that the contract should have been competitively bid. In 2004, McCain again helped scuttle a contract deal and exposed improper dealings between a top Air Force official and Boeing.

But the relationships that McCain has developed with lobbyists for Airbus cast a dark shadow over his good government image. Despite McCain's claim that he never weighed in for or against anybody that competed for the contract, McCain has received over $14,000 from EADS employees--more than any other member of Congress. In addition, many of McCain's top advisers lobbied for EADS to win the Air Force contract. Among them:

McCain's campaign co-chairman, Thomas Loeffler, who runs the Loeffler Group lobbying firm, earned $220,000 working for EADS in 2007. Loeffler was the McCain campaign national finance chairman when his firm was hired to lobby for EADS.
Susan Nelson, McCain's finance director, and William L. Ball III, were also Loeffler executives working for EADS.
Wayne Berman, vice chairman of the McCain campaign, worked for EADS through another lobbying firm, Ogilvy Government Relations, where he is a partner. Ogilvy earned $240,000 from EADS in 2007.
Kirk Blalock, a national chairman of Young Professionals for McCain, and his lobbying firm, Fierce, Isakowitz & Blalock, earned $320,000 from EADS in 2007, according to disclosure forms required by Congress.
A co-founder of Oglivy Government Relations, John Green, is now the McCain campaign's government liaison.
From his promotion of an anti-American worker legislative agenda to his intimate involvement with EADS, McCain played an integral role in the Air Force's decision to choose EADS over Boeing. Awarding the contract to Boeing would have supported at least 44,000 new and existing American jobs. At most, EADS will support around 2,000 American jobs, according to one military analyst.

Even McCain's Republican backers were astonished as his support of EADS over Boeing. As McCain supporter Rep. Dave Reichert, R-Wash., stated, "If John McCain believes that Airbus or EADS is the company for our Air Force tanker program, he's flat-out wrong -- and I'll tell him that to his face."

And so should every American worker who doesn't want our defense jobs shipped overseas.

What happened when you wet your panties and claimed to be going to the Kos? If I recall correctly even a bunch of lefties told you to get packing bitch.

Posted by 101Chairborne

In your dreams moron. How about a juggling bit? This monkey act is getting old.

You learn your nouns in prison....bitch?

PS .... bitch

I spent about a half an hour at Kos reading up.

And I'm not on someone else's dime ripping them off every day while I do blog either....dishonest bitch

I had to come throw a few peanuts at you.

Clap clap clap

What a baboon/buffoon show you put on.

AU..you are sounding a little desperate there ...I'm sure if you hang around a bit, 101 will get around to humiliating you again.

Whatever you say KERRING

Desperate? Ha ha ha ha ha ha

I know a clown in a monkey suit like 101 when I see one. In the months I've been here I can't recall one salient point he's made about anything.

But, he sure is fond of acting like a 10 year old who just learned new swear words - on his employers dime of course, all day every Mon-Fri until he punches the clock, looks in the mirror, and fails the self recognition test as most simians do

Like I said...desperate.

In your dreams moron. How about a juggling bit? This monkey act is getting old.

You learn your nouns in prison....bitch?

Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2008-03-24 12:40 PM | Reply


So you're saying if I visit that nooner I won't see people from the left side of the aisle telling you to more or less take a hike? Are you sure you want to go there? We both know it happened, but only one of us is admitting it.

As A tragically Caucasian, right-wing Nut. who loves FOX, I have to say Hannity was never my favorite, He uses tactics of the left, to take somewhat controversial or even innocuous things and try to elevate them to catastrophic scandals. He runs things into the ground, But I don't begrudge him that, after this reverend Wright thing would not have been a big deal if Fox and Hannity hadn't have brought it to light. Because the rest of the media knew about it, But tried to bury it. But McCain traveling with a lobbyist was a tremendous "question of Judgement" so although Haniity does often "beat a dead horse" and this Hall Turner thing could or could not be a blemish on him.

