Boo fucking hoo. Welcome to politics, newbies. If the Obamites get any more thin-skinned, you'll be able to see their bones.

SO, Bill, got a spot on Fox News now?

Boo fucking hoo. Welcome to politics, newbies. If the Obamites get any more thin-skinned, you'll be able to see their bones.

POSTED BY COOKFISH AT 2008-03-22 05:40 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

I know cook. It is ok if your guy does it but lord knows when any conservative pundit questions patriotism you go nuts.

Hypocrisy, a Clinton standard since 1992.

The Clintons are using tactics that would make the GOP proud. Good job Clintons, you are out-Roving Rove.

Looks like Bill doesn't care if his popularity rating takes another hit in the polls if it means he can be First Husband.

"Looks like Bill doesn't care if his popularity rating takes another hit in the polls if it means he can be First Husband."

Does the First Husband get Interns in his staff? I am sure that is what Bubba wants, yeah, Interns in his Staff alright.

Member2586,

I think you mean interns ON his staff.

Obama and thin skinned...LOL!

hillary would of cried a river of tears if the canadian government actually told the truth before the Ohio primary.

Thin skin, "I always get the first question" whining is just to much.

Imagine the outcry if Obama was doing a meet and greet at a restaurant and started crying while talking about how much love he has for America.

Imagine if Obama has a white water or a insider trading and losing all information what would happen to him.

And billy cigar lewinski has the guts to bring up intrusions in our politics.......way too funny!

Does anyone think at this point that Bill Clinton has helped his wife's candidacy more than he's hurt it? The guy's supposed to be a skilled politician.

Ha ha ha ! This from the guy who brought us NAFTA, one more piece of legislation intended to dismantle America, and cripple the American worker.

RCADE, maybe Bill doesn't want Hillary elected? He is afraid that if she gets elected she might do a better job than he did and it would look bad in the histroy books.

RCade and Member,

Several friends of mine made the same claim last night about Bill secretly wanting to scuttle Hillary's nomination bid. Maybe he doesn't want his private life to be even more scrutinized for the next 4 to 8 years.

Thank you, Bill. You sure showed love for your country when you were fully responsible for its well-being and you just couldn't keep your zipper from moving with a young kid in your employ, rupturing the comity of national politics.

Bill, you did do a lot of good. But where you once lived in the White House, it's too easy after that to see you living in a glass house.

To asnwer you, Rcade, I think this kind of stuff hurts Hillary. Bill should remain rather contrite in national politics. Otherwise, he gives the impression of having learned nothing from experience.

SO, Bill, got a spot on Fox News now?

Posted by johnjkavanagh
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Whats the big deal? Bill got a spot on Limbaughs show about two weeks ago plugging for his wife. Whod a thunk it?

But...but..but I thought all our little leftist-socialist friends just LOVED Bill Clinton. This is the guy they swooned over, the guy that caused women to want to know what kind of shorts he wore, the guy who could do no wrong. Why are our little friends turning on him so? A year or so ago they were pushing Hillary for president and singing her praises. Now they are hating her...what's up here? Why are our little friends so fickle with their adoration?

I often question my own love of country (music)

If I were the former president I would not confuse Obama's obvious distain for Big Macs as dislike for our country. Willie's inability to distinguish the two has clouded his judgement.

"I think it would be a great thing if we had an election year where you had two people who loved this country and were devoted to the interest of this country,"

Said the former president, who evaded the draft and considered renouncing his citizenship

"I think it would be a great thing if we had an election year where you had two people who loved this country and were devoted to the interest of this country," said Clinton.... "And people could actually ask themselves who is right on these issues, instead of all this other stuff that always seems to intrude itself on our politics."

This is just the usual crap from Matt Drudge and his source of so-called news, Andrew Breitbart. Only two right-wing shills such as these would want to spin Clinton's statement as one that questioned Obama's patriotism.

If they had wanted to they could have spun it so that Clinton was questioning McCain's patriotism. Or his wife's. But I guess Sludge and Shitebart thought that Obama would give them most bang for the buck. Must have been a close call though.

This "story" is just what Bill Clinton meant by "all this other stuff".

Said the former president, who evaded the draft and considered renouncing his citizenship

Posted by vernon



....and cut and ran to Oxford, England where he denounced and bad-mouthed the country that he supposedly loves so much

Justnotgetting it is just not getting it. We're not your little socialist friends--we're not leftist-socialists, and we're not your friends by your own account.

You made up the fantasy that we all worship Bill Clinton. Well, I thought he was saying the right things before he was elected, but once he was in he did little that he had promised, and he succumbed to temptation, like so many politicians before and after him, to our national detriment. I was disappointed, but I forgave him.

