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Arthur C. Clarke, a visionary science fiction writer who won worldwide acclaim with more than 100 books on space, science and the future, died Wednesday in his adopted home of Sri Lanka, an aide said. He was 90. Clarke wrote 2001: A Space Odyssey, cowrote the film adaptation with Stanley Kubrick, and authored the subsequent books 2010, 2061 and 3001: The Final Odyssey.

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I've read most of his work.
Excellent Writer....Excellent Mind.

He WILL be missed by his fans.


Rest in Peace Mr. Clark.

Tragic....one of the very best. RIP and enjoy the journey. A huge loss of a great mind.

THe last of the great ones. I remember the day Asimov and Heinlein died, too.

He was the best of the best. I hope there is an afterlife.

Many of the "old classic style" of SciFi writing are sadly nearing the end of their run. Clark was as good as they come and go.

RIP

Grew up with ACC. Loved his TV show debunking BBOB-type "mysteries"

I was in elementary school when 2001 came out. My friend and I went thinking we were going to see a giant spiders from Mars attacking earth type movie. When my dad picked us up outside the theatre he could tell we had seen something very profound. Thing is, my friend and I had no idea what we had just seen.

The Granada Theatre on Greenville Ave in Dallas used to show it every year for a few days. Until they stopped doing that several years ago, that same friend and I would go see it once a year.

I went to the book store the day after I saw the movie and bought a first edition hard cover copy of the book. I read it straight through -- including by flashlight after I went to bed.

The copy of that book is literally inches away from me right now on the bookshelf. I may do something tonight I rarely do: As a tribute to Sir Clarke I think I'll re-read that book

2001 A Space Odyssey -- you mentioned before that was your favorite movie, right Goatman? It would be a nice gestrue to re-read his book. One of the ultimate honors you can give to an author.

you mentioned before that was your favorite movie, right Goatman?

Yes, it is the best movie ever made IMO. Rated G at that!

whoops

gestrue - gesture

Yes, it is the best movie ever made

Even better than GWTW? (grin)

Okay, I'll rent 2001 next week to see what the "greatest movie ever made IMO" is all about.

My favorite author of all time. I knew this day would come soon but I still hate seeing hit. RIP Sir Arthur.

"The greatest tragedy in mankind's entire history may be the hijacking of morality by religion."

---Arthur C. Clarke

Arthur C Clarke is dead?

** Deep Sigh **

Spud grew reading that mans work.

The last of the great hard science fiction writers.

Him, Asimov and Bradbury were me heroes at one time.

Still are, in fact.

2001 and 2010 are must reads.

"Childhoods End" is his greatest work.

Spud remembers seeing 2001 when it was re-relased in the theatres in the early 70s.

Had to go by myself cos nobody else was as big a science fiction nut as me in the family.

Don't know wot the rest of the fam damily watched that night but wotever it was it wasn't anywhere near as good as the mind blowing trip that 2001 was.

A singular sensation. A moment in time that was and shall be forever unforgettable to me.

He posited the idea of geo-stationary sattelites and orbits in 1945.

The geostationary orbit is now sometimes known as the Clarke Orbit or the Clarke Belt in his honour.

Good eye Rcade. Definitely worthy of a thread.

RIP Arthur C. Clarke.

Be Well.

/HAL = IBM -1

He was the best of the best. I hope there is an afterlife.

He was an atheist.

If there is afterlife, he certainly didn't believe it. He is either very surprised at the present moment or not. All that remains are our irrational, meaningless feelings (prompted by some brain chemistry) for some words that he spoke.

Cheers

Daisy, Daisy, give me your answer do
I'm half crazy all for the love of you
It won't be a stylish marriage
I can't afford a carriage
But you'll look sweet upon the seat
Of a bicycle built for two

The greatest tragedy in mankind's entire history may be the hijacking of morality by religion."

---Arthur C. Clarke


Nice bit of quotage there Danforth!