I am glad someone on our side is in the media, doing there job.

And I am still waiting for someone in the left Media, to mention the fact that the Guy who has single-handled drove Detroit into the ground has been indicted..Oh Look another Democrat..seems that "culture of corruption" is a politician thing,

101, I checked it out, and it looks like most of the left-wing pansies were begging AU to stay. Cock Starvis was leading the whiner parade.

PS That sermon was delived the first Sunday after the 9/11 attacks.

delivered

" He runs things into the ground"
Yes,he does...which is why I ussually only listen/watch when I like his guests.


Althought the shit really seemed to hit the fan when ABC outed Wright' sermons and BHO's complacency with his rhetoric....with vid.

AU - Where is a link to Amb. Peck's actual interview?? Or even a transcript?

101, I checked it out, and it looks like most of the left-wing pansies were begging AU to stay. Cock Starvis was leading the whiner parade.

Posted by JOE at 2008-03-24 02:36 PM | Reply


Then I owe AU an apology, I was mistaken.
AU,
I was apparently mistaken, and no lefties urged you to be a man of your word and leave. They apparently don't mind watching you throw a hissy fit and acting like a spoiled child.

I am however quite sure Corky has repeatedly jammed that post down your throat.

"I may stop back from time to time to check things out...". "time to time" means all day, and all night apparently.

How ironic that Wright was quoting verbatim from the previous day's FoxNews guest, Ambassador Edward Peck.

. . .

Of course, they're too chicken to point out they bashed Wright for reading a transcript from one of FoxNew's own shows. Typical.

The guy was also on CNN after 9/11; he must have been making the cable circuit rounds:

it's obvious why the ABC News editors would deem a line such as "America's chickens are coming home to roost" as newsworthy. But how did they decide that most of what came immediately after that line was irrelevant. Would most Americans not have responded in a different way if they had then heard Wright say:

Violence begets violence. Hatred begets hatred. And terrorism begets terrorism. A white ambassador [Edward Peck] said that y'all, not a black militant. Not a reverend who preaches about racism. An ambassador whose eyes are wide open and who is trying to get us to wake up and move away from this dangerous precipice upon which we are now poised. The ambassador said the people we have wounded don't have the military capability we have. But they do have individuals who are willing to die and take thousands with them. And we need to come to grips with that.

Rev Wright was telling his congregation, pay attention to this white man, Edward Peck. It's worth listening to what he has to say. It's worth taking into consideration the opinion of a man who had been the Deputy Director of the White House Task Force on Terrorism under President Ronald Reagan, former Deputy Coordinator, Covert Intelligence Programs at the State Department, U.S. Ambassador and Chief of Mission to Iraq (1977-1980), and a 32-year veteran of the Foreign Service. At least, as far as Rev Wright was concerned, Edward Peck was worth listening to and that's what he told his congregation.

On October 8, 2001, on CNN, Peck was asked: "Wouldn't this war against terrorism be a mistake if we stop at Osama bin Laden and don't take out Saddam Hussein as well?"

Peck said it would not be a mistake because, "when you take out Saddam Hussein, the key question you have to ask then is, what happens after that? And we don't have a clue. Nobody knows, but it's probably going to be bad. And a lot of people are going to be very upset about that, because that really is not written into our role in this world is to decide who rules Iraq."

Rev Wright suggested that "in the wake of the American tragedy" of 9/11, in a process of self-examination, it would really be in America's interests to listen to people such as Edward Peck. ABC News and much of the rest of the media would rather that we pay attention to a few ill-chosen phrases.

Too bad CNN forgot to play the rest of Wright's comments and to mention Peck in any of this in its coverage of Wright.
Posted by Gal_Tuesday


GAL - good point. But can you provide a link or transcript of the interview Wright used as his source? I would really appreciate it.

Thanks GalTuesday but I have already seen this video and several others. What I want to see is the actual interview with Ambassador Peck, supposedly the basis for Wright's sermon. Some posters have even implied that because Wright kept glancing at his notes durng the tirade, he was quoting the Ambassador verbatim all the way.

