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Wednesday, March 19, 2008

The Democratic National Committee seized on John McCain's apparent gaffe while discussing Iran Tuesday, saying it raises questions whether the Arizona senator "can be trusted to offer a clear way forward." The misstep in question occurred during a news conference in Jordan earlier Tuesday, when the presumptive Republican presidential nominee repeatedly said Iran was supplying al Qaeda. Iran is predominately a Shiite country and is not aiding the Sunni dominated Al-Qaeda.

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Alzheimer's is a bitch.

"Alzheimer's is a bitch.

Posted by ness_gadol"


You're absolutely right Ness. AND Alzheimer's is a bitch.

the issue still remains

that conservatives and so called "reagan-dems" would rather have this useless clone be president

and seriously, if you going to clone someone, use a younger vessel... not one that needs a hip replacement.

I know these people would rather have McCain:

www.haaretz.com

which explains the Lieberman angle, you know the guy who jumps political parties like McCain jumps religious affiliations.

maybe

but in reality

Barack, Hillary, or McCain
call Israel a "Stalwart Ally"

Barack would fight for israel just as hard as McCain would.

so there is no justification in saying McCain is better for Israel...

McCain is just another in the line of NeoCon puppets that started with that Raygun. Another brain dead fuck to give tax breaks to the super rich and whatever they want to corporations. Oh, and jack shit to working men and women.

But the racist cowards and idiot Rethugs will vote for this POS anyway.

Actually, I thought there was an Al Qaeda - Iranian connection that has been made? I know there is a Hezbolla connection, and other terrorist groups too.

Let me post this:
www.washingtonpost.com
While it found no operational ties between al Qaeda and Iraq, the commission investigating the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks has concluded that Osama bin Laden's terrorist network had long-running contacts with Iraq's neighbor and historic foe, Iran.

Al Qaeda, the commission determined, may even have played a "yet unknown role" in aiding Hezbollah militants in the 1996 bombing of the Khobar Towers complex in Saudi Arabia, an attack the United States has long blamed solely on Hezbollah and its Iranian sponsors.

The notion that bin Laden may have had a hand in the Khobar bombing would mark a rare operational alliance between Sunni and Shiite Muslim groups that have historically been at odds.


So who's laughing now?

why would lieberman
the man against iran correct him then?

keep laughing
thats a 2004 link

old news thats been proven wrong

I thought there was an Al Qaeda - Iranian connection that has been made?

al queda hates shia. Deposing the taliban, like deposing Saddam, worked in Iran's favor.
However, both the Iraqi shia and sunni (and Iraqi kurds, for that matter) prefer hezbollah over Israel.

I'm sure Iran has some contact with AQ, and has probalbly helped them out when it suited their purpose. After all, the CIA had dealings with the Khmer Rouge and all kinds of bad guys at one time, it's how the proxy game is played. As I recall, Reagan sold Iran AA missiles, does that make St. Ron a terrorist?

But that clearly wasn't what McCain meant, evidenced by the fact that when corrected, he jumped on the chance to say he misspoke. I think this is more of a case of "them's all A-rabs". Which is fine if it's your Grandpa opining on the back porch; being President requires a bit more thorough understanding of the situation you're steering the country into.

McBushit Lieberman Ticket!
Boy I can hear McBush speaking. It would sound just like Son of a Bush....

uhh....uhh.... al Qaeda, and uhh... we will continue to fight those who want to kill us. uhh... uhh... those weapons of mass destruction are clearly a threat to the free world. uhh... uhh..those who appose this war want to uhh... uhh.. weaken America. And I'm not going to let that happen. uhh... uhh... Thank you.