Spud's heard it before that's why it's nice to hear it again.

Wiki is working on adding this new info of Clarkes death to his page as we speak.

Here's sommat Spud found suprising especially in light of the above quote...

Clarke corresponded with C. S. Lewis in the 1940s and 1950s, and they once met in an Oxford pub, the Eastgate, to discuss science fiction and space travel. Clarke, after Lewis's death, voiced great praise for him, saying the Ransom Trilogy was one of the few works of science fiction that could be considered literature

Spud also admnires C S Lewis and considers him one of Christianity's best explainers and apologists.

Here's a little good news.

"Rendevous with Rama" is currently in pre-production. David Fincher is slated to direct and Morgan Freeman has agreed to star in it.

Spud looks forward to it.

Be Well.

The Granada Theatre on Greenville Ave in Dallas used to show it every year for a few days.

Wish I had known about that when I was living in Dallas pre-1994. I don't think I ever got out to the Granada.

Thanks Grendel, aka Buzz Killington.

Why are all the posts an hour off?

Greatest. Movie Opening. EVAR!

www.youtube.com

Already the luff and respect fer the man flows forth on the u-tubes.

Be Well.

I'm amazed at all the tears for this kid diddler.

HAL = IBM -1

This is true, but it is serendipity. Neither Clarke nor Kubrick intended that. That was intentionally debunked by Sir Clarke in the movie 2010


Although it is often conjectured that the name HAL was based on a one letter shift from the name IBM, this has been denied by both Clarke and 2001 director Stanley Kubrick. In 2010: Odyssey Two, Clarke speaks through the character of Dr. Chandra, who characterized this idea as: "[u]tter nonsense! [...] I thought that by now every intelligent person knew that H-A-L is derived from Heuristic ALgorithmic".[

I'm amazed at all the tears for this kid diddler.

POSTED BY MONTECORE AT 2008-03-18 06:34 PM | REPLY

If he isn't, it will be the funniest retort of the day.

"Rendevous with Rama" is currently in pre-production

If done well, it will be a blockbuster. That, and Fountains of Paradise, are my ACC favorites, after 2001, of course.

He is. I should have assumed as much when I saw that creepy fucking canadians wasted double spaced ball buffing of this toddler toucher.

Nice call Monte. This guy should have died sooner.

Excellent Mind.

POSTED BY FRANKF55 AT 2008-03-18 05:21 PM | REPLY |

Very telling.

DUDE A RAMA MOVIE!!!!!! FUCKING A>

The Rama series was awsome, as was all of his work.

Starship Troopers was sweet Heinlien books as well.

CS Lewis' The Screwtape Letters is a MUST READ for everone.

Clark aslo invented the telecom satalite.

Clark aslo invented the telecom satalite.

Actually, I think he just postulated the importance of the geosynchronous orbital band 24kmiles above the equator for communications. But was good enough!

I'm amazed at all the tears for this kid diddler.

~Montecore.

Didn't know you were such a fan of the British Tabloids, Monte.

In early 1998, Clarke was to be made a knight, with Prince Charles visiting Sri Lanka in order to make the investiture. Just before the ceremony, a British tabloid, The Sunday Mirror, claimed in a sensationalist story that Clarke was a paedophile, giving supposed quotations from Clarke about the harmlessness of his predilection for boys. Clarke released a statement saying that "the accusations are such nonsense that I have found it difficult to treat them with the contempt that they deserve." He also said, "I categorically state that The Sunday Mirror's article is grossly defamatory and contains statements which in themselves and by innuendo are quite false, grossly inaccurate and extremely harmful." He later asked that the investiture of his knighthood be delayed "in order to avoid embarrassment to His Royal Highness the Prince of Wales during his visit to Sri Lanka." In answer to the newspaper's allegations, Clarke was investigated by Sri Lankan authorities, who eventually dismissed the accusations. The Sunday Mirror later printed a retraction and Clarke was made a Knight Bachelor on May 26, 2000, in a ceremony in Colombo.[14][15][16][17] A formal investigation undertaken by Sri Lankan police cleared Clarke in April 1998.