The big thing Bill did was to let the neocons steal the government of this great country. With his zipper and his prevaricating tongue, mostly, but they were drooling over the reins of power and still do.

This is just the usual crap from Matt Drudge and his source of so-called news, Andrew Breitbart.

It's an AP story. It didn't originate with either Drudge or Breitbart.

"And people could ask themselves who is right on these issues, instead of THIS OTHER STUFF that always intrudes upon our politics"

The first thing this reminded me of was this:


"When Strom Thurmond ran for president, we voted for him. We're proud of it. And if the rest of the country had followed our lead, we wouldn't have had ALL THESE PROBLEMS over the years, either."

The subtle message of the Clinton campaign again... echoing the great Senator Trent Lott...

I love it.

I'll say this, though--Obama's advisors seem awfully paranoid.

It's an AP story. It didn't originate with either Drudge or Breitbart.

Thanks for the clarification. I didn't understand what AP was so I looked up the Wikipedia entry for it. Still not entirely clear on it and not at all sure whether that reciprocal arrangement between it and most American media outlets is altogether a healthy one.

"It is ok if your guy does it but lord knows when any conservative pundit questions patriotism you go nuts."
Posted by leonland at 2008-03-22 08:53 AM
Were does he "questions patriotism" of anyone ?

This "story" is just what Bill Clinton meant by "all this other stuff".
Posted by BlueInBushland at 2008-03-22 10:10 AM
BIB ... ageered

It's an AP story. It didn't originate with either Drudge or Breitbart.
Posted by rcade at 2008-03-22 10:55 AM
"comments an Obama aide likened to Joseph McCarthy"
It originated from the BO campaign really stretching what BC said ... Joseph McCarthy ... not even close.

I didn't understand what AP was so I looked up the Wikipedia entry for it.

Amazingly Perplexed

"BO campaign really stretching what BC said..."

Not at all. BC is "stretching" his comment so that he can deny the implication that he is saying BO is not among the candidates who love their country, even though that is precisesly what he IS implying. This is classic Clinton - just like the way they handled Geraldine Ferarro - the Clintons are playing every card in the deck, racism and patriotism included, to tarnish the man who is going to be the Democratic nominee and the next President of the United States.

The Clintons do NOT control we the people. They have outlasted their welcome, now as never before.

People are sick of Bush/Clinton/Bush/Clinton. Sick of it!

And Where are the seven years of Tax returns, Bill?Hillary? Howard? Harold? Anybody?

Bill,

Could you shove your foot a little farther in your mouth please? SC didn't quite finish ruining your reputation.

Whats the big deal? Bill got a spot on Limbaughs show about two weeks ago plugging for his wife. Whod a thunk it?
Posted by reznwerks


Bill "plugging" for Hillary? Tough plug all around.

Give it up, Bill.

We're not buying.

Libs ain't buying, Cons ain't buying.

Yer Politician License is revoked.

"It originated from the BO campaign really stretching what BC said ... "
Posted by sitdown at 2008-03-22 01:28 PM |

You forgot some of what I posted ... " It originated from the BO campaign really stretching what BC said ... Joseph McCarthy ... not even close."

And Where are the seven years of Tax returns, Bill?Hillary? Howard? Harold? Anybody?
On or about ... 04-15-08

"The former president made the comments while speculating about a general election between his wife and Republican John McCain."

He was talking about a general election between 2 (HC & JMC) people how do you add a third (BO) to his comments? The comments had nothing to do with BO stated or implied. BC speculating about a HC & JMC election and stating a hope it will be about issues and not "other stuff" is not McCarthyism nor as the BO campaign stated directed to BO's love of country.

"I think it would be a great thing if we had an election year where you had two people who loved this country and were devoted to the interest of this country," "And people could actually ask themselves who is right on these issues, instead of all this other stuff that always seems to intrude itself on our politics."

"just like the way they handled Geraldine Ferarro" ...

she left her position as a Honorary member of the Finance Committee and HC said that she did not approve of the remarks

JOHNJ

Funny as shit flag!!

I second that FF!! Washed up.

Yer Politician License is revoked.

Ha Ha Ha That Was Damn Funny !

You Get A Funny Flag

-Sarge

of course Ferarro did what she did and then said she was owed an apology by the Obama campaign!
Her remarks got 100 times the coverage than Hillary's mild disapproval got.

Bill's comments were clearly implying that if Hillary were not the candidate there would not be "two people who loved this country" running.

What is "all of this other stuff"? It is the fact that Hillary's campaign has floundered.
The Obama campaign is "all of this other stuff".

The military guy who mentioned Joe McCarthy- I guess he is old enough to think of that comparison. I hadn't. I guess it is a bit like McCarthy's fantasies about who loves or doesn't love his country.