Nobody seems able to provide that video link or even a transcript.

Peck said ths on CNN on October 11, 2001:

The difficulty that we face is that I support -- because I understand how democracy works -- we have to go out and do the sorts of things we are doing. So we will mercilessly, viciously, effectively attack and destroy all kinds of symptoms. When the rubble has settled and the dust is gone, the disease is still going to be out there untouched. Because we don't want to look at why, why it is that all of these people hate us. It's not because of freedom. It's not because Brittney Spears has a belly button or because we export hamburgers. They hate us because of things they see us doing to their part of the world that they definitely do not like.

Gal & Null - thanks for the background. I will study.

Found this on the percentage of blacks who believe the US government created AIDS to harm black people:

Kaiser Daily HIV/AIDS Report

Nearly Half of African Americans Believe HIV Is Manmade; Beliefs Hurt Prevention Efforts, Study Says
[Jan 25, 2005]

A "significant proportion" of surveyed African Americans believe that U.S. government scientists created HIV to eradicate or "control" African-American communities, according to a study released Tuesday and published in the Feb. 1 issue of the Journal of Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndromes, the Washington Post reports (Fears, Washington Post, 1/25). RAND Corporation and Oregon State University researchers surveyed by telephone 500 African Americans ages 15 to 44, asking their opinion on a series of questions about HIV/AIDS "myths," according to a RAND release (RAND release, 1/25). Nearly half of respondents said they believe that HIV is manmade, with approximately 12% of respondents saying they believe HIV was created and spread by the CIA, according to the study (Washington Post, 1/25). Nearly 27% of respondents agreed that "AIDS was produced in a government laboratory." In addition, about 16% of survey respondents agreed that the government created HIV/AIDS to "control" the black population, and about 15% agreed with a statement saying that AIDS is a form of "genocide" against African Americans. The study -- which was supported by the National Institute of Child Health and Human Development -- found that men were more likely than women to believe HIV/AIDS-related "conspiracy theories" and that African-American men who have such beliefs are less likely to use condoms to protect against HIV transmission, according to the release. However, African-American women who have similar beliefs were not less likely to report condom use, according to the release.

I posted the above to give some context to this part of Wright's sermon:

"Maybe we need to declare war on AIDS. In five minutes the Congress found $40 billion to rebuild New York and the families that died in sudden death, do you think we can find the money to make medicine available for people who are dying a slow death? Maybe we need to declare war on the nation's healthcare system that leaves the nation's poor with no health coverage? Maybe we need to declare war on the mishandled educational system and provide quality education for everybody, every citizen, based on their ability to learn, not their ability to pay. This is a time for social transformation."

Peck said ths on CNN on October 11, 2001:

Correction: the show aired on October 8, 2001.

Peck was pretty prophetic, BTW:

No. 1 is that nobody in this world -- with the possible exception of Tony Blair -- gives us the right to decide who rules Iraq. That is not part of our charter. It is not part of our mandate. Now, they can't stop us, because we are who we are. But when you take out Saddam Hussein, the key question you have to ask then is, what happens after that? And we don't have a clue. Nobody knows, but it's probably going to be bad. And a lot of people are going to be very upset about that, because that really is not written into our role in this world is to decide who rules Iraq.

Rev Wright suggested that "in the wake of the American tragedy" of 9/11, in a process of self-examination, it would really be in America's interests to listen to people such as Edward Peck. ABC News and much of the rest of the media would rather that we pay attention to a few ill-chosen phrases.


Bullshit. Wright made those comments 1 week after 9/11. He had no way of knowing that we would end up in Iraq and the plans for Afghansitan were just being laid out. He was saying plain and simple that we got what we had coming to us and that is flat bullshit.

Sure the Middle East has had problems with our policies for a long time but what were our actions that deserved an attack on innocent civilians? No doubt we had our nose in situations over there, but who didn't? Anyone who had a vested interest and also had the money to do it, were involved in one way or another in the Middle East. And we somehow deserved what we got?

