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Tuesday, March 18, 2008

Democratic Sen. Barack Obama on Tuesday tried to stem damage from divisive comments delivered by his pastor, while bluntly addressing anger between blacks and whites in the most racially pointed speech yet of his presidential campaign.

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Still reelin', and on the defensive, Barry tries to convince us he only hates America on Sundays when he goes to church.

"This speech on where he stands with his religion should really give him a boost."

--Mitt Romney

Philadelphia?

The City of Brutha-ly luff?

Well, that makes sense.

Anyone who thinks Baraack Obama is a racist is prolly a racist themselves (See Johnson) or an idiot (See Johnson again)

Be Well.

So he's a NASCAR fan now?

Five weeks before the Pennsylvania primary, Mr. Obama had hoped to be refining his strategy to win over the support of white male voters -- a demographic that began to slip away in his Ohio defeat. Instead he is facing his second straight week of negative news coverage.

Time and again, Obama has shown that he's terrible when put on the defensive. This speech will only bring more questions to more people about what he says and what he actually practices. The Republicans will have him continually jumping through hoops if the Dems are stupid enough to nominate him.

Time and again Obama has shown he is great when people continue to try and put him on a defensive stance.

Clearly as time goes on and those on the hillary side see they have already lost and there is no hope the defensive will not be coming from their own party.

It is striking that nothing about Baghdad bob mccain is hitting this sight withi more frequence.

We see how poorly the economy is doing, hell, the United States have now lost the number one position as the largest economy do to bush economic ideas and mccain wants to follow in those same tracks. I would think these repubneoliberals would be trying to effect change within their own party.

Time and again Obama has shown he is great when people continue to try and put him on a defensive stance.

Yup, that's why he lost Ohio, TX and RI right after that stupid "3:oo am" ad by Hillary. His campaign's response to that was awful, as befitting a bunch with no experience or savvy. This speech today is nothing more than a desperate response to the media drubbing he has taken on his spiritual adviser's hateful remarks, which Obama never denounced or questioned for almost 20 years. I hope they televise it, and allow questions at the end.

Yup, that's why he lost Ohio, TX and RI

hahaha mccain ran against a ken doll mormon and an evangelical evolution disbeliever, sounds like he had a tough competition hahahaha


vote mccain
vote chinese takeover of america

Cook,

Please tell us how Obama lost Texas. Ohio was only lost because of the lying side of canada saying it was Obama instead of hillary.

Obama has won outright, it is humorous watching you WOBs continue to throw shit on the wall thinking that it will change things.

With the economy the way it is and baghdad bob mccain preaching about the bush economic plans are great and stable while our country falls is such a bright place for you people to be sitting. I just wonder if those running for the house and senate take the same stance in the next few weeks.

America is going to continue to fall but at a faster pace with each month that nothing is done to make corrections. Hope you're up to the situation while pushing crap like conspiracy thoughts of knowing/knew of obamas preacher.

You people just have to make me laugh.

to cons really hate america that much that they want it to fall into mediocrity

we used to be the greatest nation and potentially still the greatest... if mccain is voted in we'll be chinese bitches

nice

hey look at all these sand dwellers in afghanistan, they are the greatest threat to the world... don't mind the superpower we owe hundreds of billions too behind the red curtain that kill peaceful protesters and suppress any freedom of speech and press.

oh and don't protest the olympics just because china shoots people in tibet.

do cons have an alternative agenda??
hmm?

hey look at all these sand dwellers in afghanistan, they are the greatest threat to the world... don't mind the superpower we owe hundreds of billions too behind the red curtain that kill peaceful protesters and suppress any freedom of speech and press.

oh and don't protest the olympics just because china shoots people in tibet.


Yeah, the U.S. does it behind close doors and secrets them off to prisons instead of being up front.

I can see real differences, can't you.

I think if he becomes president this will be a historical speech. That being said I think he has to come clean, he can't say he didn't know what this racist preacher was saying, and he can't finesse it either. I'm looking forward to hearing it and I'm sure it will get torn apart and picked though by the pundits.

Protester, LOL!!

Klif, The U.S. just bring those they don't like up as thiefs and try and exclude evidence from people who hold up to ideals of our laws.

Qwest bring any memory up for you and the government being mad because of the refusal to give customer information without a court.

It is all the same just done differently.

may he choose his words carefully and stay completely away from the "po' black whitey got the brother down" attitude - and he needs to ditch the militant way he begins his "talks". it's offensive.

This speech could make him look very Presidential if he delivers it right with proper ideas and sound thoughts for the nation.

Let's see how inclusive he is rather than exclusive.

Gee, the Democrats have a full-blown international-socialist America-hating white-bashing racist as the leading contender for the office of president.

Can anybody say, "Over-reach much?" LOL!

Sorry farmer,

No longer leading, leader is the correct term.

No matter how you want to try and make this a character bash relevance it just isn't truthful or factual on any prudent terms.

We are looking forward to that speech.

Sincerely
Pearl Harbor Truthers for Obama

Yeah, us too, us too!

Sincerely
AIDS Conspiracy Truthers for Obama

My Pastor was right and this is the first time I'm proud to be an American. -Barrack Obama, former Presidential Nominee

money,

No matter how you want to try and hide Obama's character from public view, the truth will leak out before the election. When you lie down with dogs, you wake up with fleas.

I love you, you love me, we're a happy family!

I don't give a shit how many speeches the guy gives.

He's toast.

Maybe he should invite Rezko to his speech via video conference. They can jointly give a speech on ehtics in real estate to start.

Farmer,

How would you know? You have so many fleas you think it is a symbiotic relationship.

I don't try to hide Obamas character, I just don't propagate conspiracy theories of great assumptions to get to em.

This is starting to be a Dan Rather gate but from an obtuse direction.

Not interested in reality of the situation, just the ability to bash now and find out later all the false assumptions.

As long as the focus is on Obama, it will not be on baghdad bob mccain.

kris p bacon

you fan of chinese food.. cause thats what mccains bringing you

MONEYWAR

Trying to reason with unreasonable Rush sheep is like trying to get NASCAR to go in circles the other way around the track.

Who are they going to vote for? Rush has already declared McCain the AntiChrist.

Klifferd.

They're all bringing us chinese food.

They've also brought us German food, Japanese food, Italian food, Tai, Vietnamese, Russian etc. etc.

Are you prejudice against chinese people Klifferd?

You'd rather have lil 10 year old suzy chang performing yum yum on some adult tourist than making sneakers for people to wear. Is that it, Klifferd?

"Not interested in reality of the situation, just the ability to bash now and find out later all the false assumptions."

That is a very valid point. As I tried to point out before, but was of course drowned out in cacophony of hate, there is something very incongruous about how Wright is viewed within the ministerial and theological community, vs. what we've seen in these few seconds of video.

He is a respected and sought after teacher and lecturer at seminaries, theology schools, and pastoral gatherings all over the country. He is considered a leading expert on Protestant theology.

Surely at least some of these folks would have noticed along the way if there was something truly out of whack with his ideology.

Look Klifferd.

Toyota
Datsun/Nissan
Kia
BMW
Mercedes
Volkswagon
Suzuki
Honda
Kawasaki
Mitsubishi
Volvo
Subarau
Isetta (sp) it's what al gore should be foreced to drive


The list is extemely long Klifferd, maybe you get the point.

LOL! Yes, the GOP conspired to force Obama to attend weekly inverse-KKK meetings at the Trinity Church for 20 years.

"No matter how you want to try and hide Obama's character from public view, the truth will leak out before the election. When you lie down with dogs, you wake up with fleas."

It's interesting to note that Oprah left that church long ago. THIS is a great article by Shelby Steele. It's right on the mark!

online.wsj.com

"Surely at least some of these folks would have noticed along the way if there was something truly out of whack with his ideology."

Well, considering that 92% of the American people DO think his ideology is out of whack, I'd say that SOME folks do think so. This may come as a shock to you, SanAntone, but you are a very, very, very small minority...maybe not on the DR, but in the U.S., a very, very, very small segment of the population.

www.rasmussenreports.com

Sheeeeeeeet! Wuz up Philly!?! And...one one, two two, dats right y'all...untz untz...three, fo'...

Der was a nigga named Wright,
He had some words and they had some bite.
It gots nuttin to do with me,
Don't forget I'm half whitey,
put the focus back on hillary.

It's like dis and like dat,
I'm Hussien O-B, and I'm phat.

PEACE OUT! PRAISE TO THE NATION OF ISLAM!

Don't be posting that uncle tom shit here, Jest!

That's just garbage.

It's like I always thought... scratch the surface of a Democrat, and there's a racist just underneath.

Look at all the revelations we've had in the press recently. Bill Clinton's a racist. Geraldine Ferraro's a racist. And now, Barack Obama's a racist.

Those hypocrites down at the DNC who label all republicans as racist are finally getting a vetting. And "wallah"... it turns out, they're ALL racists AND hypocrites!!!

The problem Obama faces is simple but stark: in announcing his bid for the White House, the junior Senator from Illinois promised a "new kind of politics" built around a post-racial and, to a lesser degree, a post-partisan unity and harmony. Over the course of the campaign he has also asserted repeatedly that experience is less important than judgment - a claim he backs up in every instance by referring to his 2002 speech against Iraq.

But after this week's revelation about Wright, Obama's 20-year relationship with the pastor calls into question his promise of a post-racial era in American politics and his judgment, thus undermining the two core rationales of his candidacy.


Ju got some 'splainin' to do, Barry!

news.yahoo.com

Well, let's see what the speech entails. If he denies ever hearing any of Wright's BS, then it looks like it's gonna get into a lot of "he said, she said" real soon.

"Clarification: The Obama campaign has told members of the press that Senator Obama was not in church on the day cited, July 22, because he had a speech he gave in Miami at 1:30 PM. Our writer, Jim Davis, says he attended several services at Senator Obama's church during the month of July, including July 22. The church holds services three times every Sunday at 7:30 and 11 a.m. and 6 p.m. Central time. While both the early morning and evening service allowed Sen. Obama to attend the service and still give a speech in Miami, Mr. Davis stands by his story that during one of the services he attended during the month of July, Senator Obama was present and sat through the sermon given by Rev. Wright as described in the story. Mr. Davis said Secret Service were also present in the church during Senator Obama's attendance. Mr. Davis' story was first published on Newsmax on August 9, 2007. Shortly before publication, Mr. Davis contacted the press office of Sen. Obama several times for comment about the Senator's attendance and Rev. Wright's comments during his sermon. The Senator's office declined to comment."

"In fact, Obama was present in the South Side Chicago church on July 22 last year when Jim Davis, a freelance correspondent for Newsmax, attended services along with Obama. [See: "Obama's Church: Cauldron of Division."]

In his sermon that day, Wright tore into America, referring to the "United States of White America" and lacing his sermon with expletives as Obama listened. Hearing Wright's attacks on his own country, Obama had the opportunity to walk out, but Davis said the senator sat in his pew and nodded in agreement.

Addressing the Iraq war, Wright thundered, "Young African-American men" were "dying for nothing." The "illegal war," he shouted, was "based on Bush's lies" and is being "fought for oil money."

Obama's most famous celebrity backer, Oprah Winfrey began attending Wright's church in 1984. Last year, Newsmax magazine reported that Winfrey abruptly stopped attending years ago, and suggested that she did so to distance herself from Wright's inflammatory rhetoric. She soon found herself a target of Wright, who excoriated her for having broken with "traditional faith." by Ronald Kessler

"...label all republicans as racist..."

In early March 1989, after his legislative victory, Duke addressed a Populist party convention in Chicago, telling the audience of neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and skinheads that he had run for office under the GOP label "because that's where so many of our people are," adding, "I am a Republican, but I am and always will be a Populist Republican!"

Source
"And "wallah"..."

LOL!

Hans

"This may come as a shock to you, SanAntone, but you are a very, very, very small minority..."

Yes, I am aware that I am in a small minority of reasonable people who understand that you don't really know everything about someone from 30 seconds of video tape.

I am in a small minority of people who takes a look at the bigger picture and sees a disconnect between what is on those videos, and the distinguished reputation the man has among colleagues and institutions all over the country.

I am in a small minority of people who took the time to do some investigation into this guy and saw a different portrait than has the screeching horde who is trying to seize a political advantage.

I am in a small minority that is willing to admit that I just don't know all the answers about the man or the situation and decline to spew even more hate and divisiveness to the point of posting the same stuff over and over and over, even writing and perpetuating outright lies.

I am in a small minority, apparently, that believes a person should be judged by their own words and actions first and foremost.

I get it Jest. Too bad you don't.

As a Democrat, I'd like Hillary to do some explain as well about her connection to what has been dubbed by indirectly by its founder as the Christian Mafia:

www.drudge.com

"Yes, I am aware that I am in a small minority of reasonable people who understand that you don't really know everything about someone from 30 seconds of video tape."

Thirty seconds of video tape??? Where in hell have you been, SanAntone? Twenty fuckin' years of history we're talking about here. Oprah got fed up and left the church LONG ago. Get with it, boy!

"I get it Jest. Too bad you don't."

Hey, ol' buddy...I'm one of the 92% who DO get it.

I know it's painful, San Antone...I feel your pain. All this time your idol has been soaring high, winning primaries, preaching "hope," "change" and all that feel good stuff and all of a sudden, he's headed in the tank. It's gotta hurt big time. However, it's not MY fault, SanAntone, or any of your other DR brothers like Cookfish, FarmerJohn, KrisPBacon, 101Chairborne, Wisgod and the others. We ALL have sympathy for you , Klifferd, Hans and the rest of your little friends. Don't grieve for long, SanAntone. Have a good cry and cheer up. After all, you still have Hillary.

After all, you still have Hillary.

Ha! FF!

jest i don't think you get it

if you got it

then bush wouldn't be in office
mccain would be finishing up his 2 terms about now

and things would have been different

but now we have a mccain who is doing bush's 3rd term instead of being himself.

and maybe he's playing the game of politics
and just saying he's in line with bush to get the nod of approval, and be his old self when he gets into office... but that kind of stuff is what we're all sick of... the lies the lies the lies

bancrupcy bush with 2 failed business
and 2 failed terms

3rd times a charm

mccain for full american bancrupcy!
yay

"After all, you still have Hillary."

Jest gets the Tuesday "Kick a man when he's down" award.

Spud,

Anyone who thinks Baraack Obama is a racist is prolly a racist themselves

I disagree. The fact is that a whole lot of blacks are still upset about slavery and how they were treated up until what the 70's, 80's maybe. That Oblahma chose to attend an anti-White, pro-Africa church, and is married to a woman who has only been proud of her country when Oblahma gets near the nomination is a pretty clear indicator of Racism. How much do you want to bet me that some white dude at some time in the past hasn't called him a nigger? And poor little scrawny big eared Oblahma was unable to defend himself or was outnumbered and had to walk away with head down because he was unable to fight back. If you were black, and grew up in a society where blacks were discriminated against and probably heard horror stories from Granny or someone, wouldn't a reasonable person assume that some ill feelings would exist towards the group that did the discriminating? Would that make it OK? So if some black guys beat me up I can be a black hating racist?

He wrote that he used alcohol, marijuana, and cocaine during his teenage years to "push questions of who I was out of my mind".[

That was from Wiki, which I normally don't use but was in a hurry. This guy has clearly struggled his whole life with issues concerning race. To think he is somehow "Above the Influence" of being a racist is a bit of a stretch. It is a good thing he had a white mom and an absent dad.

Cheers,
Walt

"but now we have a mccain who is doing bush's 3rd term instead of being himself."

mccain??? bush's 3rd term??? Damn, kliff...are you starting to snort that stuff this early in the morning or are you just continuing from last night? I have no idea what you're talking about. Let me help you here:

"OBAMA TO GIVE SPEECH ON RACE TOMORROW"

That is the title of the thread. other topics germane to the subject have to do with Reverend Jeremiah Wright and the United Church of Christ in Chicago. Did you think you were somewhere else or are you just having trouble clearing the cobwebs from what you use for a brain?

"Jest gets the Tuesday "Kick a man when he's down" award.

Posted by wisgod"

Read my post again and see if you think I'm "down". I was attempting to take a step back and ask some legitimate questions that nobody else seems willing to consider.

All Republicans are racists

Hans,

Tell that to the Democratic Grand Kleagle of the KKK that's currently three heartbeats aways from the presidency, Robert Byrd.

At least Duke wasn't a hypocrite, hypocrite. ;-)

Here's today's Obama speech.

Vote for Obama... in order to create a more perfect union. LOL!

This time we want to talk about the men and women of every color and creed who serve together, and fight together, and bleed together under the same proud flag.......

..that I won't even salute or wear on my lapel.

Love,

Barry


Text of Obama's speech

www.huffingtonpost.com

"But the remarks that have caused this recent firestorm weren't simply controversial. They weren't simply a religious leader's effort to speak out against perceived injustice. Instead, they expressed a profoundly distorted view of this country - a view that sees white racism as endemic, and that elevates what is wrong with America above all that we know is right with America; a view that sees the conflicts in the Middle East as rooted primarily in the actions of stalwart allies like Israel, instead of emanating from the perverse and hateful ideologies of radical Islam.


As such, Reverend Wright's comments were not only wrong but divisive, divisive at a time when we need unity; racially charged at a time when we need to come together to solve a set of monumental problems - two wars, a terrorist threat, a falling economy, a chronic health care crisis and potentially devastating climate change; problems that are neither black or white or Latino or Asian, but rather problems that confront us all."

" I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community. I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother - a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe.


These people are a part of me. And they are a part of America, this country that I love.


Some will see this as an attempt to justify or excuse comments that are simply inexcusable. I can assure you it is not. I suppose the politically safe thing would be to move on from this episode and just hope that it fades into the woodwork. We can dismiss Reverend Wright as a crank or a demagogue, just as some have dismissed Geraldine Ferraro, in the aftermath of her recent statements, as harboring some deep-seated racial bias."

Geraldine Ferraro- well, you know that was coming.

The botton line appears to be that Obama will stick to the claim that regardless of his long and close association with the Pastor, he had no clue that he was condemning America and whites from the pulpit.

Excerpt from the speech:

I can no more disown him [Rev. Wright] than I can disown the black community. I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe.

Nailed it.

Should put it to rest, which is unfortunate for Clinton because she needs divisive politics to win.

This is the reality in which Reverend Wright and other African-Americans of his generation grew up. They came of age in the late fifties and early sixties, a time when segregation was still the law of the land and opportunity was systematically constricted. What's remarkable is not how many failed in the face of discrimination, but rather how many men and women overcame the odds; how many were able to make a way out of no way for those like me who would come after them.

But for all those who scratched and clawed their way to get a piece of the American Dream, there were many who didn't make it those who were ultimately defeated, in one way or another, by discrimination. That legacy of defeat was passed on to future generations those young men and increasingly young women who we see standing on street corners or languishing in our prisons, without hope or prospects for the future. Even for those blacks who did make it, questions of race, and racism, continue to define their worldview in fundamental ways. For the men and women of Reverend Wright's generation, the memories of humiliation and doubt and fear have not gone away; nor has the anger and the bitterness of those years. That anger may not get expressed in public, in front of white co-workers or white friends. But it does find voice in the barbershop or around the kitchen table. At times, that anger is exploited by politicians, to gin up votes along racial lines, or to make up for a politician's own failings.

And occasionally it finds voice in the church on Sunday morning, in the pulpit and in the pews. The fact that so many people are surprised to hear that anger in some of Reverend Wright's sermons simply reminds us of the old truism that the most segregated hour in American life occurs on Sunday morning. That anger is not always productive; indeed, all too often it distracts attention from solving real problems; it keeps us from squarely facing our own complicity in our condition, and prevents the African-American community from forging the alliances it needs to bring about real change. But the anger is real; it is powerful; and to simply wish it away, to condemn it without understanding its roots, only serves to widen the chasm of misunderstanding that exists between the races.


Well put, Barack!

Obama seeks unity and understanding in a country torn apart by divisiveness and mistrust and ignorance.

Even as Shrillary and her minions, folk like Scary Geri Ferraro and our own beluffed Corky try to sow the seeds of destruction using the politics of hate and fear-mongering.

Your campaign of fear-mongering will backfire Corky.

Your campaign of Hill or Hell will ultimately collapse under the weight of it's own hate and ignorance.

Obama seeks to bring the whole country together even as Hillary tries to tear the Democratic party apart.

Even someone barely paying attention to all this furor can easily see who preaches the politics of change and hopefullness and who preaches the politics of Rovian dirty tricks and cynicism.

08ama '08.

Nobody else even comes close.

Be Well.

/Ta fer yer Drudge link there Farmer Longjohns.

//Spud was wondering wot to make his first blog entry of the day on.

///Thought I was goinna hafta wait to do one on BHO's speech but thanx to Matt "Das Scoop" Drudge now Spud don't hafta!

tax unfortunately the cons are getting desperate and use anything to try to get people against obama

because obama can and will defeat mccain

scurred

Taxman...

To Corky's chagrin, this entire episode has given Obama an unfettered opportunity to show the metal that he's made of. Even though race has been one of the unspeakable forces in the room, yet again we're reminded that he encompasses BOTH races, not just one because his skin happens to be brown.

In the longrun, I beleive we will look back on this incident as the moment Obama solidifies his convenant with America in a way neither Hillary nor McCain could ever possibly do. His demeanor and refusal to panic under pressure will serve him well when he takes over the White House next January, good lord willing.

Campaign of inconvenient truths, my dear half-baked one.

"Tell that to the Democratic Grand Kleagle of the KKK..."

Oops:

"I know now I was wrong. Intolerance had no place in America. I apologized a thousand times ... and I don't mind apologizing over and over again. I can't erase what happened."
Live in the now.

Hans

tax unfortunately the cons are getting desperate and use anything to try to get people against obama

because obama can and will defeat mccain

scurred

Posted by klifferd at 2008-03-18 11:05 AM | Reply


You fruits are classic. It's the "cons" doing this as opposed to Hussiens Dem rival...Fucking classic.

This speech was the dumbest thing he did since entering the race.

He should have kept his yap shut and stayed well away from the race aspect of it. He has now opened the door and will now be expected to comment every time someone says anything about race. Then it will become about nothing other than race. He just put the last nail in his own coffin.

I really hope I am right. If I am wrong, and he somehow manages to sucker the masses, I will eat crow on that prediction.

My money says he just did himself in. Who the fuck wants to listen to some black man wailing about racial shit? Not me and not anyone I know. It hasn't worked for any black candidate in the past and it won't work now.

And he used the term "seared". That is gonna come back.

Cheers,
Walt

Live in the now.

Hans

Posted by Hans at 2008-03-18 11:07 AM | Reply


Irony flag.

I am starting to think that this was planned from the get go. People ask, "Obama had to know this was going to be an issue, why didn't he address it earlier." Well, my unsavy political friends, you are witnessing why. This speech has brought him to the forefront of the political stage. Moreover, it is a speech that calls for racial unification and unity among all Americans. It acknowledges that there or ignorant people on both sides of the issue, and that we need to move beyond those people and come together as a nation.

I like what I hear so far, I commend him for not throwing the pastor under the bus when it would be the easiest thing to do. Also, he is confrointing the issues well.

Will keep watching.

"..that I won't even salute or wear on my lapel."

Jack Kinsgston agrees with you:
www.youtube.com

scurred aren't ya hahaha

Outstanding! Just outstanding! These issues we as a nation need to talk about!

Cookfish the lame troll trying to get shillary as the nom just so McCain beats her. How admirable is this guy? Won't work though tard. Anybody who can't come up with a better name than cookfish deserves to be ignored.

He's making headlines. Hillary can't make a speech about how penis and vagina should unite. Obama will dominate the press for the next few days. McCain will only get coverage if the Viagra kicks in during a press conference.

Nothing during a campaign happens by accident.

scurred aren't ya hahaha

Scurred like Oblahma who wouldn't dare show his children in public? McCain regularly shows off his pretty fine older lady of a wife and I know if he had 2 cute little blonde baby girls they would be front and center of every photo opp. But Oblahma can't do that can he? If he shows white America 2 little black girls, well, then, that is another story. Sad but true. He has tried so hard to ignore anything about himself which is black and now he has just cast the searchlight on it.

"Hello Pennsylvania, my name is Barack Obama and I represent all of you."

This is greatness! Beats the Romney Mormon speech out of the water and McCain nor Hillary could ever come close to this.

Obama is a racist isn't going to convince anyone. This issue is a contrived attempt to stop the Obama juggernaut. If his lack of a flag pin didn't already convince the morons of AMerica this attempt won't stop him either.

Anybody who can't come up with a better name than cookfish deserves to be ignored.

Posted by messiah

FF Boyd.

Anybody who can't come up with a better name than cookfish deserves to be ignored.

Posted by messiah at 2008-03-18 11:17 AM | Re


Is that why you changed handles pussy? Were you being ignored under your other handles or were you just mortified at how stupid people thought you were?

Nothing during a campaign happens by accident.

Howard Dean might disagree.

Cheers,
Walt

He quoted Faulkner, for Christssake.

Anybody who can't come up with a better name than cookfish deserves to be ignored.

Gotcha, Jacka- I mean Byrdma - I mean Messiah. Don't you have another jew-hating thread to post?

Listen to the crowd, he is really nailing it. This reminds me of the 2004 DNC Convention speech.

Expect this from Hillary and her fellow republicans: "Barack has always been a good speaker and this is no different, just words."

and I know if he had 2 cute little blonde baby girls they would be front and center of every photo opp.

You wish.

"If he shows white America 2 little black girls, well, then, that is another story. Sad but true."

That's is a reflection on your prejudices, not America's.

"Barack has always been a good speaker and this is no different, just words."

Fo shizzle.

He's on point like I've never seen before.

Mr. Obama is trying not just to distance himself from the minister's more provocative statements

Yes please distance yourself from the man who baptised you, from your preacher of 20 years, from the man who married you, from the man who spoke the words that you used to title your book.

Please tell us how you are nothing like this guy, how he has had no effect on your thought process, and belief structure...

LOL... he's just an aquaintance.

Howard Dean might disagree.

Ok,

Nothing during a campaign happens by accident...unless the candidate is a dumbass.

and I know if he had 2 cute little blonde baby girls they would be front and center of every photo opp.

You wish.
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Bullshit and you know it. If McCain had 2 little cute babies he would be trotting them out at every opportunity. Oblahma can't do it and won't do it cause he knows that if people start looking at his black babies and start thinking of him less like Colin Powell and more like Jesse Jackson that he may as well hang it up and head home.

Cheers,
Walt

The botton line appears to be that Obama will stick to the claim that regardless of his long and close association with the Pastor, he had no clue that he was condemning America and whites from the pulpit

-Corky

You're not even listening, are you?

All the lemmings are drooling over him right now. How pathetic...

I still am willing to bet he could break out of a bamboo birdcage.

And he's a heterosexual?

God that pisses off the Right.



Well, I think he managed to say everything that he thought every one would want to hear, all in one speech.

If he and his own staff had not been race-baiting and fanning the flames of victimization all along, it would seem more sincere.

www.drudge.com

"That anger is not always productive; indeed, all too often it distracts attention from solving real problems; it keeps us from squarely facing our own complicity in our condition, and prevents the African-American community from forging the alliances it needs to bring about real change."

Right...Spudski...and do you think recent events, even taking in THIS speech is going to change it? That THIS speech will have the impact that Wright's antics over the last twenty years is having? Do you REALLY believe that those who were NOT going to vote for Obama will now do so as a result of this speech. Just consider Wright's congregation, do you really believe that Obama's speech has made them want to reconcile with the "white man?"

"But the anger is real;"

Damn sure is and it has been fanned over the past weeks.

"... it is powerful; and to simply wish it away, to condemn it without understanding its roots, only serves to widen the chasm of misunderstanding that exists between the races."

Well, rest assured it ain't going away by November. None of it matters to me, personally, I wasn't going to vote for him way prior to all this hoopla. Not because of his race, but because he is WAAAAAAY too far left for me. None of the candidates is a pied piper for me! I just think the blind followers getting so excited over a mere politician is amusing, especially for some Canadian who can't even vote...LOL.

if people start looking at his black babies and start thinking of him less like Colin Powell and more like Jesse Jackson that he may as well hang it up and head home.

And who would do something like that?

Nigger-baby-hating racists?

Like you?

Oh, I get it now. Obama's white grandmother used racial stereotypes so it is okay for Obama to have a spiritual mentor that hates whitey. Pretty clear cut - now I know that I don't want Obama or his grandmother to be president.

"Barack has always been a good speaker and this is no different, just words."

Considering that's all he ever did in the Illinois Senate, he should be a good speaker.

I still am willing to bet he could break out of a bamboo birdcage.


POSTED BY MANYPATHS AT 2008-03-18 11:27 AM | REPLY | FLAG:


That is a sick thing to say.

Cheers,
Walt

Please tell us how you are nothing like this guy, how he has had no effect on your thought process, and belief structure...

-Rob

You're not listening, either.

I still am willing to bet he could break out of a bamboo birdcage.

Posted by Manypaths at 2008-03-18 11:27 AM | Reply

I'm willing to bet he's better at breaking in to things.

if people start looking at his black babies and start thinking of him less like Colin Powell and more like Jesse Jackson that he may as well hang it up and head home.

And who would do something like that?

Nigger-baby-hating racists?

Like you?
POSTED BY NESS_GADOL AT 2008-03-18 11:29 AM | REPLY | FLAG:


Stick your head in the sand if you want. Bet you won't see those babies on stage.

Cheers,
Walt

The speech just ended, and it's quite possibly the best speech I've heard in years.

I guess they'd rather we hate each other and cast senseless aspersions around like hand grenades.

Dividing people is always a growth industry.

Admit it, you guys are just pissed off that his pastor doesn't fuck little boys.

It just drives you fuckers nuts!

If Hillary has the slightest sense, she will embrace this speech and agree with him totally.



So the chances are she will be critical and say he has not done enough - "just another speech" etc.


If Bill Clinton does not embrace this speech 100% he is a hypocrite, but we already know that.

I'd be shocked if this speech helps him in Pennsylvania, he's down like 13 points... I'd be even more shocked if this speech does anything except keep Rev. God Damn America on the TV for a while longer.

He said enough to keep his supporters from fleeing in masses, but then again he could walked out there and did bird calls for 45 minutes and most of his supporters would have cheered...

I'm willing to bet he's better at breaking in to things.

That's racist!

-Hussein Obama

The speech is over.

Ladies and Gentlemen, I present to you THE NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES; President-elect Barack Obama

Which University got the day off to attend this pep rally?

Walt, did you happen to see Obama's Christmas commercial where his kids took center stage? Moreover, his children have been on stage at other events. Obviously you haven't been paying attention.

"Not because of his race, but because he is WAAAAAAY too far left for me"

this i can except as a reason to not vote barack

but the calls of race or what some other guy he is friends with says, or that he is "better at breaking in to things"

thats just immaturity

jest, glad your honest about your opinions

Excellent speech. Very presidential. Showed his character and integrity. Demonstrated why those of us who are supporting him think so highly of him. If Pennsylvanias run from him, then the good people of my home state are not the sensible people I think they are.

Don't be surprised Rcade, most Socialist and Communist dictators thought their "visions" were bigger too.

Here's the weird thing about that.

Policies are either left or right.

Governments are either authoritarian or libertarian.

Hitler, Stalin, Mao Tse Tung, the Shah of Iran, Idi Amin, Mussolini, Pinochet, Papa Doc Duvalier, etc etc ad nauseum were all authoritarian dictators.

Left and right don't even enter into it.

America is sliding towards authoritarianism under the auspices of Righty Rule, of that, there can be no doubt. A slow creeping slide into diminished freedoms, a gradual erosion of cherished liberties, an increased governmental control over citizen's daily lives.

Do. Not. Want.

The last couple of decades in American politics have proven that the Right represent repression, division, a "rich get richer" mentality, whereby too much power is collecting into fewer and fewer hands.

Do. Not. Want.

Mao and Walt and other tragic wingnuts on this blog always bring up the canard of left wing dictatorships when the reality is that the democratic political left is indisputably the more libertarian political philosophy that tries to prevent a drop into the abyss of authoritarianism that Orwell warned us about while the right have only increased their love of societal control and their hatred of the democratic process and the ideals that America was founded on.

Sorry Walt, you FAIL.

Be Well.

Great speech. Obama's candidacy speaks to history. Whether it ends in the White House remains to be seen, but I have to think that this speech will stand as a watershed moment in American politics -- one of the things we'll most remember from this time.

It is a speech we have all been waiting for for a generation.

Really? We who? A bunch of racist blacks or the rest of us? I don't give a shit about the fact that blacks were slaves. I didn't enslave them and nobody I know enslaved them. So I don't care. You people are like the Palestinians and the Jews, you will never forget and you will never move on. You will be fighting and whining about this bullshit for centuries. Slavery has ended; black people can run for President, get a fucking life already!!! The reason Oblahma won't win isn't because he is a Negro, it is because he makes speeches about the woes of Negroes. Well fuck the Negroes. They have just as many opportunities to succeed as anyone else.

That was one impressive speech. He has certainly helped himself.

Rob-

You're not listening, either.

Posted by ness_gadol


No, I'm not... I'm reading it.

I see words like "Former Pastor." And to that I say bullshit... this guy is way too close to Obama for him to claim anything like "Former" at this point...

Walt, did you happen to see Obama's Christmas commercial where his kids took center stage?
Posted by taxman at 2008-03-18 11:37 AM | Reply


Those were pieces of coal you racist bastard!

Bet you won't see those babies on stage.

Knowing that there are creepy guys like you around would keep me from showcasing my children too. He already banhammered the pedophile webmaster who had pics of Obama's kids on his site with ratings of "cuteness."

www.thesmokinggun.com

Wright has already retired from Trinity's pulpit.

Message to San Antonio Rogue...

But Obama hasn't. So... what's his PLAN for effecting racial reconciliation? All he's done so far is to sit in a pew for twenty years (+) hoping for change and shouting "AMEN!" to Reverend Wright's every racial attack.

He claims to be an agent of "change". But his actions prove he's just part of the AMEN CHORUS for some of the worst bigots in America!

Hypocrite, thy name is Obama!


He said enough to keep his supporters from fleeing in masses, but then again he could walked out there and did bird calls for 45 minutes and most of his supporters would have cheered...

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole


Ok, that is pretty funny.

I am starting to detect a very unsettling factor. Much like his mom, who chose to fuck a black man to piss off her parents, I think you liberal Oblamites are supporting him just to piss off other people. The sad thing is it may just work, and you don't realize how stupid your actions actually are. I know why Spud wants him to win, it is because Spud hates America and wants to see it doomed, I do not know why the rest of you do.

Cheers,
Walt

Wright has already retired from Trinity's pulpit.

Message to San Antonio Rogue...

But Obama hasn't. So... what's his PLAN for effecting racial reconciliation? All he's done so far is to sit in a pew for twenty years (+) hoping for change and shouting "AMEN!" to Reverend Wright's every racial attack.

He claims to be an agent of "change". But his actions prove he's just part of the AMEN CHORUS for some of the worst bigots in America!

Hypocrite, thy name is Obama!

The speech just ended, and it's quite possibly the best speech I've heard in years.

I'd love to be a fly on the wall in the McCain and Clinton camps when they watch something like this. His writing and oratory are on another level.

uhmm rob
he's retired

thus
former

afraid to listen cause you might be inspired?

manypaths, you are an idiot.

It is a speech we have all been waiting for for a generation.

Really? We who? A bunch of racist blacks or the rest of us? I don't give a shit about the fact that blacks were slaves. I didn't enslave them and nobody I know enslaved them. So I don't care. You people are like the Palestinians and the Jews, you will never forget and you will never move on. You will be fighting and whining about this bullshit for centuries. Slavery has ended; black people can run for President, get a fucking life already!!! The reason Oblahma won't win isn't because he is a Negro, it is because he makes speeches about the woes of Negroes. Well fuck the Negroes. They have just as many opportunities to succeed as anyone else.

