and once again...RUSH IS RIGHT......and here is what he predicted.
now that the surge has worked, the left will focus their attention on the cost because they have little left to bring up.
and right on cue......you people are so predictable.

"Will focus their attention on cost...."

"Cost" is everything war is about. This is why Rush helps lose the war. I don't expect him to take his head out of ass until paid twenty million to do so.

This gets to why neoconservatism is so awful. You can't just redefine reality and then get angry at those that say: "What the Hell?"

"now that the surge has worked, the left will focus their attention on the cost because they have little left to bring up."

YEAH!

Says the "conservative" comentator!

"now that the surge has worked, the left will focus their attention on the cost because they have little left to bring up."

YEAH!

Says the "conservative" comentator!

This gets me back in touch with why everything went so terribly wrong. The neoconservatives DID speak of cost before the start of the war, but it was the cost everyone except us would pay.

They argued, essentially, that we'll have a war with Iraq and the worst thing that will happen is that everyone gets chocolate cheescake delivered to their front door.

and I am waiting on the quote from t jefferson about cost of war and all that.......will it come from the left or the right?

so zed...I beleive you are going to have to explain a little further your comment about how rush has helped to lose a war thats not over and even if it was, I still dont see how he helped to lose it.
please comment on that one for me.

BUSHLOVER---Tell me at what point in time RUSH was in favor of reinforcing Iraq to any meaningful degree? Was this before or after Democrats retook Congress?

You could also tell me how RUSH dealt with anyone that suggested Iraq needed reinforcement before he himself was in favor?

Let's pare that down a tad: Did RUSH ever state the neoconservative meme that requests for reinforcements were a ploy by defeatist Democrats, designed to emphasize Bush failures for personal political gain?

in your first post you ask an excellent question and in your 2nd post, can you be more specific.
am I reading it right? are you saying that the dems wanted more troops to make bush look bad?
I must be misreading your intent.

wouldnt paying the people we were fighting thereby seeing a reduction in violence be considered surrender?

I'm saying reinforcement was rejected by Bush and the neoconservatives because it suggested mistakes had been made.

Not all Democrats supported reinforcement. I did even though I loathed the war because it seemed necessary. If I had called that into RUSH anytime before November, 2006, what would he call me?

I dont think so and I am sure you arent surprised at that are you...ha ha.
so we havent made deals with people before and does it really make that much of a differenc and I say that fully acknowledging that if the shoe were on the other foot, we wouls still be on opposite sides.

expect to be schooled when this policy comes to bite you in the ass 1 2 or 3 years from now, cause it will and you will once again be wrong.

If I had called that into RUSH anytime before November, 2006, what would he call me?

Posted by Zed at 2008-03-23 10:58


I dont know, I dont recall what he was saying at the time on this issue, but unlike your side I dont assume it was what you are saying.

so have any of you guys heard what I just head on meet the press..
that hillary talked about landing in some country and having to run with thier heads down because of sniper fire and people ON THAT TRIP, said thats not even close to the case?

off topic but this threads seems to be where people are and hans isnt.

so we havent made deals with people

should have a question mark after it????? as in see there......sorry for the foul up and I am sure that hans AT THIS MOMENT is going back through 2 or 3 years of my posts to put out.....

I dont recall


Bullshitlover29% doing his best reagan impression.

"Having to run with their heads down...."

Akin to Bush's famous statement he'd been to war.

If Clinton lies, I expectt her to take the appropriate hit in regards to the nomination.

Bush only revealed to the world he was a war veteran until after he was elected.

expect to be schooled when this policy comes to bite you in the ass 1 2 or 3 years from now, cause it will and you will once again be wrong.

Posted by truthhurts at 2008-03-23


so how will it bite me in the ass.
oh I think I see......are you saying these same people will in the future be fighting against us with things we gave them??????

if thats what you are saying, wouldnt a secure and working government go a long way to keeping that from happening?

thats right truth.......me and ronnie are the only two people in the world who have ever said...I dont recall. hell thats pretty much hillary's middle name....