I don't think the Obama campaign is thin skinned; this is simply a strategy to blunt one of Hillary's best assets: her husband's popularity.

Face it, she wouldn't even be in this race if it weren't for being married to Bill Clinton. He's far more popular than she is, and people who wouldn't cross the street to meet her will gladly stand in line to meet him. So the Obama campaign jumps on every opportunity to pick apart anything he says that could be taken the wrong way. Extra points if you can get him to apologize. The press starts bloviatig about how he's hurting her campaign. It's a smart strategy. As many of you have pointed out, this is hardball.

Bubba is no ordinary liar - he's a perjurer.

Personally I'm questioning Bill Clinton's love of country.

He's doing his best to rip both the American public and the Democratic Party to shreds with his stupid comments.

And I don't mean that as an Obama supporter.

The things he's said are just ... wrong

SITDOWN
Just my personal observations directed towards no one on this site, I guess I'm not as cynical as some are about BC & HC. I'm not pre predisposed with contempt towards the Clintons or any other candidates, not pointing a finger just stating what I've heard and read. Too much is attributed to what all candidates/surrogates say and write that is based on one's___ fill in the blank some rational some not.
That's the state of politics now with campaigns willing to twist what their opponents say, do, have done, could/would not do etc. and unfortunately ALL THE CAMPAIGNS are guilty. Throw what you can hope it sticks for a while, that said not everything coming from a campaign is negative/false attacks.

Bill's comments were clearly implying that if Hillary were not the candidate there would not be "two people who loved this country" running. Posted by sitdown at 2008-03-22 02:55 PM

In the context of BC's whole statement I do not see it that way.

Her remarks got 100 times the coverage than Hillary's mild disapproval got.
Posted by sitdown at 2008-03-22 02:55 PM

That's the problem regardless of what you think about the original statement or the regret afterwards, because of " ... remarks got 100 times the coverage ... " the campaigns (all have) will continue doing it ... sad.

Does anyone think at this point that Bill Clinton has helped his wife's candidacy more than he's hurt it? The guy's supposed to be a skilled politician.

Bill's done more harm than good not only to his wife's campaign but also to the Dem's chances in November.

Bill's done everything he can think of to put Barack Obama into the blox labelled "Typical Black Dem candidate" a'la Sharpton and Jackson et al.

Obama's done everything he can think of to avoid being pigeonholed as such.

From the cheesy comments made in the heat of the South Carolina Primary to the seemingly innocuous continual references to the "historical" nature of the Dem candidates this year the pattern is obvious to those of us who pay attention.

Obama resisted and Obama's nomination was all but certain when Team ClintCo decided to go for broke. Buying copies of Reverend Wrights sermons and poring over them in hopes of finding some kind of "Dean Scream" moment that could be fed to the MSM in an attempt to make this a close race once again.

To Hell with the long term consequences to the Dem Party and the political process thought the Clintons. If Hillary can't be POTUS then neither can Obama.

Scorched Earth. Slash and burn. Political suicide.

Now you got folks on the Clinton News Network repeating the same tired shit that FOX has been spewing since Obama became a candidate. Lou Dobbs especially seems to hate Obama. Spud imagines it has sommat to do with the fact that he himself has been accused of being a racist everytime he tries to have an adult conversation about the illegal immigration issue. Turnabout is fair play figures Lou. Lou figures wrong, of course, but Spud can see how his thought process works here. Look at CChris. Spud doesn't believe Chris is a racist just because as a resident of California he's on the front lines of the Illegal immigration invasion. He's been called a racist on this blog site more times than Spud's had hot dinners.

Calling CChris or Lou racist is as wrong as calling Wright or Obama racist by proxy.

TBC

Be Well.

Spud continues:

Is there still residual anger in the black community over years of injustice and prejudice, some of it systemic, in America?

No shit.

Is racism no longer an issue in America?

Not quite.

Is there a plus side here?

Spud sez yes. Yes, there is.

The racist factions in America who are so getting off over the prospect of feeding their racism by decrying Wright, and by association Obama, racist have blown their wad too soon.

The electorate is no longer fully controlled by the corporate media the way it traditionally always has been. Blogworld's influence is stronger now than ever before. We feed the beast. Our retorts to their spin and lies of ommision informs them and force them to try and counter our assertions and opinions.

People who are paying attention know this game for wot it is and those folks are increasingly calling shenanigans on their bullshit.

Look at he folks like Johnson our resident "niggerhater" (if Spud can summon a nom de blog from the DR's past). See how intensely he's revelling in this moment. His revelling is revealing.

November is a long way away. Obama is down but not out. In fact his number are starting to return to their previous levels. This was not the killing blow that Bill & Hillary and the corporate MSM thought it would be.