Walt, did you happen to see Obama's Christmas commercial where his kids took center stage?

The whorehouse in Thailand didn't have satellite.

Brilliant, inspiring. Thank you Barack

Demonstrated why those of us who are supporting him think so highly of him.

Considering the other choice will be a disabled munchcin whose claim to fame is getting his ass shot out of the sky by a family of third-world monkeys, is it really that difficult to support the guy?

McCain supporters are Nigger haters!

You guys are beyond lemming-like in your Obama addiction. It's fucking scary to be quite honest.

"Much like his mom, who chose to fuck a black man to piss off her parents..."

*sigh*

And the lies continue, unabated.

Obama should have come out as strong against his "Uncle" Reverend Wright's racist comments as he did in his speech today and instead done it immediately after this broke. He did not. Only now did Obama even admit that he had heard other inflammatory comments by "Uncle" Reverand Wright.

Only now does Obama even admit he had heard "other" comments besides the one's the Rev. Wright made that started this uproar.

We have ENOUGH problems in this country to deal with -- economy, Bush's war that's costing us billions, millions without health insurance, etc., -- without having to be BORED TO DEATH again with nothing but more race whinning.

Polically correct on my part? Hell no.
Am I probably like the majority of Americans? Hell yes.

I'd love to be a fly on the wall in the McCain and Clinton camps when they watch something like this. His writing and oratory are on another level.

That is exactly why I think Obama has been waiting for this to happen for some time. He used this opportunity to get unity and hope back in the heart of this campaign.

Walt, did you happen to see Obama's Christmas commercial where his kids took center stage? Moreover, his children have been on stage at other events. Obviously you haven't been paying attention.
POSTED BY TAXMAN AT 2008-03-18 11:37 AM | REPLY | FLAG:



Actually no, I didn't. I was without TV at the time. And although I do try very hard to stay up to date with the news, sometimes it can be difficult. Do you have a few photos of Oblama and the kids that you would like to share?

Cheers,
Walt

"Stick your head in the sand if you want. Bet you won't see those babies on stage."

What the hell are you talking about? They've been on stage with him several times. The introductory page of the campaign website has a picture of them on it.

They are young and possibly shy little girls for heaven's sake. Should he be required to trot them out at every event? They leave them at home most of the time where they go to school, play with their friends and lead as normal lives as possible. Michelle and Barack try to make sure at least one of them is present for all their school activities and other functions.

Your little hate games are fine to play with the adults, but taking it down to two little girls is shameful - even for you.

And to that I say bullshit... this guy is way too close to Obama for him to claim anything like "Former" at this point...

I see your point, but what I got from the speech is that he is accepting and, more importantly explaining, the rationale behind his position and how it reflects a very real racial divide between black and white Americans. He's right, people don't talk about it like they should, they ignore it. The best part was that he really didn't try to blame anyone in particular. He stated a reality. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it.

To hear such blunt comments from a politician should be refreshing to anyone.

Surprise, surprise. He makes another fluffy speech and all the sheep start bleating with excitement.

"I can no more disown him [Rev. Wright] than I can disown the black community. I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe."

You can't choose your grandmother. You sure as hell can choose who your spiritual mentor is, who you let baptize you, guide you, and teach you for 20 years. A spiritual mentor is someone you look to for wisdom and answers. That is what Wright is to Barack. Not a maladjusted preacher he's listened to on occasion, or a friend who helped him out in a rough time, but the person he thought for 20 years had most or all of the answers.

Oblamites are supporting him just to piss off other people.

No, we would then be Clinton supporters.

Please keep up. We know how to piss you off if that was what we intended to do.

Walt here is the video:

www.youtube.com

"You guys are beyond lemming-like in your Obama addiction. It's fucking scary to be quite honest."

After five years of needless war in Iraq, after the economy ending up in the toilet, etc. it is way beyond scary that some of y'all are still part of that 20%.

"McCain supporters are Nigger haters!"

vow

hahhahah

The whorehouse in Thailand didn't have satellite.
POSTED BY LEEATWATER AT 2008-03-18 11:42 AM | REPLY | FLAG:



Actually you fool, I was on Bagram Air Base in Afghanistan and at the time I did not have a TV.

Cheers,
Walt

Too bad Obama couldn't truncate his speech into a one-line sound-byte for all the meatbags-with-eyes out there. I've heard relatives say homophobic things. Should I disown them?

Wright has been cast as a demon by the ignorant. He got excited, said/did some crazy things. Now we're trying to Howard Dean Obama by association?

That don't make no sense.

We need two countries.

Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2008-03-18 12:26 PM


Right now it looks like we've got 5 or 6 "countries" rolled into one. How many more do you need?

His writing and oratory are on another level.

But his judgment abilities (you know, the ones he wants us to look at instead of his experience) just plain stink, unless you think having Rezko as a financial adviser and Wright as a spiritual adviser were good things. I'm thinking he should get Sharpton as his domestic policy adviser.

Walt, did you happen to see Obama's Christmas commercial where his kids took center stage?

The whorehouse in Thailand didn't have satellite.

No, your wrong. Walt goes to the one with little boys and they have local cable. He was there for his "stocking stuffer"....

Brilliant, inspiring. Thank you Barack.

- His writing and oratory are on another level.


He gives a good speech, even when forced to by his own mistakes. But let's not get carried away about "his" writing here...

www.nytimes.com

We need two countries.

Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2008-03-18 12:26 PM


Right now with all the ethnic/socio whining groups it looks like we've got 5 or 6 separate "countries" rolled into one. How many more do you need?

Much like his mom, who chose to fuck a black man to piss off her parents ...

That's the best you can do to refute the speech -- pretend you had a front row seat to his conception and turn it into something ugly, as if all interracial babies are conceived out of spite? The smallness of your viewpoint is staggering, Walt.

One reason so many of us are supporting Obama is to prove that America is bigger than that.

Actually you fool, I was on Bagram Air Base in Afghanistan and at the time I did not have a TV.

Cheers,
Walt


Oh, I had no idea you were just a pawn.

I'd love to be a fly on the wall in the McCain and Clinton camps when they watch something like this. His writing and oratory are on another level.

----

Just don't call him articulate.

Walt, here is more, go to 4 minutes and 50 secs into the video:

www.youtube.com

"another fluffy speech..."

Some people have no grasp of history.

Tax,

My computer does not get YouTube. Really.

www.drudge.com

McCain defends Obama over Wright.

The Clintons are still silent.

For the last few days there have been several half wits who have told me that I can't like Obama anymore because of what Jeremiah Wright said. If you have this problem too just ask them exactly what he said, none of them have been able to tell me.

I don't like Obama, I don't like any of them, but this little episode is ridiculous. How many religously insane republicans had to distance them self from Jerry Fartwell when he said that god allowed the world trade center to be attacked because boys were kissing each other? Why is it that the republicans aren't forced to denounce Ann Coulter when she calls the 9-11 widows caniving whores who planned the whole thing so they could make a buck? G. Gordon Liddy went on the air and told his followers that they should aim at the head of federal agents because they wear bullet proof vests.

I could name off hundreds, maybe thousands of insantces where some mouth breather on the right said something far worse than what Wright said, it never dominated the news cycle for days on end though. Kind of a double standard, isn't it?

Do you have a few photos of Oblama and the kids that you would like to share?


Here ya go Walt.

inprogress.typepad.com

www.theage.com.au

media.collegepublisher.com

www.prolifeblogs.com

Now tell us again how seeing those kids in public will hurt his campaign.

Wright has already retired from Trinity's pulpit.

No sh*t SanAntonioRogue. But what has Obama ever done in the interest of racial reconciliation? He tells everyone of the need to change and heal divisions, but then sits in the pew for over twenty years as part of Rev. Wright's "AMEN CHORUS".

Does THAT sound like someone looking to heal racial divisions in this country... or exploit them? Sounds like the latter to me.

Let's see Obama go back to his church on Sunday and start preaching something different to HIS own congregation. Let's see him heal the wounds at Trinity before he heals the nations wounds. Let him prove with deeds what he says he will do with words.

Oh yeah, he won't. Those wounds are what got him where he is today.

Hypocrite, thy name is Obama!

A classic exchange between Sean Hannity and John McCain last night (bolding mine):...


HANNITY: He's been -- but he's been going to the church for 20 years. His pastor -- the church gave a lifetime achievement award to one of the biggest racists and anti-Semites in the country, Louis Farrakhan. Would you go to a church that -- where your pastor supported Louis Farrakhan?


MCCAIN: Obviously, that would not be my choice. But I do know Sen. Obama. He does not share those views.


www.huffingtonpost.com

Don't you just love it when all the smearmongering idiots are shown just how far "off the ranch" their collective blatherings truly are when the Republican nominee AGREES that Obama shouldn't be tarred by what his pastor has said?

It also shows who has the decency and class to admit the obvious based upon their own personal assertation of Obama's personal character.

And it also shows who lacks said qualities in pursuit of a campaign built upon the destruction of the Democrat's leading nominee by the one who has no conceivable way of catching up without the implosion of an opponent's campaign.

But his judgment abilities (you know, the ones he wants us to look at instead of his experience) just plain stink

Posted by cookfish at 2008-03-18 11:46 AM | Reply

Like anyone should pay any attention to you on YOUR judgement. You voted for someone with no experiense who stole land for his private business through Eminent Domain, and couldn't run an oil business in Texas with the bin Laden family bailing him out---and you voted for him.

I doubt anyone with an ounce of sense would pay any attention to anything a moron like you would say about anyones judgement.

Yeah, Ness, Republicans are nice to the children of their political opponets, I'm sure they wouldn't even mention them . . . .

Ok, let's collect all the ugly things you have ever said during your life, post them on youtube and see how you are judged. The politically expedient thing for Obama to do would have been to throw Wright under the bus. The fact that he did not shows that he has integrity.

"Why is it that the republicans aren't forced to denounce Ann Coulter when she calls the 9-11 widows caniving whores who planned the whole thing so they could make a buck?"
--NOGOV4ME


How many Republicans claimed Ann as their mentor dipshit?

Very good speech...

Had it come to lead off his campaign, it would have been convincing. As it is, it'll probably take enough of the knee-jerk blubbering voters from Billary to get the nomination pretty easily.
The timing of it, though, makes it look calculatedm, whether or not he actually believes it. It will deprive him of the groundswell he needs to end all thoughtful voting.

In the general election, he has to sell losing the war and raising taxes to pay for all this healing....He loses to McCain and it probably won't be very close....

Speeches are nice, but good ideas matter.

A vote against Obama because of his halkf black heritage is certainly an indicator of racism.

???

How do you figure that? I am most certainly not a racist in the least. I'm not yet sure who I am voting for in November, but if I don't vote for Obama, that is an indicator of my racism?

That's pretty much the most ignorant thing I've ever heard.

Which search words should I use?


Are you kidding me?

You're like that kid in high school who used to give me $5 to see my test answers in Environmental Science...Lord knows what a difficult class that was...

One reason so many of us are supporting Obama is to prove that America is bigger than that.
POSTED BY RCADE AT 2008-03-18 11:47 AM | REPLY | FLAG:


Who do you need to prove something to? Do you want to wank the French off? You want to prove that you are not a racist, give some black dude 40 acres and a mule, not the keys to the fucking cookie jar.

Fool.

Cheers,
Walt

That is exactly why I think Obama has been waiting for this to happen for some time. He used this opportunity to get unity and hope back in the heart of this campaign.

Posted by taxman at 2008-03-18 11:44 AM | Reply


I'm willing to bet you bought one of those necklaces that has the 2 halves of the broken heart. You're currently wearing one, and once the order of protection expires, you're going to give the other half to Barry.

The level of brainwashing that it would take for you to actually believe what you typed above is fucking sickening. Do you have his poster hanging above your bed Tax?

Here is a picture Walt:

images.google.com

God Damn America!!!

Whites have suppressed blacks throughout this nation's history.

Did I misspeak? Was that accurate? Hmmmmmm....

(some people just hate facts. Here, here's a fetus for you to chew on. Feel better? How about some gay sex? You know gay sex always makes you feel better. How about in a bathroom? With a young boy? Yeah! You can fuck him in the ass and everything, just like your Congressmen! Good little Republican......it's all better after raping young children. Enjoy the rest of your day, and remember, if you're feeling down, you can always shoot a dark skinned person or two.)

Which search words should I use?


Are you kidding me?

You're like that kid in high school who used to give me $5 to see my test answers in Environmental Science...Lord knows what a difficult class that was...

TPMtv: McCain Can't Quit John Hagee

www.youtube.com

When Is McCains Turn?

-Sarge

Live or Die

I guess you can't read dummy. He didn't say that Ann Coulter was anyones mentor. He asked why republicans didn't denounce her actions.

Read it again. s l o w e r this time.

I didn't find a thing I could disagree with as an American - putting politics aside. Yet, already this thread is full of snarky comments a 14 year old could make with limited vocabulary and thought process.

Narrow minds react rather than ever becoming proactive for the betterment of anyone but their narrow group. They continue to thrive in the propagation of division and animosity. They have not moved out of the 50's way of thinking. Stupid inferences, same old innuendo. Their mindset hasn't moved in generations - nor done anything but ignore the world around them.

I doubt anyone with an ounce of sense would pay any attention to anything a moron like you would say about anyones judgement.

Coming from a batshit crazy fuck who sees moonmen swimming in his daily bowl of gruel, I take that as a compliment, Buffa My Knob. Knowing that I don't think like you is reassuring. Thank you.

"The Clintons are still silent."

Probable statement coming:

""Obviously, that would not be my choice. But I do know Sen. Obama. He does not share those views.....as far as I know."

Now tell us again how seeing those kids in public will hurt his campaign.
POSTED BY NESS_GADOL AT 2008-03-18 11:48 AM | REPLY | FLAG:



A few of those shots look recent. Thank you for digging and finding 4 shots. Tell the truth, how hard was it?

Cheers,
Walt

I doubt anyone with an ounce of sense would pay any attention to anything a moron like you would say about anyones judgement.

Buffalo Bob


Anybody else see the irony in Bob's post?

I doubt conservatives will ever change their mind. I doubt liberals will ever change their mind. We need two countries

That is the coward's way out. The strong work to unite.

Who do you need to prove something to? Do you want to wank the French off? You want to prove that you are not a racist, give some black dude 40 acres and a mule, not the keys to the fucking cookie jar.

I don't need to prove that I'm not a racist. I need to prove that my America is bigger than yours.

Well I watched and listened to his speech and I've come to the conclusion that he needs a new speech writer. ME.

Allow me to translate.

I'm going to continue to push for SPECIAL priviledges for black americans.

Signed, Obama.

No wonder they pay me the big bucks. I can get done in a few minutes what takes others days to do.


Here is a picture Walt:

images.google.com

Posted by taxman

Taxman, my daughter is pictured in a book making pizza's with his two girls. They are about 3 and 5 years older then my daughter and took her for the afternoon making food. I could not have asked for better babysitters.

"Live or Die

I guess you can't read dummy. He didn't say that Ann Coulter was anyones mentor. He asked why republicans didn't denounce her actions.

Read it again. s l o w e r this time."
--BUFFALO_BOB


Hey dumbfuck, I didn't say he did. But you would have to be something more than a dumbfuck to understand that, would you? At least try to be a dumbfuck with an ounce of reading comprehension.

101, I am in no way infatuated with Obama and I am willing to point out his faults and my dislikes of him at any time. It just seems to me that if he didn't want to use this as an opportunity to get his message out he could have left the church a long time ago or really denounced Wright a long time ago. Instead he used the opportunity to address the issue and get his message out. You and I both now politicians generally think 10 moves in advance. I am not saying his omniscient, I am saying this opportunity fell in his lap and he was ready for it.

But the remarks that have caused this recent firestorm weren't simply controversial. They weren't simply a religious leader's effort to speak out against perceived injustice. Instead, they expressed a profoundly distorted view of this country a view that sees white racism as endemic, and that elevates what is wrong with America above all that we know is right with America; a view that sees the conflicts in the Middle East as rooted primarily in the actions of stalwart allies like Israel, instead of emanating from the perverse and hateful ideologies of radical Islam.

Spin that please. If he's a Muslim, he just got more than an apostate's death sentence.

Obama is telling the truth, and he is truly a uniter not a divider. Unlike a certain white man we all know...

Anybody else see the irony in Bob's post?

I always get a chuckle when bob posts something questioning someone's judgement or common sense.

I doubt conservatives will ever change their mind. I doubt liberals will ever change their mind. We need two countries

THat is the coward's way out. The strong, like Lincoln did, work to unite it.

You've made it plain you are a coward, bob. I'm glad Lincoln didn't have your attitude.

I don't know how this election will play out. But I can see a VERY REAL difference between this guy and our current POTUS.

I think we may have something.

Do you have his poster hanging above your bed Tax?

No, but I have a "Yes We Can" sign in my office, plus my "Ask Me About Barack" button that I received when I campaigned for Obama at the Essence Festival here back in early 2007.

Did Pat baptize Rudy?

Mentor him for 20 years?

Marry him to his wife/wives?

Did Rudy write a book named after one of his sermons?

What Difference Do Those Issues Make ?

Honestly Does Not Everyone Have A Family Member Or Friend With Radical Views You Do Not Agree With ?


Why Would You Want His Endorsement When He Stated This:

"You say you're supposed to be nice to the Episcopalians and the Presbyterians and the Methodists and this, that, and the other thing. Nonsense. I don't have to be nice to the spirit of the Antichrist."
--Pat Robertson, The 700 Club, January 14, 1991

"If I could just get a nuclear device inside Foggy Bottom, I think that's the answer." (talking about the United States State Department)

Robertson said George W Bush told him, a short time before that start of the Iraq war "Oh, no, we're not going to have any casualties "

"I think 'one man, one vote,' just unrestricted democracy, would not be wise. There needs to be some kind of protection for the minority which the white people represent now, a minority, and they need and have a right to demand a protection of their rights."
--Pat Robertson, "The 700 Club," 3/18/92


Pat, did you notice yesterday the ACLU, and all the Christ-haters, People For the American Way, NOW, etc. were totally disregarded by the Democrats and the Republicans in both houses of Congress as they went out on the steps and called out on to God in prayer and sang "God Bless America" and said "let the ACLU be hanged"? In other words, when the nation is on its knees, the only normal and natural and spiritual thing to do is what we ought to be doing all the time -- calling upon God.
On responses to the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, as quoted in AANEWS #958 (14 September 2001)


Bush Called Robertson One Of His Spiritual Advisor's ?

Robertson Has Been Advising Presidents From Regan Bush 41 and 42.

-Sarge

We can dismiss Reverend Wright as a crank or a demagogue, just as some have dismissed Geraldine Ferraro, in the aftermath of her recent statements, as harboring some deep-seated racial bias. LOL! Jerry's offenses were as disgusting as Wright's...

I think Obama needs a new motto, "Verba non Acta!"

I don't need to prove that I'm not a racist. I need to prove that my America is bigger than yours.

Posted by rcade at 2008-03-18 11:57 AM | Reply |


Which backs up the claims that liberals are voting for Obama because he's black and they simply want to look and feel enlightened.

Does Pat Robertson's endorsement hurt 9/11 mayor?

www.youtube.com

Rudy didn't have to.

-Sarge

HANNITY: He's been -- but he's been going to the church for 20 years. His pastor -- the church gave a lifetime achievement award to one of the biggest racists and anti-Semites in the country, Louis Farrakhan. Would you go to a church that -- where your pastor supported Louis Farrakhan?

MCCAIN: Obviously, that would not be my choice. But I do know Sen. Obama. He does not share those views.

Kudos to you Sen. McCain. THAT'S the John McCain we respected in our house for a lot of years until you started sounding like George Bush for political expediency!

Which backs up the claims that liberals are voting for Obama because he's black and they simply want to look and feel enlightened.


Posted by 101Chairborne


And you are voting for why?

Obama to America...

"It doesn't matter that I spent the last twenty years slamming America and white people in general. What matters now is that you vote for me in November to prove that YOU aren't a racist!"

Hypocrite.

Who do you need to prove something to? Do you want to wank the French off? You want to prove that you are not a racist, give some black dude 40 acres and a mule, not the keys to the fucking cookie jar.

I don't need to prove that I'm not a racist. I need to prove that my America is bigger than yours.
POSTED BY RCADE AT 2008-03-18 11:57 AM | REPLY | FLAG:



LMAO. You just said "One reason so many of us are supporting Obama is to prove that America is bigger than that."

Now you want to play semantics. When you realize that it is not "your" America, maybe you will cease your hypocritical, socialist notions. We are 1 nation, and as much as I despise the crap that spews out of you liberals, I do not consider you to be part of some other America.

I say again, when you feel the need to prove something, ask yourself to whom you need to prove it.

No, but I have a "Yes We Can" sign in my office...

Posted by taxman at 2008-03-18 12:01 PM | Reply

Is there a picture of Barack with the caption "Can we bamboozle white liberals" right before the "Yes we can" caption?

Cause it is white guilt.

What were those search words BTW?

Cheers,
Walt

Obama's telling us to "live in the now", right Hans?

"Obviously, that would not be my choice. But I do know Sen. Obama. He does not share those views.....as far as I know."

Posted by danni

FF Danni!

Chuck, you've got stop missing so much work when you aren't here others have to pick up your slack.

Okay boss.

Chuck, man I just told you the other day we need you to show up for work. What's going on?

Nothing boss, I'll be here I promise.

Chuck, I'm really worried about you and the guys are getting tired of working overtime to pick up your slack, what's wrong?

Nothing boss, I'll see you tomorrow.

Chuck, you won't tell me what's wrong and you missed work again. I've tried to be patient Chuck but the guys are getting pretty angry at picking up your slack, if you can't start showing up for work or tell me what's wrong so I can help or make other arrangements I'm going to have to replace you. It's not fair to the other guys, do you understand that Chuck?

Sure, boss. I'll see you tomorrow.

Chuck, where were you yesterday?

Nowhere boss.

Chuck I'm going to have to let you go, the other guys are refusing to work overtime to pick up your slack.

See in court, Cracker.

True story, not the exact words.

"Does Pat Robertson's endorsement hurt 9/11 mayor?

www.youtube.com

Rudy didn't have to.

-Sarge"


Did Pat baptize Rudy?

Mentor him for 20 years?

Marry him to his wife/wives?

Did Rudy write a book named after one of his sermons?

Well, I think he managed to say everything that he thought every one would want to hear, all in one speech.

Posted by Corky at 2008-03-18 11:28 AM | Reply

You're right, he did.

Now, I'm sure Hillary will get out her prettiest pastel pantsuit and pout on camera to blunt the damage to her campaign caused by a good speech.

Now you want to play semantics. When you realize that it is not "your" America, maybe you will cease your hypocritical, socialist notions. We are 1 nation, and as much as I despise the crap that spews out of you liberals, I do not consider you to be part of some other America.

I'm surprised I have to spell this out for you, Walt. I need to prove that my vision of America is bigger than yours.

Which backs up the claims that liberals are voting for Obama because he's black and they simply want to look and feel enlightened.

Liberals are voting for Obama because he's solid on the issues, expansive in his view of this country, an inspirational speaker, a critic of the war, and a break from the divisive Bush/Clinton/Bush years. Among other reasons.

Tell the truth, how hard was it?

-Walt

It's called "Google."

Hello?

So, when's Obama going to go back to Trinity Church and CHANGE WHAT'S GOING ON THERE? When's he gonna turn to Rev. Wright and tell him to shut up?

Never. Because Obama's all talk...

...and Obama'll be wearing his hood and sheet again there next Sunday...

Republicans learn to accept defeat since you will experience it soon enough. Obama is my savior and will be yours soon enough.

All hail Obama

Just as black anger often proved counterproductive, so have these white resentments distracted attention from the real culprits of the middle class squeeze a corporate culture rife with inside dealing, questionable accounting practices, and short-term greed; a Washington dominated by lobbyists and special interests; economic policies that favor the few over the many. And yet, to wish away the resentments of white Americans, to label them as misguided or even racist, without recognizing they are grounded in legitimate concerns this too widens the racial divide, and blocks the path to understanding.

Hammer, meet nail.

The corporations of the elite will be working overtime now to stop the big O from continuing to disseminate truth.

Did Pat baptize Rudy?

Mentor him for 20 years?

Marry him to his wife/wives?

Did Rudy write a book named after one of his sermons?

Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2008-03-18 12:09 PM | Reply

I gotta give God credit for that one. Telling Pat Robertson to publicly endorse Rudy was truly an act of omniscience and divine benevolence. A few weeks later and we're all saying, "Rudy Who?"

Give it up for God, ya'll!

I doubt conservatives will ever change their mind. I doubt liberals will ever change their mind. We need two countries.

Posted by Buffalo_Bob


Give the NeoCons Idaho. They'll be among friends.

Obama to America...

"It doesn't matter that I spent the last twenty years slamming America and white people in general. What matters now is that you vote for me in November to prove that YOU aren't a racist!"

Hypocrite.


~Liar John.

All you have is lies. how pathetic is that.

Obviously you have no interest in improving America or fighting against endemic inequities including racism in america.

A vote for Obama in Obama doesn't prove one isn't a racist. A vote against Obama because of his halkf black heritage is certainly an indicator of racism. A vote for Obama in Novemeber merely proves that one is intelligent and that one is paying attention.

Spud assumes that Framer John will not be voting Obama based on his postings to date.

Damn, Obama's lost both the idiot vote AND the racist vote!

Quelle suprise!

Obama is America's last, best hope.

If the dumbed down American populace votes fer McInsane or Shrillary then God help us all cos America is gonna finally get wot it so richly deserves.

Three strike yer out.

Vote Hope and Change or vote Big Bizness as usual.

Obama or Whoa, Bummer!

Life is choice.

Choose well.

Be Well.

Bulletin Farmer John - since you seem to have missed the several dozen times its been mentioned - Wright has already retired from Trinity's pulpit.

What exaactly did Reverend Jeremiah Wright Jr. say that wasn't accurate?

Why you fuckers hate reality is beyond me.....

I'm surprised I have to spell this out for you, Walt. I need to prove that my vision of America is bigger than yours.

Don't be surprised Rcade, most Socialist and Communist dictators thought their "visions" were bigger too.

Now go marry a black chick and your transformation will be complete.

Just brought my ticket to DC for Obama's inaugural in January. I'll save everyone a few seats;-)

"I gotta give God credit for that one. Telling Pat Robertson to publicly endorse Rudy was truly an act of omniscience and divine benevolence. A few weeks later and we're all saying, "Rudy Who?"

Give it up for God, ya'll!"
--ANTON


That DOES deserve and AMEN!

haha

The true Negro does not want integration... He realizes his potential is far better among his own race... It will destroy our race eventually... In one northern city, a pastor friend of mine tells me that a couple of opposite race live next door to his church as man and wife... It boils down to whether we are going to take God's Word as final

- Jerry Falwell(2001). "The Nation's Best Bible College Gets Low Grades on Racial Diversity".

The Religious Right and the 1992 GOP Convention

www.youtube.com

Don't You Just Love All These Guys That Get A White House Pass !!

-Sarge

Alas, I cannot give a more considered response right now as I have to get on the road. But I do want to say that this searing, nuanced, gut-wrenching, loyal, and deeply, deeply Christian speech is the most honest speech on race in America in my adult lifetime. It is a speech we have all been waiting for for a generation. Its ability to embrace both the legitimate fears and resentments of whites and the understandable anger and dashed hopes of many blacks was, in my view, unique in recent American history.

And it was a reflection of faith - deep, hopeful, transcending faith in the promises of the Gospels. And it was about America - its unique promise, its historic purpose, and our duty to take up the burden to perfect this union - today, in our time, in our way.

I have never felt more convinced that this man's candidacy - not this man, his candidacy - and what he can bring us to achieve - is an historic opportunity. This was a testing; and he did not merely pass it by uttering safe bromides. He addressed the intimate, painful love he has for an imperfect and sometimes embittered man. And how that love enables him to see that man's faults and pain as well as his promise. This is what my faith is about. It is what the Gospels are about. This is a candidate who does not merely speak as a Christian. He acts like a Christian.

Bill Clinton once said that everything bad in America can be rectified by what is good in America. He was right - and Obama takes that to a new level. And does it with the deepest darkest wound in this country's history.

I love this country. I don't remember loving it or hoping more from it than today.


andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com

-Walt

It's called "Google."


Posted by ness_gadol at 2008-03-18 12:11 PM | Reply | Flag:


Which search words should I use?

Cheers,
Walt

The true Negro does not want integration... He realizes his potential is far better among his own race... It will destroy our race eventually... In one northern city, a pastor friend of mine tells me that a couple of opposite race live next door to his church as man and wife... It boils down to whether we are going to take God's Word as final

- Jerry Falwell(2001). "The Nation's Best Bible College Gets Low Grades on Racial Diversity".

The Religious Right and the 1992 GOP Convention

www.youtube.com

Don't You Just Love All These Guys That Get A White House Pass !!

-Sarge

How many Republicans claimed Ann as their mentor dipshit?

Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE

Oh my, he called me "dipshit." You're going to have to quit being so nice. A little of the ol butt secks real savage like may just be in order if you keep flattering me like that, big guy.

How many republicans have denounced the things she says in their name? How many republicans have denounced the crazy shit that the other crazy bastards on reich wing hate radio say to advance their cause?

...and Obama'll be wearing his hood and sheet again there next Sunday...

Obama doesn't have a hood and sheet. He fights against racism not for it you lying sack of shit.

Do you print off all yer posts at the end of the day and submit them to yer Grand Kleagle fer brownie points?

Is that how you guys pick yer leaders or is it more based on who's pointy head fits the pointy hat better?

Spud always wondered.

Do you have a candidate you are supporting John-Boy or are you just here to tear down rather than build up?

Destruction is easy. Construction is hard.

For you Lawnboy, anything beyond racist lies, slurs and slanders is well neigh impossible.

Be Well.

I doubt conservatives will ever change their mind. I doubt liberals will ever change their mind. We need two countries.

Posted by Buffalo_Bob


Give the NeoCons Idaho. They'll be among their white bretheren where they can all shoot their guns and commiserate.

Idaho looks like someone giving the finger in profile. Perfect image for how they treat the other 90% in this country.

They have not moved out of the 50's way of thinking. Stupid inferences, same old innuendo. Their mindset hasn't moved in generations - nor done anything but ignore the world around them.

Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2008-03-18 11:54 AM

I doubt conservatives will ever change their mind. I doubt liberals will ever change their mind. We need two countries.

I love this country. I don't remember loving it or hoping more from it than today.

Too bad I don't see this sentiment running through the comments of far too many posters here today.

I guess they'd rather we hate each other and cast senseless aspersions around like hand grenades.

"I love this country. I don't remember loving it or hoping more from it than today."

Tony, thank you for posting that.

Hans

Is there a picture of Barack with the caption "Can we bamboozle white liberals" right before the "Yes we can" caption?

101, I have been an Obama fan and supporter ever since the 2004 DNC Convention. His race has nothing to do with my support for him as I could care less about a person's heritage. I like his stance on Iraq, I like his transparency, and I respect his ability to unify people of all races, creeds and politics. I think it is easy for republicans and Hillary supporter to coin white support for Obama as "white guilt" as a means to diminish his supporters. However, I can honestly say I in no way feel guilty for my ardent and full support of a great man and a great politician.

I get the feeling that Cassius Clay just whupped Sonny Liston!

I'd wager most of the righties commenting in this thread didn't even see the speech, but they have opinions on it nonetheless.


Liberals are voting for Obama because he's solid on the issues, expansive in his view of this country, an inspirational speaker, a critic of the war, and a break from the divisive Bush/Clinton/Bush years. Among other reasons.

Posted by rcade


Well said.

The neandethals are out in force on this thread with comparisons to KKK, "white guilt", etc. Quite funny, in an ignorant, talking-point sort of way.

"I love this country. I don't remember loving it or hoping more from it than today."

It's a good thing a black person didn't say this.

"I love this country. I don't remember loving it or hoping more from it than today."

It's a good thing a black person didn't say this.


uhmm rob
he's retired

thus
former



afraid to listen cause you might be inspired?

Posted by klifferd


When I hear Obama saying he's his former pastor I see that as trying to distance himself. After all the ways that Obama has tied himself to Wright, I see no way Obama can sincerely state this man is ever his "former" anything. Maybe if he hadn't been married by him, maybe if he didn't baptize his kids, and maybe if he hadn't titled his book after a speech of his Obama could have distanced himself... but he has been walking side by side with this man for 20 years and now because he wants to be president he expects people to be fine with him just saying, he's my former pastor?

"he expects people to be fine with him just saying, he's my former pastor?"

Yes Rob, that's all he said in the entire 1/2 hour speech. Your single-mindedness is admirable.

brilliant, inspiring

spot-on

thank you Barack


"I love this country. I don't remember loving it or hoping more from it than today."

It's a good thing a black person didn't say this.



Does this mean anything?

What a load of crap on this thread. Obama was brilliant today, and I don't think the "average voter" in this country will ever even have a clue about it, since they'll only hear the right-wing spin and the media "summary" and characterization of what he said.

Rcade, not sure if it's just my computer, but this thread seems to have some technical issue re: the order of the posts...

"Oh my, he called me "dipshit." You're going to have to quit being so nice. A little of the ol butt secks real savage like may just be in order if you keep flattering me like that, big guy.

How many republicans have denounced the things she says in their name? How many republicans have denounced the crazy shit that the other crazy bastards on reich wing hate radio say to advance their cause?"
--NOGOV4ME


If you can't see the ignorance in comparing Obama plus his lifelong mentor Wright with a nameless Republican plus a talking head whose only relationship to the nameless Republican is that she is of the same party, then you've earned the title.

Midiman,

I agree with you regarding what Obama said today. It was an awesome speech. Positive, didn't run from anything, faced things square on. Those criticizing him are the same ones that say african Americans should take responsibility. They site Cosby. Yet Obama does that, points the finger squarely and they still deride.

My point in saying "it's a good thing a black person didn't say this" is that Sullivan says it and it's interpreted one way, yet if Michelle Obama, a black woman says "Fo the first time in my Adult lifetime, I am really proud of my Country" she gets pilloried.

"he expects people to be fine with him just saying, he's my former pastor?"

I Guess It Is The Same For All The Presidents That Still have Not Distanced Themselves From Rev Robertson For The Past 4 Decades Receive Advise And Seek His Grand Endorsement.

Famous moments with Pat Robertson

www.youtube.com

Wow, But He Get A White House Pass

-Sarge




For the first

I get the feeling that Cassius Clay just whupped Sonny Liston!

Posted by Mista Kurtz at 2008-03-18 12:27 PM | Reply

As a boxing fan, I like the reference.

However, it is a strange analogy in light of the current topic.

Please elaborate. I'm curious.

As a parent, I am very familiar with the resistance that can be met when you require your children to step beyond an eroneous limiting belief structure. All kinds of emotional responses can be evoked.

Barack and others ask us to step beyond a comfortable oversimplified mindset about race relations, its implications and the possibilities. It is high time we take on this challenge.

Some will not be on the active end of this endeavor but we will all benefit. Many naysayers here speak out of the fear of the unknown. They are not to be condemned no matter how vile or intentionally destructive their comments and actions are. They are to treated with care, patience, and resolute firmness just as a parent helps a child mature.

Shine a spotlight on black racism and see how fast the cockroaches scatter...

Barack Obama's church is scrambling to undo the impression it is a ministry for blacks only with a radical message. The Web site of the Trinity United Church of Christ has been purged of a section which spoke of the church's endorsement of -- "black ethics" that -- "must be taught and exemplified....wherever blacks are gathered."

Among those black ethics are "commitment to the black community, commitment to the black family, disavowal of the pursuit of middleclassness and allegiance to all black leadership who espouse and embrace the black value system."

The Media Research Center notes that in place of these words now are video clips from church members, including one from a white church official who said she feels at home at Trinity.


Obama's candidacy cannot achieve racial reconciliation. Obama sat in the pew for 20 years and did NOTHING to help heal racial divisions. If we want real change, we need to stop giving minorities a pass and start shining the light on their real activities.