Well, if that's what you think then you believe that we should be complete isolationists. And hey, I'm ready for that too but if we're going to do it we need to do it all or nothing. That includes illegal immigrants.

Wright's comments on 9/11 came on Sept. 16th, 2001.


Five days after 9/11 for those who can't add. This is from TIME Magazine March 31st 2008 issue.

Gal, thanks again. But I still do not see where Wright has quoted anything that Peck said verbatim, yet American Unity, the head cheerleader for Wright seemed insistent that Wright was only "quoting Fox News" and quoting an Ambassador.

Did the Ambassador talk about AIDS? Indian nations that had been wiped out? Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Etc., etc??

Right. Because no one can find stuff on the "Great Global Repository Of Everything Ever Said" (otherwise known as "The Google") Wright made up Peck's sentiments. Not only that, but Wright got Peck's sentiments correct a month before Peck said anything! It's prophecy!

No it's not at all, of course.

If you have problems resolving a conflict when faced with what is, examine your premise. Just because no one's found Peck's statements when Wright said he heard them doesn't mean he didn't say them.

Who cares who said it first or if he was quoting someone else!?! People quote others, when they want to make a point, all the time. It does not take away from any of their sincerity if said in the same context. And Wright said it in a nastier context than Peck ever did I assure you.

This is such a ridiculous way to attempt to let someone off the hook.

Wright's comments on 9/11 came on Sept. 16th, 2001.

Five days after 9/11 for those who can't add. This is from TIME Magazine March 31st 2008 issue.

I don't know if this particular sermon was given on that day despite what Time says. Maybe it was; I don't know. If Andrew Sullivan's transcript I linked to above is correct, then Wright did mention hearing Peck:

I heard Ambassador Peck on an interview yesterday. Did anybody else see him or hear him, he was on Fox News. This is a white man, and he was upsetting the Fox News commentators to no end. He pointed out, (Did you see him, John?) --a white man-- he pointed out-- an ambassador-- that what Malcolm X said when he got silenced by Elijah Mohammad was in fact true, America's chickens are coming home to roost.

It's possible Peck was on Fox the week after Sept. 11. I get the feeling though that at least a week had passed after the attacks though because Wright says:

Folk flocked to the church in New Jersey last week, you know that foxhole-religion syndrome kicked in, that emergency chord religion, you know that little red box you pull in emergency? It showed up in full force. Folk who aint thought about coming to church in years, were in church last week. I heard that mid-week prayer services all over this country which are poorly attended fifty-one week a year were jam packed all over the nation the week of the hijacking the 52nd week.

Maybe the comments were made on September 23rd?

Mr. Fair,

My mistake about the AIDs comments being in this speech. They weren't. I doubt Peck mentioned the Sioux or Hiroshama in any of his commentary. Personally, I also doubt he made the chickens are coming home to roost comment. In some of the comments I've seen cited, Peck did mention our bombing of Iraq pre 9/11. Some of the commentary I've also read on the interview Peck did with Fox indicated that the Fox anchors got pretty upset with Peck to the point that someone (who I think knew Peck) speculated he'd never be invited back on any of their shows.

For my part, I think Wright did hear Peck, got some of what he said and then added in a lot of other things he didn't say. My own take on why he included the stuff about Native Americans and our bombing Japan was to make the case that we had killed innocent people and that those "trangressions" were now being repaid. In a Biblical kind of way.

America's chickens are coming home, to roost. Violence begets violence. Hatred begets hatred, and terrorism begets terrorism.

This reminds me, albeit in a roundabout way, of Jesus saying: "Ye have heard it said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosever shall smite thee on they right cheeck, turn to him the other also. . . ."

Or: "Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbor, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefuly use you and persecute you."

Ok, So?

And Sean Hannity isn't allowed to have any pals?

You Liberal BITCHES!