ZED ZED.........I will remember your bush deflection the next time I come up with a blowjob billy comment.
but I guess we are getting closer and closer to a time when the clinton deflections will be less frequent than the bush ones. ha ha

on the hilllary thing......a speechwriter on that trip and EVEN sinbad who was there says they dont remember it quite that way.......and russert introduced it by saying that the situation was less than secure, so they sent hillary instead of bill....now I know that he was the pres.....but come on....sending her...............whatsupwitht hat,

would stopping the tax rebates help

would stopping the tax rebates help

POSTED BY MCDUFF


Don't sweat the rebates it's only Chinese money.

BL2,

Honestly what are Americans gaining for being in Iraq ? Why is it that The NIE clearly states Iraq has made America less safe with the increase in Terrorism. The surge "Is" and was designed to place "Enough" of a military Force to place a Blanket of Troops to calm the Attacks. This would give the Iraq Government time to Pass the Laws to set the Country straight. (Note That The Army COS Sated He Needed 500,000 Troops) before the War even started and was laughed at. Why is the Iraq Army not ready after 4 years of training?

-Sarge

and once again...RUSH IS RIGHT......and here is what he predicted.

Hmm

He predicted:

We've cut our casualty rates to the unacceptable levels that plagued us back in 2005, and we still don't have any exit plan for years to come

The United States seems to have slipped into recession; Americans are losing their homes, jobs and health insurance; banks are struggling -- and the Iraq war appears to have aggravated all these domestic woes.

"The present economic mess is very much related to the Iraq war," says Joseph Stiglitz, the Nobel Prize-winning economist. "It was at least partially responsible for soaring oil prices. ...Moreover, money spent on Iraq did not stimulate the economy as much as the same dollars spent at home would have done.

To cover up these weaknesses in the American economy, the Fed let forth a flood of liquidity; that, together with lax regulations, led to a housing bubble and a consumption boom

I've argued that staying in Iraq indefinitely undermines our national security by empowering jihadis -- just as we now know that our military presence in Saudi Arabia in the 1990s was, in fact, counterproductive by empowering Al Qaeda in its early days.



Kristof's bottom line:

But if you believe that staying in Iraq does more good than harm, you must answer the next question: Is that presence so valuable that it is worth undermining our economy?


Rush of course didn't answer this question. No need to deal with details when your audience isn't up to anything but sound bites.

Rush of course didn't answer this question. No need to deal with details when your audience isn't up to anything but sound bites.




Posted by Zap at 2008-03-23


demeaning his audience is skirting the issue. but its what we have come to expect.
a stable iraq is important to the entire region as israel living in peace is. there IS a war on terror and iraq is the front lines. I have no doubt there would have been at least one major attack if not more without the diligence of the bush administraion and the war on terror now centered in iraq and I also believe that not giving that even a chance of being true, is very naive.


and now the hillary running through sniper fire LIE has made it to georgie's show.....is it growing legs?????

As well would the fiscally responsible Rush, Bush or BLshit comment on this:


"This is the first major war in American history where all the additional cost was paid for by borrowing," Mr. Hormats notes. If the war backers believe that the Iraq war is so essential, then they should be willing to pay for it partly with taxes rather than charging it.

a stable iraq is important to the entire region as israel living in peace is. there IS a war on terror and iraq is the front lines.

You evade the question. It remains:

But if you believe that staying in Iraq does more good than harm, you must answer the next question: Is that presence so valuable that it is worth undermining our economy?

Why is the Iraq Army not ready after 4 years of training?

-Sarge

Posted by Sarge at 2008-03-23 11:27 AM


BRO.....I also firmly believe that is the question of the day and maybe of the year when it comes to iraq? I dont understand why but unlike every other subject I ever comment on, I am not AN EXPERT in that field. it would seem to me that by now there would have to be more iraqis up and running.
or is it a media thing? we just dont hear about all of the things they are doing and I DONT MEAN THat as a liberal media thing, I mean it in the context of iraq not being the burning issue at the moment.

zap.....denying that it doesnt hurt would be a .....uh....a pretty liberal way of dealing with it. but undermining the economy.....I dont think so in the larger picture but you know me.
I dont make predictions.

well except this one.

sooner or later, hans will post one of my posts and then post a picture of 'doo doo' or a silly clown. thats a lock.

and make no mistake.....I think 5k a second is not a small amount.
hell thats almost as much as I get for helping love lorn women through rough spots........okay...would you believe its more than I pay for porn?