I've been following politics for roughly 30 years and I have never, never been emotionally moved by anything any politician has ever said. I'm a cynic when it comes to politics and I think the history of my posts here would pretty much support that self analysis, lol.

When Obama started this speech with talk about the early days of the Constitution, my initial reaction was, here we go again, another politician trying to obfuscate the issues and play the CYA game. About five minutes into it, I felt a lump, a LUMP in my throat. I was choking up! I felt something totally foreign to me... it was... egads... pride.

I felt, this is a man I would really like to see representing the USA to the world.

What the hell is happening to me?

Obama took this issue on so directly, no soundbites, no double-speak, no accusations, no passing the buck, nothing that we all just expect to hear everytime a pol opens his or her flapping gums. I was more than impressed, and that's no easy thing to do.

Throw what you want at the man, it won't stick. He's got his flaws but you're not going to find the second-coming of Jesus in any candidate. I want this man to be president. Jeepers.

Obama is ALL words, Bella. A man who sits in the pew of his church shouting "AMEN!" to the racial diatribes of Rev. Wright has NO credibility on racial reconciliation. ACTIONS speak louder than words. Obama's all words with NOTHING to back them up.

I'm beginning to see a pattern. Maybe it's just me, but there's some people who ever before seemed as bigoted on this site as they do now.

Maybe since race is at the forefront of people's minds, they now feel like it's ok to show their true colors. Of course, we can't call them racists...


Obama is ALL words, Bella. A man who sits in the pew of his church shouting "AMEN!" to the racial diatribes of Rev. Wright has NO credibility on racial reconciliation. ACTIONS speak louder than words. Obama's all words with NOTHING to back them up.

Posted by Farmer_John


Do you pay attention at ALL? He says he wasn't there when those statements were made. I'm sure you expect all of us to take McLame on his word. I'd expect you to take Obama on his.

"Obama sat in the pew for 20 years and did NOTHING to help heal racial divisions."

you really have some deep down hatred...

you probably haven't heard a word he said

a quick skim of the speech and yer ready to hate on.

wow

what utter lack of care

gop is the only candidate for you
and thats the bottom line

you made up your mind the day you registered to vote as a republican. Even if Obama said everything you want to hear you would never know because he's a democrat.

wow

"Shine a spotlight on black racism and see how fast the cockroaches scatter..."

Wow Farmer... having a little attack of Johnsonitis? Because what you posted is completely false, except for the addition of the video by The Rev. Dr. Jane Fisler Hoffman. She's not just a "member", by the way, but the Conference Minister in charge of 287 UCC churches in Northern Illinois.

Other than that addition, all of the things that were there before are still there, including the sections on Black Liberation Theology, and Wright's talking points on Black Ethics.

Shame on you for perpetuating more lies.

www.tucc.org

Much like his mom, who chose to fuck a black man to piss off her parents ....

Posted by Walt at 2008-03-18 11:41 AM | Reply

Jeez, Walt.

That kind of viciousness leads me to believe this issue hits a little close to home with you.

How are your grandkids, Demetrius and LaShaunda, doing by the way?

So he's a NASCAR fan now?

Posted by shirtsbyeric

www.youtube.com

-Sarge

"Of course, we can't call them racists..."

i can

farmer john is mad because black people won't farm for him for free anymore

damn that emancipation proclimation

racist

and 101 is down right RACE IST
"Der was a nigga named Wright,
He had some words and they had some bite.
It gots nuttin to do with me,
Don't forget I'm half whitey,
put the focus back on hillary."

can't get anymore racist and stereotypical then that

ACTIONS speak louder than words. Obama's all words with NOTHING to back them up.

Doesn't Obama's life history speak for itself?

The short (wiki) version:

Born to a Kenyan father and an American mother, he spent most of his early life in Honolulu, Hawaii. From ages six to ten, he lived in Jakarta, Indonesia with his mother and Indonesian stepfather. A graduate of Columbia University and Harvard Law School, Obama worked as a community organizer, university lecturer, and civil rights lawyer before running for public office and serving in the Illinois Senate from 1997 to 2004. After an unsuccessful bid for a seat in the U.S. House of Representatives in 2000, he announced his campaign for U.S. Senate in 2003.

The following year, while still an Illinois state legislator, Obama delivered the keynote address at the 2004 Democratic National Convention.[4] He was elected to the U.S. Senate in November 2004 with 70% of the vote.[5] As a member of the Democratic minority in the 109th Congress, he co-sponsored bipartisan legislation for controlling conventional weapons and for promoting greater public accountability in the use of federal funds. He also made official trips to Eastern Europe, the Middle East, and Africa. In the current 110th Congress, he has sponsored legislation on lobbying and electoral fraud, climate change, nuclear terrorism, and care for returned U.S. military personnel.

Since announcing his presidential campaign in February 2007, Obama has emphasized ending the Iraq War, increasing energy independence, and providing universal health care as his top three priorities.[6] He married in 1992 and has two daughters. He has written two bestselling books: a memoir of his youth titled Dreams from My Father, and The Audacity of Hope, a personal commentary on U.S. politics.


A Black Abraham Lincoln, if you like.

Looks to me like he really did get out there and do something with his life.

Can you say the same Farmer John?



A man who sits in the pew of his church shouting "AMEN!" to the racial diatribes...

i think you are just making stuff up now...have you even ever listened to Obama speak?


Obama is ALL words, Bella. A man who sits in the pew of his church shouting "AMEN!" to the racial diatribes of Rev. Wright has NO credibility on racial reconciliation. ACTIONS speak louder than words. Obama's all words with NOTHING to back them up.

~Flamer John.

Wow, and Spud sometimes gets people to argue when Spud declares that the GOP are THE party of racial intolerance, homophobia, sexism, classism, inequity and any other forms of egregious hate you can possibly name.

Yer ten tons of FAIL in a 5 ton container, Johnny

Keep repeating your Big Lies, Lawnboy.

Maybe you believe them but you aint convincing anybody else but the "pointy hat/ pointyhead" crowd you came in with.

Reading all the right wing hate and dishonesty on this thread leads Spud to the conclusion that Jonathan Swift was correct when he advised folks...

"Never try to reason someone out of a position they were never reasoned into in the first place"

~J. Swift.

Strewth is that.

Be Well.

I doubt conservatives will ever change their mind. I doubt liberals will ever change their mind. We need two countries.
Posted by Buffalo_Bob

Hmmmmmmmmmm? You may be onto something.

Much like his mom, who chose to fuck a black man to piss off her parents ....

Posted by Walt


more racism

especially since his grandparents have already taken everything back since, that black man's genes have lead to our next president.

"Doesn't Obama's life history speak for itself? Posted by donnerboy"

NO!

Sincerely,

The Right & Corky

is this the same corky from "life goes on"

it all makes sense now

Listening to Obama talk about healing divisions and racial reconciliation is like listening to a whore talk about the virtues of marriage.

Doesn't Obama's life history speak for itself?

Posted by DonnerBOY

Yes it does speak for itself. It's nothing more than a "present" vote tinged with a controversial black pastor in order to give "B-Rock" some cred with the blackman. He saw how the black community reacts to succesful blacks and he wanted, no, needed their support.

He's a superficial candidate.

plantation john is your new name

and

"He saw how the black community reacts to succesful blacks and he wanted, no, needed their support."

racist

Looks to me like he really did get out there and do something with his life.

Yeah, he's got twenty years perfect attendance at Rev. Wright's weekly Klan meetings. Go 'bama!

Farmer Longs For The Good Old Days And Wants Wright Back On His Plantation

Slave Catchers/Resistors 10 - Reconstruction and Jim Crow

www.youtube.com

1960's Civil Rights Movement

www.youtube.com

The Lynching of Army Corporal John Jones

www.youtube.com

Things That Make You Say Hmmmmmmm

-Sarge

"Listening to Obama talk..." Posted by Farmer_John

What, no comment on the little falsehood you posted a few minutes ago? I guess we probably shouldn't pay a lot of attention to your "opinions" when you get the facts completely wrong, huh?

"the GOP are THE party of racial intolerance"
--DETHSPUD


Nevermind that much of the racial tensions associated with Obama's campaign have been given the spotlight by Clinton and her Democrat supporters, while McCain is out there defending Obama's ties to the reverenend.

Klitfur,
You can quit pretending to be outraged (and a middle eastern mutt for that matter).
Having some anonymous douche call me a racist has absolutely no bearing on what I post. In fact it makes me happy to know that some douche pretending not to be an american is upset by my needling of an American Presidential contender.

A man who sits in the pew of his church shouting "AMEN!" to the racial diatribes of Rev. Wright

Were you there sitting right next to him?

Then you have no idea what he did or said now do you?

Just another right wing racist idiot.

He's a superficial candidate.

Posted by 101Chairborne at 2008-03-18 01:49 PM


Do you mean to say there is no Obama under all that Obama?

So let me get this straight..there is not really a Black Man named Obama that lived his life in such a way that he could actually become President of the United States of America.

He is a fake Black Man?

Is he that kind of "superficial" ?



"Which search words should I use?

Cheers,
Walt

Posted by Walt at 2008-03-18 12:21 PM"

Try "Walt Is A Pole Smoker." You'll get millions of hits.

"Listening to Obama talk about healing divisions and racial reconciliation is like listening to a whore talk about the virtues of marriage.

Posted by Farmer_John"

Just my opinion, of course, but you should insist on more action and less talking for your $20. But you do whatever you want.

What, no comment on the little falsehood you posted a few minutes ago?

Which one would that be? That Rev. Wright was a racist or that Obama knew he was a racist. Because both aren't falsehoods.

"Just another right wing racist idiot.

Posted by 726 at 2008-03-18 01:57 PM"

With the emphasis on idiot.

Just my opinion, of course, but you should insist on more action and less talking for your $20. But you do whatever you want.

Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2008-03-18 01:58 PM | Reply | Flag

= FF!

for $20 they usually have their mouth too full to talk...so I have heard...

If Obama can't heal the racial divisions in his own church, what makes you believe he can heal the country?

The guy's record is NOT one of a unifier. It's one of M'LKing the divisions.

"What, no comment on the little falsehood you posted a few minutes ago?"

"Which one would that be?

Posted by Farmer_John at 2008-03-18 02:00 PM"

Lol. There's so many.

"Which one would that be?"

I guess you've posted too many falsehoods to keep track anymore, but the one I was referring to was your post about how Trinity UCC is "scrambling" to change their image, and "scrubbing" their website.

False.

1. Do you mean to say there is no Obama under all that Obama?

2. So let me get this straight..there is not really a Black Man named Obama that lived his life in such a way that he could actually become President of the United States of America.

3. He is a fake Black Man?


4. Is he that kind of "superficial" ?

Posted by donnerboy at 2008-03-18 01:58 PM | Reply | Flag


1. Exactly. Smoke and mirrors, and you lemmings are hooked.
2. Well, a half black man to be precise. And if you call 3 years of Senate experience living life, then you're as simple as I assumed. "Present" votes, and repeating "hope" and "change" is weak.
3. Already covered. 1/2 black.
4. Yes, that kind of superficial. "Hope" and "Change" may work for President of the High School class (or for the Dem primary) because simple fucks are easy to sway.


Plagarizing positions isn't going to help him.

1010
hahah
" (and a middle eastern mutt for that matter)."
"pretending not to be an american"

more racism

i'm american
or as you and yer boy king george the II say
"amurcun"

and i have no middle eastern heritage
thanks again :)

i'm sorry you are a racist
and your uninformed
and to top it all off scared that the racist america of your dreams and hopes is dying.

"If Obama can't heal the racial divisions in his own church, what makes you believe he can heal the country?"

yea
cause obama is a paster
:)

keep trying there plantation boy


If Obama can't heal the racial divisions in his own church, what makes you believe he can heal the country?

The guy's record is NOT one of a unifier. It's one of M'LKing the divisions.

Posted by Farmer_John


Not to infringe on your right to make a fool of yourself on the internet, but does Newsmax have discussion threads? I'm sure you'll find more racist garbage to share your ideas and dreams of a white America with over yonder.

I was referring to was your post about how Trinity UCC is "scrambling" to change their image, and "scrubbing" their website.

You mean the article posted in the MSM. Yeah, I'm sure that's probably false. You know those MSM guys, THEY never vet anything. LOL!

superficial. "Hope" and "Change" may work for President of the High School class (or for the Dem primary) because simple fucks are easy to sway.

and you can say this after 8 years of Bush?

I do wonder who the "simple fuck" really is here...

donner
thats cause bush brought dispair and more of the same

hope and change don't exist in 101's vocabulary anymore

how bout this 101 read a little bit about america's history... you'll see those words all over the place.. maybe it will jog your memory.

"You mean the article posted in the MSM. Yeah, I'm sure that's probably false."

It IS false dear Farmer, as the link to the website I posted clearly shows. You know - the link to the very information that you claimed had been "scrubbed" from it.

Heck, even Bill Kristol apologized for being a dupe for a false news story. Surely you're at least as big a man as Bill - right?

Oh...

LOL

I've said this about the Dems for almost a year, and nothing today managed to change the dynamic:

Nominate Obama, and Obama wins.

Nominate Hillary, and McCain wins.

Simple as that.

Just MHO here, but I think the prospect of actually having a black president is scaring the crazies out of the woodwork.

Hey Klufford,

Who do you think has take more chinese donations, Hillbillary or McCain?

haha
ddenton
evidence clearly shows that your opinion is probably fact. :)

jmfj

who do you think will borrow more money from china for the trillion dollar war

obama, hillary, or mccain

donations are them giving money for free

but us borrowing money means we have to pay them "interest" maybe you've heard of it, you have a bank account right?

It IS false dear Farmer, as the link to the website I posted clearly shows

Your link doesn't "clearly show" squat. It doesn't show what's been editted and changed.

Wake up and smell the coffee SARogue. Obama's political career is now toast... burnt toast!

how bout this 101 read a little bit about america's history... you'll see those words all over the place.. maybe it will jog your memory.

Posted by klifferd at 2008-03-18 02:14 PM


so right on!


Is everyone watching John Adams on HBO?

Awesome stuff! I recommend you start there Chairpoodle!

I love it that John Adams defended the British soldiers at the Boston Massacre....I think there is a lesson about Gitmo in there...there are a LOT of lessons in there!

Can I get an AMEN?


Great speech. Obama's candidacy speaks to history. Whether it ends in the White House remains to be seen, but I have to think that this speech will stand as a watershed moment in American politics -- one of the things we'll most remember from this time.

Posted by rcade


wow...

Okay can we do a drudge poll...

You're face to face with Barack Obama, he takes it out... how many of you just start sucking the hell out of it?

"Obama's political career is now toast... burnt toast!"
more racism from a plantation boy


and donnerboy
yes!
amazing!

So ... .if I understand O-Ba-Ma Char-La-Tan corectly, he's telling us:

HE learned to be a uniter and transcend racial divisiveness by embracing and choosing as mentor a hate-mongering, anti-American spewing, race-baiting monster ... and if - only if! - we not-quite-guilt-ridden-enough (implied: WHITE) Americans would just "get with the victim program," we could all just get along after we give all our money to fund all sorts of Federal goodies for all those other victims.

Well. Let me think about this profoundly.OK. Enough time. What a load of crap!

I can only pray that the American public, should they be given the choice in November, reject this charlatan.



Found this comment on another site and thought it summed things up pretty well.

"hate-mongering, anti-American spewing, race-baiting monster"

talking about yourself again anamerican that hates

Since this was nothing but a damn campaign speech by Obamie if I were Hillary or McCain I'd be calling for all the networks that aired this to give my campaign equal time.

Most of them won't carry Bush when he speaks because they don't agree with him and he looks like a chimp, but they all roll over and give special priviledge to Obama because he's halfricanamerican.

Don't roll over for this shit Hillary and McCain. Demand your equal free campaign time.

And it's way past time for ABC,CBS,NBC to start covering Bush's speech's.

The bias in this media is utterly disgusting.

"Your link doesn't "clearly show" squat. Posted by Farmer John"

Oh, but it does my dear Farmer. You said...

"Among those black ethics are "commitment to the black community, commitment to the black family, disavowal of the pursuit of middleclassness and allegiance to all black leadership who espouse and embrace the black value system."

The Media Research Center notes that in place of these words now are video clips from church members, including one from a white church official who said she feels at home at Trinity."

And yet everything you claimed had been "purged" from the website is right here on this page - where it's always been.

www.tucc.org

But we all thank you for proving that whatever credibility you imagined you had was purely that . . . imaginary.


Okay can we do a drudge poll...

You're face to face with Barack Obama, he takes it out... how many of you just start sucking the hell out of it?

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole


Wow Rob. How desperate and out of material do you have to be to fall back on crap like this?

Change is coming Princess...

krisp

i watched a press conference with hillary today on my lunch break

they gave her the same amount of time.

mccain doesn't need the time yet
cause he's already the nominee

we have a few months before we hear about him again...

unless he can keep himself interesting. which i doubt.

and you can say this after 8 years of Bush?

I do wonder who the "simple fuck" really is here...

Posted by donnerboy at 2008-03-18 02:11 PM | Reply |


This is why you guys are so easy to peg as dumb-fucks...
Bush was bad, even terrible, so some how that means you should buy in to some rhetoric about hope and change without any fucking substance? Besides, what does Bush have to do with how you simple fuckers are being bamboozeled by a slick talking religious nut?

"Oh look, he's black and non-threatening, let's vote for him and show the world we're enlightened! Goodie!"

Rob,
After reading this thread I'm positive that if Obama whipped it out there would be the biggest bitch fight in the world over who got it first. Taxman and Rcade would be the most aggressive, and Danni would be last.

Everyone keeps talking abaout "whitey" not understanding the "black culture" or the "black experience" is this the culture that ties to defend raising puppies to fight each other to the death, is this the culture that won't tell the cops about murderers and criminals who terrorize their neighborhoods because that would be snitching, is this the same culture that lets a black man off for murder becuase he killed white people (OJ Simpson). is this the same culture that says Violent , anti-woman rap music is just "a reflection of their community" is this the same culture that says it is oky to hate you country in church because it is the truth as we see it..If that is your culture, you and your culture can GO TO HELL

Ireland's Black Mayor


PORTLAOISE, Ireland - As revelers worldwide celebrate St. Patrick's Day with a pint of Guinness, dyed-green milk or visions of red-bearded leprechauns, it's a good bet that few of them will have Rotimi Adebari in mind.

But, for those seeking an authentic vision of today's Ireland, perhaps they should.

The election last year of Nigerian-born Adebari as mayor of Portlaoise is the most prominent manifestation of the changes sweeping this island, which is rapidly evolving from a land of emigration into one of immigration, where at least 1 in 10 people is foreign-born.

www.msnbc.msn.com

Why Can't We Just Get Along......

-Sarge

inWhat an utter bunch of dullards.

This guy's pastor says it's all Americas fault, from the pilgrims to Hiroshima.

In Obama's speech today he basically says the same crap (read it) and you guys are ready to give him the keys to the mansion so that he can surrender to islam by pulling all the troops and then completely finish breaking this country with massive more entitlements on top of the entitlements we already can't pay for.

Oh, that's right. Kavorkian is going to congress so we can kill all the old codgers and we won't need medicare anymore.

Fools.

He won't win in the general. Enjoy your delusions before reality sets in in November.

I got some news for Barak Obama, If you say you didn't know what you preacher said yesterday and today you said you did, that's called lying!

from the looks of the above posts....them righties is skkkkkeeeeerrrred of Obama!!!
When will they start calling him gay???

It's only lying when a white republican does such a thing. Scooter Libby comes to mind as recent.

Democrats are expected to lie. The ends always justify the means.

The bigot preacher man said that hillary doesnt know how it feels to be called a nigger.

Obama doenst know what its like to be called a cunt.

The Advisor To Presidents For 4 Decades :

Pat Robertson on Karate: Avoid "Inhaling Demon Spirits"

www.youtube.com

Pat Robertson on Conspiracy to Abort Blacks (2006)

www.youtube.com

Pat Robertson Says God Told Him Of 2007 Mass Terror Attack

www.youtube.com


We Must All Be Living In The Matrix Since It Is 18 March 2008.

-Sarge

I've read thru most of these posts here and I watched the entire speech he made and I think the main point is being missed by his supporters here. That is, does he truly expect America to believe that he somehow missed these racist and radical teachings of his pastor over 20 years?

The speech was fantastic and I can easily see why so many are behind the guy, but why did it take so long for him to feel the need to squash it politically? He was willing to let this go on why, because he truly does hold the same beliefs as his pastor? I don't know, but he sure did let it go on a while, seemingly in the hopes that it would just go away. Well, it isn't going away at all I can assure anyone of that.

Was Obabma unaware of the visit his pastor made to Lybia with Farrakhan to meet with Qaddaifi? It seems rather unlikely that this wouldn't be highly touted amidst the church's weekly periodicals. The point is that I just don't see how Obama wasn't aware of the guys beliefs and neither does most of America.

This guy's pastor says it's all Americas fault, from the pilgrims to Hiroshima.

Posted by Kris_P_Bacon at 2008-03-18 02:50 PM


So when America Fucks Up ... who's fault is it? Who should we blame it on? The French?


"When will they start calling him gay???

Posted by danni"

Oh we passed that point a while back Danni when they tried to bring up that YouTube video where some guy claimed he did drugs and had gay sex with Obama in the back of a Taxi.

Of course not being all that interested in the truth, they neglected to mention that the guy failed 2 lie detector tests about 3-4 weeks ago.

I've read thru most of these posts here and I watched the entire speech he made and I think the main point is being missed by his supporters here. That is, does he truly expect America to believe that he somehow missed these racist and radical teachings of his pastor over 20 years?

The speech was fantastic and I can easily see why so many are behind the guy, but why did it take so long for him to feel the need to squash it politically? He was willing to let this go on why, because he truly does hold the same beliefs as his pastor? I don't know, but he sure did let it go on a while, seemingly in the hopes that it would just go away. Well, it isn't going away at all I can assure anyone of that.

Was Obabma unaware of the visit his pastor made to Lybia with Farrakhan to meet with Qaddaifi? It seems rather unlikely that this wouldn't be highly touted amidst the church's weekly periodicals. The point is that I just don't see how Obama wasn't aware of the guys beliefs and neither does most of America.

I've read thru most of these posts here and I watched the entire speech he made and I think the main point is being missed by his supporters here. That is, does he truly expect America to believe that he somehow missed these racist and radical teachings of his pastor over 20 years?

The speech was fantastic and I can easily see why so many are behind the guy, but why did it take so long for him to feel the need to squash it politically? He was willing to let this go on why, because he truly does hold the same beliefs as his pastor? I don't know, but he sure did let it go on a while, seemingly in the hopes that it would just go away. Well, it isn't going away at all I can assure anyone of that.

Was Obabma unaware of the visit his pastor made to Lybia with Farrakhan to meet with Qaddaifi? It seems rather unlikely that this wouldn't be highly touted amidst the church's weekly periodicals. The point is that I just don't see how Obama wasn't aware of the guys beliefs and neither does most of America.

Good speech but I dont know if it was his best speech ever. Personaly I think the speach after the S.C win was better. I did like the part where he spoke about the white women breaking the glass ceiling. Is he secretly hoping the Hillary wins this thing ...... (joking)

Not one of you is getting to the rub of it.

Osama is both black and white.

were we all unaware of the visits bush and cheney made to the bin ladens??

didn't stop yall righties from voting for bush...
twice

coming up on 3 times

kinda like this
mwcnews.net

"This guy's pastor says it's all Americas fault, from the pilgrims to Hiroshima."

Posted by Kris_P_Bacon

God continues to lift the curtain and allow the enemies of America to give us probably what we deserve.
As quoted in "God Gave US 'What We Deserve,' Falwell Says" by John F Harris, in The Washington Post (14 September 2001)


The ACLU's got to take a lot of blame for this.
On responses to the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, as quoted in AANEWS #958 (14 September 2001) and at Positive Atheism
Pat, did you notice yesterday the ACLU, and all the Christ-haters, People For the American Way, NOW, etc. were totally disregarded by the Democrats and the Republicans in both houses of Congress as they went out on the steps and called out on to God in prayer and sang "God Bless America" and said "let the ACLU be hanged"? In other words, when the nation is on its knees, the only normal and natural and spiritual thing to do is what we ought to be doing all the time -- calling upon God.
On responses to the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, as quoted in AANEWS #958 (14 September 2001)
And, I know that I'll hear from them for this. But, throwing God out successfully with the help of the federal court system, throwing God out of the public square, out of the schools. The abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked. And when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad. I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People for the American Way -- all of them who have tried to secularize America -- I point the finger in their face and say "you helped this happen.
Remarks to Pat Robertson after the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks on The 700 Club (13 September 2001)

Oh I Have A Million Of Them.....

-Sarge

how bout this one

www.oilempire.us

one of those guys is a bin laden.


nice

"He was willing to let this go on why, because he truly does hold the same beliefs as his pastor? Posted by everlong "


"But I do know Sen. Obama. He does not share those views." - John McCain

what a crock of political shit
was how I was going to start off and then I just read the post by killferd and obamas pales in comparison.

but anyway

the quotes he read from the book onpage 294 were all goody goody feel good stuff and thats okay but ACCORDING TO RELIABLE SOURCES on PAGE 293 were all about the greed of the white man and more seperatists, rascists hate speech and this is from the sermon that barry obama says was the sermon that ispired him to join this church.......
please explain that mister obama.
and maybe he can give a nice little talk about the rezko stuff when he gets a chance.

and remember when bush spoke at bob jones U or was it someone else..doesnt matter because the left here and in the media called it a meeting with the devil himslef but I guess the TWENTY YEAR mentorship of this race baiting, class warmongering, hatefull excuse for a pastor really doesnt count.
this will hurt him in november......but you know me, I dont make predictions.

from the looks of the above posts....them righties is skkkkkeeeeerrrred of Obama!!!
When will they start calling him gay???

Posted by danni at 2008-03-18 02:55 PM | Reply |

bingo. verrrry ascared indeed...grasping at straws i'd say. angry old white men trying to ignite racial divide as their world goes topsy turvy, cause a man that isn't white might make it to the...white house...and the guy they've got to offer has more experience than obama, but it's all related to failure... and to top it off, more often than not, the senile old fuck has to "explain" what he meant after talking to the media... hell, I'd be pissed as well.


Pssst, Sarge-

When you keep trying to deflect to Robertson/Falwell/Evangelical Kook Du Jour and no one responds, its a pretty good sign that no one is reading your posts or thinks that they add to the discussion.

Especially when you triple post.

pancho........its obvious that you havent heard any of the rascists sermons of obamas mentor and spirit guide or whatever the hell he was...,maybe you should listen to what obama has been listening to for 20 years......
but you probably have and you just dont give a shit if you think it will mean a dem is in the white house or thats what it seems like anyway.
there is a clear cut double standard that cannot be denied...example....the bob jones U speech and anytime a religious leader supports a republican, we are told that this means the politician will try and make everyone into a jesus freak, hard core follower but HERE....oh its okay......dont worry about it...those 20 years of obama standing up and cheering like all the others when listening to this racial war monger .....thats okay.....he's obama and he has struggled..........sure.....

When McCain makes more sense than the wingnuts, what's this nation coming to?

Talk about your loose screws. Most of these posts show nary a thread of logic whatsoever amongst all the angst and vitriole.

Was this his best speech ever? If you required an answer to that, then I would say of course it was. This is the only speech Obama has given that mattered to every American. The content of this speech effects us all; the closet racist, the negro that wears his hatred on his sleeve, the chinese man that thinks all blacks steal, the Latinos that think all whites are gringos. It is sad to see how America has not come as far as we pretend it has. It is high time that we begin to address race head on in this country. So, instead of waiting until dinner tonight to call that black guy at work a nigger for getting the promotion you thought you deserved, listen to what Obama says and confront your thoughts head on. It's not the black guy you should be upset with but more so yourself for failing you.

At work I have a white guy that I can't stand and I spoke with him about my concerns. He called me a racist as well but rather than get upset, I asked him why he felt that way. I further explained to him why I had problems with him and my explanation was right on the lines of racism but through the eyes of sterotypical thinking. To me this guy wants what he feels all middle aged white men should have; the wife, the house, the BMW, the stocks, the great abs, the social network full of portfolio holders, the whole nine yards. He comes off as if he is entitled and he sometimes seemingly works to make others feels that they are less than he is. Who else generally thinks this way but white Americans?

Our differences are just that, differences. But the long term ramifications of a continued stalemate is to further accept where we are, a nation of closet racist wishing for failures amongts each other, and not wishing for parents to tell someday tell their babies, little Mikey, don't you ever say that about another race again becuase it's just not true.

"This guy's pastor says it's all Americas fault, from the pilgrims to Hiroshima."

Posted by Kris_P_Bacon


"If you're not a born-again Christian, you're a failure as a human being."

-Jerry Falwell (1933 - 2007)

His message of peace and reconciliation under almost all circumstances is simply incompatible with Christian teachings as I interpret them. This 'turn the other cheek' business is all well and good but it's not what Jesus fought and died for. What we need to do is take the battle to the Muslim heathens and do unto them before they do unto us.

-Jerry Falwell (1933 - 2007) Jimmy Carter in a radio interview on (4 March 2002).


"Just like what Nazi Germany did to the Jews, so liberal America is now doing to the evangelical Christians. It's no different. It is the same thing. It is happening all over again. It is the Democratic Congress, the liberal-based media and the homosexuals who want to destroy the Christians. Wholesale abuse and discrimination and the worst bigotry directed toward any group in America today. More terrible than anything suffered by any minority in history." (Interview with Molly Ivins)

-Pat Robertson

"You say you're supposed to be nice to the Episcopalians and the Presbyterians and the Methodists and this, that, and the other thing. Nonsense, I don't have to be nice to the spirit of the Antichrist."

- Pat Robertson, The 700 Club, January 14, 1991

Yeah But These Guys Are So Loved And Get A White House Pass

-Sarge

were we all unaware of the visits bush and cheney made to the bin ladens??

didn't stop yall righties from voting for bush...
twice


You're missing the point, Klifferd. Obama is running on being the guy who can heal the divide in race relations in this country. That is what his whole speech today turned into. If that is the case, then it is a very valid question to ask, does he intend to do so in the manner in which he has been taught and in the same fashion as those he connects himself to?

In other words, does he hold ANY of the hateful views towards white America that his pastor does? Does he plan on fighting the race issue in the fashion of Farrakhan? These are valid questions for the media or the right or anyone to ask. But people like yourself want it to be a non issue so you deflect it with your, "yeah, but what about Bush" comments.

Newsflash, Obama isn't Bush and Bush isn't running.

Trying to remember if my pastor has ever said "g-damn", used the n-word, or made humping motions during a sermon.....

Nope

This was an incredible speech - I've completed reading it.

I'd like to see Hillary or McCain give a speech like this.

Heck, they probably could write one this good.

People heckled Bush for his lack of public speaking and said that was one of Reagan's strengths.

Well, Obama has Oration under his belt.

He answered many questions and he hit the race divided people of America under every color.

We are one people with one country and we deserve crap when we crap on ourselves and our brethren.

Obama really does sound like some very famous speakers.

JFK, MLK, Lincoln. This speech defines him very well.

Impressed? Perhaps not enought for some for presidental issues, but daresay he's more intelligent than several of the last Presidents?

The man answered tough questions. I don't think Hillary or McCain would ever have touched the issues he did, they way he did, with the believeable feeling as he has shown here.

I have no party affiliation. I think they both need replacement. But, I would rather side with a hopeful future - especially after the futures on Wall Street.

"In other words, does he hold ANY of the hateful views towards white America that his pastor does? Does he plan on fighting the race issue in the fashion of Farrakhan?"

I guess the place to start would be to examine whether any of his public actions or pronouncements have indicated that those views were his own? I think the answer is no.

Do any policies he has advocated, bills he has voted for, stands he has taken indicate that he holds those views? Again, I think the answer is no.

Have any of his colleagues in Illinois or Washington accused him of, or even hinted at him holding such views. No.

So unless you are prepared to argue that he is some sort of "Manchurian Candidate" I think you are way off base.

"This is the only speech Obama has given that mattered to every American."

Not this one...I knew months ago I wouldn't vote for him, but simply because he's way too far left for me. Consequently, it wouldn't matter what he said in his speech, I still wouldn't be voting for him.
As far as condoning bigotry, No one is worse than minorities such as Wright and his parishoners. It seems none of them (except maybe Oprah, who left his church long ago) voted with their feet or confronted him on some of those issues.

"...we are, a nation of closet racist wishing for failures amongts each other, and not wishing for parents to tell someday tell their babies, little Mikey, don't you ever say that about another race again becuase it's just not true."

Little Mikey could certainly benefit from some proper raising, and so could little Jamal. I doubt that any children associated with Wright's congregation are getting any "tolerance" training. They're sure indoctrinated with how the "white man" invented AIDS to kill them though.

Obama is running on being the guy who can heal the divide in race relations in this country. That is what his whole speech today turned into. If that is the case, then it is a very valid question to ask, does he intend to do so in the manner in which he has been taught and in the same fashion as those he connects himself to?

or should he heal the divide by just ignoring it? You can't heal a divide without confronting it.

I would say he is doing fine so far...stay tuned 22 April is a long news cycle away...

Especially when you triple post.


If you look at Ever's it was the Website not me that cause the Triple post.

No "Deflection" just facts and the Question is "Why" no Bloody Out Cry from Other Clergyman ?

Wright Has not made statements like this:

"If I could just get a nuclear device inside Foggy Bottom, I think that's the answer." (talking about the United States State Department)

- Pat Robertson, The 700 Club

So to all of you these Clergyman with "Millions of Followers" statements have been made for "42 Years" thier endorsements have been sort after and they have "Supported and Advised" at least "3 Presidents" but they are "OK" and nothing to be Upset About.

-Sarge

"This was an incredible speech - I've completed reading it."

Petrous - I recommend you watch the video if you get a chance. I agree the speech is impressive to read, but you get an even better perspective if you listen to him deliver it.

" I recommend you watch the video if you get a chance."

Does anybody have a link to the full speech?

Trying to remember if my pastor has ever said "g-damn", used the n-word, or made humping motions during a sermon.....

Nope

Posted by anamerican at 2008-03-18 03:42 PM


you got one of them boring pastors huh?

have you ever been in a "black" church in all its glory?...not even like the quiet (boring) "white" churches...even when they are "rocking to the Lord"...

Honestly, if I was a church person I would rather go the black church...Elvis Presley liked them better too, obviously, are you saying the King had bad taste?


Do you elect the short-experience US Senator with YEARS of experience is the State Legislature?

Do you elect the short-experience US Senator with no years prior in any governing capacity with bad decisions in those short years?

Do you elect the long-experience US Senator with many years of proven bad decisions in writing bills?

The so-called least experienced one has more than Hillary. It's Obama. He doesn't have as many years of McCain, but McCain has spent his time making many serious mistakes in Congress. Iran would be next.

"They're sure indoctrinated with how the "white man" invented AIDS to kill them though."

Posted by jestgettinalong

Well It Is Not Like Some Shit Like It Never Happened Before To Bring It Into Question !

Remembering Tuskegee
Syphilis Study Still Provokes Disbelief, Sadness
July 25, 2002 --Thirty years ago today, the Washington Evening Star newspaper ran this headline on its front page: "Syphilis Patients Died Untreated." With those words, one of America's most notorious medical studies, the Tuskegee Syphilis Study, became public.

"For 40 years, the U.S. Public Health Service has conducted a study in which human guinea pigs, not given proper treatment, have died of syphilis and its side effects," Associated Press reporter Jean Heller wrote on July 25, 1972. "The study was conducted to determine from autopsies what the disease does to the human body."

The next morning, every major U.S. newspaper was running Heller's story. For Morning Edition, NPR's Alex Chadwick reports on how the Tuskegee experiment was discovered after 40 years of silence.