Before you say it, yes, Spud realises that an accusation does not a pedophile make and that an aquital of charges does not an innocent man make.

That sed Clarke was never charged with anything of the sort in his life and he himself personally insisted on an investigation to clear his name of these scandalous rumours.

Spud believes that Clarke wasn't a pedophile but that Micheal Jackkson is and was.

Seriously, Monte, you got anything stronger to back that up rather than a discredited British Tabloid?

Do you believe every tabloid you read?

You really shouldn't you know.

Be Well.

Best Heinlein, of course, Stranger in a Strange Land - I "grok" you. Job:A Comedy of Justice was second on my list. Puppet Masters, all the cool pulp-type stuff.

I like the Fredrick Pohl Roger Zealzny Philip K. Dick Harlan Ellison "era".

I've never read the books because i've always been more of a cyber punk sci-fi fan.

The films, though, are some of the most important on my list of "must see". When someone tells me they've never seen it, I loan it out. Sometimes they understand, sometimes they don't Regardless, I'm doing my part.

Where Arthur C Clark and Asimov and Philip K Dick leave off, people like William Gibson, Richard Morgan and Orson Scott Card fill in.

The greatest tragedy in mankind's entire history may be the hijacking of morality by religion."

---Arthur C. Clarke


One of the greatest assumptions of modern western culture is that because philosophy, morality, religion and politics are separate entities in our world, that they always have been in every other world.

There can be no hijacking of morality by religion since there was no separation of the two in the early cultures that laid the foundations for the two.

It would be like saying the greatest tragedy of book publishing is when the practice was hijacked by business.

That being said, I will indulge my brain chemistry and express my feelings of loss that his death brings to the literary and scientific worlds.

Cheers

Best Heinlein, of course, Stranger in a Strange Land

~Jomama

No argument here.

Starship Troopers was sweet Heinlein books as well.

~Gottruth

Luff that book too!

Fucking LOATHES the POS movie that was made into. It fucking enrages Deth!!!

That wasn't Starship Troopers. That was "Bugs in Space"

They didn't even do the "drop"

Fucking PUSSIES.

Somebody oughta redo that one and show folks how pathetic the first Doogie Howser version is/was.

"Door into Summer" is still Spud's number one sentimental favorite of Robert H's work.

Cat Who Walked Through Walls also rawked.

Clarkes "Fountains of Paradise"

Good stuff, right there.

Nice to see the sci-fi luff pouring out onto this thread.

Here's a nice tidbit...

Clarke's three laws:

"When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible, he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong."
"The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible."
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."


Be Well.

Best Heinlein, of course, Stranger in a Strange Land

jo -- Have you read the unabridged version that came out a few years ago? It is about 1/3 longer than the original. I found a hard back version on the B&N bargain table for $5!

Where Arthur C Clark and Asimov and Philip K Dick leave off, people like William Gibson, Richard Morgan and Orson Scott Card fill in.

~Axiom

Spud luffs all them folk especially Horselover Fat!

(aka Phillip K Dick)

When the fuck is Enders Game (The Movie) gonna come out?!

Spud's been waiting a while, ya know!

B Well.

Goaty- I didn't know that, sweet!

When the fuck is Enders Game (The Movie) gonna come out?!

I'm sorta hoping it doesn't. Why spoil a classic? (Dune?)

I just looked and saw that I still also have 2061 and 3001. I couldn't get enough of it.

@ tater.

www.imdb.com

That's pretty much the only evidence that can be found that the film adaptation is "in the works". Most everything else is conjecture.

Sadly, I don't think a film would be a good idea. They'd turn it into an action movie and that's not what it is.

The other issue is the use of children.