Here is something Peck said about the US and international terrorism:

Speaking in July 2006 to syndicated US radio news programme Democracy Now!, Peck said that:

"In 1985, when I was the Deputy Director of the Reagan White House Task Force on Terrorism, they asked us -- this is a Cabinet Task Force on Terrorism; I was the Deputy Director of the working group -- they asked us to come up with a definition of terrorism that could be used throughout the government. We produced about six, and each and every case, they were rejected, because careful reading would indicate that our own country had been involved in some of those activities. [ ... ] After the task force concluded its work, Congress got into it, and you can google into U.S. Code Title 18, Section 2331, and read the U.S. definition of terrorism. And one of them in here says -- one of the terms, "international terrorism," means "activities that," I quote, "appear to be intended to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination or kidnapping." [ ... ] Yes, well, certainly, you can think of a number of countries that have been involved in such activities. Ours is one of them. Israel is another. And so, the terrorist, of course, is in the eye of the beholder."

How can you turn the sworn testimony of this honorable public servant into a justification for that racist animal's hate speech??

Gal, you are left of Grace Slick!

Ok, So?

~Neo-ConArtist 4 Ever

Who's yer inspiration for that post?

Dick Cheney?

Yes, well, certainly, you can think of a number of countries that have been involved in such activities. Ours is one of them. Israel is another. And so, the terrorist, of course, is in the eye of the beholder.

Why do you think Saddam was hung for an incident that the american government had no part in?

A convenient way to seperate itself from charges of War Crimes and terrorism.

Think: Halabja.

Nice posts, Gal!

Be Well.

That voodoo preacher man should not be within 1000 feet of children, kept locked up in shackles in a 4' by 4' box like President McCain was and stay there for the rest of his filthy, hate-filled life!

"Why do you think Saddam was hung for an incident that the american government had no part in?

A convenient way to seperate itself from charges of War Crimes and terrorism."

...Mr. Potatohead.



What's your point?

Here's Peck on the media's lack of coverage on the harmful deeds the US carries out and its ramifications overseas (bold mine):

Peck suggested that the media bears much responsibility in banging the drums of war. Because most Americans remain relatively unaware of events and even the existence of countries outside the realm of their everyday life, he explained, they rely on the media (especially television) to explicate crises such as the then-impending invasion.

The mainstream media's value in terms of conveying a balanced perspective is often sub-standard, Peck noted, as the large media firms are driven not by improving the public weal but by sheer profit. Lack of coverage on such basic breaches of the United States Constitution as the nonexistence of congressional authorization for war contrasts with the incessant repetition of a so-called "smart bomb" hitting a target from the first Gulf war, he pointed out.

As a result, the American public will never be able to comprehend what drives foreigners' alleged hatred of the American way of life, the retired ambassador explained. Thus, the many harmful deeds carried out by the U.S. against nation-states in the Arab and Muslim world are obfuscated and marginalized.

Lemme put to you douchies another way.

If you are playing a game, and you have cheat codes to get through any challenge, you were losing....would you or would you not use the cheat codes? OF COURSE YOU WOULD! Thank God the people who know what's best for our country care enough to use them! That's why you are all pissed off with no power. You would rather sabotage your own country than doing what's best for fucking America!

We make the rules so we can break the rules when we have to. What part of that don't you idiots understand? We wanted our own middle eastern country....Iraq was the slowest and fattest cow in the pasture....we did it. You fucking liberals turned the country against itself in the middle of it all. As soon as you shut the fuck up and quit pestering us so we can finish the damn job! You can't handle the fact that the people who have the most at stake with the fate of the country are the ones running it. They've got all of their wealth and power on the line while you faggots blog on your gandma's basement floor while searching for that last Cheeto you bounced off of your shirt.

That's why I act like my dick is big, that fucking psychobabble is you're ilk's loser interpretation that life is a serious of diagnoses when the truth is that life is about WHO WANTS IT MOST!