The Public Health Service, working with the Tuskegee Institute, began the study in 1932. Nearly 400 poor black men with syphilis from Macon County, Ala., were enrolled in the study. They were never told they had syphilis, nor were they ever treated for it. According to the Centers for Disease Control, the men were told they were being treated for "bad blood," a local term used to describe several illnesses, including syphilis, anemia and fatigue.

www.npr.org

-Sarge

"Face it, this speech will turn around all this negativity towards Obama. He met the critics head-on and explained all of his positions. The way he talks, the way he looks at the camera with his searing brown and expressive eyes, you know he is talking right to you. As he lifts his chin, and licks his lip every so gently, I can almost feel the heat of his breath on my neck as I imagine myself sliding my handf up under his shirt and running my hand over his brawny coffee-colored ches...Unnnnnggghhh!! Oh...Oh God, I seem to have made a mess of myself. I need to grab some Kleenex and get cleaned up. I'll be back later..."


FF for MANYPATHS

"Does anybody have a link to the full speech?"

www.barackobama.com

All in all it was a very good speech. And I'm a political sceptic when it comes to "messiahs". All in all this thread is one of disappointment imho. Our divisions are many and perpetuated by the sentiments and beliefs that righties are racist (so many "lefties" state and believe)...and lefties are apologist, hence racist in their own right (so many "righties" state and believe), etc and the DR is so prejudicial with those statements throughout.

These issues (prejudice of many kinds)start and get fixed one, by one with improvements generation by generation and by each of our own honest personal reflections and assessments done one at a time.

I live in the most polarized city in the nation and it is amazing that it is NOT difficult to break through and past stereotyping (prejudice) to work for betterment, one person (first yourself), then consideration to move others, one at a time.

Obama is to be commended for his direct approach to our realities.

I said sometime ago on the DR. If Hillary wins the Dem nomination, in a Dem election that should be an impossible election to lose, it will be lost by the Dems. I also stated that if Obama wins their will be a landslide coming in the fall. Still my belief.

Through all of this, I just have to wonder...how many of Wright's sermons did Obama's little girls sit through? Did they get the "God DAMN America" part? Were they told that the "white man" invented aids to kill them?? What was Michelle teaching them before "the first time in her life she was proud of America?" What questions might those little girls have asked Michelle...and Obama...and what kind of answers did they receive? I don't think Michelle told them that Wright's sermons were BS and should be ignored...do you? Did Obama tell them that "Uncle Jeremiah was just a silly old man?" Ya' gotta wonder...

I guess the place to start would be to examine whether any of his public actions or pronouncements have indicated that those views were his own? I think the answer is no.

Do any policies he has advocated, bills he has voted for, stands he has taken indicate that he holds those views? Again, I think the answer is no.

Have any of his colleagues in Illinois or Washington accused him of, or even hinted at him holding such views. No.

So unless you are prepared to argue that he is some sort of "Manchurian Candidate" I think you are way off base.

Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2008-03-18 03:45 PM |

If those are valid reasons to disbelieve then certainly his affiliation with this pastor is good enough reason to believe. Have you heard this guy preach? Have you heard what his beliefs are? Obama saw a good reason to attend this church for 20 years and now he can see no good reason to denounce the pastor. Obama is going to get tripped up by this big time whether you think he is or not. The sounbites have already started and they will continue. This is not good for Obama, no matter how good his speech was.


Does anybody have a link to the full speech?

Posted by nullifidian at 2008-03-18 03:54 PM


www.msnbc.msn.com

just click on the video n the article...

get a cup o tea first and get comfy...

Thanks, SanAn and Donnerboy.

"I also stated that if Obama wins their will be a landslide coming in the fall. Still my belief."

I think he'll still win the nomination, but it's gonna be a real dog fight. However the general election is another matter and it's very unlikely to be a landslide in either regard. This episode has hurt Obama and anyone with half a brain should know that. Those that think his speech is gonna solve everthing are deluding themselves.

Obama isn't a bad person...he's not the Second Coming either. He's just a politician...like all the OTHER politicians except that he's more charismatic than most and an excellent public speaker. Underneath it all...he's still just a politician and probably not deserving of all this fainting and drooling.

The last time I remember things like this was when JFK was running. (He didn't win by a landslide either. In fact, he lost the popular vote and many say should have lost the election as a result of fraud in Chicago. I liked him, I voted for him. But, that's all another topic.) We discovered sometime later that Kennedy was, after all, not the Second Coming, and just a politician with warts also. I suspect we will discover some of the warts on Obama as well.

bl2..."its obvious that you havent heard any of the rascists sermons of obamas mentor and spirit guide or whatever the hell he was...,"""

He's now distanced himself from him, which is more than boy dunder can claim about his pariah, pat robertson. In any case, the pastor's comments are provocative, but there is a basis of truth in what he says...white collar crime vs. three strikes, chicken coming home to roost on 911, etc., I guess that's why it pisses some people off so much.

When you think that Obama has reached new heights, you find out he's capable of even more:

This wasn't a speech by committee... Obama wrote the speech himself, working on it for two days and nights.... and showed it to only a few of his top advisers.

marcambinder.theatlantic.com

Awesome....

"He didn't win by a landslide either. In fact, he lost the popular vote ..."

Sorry, but that's not a "fact":

Popular vote:

JFK: 34,220,984
RMN: 34,108,157

In the national popular vote Kennedy beat Nixon by just one tenth of one percentage point (0.1%) - the closest popular-vote margin of the twentieth century.
Hans

This is not good for Obama, no matter how good his speech was.

You see what you want to see and hear what you want to hear. The Republican nominee, John McCain said that Obama is not Rev. Wright, but you choose to believe what the majority have already learned isn't real.

Obama will be judged on his own merits, not on his affilliation with what someone else said. Wright's given thousands of speeches, but only a snippet from a few have brought down the scorn of those looking for anything they can to throw against Obama's candidacy? Read his sermon on the Audacity of Hope and tell me just how his soaring words divide instead of unite all of us under the majesty of our Creator.

What America now sees is a man at peace within his skin and intimately cognizant of where and who he is, as it regards the issue of race in this nation. He wants to move beyond our checkered past, and the ignorant would instead chose to wallow in its misery. America is not as stupid as those targeting Obama believe. Look at the crowds. Look at the money, all coming from over a million individuals of every race, creed and ethnic heritage. These are the voices of change that will not remain silent any longer.

The change has already occured and the ignorant stupidly try to drag the unwilling back into their chains. Sorry, those chains are broken forever to those who understand the complexity of race in America. We will not be bound by ignorance and intolerance any longer. We are free, even if we have to listen to the desparate cries of our former captors trying to bring the horses back into the barn because they don't want to share equality. Some have never wanted to share equality because they view it to mean their days as masters are finished, even if its only rhetorical.

It is over. Freedom has won, hallelujah!

"Sorry, but that's not a "fact":"

Maybe...lots of opinions...Francis Russel writes in the New York Review of Books:

"Given the Byzantine intricacies of Alabama politics, it is indeed possible that Nixon's popular vote may have slightly exceeded Kennedy's in that close election. Whereas in most states in a presidential election voters are given a single slate of Republican or Democratic electors to check off, Alabama Democratic voters could choose or reject individually from the list of electors, eleven separate choices. There must have been considerable vote-splitting in 1960, for an anti-Kennedy elector topped the list with 324,050 votes, trailed by a pro-Kennedy with 318,303 votes. This latter figure the Congressional Quarterly gives as the total Alabama Kennedy vote. The difference between the "anti" and the "pro," the Quarterly tabulates as "Other." The "Others" then, with some six thousand votes, take six electors whereas the Republicans with thirty times that total get no electors at all. This, as Professor Tullock points out, is an absurdity.

There is no tabulating the vote exactly, but for a reasonable approximation one can divide 318,303 by eleven, multiply it by five for the pro-Kennedys and by six for the anti-Kennedys. The Kennedy Alabama total would then be 144,685 instead of the Quarterly's given 318,303. If we then deduct the 179,838 anti-Kennedy Alabama votes from the national total then Nixon did have a final 64,165 vote plurality in the 68,828,960 votes cast.


And John Fund wrote in 2003...

"The Democratic slate defeated Nixon, 324,050 votes to 237,981. In the end, the six unpledged electors voted for Sen. Harry Byrd of Virginia, a leading Dixiecrat, and the other five stuck with their pledge to Kennedy. When the Associated Press at the time counted up the popular vote from all 50 states it listed all the Democratic votes, pledged and unpledged, in the Kennedy column. Over the years other counts have routinely assigned all of Alabama's votes to Kennedy.

But scholars say that isn't accurate. "Not all the voters who chose those electors were for Kennedy--anything but," says historian Albert Southwick. Humphrey Taylor, the current chairman of the polling firm Louis Harris & Associates (which worked for Kennedy in 1960), acknowledges that in Alabama "much of the popular vote . . . that is credited to Kennedy's line to give him a small plurality nationally" is dubious. "Richard Nixon seems to have carried the popular vote narrowly, while Kennedy won in the Electoral College," he concludes.

Congressional Quarterly, the respected nonpartisan chronicler of Washington politics, spent some effort in the 1960s to come up with a fair way of counting Alabama's votes. Reporter Neil Pierce took the highest vote cast for any of the 11 Democratic electors in Alabama--324,050--and divided it proportionately between Kennedy and the unpledged electors who ended up voting for Harry Byrd.

Using that method, Kennedy was given credit for 5/11ths of the Democratic total, or 147,295 votes. Nixon's total in Alabama of 237,981 remained the same. The remaining 176,755 votes were counted as being for the unpledged electors.

With these new totals for Alabama factored in with the vote counts for the other 49 states, Nixon has a 58,181-vote plurality, edging out Kennedy 34,108,157 votes to 34,049,976. Using that calculation the 1960 election was even closer than we thought."



"another typical liberal........... it is always someone elses fault..."

Hey BL2, who's fault is it we're running massive deficits? Who's fault is it the borders are porous? Who's fault is it there's no exit strategy in Iraq?

Let's see the response from the "party of responsibility".

Dude, you are dellusional, Tonyroma.

"We are free, even if we have to listen to the desparate cries of our former captors trying to bring the horses back into the barn because they don't want to share equality."

Try listening to any number of the good pastor's sermons concerning race and then tell me this should be the battle cry for the next evolution of race relations in the country.

You say we are dragging the discussion down when we point to a vehement racist and radical who preched to your savior for 20 years. The questions being raised are valid and relevant to the campaign, you're just upset that Obama actually has to answer a few tough questions and the press isn't just laying down for him anymore.

You better get used to it, because it is only going to get worse in the general. And, by the way, McCain answered that question the way any presidential candidate would have. He also said that he wouldn't have gone to that church. But, you expect an entire party to just roll over and play nice for Obama....for what reason? Oh, because the chains have been broken. Yeah, sure they have been, just ask Obama.

"It is over. Freedom has won, hallelujah!"

Wonderful...I'm glad for you, Tony. Now, Obama doesn't even need to campaign any longer and there'll be no more Jeremiah Wrights no more Hillary Clintons, no more real estate scandals or anything. We'll just have to wait for Bush to hand over the reins of government next January. I hear McCain is delivering his "surrender" speech tonight.

another typical liberal........... it is always someone elses fault.......even when they are doing something no one else is involved in...........love it....thanks for that........


It was the Website and is that the best you can do? Sorry I'm not a Liberal BL2 !

-Sarge

who's fault is it we're running massive deficits?

The dems and repubs.

Who's fault is it the borders are porous?

The dems and repubs.

Who's fault is it there's no exit strategy in Iraq?

There is one and you've been hearing it over and over again. Stand up the Iraqi government and settle the security agreement, and then go home. The security agreement is being discussed as we speak but still has a lot of work to be done on it to stand in place of the UN mandate.

BL2,

Like I Stated It Was The Website:

Posted by everlong at 2008-03-18 03:02 PM | Reply | Flag

Posted by everlong at 2008-03-18 03:03 PM | Reply | Flag


-Sarge

Don't be surprised Rcade, most Socialist and Communist dictators thought their "visions" were bigger too.

This is a dodge, Walt. Every politician has a vision for the country. Are you reluctant to discuss why your first take on this speech was a sleazy accusation about Obama's parentage?

You're face to face with Barack Obama, he takes it out... how many of you just start sucking the hell out of it?

This isn't even funny, Rob. It's just asinine. Spitwads from the back of the classroom by the kids marking time until school's out and they can go back to huffing paint.

And yet everything you claimed had been "purged" from the website is right here on this page - where it's always been.

You mean, until it disappears... AGAIN. LOL!

The buried the "Black Value System" under a new post featuring "white faces"...

...and then attributed the "Black Value System" to the racist Rev. Wright (instead of the Church itself).

The Trinity Church is "air-brushing" their website for Obama. LOL!

"Maybe...lots of opinions...Francis Russel writes in the New York Review of Books..."

So, in other words, your claim that Kennedy "lost the popular vote..." is based on "lots of opinions," and is not, as you claimed, a "fact."

The fact here is that the official record shows Kennedy winning the popular vote.

Your "lots of opinions" sounds like someone "proving" that Gore actually won Florida in 2000.

The fact, of course, is that he lost, officially, by 537 votes.

Hans

"You mean, until it disappears... AGAIN. LOL!

Posted by Farmer_John at 2008-03-18 05:24 PM"

Its Ok dear Farmer. You've now shown us that you are, indeed, NOT as big a man as Bill Kristol... that not only are you willing and eager to post something demonstrably false, but willing and eager to continue to perpetuate the falsehood despite all evidence to the contrary.

And you've shown us that you don't even have the fundamental decency to be even slightly embarrassed about it.

But I do enjoy the delicious irony of you accusing Obama of being dishonest, even as you post your lie yet again.

Nice.

Dang.

Didn't get to see the speech.

But judging from the love/hate reactions here, it must've been pretty powerful stuff.

Disappointed to see no posts from the dr's most articulate hater.

But ol' Walt sure made an ass of himself. Kinda' sad...he's usually better than that...showed his true colors, tho.

"Spitwads from the back of the classroom by the kids marking time until school's out and they can go back to huffing paint."

Accurate description of the asshole_rob.



...perpetuate the falsehood despite all evidence to the contrary.

Really? Then how come all the
white faces showed up where the "Black Value System" had been?

The Media Research Center notes that in place of these words now are video clips from church members, including one from a white church official who said she feels at home at Trinity.

They came back later with some nonsense link that the Black Value System had all been the racist Rev. Wright's idea. The AIRBRUSHING happened. Q.E.D.

Now where's YOUR admission of error SARogue. I won't hold my breath, hypocrite.

You can no longer access "The Black Value System" page you linked to from the Church's homepage.

Yeah. It still exists on the net... but you've got to know it's there to find it. You can't get to it from the homepage. It's been "airbrushed".

So admit you LIED SARogue. Suck it up and apologize like Bil Kristol would. LOL!

II still NEED to hear Barak say the following things before he wins any credit back that The good Rev cost him:


1. "I DO NOT belive that the AIDS virus was constructed by the CIA for use on Africans and African Americans."

2. "The terrible acts of carnage on Sept, 11th were the acts of 19 horribly demented scum and NOT with the awarness of the GOV."

3. "I went to Harvard. But hey, I still know about the gehtto, I have to drive through it to get to my Office and Church."


4. Hillary Clinton is a nigger. Take that Pastor Wright

BTW the speech was FAR from powerfull OR moving.

same old same old.

Also, what the fuck is a "Black Value System"????


Wonder what people would say about me if I deside to start a church and devote it to a "White Value System"??

Prolly call me a racist white sepratist.

Good gravy, when I began reading this thread I almost thought I had stumbled into a Klan meeting by mistake. What awful bile and hatred has been spewed here today. As for the speech, I read it, it was powerful, thanks to the links posted here I saw it, it was even more powerful. It is long overdue, everyone tip-toes around the race issue in this country but it has never been fully addressed it has never been spoken of, until now. Based upon some of the comments here it is no wonder that America is considered a "backward" country by many overseas. My bi-racial sister and her "white" husband were actually nervous about coming to visit me here in the deep south, "will they give us problems seeing as we are a mixed race couple?" America has to accept the fact that the seemingly most advanced nation on the planet was still practicing discrimination of a skin color as recently as what 30 years ago? When I first moved here in 1991 I had no idea that I was moving to what was a discriminatory nation, hey you guys have nuclear weapons, you are really smart right? Wrong. The more I learned of the discrimination of blacks I was absolutely GOBSMACKED to use a good English term. I watched "Remember the Titans" and "We were Soldiers" and could not believe that a country as so called progressive as the US could a) not allow a certain skin color into a restaurant and b) not allow a certain skin color to use a laundromat. Barack's speech was long overdue. It puts the black resentment into perspective. Believe me, I am a white chick, the original English Rose, but if I had been treated like the blacks had been treated in this country then I would be as resentful as hell. Oh and Farmer John is a pillock whose head will explode the day Obama is sworn in.

Observing that Rev. Wright, Louis Farrakhan of the Nation of Islam, and Barack Hussein Obama, are racists, based on their observed actions and statements, spurs some lefties to claim that such observations are "racist. Weird ideation, but what can you expect from addled leftist racists, who finds the bases of their world view threatened by reality.

What is it, lefties. Was Wright an America-hater, a hater of whites, and a Jew-hater? Did members of Wrights church pledge allegiance to Africa and not America? Is that evidence of alienation?

Do Rev. Wright's declarations from the pulpit "Damn America" and "F--k America" convey a sense of love for America?

Are you guys suggesting that Obama was in a catatonic state for 17 years, and didn't know what was going on?

I suppose that you can create your own reality. But to expect sane people to share your delusions is a sign of the profundity of your distress. In your denials you only convince your chorus that is also living on the edge of reality.

Fortunately, the voters will dispose of this creep, Obama.

"You can no longer access "The Black Value System" page you linked to from the Church's homepage. Posted by Farmer John"

Do you think you can just lie and lie and lie and not get called on it, Farmer?

Go back and look at your OWN link. Right there on the Church's HOME PAGE, right under the banner that says "Good Search" is this sentence, complete with link to the page...

"Click here to read about The Black Value System"

www.tucc.org

What the hell is the matter with you, anyway?

I don't even want to know who would spit (Rogers) and who would swallow (Tony)... Let's not get that personal... I'm just betting 85% of you would go down on Barack Obama if the opportunity presented itself...

4. Hillary Clinton is a nigger. Take that Pastor Wright

Posted by 101Chairborne


Not only is Rev. Wright an idiot, he's apparently a liar...

FF!

Oh and Farmer John is a pillock...

Your wonderful English understatement is noted and smiled upon.

Did some fish n chipper just complain about vitriol and bile? For fucking real? Racism is alive and well in jolly old england, not to mention you some how have nukes and Hooliganism.

You have Lennox Lewis, and not one other black person. You lack perspective...

By the way, Obama is also a crook who took a $300,000 payoff from a Chicago political fixer.

I don't even want to know who would spit (Rogers) and who would swallow (Tony)... Let's not get that personal... I'm just betting 85% of you would go down on Barack Obama if the opportunity presented itself...

What the hell does this even mean?

I think RCADE has been a little too nice to the trolls and allowable postings of such mean spirited malicious comments.

I for the life of me can't possibly figure out what rob is trying to say here, not in any type of rationale.

Posted by Litlebritdifrnt at 2008-03-18 06:45 PM

... if I had been treated like the blacks had been treated in this country then I would be as resentful as hell. Oh and Farmer John is a pillock whose head will explode the day Obama is sworn in.

Little Tea Rose, even granting the truth of your statement, if you had enraged someone would you think it wise to give that enraged person power over you.

I don't care how "bad" I've been, I don't want to expose myself to anyone's vindictiveness.

And there seems to be little doubt that Obama was indoctrinated in a hate infused church for 17 years.

He also had his children indoctrinated with hate of America and antagonism toward whites by their attendance in the church.

I certainly don't want anyone with the hateful mindset toward "my kind" that pervades Trinity Church to make any decisions that could affect me. Do you want to take such a chance?

I for the life of me can't possibly figure out what rob is trying to say here,

I'm saying that to the Obama supporters here it wouldn't have mattered what Obama said about his relationship with Reverend Wright, because you are like a bunch of cultists worshiping this junior senator like he's some sort of prophet. And that you're all gay.

I am not saying anything apologetic or the like because I am scared of ANY of you but please look a little closer next time.
I am blTWO........bl3 is an imposter and when you answer the prick as if it were me, then you give the shit what they want.
I dont expect an apology, just look closer next time.

This isn't even funny, Rob. It's just asinine. Spitwads from the back of the classroom by the kids marking time until school's out and they can go back to huffing paint.

Posted by rcade


uh oh, you're not going to like 651 post at all...

Bullshit its asinine... its a funny commentary about how you liberals are practically worshiping the ground he walks on...

Its actually starting to get creepy...

1. I think RCADE has been a little too nice to the trolls and allowable postings of such mean spirited malicious comments.

2. I for the life of me can't possibly figure out what rob is trying to say here, not in any type of rationale.
POSTED BY MONEYWAR AT 2008-03-18 07:01 PM | REPLY

1. You have the gaul to mention mean spirited posts after what you and Hans have typed?
2. I'm sure it will come as no surprise, but there are quite a few people that read your posts in order to be confused. It's as if you open a book, pick out 12 random words, and then put them in a sentence. "...not in any type of a rationale"

1. You have the gaul to mention mean spirited posts after what you and Hans have typed?


I've been burning DVDs and missed this... I'll start hunting, but can a brotha get a link?

He's now distanced himself from him, which is more than boy dunder can claim about his pariah, pat robertson. Posted by panchovilla

Its not enough.....

and here is another point......houston talk radio had a BLACK caller call in and talked about the trent lott deal and he is completely correct. he made a comment about thrumond and it was the end of his career because libs said that he was a new thurman or whatever.........then he went on bet and made a fool of himslef kowtowing to the welfare pimps and national class warfare mongers names sharpton and jackson. and here the furor was gigantic calling for his resignation and calling him all sorts of names....but we forget that dont we..
how convienent.

and BLESS THIER HEARTs...I also heard more than a couple of black callers as well as others say that if their preacher had preached like that more than just a little.
THEY WOULD HAVE LEFT...........so he disagreed time after time and yet kept going there.....I "AINT" BUYING IT......
at the LEAST he went there for political reasons.......thats okay, just admit it.

Rob,
The exact same thing douchepud got booted for (I'm going back a couple of weeks).

Ah gotcha...

I'd put MW in the yes column of my poll...

BL2,

I dont expect an apology, just look closer next time.

Damn Brother I'm sorry, I apologize I should have looked and known better.

-Sarge

Are you reluctant to discuss why your first take on this speech was a sleazy accusation about Obama's parentage?

Since Walt aint responding Spud will take a crack at it.

Cos like Farmer John, Tiny Johnson and other obvious racist hacks on this site they would all prefer it if "miscegnation" were still illegal.

Spud thinks the funnest part about when Obama gets sworn in as POTUS will the sound of Klansmen like Farmer John and Tiny Johnson and other creepy backwards assed fucksticks when their heads all simultaneously asplode.

Good riddance to bad rubbish sez Spud.

It's pretty easy to see where the true racism and hate reside from reading this thread.

The Big White Tent of the GOP. Natch

Un-fucking-deniable at this point.

Its actually starting to get creepy...

Creepy? No Rob, wots creepy is that there are still folks in the US so stupid and fucked up they think (and I use that word in it's broadest context) that racist humour in 2008 is either A) funny or B) appropriate.

Creepy is someone looking at a wreck of a human being like McCain and actually thinking he would make a decent POTUS and CiC (much less a better one than Obama) that's wot's creepy.

See also: Yer mirror.

Be Well.

Sorry rob it isn't funny, and coming from you the bush loving maximum man makes it even less funny.

Both you and 101 used to have some good valid humor in your posts, now they are just plain shepherds hook material.

It is almost like you don't know the material you two are trying to mock and that is why it comes off so poorly.

Think you both need to get into modern reality a little bit before the hook pulls you off for good.

Creepy? No Rob, wots creepy is that there are still folks in the US so stupid and fucked up they think (and I use that word in it's broadest context) that racist humour in 2008 is either A) funny or B) appropriate.

Racist? Where have I been racist?

See this is one of my biggest problems with Obama supporters... anyone who doesn't agree with Obama, thinks he's too liberal, lacks experience, hates his ideas... well they're just racists...

Creepy is someone looking at a wreck of a human being like McCain and actually thinking he would make a decent POTUS and CiC

www.time.com

John McCain, who is widely regarded (everywhere except inside the Republican Party itself) as honest, courageous, likable and intelligent.

Both you and 101 used to have some good valid humor in your posts, now they are just plain shepherds hook material.

Again... In this thread, on this subject, we're going after McCain and his supporters... so now we're racists...

This got old 6 months ago...

GO HILLARY!!!

well I dont know about the should have known better part....lol but it happens.....
"aint no thang".

and colbert is hillarious tonight.
he has as a guest samantha powers and then he said.....who says he is inexperienced...he already has a FORMER foreign affiars advisor.....funny.....

No MW you didn't call us racists (sorry I got distracted and forgot to add more to that line before hitting publish), but you are saying we should be banned for good... Just because we're after Obama...

"who's fault is it we're running massive deficits? "

The dems and repubs.

Repubs have controlled the purse strings for over a decade. Try again.

"Who's fault is it the borders are porous?"

The dems and repubs.

Repubs were in unfettered control for six years and did nothing.

But it's easier to blame the party out of power, isn't it? 'Cause that's what the "party of responsibility" is all about.

whats sad is you don't get the same kind of inspiration from john mccain

you are scared of obama because he can inspire so many

and mccain can't inspire a room that reeks of ben gay and denture adhesive.

you would rather vote based on your party then your politics.

"1. You have the gaul to mention mean spirited posts after what you and Hans have typed?"

This should be interesting.

Hans

you would rather vote based on your party then your politics.

I don't believe in hand outs for those who refuse to get a job, I don't think we should be talking with guys like Ahmahdinijad, I don't think we should run from Iraq now that the tide is turning, I don't think we should fuck with health care...

Oh I also have a problem with a man having a close personal relationship with a racist lecturing me about how its time to stop all the racism...

but other then that you're right, I'm not voting for him because he inspires so many...

all that you just said rob

is just invalid points from a stubborn man
who doesnt' realize he's lost

you are an intelligent man rob

but those answers are not intelligent

is just invalid points

Invalid points? They're what I think and believe, and that's how I base my vote... sorry I don't think like you and say "well he inspires lots of people let me run with him."

I don't believe fucking with health care is a good idea, Obama does. I don't think that talking to the leader of Iran is a good idea, Obama does. I don't think we should leave Iraq now, Obama does.

And Reverend Wright is clearly a racist, and hates America (Unless "God damn America" is ghetto slang for God Bless... Bad = Good and all that), and Obama is a close personal friend of his and has been for 20 years, so I have a problem with Obama lecturing America abouts race with Wright in his corner...

For those reasons and many like it, I am not voting for Obama... I'm sorry if you look like an ass now for your assumption as to why I'm not voting for him, but that's hardly my problem now is it?

Just because we're after Obama...

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2008-03-18 07:35 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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andf if he is president just think about ANY COMMENT at all will be a rascist dig against the president
ANY thing said about him against his policies will be anti black and racial....

you would rather vote based on your party then your politics.

Posted by klifferd at

this is a bullshit statement any time it is used in this context of anti republican. you cant state this without it applying to dems as well....otherwise, there would be a third party come out of all this...one thats actually viable.
and that ":AINT" gonna happen yet.

Rob racists????

You're going after Obama? The last time I looked it was not about Obama but going after the people who support Obama.

There is a difference and the way you are doing it is not funny, and find it interesting that you think it is funny.

I have not said I think you should be banned, I have said you will get banned by keeping up the current practice. Look at the moderation policy, one thing it says is it must be humorous in RCADE's eyes.

Well, RCADE so much as told you your stuff is not funny. I think he just shot a slug warning across your bow.

but those answers are not intelligent


Posted by klifferd


Just because you believe differently does mean what you think it does... I don't think fucking with healthcare is a good idea... you obviously think we should be...

I know what's going to happen when there is a big beauracratic mess of a healthcare system... Obama supporters are going to find out the hard way... and it isn't going to be pretty.

"Unless "God damn America" is ghetto slang for God Bless."

Rob, did you see enough of the segment to see the Jeremiah references? What do they mean to you?

My mistake, evidently you can access the page in question...now. That doesn't mean that it's always been accessible (like when the article was written) or that they didn't recently re-design the website and shuffle everything around.

And you have to admit that "the Black Value System" is a racist screed that if the word "white" were transposed for "black", there'd be a multi-racial lynch mob standing in the Churches front yard looking to hang its' members for Pledging Allegiance to All White Leadership Who Espouse and Embrace the White Value System...

"his is a bullshit statement any time it is used in this context of anti republican. you cant state this without it applying to dems as well"

if a dem said anything as invalid as everyone of robs points. i would say the same thing

get this... things can ALWAYS get better
health care ... needs to get better
politics with our enemies(iran) ... need to get better.. whats current isnt' working, unless continuously killing those we disagree with is civil.
iraq policy ... nees to get better
we need to leave iraq... we won. in case you didnt' notice, saddam is dead, we fucked up and killed a lot of people... but let them figure it out, we did them a favor and killed saddam time to leave.

There is a difference and the way you are doing it is not funny

To you... an Obama supporter... I didn't expect Liberal Obama supporters to laugh...

but I'm betting 101, Bushlovertwo, a few others here found it pretty funny...

I have not said I think you should be banned

Really? What did you mean by this?

I think RCADE has been a little too nice to the trolls and allowable postings of such mean spirited malicious comments.

You thinnk RCade has been too nice... so you're saying what?

Rob, did you see enough of the segment to see the Jeremiah references? What do they mean to you?

Posted by Danforth


Wait? What segment? The Wright speeches? yeah I saw them, and read them... its the typical "whitey kept me down so fuck them and fuck this country" type speech...

Or did you mean Obama's speech trying to distance himself? In which case I say that I refuse to accept Obama distancing himself from such a close personal friend and mentor of 20 years... Obama supporters found today's speech to be enough...

He could have walked up to the microphone and talked with his ass cheeks like Ace Ventura and they would have cried, fainted and rubbed a couple out...

The only thing this speech really accomplished is that it appears to have put the media back where they started... knelt down right in front of him... lips at the ready...

Everbody Pledge Allegiance to All White Leadership Who Espouse and Embrace the White Value System...

I guess that disqualifies Obama. My, didn't Obama and his wife take THAT pledge for over 20 years...

Welp, After sitting on the fence for a bit (Not liking Mccain for his Foreign Policy's and Not liking Obama for his Domestic Policy's, and well, just not liking Hillary), This speech probably pushed me over into the Obama camp.

While I'm still not a huge fan of his policies, I'm willing to give the guy a chance. His speech struck me as honest and filled with less empty rhetoric and "politics" then I had expected.


Hail to the chief

if a dem said anything as invalid as everyone of robs points. i would say the same thing

They're not "invalid" they're the opposite of what you think... we don't share the same opinion... that doesn't make what you think, fact.

get this... things can ALWAYS get better

They can get a fuck-ton worse

health care ... needs to get better

Horseshit... if you're not careful with this a lot of people are going to die... and no I'm not exaggerating...

politics with our enemies(iran) ... need to get better..

again, horseshit... if the other side can be trusted, and is willing to come to the table then sure... but a holocaust denying lunatic who wants to destroy one of our allies should not be talked to...

iraq policy ... nees to get better

Read a newspaper... things have gotten better... hell there was a thread here yesterday that even the Iraqis think so...

Opinions

Posted by klifferd


they're not invalid, they're not wrong... they're just your opinions, I have mine.

In regards to healthcare though, I'm right.

John McCain, who is widely regarded (everywhere except inside the Republican Party itself) as honest, courageous, likable and intelligent

Time magazine, Rob?

Fuck Time magazine. They are hopeless Hillary shills and one of the main dispensers of the MSM's kool-aid fer the status quo's sound bytes and have been like ...ferever.

The Truth about McCain is he isn't fit to be handing out towels in a freakin' washroom in Morrocco much less be voted into the most powerful job on earth.

Just saw him on CNN a coupla minutes ago having a senior moment on his photo op trip to the ME. Sed that Iran was training AQ sunnis and sending them over the border. Joe Loserman had to lean in and tell him the Iran was a Shia country not a Sunni one and he immediately corrected himself. When you need an Israeli Hack like Loserman to correct yer senior moments you are in serious trouble.

He's a hot head, a retard, a womaniser, a MIC muppet, a Grumpy old man with pre-ALS, a gold digger, a war monger, and America is apparently currently falling for his blatent photo op with help from the corporate MSM.

Spud never thought America was stupid or ignorant or self destructive or naive enuff to vote for Bush but apparently enuff folks did to allow him to steal two elections.

The MSM in America leads Joe and Janey Lunchpail by the nose-ring, kinda like cows, only ...you know, ...dumber.

Still plenty of time until the election but the forces allied against the only decent candidate you have are formidable.

And Rob makes jokes about it from his gig as a member of the MIC.

So much FAIL.

So little time.

Empires die, Rob.

Be Well.

The only thing this speech really accomplished is that it appears to have put the media back where they started... knelt down right in front of him... lips at the ready...

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole


amen bro......you ARE THE MAN.....

and kliffered......there is no denying some of the things you mention need some work just like we tried to no avail thanks to the dems concerning SS.....
but again....if you want to talk about someone who values thier party over this country, you have to talk both sides and the thing is I dont believe ALL dems think of their party over country, just the far left wing kooks who are running it now.


GO ROCKETS>.....you passed the first BIG test...now today ....ST PADDYS......what a day to BEAT THE CELTICS..........of course all of you know whats coming at the end in case of a boston W.....you cant beat the irish on this day......
JUST LIKE OBAMA>...a built in excuse.....LOL

see when you talk like that ..i can have a civil discussion

jees

;)

Chair - so go ahead and diss me cause I am a brit, no probs, go ahead and diss me cause I do believe that America has a problem with race..., go fuck yourself.

Proof that the church site was re-vamped lies here as well... just click on this page's link to the BVS and you get the new "About" page with all the white faces... which got re-added in February.

uck Time magazine. They are hopeless Hillary shills

That certainly explains why they would write a glowing article about mccain...

dumbass...

so go ahead and diss me cause I am a brit, no probs, go ahead and diss me cause I do believe that America has a problem with race

Can I diss you for using "diss?"

Brits... canadians...

Don't you guys have your own governments?

"You say you're supposed to be nice to the Episcopalians and the Presbyterians and the Methodists and this, that, and the other thing. Nonsense. I don't have to be nice to the spirit of the Antichrist."
--Pat Robertson, The 700 Club, January 14, 1991

"Bush left his family's Episcopal Church to join his wife's United Methodist Church"

Why Does Pat Robertson Think Bush Is The Ant-Christ?

-Sarge

"there is no denying some of the things you mention need some work just like we tried to no avail thanks to the dems concerning SS....."

Once again, the illiterate who masquerades as a teacher posts his usual BS regarding Democrats.

First it was:

"of course with taxes back up over 50% because of dems in congress....."

Posted by bushlovertwo at
2007-11-15 11:02 AM
...and now, at a time when the Republicans held the majority in the House and Senate, and the Executive branch, and the majority of governor mansions... it was "the dems" to blame for "SS."

Hans

That certainly explains why they would write a glowing article about mccain...

dumbass...


** Deep sigh **

Spud keeps fergitting how totally clueless Rob actually is.

Don't know why. He reminds Spud with EVERY SINGLE POST.

Here's the deal, friendo

Hillary and Clinton are the two corporately pre-approved candidates this election cycle.

It's another one of those "heads we win, tails you lose" kinda deals from the perspective of those who control the status quo.

Time luffs themself some sHrillary and McLamoid cos if either of them get elected they've done their jobs.

That's the script.

Questions?

Be Well.

at a time when the Republicans held the majority in the House and Senate, and the Executive branch, and the majority of governor mansions... it was "the dems" to blame for "SS."

But then again aren't Dems blaming the GOP for lack of movement in Congress because they don't have enough votes to block GOP obstruction?