From the final 9-11 Commission Report:

Iran does not have long-standing ties to al-Qaeda, and its Islamist ideology differs substantially from that of al-Qaeda, which is based on Sunni-Wahabi rather than Shi'ite Islamic principles. Moreover, al-Qaeda and its affiliates have generally been very hostile toward Shi'ism and have killed many Iranian, Afghan, and Pakistani Shi'ites in recent years. This hostility led Iran to become the main supporter of the Northern Alliance, which fought a long, bloody war against the Taliban and al-Qaeda that culminated in the Taliban's defeat in late 2001, after U.S. forces entered the war. And, indeed, Iran itself almost went to war with the Taliban in 1998. Although a few Iranian Hardliners may advocate supporting al-Qaeda because of its anti-American activities, most Hardliners strongly oppose it for these various reasons.

In addition to these Hardliners, many mainstream Iranian politicians support these terrorist groups in varying degrees, regarding them - with the notable exception of al-Qaeda and its affiliates - as freedom fighters pursuing just causes.

After 9-11 Iran offered to help us to chase down Al Quaeda. Hello....anyone home??????

As I recall, Reagan sold Iran AA missiles, does that make St. Ron a terrorist?

More of a traitor, really.

"Well......there you go again...hehe....."

When someone kills your brother or sister, does it realy matter what you call them? Al-Qaeda has almost become a generic term for the islamic terrorists.

McBushit Lieberman Ticket!

It makes my hair stand on end just thinking about it.

" Al-Qaeda has almost become a generic term for the islamic terrorists."

Generic? Does that mean like fictitious? Don't we ALL know by now that there is no such thing as Al Qaeda, any more than there are "terrorists" that are not a fignewton of the Rovian imagination? herm

Stupid fuck should were a drool bib, he's so far gone. Perfect republicant candidate.

You're absolutely right Ness. AND Alzheimer's is a bitch.

FF.

"McBushit Lieberman Ticket!"


do it guaranteed losing duo!.. talk about unifying the dems against a common hate

were-wear

McCain and Lieberman are al quaeda terrorists in everyones eyes besides a few million loyal Amerikanz..

"If you don't vote for me, the terrorists win"

McHolyCrapNotThisShitAgain.

"
McCain and Lieberman are al quaeda terrorists in everyones eyes besides a few million loyal Amerikanz.."

Posted by The_Favorite

Do you always post this kind of crap?

Want to do a poll on this question?

What an idiot!

And Obama says "I..I..I..I..I..will...I..I..I
..I..I will....." when questioned and without his teleprompter sounds just like every other politician blaming someone else. Should we call him an idiot too?


And Obama says "I..I..I..I..I..will...I..I..I
..I..I will....." when questioned and without his teleprompter sounds just like every other politician blaming someone else. Should we call him an idiot too?

Posted by KBM

Yea...Right, that's very ahhh well talking out of your ass must feel good to yea. Night and fucking day. Say Reagen and Carter. Night and fucking day....

"Don't we ALL know by now that there is no such thing as Al Qaeda, any more than there are "terrorists" that are not a fignewton of the Rovian imagination? herm"

No such thing?

You can bet that any Democratic candidate will have to articulate clearly what their position is regarding whether there's a threat or if they believe as the poster above does, that none of its real and there is no threat at all.

Americans aren't stupid and know it wasn't Karl Rove blowing up trains in Madrid or airports in Scotland or clubs in Bali or plotting to blow up Railroads in Germany. The ideas that no threat exists is seriously deranged and delusional.

Americans aren't stupid and know it wasn't Karl Rove blowing up trains in Madrid or airports in Scotland or clubs in Bali or plotting to blow up Railroads in Germany. The ideas that no threat exists is seriously deranged and delusional.

Posted by GZlives

I'm getten a roll of duct tape with my "rebate" check. What are you getting?

Hey, this actually became a story?

Spud was actually watching CNN yesterday Joe (The I stands for Israel) Loserman corrected Johnny McInsane when he sed that Iran trained AQ fighters and sent then over the border into Iraq. It was kinda funny and scary all at once. This 71 year old walking PTSD case with life long rage issues is now officially losing wot's left of his friggin' mind?

Yeesh!