And that is why you will always be educated, yet as dumb as crawdad soup, as sure of yourself as Obama, but as naive as Obama. Your world is the Junior Varsity of the very same human evolution that you faggots use to justify what is really in the hearts of men. That cannot be measured by typing and bitching, but by pushing enough people and shoving the right people out of the way.

WELCOME TO REALITY FUCKERS!

Maybe the comments were made on September 23rd?-Gal Tuesday


Take it up with TIME Magazine, I just read it today with the date in bold red ink. I also found it very interesting how they "misquoted" Wright. They wrote that he said " The United States of White America", whenwhat he really said was the United States of KKK America. Lovely touch on trying to tone down what he actually said. I heard the tape so I KNOW he said it.

As for the date he said the chickens are coming home to roost being 9/16/2001, they aren't the only source I have seen with that date. Hell, even if they are, it's TIME and they are very biased already so I don't see why they wouldn't have pushed the date back to soften that quote as well.

Everlong,

Maybe I will take it up with Time. Got a link by any chance?

Hannity is nothing without Rush. Anyone who has ever listened to Hannity knows that his show is almost a rehash of the Limbaugh talking points.

Sorry, Gal Tuesday, I read it out of the magazine. I plan on emailing them about misquoting Wright as well. After reading the entire article, and although it was pretty fair, I felt like I was reading an apology for Wright and Obama. Not unlike what I'm seeing here ironically. But, for them to replace KKK America with White America it just seemed purposefully done. I mean, how can you miss KKK in a comment?

Best I can give you is what I already have. March 31st, 2001 issue page 41.

Sorry, 2008 issue.

As a black man, I say big deal! The article does NOT state there was an actual relationship. If anything, it looks like Hannity lookedfor a controversial caller to call in to spice up the show and its ratings.

The liberal Dems can hardly get upset here because DEMOCRAT Sen. Bryd from West Virgina was not only a member of the KKK but also a leader in the KKK and Dems keep voting him back into office. Dems love racists. Look at Obama's support for Rev. Wright! Bill Clinton's mentor Democrat Sen. Fulbright was a well known segragationalist. Al Gore's father, Sen. Al Gore Sr. voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

You are mistaken, although you sound like a classy negro. The liberal Dems will get upset at anything besides their asinine view of the universe.

For my part, I think Wright did hear Peck, got some of what he said and then added in a lot of other things he didn't say. My own take on why he included the stuff about Native Americans and our bombing Japan was to make the case that we had killed innocent people and that those "trangressions" were now being repaid. In a Biblical kind of way.
Posted by Gal_Tuesday


GAL - This is what I was thinking too. Which contradicts the Reverend's own words and implication:

"I heard Ambassador Peck on an interview yesterday. Did anybody else see him or hear him, he was on Fox News. This is a white man, and he was upsetting the Fox News commentators to no end. He pointed out, (Did you see him, John?) --a white man-- he pointed out-- an ambassador-- that what Malcolm X said when he got silenced by Elijah Mohammad was in fact true, America's chickens are coming home to roost..." And so on...

Some of the more stubborn Wright cheerleaders were trying to say Wright was reading Peck's actual words as he glanced at his notes during the sermon.

Therefore, it's not a matter of Wright simply "quoting Fox News" as DR poster AmericanUnity has insisted, but that somewhere along the way, Wright saw or heard or read Peck and used his words to launch that anti-American tirade that is being called a sermon.

My point has remained the same: you can righteously "get Biblical" as Wright has done, without getting anti-American as he clearly did. MLK pulled it off extremely well.

In any case GAL - thanks for being a fair debater and researcher.

GAL - thanks for the link. The antics of the current Archbishop of Canterbury have caused Anglicans to lose brownie points with lots of people, not just me.

Having said that, yes - this guy makes the same point you and I agree on. But not being American, he is likely not as sensitive to someone saying "God damn America!" as I am. And being Anglican (with an Archbishop like that in charge) he's probably pretty laid back to begin with.