Not to divert the thread, but the "bugger wars" can parallel the current Iraq War.

Two cultures divided by distance at war with one-another because they do not understand each other. Eventually one wipes the other out only to end up finding out it was all a big mistake.


I'm sorta hoping it doesn't. Why spoil a classic? (Dune?)


The sci-fi channel version is what made me read Dune.

Speaking of sci-fi, has anyone seen the Tin Man mini-series?

I'm sorta hoping it doesn't. Why spoil a classic? (Dune?)

~Goatman.

Spud totally gets wot yer talking about when you watch the POS Dino DeLarentis version with Kyle M and Sting and such. That guy took waaaaaay too many liberties with the sacred text of Frank Herbert. That sed, it was the only filmed version of the book available to be seen while Herbert was still alive and he was glad they made it.

All that sed, have you ever seen the mini-series?

www.imdb.com

Spud owns it and Children of Dune on DVD and has rewatched them both a few times.

They stopped filming about the part where God, Emporer of Dune begins. Being as how that's, by far, Spud's favoritest of all the Dune book I live in hope that one day they will continue the series and do justice to that great work as well.

Be Well.

No, I never saw the mini-series. Only the Sting version. I'm going to have to check that one out. Thanks for the tip!

Sadly, I don't think a film would be a good idea. They'd turn it into an action movie and that's not what it is.

~Axiom.

Well one the one hand Wolfgang Peterson directed Das Boot and that was a good 'un.

On the other hand his first English production was Enemy Mine.

That sucked big time.

Troy showed promise but wasn't Spud's cup of Tea.

The fact that his last film before Ender's Game was Poseiden the re-make of the original P's Adventure does not bode well.

I'm going to have to check that one out. Thanks for the tip!

~Goatman.

Thanx fer the tip on the unabridged "Stranger..."

Be Well.

Clarke? Gone? NO!!!!!!!!

And yes, the Rama series was brilliant as all hell. I'll have to read them again now.

"Why spoil a classic? (Dune?)"

Sting's performance was CLASSIC!

hehehe.

"And yes, the Rama series was brilliant as all hell. I'll have to read them again now."

Agreed.

Hans

I too have enjoyed alot of his work including books and documentaries.

RIP Sir Arthur.

Off-topic:

The Dune miniseries (aired by Sci-Fi) was at least a little closer to the book. Actually I own Dune and Children of Dune (the DVD's; CofD is actually books two and three of the series). Not terrible... but they did stray a bit in the CofD group.

Spud: I just pulled that copy of "Stranger..." off the shelf to check facts. Good thing! I said a few years. Try 1991 publication. Time goes by fast when you're having a good time. Also, isbn 0-399-13586-3 to help you find it

Sting's performance was CLASSIC!

hehehe.


Actually, Sting wasn't too bad but the whole "weirding module" thing was a bit too much to bear.

"Maud'ib, your name is a killing word"

WTF?!

Dino FAILS!

Be Well.

/Alia was kinda cool. Neat character.

He is either very surprised at the present moment or not. All that remains are our irrational, meaningless feelings (prompted by some brain chemistry) for some words that he spoke.

Wow! Seems this same drawing conclusion can be made for another individual of a strangely black colored book.

Goat and Tater --

If you haven't already read it, you might find this of interest -- the comparisons of the two versions of "Stranger..."

"Stranger vs. Stranger"

TATER -- Here is Amazon.com's link for the version Goat was telling you about.

"Stranger in a Strange Land -- Uncut version

What about "Farnhams Freehold" a place were you can trade for Bridge lessons.

As far as Stranger.... Just who is the best character in the book, Michael Valentine Smith or Jubal Hershaw, my vote "Front".

Spud

How can Starship troopers happen with out, "The Skinnys, Bouncing with your Y-rack shooting automatically at each bounce.

The Cat who walked through walls. Why? He didn't know that he couldn't.