Of course, there is a form of progress to be seen in McCain mixing up Sunni AQ who are mostly sponsored by America's bestest ally in the ME, the Wahabbist whackjobs of Saudi Arabia, with the Iranian Shia extremists who bring IEDS and other goodies into Iraq.

When this shitstorm began Dumbya didn't even know there was a difference between the Sunnis and the Shia. Ah, how far we've come, eh?/snark>

Looks like both Osma Bin Laden and Dumbya both got their birthday wishes in Iraq.

From OSB's perspective America is bleeding itself dry of lives and resources and money and the invasion/occupation makes him look like a freaking prophet. Even if America were to kill him tommorow his death would just serve as a form of glorious martyrdom sure to inspire legions of anti-American extremists for generations to come.

From Dumbya's perspective he got to take his Texecutioner reputation from the Lonestar State and one up it into the realm of being an international War Criminal and manage to get away with it. He ended up giving his corporate masters and his PNAC buddies exactly wot they wanted in Iraq. Him and Cheney no doubt have sackfuls of cash from illegal kickbacks and bulging secret bank accounts to tide them over no matter wot the US economy does after this.

So... crack open the bubbly and let's celebrate, eh?

Unless of course, you aren't one of the BushCo regimes inner circle or a close personal pal of Osama Bin Laden, cos then it's not quite so cheery a picture.

Try telling that to John McLame though and he won't hear you.

How can anyonelook at McTaint and think he has wot it takes to be CiC? He's a madman with an enfeebled mind and body.

Do Not Want.

Be Well.

America should be ready for four years of "forgetful" moments if they elect a fossil like McCain.

Lieberman should know who is supplying Al Queda, it is the Saudis.

"I'm getten a roll of duct tape with my "rebate" check. What are you getting?"

Ever see someone jump from a window 1355 feet up?
I did ... lots of them.

GZ= Ground Zero

Duct Tape won't help ...

McCain showed his inemptitude clearly. He is really not that intelligent. Everyone has to call him a Hero. Why is he a Hero? Anyone can be locked up by an enemy in war. Doesn't mean he is worth being President. Send this War monger home. Thanks for your services for what it's worth but your not going to be my President if I have anything to say about it. You should have studied a little on the fundamentals before you opened your mouth McCain.

Americans aren't stupid and know it wasn't Karl Rove blowing up trains in Madrid or airports in Scotland or clubs in Bali or plotting to blow up Railroads in Germany. The ideas that no threat exists is seriously deranged and delusional.

Posted by GZlives at 2008-03-19 04:59


From a handful of crazed Muslims? GZ is doing quite a bit of blowing up on his own.

"The ideas that no threat exists is seriously deranged and delusional."

i completely understand there is a threat

it angers me, the people.

but i don't believe the way we are dealing with it is intelligent

"The ideas that no threat exists is seriously deranged and delusional."

Maybe I need to clarify. Maybe. I didn't say no threat exists. I said no Al Qaeda exists. This has been made pretty clear all over Europe in recent days. Google BBC. There have been threats in America, mostly from Republicans, but a few Islamics (islamofascists, arabs, muslims, whatever) do react badly to their lands being occupied by alien armies. There has been, to Bush's dismay, no "terrorism" in America since 9/11. I exclude Homeland Security and the Patriot Act. herm

There has been, to Bush's dismay, no "terrorism" in America since 9/11. I exclude Homeland Security and the Patriot Act. herm
Posted by herm


There you go again: angry, nasty, cynical talk. The only explanation is that you must be chewing things from the litter box to have such a bitter mouth.

"There you go again: angry, nasty, cynical talk."

One out of three, two or three or all three?

Well, maybe, but is there a part of this that you DON'T believe? herm

Well, maybe, but is there a part of this that you DON'T believe? herm
Posted by herm


I do not believe GWB is dismayed by a lack of terrorism in our country. To say so is to be either cynical or simply going for the political blog equivalent of a cheap laugh. And I would also ask: have you been affected by the Patriot Act or the DHS in some way?