Democrats did kill the profoundly stupid idea Bush had to reform SS... that's just fact... hell they claim victory there themselves.

I don't think it was stupid to try to fix SS, I think it was stupid to try to fix SS so quickly after his election victory... he just won, but lobbed back an easy victory for the DNC... that was stupid...

Hillary and Clinton are the two corporately pre-approved candidates this election cycle.


I'm guessing you meant Hillary and McCain...

Then I would ask why, if McCain were the Corporately pre-approved candidate was he dead in the water just 6 months ago? He was damn near dead last in the polls and forced to take out life insurance policies just to get funding...

Odd if he had such corporate backing...

** Deep Sigh **

Dumbass...

This speech was all bull**** political mumbo jumbo trying to divert attention away from true racial healing and continuing on with the black myths of racism.

Obama is a member of a black supremacist church and has been for several years. Go to the churches website and read their mission statement yourself
www.tucc.org .
The press has essentially ignored this story because Obama is black and there is great misconception in America that only blacks can be allowed to define racism. Even on this board, just for mentioning such things the responses are to accuse the postesr of rascism rather ten try to formulate a real logical discussion.

I'm guessing you meant Hillary and McCain...

Obvious in context but Spud is still suprised you figured it out.

Then I would ask why, if McCain were the Corporately pre-approved candidate was he dead in the water just 6 months ago? He was damn near dead last in the polls and forced to take out life insurance policies just to get funding...

Actually, Rudy 9ui11iani was the other significant pre-approved corporate candidate on the right (along with Mittens). McCain was supposed to be an also-ran. Rudy is really more their style. The deal there was, whichever of them got the nom the others would back them. If Rudy had gotten the nod it woulda been McCain behind him at all those campaign stops smiling for the cameras. As it was, apparently American GOPhers weren't quite ready for a cross dressing thrice-married walking skull who couldn't stop saying 9/11 like it was a speech impediment or a guy who wore magical underwear so McCain ended up emerging from the pack. You can tell that cos of how fucking pissed shills like Coulter and Rush were when he became the nom.

Americans think the economy is the number one threat to America and have largely forgotten about Iraq. All three candidates are now neck and neck. They think McCain can hadle the war better than Barack or Hillary, apparently the average Am,erican is too stupid to figure out that one of the main reasons the economy is faltering as quickly as it is is the fact that the war in Iraq is like a giant toilet bowl that America flushes 12 Billion a month down. Money borrowed from the ChiComs who do NOT have America's long term best interests at heart. Even the UK. America's long term ally is saying on their MSM "Sell American currency and get into commodities or other safe havens"

A nation of folks who fail to connect the dots will never see the bigger picture.

But never mind that now ...American Idol is on!

Dumbass.

Be Well.

Here Is A Great Church:

TPMtv: McCain Can't Quit John Hagee

www.youtube.com

-Sarge

so McCain ended up emerging from the pack

Mitt Romney, Huckabee, Fred Thompson... all along with Giuliani were polling better then the "Corporate preapproved," according to you, John McCain...

Keep spinning Douchepud... you fucked up... its your turn for the gotcha posts... you can save yourself the embarassment and just bail if you want... I won't laugh any harder then I'm laughing at you now...

But never mind that now ...American Idol is on!

Be Well.


Posted by dethspud at


The fact that you know that... puts you in the "Yes" column for my poll as well...

Obama is a member of a black supremacist church and has been for several years. Go to the churches website and read their mission statement yourself www.tucc.org

~Alwayswhite

That is just so much racist bullshit it's fucking pathetic.

Spud read the mission statement, read it month and months ago. Nowhere does it say that they are either a black supremist or even a black seperatist organisation. That's pure bullshit from neanderfuck retards like yerselk who are coming in yer pants with the thought that it's cool to describe people who fight racism as being racists for that very reason and yes, that does make you either a racist yourself or a fucking moron.

Most likely both if yer posts can be believed.

Be Well.

-That's the script.


That's so 8 years ago.

Wall Street figured out the Rethugs were in disarray early on in this election cycle and placed the smart money with Clinton.

They know, as you apparently do not, that she will work for true universal health care and sign legislation for public financing of elections,
but they were resigned to a Clinton administration anyway.

Wall Street gave about 100 million to Clinton in legal donations, and about 100 million to Obama in legal, but borderline bundled donations, you know, where the check is not under the corporate logo, but gathered by bosses and workers and fairly open ended as to how much can be donated if the original check writer never actually touches the donation again.

But Hillary is more liberal than Bill, and tougher, too. And the same people who brought us 22 million new jobs, a budget surplus, and relative peace work for her.

Their assistants work for Obama.


John Hagee Creatively Interprets the U.S. Great Seal

www.youtube.com

What A Great Preacher !!

-Sarge

Wow, that really was a good speech. He covered all that needed to be covered. Some questions remain, but just when you think you can count him out he pulls out this.

I've really missed this kind of politician. Someone who can really communicate with the people, get people excited and motivated like Kennedy did.

I had the pleasure of listening to a Kennedy speech just the other day, while watching in the shadow of the moon
www.imdb.com . It was the one when Kennedy was speaking about how we were going to get to the moon withing the decade.
www.youtube.com man that really gets me. That kind of man can make the country believe it can do great things, and then do them!

that does make you either a racist

If Spud goes 5 minutes without calling someone a racist or a nazi, or a racist nazi he starts to get the shakes...

"Their assistants work for Obama."

Well yes, this is sort of a "changing of the guard" sort of thing. Can't remember when, in a crisis, I want the oldest possible person to be in charge. I want the imagination, creativity and drive that a younger person can provide, I want the new perspective of a new generation to fix the errors of the previous one. Yes, Obama's crew is probably younger and smarter and will prove to be just what we need if the effectiveness of their campaign is an indicator when you consider Hilary had a fifteen point lead, Obama can raise more money and is the popular favorite. His crew must be pretty damn good even if they are the "assistants."

My Bad, it was this part of the speech
www.youtube.com

Exactly Danni, how does it feel to be losing to your old assistants? What does that say about you?

It seems like the grasshopper is teaching the 'master'

John Hagee Jesus NOT Messiah

www.youtube.com

What The Fuck? Is He A Preacher You All Love

Why Do People Stay In Hagee's Church When He Teaches Jesus Is Not The Messiah ?

-Sarge

"It seems like the grasshopper is teaching the 'master'"

I think 'master' demonstrate he/she know not what to do. Time for grasshopper to chirp. Obama chirp very good.

Which Obama is it!!

ABC News April 11,2007 by Jake Tapper

Obama: Fire Imus

"I understand MSNBC has suspended Mr. Imus," Obama told
ABC News, "but I would also say that there's nobody on my
staff who would still be working for me if they made a comment like that about anybody of any ethnic group."
"And I would hope that NBC ends up having the same attitude."

Obama said he appeared once on Imus's show two years ago, and "I have no intentions of retuning."

I am pretty sure Kris meant something with that post.

Newsweek is reporting Obama wrote the speech himself.

www.newsweek.com

"Proof that the church site was re-vamped lies here as well... just click on this page's link to the BVS and you get the new "About" page with all the white faces... which got re-added in February.

Posted by Farmer_John"

Hang it up Farmer. You posted a BS story that was shown to be false and then you kept insisting it was true despite being shown the evidence that it was not. Then you tried to tap dance and parse your way out of it.

The ONLY thing that has changed on their website over the past several months is that they added a video clip by the Rev. Dr. Jane Fisler Hoffman, UCC Conference Minister for Northern Illinois who oversees 287 churches, including Trinity.

Everything else, whether you like it or not, is exactly where it always was, for anyone to see.

Grow up dude.


I am pretty sure Kris meant something with that post.

Posted by danni


Well I don't want to speak for him but for me it was obviously exposing a very hypocritical stance that Obama took back in 2007 when he condemned Imus even though he knew all about the things Rev. Wright had said...

and it seems pretty fucked up...

Oh, and also a message from Rev. John Thompson, the General Minister and President of the denomination.

Deathspud,

Thank you for proving my point.

"That is just so much racist bullshit it's fucking pathetic."


No white candidate would receive a pass from the press if they attended any organization with similar views, example: "We are a congregation which is Unashamedly [White]", "and remain "true to our native land [white europe]," the mother continent, the cradle of civilization."

Again you subscribe to the misconception that racism can only be defined by black people. And rather than forming a logical argument you attack me as racist and believe that is a logical response. Again read from the church itself, don't take my word for it.
www.tucc.org

As the wingnut chorus predictably disses Obama's eloquent speech, it's important to remember how completely ridiculous and manufactured this whole Wright "controversy" is:

...the idea that America deserves terrorist attacks and other horrendous disasters has long been a frequently expressed view among the faction of white evangelical ministers to whom the Republican Party is most inextricably linked. Neither Jerry Falwell nor Pat Robertson ever retracted or denounced their view that America provoked the 9/11 attacks by doing things to anger God. John Hagee continues to believe that the City of New Orleans got what it deserved when Katrina drowned its residents and devastated the lives of thousands of Americans. And James Inhofe -- who happens to still be a Republican U.S. Senator -- blamed America for the 9/11 attacks by arguing in a 2002 Senate floor speech that "the spiritual door was opened for an attack against the United States of America" because we pressured Israel to give away parts of the West Bank. The phrases "anti-American" and "America-haters" are among the most barren and manipulative in our entire political lexicon, but whatever they happen to mean on any given day, they easily encompass people who believe that the U.S. deserved the 9/11 attacks, devastating hurricanes and the like. Yet when are people like Falwell, Robertson, Hagee, Inhofe and other white Christian radicals ever described as anti-American or America-hating extremists? Never -- because white Christian evangelicals who tie themselves to the political Right are intrinsically patriotic.

Well, yeah. Duh.

By all accounts, George Bush had private conversations with Pat Robertson about matters as weighty as whether to invade Iraq. Isn't that a big scandal -- that the President is consulting with an American-hating minister -- someone who believes God allowed the 9/11 attacks as punishment for our evil country -- about vital foreign policy decisions? No, it wasn't controversial at all.

John Hagee privately visits with the highest level Middle East officials in the White House and afterwards pronounces that they're in agreement. John McCain shares a stage with Hagee and lavishes him with praise, as Rudy Giuliani did with Pat Robertson. James Inhofe remains a member in good standing in the GOP Senate Caucus. The Republican Party has tied itself at the hip to a whole slew of "anti-American extremists" -- people who believe that the U.S. provoked the 9/11 attacks because God wants to punish us for the evil, wicked nation we've become -- and yet there is virtual silence about these associations.

Once again, it's important to keep making the point that when you've built an entire political movement on the backs of a crazy mob of Dixiecrat Savonarolas who make outrageous hateful comments pretty much every day, you've sort of opted-out of your ability to throw stones."


firedoglake.com

Shrillary takes some of the most nutty things that Rev. Wright sed in his 20 years as a Pastor of Trinity and feeds those sound bytes to the MSM and tries to pretend that that's all he's sed and done in his 20 years as Pastor and the racists come crawling out of the woodwork to revel in their own racism by calling Wright a racist and by extension Obama.

To Spud the racist comments by the shitheels on this thread just prove Rev. Wright right.

Be Well.

Deathspud,

Thank you for proving my point.


No, AlwaysWhite&Right&Tight thank YOU for proving Spud's point.

Be Well.

racists come crawling out of the woodwork to revel in their own racism by calling Wright a racist

LMAO...

Douchepud, the r, a, c, i, s & t keys on your keyboard have to be replaced weekly don't they?

What a tool...

If God told George to invade Iraq and Barack Obama opposed it then .... OMG!!! Barack Obama hates God!!

Newsweek is reporting Obama wrote the speech himself.

Damn straight he did.

Not only is he a great speaker but he's also an excellent writer which is more than Shrillary can say about her speeches or her two ghost written books.

Still, it puts her a cut above McLame who has to have his stuff read to him.

Slowly.

Be Well.


He [Wright] noted that we killed far more people, far more innocent civilians in Hiroshima and Nagasaki than were killed on 9/11 and "never batted an eye." That this statement is true is inarguable, at least amongst sane people. He is correct on the math, he is correct on the innocence of the dead (neither city was a military target), and he is most definitely correct on the lack of remorse or even self-doubt about the act: sixty-plus years later most Americans still believe those attacks were justified, that they were needed to end the war and "save American lives."

But not only does such a calculus suggest that American lives are inherently worth more than the lives of Japanese civilians (or, one supposes, Vietnamese, Iraqi or Afghan civilians too), but it also ignores the long-declassified documents, and President Truman's own war diaries, all of which indicate clearly that Japan had already signaled its desire to end the war, and that we knew they were going to surrender, even without the dropping of atomic weapons. The conclusion to which these truths then attest is simple, both in its basic veracity and it monstrousness: namely, that in those places we committed premeditated and deliberate mass murder, with no justification whatsoever; and yet for saying that I will receive more hate mail, more hostility, more dismissive and contemptuous responses than will those who suggest that no body count is too high when we're the ones doing the killing. Jeremiah Wright becomes a pariah, because, you see, we much prefer the logic of George Bush the First, who once said that as President he would "never apologize for the United States of America. I don't care what the facts are."

www.counterpunch.org

"Again read from the church itself, don't take my word for it."

www.tucc.org

3. A congregation actively seeking "RECONCILIATION".


reconciliation /rk'nslie'n/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[rek-uhn-sil-ee-
ey-shuhn] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
noun 1. an act of reconciling or the state of being reconciled.
2. the process of making consistent or compatible.


reconciliation

noun
1. the reestablishing of cordial relations
2. getting two things to correspond; "the reconciliation of his checkbook and the bank statement"

dictionary.reference.com

How Can You Be Bigoted When Your Mission Statement States :Actively Seeking "RECONCILIATION"

I Read Noting Anti-White At All; They Speak Of Unity and Reconciliation.

-Sarge

Mitt Romney, Huckabee, Fred Thompson... all along with Giuliani were polling better then the "Corporate preapproved," according to you, John McCain...

YOU FAIL!

Wow, you are SUCH a moron, Rob.

Actually, Rudy 9ui11iani was the other significant pre-approved corporate candidate on the right (along with Mittens). McCain was supposed to be an also-ran. Rudy is really more their style

Spud sed that Mitt and Rudy and McCain were the three corporately pre-approved candidates and you can't even read that far into one of Spud's posts?

Fred Thompson was just brought into the race to keep Huckabee from getting too competitive. Which is why he dropped out after the Carolina primary.

Rethugs love the money and votes that come from the extremist, racist, homophobic, war-mongering religious right but they aren't dumb enuff to let them too near real power.

Haven't you even figured that out yet?

Does Spud have to teach you EVERYTHING?

SHEESH!

Be Well.

Douchepud, the r, a, c, i, s & t keys on your keyboard have to be replaced weekly don't they?

What a tool...


Have you actually read ANY of this thread Rob?

It's all about race.

It's specifically about Shrillary applying her scorched earth policy to the Democratic party in her insane lust for personal power.

These Rev. Wright sound bytes have been playing over and over on FOX for months but it isn't until Hill digs up the ones she calculates will permanently paint Obama as THE BLACK CANDIDATE (something she has been attempting to do from the get go), and she feeds them to her pals over at the MSM so that the race baiting flame warriors come crawling out of the woodwork to declare that Rev Wright and by extension Obama are America hating racists while the extemist racist of the religious right get yet another pass for their far more egregious behaviours and sound bytes.

This whole thing is a massive made up "controversy". It's the MSMs attmept to give Obama his "Dean Scream" moment because he's the populist candidate who isn't totally bought and sold like Hillary and McCain. If they both get the Noms then it doesn't really matter who you vote for in November cos the fix is in and America will lose for another 4 years. Tricky part is America can't afford another four years of being led by a corporately corrupted meat puppet.

Trouble is also that most Americans are so propagandised and dumbed down that they are falling for this cheap trick like the simple minded children they mostly are.

Be Well.

Sarge,

I want reconciliation too, yet you consider me a bigot for mentioning that promoting black supremacy and racism will not lead to reconciliation.

Please explain how this statement is all inclusive and not racist- "We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black"

Or how this statement is not ethno-supremest?- "We are an African people, and remain "true to our native land," the mother continent, the cradle of civilization."

So rather than calling me a bigot or racist perhaps you may be able to articulate a real discussion about what Obama's church and Obabma believes?

This does not sound like a church atended by a "uniter". Actions do speak louder than words.

"I saw them, and read them... its the typical"

Okay...you don't get the Biblical references; that's okay. But realize you're taking the words themselves out of context if you don't get the Biblical references.

Trouble is also that most Americans are so propagandised and dumbed down that they are falling for this cheap trick like the simple minded children they mostly are.
per Spud--

That is exactly the trouble with Obama..he is selling a pint of liquor and calling it the medicine to cure all the ails of America.


I watched the speech and then read it--there is no doubt this guy is an Orator extroidinaire. It was eloquent, in a rythem (except for reading the tele prompter). And he was great at the start--I like history accounts of our country's history. And yes this country has had it's problems and we can do better. It is expected from each generation to do better than the last.

I believe Obama when he won't dropkick the pastor for the reasons he gave--the man was his mentor and inspiration and helped him find Christ. He was a father figure that Obama never had growing up. That is powerful for anyone.

And here are the facts--

Anybody think that Rev. Wright is not a foul-mouthed vulgar person?

I want reconciliation too, yet you consider me a bigot for mentioning that promoting black supremacy and racism will not lead to reconciliation.

Okay maybe yer not a racist. Maybe just a moron.

Please explain how this statement is all inclusive and not racist- "We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black"

You fergot "and Unashamedly Christian"

Now you explain how not being ashamed of being black is promoting Black Supremacism.

How is that in any way shape or form racist?

Do you have even the first glimpsde of understanding into the societal forces that shaped these Black churches into wot they are today?

Is not being ashamed of being Christian a form of Christian supremacism?

...In yer addled mind?

If they sed they were ashamedly black then they would be self loathing blacks and possibly anti black like the Klan.

Would you like that, AlwaysWrong?

Or how this statement is not ethno-supremest?- "We are an African people, and remain "true to our native land," the mother continent, the cradle of civilization.

How is that "supremist"? Do you even know wot that word means?

By being true to their African roots it just means that as part of their whole Social Justice theology they are commited to helping out poor black folks in Africa. If a white church commits itself to helping out Africans (which many of them do) does that make them racists in your opinion? Admit it, you haven't really thought this one out, have you?

Where are you getting the word "Supreme" from?

Diana Ross? The Court?

So rather than calling me a bigot or racist perhaps you may be able to articulate a real discussion about what Obama's church and Obama believes?

That's wot Spud is trying to do but so far you've FAILed to answer even one question. You just repeat yourself, do not address counter arguments and then act like you've made a point. Do you know wot honest debate even is? Cos so far you've evinced no real understanding at all.

This does not sound like a church atended by a "uniter". Actions do speak louder than words

How so?

What actions?

Try and answer just one of Spud's questions honestly.

Just try.

This whole "controversy" is bullshit.

Be Well.

Anybody think that Rev. Wright is not a foul-mouthed vulgar person?

Spud doesn't.

Spud thinks Johnson is a racist bitch however.

Does that help?

Rev Wright's theory on the origin of AIDS is out there but after the Tuskeegee Airmen illegal syphilis medical experiments you can see why he might think that.

Can't you?

The CIA's torture and LSD experiments in brain washing?

Rev Wright's Church is anti-racist. Most BLack liberation theology churches are.

Most evDEVILical churches on teh other hand are the official home of hate and insanity and homphobia and facism.

Spud would much rather attend one of Reverend Wrights sermons than one by Pat Robertson or Jerry Foulsmell or Robert Hagee or Jimmy Swaggert or Ted Haggert or Ted Parsley or Benny Hinn or Creflo Dollar or... well you get Spud's point, hopefully.

Be Well.

Have you heard the 37 minute Obama speech on race, pinche?

Go listen to it, then comment. Please?

Hey Obama, you dumped 0n your grandma for being skittish about black men on the street.

How about Rev. Jackson being skittish when passing a group of black men on the street? Are you going to dump on Jesse too? Or do you just specialize on dumping on white folk, even your grandma, whom you say gave you so much love and care.

Too much of the Rev. Wright vitriol there, Obama.

But hey, grandma is white, and so is an eligible target.

Remember when you dumped on Imus for his remarks. Well I agreed with your point of view. But somehow, you exonerate Rev. Wright from responsibility for far more egregious statements.

It used to be. If you white, you alright.
If you brown, stick aroun'.
If you black, step back.

But now we have the Obama version.

If you black, you homey from the hood.
If you brown, you still good.
If you white, stay out of sight.

Whitey, you got a lot to answer for. And you be answering to me.

Absolutely Barack, different strokes and standards for different folks.

What you're trying to do is justify black racism. It doesn't wash with most of us.

If it's "a new era," then black racism is to be as soundly condemned as white racism. But you are tolerant of black racism, Barack.

"Anybody think that Rev. Wright is not a foul-mouthed vulgar person?"

Johnson, are you familiar with the passages of Jeremiah to which Wright was referring?

www.crooksandliars.com

Here's the actual speech, if anyone has the stones to actually listen before mocking it.

It might require thought and work, so obviously some of us here exclude themselves...

Obama loves his pastor but rejects his politics.

They are one in the same and unfortunately Obama does not have the judgment to realize that important fact.

He equates his pastor's anti Americanism and hateful remarks with the rest of us disagreeing with our pastor priest or rabbi.

It is not the same--not even close...Disagreeing with my preacher on the interpretation on the Bible verse is way different than saying whites injected AIDS to the kill blacks.

Thankfully we are learning that most black churches do not preach this slander and bigotry in America. They are few and far between.

Obama threw his grandmother under the bus for his hateful preacher. He equates something that made him cringe that his GM said--but he never cringed about anything the pastor said? Is that really true?

The pastor equates Hiroshima with AQ and then the US. I guess everyone here hates Truman now.

At least he admitted he heard the hate in the pew--which he lied about before. That's because there is evidence out there he was there. The tapes speak for themselves. He was gyrating talking about Bill Clinton doing the black community like he was doing the dirty with Monica Lewinsky.

If this was a white guy he would be drummed off the pulpit for preaching blacks are evil and GD blacks and blacks are the scorge of the country--and if a candidate was attending that sort of church--for say the last 20 years--they would be drummed out of the race.

There is no reconciliation to Obama as he gave a pass to the pastor for the last 20 years knowing this hateful dribble and did nothing to change the one thing he wants to change in this country. He did nothing with his beloved pastor.

That's because Obama is sincere and likely believes and accepts the statements of Wright. Or give him a pass for the crazy uncle--who is more important than his GM.

Then Obama became partisan at the end of the speech and showed his uber liberal stripes for what they are--liberal and not understanding this economy or the country or the world.

If Obama makes it thru to the POTUS--guess who WILL BE his Farrakan minnie mee in the WH --right next to him? Wright hasn't apologized like so many of the Falwells and Robertsons have in the past when they say something really stupid.

Obama did not take responsibility for sticking with a Anti-American, disgusting, hateful, guy that Obama calls pastor.

Obama has no judgment--he should not be POTUS.

We cannot trust him as he has not the sintilla of sense to be POTUS. He can't change his pastor and all the rest is political expediency.

Great orator though--gotta' give him that.

Murphy




How about Rev. Jackson being skittish when passing a group of black men on the street? Are you going to dump on Jesse too? Or do you just specialize on dumping on white folk, even your grandma, whom you say gave you so much love and care.

He used that as an example of why he didn't stop associating with Wright as a friend. Pretty powerful idea, eh...when someone close to you does something wrong you don't just boot them out of your life completely.

I think most of us here have a relative we love that is quietly racist, but the adults among us don't let that overshadow the rest of the person.

The PC pukes do. And people like Johnson ARE that racist relative.

The Obama cleanup crew is working overtime. the Wikipedia article on Rev. Wrighmt has been cleaned up.

It previously stated in its head that Rev. Wright's church was well-known for its controversial views. Now that has been removed.

I wonder how a church so well-know for its distinctive views on race and America could have avoided the scrutiny of a 17 year member, who remained unaware of the tenor of the church.

So Obama was oblivious to the racist message of the church? Yet now, he justifies Rev. Wright's racism? So, he did know? Or he didn't. I suppose that depends on what "know" is. Yeah.

That is exactly the trouble with Obama..he is selling a pint of liquor and calling it the medicine to cure all the ills of America.

Wot does that mean exactly, Murphy?

It's Hillary and McCain who can't be trusted one inch. They are both owned lock, stock and barrel by the status quo and with either of them no real change is possible.

None.

Just more of the same, which America can't afford either financially or spititually.

I watched the speech and then read it--there is no doubt this guy is an Orator extrodinaire. It was eloquent, in a rhythm (except for reading the teleprompter). And he was great at the start--I like historical accounts of our country's history. And yes this country has had it's problems and we can do better. It is expected from each generation to do better than the last.

I believe Obama when he won't dropkick the pastor for the reasons he gave--the man was his mentor and inspiration and helped him find Christ. He was a father figure that Obama never had growing up. That is powerful for anyone.

Agreed.

Rev Wright not only brought Obama to Christ from an agnostic/athiestic household but he also married Barack and Michelle and baptised both their little girls. Spud woulda been very disapointed if Barack had tried to disown him completely. Barack is already on record as saying that he's not agreed with all of the Reverends words in the past but to expect Obama to deny him three times like Peter did to Christ would have shown him to be just another typical pol with an predisposition towards changing to suit prevailing political winds rather than holding onto his beliefs. So far despite all the outlandish claims that the Reverend, the Trinity church and Barack are all America hating, racists and black speratist/supremacists there has not been a single stick of evidence to back any of it up.

Are you ashamed to be white, Murphy?
Are you ashamed to be Christian?

Of course not.

Does that make you an America Hater or a racist or a seperatist or a white supremicist?

Of course not.

Wright hates America's sin not America.

So does Spud.

Hate the sin but love the sinner.

That's morality, Murphy.

To love America's sins without trying to do something about them is wrong.

That's immorality.

Other than the first part of yer post that I did not quite understand you really suprised me, Murph.

Your very Christian attitude is a pleasant suprise after all the race baiting and downright racist talk and illogic I've been putting up with on this thread today.

Be Well.

/Spud has never been prouder of Obama than he is of him today.
//Strewth

Who of you is gullible enough to believe that Obama was unaware of Rev. Wright's racism and anti-American message? Are any of you willing to admit to be that gullible? I suppose so.

After all, it is necessary for fanatic followers of anyone to create a reality that conforms to their delusion.

Spud: But never mind that now ...American Idol is on!

Mao: Which is, roughly, the intellectual equivalent of a Hussein Obama speech!

Yipee!

Dumbass.


If you ever have a single intellectually honest thing to say Mao then Spud is kick back and wait for you to say it.

The fact that Spud's been waiting years for you to make a single valid point is beside the fact.

Spud's all ears.

/And eyes.

Be Well.

Who of you is gullible enough to believe that Obama was unaware of Rev. Wright's racism and anti-American message?

Rev. Wright is neither racist nor anti American.

Johnson on the other hand is both.

Be Well.

Pennsylvania's primaries are not until mid-April. By then, enough time will have elapsed to have the matter of Obama's long-time connection with racial diviseness and racism and anti-Americanism, and hate-whitey, be a matter that will have been absorbed and settled by the voting public.

Posters on this board, who are on the lunatic left fringe, have come to defnd Obama and the racist hate-America preacher by declaring the observations he made are correct, and the hate he spouts justified. It's a "damn America" crowd here. We'll see how representative this group of posters is of the general American electorate.

Will Obama's defense of black racists and black racism, and hate-Americaism fly with normal Americans? We'll see.

..the idea that America deserves terrorist attacks and other horrendous disasters has long been a frequently expressed view among the faction of white evangelical ministers to whom the Republican Party is most inextricably linked.

I wish I was allowed to put that in 30 point type, it seems so obvious, yet..............

See, when God wants to punish America it's only because of what your side is doing, not mine.


Obama did not take responsibility for sticking with a Anti-American, disgusting, hateful, guy that Obama calls pastor.

Hating America's sins is not the equivilant of hating America, Murphy.

Not criticising America for it's sins is a sin in and of itself.

At least Rev. Wright addresses the real sins of America and doesn't try to put it all down to abortion and gays like the bigoted, hateful, homophobic, sexist, unAmerican evDEVILicals and Talibaptists do every Sunday.

Obama has no judgment--he should not be POTUS.

Obama has more and better judgement than Hillary and McCain combined by a huge factor.

We cannot trust him as he has not the scintilla of sense to be POTUS. He can't change his pastor and all the rest is political expediency.

Poor Murphy, she's so wrapped up in the sound bytes of hate that she's heard and repeats here. She listened to Obama speak and she caught the cadence but she never really heard him.

Spud knew he was expecting to much.

Who ya gonna vote for Murphy?

McCain? The philanderer, the whoremonger, the war monger, the liar, the gold digger, the angry, the crazy, the slow-witted, the alzenheimer case, the flip flopping PTSD case and economic idiot?

That guy?

Good luck with that in November.

Yer the right sex and age and color to be a Hillary gal.

Are you a Hillary Gal?

She's not as bad as McCain that's for sure but she's certainly not a good as Barack Obama.

Be Well.

Rev Wright's theory on the origin of AIDS is out there but after the Tuskeegee Airmen illegal syphilis medical experiments you can see why he might think that.

Can't you?

Spud--It is a lie--and the pastor puts that out there to the next generation to say it's the truth. He is lying and destructive and hateful. He has a bitter soul.

And a person can't pick their relative who is a racist SOB.

But everyone picks their pastor.

Spud--I do not have a Harvard degree--but it took me three months to leave a very destructive church after going there--I went on invite from my daughter's softball coach when the kids were very young. I tried going back to the Catholic church (that's another story).

3 months to leave after seeing one mother hit another child with a wooden spoon AFTER the mother gave permission to do it.

There are destructive churches out there and one have to be careful--look at Jim Jones for goodness sakes!

And I don't hate Obama and I really feel sorry for the pastor because he is stuck in the 50's and 60's and bitter and hateful and it eats at the soul of the person carrying the bitterness.

But if Obama never bothered to walk the walk and try to sit his pastor down and say "what you are preaching is wrong and is not reconciling any differences and not giving folks the real talk and stop the lies or the misconceptions--how is Obama going to do it for the country?

No doubt --there is the "hope" Obama will do something. But let's be realistic--he never bothered with with his mentor the pastor. So it is false "hope".

Obama's judgment is off cue and he did not take responsibility and just named another topic of concern that no one should talk about ever again.

Because Obama wants to talk to the country when he couldn't even talk to his pastor. It is a total disconnect.

It is Not going to work and the pastor is really scary--not just to whites but to blacks and the rest of the rainbow...

Murphy

"Poor Murphy, she's so wrapped up in the sound bytes of hate that she's heard and repeats here. She listened to Obama speak and she caught the cadence but she never really heard him." - Dethspud

I did, his Grandma's private utterances, are equivalent to RevWrights diatribes.

Garaldine Ferraro, is RevWrights equivalent....

Did you listen to his speech?

Hillarious....

well here is another question.

so this barry barak hussein obama is the man who is going to join us all together. he is going to push us all into the same place and make us like it. he will bring the country together and change the way we all think.
but in 20 years he had no influence whatsoever on the pastor of his church BUT he then made him a part of his campaign for the president of the US and then when he spews hatefilled garbage, we hear that...oh he's like your uncle who farts at thanksgiving..or something like that....
so in 20 years obama couldnt find the leadership to keep his own church from becoming just another sounding board for kooks....BUT HE WILL UNITE THE WHOLE COUNTRY AND THE WORLD.

I just 'aint' buyin it.
because he always had one option if he was worried about his political career or any public stance....HE COULD HAVE LEFT.
AGAIN< I dont think this little speach got him out of this.

but then you know me...I NEVER make predictions!

BL2 being from Texas I assume you would prefer to have another white racist president but I think those days are done. Texas will eventually be dragged in to the 21st century. I have always wondered BL@ were you friends with those guys from Jasper Texas who dragged that black guy behind their truck?

"Did you listen to his speech?

Hillarious....

Posted by AndreaMackris"

Did you? It was a great speech.

Obama is not off--but he may have stopped the gushing of blood from the episode.

LOL--that is a good try Spud that Obama pastor is condemning the sins of KKKAmerica, but still loves the sinner of KKKAmerica.

Wright is the same mold as Farrakan--and you must think he loves KKKAmerica also.


Murphy

Nulli,

What did I say....

I watched it, heard it, and read it, I won't remember it tommorrow.

It was a great speech why? will you remember it next year?

It was a great speech why? will you remember it next year?

All he knows is that that particular Viagra tablet didn't go to waste.

Pinche- what, no point by point rebuttal of Obama's speech? Have you even heard it, or are you too busy with the ad hom attacks on spud...

Spud and Murphy haff a li'l chat:

Spud: Rev Wright's theory on the origin of AIDS is out there but after the Tuskeegee Airmen illegal syphilis medical experiments you can see why he might think that.

Can't you?


Murphy: Spud--It is a lie--and the pastor puts that out there to the next generation to say it's the truth. He is lying and destructive and hateful. He has a bitter soul.

Wot's the lie Murphy? The Tuskeggee Airman thing is a horrific fact. The origin of AIDS is still in dispute. You can't prove that the AIDS thing is a lie but Spud can prove that the government experimented on black servicemen without their knowledge and consent. How is he lying? At worst you can say he's speculating without merit. How is he being destructive? How is he being hateful? How do you know he has a bitter soul based on a couple of cherry picked sound bytes that Hillary found and has gotten repeated on the MSM more often than the Dean Scream moment?

And a person can't pick their relative who is a racist SOB.

But everyone picks their pastor.


True, so what?

Spud--I do not have a Harvard degree--but it took me three months to leave a very destructive church after going there--I went on invite from my daughter's softball coach when the kids were very young. I tried going back to the Catholic church (that's another story).

3 months to leave after seeing one mother hit another child with a wooden spoon AFTER the mother gave permission to do it.


Spuid left the Catholic church not because he stopped believing in the existence of a God but because Spud outgrew the immorality of the church. If Spud hhadn't evolved spiritually beyond the immorality of the church Spud may well still be there.

There are destructive churches out there and one have to be careful--look at Jim Jones for goodness sakes!

Spud differentiates between a church and a cult. In a cult the leader uses his position of power usually to fuck all the women and to prevent the other men from fucking them. While Spud agrees that there are some very destructive churches Spud maintain that Jim Jones led a cult not a church. Like Manson or David Koresh.

TBC Be Well.

And I don't hate Obama and I really feel sorry for the pastor because he is stuck in the 50's and 60's and bitter and hateful and it eats at the soul of the person carrying the bitterness

What is your understanding of the black struggle for equality in America, Murphy? Rev. Wright served his country at a time when he would have been hard pressed to vote in it. If you imagine that racism is a thing of the past then you are woefully under-informed. What you see as bitterness, Spud sees as passion for truth and justice and criticism of sin. Those are all good things. The black church experience is quite a different thing from the white church experience. Hillary was banking on the fact that many whites do not understand that difference to scare people away from Obama and into her camp. It seems to have worked to a degree but the elction is a long way off and she simply doesn't have the numbers to compete.

But if Obama never bothered to walk the walk and try to sit his pastor down and say "what you are preaching is wrong and is not reconciling any differences and not giving folks the real talk and stop the lies or the misconceptions--how is Obama going to do it for the country?

What precisely is Rev. Wright saying that is wrong? Do you sit your preacher down after every sermon and tell what you thought was right and what was wrong? Are you that arrogant? Spud is looking for specifics, Murphy. You've bought into the notion that Rev. Wright is wrong without even trying to understand specifically what it is that you are talking about. Wot out of his twenty years of preaching specifically bothers you? Do you even have specifics beyond the AIDS origin thing? Anything at all? The "God Damn America" quote? Do you understand the context? Rev. Wright was merely saying that God will not look kindly on America's sins. Other preachers in white churches preach this message every Sunday without anyone thinking twice about it, of course, they usually do it a little bit more low key but not always. Not always.