BRO.....I also firmly believe that is the question of the day and maybe of the year when it comes to iraq?


Just another one of the many "no one could have imagined" moments.


Truly the most clueless of administrations. Clueless maybe way to kind.

I dont think so in the larger picture but you know me.


Speaking of Hans, you were and stating you don't make predictions shows your selective memory. You do take after Ronnie.

How do you explain this economy, are we tanked only because of the tax cuts?

This is the first major war in American history where all the additional cost was paid for by borrowing," Mr. Hormats notes. If the war backers believe that the Iraq war is so essential, then they should be willing to pay for it partly with taxes rather than charging it.


yes and its also one of the first where the public hasnt sacrificed things as they did during ww2 with all of the victory things and giving up lots of things for the war effort. liberals are more content with telling the world that not only will we not win but that we have already lost....see pelosi and reid....and yes I know the difference between ww2 and iraq so save it for another time.
we are still at war and men and women are still giving thier lives for our freedom and security and the difference is I honor them with that and the left....AND LARRY demean thier sacrifice by saying it means nothing.
AND again that in no way means that I am saying there should be no discussion on it and there should be no questioning of what is happening....

but alas.......duty calls and the first race at fairgrounds is moments away.....

hasta laredo

I know the difference between ww2 and iraq so save it for another time.


Indeed you do there is no Draft which is needed but won't be instated because it would remove all support for a war of commerce.

Speaking of Hans, you were and stating you don't make predictions shows your selective memory. You do take after Ronnie.



do I really need to point out that the dont make predictions smack was what we in the right wing music call........A JOKE........get it.....thats about all I do is make predictions and here I said.
but you know me...I dont make predictions....see hows thats like satire..
damn......I was right the other day...the only issue we all agree on is DICK JOKES......ha ha ha ha

but alas.......duty calls and the first race at fairgrounds is moments away.....


Tail between legs........

please zap let me put it in the proper way....

HORSE SHIT.......get it....get it.....

we in the right wing music call........A JOKE


Yes indeed as the right wing has joked us into a recession.

HORSE SHIT


From Texas no doubt. From Clinton's Boom to Bush's Bust.

Surely some seconds aren't worth five thou. Maybe Cheney could proclaim a discount from midnight to 6 a.m.: only four thou per second. herm

Well, it's not like we were wasting the money on education, school lunches or children's health care.

And, as noted above, the biggest backers don't want to pay for it either; they want their own tax bill cut while this bankrupts the country. For this, they call themselves 'patriots.'

Don't worry--China will pick up the bill and deficits don't matter.

Vote republican.

Buffalo Bob

"Happy Oester"

Since you [and a few others on DR] are an avowed atheist I don't want you to feel left out today, Easter Sunday.

Instead you can be more comfortable celebrating the pagan version of "Easter" by worshipping the Anglo-Saxon goddess of fertility -- Oester [Easter].

Calfchris

I spend Easter like every other day: Not worshipping sky fairies. So---did Jesus lay sll those colored eggs or was it Mary? I know so little about your religion.

Sheesh, the guy offers you Happy Oester greetings and you have the need to talk about Jesus and Mary. Back into your nice white coat..............

Ride_On


Sheesh, the guy offers you Happy Oester greetings and you have the need to talk about Jesus and Mary. Back into your nice white coat..............

Posted by ride_on at 2008-03-23 02:55 PM


He offered me nothing but an insult, dummy. Same as I offer to you, only in a clearer language so your dumb ass can appreciate it.

;-)

Trouble in the Middle East--throw money at it. Trouble with the war--throw money at it. Money solves all problems--5000 a minute is cheap when the Chinese are paying. When the bill comes due--we attack the Chinese--simple isn't it.

Dear Mr McCain,

What's $5,000 a second times 1,000 years?