Job!!! When God is on your ass, what can you do?

He is either very surprised at the present moment or not. All that remains are our irrational, meaningless feelings (prompted by some brain chemistry) for some words that he spoke.

Wow! Seems this same drawing conclusion can be made for another individual of a strangely black colored book.


Yes, it can.

Provided that the "he" pronouns are changed to "she," my statement could refer to my little black phone book from my college days.

Cheers

How about Octavia C. Butler for a social SciFi.

The Parable of the Sower-its good stuff.

TATER -- Here is Amazon.com's link for the version Goat was telling you about.

Ta fe the link, CChris.

How about Octavia C. Butler for a social SciFi.

The Parable of the Sower-its good stuff


Spud don't know that one.

Spud's a huge fan of early Ursula K LeGuin.

"The Dispossessed" RAWKS!

"The Lathe of Heaven" is uber trippy.

Liked the filmed version put together by KCTS9 PBS from Seattle better than the later remake.

"Left Hand of Darkness." was also cool.

Fer the kidZ? The EarthSea trilogy.

Short stories?

"The Wind's Twelve Quarters" and "Orsinian Tales"

Be Well.

Spud

How can Starship troopers happen with out, "The Skinnys, Bouncing with your Y-rack shooting automatically at each bounce.


~Keef

You simply can't. The drop and bounce was the coolest part of the book beyond it's examination of what a society owed it citizenry and wot the citizenry owed it's society and wot war and sacrifice and a soldiers duty really meant. Spud's biggest problems aside from that? The movie had exactly two types of scenes with the "bugs" as Paul Verhoeven described them. First where a dozen guy are shooting at one of them and the "bugs" are plowing through them like they are unstoppable. The second was where a hero with one gun is plowing through a bunch of them like butter. Other problem was Verhoeven trying to infect a serious story with RoboCop typa humour. Simply didn't work for anyone over the mental age of eleven.

The Cat who walked through walls. Why? He didn't know that he couldn't.

Yes, that reminded Spud of good old Douglas Adams HGTTG.

The secret to flying is to throw yerself at the ground... and miss.

Job!!! When God is on your ass, what can you do?

Totally under-rated book.

Ever read "God Knows" by Joeseph Heller? An irreverant take on the life of the biblical King David as being a typical Jewish family guy with problems. Funny and interesting take.

Be Well.

bummer- ive read the Odyssey stuff and love it--

but my fave A. C. Clarke memory has to be watching 2001 on the hospital tv while waiting for my first to be born. the bad speakers made the soundtrack extra yummy. I hope it influence the little explosive in some way...

as for the Dune movie: absolute shit. except Feyd Rautha, of course. some characters were just MADE to be played by Sting.

I won't say goodbye to Arthur C. Clarke. I only knew him through his books so, to me, he'll never truly die. I think this would vex Mr. Clarke. To be taken out of non-existence and thrust, most beyond his will, into eternal life.

some characters were just MADE to be played by Sting.

BEEEELLLBBOOOOOOOY!

Be Well.

/Off to watch TDS/TCR
//As ya do
stage left.

BEEEELLLBBOOOOOOOY!

Look, I don't wanna be the same as everybody else. That's why I'm a Mod, see? I mean, you gotta be somebody, ain't ya, or you might as well jump in the sea and drown.

I'll bet every single one of you losers belonged to (or still belong) a Dungeon and Dragons club.

Half of you probably still have your Fruit of the Loom wasteband over your head.

I'll bet every single one of you losers belonged to (or still belong) a Dungeon and Dragons club.

Half of you probably still have your Fruit of the Loom wasteband over your head.


Can't answer for anyone else here, but as for me, no.



I can mess you up with the blade of your choice, though.

I can mess you up with the blade of your choice, though.

Posted by RevDarko at 2008-03-19 09:20 AM | Reply


Sure thing Rambo.
I sure was impressed with cutlery. Even fascinated by it. Then I got my first pocket knife at around 9 years of age and quickly grew bored with it.