Mr. Fair,

As I've mentioned before on here, I think what Wright was saying was, "God will damn American" for for killing innocent people ("No, no, no, God damn America, that's in the Bible for killing innocent people."). At least, that's what I hope he meant. For now, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt because he was a Marine, has a record of doing good work in the community, etc. Personally, I never cared much for the whole fire and brimstone rhetoric, but I realize there is a long Christian tradition of it.

ok Gal

Say what you will about Sean Hannity, but he is protected by the same generous hand that provides for dogs, 'tards, and even the ubiquitous willful ignoramuses who really have no good excuse for being so stupid.

"... blah blah blah... For fucks sake, you seem totally oblivious to your surroundings."

no, not at all.
there's a huge difference from throwing forward words on a website's thread and running hannity and o'reilly in a news context.

speaking to critics of my above posts from yesterday...
twas a rhetorical question, really, about why the reps need the reinforcement and libs don't.
tis just the case... why is irrelevant.
i like someone's suggestion that it's the small penis.

while some took offense to my fairness doctrine comment, more than one is correct when they point out that tis all about revenue. true, of course.
which leads to, the question of what could/should be done in regards to reinstating any given form of it...
excellent question... truth is, i don't know... but things to think about...
the news organization has a responsibility to convey the truth. if that isn't accepted, stop reading and move one.
we've spin doctors and purveyors of ideology spouting half truths for hours every day in a news setting on tv. o'reilly and hannity are, in every way, fox news... but they aren't reporting the news... they are spinning it to their liking.
what level of honesty is required by these people? how much spin is acceptable? are they seen as talking heads and newscasters? is what they put forth seen as news? and o'reilly, whatever he is, is in at least some small way and advocate as he calls for bans and such from his pulpit.
seemingly in a news context.
and yes, i can tell the difference.
but there's a lot of dumb to be found.

this is not the same media of any earlier generation and the news-power is in fewer hands.
i understand the skeptics, entirely... though tis worth pondering about.

all the best

I don't think Wright referred to KKK America in that speech? I think it was in another one of his speeches. But, yes, for them to change it to "white America" is wrong.


Gal, I figured that he at least said white America at another point but it is just more evidence of softening and apologizing by TIME to use the less offensive term. Let's be honest here, if a republican made two similar bigoted remarks TIME would no doubt print the worst one.

As for the date, I'm just giving you what I read yesterday.

Gal Tuesday, I just emailed the editor of TIME about not using the KKK quote. Are you going to do the same about the possible wrong date of Wright's comments on 9/11?

The reason there are so few liberal radio programs is very easy to figure out. NOBODY LISTENS tot hem. It is all about revenue.

Posted by retnluvnit at 2008-03-24 10:50 AM | Reply | Flag:


.....and yet half the country votes that way. That just tells me that most left-leaning people are smart enough that they don't need to be told what to think.

The reason there are so few liberal radio programs is very easy to figure out. NOBODY LISTENS tot hem. It is all about revenue.

Posted by retnluvnit at 2008-03-24 10:50 AM | Reply | Flag:


.....and yet half the country votes that way. That just tells me that most left-leaning people are smart enough that they don't need to be told what to think.

Posted by COMMONSENSE


Oh, give me a break. I get so sick of that BS line about how republicans somehow can't think for themselves. It is such crap.

Have you ever listened to Air America? I have and it is horrible. At the same time, I listen to Alan Colmes show and it is rather good. Reason being, it is thought provoking and smart, just like many conservative programs. And if conservative shows are just some medium to show conservatives what to think, then why do so many liberals listen to them?

Liberals who think that they are the only free thinking individuals on the planet are not only arrogant but ignorant as well.

COMMONSENSE - or more likely, it's this:

"Democrats never agree on anything, that's why they're Democrats. If they agreed with each other, they would be Republicans."
Will Rogers

Whats the big deal here? It is well known by most people with an ability to think and understand that Hannity is a closet rascist!