Just wondering.

Thanks

"A Taxpayer"

"I know so little about your religion...."

Church services are three times per week where I live. Come on down.

Your trillions of tax dollars going to build roads, schools, hospitals, attempting to bring safety and security in






















Iraq

$5,000 per second
$300,000 per minute
$18,000,000 per hour
$432,000,000 per day
$157,788,000,000 per year

Brilliant!

*** now that the surge has worked... BLT ****

.......the surge will "work" when we can leave Iraq.....

I have no doubt there would have been at least one major attack if not more without the diligence of the bush administraion and the war on terror now centered in iraq

Posted by bushlovertwo

So how many dead Iraqi babies are worth it? Is it OK to start a war on someone else's soil so that 50,000 of them die so 3000 of us can be saved? It seems a very cruel and inefficient way to do things.

yes and its also one of the first where the public hasnt sacrificed things as they did during ww2 with all of the victory things and giving up lots of things for the war effort. liberals are more content with telling the world that not only will we not win but that we have already lost....

Posted by bushlovertwo

And how pray tell are you sacrificing for this war which you deem so important to very existence of America and our freedom?

but alas.......duty calls and the first race at fairgrounds is moments away.....
Posted by bushlovertwo

Oh...that's how.

TFDNIHILIST

Please he'd vote for Chimpy again tomorrow.

and once again...RUSH IS RIGHT......and here is what he predicted.
now that the surge has worked, the left will focus their attention on the cost because they have little left to bring up.
and right on cue......you people are so predictable.

Posted by bushlovertwo

Excellent $75,000 comment.

Excellent $75,000 comment.

Yet it has managed to get over a quarter billion dollars worth of attention.

Oh...that's how.

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TFDNIHILIST

Please he'd vote for Chimpy again tomorrow.



Posted by Zap at 2008-03-23 11:0


first from tfd.....funny....good one

and to zed......Yes I would.

but at chron.com there is a good article written by a prof at rice who is in the jim baker institute for public policy and I agree with much of it. rather than type it here, may I suggest looking at it when you have a chance.
he is critical and praising of the war on terror.
and oh yeah he was an advisor to the iraq commission and has some good things and bad things.
of course thats IF you working stiffs have the the time.....here on JUST ABOUT MONDAY MORNING.....

and once again...RUSH IS RIGHT......and here is what he predicted.
now that the surge has worked, the left will focus their attention on the cost because they have little left to bring up.
and right on cue......you people are so predictable.

Posted by bushlovertwo

Excellent $75,000 comment.

Posted by Apocalypto



ff ~ now $500,000 retort?

first from tfd.....funny....good one

Posted by bushlovertwo

But not an answer,
tell me, how are you who really believes in this "War on Terror" in Iraq thing, are sacrificing to help make it a success?

and once again...RUSH IS RIGHT......and here is what he predicted.
now that the surge has worked, the left will focus their attention on the cost because they have little left to bring up.
and right on cue......you people are so predictable.

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Are you a fucking Tard?

Rush is a fat fucking joke.... Most people know he's just cheap entertainment... Lemme guess.... You still watch Pro-wrestling and cheer your ass off..

Has anyone told you Rush has a drug addiction? Might not wanna depend on a drug addicted foaming madman to give you your news.. Someone like you should tune to Fox...

But not an answer,
tell me, how are you who really believes in this "War on Terror" in Iraq thing, are sacrificing to help make it a success?

Posted by TFDNihilist


BL2 sacrifice? Highly unlikely.


Not when there are ponies and golf.

"and once again...RUSH IS RIGHT......and here is what he predicted."

Gee, he must be psychic. Who would ever have thought that with the economy in the toilet some of us unpatriotic America hating leftists would mention that we can't afford this stupid fucking war????
Who would ever have thought that if you make tax cuts during a war that you will have a huge deficit???

Only the incredibly stupid would think Rush's comments were anything except predictions of the obvious.
Next the brilliant Rush Limbaugh will accurately predict that evil America hating liberals think 4000 American soldiers' lives should not have been wasted in this needless war.