No doubt --there is the "hope" Obama will do something. But let's be realistic--he never bothered with with his mentor the pastor. So it is false "hope".

There is never anything false about hope, Murphy.

Without hope the human spirit withers and dies.

Again, what specifically are you talking about. Think, Murphy, you've bought into the notion that Rev Wright is wrong and yet you cite no examples. You take it as a given. Can't you see how wrong that is?

It is Not going to work and the pastor is really scary--not just to whites but to blacks and the rest of the rainbow...

No, Murphy what is really scary is the way you jumped to your conclusions without any evidence. You are not making arguments you are making judgements, pronouncements, without saying why you are doing so. That's very unChristian of you Murphy and most illogical.

Why is Wright scary to whites?
Wy is Wright scary to blacks?
Why is Wright scary to the rest of the rainbow?

You make no sense.

Spud is very disappointed in you.

Do try again and this time a little more effort, okay?

Be Well.

Obama has no credibility for walking the walk since he did nothing for his pastor and he had no judgment for the failure to take responsibility for his lack of action.

Like I posted--It took me three months to leave a destructive church and Obama stayed for 20 years.

It's called political expendiency. He needed the church votes for his run for the ILL Senate. And he needed Rezko.

Now it's not so great but he throws his grandmother under the bus and not the pastor??

He may win the nomination only because this didn't come out in January when the press should have been doing their job and vetting this guy.

But he will lose to McCain and it will be 20 points and electoral vote will be almost a landslide.

Sorry Obamaites...

Murphy

Mao said this: "a candidate who operates within the same power-structure you claim to despise"

Which is absolutely true. Obama is no radical at all.


But then, apparently forgetting what he wrote in the previous paragraph, Mao makes this lunatic statement:

"whose shit politics make Trotsky look like Bill Buckley."


From a good member of the corporate elite to Trotskyist in one paragraph. Good stuff.

Murphy- So many things can happen between now and November. Trying to predict who will be president is a pointless exercise.

From a good member of the corporate elite to Trotskyist in one paragraph. Good stuff.

Posted by nullifidian at 2008-03-19 12:14 AM | Reply | Flag:

Well, pinche DID vote for Hillary...lol

"I watched it, heard it, and read it, I won't remember it tommorrow."

Of course not. You're a Bushie. Anybody who is still a Bushie at this late date can't be expected to be taken seriously.

Now it's not so great but he throws his grandmother under the bus and not the pastor??

BS. He rebuked the pastor in very strong terms. Many times.

McCain's pulpit butthole hagee has said far worse than Obama's pastor. Robertson said worse, so did falwell. No one kicked the asses of the candidates they endorsed for their comments.

The hagee story lasted, what, a day? Give me a break.

Yes--the tea leaves have not been grown yet to predict the outsome.

Spud have to get back with you tomorrow on your points.

But basically Obama is a dunderhead and his pastor is anti_american and hateful.

Good try to say he is condenming the sin of American and not America--

I don't want this pastor anywhere around me my family my kids or my life or my country. And Obama will have him in the east wing--No Thanks!

He is a hateful idiot that brings shame and embarrassment to blacks everywhere and Obama thinks it's all just swell.

Bad judgment and he has no business being our next POTUS. And he won't be POTUS.

Ask Ray--the whole thing is rigged for Hillary--I thought he was crazy, but appears I was wrong.

Murphy

"Of course not. You're a Bushie. Anybody who is still a Bushie at this late date can't be expected to be taken seriously." Nulli

Nice deflection...so it wasn't that great of a speech...thanks for playing

NEXT! ;)

As the economy crashes and burns, Andrea will walk among the wreckage wearing her Bush button and mumbling "4 more years".

Yeah, murphy- I'm sure Obama's pastor was the deal breaker, and NOW you won't vote for him.

Uh huh.

Mao tries to make a point!

Oh goody let's see if he achieves anything but fail!

Yet you fall over yourself to fellate a candidate who operates within the same power-structure you claim to despise---simply because you're too fucking stupid to seperate the fuzzy feeling you get from rhetoric from the glaring lack of policy specifics presented thus far.

Au contraire mon frere.

It's Obama's policies and judgement that drew Spud to him as a candidate in the first place. He's a policy wonk first and a pol second. Hillary and Obama shares basic policy structure but Hills history belies her brave words and Spud knows she is only saying wot her focus groups tell her the public want to hear. In point of fact, Dennis Kucinich was Spud first choice but because the electorate still seems to think they are voting for a Prom King rather electing a POTUS based purely on policy Spud had to drop that notion.

McLame isn't even worth considering from a policy perspective even if he wasn't an immoral, older than dirt whackjob.

Add to the mix the fact that you're a stereo-typical young, white, self-loathing liberal who views Obama Hussein's candidacy as some sort of atonement for everything you've heretofore depised about your culture---and you've got the perfect receipe for the kind of sycophantic and unreasoned frenzy of support for your Numinous Negro.

Ah the "Hussein" and "Numinous Negro" thing yet again. Yer closet racism is peeking out of the closet and waving at everyone when you do that, you know. No, you prolly don't know or don't care. Maybe both.

The classic "The only reason Whites are voting for him is white liberal guilt" argument again? Don't you have any others? Really? That's it? How sad. Spud isn't ashamed of being white and isn't particularily guilty about anything. Except maybe wasting his time thinking that Mao might have actually made a real argument for a change rather engage in the back slapping fest and circle jerk of one that are your posts.

You fail again, Maoser.

TBC Be Well.

Spud and Mao cont...

What are you going to do when he doesn't get the nomination?

Or win the election?

Kill yourself?


You so funny Mao! ^_^

No, Spud is aware of the mental deficiencies of America's Joe and Jane Lunchpail set and the way the MSM leads them around by the nose making them think up is down and day is night just cos they can. Nope, Spud'll just resign himself to observing America's comeuppance, that is coming as surely as day follows night. America voted for BushCo twice. If America votes fer ClintCo or McLame this time around (it dsoesn't really matter which, quite frankly) Then America will no doubt continue it's slide into fascism and moral/economic decay.

Your empire will die an ugly death eventually if basic changes are not made in time. That much is inevitable. Wot will you do then, Mao? Masturbate to a picture of Ronnie Raygun and convince yerself you saw it coming all along? Prolly. Yer capacity for self delusion seems almost boundless, you small, sad, pathetic man.

You need to get a handle on shit and quit embarassing yourself---calling people "racists" and "Nazis" because they're not jerking themselves off to the idea of handing the country over to a political juvenile whose shit politics make Trotsky look like Bill Buckley

Woo Hoo a Trotsky reference? Still swinging at them ghosts, Mao? Quelle suprise! Let it go, big guy. Stalin is dead. You, on the other hand, have the intellectual equivilant of an ice pick to the forward thing going on, big time.

There's very little left left in the US government you silly, silly man. Very little true conservatism too, as a matter of fact. You are so deluded and out of touch with reality Spud is suprised he even bothers with you anymore. Life is triage. You save the ones who can be saved and then you move on. Spud shoulda moved on from Mao a long time ago but it's so rare that blogworld sees such a hilarious overly erudite troll as yerself. You and Johnson really, that's about it. The other trolls are just schmucks but you and Johnson's brand of crazy? That's just special, innit?

Spoud thinks so.

Be Well.

McCain's pulpit butthole hagee has said far worse than Obama's pastor. Robertson said worse, so did falwell. No one kicked the asses of the candidates they endorsed for their comments.

The hagee story lasted, what, a day? Give me a break.

Posted by Alexandrite

I Wonder Why, A Man Calls Methodist The Anti-Christ Wants To Nuke The US State Department That Is ALL OK, I Wonder Why ? What Is The Difference Between Wright And Them ? Hmmmmmmm Would That Not Be called......

-Sarge

Oh nulli,

The world is obviously more complicated than you appear to acknowledge, or is it understand....

check your email, for some fun!

Unfortunately, Obama was telling the truth.........
dyn.politico.com

He didnt lose Tx. Add the the primary and the cacaus and Obama won TX friend.

Rcade, not sure if it's just my computer, but this thread seems to have some technical issue re: the order of the posts...
POSTED BY REGIME_CHANGE AT 2008-03-18 12:53 PM | REPLY | FLAG:


I also noticed that the thread was acting funny but I thought it was the Vsat. Glad someone else noticed that.

About five minutes into it, I felt a lump, a LUMP in my throat. I was choking up!
Posted by bellaspapa at 2008-03-18 01:20 PM | Reply |


I am going to puke now.

Jeez, Walt.

That kind of viciousness leads me to believe this issue hits a little close to home with you.

How are your grandkids, Demetrius and LaShaunda, doing by the way?
POSTED BY ANTON AT 2008-03-18 01:35 PM | REPLY | FLAG:


Maybe. I can't stand when people start tossing around the race card. It is tired and old. I don't do the tap dance. I realize that some people are prone to acting a certain way. Is it racist to think that Brits are snobs or that New Yorkers are assholes? I don't think so, and there are always exceptions.

Posted by Walt at 2008-03-18 12:21 PM"

Try "Walt Is A Pole Smoker." You'll get millions of hits.
POSTED BY MONTECORE AT 2008-03-18 01:58 PM | REPLY | FLAG:


I tried it, mostly about some guys with the last names of Whitman and Disney.

Don't be surprised Rcade, most Socialist and Communist dictators thought their "visions" were bigger too.

This is a dodge, Walt. Every politician has a vision for the country. Are you reluctant to discuss why your first take on this speech was a sleazy accusation about Obama's parentage?
POSTED BY RCADE AT 2008-03-18 05:15 PM | REPLY | FLAG:


True, they all do have visions, fortunately most are not as lefty liberal as yours and Oblahmas.

Did some fish n chipper just complain about vitriol and bile? For fucking real? Racism is alive and well in jolly old england, not to mention you some how have nukes and Hooliganism.

You have Lennox Lewis, and not one other black person. You lack perspective...
POSTED BY 101CHAIRBORNE AT 2008-03-18 06:54 PM | REPLY | FLAG:


LOL. British people are as racist as they come. Ask them what they think of immigrants. Doing a lot of good there eh? What about those race riots in what was it 2001? Nothing but peace and caring over there. The only group of people I have met who are more racist than the Brits are the Ozzies.

Cheers,
Walt

"Unfortunately, Obama was telling the truth........."

Actually, it was Wright who was speaking inconvenient truths, except for that nonsense about AIDS.

It's amusing to hear a Bushie claim the world is complicated. Hahahaha. That's rich. If you think the world is "complicated" why would you support a braindead moron with a black and white world view who likes to play cowboy?

I want to address the comments that have been made here about how anyone white or republican who is speaking against Obama's relationship with his pastor and the pastor's comments. It has been said that we are either bigoted, racist, or fearful, as even Obama stated.

I am a white male, 39, who leans right. I happen to love black people, their culture, and what they offer to society. While I know that I will never be able to fully understand their experience of growing up and living in this country, I have and always will try to learn from them. I do this mostly by one on one conversations with friends, but also watch and listen to prominent black thinkers such as Dr. Cornell West. I also listen to a black radio station on XM called The Power to get insight.

The reason I say this is because when I hear the things that Obama's pastor has said I take great offence to it because he doesn't differentiate, he simply casts all white's, especially white men, as being nothing more than oppressors and racists. The fact is, the majority of us are not how he would like his congregation to believe. While I agree that there has been inherent racism in government, I also know that DC is nothing but a bunch of old men who are stuck in whatever decade they were born in. But, the vast majority of white republicans are vehemently against racism or oppression and want to see nothing but good things for black people in America.

The point is that I view a black person just like I view a white person. I know that we are created equal and I judge on character not skin color and I didn't get that mindset from MLK Jr.

So, when you people on the left on this board continue to say things like all republicans are racist and that we are trying to drag this issue down into the muck, you are just wrong. For the record, the issue is in the muck thanks to the pastor. He's the one you have to thank for this. But whatever you do, try to stop your over-generalization, stereotyping, and accusations of racism towards anyone who has a problem with what the pastor has said and the fact that Obama was affiliated with him for so long and how he will not denounce him.

"The Antichrist is probably a Jew alive in Israel today."
-Pat Robertson
As quoted in "The Christian Paradox", Harper's Magazine (August 2005

We're importing Hinduism into America. The whole thought of your karma, of meditation, of the fact that there's no end of life and there's this endless wheel of life, this is all Hinduism. Chanting too. Many of those chants are to Hindu Gods -- Vishnu, Hare Krishna. The origin of it is all demonic. We can't let that stuff come into America. We've got the best defense, if you will -- a good offense
-Pat Robertson

www.sullivan-county.com

You All Disregard Robertsons Hate Which Is Worse Than Wrights But He Gets A Pass; Why ?

-Sarge

Sput, what are going to do if McCain gets elected? Jump off yer trailer and hurt yerself?

It was a fine speech full of a lot of blah blah blah but america is already tired of speeches.

He still has no executive experience. I doubt if something serious happens people will wait a week for Obama to craft a speech and fix it.

Sput, you can keep ignoring all the realities associated with Obama and just attacking the other candidates but people who think for themselves will ignore you because you are already in the bag for Obama and are not going to change yer mind no matter what happens.


"Actually, it was Wright who was speaking inconvenient truths, except for that nonsense about AIDS." - Nulli

Didn't read the link did you....it shows....good luck in the fall....

"The feminist agenda is not about equal rights for women. It is about a socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians."

-Pat Robertson1992 Iowa fund raising letter opposing a state equal-rights amendment ("Equal Rights Initiative in Iowa Attacked", Washington Post, 23 August 1992);

Oh So Very Sweet Loving And Caring, What A Benevolent Pastor To The Presidents For The Last "40" Years.

-Sarge

"Didn't read the link did you....it shows....good luck in the fall....

Posted by AndreaMackris"


Yes, I did read the link. Obama is a politician. No big news there. I'm not an Obamaite, Andrea. I'll will defend him against the moronic shit thrown at him by the Right, though.

The true Negro does not want integration... He realizes his potential is far better among his own race... It will destroy our race eventually... In one northern city, a pastor friend of mine tells me that a couple of opposite race live next door to his church as man and wife... It boils down to whether we are going to take God's Word as final

-Jerry Falwell
(2001). "The Nation's Best Bible College Gets Low Grades on Racial Diversity".

No That Not Racist Ah That Is Ok, It Means Nothing.... Now Lets Get On That Rev Wright

-Sarge

Hagee's attack against Christian antisemitism in his book Jerusalem Countdown contained the following:

Adolf Hitler attended a Catholic school as a child and heard all the fiery anti-Semitic rantings from Chrysostom to Martin Luther. When Hitler became a global demonic monster, the Catholic Church and Pope Pius XII never, ever slightly criticized him. Pope Pius XII, called by historians 'Hitler's Pope,' joined Hitler in the infamous Concordat of Collaboration, which turned the youth of the [sic] Germany over to Nazism, and the churches became the stage background for the bloodthirsty cry, 'Pereat Judea'[19].... In all of his [Hitler's] years of absolute brutality, he was never denounced or even scolded by Pope Pius XII or any Catholic leader in the world. To those Christians who believe that Jewish hearts will be warmed by the sight of the cross, please be informed--to them it's an electric chair. (pp. 79-81)

-John Hagee

What A Wonderful Man Of The Cross, Oh That States Jesus Was Not The Messiah, Hmmm Just Like Farrakhan Does.

Where is The Outrage, Where Is The Condemnation ?

-Sarge

John Hagee Jesus NOT Messiah

www.youtube.com

He Gets A Pass, Not Pissed Off At Him

-Sarge

I was surprised to see the speech. I was having dinner when it came on CNNI. I have BBC World, AL Jazeera (English), and CNNI for news. So that is the only reason I would have had CNNI on just for the record.

I listened to about 5 minutes of his racist rant about blacks and whites and all that BS. When I want to hear some black man preach to me about racial crap I will go to a black church.

Why is it ok to make jokes about rednecks and insult people from the entire State of West Virginia, but heaven help you if you dare make fun of some ghetto ass clown with pants around their ankles, a hat on sideways, and car that pops up and down with a stereo that break glass?

I have no problem with rational black people, it is those stupid gangsta wannabes and their ilk, both black and white. What do you expect me to think of some assclown with a fake gold and silver, jewel encrusted mouth? Do you honestly expect me to hire that sort of freak?

What about all the ones that you can barely understand what they are saying? Why would I want to hire some crack head like that?

Do I really want someone named Rosheqwanda answering my phones? "Yo, Rosheqwanda on the line for shizzle, whachu want?" Please.

I am not ever referring to the ones who are normal. I have no problem with normal people of any race.

Sarge,

I want reconciliation too, yet you consider me a bigot for mentioning that promoting black supremacy and racism will not lead to reconciliation.

Honestly I read Zero on Dominance, Superiority, or Segregation. They have white members of the Church, nothing about hating Jews or "Whore Religion Catholics", nor DENY Jesus was The Messiah.

-Sarge

"I am not ever referring to the ones who are normal. I have no problem with normal people of any race."

Posted by Walt at 2008-03-19 01:43 AM

Walt I agree with you 100%, you during your time in the US are were a leader of Soldiers of every Race Creed and Color. You were responsible to them and they to you, you expected a "Standard" to complete what ever mission that was tasked. All that stated you will dot accept short comings neither do I, Silly Talk, Saggy Pants, Bejeweled Teeth is insanely silly. Some call it "Cultural Fads", I shake my head at it and carry on. Blaming others for short comings and poor behavior is total BS to me, if you can't show me that someone "Screwed You" over don't Bitch about it. I treat Black, White, Brown, Yellow, and what ever the same if you are cool than you are cool; if you are an Asshole then you are an Asshole Regardless of your Race, Creed, or Color. I have life long friends Yellow,Black, White and Brown because we think alike not that our skin colors are alike. Now if asked if I have Family and Friends with some truly Fucked up ideas I do, do I share them ? No I'm my own person and I do my own thoughts, Ideas and speak for myself.

-Sarge

Walt thinks he's "normal". Good Looooord I hope he's wrong.

Posted by BetelG at 2008-03-19 02:22 AM | Reply

Troll

yes walt you are

"He still has no executive experience"

you mean the experience on how to best lie to the ammerican people as to better give himself and his party power and money

you mean the experience that let us go to war pre-emptively, something that the usa has NEVER done before. The experience to go to war out of revenge.

how bout the experience to change ones mind about moral stances taken 4 plus years ago to get a few extra endorsements

how bout the experience of managing the countries economics based on more then what reagan did in the 80's

we chose people who think outside of the box for all jobs in this country, and usually the ones that do and have new insites are our biggest success stories, yet for the office of the president we want a clone of the previous president, who out right sucked

when i watch all the other candidates speak, im disgusted by them and their typical politcal rhetoric and out of touch ideals.

not with barack, he is leagues ahead

You posted a BS story that was shown to be false

Now who's lying Rogue? The story was 100% true. I made a mistake about there not being a link from the homepage, but you can't deny that as soon as Obama announced for president, they airbrushed the churches racist history and started adding white faces. And the Black Value System the church preaches goes to show "why" a-holes like Farrahkan get "honored" at Trinity... becuase he's one of the ALL BLACK LEADERS they're required to "PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO".

Obama's a black separatist racist... and has been for over twenty years. HEIL FARRAKHAN! HEIL WRIGHT! Blackness uber alles!

How much do the members of Obama's Trinity Church love Louis Farrakhan? Just look yourself. The church magazine is practically "gushing" at this respected and honoured leader and practictioner of The Black Value System that Obama has PLEDGED ALLEGIANCE TO.

"Now who's lying Rogue?"

You are, were, and probably will continue to do so.

But that's OK, everyone knows it now and you've been exposed for what you really are.

LOL! I think people have seen who's been exposed Rogue.

Liberals like you who give racist minorities like the Obama's a "pass" and encourage them to continue to pledge their allegiance to black power.

i see that plantation boy is still trying to prove obama is a racist

proving others are racist doesn't help you prove you are not one

in fact it shows how racist you really are.

So SA Rogue... what's Obama's PLAN for effecting racial reconciliation? All he's done so far is to sit in a pew for twenty years (+) hoping for change and shouting "AMEN!" to Reverend Wright's every racial attack.

He claims to be an agent of "change". But his actions prove he's just part of the AMEN CHORUS for some of the worst bigots in America!

Hypocrite, thy name is Obama!

Really, Kliffy? What's that make YOU then?

I didn't start out to prove Obama a racist. But now that it's done, how is a racist like Obama going to heal the racial divisions in this country?

Make a speech?

I'd rather listen to a whore preach abstinence! Oh, I guess we all just did. Obama on race...

"Liberals like you who give racist minorities like the Obama's a 'pass'"

Read carefully, concentrate REAL hard, and try to comprehend. I didn't give anybody a pass - most particularly you. You see, I don't have a problem with anybody who has a legitimate difference of opinion on any topic.

What I do have a problem with is people who post false information and then continue to defend it long after it has been proven false.

Your contention has been that Trinity recently "scrubbed" their website of all references to Black Ethics, and Wright's history. I showed you that all of it is still there, exactly where its always been.

The only thing different on the site is that after this issue broke last week, they posted video rebuttal opinions by the General Minister of the UCC and the UCC Conference Minister for Northern Ohio. Now THAT is really insidious and sinister.

Farmer, you got sucked in by a bogus report, just like Kristol did. The key difference being that he was a big enough man to own up to his error. You are not.

"I didn't start out to prove Obama a racist."
you have only proven YOU plantation boy are a racist

"Hypocrite, thy name is Farmer John"

But is ISN'T "exactly as it always was". It has changed as proved in all my posts (minus one mistake) AND here.

So suck it up SA Rogue and stop trying to make out like there's a moral equivalence about making a mistake about whether a "link" was wrong to a church preaching a racist screed and praising the likes of Louis Farrakhan,

LOL! Klifferd, having just used your own logic to prove yourself a racist, I doubt you even know the meaning of the word...

So when are one of you genius' gonna answer my question. How is a hypocrite like Obama, who's spent the last twenty years taking the black power pledge, gonna heal the racial divisions in this country?

OK Farmer, I must now conclude that you may be just plain dumb, as well as dishonest.

Go back and look at your own "Sweetness-Light" link again.

All the information that was once lumped on the "About Us" page is still on the site, but now on 2 pages.

The stuff you claim was "scrubbed" from the site is now not on the "About Us" page, but has its very own direct link on the "Home Page".

You didn't just make a mistake about a link - you made a mistake about the entire premise of the article. A false premise that you bought into, perpetuated, and defended. And continuing to perpetuate a "mistake" moves it directly into the realm of being a flat out lie.

Keep an eye on that pesky old 9th Commandment Farmer, it will trip you up every time.

With 542 preceding comments I just did a quick scan to catch up on the general drift. A lot of the comments follow rightwingradio's lead. I tuned in three of the local ranters today and all of them had minutely parsed the speech, picking out the odd sentence here and there so that they could mock and sneer.

I hear that Laura Ingraham was doing the same nationally and no doubt FOX and Limbaugh are doing their thing too.

It wouldn't be true but you could be forgiven for believing that the right only exists to enable a few thousand well-known media types, bloggers and "thinkers" to earn a good living by stirring up shit against what they perceive to be "the left". That is, everything and anything that threatens their physically and mentally comfortable cocoon.

It wouldn't be true because some on the right like Andrew Sullivan can keep their conservative ideals but look at their colleagues' response to Obama's speech and conclude:

"For me, this is an epiphany of sorts. Not that I have changed my mind about the things I wrote in "The Conservative Soul." Not that I have stopped believing in limited government, individual freedom, personal responsibility, pragmatic change. But I have come to believe that large swathes of today's conservative movement truly are hateful."

haha farmer john, i'm a racist lol

you don't know me at all

you probably think i'm white

and now that i said that you think i'm black

how bout you show me what OBAMA said that was racist?

how bout you show me what OBAMA said that was about black power.

instead of what the trinity website says about itself.

louis farrakhan is a racist anti semite but he's still well respected amongst the entirity of the black community. so of course he's going to have links to trinity
and probably every other black orginization good or bad in america.

so your links to farrakhan are there purely for you personal racist agenda without any knowledge of reality or how the world works... everybody has links to racism

i be you get drunk with yer friends and shout ni**er all the time

oh please......damn klifferd.........still on or back on......you need to get a woman. I would have said get a job but a woman sounds better. LOL
it is very simple this question of hypocracy. the left are the guardian angels of the god of hypocracy whose name was.............well I went blank here but trust me. it was going to be really funny.
so imagine, if you will in a small town in south Louisianna, david duke is on a podium telling everyone who is there that blacks are at fault for greasy food and menthol cigs and those damn moon pies have to go. the left here would come UNGLUED with rage and anger and it would all be just fine.
AGAIN, when bush spoke at bob jones, you should have read the comments here. people RIGHT HERE were going OUT OF THIER MIND with anger. and mccain and falwell got together to settle differences and RIGHT HERE it sounded like mccain wanted a modern inqusition.....AND NODOBY EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION.....( you have to be a certain age to get that last line)........
and as I said earlier as well......think of the trent lott case and you cant help but see the hypocracy alive and well in the leftists movement.
but here is the spiritual advisor to the black presidential candidate and oh.......thaaaaaaaaaats okay...the little darlin can talk REAAALL GOod do lets forget all about that hatefull, racist, class warfar monger because if we dont.....we might be considered prejudiced.
AND ONE MORE THING...........damn....the celtics played good.

What you don't get, SA Rogue, is that the Black Value System used to be part of the churches MISSION STATEMENT... which is like a corporate charter... and now it's just an "incidental link".

It's not just a "minor website" prettifying re-arrangement... it's a REORIENTATION of the churches MISSION, and represents the "core" of what that church is trying to do in the community.

and the nobody expects the spanish inquisition, history of the world part I????

"How much do the members of Obama's Trinity Church love Louis Farrakhan? Just look yourself. The church magazine is practically "gushing" at this respected and honoured leader and practictioner of The Black Value System that Obama has PLEDGED ALLEGIANCE TO."

They just can't see it. If you're really so tight with Louis Farrakhan and Jeremiah Wright (for twenty years) most people are going to consider you a part of that association. Obama is just a political animal like all other politicians. He IS NOT going to bash Wright or Farrakhan because all their followers will immediately turn on him and label him an "Uncle Tom." On the other hand, he has to find a way to ensure the REMAINING American voters that he doesn't subscribe to their beliefs. That's a stretch, as far as I am concerned. Here's a list of just a few notable African-Americans I think are honorable and whom I respect, of course Wright's congregation would consider them all "Uncle Toms." They are patriots and have not done so badly in the United States of KKKAmerica. Neither has Wright (or Obama) for that matter.


en.wikipedia.org

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Trouble is also that most Americans are so propagandised and dumbed down that they are falling for this cheap trick like the simple minded children they mostly are.

Be Well.

Posted by dethspud


Ain't that the truth. This morning on TV a lot of the talk was whether Obama's speech was "too smart" or "too long" or "too nuanced" for the AMerican people at large.

OF COURSE IT WAS, but he only needs to win over slightly more than half.

In the skit, Chase and Pryor face one another and trade off racial epithets during a segment of Weekend Update. Chase calls Pryor a "porch monkey." Pryor responds with "honky." Chase ups the ante with "jungle bunny." Pryor, unable to counter with a more vicious slur against whites, responds with "honky, honky." Chase then trumps all previous slurs with "nigger," to which Pryor responds: "dead honky

I think the Left believes there's an easy way of achieving racial conciliation without having to confront the racist elements within the minority communities as strongly as they've confronted the white community for over forty years.

At some point, the Obama's of the world need to get called out for their hypocrisy. Now's as good a time to start as any.

Trouble is also that most Americans are so propagandised and dumbed down that they are falling for this cheap trick like the simple minded children they mostly are.

Posted by dethspud


I can't believe this, Spud. Some are that way, but most are not despite, as Midiman says, TV talk about the speech being "too smart", "too long" or "too nuanced".

What they mean is it's "too smart", "too long" or "too nuanced" for them. It's too difficult to slice and dice its 38 minutes so that it can be fitted between the commercials they smack you upside the head with every 6 or 7 minutes. That's what will dumb you down, watching TV without a DVR.

Next stop, idiots like Tavis Smiley...

I could never understand our little leftist friends and their complete idolization of their political favorites. I think it all started with McCarthy (and Robert Kennedy.) It has continued on through Howeird Dean up to Obama at the present. They are all just politicians who'll say or do whatever to be elected. I mean, our little leftist friends get PHYSICAL and go nuts over some candidate who probably thinks they are tools. Obama is a nice guy and an excellent public speaker, but c'mon, he's just another candidate trying to get elected. I can't understand "loving" or "hating" ANY political candidate.

elections.foxnews.com

Before Wright Firestorm, Obama Called for Imus Firing
by FOXNews.com
Tuesday, March 18, 2008


"I could never understand our little leftist friends and their complete idolization of their political favorites."

Oh puhleeeeez.....Saint Ronnie Raygun has been worshipped by righties for decades now.

"Next stop, idiots like Tavis Smiley.. Posted by Farmer John"

"NOW BE IT RESOLVED that the undersigned are committed to the spirit of the Covenant with Black America, which ignites our efforts to achieve one America. We pledge to address every aspect of these issues--social, economic, political, and cultural--in our areas of leadership to improve the plight of Black Americans across this great nation. To this end, WE FURTHER RESOLVE to marshal our efforts as appropriate to ensure that our constituents are informed of The Covenant issues, so that together we shall promote progress and better standards of life for Black Americans. For when we make Black America better, we make all of America better."

That diabolical BASTARD! How dare he suggest working toward one America and making all of America better!

littlegreenfootballs.com

Obama's Church Web Site 'Disappears' the 'Black Value System' (Update: They Missed a PDF)
Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 9:10:37 am PST

How dare he suggest working toward one America and making all of America better!

There's nothing wrong with that. What's wrong is that he proposes doing it through an intermediary step that first divides the nation along racial lines... a "Covenant with Black America" instead of a "Covenant with America". You don't achieve unity by calling upon people to become two.

Kerrin - perhaps you've missed the little ongoing discussion throughout this thread about this false report that the church is somehow removing or "scrubbing" controversial info from their site.

And from your source, they didn't "miss a PDF". The very same information about the Black Value System is still right there for all to see. It has its very own page on the site accessed by a link on the Home Page.

www.tucc.org

It was pure damage control, nothing more. He's feeling what it's like to be a real politician.

"What's wrong is that he proposes doing it through an intermediary step that first divides the nation along racial lines.."

The nation is already divided along racial lines to a large degree. Smiley is calling on Blacks in leadership roles to work toward eliminating those lines and building a stronger ONE America.

You are truly paranoid.

"Oh puhleeeeez.....Saint Ronnie Raygun has been worshipped by righties for decades now."

Uou had to go back a long way to find THAT comment, didn't you, Danni? Strange though, I don't remember anything like riots, wild demonstrations, Code Pink organizations or any activities like that for Reagan. I recall that lots of Democrats voted for him too. I DID respect him (and JFK,) however, more than MOST candidates during my lifetime.

According to all the polls I have seen about this speech it is sinking like a rock boat in the middle of the ocean.

Bee Swell

Smiley is calling on Blacks in leadership roles to work toward eliminating those lines and building a stronger ONE America.

You are truly paranoid.

Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2008-03-19 09:51 AM |

If Tavis had reached out to previous participants of "his event, " or did an on-line survey on "His" website, I'm sure that the overwhelming majority of participants would say, Let Michelle Obama speak on behalf of her husband. But that is not what his self serving, black self hating, echo told him to do. He wanted Barack to come kiss his ring, just like so many other alleged black leaders want him to do. I'm glad that there are many non-politically correct sisters and brothers that are calling Tavis on it.

aapoliticalopinion.blogspot.co
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This is some of the typical african american responses to anyone of their color who has the nerve to become succesful. Immediatly they are dubbed Uncle Toms and accused of going to the enemies side. Which is why Barrack can't point out the successes of those like Smiley, Cosby, Swan Steele, Sewell...I am curious why Barrack felt he needed to defend Wrights position when he simply could have pointed out the many, many african americans who have found the american dream.

There's still a color line in America; it may have been moved up, but it's still there," said the Rev. Al Sharpton, a failed presidential candidate four years ago. "Contrast that with a black man a breath away from the White House. Well, America always had the capacity to let one black get through. ... The issue is whether all of us rise."


I guess I missed Barracks reponse to this comment about letting one black through. I guess it is more important to defend his spiriual advisor. Even though his comments mirror those of Al, Jesse and Company.

can Obama simply answer the simple question......Why did he uninvite Wright from being present at his announcement to run.

"According to all the polls I have seen about this speech it is sinking like a rock boat"

Links?

Obama made a good and necessary speech about race, made necessary by his continued relationship with a political liability like Wright.

What he did not do is adequately address the anti-American sentiment displayed by his Pastor and his church.

Lots of Americans are not satisfied with what he said in this regard, particularly the blue-collar Dem base, specifically the old "Reagan Dems", who are given new life and pointed directly towards John McCain if Obama is the nominee.

Corky you have a good point all he had to do was say things like: "well obviously folks, the US Governemnt did not invent AIDS as a means of killing black people,this guy is way too over the top"......
in fact he did not even come CLOSE to saying anything like that...WHY?

becAUSE THIS IS HIS CROWD, THIS IS HIS SLICE OF SOCIETY THAT HE DWELLS IN. IF HE does not go any further in this election process he will need a home to return to. Can i get an "AMEN".

-Shrillary takes some of the most nutty things that Rev. Wright sed in his 20 years as a Pastor of Trinity and feeds those sound bytes to the MSM

Ah, the Tottering Tater has proof of HRC being the source of these DVD compilations and evidence that she spread it to the MSM.

GREAT! Let's see it..... or is that just another half-baked lie?



"...his comments mirror those of Al, Jesse and Company."

I'm painting my house this summer. Where can I get a brush that broad?

Lots of Americans are not satisfied with what he said in this regard, particularly the blue-collar Dem base, specifically the old "Reagan Dems", who are given new life and pointed directly towards John McCain if Obama is the nominee.

I see someone is a big Joe Scarborough and Pat Buchanan fan.

"Corky you have a good point all he had to do was say things like: "well obviously folks, the US Governemnt did not invent AIDS as a means of killing black people,this guy is way too over the top"......
in fact he did not even come CLOSE to saying anything like that...WHY?"

You answered your own question. If he did that, all the followers, all the Farrakhan idiots, all the militants would turn on him like they did Cosby and Obama would become an "Uncle Tom." He didn't even come close to "healing" or "closing the divide."

I'm painting my house this summer. Where can I get a brush that broad?

Posted by Danforth at 2008-03-19 10:55 AM | Reply


I imagine the same place Danni buys her loofa.

-I see someone is a big Joe Scarborough and Pat Buchanan fan.

I see that you and SA watch way too much of the Obamasoft News Network, where Obama tingles up their thighs, creating Hard Balls.

yeah man, he triangulated.

(paraphrasing):" some of you may disagree with what he says, in fact even I disagree with SOME of what he says,......BUT i cannot disown him, he is very important , close, special to me. "


supposed to look OK from both sides, ain't it?

The one thing I don't hear many people saying is whether they truthfully believe Obama agrees with the worst comments of Rev. Wright or if they don't really believe that it is far more likely that Obama tolerated the rantings of an angry old man who had felt discrimination much of his life. That Obama was able to gain from this man just as I did from my own father who had racist tendencies too. It is so easy to judge Obama's tolerance of this man but it is simplistic to believe that his tolerance wasn't justified by the life experiences that Rev. Wright and his generation of black men did endure. Are there still Jewish people from the Holocaust era who have problems with Germans??? Should they, at 70 or 80 years old, be rejected as haters or tolerated as survivors who's life experience was altered by the experiences they had?
White America judging the comments of a 70 year old black man is the height of hypocrisy.

The nation is already divided along racial lines to a large degree...