I know that Al Qaeda and Iranians differ theologically, and that Iran supports Hezbollah, but I would not doubt at all if they armed and trained Al Qaeda just to stick it to the US.

As a matter of fact, terrorists groups that have nothing to do with each other will get together and have training sessions and talk shop to be better terrorists.

"And I would also ask: have you been affected by the Patriot Act or the DHS in some way?"

If even one American stops going to the public library because of what the government might do, we're all affected.

"When even one American - who has done nothing wrong -- is forced by fear to shut his mind and close his mouth, then all of Americans are in peril."

-- Harry S. Truman
Why is it that so-called "Americans" adopt the "if you're not doing anything wrong what are you worried about" attitude?

It is an attitude more befitting a country ruled by tyrants and fear.

Not a country where just cause is supposed to be the driving force in government intrusion in private lives.

Hans

Those that have 15-17 yo sons should think very hard about this candidate.

We have some soldiers going on their 5th Iraqi tour.

The army is broken and they are approaching the tipping point; they will have to have a draft or withdraw.

Whether we stay in Afganistan or Iraq for 100 years.


"And I would also ask: have you been affected by the Patriot Act or the DHS in some way?"

If even one American stops going to the public library because of what the government might do, we're all affected.

"When even one American - who has done nothing wrong -- is forced by fear to shut his mind and close his mouth, then all of Americans are in peril."

-- Harry S. Truman
Why is it that so-called "Americans" adopt the "if you're not doing anything wrong what are you worried about" attitude?

It is an attitude more befitting a country ruled by tyrants and fear.

Not a country where just cause is supposed to be the driving force in government intrusion in private lives.

Hans

Posted by Hans


Hans you make a good point but I don't think these things have scared Herm in any way. He can be closed-minded but I don't think we can blame the government for that. And he certainly hasn't shut his mouth.

I'd like to know who is fearing these things.

"I'd like to know who is fearing these things."

MrFair, that's the point. You (and I) will never know that your neighbor or my neighbor or your co-worker or my co-worker or your brother or my sister stops going to the public library, much less the reason why.

Over time library attendance will be less and less. And maybe sometime in the future our neighbor or co-worker or family member will say something like "I just didn't like the idea that my government could come in and look at what I checked out, so it just wasn't worth it anymore."

We used to be a country where just cause was the bar over which our government had to pass before looking into our private lives.

That bar has been lowered. And no one seems to care.

Hans

Good post Hans! Keep it up!


Do you always post this kind of crap?

Want to do a poll on this question?

What an idiot!

Posted by Tampa at 2008-03-19 04:30 PM

Have you ever been out of this country Tampon?

Lieberman and McCain are terrorists, just cause they wear suits and have white skin dont they are statesmen.

What do you call powerful men who advocate nuking an innocent sovereign nation?

I call em terrorists; so does much of the world.

The Nazis thought they were the good guys too.

FAV - then why didn't we just invade our neighbors, as the Nazis did? No, the Mexicans are invading us and nobody from here wants to go to Canada. So there.

"...terrorists groups that have nothing to do with each other will get together and have training sessions and talk shop to be better terrorists..."

What a neat script for a movie! Set in Las Vegas, with side trips to casinos and Pahrump brothels. Then boy Sunnie terrorist mets girl Shitty terrorist. Maybe we could get Brad and Angelina. But who'd believe it? Besides Mr. F, anyway.

And right on, Hans. herm

"Oops: McCain Says Iran Supplies Al Qaeda"

Bush never knew there were Sunni and Shiite

McCain, 71, is at the age where he's starting to forget things.

"I call em terrorists; so does much of the world."

Posted by The_Favorite

Websters: "violent or destructive acts (as bombing) committed by groups in order to intimidate a population or government into granting their demands "

Please cite specific (dates,places) acts that McCain has committed to classify him as a terrorist.

If you can't then you are by definition an idiot!

And don't bother to mention Iraq because then if you do you have to classify FDR, Truman, Eisenhower, Kenedy, Johnson as terrorists.

What a bozo!

Good post, Hans.

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