Sure thing Rambo.
I sure was impressed with cutlery. Even fascinated by it. Then I got my first pocket knife at around 9 years of age and quickly grew bored with it.


Actually, 101, it was my way of saying that I am trained to fight with swords. I've no use for sitting around pretending.

Actually, 101, it was my way of saying that I am trained to fight with swords. I've no use for sitting around pretending.

Posted by RevDarko at 2008-03-19 09:25 AM

Good for you, but my post was my way of saying "Any adult that still plays with knives is a tool".
Furthermore, it also said "I laugh at any pud that just 2 weeks ago issued an internet threat and then goes on to offer to mess somebody up with the blade of their choice."
Lastly, although not said, it was also my way of saying "Don't bring a knife to a gun fight".

I hope his "space elevator" concept can come to fruition sometime in the next few decades. It's a brilliant idea and would make space travel cheap as hell. Nanotube technology is reaching a point where it's very near possible, so maybe the idea will at least be talked about soon.

Clarke was one hell of a writer. It was nice to have an expert in science write some realistic sci-fi, even if we are well behind his ideas of a sophisticated space tourism industry and manned space travel to Jupiter (or Saturn in the first book).

Good for you, but my post was my way of saying "Any adult that still plays with knives is a tool".
Furthermore, it also said "I laugh at any pud that just 2 weeks ago issued an internet threat and then goes on to offer to mess somebody up with the blade of their choice."
Lastly, although not said, it was also my way of saying "Don't bring a knife to a gun fight".


Fair enough, Nancy.

The tech shown in "2001: A Space Odyssey" was achievable by the standards of the mid to late 20th century. Space station, moon base, SSTO passenger liner, even a Discovery-like spacecraft, all achievable. The human species opted as usual to piss away all it creativeness, inventiveness, resources, and ability on the construction and deployment of ever more lethal and efficient weapons systems to murder his/her brothers and sisters across the planet.

We're such a bunch of idiots.

I hope Sir Arthur is upstairs demanding answers of the Creator as to what went wrong.


Good for you, but my post was my way of saying "Any adult that still plays with knives is a tool".
Furthermore, it also said "I laugh at any pud that just 2 weeks ago issued an internet threat and then goes on to offer to mess somebody up with the blade of their choice."


I played some DnD. Played some Magic: The Gathering. To this day, I play Anarchy Online and other MMORPG's.


Lastly, although not said, it was also my way of saying "Don't bring a knife to a gun fight".


Haha. No problem, Shirley. But, shouldn't you be more worried about making sure you have dinner made for your husband when he comes home?

Axiom,
Are you retarded? It's a legitimate question.

Best Heinlein, of course, Stranger in a Strange Land

Did you forget about Time Enough for Love? One of the best all time Sci Fi stories ever!

Or Green Hills Of Earth...

AS for Asimov...

The Earth is diminished by his departure but was enriched by his existence...

and Chairpoodle... me thinks if ya wanna see an R-tard look in the mirror...anyone who could dismiss the awesome works of Asimov based on the accusations of a tabloid has to be retarded.

go back to playing with your blocks....


Axiom,
Are you retarded? It's a legitimate question.


It's a possibility, which doesn't speak well for you. Compared to you, I am the equivalent of Einstein.

"He was the best of the best. I hope there is an afterlife."

He was an atheist.
If there is afterlife, he certainly didn't believe it. He is either very surprised at the present moment or not. All that remains are our irrational, meaningless feelings (prompted by some brain chemistry) for some words that he spoke.
Cheers
Posted by Grendel at 2008-03-18 06:27 PM


Generally, people will remember the words that he wrote, although, I greatly appreciated listening to him as well.

As for "irrational, meaningless feelings", I take it that the human condition would be explained by you as futility, thus 2001 is a miserable excuse to explain it. :P

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