And Smiley is doing everything in his power to ensure that it REMAINS that way. Why isn't Tavis calling for a multi-racial approach? Why isn't Tavis reaching out to other minority/ majority communities? There's only one reason. It keeps Tavis at the top of "his half"...Black America. His call for "unification" is a "perpetual" one, that prefers and emphasizes a faulty means to a therefore "ever elusive" end.

I think the easiest way to put this into perspective would be to bring up the FACT that the vast majority of white people of the Boomer Generation in the South were raised by openly racist people. People who did, daily discriminate and mistreat black people. People who fought integration, who felt miscegnation should be a crime. People who did look the other way when violent crimes were committed against black people, especially black men. Those white boomers today are pretty well adjusted and most really aren't racists but do they still have relationships, and respect for their elders, many or most of whom still hold their prejudices and animosities. Any honest southerner either has parents like I describe or at least know others who do. Expecting different from Obama because he is on the other side of the racial divide is just self-serving hyposcrisy and is being seen by many hypocrits as a way to bring down Obama. I doubt that very many have sincere belief that Obama is in the slightest bit racist though many will pretend that they do.

You can't make a 'good' stew by obsessively cooking all the ingredients in separate pots... Especially when all the ingredients are "most" comfortable stewing in their own juices.

White America judging the comments of a 70 year old black man is the height of hypocrisy.

Posted by danni at 2008-03-19 11:10 AM | Reply

Classic.

"White America judging the comments of a 70 year old black man is the height of hypocrisy."

OK, Danni, we'll just assume he has Alzheimers and that he doesn't know what he's saying. OH...but that would mean Obama has been relying on the words of a certified nut, wouldn't it? Is that to be considered "judging" him too?

Tell me, have you been looking for bird shit in the coo coo clock again this morning?

If a man has been discriminated against most of his life how long should be remain angry about it?
If he watched his parents treated less than human, how long should he hold a grudge?

Easy for us white Americans to judge without ever taking a step in his shoes.
I think that Sen. Byrd could have some words about this issue which would perhaps put it into perspective, well, at least for Democrats. For Republicans nothing will because to them it is just an issue to exploit...which is politics.

"I understand MSNBC has suspended Mr. Imus. But I would also say that there's nobody on my staff who would still be working for me if they made a comment like that about anybody of any ethnic group. And I would hope that NBC ends up having that same attitude. ... He didn't just cross the line. He fed into some of the worst stereotypes that my two young daughters are having to deal with today in America. The notions that as young African-American women -- who I hope will be athletes -- that that somehow makes them less beautiful or less important. It was a degrading comment. It's one that I'm not interested in supporting." (October 2007)

If this has already been posted...again still won't hurt. I am working my way thru the 584 comments...it is taking awhile....suffering from too much St Pats.

The one thing I don't hear many people saying is whether they truthfully believe Obama agrees with the worst comments of Rev. Wright.

Obama says he 'understands' where the anger comes from. I 'understand' where the anger comes from. But the question Obama needs to answer is, if he believes in racial reconciliation, why isn't he doing something to REDUCE the anger instead of AMENing Wright's diatribes? It's like Hillary saying that "she feels your pain".

It's high time LEADERS lead. And you LEAD by not only empathizing... but by CONFRONTING and DEFUSING the anger.

But instead, Obama sat back in his pew for twenty years empathizing with African American anger... and tapping the community for doantions to further his own BLACK RAGE-financed political career.

"I read your book," Robertson said. "When you get through, you say, 'If I could just get a nuclear device inside Foggy Bottom, I think that's the answer,' and you say, 'We've got to blow that thing up.' I mean, is it as bad as you say?" Robertson said.
"It is," Mowbray said, although his book never suggests that the State Department should be blown up with a nuclear device.
Foggy Bottom is the nickname for the State Department's Washington headquarters.

"Well, I totally concur." Pat Robertson to Jerry Falwell, following the Sept. 11 attacks, after Falwell said, "I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way -- all of them who have tried to secularize America -- I point the finger in their face and say: "You helped this happen."

"I understand MSNBC has suspended Mr. Imus. But I would also say that there's nobody on my staff who would still be working for me if they made a comment like that about anybody of any ethnic group. And I would hope that NBC ends up having that same attitude. ... He didn't just cross the line. He fed into some of the worst stereotypes that my two young daughters are having to deal with today in America. The notions that as young African-American women -- who I hope will be athletes -- that that somehow makes them less beautiful or less important. It was a degrading comment. It's one that I'm not interested in supporting." (October 2007)

If this has already been posted...again still won't hurt. I am working my way thru the 584 comments...it is taking awhile....still suffering from too much St Pats.

White America judging the comments of a 70 year old black man is the height of hypocrisy.

Posted by danni at 2008-03-19 11:10 AM | Reply

Classic. I couldn't come up with a better reply than that one smple word 101CHAIBORNE. Danni, go have your triple, latte, non-fat and whatever else you like just as long as it has pleny of caffeine. It should wake you up and help your posts become somewhat coherent.

White America judging the comments of a 70 year old black man is the height of hypocrisy.

Modern Black America not only condoning, but for the most part applauding, the racial rantings of a 70 year old black man is the height of hypocrisy.

DANNI I think you are missing the larger issue.....
perhaps (and it is likely) Obama DOES NOT believe the comments of Wright. THE problem is: Obama refuses to separate himself from the radically anti-white segment of black America. he will not foresake Wright and his crew even if it is obvious he does not agree completely with all of the comments. Do you want your President keeping tight with the domestic "death-to-America" crowd/ I mean really?

"Classic. I couldn't come up with a better reply than that one smple word 101CHAIBORNE. Danni, go have your triple, latte, non-fat and whatever else you like just as long as it has pleny of caffeine. It should wake you up and help your posts become somewhat coherent."

OK, now explain to us how it is possible that you actually do have an understanding of Rev. Wright's fellings. That you have any idea what he endured at the hands of whites during his life. It is inconvenient for white Americans to face the fact that this nation did mistreat the black race terribly and it isn't a distant memory, I can remember seeing it during my adult life and I am not nearly as old as Rev. Wright. AT least I don't try to pretend that all that abuse could just be forgotten by the victims because it is not compatible with the view of America many simplistic idiots would like to hold. I think that the issue of the flag pin would have a correlation with this issue, those who worry so much about the flag pin are often the same morons who are so concerned about the rantings of this old man. Be careful with those things, you could put an eye out.

It's time to call the Democrats out for their racial hypocrisy!

"Obama refuses to separate himself from the radically anti-white segment of black America."

Before my DAd died I refused to seperate myself from him though I knew he was anti-semetic and a bit racist. I loved him and respected him and I learned much good from him too. But then, I'm not some plastic PC person who thinks you have to agree with everything you hear from the elderly to love and respect them. I have a sneaking suspicion that many of the worst of the righties here are tolerated by their kids too though their kids probably can't stand their views.

"It's time to call the Democrats out for their racial hypocrisy!"

It is time for racists like Farmer John to stop being such a judge of what is acceptable behavior by those who have a far more inclusive character than he will ever have. It's like listening to DAvid Duke lecture on racism.

Sorry, Dani, but if the Black Community can't convince a Christian preacher to forgive, then the man certainly should not be given ANY forum in a Christian church. He has failed as a Christian and shouldn't be allowed to commune with them.

And nobody's expecting or asking for Wright to FORGET. But it's long past the time when a Christian minister should have chosen to FORGIVE.

For without forgiveness, there can be NO reconciliation.

The three Bob Joneses, especially Bob Jones, Jr., sharply criticized the Roman Catholic Church. For instance, Jones, Jr. once said that Catholicism was "not another Christian denomination. It is a satanic counterfeit, an ecclesiastic tyranny over the souls of men....It is the old harlot of the book of the Revelation--'the Mother of Harlots.'" All popes, Jones asserted, "are demon possessed." In 2000, then-president Bob Jones III referred, on the University's web page, to Mormons and Catholics as "cults which call themselves Christian."[45] Furthermore, in 1966, BJU awarded an honorary doctorate to the Rev. Ian Paisley, future British MP, leader of the Democratic Unionist Party, and Moderator of the Free Presbyterian Church of Ulster, who has referred to the Pope as a "Roman anti-Christ."

"Before my DAd died I refused to seperate myself from him though I knew he was anti-semetic and a bit racist. I loved him and respected him and I learned much good from him too."

Were you ever a candidate for president of the United States?

No, I was never a candidate but it seems to me that the easy thing would have been for Obama to totally disassociate himself from Rev. Wright. However, instead Obama dealt with the complicated relationship many of the boomer generation have with elders from the previous generation. Have to wonder, did George H. Bush disassociate himself from Prescott Bush after he realized his father's association with fucking Adolph Hitler???? Did George W. Bush rebuke his mother for her callous remarks about the poor black people in the Superdome after Hurricane Katrina???

"The one thing I don't hear many people saying is whether they truthfully believe Obama agrees with the worst comments of Rev. Wright or if they don't really believe that it is far more likely that Obama tolerated the rantings of an angry old man who had felt discrimination much of his life."

That's the big question isn't it? And he doen't have to agree with everything the pastor said, just holding some of the beliefs and mindets would be plenty to be worried about.

You know, if I attended a church where the pastor consistently called black people niggers and blamed them on the ills of society, I wouldn't stick around for another week, much less 17 years.


"That Obama was able to gain from this man just as I did from my own father who had racist tendencies too. It is so easy to judge Obama's tolerance of this man but it is simplistic to believe that his tolerance wasn't justified by the life experiences that Rev. Wright and his generation of black men did endure."

I was raised by a bigoted, racist father. I heard him disparage blacks all the time and, as a young kid hearing it from your dad, you tend to think what he says is true. It wasn't until my early 20's that I began to realize that my dad was hateful, ignorant, and intolerant. Obama was a member of this church as an adult. He should have already dispelled ideas that the pastor was espousing. In other words, why would he go there as an adult?


"Are there still Jewish people from the Holocaust era who have problems with Germans???"

While I'm sure that there are some, mostly among the survivors, that hold much resentment to Germans. However, younger jews, still hold a place of hate in their hearts for the Nazi's, and rigtfully so but they don't cast those aspersions on all Germans.


"White America judging the comments of a 70 year old black man is the height of hypocrisy."

Danni, it's obvious that you have not read or heard all of the things that the reverand has said. Very little of what I've heard him say has been about slavery, and that would be the tie in with the oppression of the nazi's



(talking about apartheid South Africa) "I think 'one man, one vote,' just unrestricted democracy, would not be wise. There needs to be some kind of protection for the minority which the white people represent now, a minority, and they need and have a right to demand a protection of their rights."--Pat Robertson, "The 700 Club," 3/18/92

It's like listening to DAvid Duke lecture on racism.

Or Barack Obama...

It is time for racists like Farmer John to stop being such a judge of what is acceptable behavior by those who have a far more inclusive character than he will ever have.

Really, who would "those people" be? You? The Rev. Wright? Barack Obama? You don't know ANYTHING about the so-called "inclusiveness" of my background. Racist!

"You don't know ANYTHING about the so-called "inclusiveness" of my background."

I can read you posts....there's lots of hate there.

"Very little of what I've heard him say has been about slavery,"

Slavery??? The guy ain't that old. Please don't even try to pretend that black people were given equality after slavery ended. REalize REv. Wright, if he is 70, was born in 1938. The discrimination he endured, even federally sanctioned policies did have an effect on his entire life. To expect him to have forgotten the first fifty years or so of his life is ridiculous. For young black men not to want to learn about the hardships endured would also be ridiculous.

"However, younger jews, still hold a place of hate in their hearts for the Nazi's, and rigtfully so but they don't cast those aspersions on all Germans."

Of course they don't but they also don't reject their elders who still do. I am sure there are elderly rabbis who still discuss the holocaust and the Germans' responsibilitity....and their feelings about it...and I am also sure younger Jews still attend their synagogue and hear them without openly rejecting them. Same thing here, like it or not white America.

Here's a vociferous black preacher from what is commonly known as Harlem on a YouTube video condemning Obama as too white to be the black candidate, suggesting Wesley Snipes would be "black enough."

The Preacher also derides Obama as a "mac," a man who pimps black and white women, as he claims Obama has done in his campaign. This preacher is outspoken.

youtube.com

I can read you posts....there's lots of hate there.

If there's a hate there, it's for hypocrites who fail to practice what they preach... like Obama... and liberals like YOU.

Its one thing for Obama to attend this church for almost 20 years, but its another to choose this Pastor as your Mentor, friend and political advisor.

I find it hard to believe that Obama has been friends with and mentored by this man, yet knows nothing about his prejudice and hatred.

I personally would have a tough time looking up and being mentored by someone that I totally disagree with.

Everyone should look at their own lives. Do you have friends and mentors that youve known for 20 years? Do you know their stances on major issues or are you totally oblivious?

If I had a friend that was totlly racist, he wouldnt be a friend anymore. If I went to a church in which my Pastor was racist, it wouldnt be my church anymore.

Quit making excuses for this man.

In case you've never checked, not all hatred is racism.

Gotta wonder if the old black preacher is more justified in his angry, hateful feelings than a white person who just hates black people??
Both are wrong but are they the same??
I don't think so.

"Remembering that past is prologue, a pathway left for others, even if made by a white president, WJC, marking the Million Man March" :

... .. Abraham Lincoln reminded us that a house divided against itself cannot stand. When divisions have threatened to bring our house down, somehow we have always moved together to shore it up. My fellow Americans, our house is the greatest democracy in all human history. And with all its racial and ethnic diversity, it has beaten the odds of human history. But we know that divisions remain, and we still have work to do. (Applause.)

The two worlds we see now each contain both truth and distortion. Both black and white Americans must face this, for honesty is the only gateway to the many acts of reconciliation that will unite our worlds at last into one America.

White America must understand and acknowledge the roots of black pain. It began with unequal treatment first in law and later in fact. African Americans indeed have lived too long with a justice system that in too many cases has been and continues to be less than just. (Applause.) The record of abuses extends from lynchings and trumped up charges to false arrests and police brutality. The tragedies of Emmett Till and Rodney King are bloody markers on the very same road.

Still today too many of our police officers play by the rules of the bad old days. It is beyond wrong when law-abiding black parents have to tell their law-abiding children to fear the police whose salaries are paid by their own taxes. (Applause.)

And blacks are right to think something is terribly wrong when African American men are many times more likely to be victims of homicide than any other group in this country; when there are more African American men in our corrections system than in our colleges; when almost one in three African American men in their 20s are either in jail, on parole or otherwise under the supervision of the criminal justice system -- nearly one in three. And that is a disproportionate percentage in comparison to the percentage of blacks who use drugs in our society. Now, I would like every white person here and in America to take a moment to think how he or she would feel if one in three white men were in similar circumstances.

And there is still unacceptable economic disparity between blacks and whites. It is so fashionable to talk today about African Americans as if they have been some sort of protected class. Many whites think blacks are getting more than their fair share in terms of jobs and promotions. That is not true. That is not true. (Applause.)

The truth is that African Americans still make on average about 60 percent of what white people do; that more than half of African American children live in poverty. And at the very time our young Americans need access to college more than ever before, black college enrollment is dropping in America.


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On the other hand, blacks must understand and acknowledge the roots of white fear in America. There is a legitimate fear of the violence that is too prevalent in our urban areas; and often by experience or at least what people see on the news at night, violence for those white people too often has a black face.

It isn't racist for a parent to pull his or her child close when walking through a high-crime neighborhood, or to wish to stay away from neighborhoods where innocent children can be shot in school or standing at bus stops by thugs driving by with assault weapons or toting handguns like old west desperados. (Applause.)

It isn't racist for parents to recoil in disgust when they read about a national survey of gang members saying that two-thirds of them feel justified in shooting someone simply for showing them disrespect. It isn't racist for whites to say they don't understand why people put up with gangs on the corner or in the projects, or with drugs being sold in the schools or in the open. It's not racist for whites to assert that the culture of welfare dependency, out-of-wedlock pregnancy and absent fatherhood cannot be broken by social programs unless there is first more personal responsibility. (Applause.)

The great potential for this march today, beyond the black community, is that whites will come to see a larger truth -- that blacks share their fears and embrace their convictions; openly assert that without changes in the black community and within individuals, real change for our society will not come. ... ..

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The convoluted reasons presented to excuse Obama's associations and behavior are remarkable for their creativity and illogic.

"Excusers" cite white people with abominable associations and suggest that since they made their way, such behavior is acceptable and justificatin for Obama's misbehavior. Others shot greengrocers, so now it's acceptable to shoot greengrocers.

The connections also lack the immediacy of Obama's. His are:

Voluntary

Intimate

Long-term, and

Influenced his beliefs and outlook.

Obama embraces a racist, and the racist and anti-American rhetoric that he spews forth.

Obama is a man who was not repelled by racist and anti-American, "Damn America, "F--K America" declarations by his foul-mouthed "Pastor," whose language from theb pulpit certainly differs from the norm. I must admit, I've never attended a church service where the person in the pulpit, not necessarily the pastor, showed such disrespect for the house of the Lord.

Obama even at this late date, refuses to denounce his sancturary built on hate, and the hate-monger who guided it and him.

The fact is that Obama was not and is not sufficiently offended by hatred of America and of white people to cause him to recoil form such pracitices and practitioners..

Why would anyone want to entrust a hate-monger lover with such power and with leadership.

I am nonplussed by people such as this SYSOP is it, RCADE, who seems so addled that he believes that he opposes "racism," and yet cannot make the connection that his choice of Obama is predicated on race, which is racism. ARCADE says "It's time [to have a black]. So you are an unashamed racist. You seem to think that your benevolence in thinking you are benefiting a black person with your racism, your race -inspired position somehow transforms your election into something else, but it doesn't. You support racism, and you are a racist.

There are some of us who have opposed race guided decisions for years. And where many of you drool over Obama's "loyalty" in defense of his racist hate-mongering preacher, I fear that he has unleashed the whirlwind because the message that he has conveyed is that there are justifications for being a racist.

So now, any white with a grievance against a black, can justify his racist positions and actions on what to him is a legitimate grievance. After all, Obama eloquently defended being a racist if there is sufficient provocation, and we can all find provocations to justify ourselves.

If Obama were interested in anything besides his political career and what it would enable him to do, he would recognize the threat that he is to obliterating racism.

Oblivious whites support blacks on the basis of race. Blacks support blacks on the basis of race. These positions and actions based on race are then justified. Does anyone think that this rationale will not lead to whites believing that supporting your own kind on the basis of race is acceptable?

Gotta wonder if the old black preacher is more justified in his angry, hateful feelings than a white person who just hates black people??
Both are wrong but are they the same??
I don't think so.


Gotta wonder at the people who will never fail to reprove one man in the above scenario, but who never fail to make excuses for the other.

They may not be the same... but they are still BOTH wrong.

I'm not making the excuses, white America gave him the excuses long ago. If you don't want angry old black people then society shouldn't mistreat young black people who eventually turn into angry old people who happent to be black, or Jewish, or lots of other reasons. I think that as white Americans it would be helpful if we didn't judge things we know little about.

In fact, the in-action of the observer sitting in judgement is downright patronizing!

I think that as white Americans it would be helpful if we didn't judge things we know little about.

What don't we know? I think we ALL know injustice. And it's past high time we ALL speak out against it WHEREVER and WHENEVER we see it.

Obama showed no balls in that speech...he alienated a ton of people by not straight out denouncing that kook.

Obama = toast

election prediction:

Mcain 52%
Clinton 46%
Nader 02%

"...his comments mirror those of Al, Jesse and Company."

I'm painting my house this summer. Where can I get a brush that broad?

Posted by Danforth at 2008-03-19 10:55 AM

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Broad brush? You mean this Broad Brush? It is hard to believe someone as intelligent as you would post that. Reverend Wright, Reverend Al, Reverend Jesse... How do you seperate these three Danforth when it comes their comments about the white man?

OK, now explain to us how it is possible that you actually do have an understanding of Rev. Wright's fellings. That you have any idea what he endured at the hands of whites during his life. It is inconvenient for white Americans to face the fact that this nation did mistreat the black race terribly and it isn't a distant memory, I can remember seeing it during my adult life and I am not nearly as old as Rev. Wright. AT least I don't try to pretend that all that abuse could just be forgotten by the victims because it is not compatible with the view of America many simplistic idiots would like to hold. I think that the issue of the flag pin would have a correlation with this issue, those who worry so much about the flag pin are often the same morons who are so concerned about the rantings of this old man. Be careful with those things, you could put an eye out.-Danni

Danni, why don't you read my post at 110am on 3/19, it will clearly show that I state, unequivocally that I do not undertsnad the plight of the black man, the good pastor included.

It will also describe why so many are taking offense to what the pastor has said. And I don't give him a free pass to make comments like we deserved what we got on 9/11 because of what he may have gone thru. That comment was clearly political and had nothing to do with race.

And it is painfully obvious that you have ignored the many links provided that show a wide variety of hateful messages from Wright.

A modern parable...


So let's imagine that this bully is punching you in the face for about 5 hours. Every time you try to breathe or get away, he just grabs you and keeps punching. Now suddenly he decides to stop punching you and steps back. You see the chance now to hit back, but when you do he shrieks in surprise, "Hey, what are you so pissed for? I stopped punching you. I'm not hitting you anymore, why are you still mad at me?"


Get it?

A modern parable...


So let's imagine that this bully is punching you in the face for about 5 hours. Every time you try to breathe or get away, he just grabs you and keeps punching. Now suddenly he decides to stop punching you and steps back. You see the chance now to hit back, but when you do he shrieks in surprise, "Hey, what are you so pissed for? I stopped punching you. I'm not hitting you anymore, why are you still mad at me?"


Get it?

"Get it?"

I don't think YOU get it, TFD. I don't give a shit what Wright says, thinks, or does. It's ABOUT OBAMA, not Wright. How coud he...as a United States senator, and a candidate for president...sit there week after week with his wife and children and subject them to that trash? It surely must have had an effect on his wife because she is only now, "for the first time in her adult life, proud of America." Think about it, his daughters listening to "God damn America."
Do they believe now that the "white man" invented AIDS to kill black people? Did Obama and his wife EVER tell them that, "Uncle Jeremiah is just a crazy old man?" I doubt it seriously.
I doubt too, that you would have the same consideration for a white U.S. senator/candidate who had sat through 20 years of lectures from David Duke either.

GET IT?

"How coud he...as a United States senator, and a candidate for president...sit there week after week with his wife and children and subject them to that trash? "

If there was what you call "trash" being uttered "week after week" for 20 years, how come you can only produce 2 examples of it?

"Did George W. Bush rebuke his mother for her callous remarks about the poor black people in the Superdome after Hurricane Katrina???"

Believe me, they deserved far more than some "callous remarks." Ask the people in Houston. You're really grasping, Danni. Might be time for your nappy poo.

"...he alienated a ton of people by not straight out denouncing that kook."

He did alienate anybody except clowns like you who wouldn't vote for the Democratic nominee if it was Jesus Christ himself.

I doubt too, that you would have the same consideration for a white U.S. senator/candidate who had sat through 20 years of lectures from David Duke either.

Posted by jestgettinalong


I dunno, were any of David Duke's Grandparents slaves? Is his family in America because his ancestors were kidnapped and kept in the cargo hold of a ship, forced to come here against their will? Did DD or any of his family ever get beat up or harassed for trying to buy a sandwich or use a water fountain? Has DD ever been denied hospital care because of the color of his skin? Were there ever official, on the book laws saying that DD had to walk 5 miles across town to go to a crappy school when there was a good school a block away?

If so, I might have a little empathy.

how come you can only produce 2 examples of it?

Posted by nullifidian at 2008-03-19 02:03 PM




How many of this guy's sermon's have been recorded?


The church I grew up with didn't have a camera rolling and a tape-recorder behind the altar.


Do you have evidence of "normal" diatribes from Wright?
Do you have evidence of a sermon where he praises the United States for the enormous cost in dollars and lives lost it sustained in order to end the institution of slavery?

did=didn't

The fact that his incendiary comments were received with raucus applause suggests 2 things to me:

1. The parishioners were neither shocked, nor offended at his comments.

2. The parishioners overwhelmingly approved of his comments.


Taken together, my conclusion is that these types of comments are not terribly uncommon and that most who attend this particular church do so because the overall message of the church resonates with them.

"How many of this guy's sermon's have been recorded?"

They weren't just recorded and videotapes sold, but they were broadcast on local cable TV and made available on the Internet. As to the exact number, I don't know. Maybe you should ask the RNC.

"If there was what you call "trash" being uttered "week after week" for 20 years, how come you can only produce 2 examples of it?"

Well, I haven't produced any of it, others have exposed it and Wright "produced" it. I've seen and heard a lot more than two examples lately...where have YOU been? Personally I don't care if it was only ONE example, one is too many. How many does it take to piss YOU off? All DeLay did was say ONE TIME that it would be different if Strom Thurmond had been elected...right? I bet you loaded your trousers several times over that, didn't you? You have a horrible double standard and are a hypocritical idiot, but you know that and don't care, I'm sure.

The thing is, blacks have yet to stop robbing, raping, shooting, and killing, so your parable doesn't work.

Posted by 101Chairborne


No, you just justified my parable. It's not up to whites to tell balcks when to stop being pissed. You are the bully saying,
"Hey, what are you so pissed for? I stopped punching you. I'm not hitting you anymore, why are you still mad at me?"

"How many of this guy's sermon's have been recorded?"

Their services have been streamed on the Internet for a while now, and both video and audio tapes have been available through the church store for several years.

If there are more examples out there, I'm sure they'll turn up soon.

Did DD or any of his family ever get beat up or harassed for trying to buy a sandwich or use a water fountain?
Posted by TFDNihilist at 2008-03-19 02:11 PM | Reply | Fl


Yes, as we know this is reason to hate. In fact, all of the white victims of crimes perpetrated by blacks are now justified in hating them and spreading the hate via the pulpit. Uh oh, as we both know blacks commit a disproportionate amount of the violent crimes here in the USA.

Jest,


It was Trent Lott, not Tom Delay.

Other than that, good point.

Jeff - from their website:

You can watch Trinity United Church of Christ Nationally, Locally and on the Web!

* Live Webcast: Sunday 7:30 a.m. CST, 11:00 a.m. CST and 6:00 p.m. CST
* WebCast OnDemand: See past sermons at any time right here!
* National Television Broadcasts on TV ONE!
Sundays at 7:30 a.m. EST
Check your local listing for channel

Well 101, if that was the only reason they're pissed, you'd have a point. But it's not, so you don't.

Oh, and when Whites stop robbing, raping and killing, you let me know.

"Do you have evidence of a sermon where he praises the United States for the enormous cost in dollars and lives lost it sustained in order to end the institution of slavery?"

That's rich. He should be praising those who created slavery for replacing it with segregation?

Here's some history for you, Jeff.


Whites refuse to remember (or perhaps have never learned) that which black folks cannot afford to forget. I've seen white people stunned to the point of paralysis when they learn the truth about lynchings in this country--when they discover that such events were not just a couple of good old boys with a truck and a rope hauling some black guy out to the tree, hanging him, and letting him swing there. They were never told the truth: that lynchings were often community events, advertised in papers as "Negro Barbecues," involving hundreds or even thousands of whites, who would join in the fun, eat chicken salad and drink sweet tea, all while the black victims of their depravity were being hung, then shot, then burned, and then having their body parts cut off, to be handed out to onlookers. They are stunned to learn that postcards of the events were traded as souvenirs, and that very few whites, including members of their own families did or said anything to stop it.

Rather than knowing about and confronting the ugliness of our past, whites take steps to excise the less flattering aspects of our history so that we need not be bothered with them. So, in Tulsa, Oklahoma, for example, site of an orgy of violence against the black community in 1921, city officials literally went into the town library and removed all reference to the mass killings in the Greenwood district from the papers with a razor blade--an excising of truth and an assault on memory that would remain unchanged for over seventy years.


www.counterpunch.org

If there are more examples out there, I'm sure they'll turn up soon.


A little fleshing out would be nice. Nulli makes a fairly reasonable point.

On a different note, Obama's attachment to this guy and his comments appeals to black racists, who happen to be an important voting bloc for the Democratic party (just as white racists are for the Republican party). Slyly pandering to racists doesn't make a politician himself racist, and I don't believe Obama is a racist. However, a guilt-by-association is a natural reaction.

Of all of the ethnic groups in this country, only one (blacks) vote almost monolithicly for one party - roughly 90% vote Democratic. No other voting disparities among any other ethnic group is even close.

No, you just justified my parable. It's not up to whites to tell balcks when to stop being pissed. You are the bully saying,
"Hey, what are you so pissed for? I stopped punching you. I'm not hitting you anymore, why are you still mad at me?"

Posted by TFDNihilist at 2008-03-19 02:18 PM | Reply


Robbing, raping, murder, and assault are against the law. Words convey "pissed", the actions I mentioned convey "Animal".

"Hey, why are you so pissed? We freed you from slavery! We gave you the right to vote ahead of women! We have handed you tax dollar after tax dollar! We have made excuses for your poor performance in school! We've handed you jobs ahead of more qualified whites! We admit you to schools you aren't qualified to enter! Why do you throw all of these opportunities away?!? Why are there more black men in prison instead of college?!?"

"I've seen and heard a lot more than two examples lately...where have YOU been?"

Prove it. It should be easy to find more than two video or audio clips since you claim it happened every Sunday for over 20 years.

"Do you have evidence of a sermon where he praises the United States for the enormous cost in dollars and lives lost it sustained in order to end the institution of slavery?"

Actually, I think that your question qualifies as a legitimate reason for another of his sermons. I can't believe your audacity, a much more intelligent question might be...if you took the economic value of all of the labor supplied by slaves and passed it down as inheritance how many of the poor black people in this country would be wealthy. Even if you subtracted the entire cost of the Civil War we would still owe them billions.

In fact, all of the white victims of crimes perpetrated by blacks are now justified in hating them and spreading the hate via the pulpit.

Posted by 101Chairborne


Well, if those crimes have been sanctioned by state or national law, you have a point.

But until then, keep trying.

"You can watch Trinity United Church of Christ Nationally, Locally and on the Web!"

I'm sure, SanAnton, that the usual retards will claim that anything "inflammatory" has been removed and trucked to Syria.

Nulli,

First and foremost, spare me your condescension. I am an American history buff and in addition to the history classes I had in High school and college, I've done a fair amount of reading on my own. One of the tomes that I read cover-to-cover was A People's History of the United States. Maybe you've heard of it? It was written by a Marxist, so I am sure you'd love it. I am well aware of the repression that blacks endured even after the Emancipation Proclamation.

None of that changes the fact that the US paid an enormous price to end the institution of slavery.

I am fully able to acknowledge the bad - how come you refuse to acknowledge the good?

"A little fleshing out would be nice."

Jeff -I'm not really sure what you mean by that. You asked a question about how many of Wright's sermons may have been recorded and I responded by giving you info that they are streamed, recorded, and broadcast.

My broader point is that obviously his sermons have been out in the public domain for a long time, yet there has been very little hue and cry up to now.

So if the type of rant we saw in the 2 short video clips being repeated over and over again are indeed the "norm" for his sermons, more of the same should be showing up. On the other hand, the alternative that most folks on the right here have refused to consider is that occasionally he got carried away and went too far, but that it was not his normal pattern.

I don't know the answer to that, but then again neither does anyone else posting on this and other threads. The only thing I do know is that the 2 times I heard him preach from Trinity's pulpit, there was nothing racist or anti-American.

if you took the economic value of all of the labor supplied by slaves and passed it down as inheritance


How about if we took where blacks are now in the US economically and compared it with where their ancestors still reside (Africa)?

"how come you can only produce 2 examples of it?"

What an idiot! ONE example would be too many, wouldn't it. Besides, I bet you dropped a load in your trousers when DeLay said ONE TIME that we wouldn't be having this trouble if Strom Thurmond was elected, didn't you. You're an idiot...a double standard loving, hypocritical idiot.

This is what its come down to: The Republicans (McCain first, now Huckabee) openly support Obama over his connection to Rev. Wright, and the Democrats? Not so much.

"[Y]ou can't hold the candidate responsible for everything that people around him may say or do," Huckabee says. "It's interesting to me that there are some people on the left who are having to be very uncomfortable with what ... Wright said, when they all were all over a Jerry Falwell, or anyone on the right who said things that they found very awkward and uncomfortable, years ago. Many times those were statements lifted out of the context of a larger sermon. Sermons, after all, are rarely written word for word by pastors like Rev. Wright, who are delivering them extemporaneously, and caught up in the emotion of the moment. There are things that sometimes get said, that if you put them on paper and looked at them in print, you'd say 'Well, I didn't mean to say it quite like that.'"

Later, he defended Wright's anger, too:

"As easy as it is for those of us who are white to look back and say 'That's a terrible statement!' ... I grew up in a very segregated South. And I think that you have to cut some slack -- and I'm gonna be probably the only conservative in America who's gonna say something like this, but I'm just tellin' you -- we've gotta cut some slack to people who grew up being called names..."


www.huffingtonpost.com

Man, its a strange year, isn't it?

I'd advise Nulli to take a lesson from his own post before he gives further excuses and touts the wisdom of the current liberal airbrushing by the press of the even more recent 'history' of black separatism and racism of the past forty years...

Rather than knowing about and confronting the ugliness of our past, whites take steps to excise the less flattering aspects of our history so that we need not be bothered with them. So, in Tulsa, Oklahoma, for example, site of an orgy of violence against the black community in 1921, city officials literally went into the town library and removed all reference to the mass killings in the Greenwood district from the papers with a razor blade--an excising of truth and an assault on memory that would remain unchanged for over seventy years.

"Hey, why are you so pissed? We freed you from slavery! We gave you the right to vote ahead of women! We have handed you tax dollar after tax dollar! We have made excuses for your poor performance in school! We've handed you jobs ahead of more qualified whites! We admit you to schools you aren't qualified to enter! Why do you throw all of these opportunities away?!? Why are there more black men in prison instead of college?!?"

Posted by 101Chairborne


As I said, you or I are not qualified to answer those questions. to pretend we are is just hubris.

And BTW, I'm not necessarily agreeing with the premise or tactics. All races have been enslaved at one time or another in history. Hell, the African Moors made slaves of my Italian ancestors. But as far as modern America and the issue of black slavery goes, my opinion cannot be formed the same as a Black American's is.

"He did alienate anybody except clowns like you who wouldn't vote for the Democratic nominee if it was Jesus Christ himself."

Well you are so ignorant that you undoubtedly DO consistently vote for the Dem candidate JUST BECAUSE it is the DEM candidate.
PLease do not assume to transfer your small-mindedness TO MY own decision making process.

Hey loser did you vote for Carter? ...Dukakis?

enough said.

I am nonplussed by people such as this SYSOP is it, RCADE, who seems so addled that he believes that he opposes "racism," and yet cannot make the connection that his choice of Obama is predicated on race, which is racism. ARCADE says "It's time [to have a black]. So you are an unashamed racist.

I didn't say anything of the kind. Obama's the best candidate with the best plan for the country. The fact that he offers an opportunity for genuine racial reconciliation and is an inspirational speaker are positives, but just two reasons among many that he's winning the Democratic nomination.

Obama's critics spend too much time trying to mind-read why people are voting for him, then argue with the strawmen they've invented. It betrays a lack of confidence in your own candidate.

"Did George W. Bush rebuke his mother for her callous remarks about the poor black people in the Superdome after Hurricane Katrina???"

Believe me, they deserved far more than some "callous remarks." Ask the people in Houston. You're really grasping, Danni. Might be time for your nappy poo.


No doubt, and I wonder why no one is talking about how Obama thru his grandmother under the bus but refuses to do so with the pastor?

Here's the deal, Obama didn't choose his grandmother, just like Bush didn't choose his mom. However, Obama did choose the pastor.

"How about if we took where blacks are now in the US economically and compared it with where their ancestors still reside (Africa)?"

Oh, the slaves were lucky argument. I'm surprised Jeff, I wouldn't have thought you would have put forth this tired, and disgusting argument.
A more fair argument would be to compare the relative wealth of the heirs of immigrants from the late 1700s and early 1800s to that of black Americans. Their ancestors worked just as hard, they fought in our wars, by rights they would own an equal share of America but they just don't.