Richardson's assertion that he just doesn't like the people that the Clintons are surrounding themself these days with was very telling to Spud. Increased scrutiny of the Clintons beyond their campaign rhetoric is well in order now.

The racist haters of America are trying to electronically lynch Obama through the corporate media and Spud calls bullshit.

They won't win cos they can't win.

John "100 Years" McCain is a joke of a candidate that even the morons on the right can't stand. He will not win in the general election in November no matter wot the polls say right now. The Clintons have burned their last bridge. The end game approaches.

Good. Spud likey games.

Word games, mostly.

08ama '08. GObama.

Can we smell wot Barack is cookin'?

Yes, we can.

Si se Puente.

Be Well.

/In case you weren't paying attention that was Spud entering briefly on an Easter weekend at the good ole Drudge Retort, as ya do,
stage left.

I think Spud takes up too much space to post his worthless opinions. Perhaps it's a measure of how much he overrates himself.

The racist factions in America who are so getting off over the prospect of feeding their racism by decrying Wright, and by association Obama, racist have blown their wad too soon.

Potato head has no eyes. Black racism is passe today. Obama's political rivals are derailing Obama's aura of being a uniter. Divide-and-conquer is an age old device.

Thanks, Spud, fer your worthwhile opinion. Your insights are always welcome here. You must follow this stuff pretty closely. I can tell, because I do, too. Have a great Easter weekend in real world. Same to all the rest of you here in blogworld. Peace on earth and good will toward men. Even here.

I didn't understand what AP was so I looked up the Wikipedia entry for it.

AP is a news bureau set up and supported by thousands of U.S. newspapers and other media outlets. Most stories it runs are generated by AP staff, but it also can pick up stories from member papers.

AP almost always plays things down the middle and doesn't grind an ax.

I felt the same way as you(much ado about nothing) about B. Clinton's "love America" remarks, until I saw the whole thing: he ended with the words (as I recall them) "That's my argument for Hillary." In saying that, he, in fact, made it particular and implied that the same would not apply to Sen. Obama. As you have noted many times, there's not much they say that's not carefully calibrated. So whereas I agree with the core of his sentiments -- that it would be nice to have a campaign strictly about issues -- he actually made a differentiation between Hillary and Barack. I'm a strong Democrat, and a (former) admirer of both Bill and Hillary. I heard her talk a year or two ago in Seattle and was highly impressed. Now, I find myself wanting to switch channels when I see her; as I do when I see Bush.

Bill and Hillary are pigs. Always have been, always will be. HOW do the continue to draw attention to themselves???

MMike I agree it's sad and I am not criticizing you. Just disagreeing. I find the Clintons' selfishness grating, and this was not always the case, but now it's just too much. Obama is a better candidate in every way. That's not Hillary's fault, I understtand what must be a difficult situation for her, but she has to put the party and the country ahead of her ambitions. Bill is more ambiguous about the whole thing, no doubt, but that they appear to have some sort of personal pact about their lives should not interfere with the desires and needs of the country.

TR ...he ended with the words (as I recall them) "That's my argument for Hillary." In saying that,he in fact, made it particular and implied that the same would not apply to Sen. Obama.

"he, in fact, made it particular"...why should he mention BO HE'S NOT CAMPAIGNING FOR HIM...

of course he made it particular "That's my argument for Hillary.

NBC reports his musing about a general election fight between Senators John McCain and Hillary Rodham

" ... same would not apply to Sen. Obama ... "

BC is talking about this hypothetical match up between HC & JMC ... of course he did not mention BO. The comments had nothing to do with BO stated or implied. BC speculating about a HC & JMC election and stating a hope it will be about issues and not "other stuff" is not McCarthyism nor as the BO campaign stated directed to BO's lack of love/patriotism for country. By some convoluted thought process by not mentioning Obama BC/HC are attacking him.

Please help me out here ... I have searched for a complete copy of the speech or video, if you have a link please post. I'd like to see the whole speech to see if I can come to your conclusion, because these few BC quoted words do not convince me

"That's my argument for Hillary" shows that he does not think Obama loves his country in the way Hillary and McCain do.

Because it's NOT "My argument for Hillary" it is "My argument for McCain and Hillary"

"I think it would be a great thing if we had an election year where you had two people who loved this country and were devoted to the interest of this country," said Clinton, who was speaking to a group of veterans Friday in Charlotte, N.C. "And people could actually ask themselves who is right on these issues, instead of all this other stuff that always seems to intrude itself on our politics."

Something other than the obvious has been bugging me about this comment, and I finally figured out what it was. Bill Clinton's was unable to work on the "issues" because of all the "other stuff" that intruded itself during his presidency. And, yes, I am referring to, among other things, something no Dem is supposed to mention: Monica Lewinsky.