On the other hand, the alternative that most folks on the right here have refused to consider is that occasionally he got carried away and went too far, but that it was not his normal pattern.

I am willing to acknowledge that as a possibility.

I am inclined to believe that given so many sermons have been recorded and are readily available, the bigger picture should eventually emerge, hopefully sooner rather than later.

Gotta run.


Work beckons.

Why are there more black men in prison instead of college?!?"

Posted by 101Chairborne


I guess the racist policies of many police forces, where blacks are jailed for offenses that whites are not, don't have anything to do with this.

Plus Danni, the argument can be made that we stole a few generations of black's in their prime, who could have aided in the construction of their own civilization, but instead constructed ours. There is that part.

"Prove it. It should be easy to find more than two video or audio clips since you claim it happened every Sunday for over 20 years."

I knew you were dense...but you really exceed all earthly limits of DENSE.

I don't CARE if it went on for twenty years, twenty months, or twenty days. I know it happened at least ONCE and that's all I need.

Now the important issue...fuck Wright, what did Obama do about it, when did he do it, and what's he gonna do now? Personally, I don't care 'cause I was never gonna vote for him even BEFORE all this came out. And...it's NOT because he's HALF black, it's because he's way too far left for me. I do, however think it's amusing to see you and all your little Obamaniac friends scurring around trying to spin it all, defend this race-baiter pastor, and protect Obama's virginity.

"I bet you dropped a load in your trousers when DeLay said ONE TIME that we wouldn't be having this trouble if Strom Thurmond was elected, didn't you. You're an idiot..."

Not to put too fine a point on it, but that was Trent Lott, a fact that might be useful before calling someone an idiot.

"I bet you dropped a load in your trousers when DeLay said ONE TIME that we wouldn't be having this trouble if Strom Thurmond was elected, didn't you. You're an idiot..."

Not to put too fine a point on it, but that was Trent Lott, a fact that might be useful before calling someone an idiot.

I guess the racist policies of many police forces, where blacks are jailed for offenses that whites are not, don't have anything to do with this.

Posted by TFDNihilist at 2008-03-19 02:50 PM | Reply


Interesting. Personally I'd say it's because they commit crimes at an alarmingly high rate combined with the fact that they drop out of high school more than anyone other than mexicans.

How in the fuck do you send your children to college if they drop out of high school?

The numbers will prove you apologists wrong every time.

Tony - very interesting take on the situation from Huckabee. And I guess he's in a pretty good position to know about the topic.

Unlike most of the ragers on here, he seems to have been able to take a step back and look at alternative explanations.

I'm sure he will be utterly deconstructed and left a bleached pile of bones shortly.

I read the posts of those so offended by Rev. Wright's words even as participants in things like Iran Contra still are part of the US government. The Drug Czar of the US right now was part of the illegal action which helped the Contras murder, rape and torture Nicaraguans in an attempt to overthrow an elected government. I don't read posts for any of those so offended by Rev. Wright ever about such topics or any of the other atrocities our government has committed in many other countries. It makes me think that Rev. Wright's remarks, though unpleasant, are nothing but a convenient distraction from things like the economy, the war, the drug laws, etc. The right seems to think that if they can make enough noise about this elderly preacher that it will distract America from the real problems which Barack Obama could help us solve. Personally, I don't give a crap what Rev. Wright said, he's an old, irrelevant man who is retired and no longer advising Barack Obama. I care much more about the issues that Obama represents in the presidential election and I notice that those who are concerned about Rev. Wright would never vote for Obama anyway so why do we bother to debate with them????

"Interesting. Personally I'd say it's because they commit crimes at an alarmingly high rate combined with the fact that they drop out of high school more than anyone other than mexicans."

Interesting. Interesting, that is, that you and Jeremiah Wright agree on something. Much of the focus of his philosophy and something he preached about many times was the need for black men to get their act together, work hard, and take care of their families. He also preached that blacks need to pull themselves up and stop waiting around for somebody else to do it.

I guess you're less intimidated by the message when Bill Cosby says the same thing in his nice, non-threatening Dr. Huxtable voice.

"I know it happened at least ONCE and that's all I need."

Of course that's all you need. In fact, idiots like you don't need even ONE example. In the absence of Wright, you'll just move on to the next item in the kitchen sink.

Wow, Obama had a minister that was angry about being discriminated against. There are angry black men out there? Go figure. I was going to vote for him until I found that out. LOL.

It's refreshing to see Huckabee be a good Christian about this. It's nice to see that there might actually be some in politics.

He also preached that blacks need to pull themselves up and stop waiting around for somebody else to do it.

I guess you're less intimidated by the message when Bill Cosby says the same thing in his nice, non-threatening Dr. Huxtable voice.

Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2008-03-19 03:05 PM | Reply


Was that before or after he accused our government of introducing AIDs to the black community?

Dr Huxtable? Dr Huxtable? Ain't nobody done ever called Dr Huxtable a nigger!


So your the good Rev Wright wants them to pull themselves up and stop waiting for others (hard working tax payers) to do it? That's a wonderful message no matter who spreads it.
So, how's it working? Did that get the same thunderous applause as the whitey bashing? Yeah, I didn't think it did.

"...that much of the pastors preachings, WHICH HE SELLS BY THE WAY, are America hating and bashing."

I guess you know something that the media and Obama's enemies have yet to discover. We'd all appreciate links to your evidence. Because all we've seen so far is 2 short video clips out of 40 years of preaching.

So like I said before, there may well be more out there, I don't know. But so far you appear to be the only one in possession of irrefutable evidence.

.
Jest,


It was Trent Lott, not Tom Delay.

Other than that, good point.

Posted by JeffJ at 2008


yeah and he stole it from me..........I was the FIRST To make that connection.
but in the interest of kicking the shit out of ANY dem, you may have it with my compliments.

So like I said before, there may well be more out there, I don't know. But so far you appear to be the only one in possession of irrefutable evidence.

Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2008-03-19 03:20 PM | Reply


"There may well be..."

For the people claiming there aren't...

Obama was not in attendence during the July 22nd sermon in which the hate monger Wright spewed his garbage. Yet Obama claims to have been in attendence at other sermons to have heard him spew the garbage.

Is Obama refering to the 1 other "on tape" hate preaching, or is it more likely that there were others?

"Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church?" Obama said. "Yes. Did I strongly disagree with many of his political views? Absolutely -- just as I'm sure many of you have heard remarks from your pastors, priests or rabbis with which you strongly disagreed."

"Not to put too fine a point on it, but that was Trent Lott, a fact that might be useful before calling someone an idiot."

Right...it was Trent Lott...but you don't have to say it twice to convince me, Danny. Nulliwhatever is still an idiot though.

What Obama actually said was "Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes."

FYI - I haven't seen a single, solitary person claim it was impossible that there could be more bad stuff from Wright out there.

But change course and let facts slow you up any.

But *don't* change course

"just as I'm sure many of you have heard remarks from your pastors, priests or rabbis with which you strongly disagreed."

When i heard that line I hit a real hard STOP sign.
I have never heard my church leader say something that i have STRONGLY DISAGREED with.
think about it, have any of you?
I mean what does your priest or pastor, or whatever, say on a regular basis that you STRONGLY disagree with?

"is it more likely that there were others?


101
You can bet there has been a small burning behind the building at 400 West 95th Street...just recently.


DANNI

So what you are saying in your last post is that the whole Obama situation is understandable because of the terrible things that other American politicans did years ago? Really?

Also this Pastor was on the Obama Campaigns Spiritual Advisory Team until this information came out, so technically he hasnt been advising him for just a few days now. Obviously Obama didnt find him old and irrelevant or he wouldnt have asked for his help in the campaign.

Name Obama's politcal accomplishments that makes you feel confident that he can and will fix our countries problems or do you feel that way just because he is good speaker and you believe what he tells you?

Danni, do you gravitate towards hateful, racist people? Do you choose friends that are racist and hateful? Do you look up to someone as a mentor that is hateful and racist? If you go to church, is your Pastor hateful and racist? I would be surprised if you answer any of these questions yes and if your answers are no, then why is it ok for Obama?

- Just out on Drudgereport!

Wright has spoken to the Associated Press today and claims he was "framed".

"Who's changing course dickbag?"

Apparently you missed my correction to that sentence so I'll forgive your crudeness just this once.

"Seeing as though I provided the facts"

You didn't provide any "facts". Obama said he had heard Wright say "controversial" things, and that Wright had political views with which he strongly disagreed.

You are the one who extrapolated that to mean controversial must mean racist or unamerican. So that is simply your take on it with exactly 0 "fact" value.

"he reason it can be concluded that Libs are the bigger racists is:"

And the reason it should be concluded that Cons are the bigger racists is:

they admitted it.

www.washingtonpost.com

"- Just out on Drudgereport!

Wright has spoken to the Associated Press today and claims he was "framed".

Posted by Fredo_C"

Do you have a link? I didn't see it on either Drudge or AP yet.

"Who's changing course dickbag?"

Apparently you missed my correction to that sentence so I'll forgive your crudeness just this once.

Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2008-03-19 03:56 PM | Reply


Yeah, you changed it to "Don't change course and let the facts slow you up any". Like the fact Obama (in the quote I provided, and that you felt the need to re-provide) admitted he has heard him say controversial things before. Clearly he wasn't talking about Budweiser tasting better than Miller Lite or some other unrelated comments.


I also loved your:
"FYI - I haven't seen a single, solitary person claim it was impossible that there could be more bad stuff from Wright out there."

Interesting, because I haven't seen anyone claim that they did.





Danforth Quayle,

you and I both know that you are stupid beyond words....i will spend the minumim time responding to your link;
Cons did not admit they are racists because
a. your link is about one dude who made a comment to the left wing Washington Compost

b. the issue was one isolated event from the 70's

please go flush your head in the toilet.

Sanantonio... I expect better from you...there was no claim by Wright that he was FRAMED. that's a joke, son. Yuk yuk.

if a white politician had such a close relationship with a klansman or the aryan botherhood would he still
have a chance in the race-racism is not jus a white to black sickness it is a failin of ALL races
jasman

"Interesting, because I haven't seen anyone claim that they did."

Silly me then. I thought when you said "for the people claiming there aren't" you meant that you thought there were people claiming there aren't.

"For the people claiming there aren't...

Posted by 101Chairborne at 2008-03-19 03:28 PM"

Silly me then. I thought when you said "for the people claiming there aren't" you meant that you thought there were people claiming there aren't.

Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2008-03-19 04:16 PM | Reply


I quoted you claiming "there may be". Then I wrote "for the people claiming there aren't".

If you'll notice, my quote didn't say "For the people claiming it's impossible". As I explained, there are some (Nullifidan and Roma) asserting that if there were more than 2 quotes we would have heard them by now. What does that mean to you? To me it means they're saying there aren't any other quotes, but they aren't claiming "it's impossible".

Either way, Barry didn't make that speech to address the Rev Wrights milktoast comments. He clearly was being vague about "controversial" comments because he knows damn well there were more than those 2.

FYI - I haven't seen a single, solitary person claim it was impossible that there could be more bad stuff from Wright out there.
But change course and let facts slow you up any.

Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2008-03-19 03:39 PM | Reply



Silly me then. I thought when you said "for the people claiming there aren't" you meant that you thought there were people claiming there aren't.

Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2008-03-19 04:16 PM | Reply | Flag


I can't wait for it to be known that:

1. Obama wrote those 2 infamous sermons for Wright.

2. That among close insiders in his campaign, Obama refers to McCain as McCunt.

3. Obama is the behind the scenes money man for Emporer VIP . He is also the official scout for the 1 diamond level circuit.

3. Obama is the behind the scenes money man for Emporer VIP . He is also the official scout for the 1 diamond level circuit.

701.

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Can anyone find the link on Obama's website for The New Black Panther Party? I can't find it..


Murphy

Buried in Eloquence, Obama Contradictions About Pastor

In Speech, Obama Contradicted More Than a Year of Denials About His Knowledge of Rev. Wright's Sermons

Buried in his eloquent, highly praised speech on America's racial divide, Sen. Barack Obama contradicted more than a year of denials and spin from him and his staff about his knowledge of Rev. Jeremiah Wright's controversial sermons.

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Is Obama's Pastor a Liability?Similarly, Obama also has only recently given a much fuller accounting of his relationship with indicted political fixer Antoin "Tony" Rezko, a longtime friend, who his campaign once described as just one of "thousands of donors."

Until yesterday, Obama said the only thing controversial he knew about Rev. Wright was his stand on issues relating to Africa, abortion and gay marriage.

"I don't think my church is actually particularly controversial," Obama said at a community meeting in Nelsonville, Ohio, earlier this month.

"He has said some things that are considered controversial because he's considered that part of his social gospel; so he was one of the leaders in calling for divestment from South Africa and some other issues like that," Obama said on March 2.


His initial reaction to the initial ABC News broadcast of Rev. Wright's sermons denouncing the U.S. was that he had never heard his pastor of 20 years make any comments that were anti-U.S. until the tape was played on air.

But yesterday, he told a different story.

"Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes," he said in his speech yesterday in Philadelphia.

Obama did not say what he heard that he considered "controversial," and the campaign has yet to answer repeated requests for dates on which the senator attended Rev. Wright's sermons over the last 20 years.

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Rezko Played Bigger Role, Obama SaysIn the case of his relationship with Rezko, Obama has also been slow to acknowledge the full extent of his relationship.

It was only last week that he revealed Rezko had raised some $250,000 in campaign contributions for him.

The campaign had initially claimed Rezko-connected contributions were no more than $60,000, an amount the campaign donated to charity. Then the figure grew to around $86,000, and there were additional revelations that put the amount at about $150,000. Obama's $250,000 accounting was a substantial jump and clearly contradicted earlier campaign statements that Rezko was just one of "thousands of donors."
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abcnews.go.com

Obama dribbles before he shoots.

I can't find it either, Murph. Conspiracy?

"Can anyone find the link on Obama's website for The New Black Panther Party? I can't find it..


Murphy"

Can anyone find the link on McCain's website for the KKK? I can't find it...

OMG Corky - you are making Obama sound like he uses Hillary- style tactics more and more- no wonder you want them on the same ticket.

I love it that a Repub like Huckabee is defending Obama on this one. Anybody here ever been to a black church? Ever heard the style of preaching there? Personally, I haven't, but I've heard from white folk who've been scared out their wits at the start of black sermons (the regular attendees, black folk, all had a chuckle when they saw my white relatives/friends jolt after the first word was shouted).

People are making a mountain out of a molehill with this Wright thing.

I'M making it sound like something?

When did I become ABC News, lmfao!!

Lighten up, Null.


Murphy was clearly telling a joke.

You need to relax.

Go fix yourself a Margarita, peruse the following link and put yourself in a good mood.

www.anu.edu.au

When did I become ABC News, lmfao!!


Posted by Corky



The numinous one is above criticism.

The textbook response to any criticism of the messiah is to shoot the messenger.

Since you've become DR public enemy #1 (despite your very liberal politics - how ironic), the best way to shoot your source is to call your source "Corky".

....and, after you've finished your reading assignment buy Murphy a few rounds and put yourself in a real good mood.

I shoot the messenger whenever the messenger is also the creator of fallacious criticisms.

"Murphy was clearly telling a joke."

I don't think that was clear at all, given the content of Murphy's posts on this subject. But the margarita is a good idea.

But the margarita is a good idea.


True.

But be honest, when isn't a margarita a good idea?

-the messenger is also the creator of fallacious criticisms.

Be specific, Scrumptious.

We can play beanbag.


Hey Jeffy, I think we have a new candidate for your Rusty Trombone lessons.....

Cork,


The word "Scrumplet" sounds like a Rusty Trombone gone bad.

Obama should resign from this election and let Hillary or McCain run the country dishonestly into the ground!!!

america gets the leadership it deserves.

Null--I apologize as I was not trying to stir shit--I am listening to Hannity and he is swearing that there is a link on Obama's website for the Black Panther.

Being that I check on people and their claims--I went looking for it and can't find it.

I don't know --maybe it's the IL Senator website??

Maybe Hannity is blowing smoke--but he is saying it's still there--I am not able to move around Obama's website very well--does he have more than one?

Murphy

I had to be careful not to type "fellatious" heheh. That penis thread is a fun one. I didn't intend to refute your criticisms. I think people are making too big a deal about this Wright thing, and a lot of people here are calling Obama a racist, which I believe is fallacious (got it right, yea!).

I think the Rezko thing is the dirtiest dirt the dirt-diggers'll dig up on Obama, which does undermine his "clean politician" image. Still, as young as he as, he hasn't been corrupted yet by PAC and big-corporate donors.

Keep digging for more dirty dirt, though. If Obama ain't the real deal, let it be known. What we've seen so far prolly won't be enough to bring him down.

Murphy was clearly telling a joke.

...
Posted by JeffJ

Guess you were wrong, Jeff. See Murphy's 5:48.

Scrumplet

I just want to see this stuff come out sooner rather than later, now instead of the last week of October.

The scariest thing about the Wright incident is that Obama knew this could happen any time right up to the election, and had the hubris to let the Dem Party go out on a shaky limb with him.

It appears just a bit reckless to me.

Racists endorse Obama on candidate's website
New Black Panther Party condemns 'white men,' Jews, praises candidate

worldnetdaily.com
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Hannity has it backwords.

"Null--I apologize as I was not trying to stir shit--I am listening to Hannity and he is swearing that there is a link on Obama's website for the Black Panther."

In your defense, Murphy, there was at one time a mention of the New Black Panther Party on his website.

Keep digging for more dirty dirt, though. If Obama ain't the real deal, let it be known. What we've seen so far prolly won't be enough to bring him down.

Posted by Scrumplet at 2008-03-19 05:48 PM |


I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for the largest newspaper in his home state taking up the challenge. Seeing as the Tribune paved the way for his US Senate seat.

Mmmmmmmm.....Cadillac Margaritas.......

I can't wait for it to be known that:

1. Obama wrote those 2 infamous sermons for Wright.

2. That among close insiders in his campaign, Obama refers to McCain as McCunt.


~El Jeffey

Where'd you get that from?

Another one of the rights infamous internet whispering campaigns about Obama that have spread a lot of misinformation, disinformation, slurs, innuendo and other outright lies like the hand over the heart during the pledge of allegiance thing?

Actually, to be fair there's a 50/50 chance that those dirty tricks campaigns actually originated with Hillary's crew of losers. Possibly even Corky.

MccTaint is McCunt? Ha! That's funny. Spud hasn't used that one yet, thanx fer the meme. Spud's being calling him McLame or McInsane mostly but McCunt cetainly works.

The guy has a shitload of negatives working against him and absolutely nothing good to speak of working for him so why not call him a cunt? Actually, you can have fun with one of those so maybe it's not such a great idea after all, eh?

McWalnutZ is a whore monger, a philanderer, a moron, a flip flopper, a rage-a-holic, a Pander Bear, a political opportunist, a gold digger, a lousy pilot, a PTSD case, a pre-Alzenheimers case, an economic retard, and older than dirt.

Why would anyone vote for him unless they were a brain dead, amoral, fightin' righty tighty who marches in a lockstep/goose-step manner like the good little nazi-Gopher they are, every four years regardless of the harm they are doing?

Anyone wanna field that one? Spud's always been curious.

Corky hammering away at Obama over Rezko and Wright again?

Quelle fucking suprise!!

Guess his rug munching, bitch candidate with her Kult of personality is kind of a tough sell so it's easier to concentrate on lying about her opponent than to try and build her up as a candidate worth voting for, eh?

Coupla thing Corkscrew...

First, Obama gave back 84,000 of money donated directly from Rezco himself the 250,000 figure is a total of money that Rezko helped to raise not money he personally gave. Get that straight fer a fucking change, will ya.

Second, yes, Wright is a preacher in a black church who has given impassioned sermons but none quite as scary as those found in the religious right by white preachers who preach real hatred and intolerance and seems to get a pass every time. Yer corporate hatchet job from ABC fails to give a direct quote from Obama that he contradicted.

Wright's social justice agenda is far more moral and at the end of the day more American that either the prosperity preacher evDEVILicals or the homophobic, sexist Talibaptist elements that exist on the right.

This is merely the MSM working together to give the populist candidate his "Dean Scream" moment banking on American gullibility and stupidity once again. Once people wrap their heads around the idea that this is all originated as a Hillary hatchet job watch it backfire against her Rove luffin' cottage cheese ass.

Got it? Good.

Be Well.

Interesting. Personally I'd say it's because they commit crimes at an alarmingly high rate combined with the fact that they drop out of high school more than anyone other than mexicans.
Posted by 101Chairborne


Of course you do, you're white. You've probably never had a family member get harassed or arrested by the police (the Government) just for walking down the street or driving in the wrong neighbor hood.

And before you go off about blacks do this and that to whites, remember I said the Police, not just some white guy. Black against White racism does exist, but never as official or unofficial policy of the Government charged with protecting all of us.

"I am listening to Hannity "

What Hannity failed to mention, Murphy, is that anyone can create a user group blog on the Obama website.

Here's a sample page:
my.barackobama.com

No matter what, Corky, opponents will find something to attack. They will always try to blow it out of proportion and make it seem bigger than big. Maybe Obama didn't view these quite so much as skeletons in the closet. Maybe by laying low on these things, he'll wait for each one to come up individually, so he can knock it down. Unfortunately, he's had the double-whammy of Rezko-Wright reaching national news at the same time.

Can only speculate on these things. Still, I wonder how many actually share your views of Obama as reckless. The Clinton campaign has played that "he's too young and inexperienced" card already and painting him as "reckless" seems in line with the same rhetoric.

-Actually, to be fair there's a 50/50 chance that those dirty tricks campaigns actually originated with Hillary's crew of losers. Possibly even Corky.

-this is all originated as a Hillary hatchet job

Lyin' sack o' Tater shit.

Fear breeds paranoia and lies and you can just smell the stench of it coming off some of the starchier Obamites with their lies and innuendos in the face truth, justice, and the American Way!

"Look! Up in the sky! Is it a turd? Is it Da Plane? NO!! It's Half-baked Potato Man!"



I AM feeling a bit of deja vu here....

-Shrillary takes some of the most nutty things that Rev. Wright sed in his 20 years as a Pastor of Trinity and feeds those sound bytes to the MSM

Ah, the Tottering Tater has proof of HRC being the source of these DVD compilations and evidence that she spread it to the MSM.

GREAT! Let's see it..... or is that just another half-baked lie?

Posted by Corky at 2008-03-19

Of course you do, you're white. You've probably never had a family member get harassed or arrested by the police (the Government) just for walking down the street or driving in the wrong neighbor hood.

And before you go off about blacks do this and that to whites, remember I said the Police, not just some white guy. Black against White racism does exist, but never as official or unofficial policy of the Government charged with protecting all of us.

POSTED BY TFDNIHILIST AT 2008-03-19 06:08 PM | REPLY | F

So, the police are racists huh? I imagine that with affirmative action in place most PD's are overly represented by minority officers. In Buffalo there are over 700 officers and over 40% of them are black.

Are you telling me that with this many black people in the Police Department (assuming that other PD's are of a similar make-up) that things are as dire as you're trying to forward?

Driving while black and all of the other whining your ilk does is ridiculous. For every driving while black, there's some white kid buying weed in the ghetto that's getting pulled.

I dont beleive that Hillary or anyone in the Democratic party would do this. However I could be wrong if someone has proof please provide it.

Chairface Chippendale, in Chicago, my doctor uncle had to treat a black man who the cops beat the shit out of. His crime? Driving a Lexus. There was a Walgreens store, had been held up. Cops see this black guy in his Lexus driving by, pull him over, ask him "Why you driving this car, son?"

Driver's girl gets pissed, cops yank her from the car and push her a bit. Driver comes to her defense. Cops let loose.

Racism in blue. (racism is a blue subject)

"For every driving while black, there's some white kid buying weed in the ghetto that's getting pulled."

So "COPS" is your gold standard on police technique, eh?

Chumplet,
If that puddin would have kept her fucking yap shut and acted like a civilized human being she could have spared her alpha male the beatdown he got.

It's always the loud mouthed girl that gets the guy in trouble.

How many white people get pulled over in predominantly black neighborhoods for suspicion of buying drugs, picking up hookers, etc?

The reason black people go to jail is because black people tend to break the law disproportionatly. Whether that's due to education, economics, hopelessness, whatever.

If Jomamma's dad would have stuck around he'd tell you the same thing.

Most analysts are calling this speech one of the great ones in American history.

On Wright, they find 8 seconds out of tens of thousands of hours and they think they've made their case?

Driver's girl gets pissed, cops yank her from the car and push her a bit. Driver comes to her defense. Cops let loose.

Racism in blue. (racism is a blue subject)


~Scrumplet.

Anybody who sez that racism isn't still a real prblem in the US today as it has been since it's inception is either White and ignorant or White and lying.

Possibly both.

Sgt. hawkes and I'm down wit' the cop scene
I'm a rookie and I'm rollin' wit' a swat team
Packin' a nine can't wait to use it
Crooked cop yeah, that's my music
Up against the wall, don't gimme no lip son
A bank was robbed and you fit the description
Now I ain't your mama and I ain't your pops
Keep your music down or you might get shot
This is a warning so watch your tail
Or I'm a have to put your ass in jail
I'm the police and I'm in charge
You don't like it get the fuck outta dodge


"Blaming me for the hardcore roar
But they the ones with the .44"

~Public Enemy.

"Get the Fuck Outta Dodge".

Be Well.

The way I figure, the longer Obama's enemies can keep him talking about race, the lower he sinks. That was the plan.

Driving while black and all of the other whining your ilk does is ridiculous.
Posted by 101Chairborne


Spoken like a true white guy who has no clue what it's like to be black.

How many white people get pulled over in predominantly black neighborhoods for suspicion of buying drugs, picking up hookers, etc?

Posted by 101Chairborne


I don't know, as I've never read a news story about this or heard a personal anecdote. Have you? Or is this an idea you're pulling out your ass?

Chumplet,
If that puddin would have kept her fucking yap shut and acted like a civilized human being she could have spared her alpha male the beatdown he got.

Posted by 101Chairborne


Of course, why didn't I see it before? The problem isn't that there are racist police, it's that Blacks don't know their place when confronted by said racists.

I guess her proper response should have been, "Yessir, mo' tea sir?"

On Wright, they find 8 seconds out of tens of thousands of hours and they think they've made their case?


Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2008-03-19 06:55 PM
Obama's brand of "liberalism" at times seems closer to Bill Clinton's "third way" than to the Michael Moore/George Soros/Rev. Jeremiah Wright school of delusional hatred. Speaking of Rev. Wright, it is difficult to align the overall notion of the "audacity of hope" with Rev. Wright's long history of racially inflammatory remarks.

A conservative reviews Senator Obama's latest book .... , October 17, 2006
By Dr. Emil Shuffhausen

Notice the date? How could you possibly think there is only eight seconds of his rants?


Most analysts are calling this speech one of the great ones in American history.


Posted by AMERICANUNITY

ANAL-ysts is more like it...damage control was all it was, and didn't work...check out the latest polls...slipping big time...
NO-BAMA 08!!!

Check back with us in a week ...king. And be ready to have your ass handed to you.

A man waiting for a car repair sees the Obama speech on TV. People come and go and watch. Not everyone in this country is like the National Review crowd:

I've watched the speech again since this morning, and it didn't disappoint, but just at that moment I stopped watching it ... and started watching the people around me. The young black man. The elderly white couple. The two white women, one college-aged, one in her late-20s. One middle-aged white woman. Two white men, one college-aged, one in his late-30s. One Asian couple. All of them were watching the speech. Rapt. Nodding.

Gradually, the twentysomething white woman went back to her laptop, but kept smiling when Obama would say something important. The elderly white couple whispered in their Southern accented way: "He's really good... He's saying good things... He's a good young man..." The young black man chuckled when Obama said that Sunday morning was the most segregated hour in America, but was otherwise simply watching. And at one point, the middle-aged white woman asked one of the dealership folks, in another thick, thick Southern accent if she wouldn't mind turning up the volume, because she really wanted to hear this speech.

She, this white Southern woman from the suburbs, wanted to hear this speech, delivered by a Black man with a funny name running for President. And she was nodding.

But she wasn't the only one.


andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com

Every so often, I run into a poll showing that McCain is essentially tied against both Clinton and Obama. Sometimes I then run into someone on the left who thinks this spells Big Trouble. I wouldn't pay polls like this much mind under any circumstances: it's much too early for them to matter. But in this case in particular, I have a couple of further reasons for not worrying about them. One is that McCain gets to say silly things like this without being challenged. His reputation as a serious thinker on national security can only survive so long as people don't notice things like this.

But the second is that people have not yet had the chance to see Obama and McCain go head to head. Today we saw exactly how intelligent and nuanced Obama is. In this series of remarks by McCain (and others; it's not unique), we can see exactly how unprepared he is to win an argument against Obama.

In terms of intellect, grasp of policy details, nuance, and depth of knowledge, McCain is just not in Obama's league -- or, for that matter, Clinton's. When we have a chance to see McCain debate a Democratic nominee, I have every confidence that this fact will become painfully obvious.


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Except to morons, but who's depending on morons anyway?

Oops, sorry about that Senator Clinton.....

Most analysts are calling this speech one of the great ones in American history.

Because it was.

On Wright, they find 8 seconds out of tens of thousands of hours and they think they've made their case?

ClintCo have certainly tapped into the white rage/racist component of American society with their cherry picked selective outrage sound bytes.

Trouble fer them is that they did it too early. Rational people, those who pay close attention and aren't lead by the nose by MSM sound bytes replayed endlessly, are already pointing out the fact that this "controversy" is purely manufactured bullshit.

They are noting the fact that the (mostly white) religious right has largely gotten a pass for their far more egregious and dangerous behaviours pover the years.

They are noting the fact that yet another populist candidate is being predictably savaged in favour of the two corporately pre-approved status quo candidates left in the race.

They are noting that Obama makes nothing but sense and that it is in fact McClintCotaint that are the naive ones slavishly telling comfortable lies to the electorate rather than the real hard truths that they so need to hear.

This is, of course, why McCain is pandering at a furious rate and selling out his once rational positions to the GOP status quo. It's why Hillary has structured her candidacy to appeal to the least informed voters in the Dem base.

America will either prove that it has the ability, in the main, to see past the fabric of the lies it's been swaddled in for generations or it will prove to be the most dumbed down and propagandised nation on earth.

Again.

We shall see.

08ama '08.

Be Well.

Tony,
Not that you ever use anything Thomas Sowell writes, but where is he wrong?


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If Barack Obama was not in church that particular day, he belonged to that church for 20 years. He made a donation of more than $20,000 to that church.

In all that time, he never had a clue as to what kind of man Jeremiah Wright was? Give me a break!

You can't be with someone for 20 years, call him your mentor, and not know about his racist and anti-American views.

Neither Barack Obama nor his media spinmeisters can put this story behind him with some facile election-year rhetoric. If Senator Obama wants to run with the rabbits and hunt with the hounds, then at least let the rabbits and the hounds know that.

The fact that Obama talks differently than Jeremiah Wright does not mean that his track record is different. Barack Obama's voting record in the Senate is perfectly consistent with the far-left ideology and the grievance culture, just as his wife's statement that she was never proud of her country before is consistent with that ideology.

Senator Barack Obama's political success thus far has been a blow for equality. But equality has its down side.

Equality means that a black demagogue who has been exposed as a phony deserves exactly the same treatment as a white demagogue who has been exposed as a phony.

We don't need a president of the United States who got to the White House by talking one way, voting a very different way in the Senate, and who for 20 years followed a man whose words and deeds contradict Obama's carefully crafted election-year image.

"b. the issue was one isolated event from the 70's"

You need a serious lesson in reading comprehension. Mehlman admits it in the 60's, 70's, 80's, and 90's.

"you and I both know that you are stupid beyond words...."

Says the guy who was willing to lie about the "isolated event".

or it will prove to be the most dumbed down and propagandised nation on earth.

Posted by dethspud


That's my guess.

Equality means that a black demagogue who has been exposed as a phony deserves exactly the same treatment as a white demagogue who has been exposed as a phony.

Posted by crispee_oc


So you expect him to win, do you? After all, it worked for W.

Where on earth do you guys get off telling me that England is more racist than America? To begin with I am guessing that you have never been there, there are more bi-racial couples than you can even imagine. Secondly, I grew up in the 60s, there were never segregated schools, restaurants, laundromats, whatever. People of colour have been integretated into society since day one. Period. I went to school with Pakistani immigrants since I was a child. They were my playmates, my sister IS HALF BLACK which many of you conveniently ignored being the ignoramuses you are, she was adopted by my mother. I was raised colour blind, you want to have a discussion about race then talk to me and my sister, a lily white English girl and a half black elder sister who is my mentor, my joy and the very rock of my life. You want to talk the talk? Then walk the walk. Oh and "what about the race riots" did you conveniently forget LA after Rodney King? Yeah thought so.

Crispee...

I have countered what I consider to be a falacious argument whether it comes from Sowell or any other person with the facts as I see them. Sowell uses a broad brush that discounts every other sermon which Wright has given that DOESN'T invoke race or anti-Americanism over a 20 year period to instead take a couple instances and ASSUME them representative of the whole.

I call it hubris and intellectual laziness if this is all he can bring to the table. Mike Huckabee, not flaming liberal understands what happened in a way only another preacher could, and this is what he says:

"[Y]ou can't hold the candidate responsible for everything that people around him may say or do," Huckabee says. "It's interesting to me that there are some people on the left who are having to be very uncomfortable with what ... Wright said, when they all were all over a Jerry Falwell, or anyone on the right who said things that they found very awkward and uncomfortable, years ago. Many times those were statements lifted out of the context of a larger sermon. Sermons, after all, are rarely written word for word by pastors like Rev. Wright, who are delivering them extemporaneously, and caught up in the emotion of the moment. There are things that sometimes get said, that if you put them on paper and looked at them in print, you'd say 'Well, I didn't mean to say it quite like that.'"

"We've gotta cut some slack to people who grew up being called names; being told you have to sit in the balcony when you go to the movie; you have to go to the back door to go into the restaurant; you can't sit out there with everyone else, there's a separate waiting room in the doctor's office; here's where you sit on the bus .. . And you know what? Sometimes people do have a chip on their shoulder, and resentment, and you have to just say, "I probably would, too. I probably would, too. And in fact, I may have had more of a chip on my shoulder had it been me."


Everyone should understand why men of Wright's generation have so much pent up anger at the discrimination they had to face daily, even as the wore the uniform of this country's military.(Wright was a former Marine) Doesn't make it right, but it does make it nothing more than another part of the human condition to which we all are framed by for both better and for worse.

Spud--

The only one who is racist is Wright--and mostly hateful.

Obama has said he has better judgement in place of his experience.

Well--now it comes to light he has no judgement either.

He is not qualified to be POTUS. I don't want the likes of Wright in my country's WH. And you know he will be invited.

The man (Wright) hates America and Obama is trying to pull a fast one and almost got away with it.

The MSM has failed miserably and we still have folks who accpet the comments as ok and fine and nothing wrong--that's because they are liberals and or lefties who hate America too.

The speech admitted he heard or knew of the slander and hatred spewed by his pastor and he won't disown him.

Huckster should get his head examined--except he has probably heard similar hatred from white folks and did nothing to correct them or disown them.

For Obama the race is over. Someone predicted Hillary will drop out (after NC) as she can't catch Obama. And he will lose the general leaving her intact to come back in four years and run again against McCain. The last part is I thought of.

His speech was great about race--but the pastor is about hate--he didn't address that and he won't rebuke the pastor. So Obama standing on stupidity like he did for 20 years is lost.

Murphy

Your Country, Murphy?

Murphy...

There is more hatred in your diatribe than in Wright's entire life as a preacher. Read what another preacher named Mike Huckabee has to say about this right above your vomit.

Wright has facts and history on his side, all you have is an overt hatred, looking for a piece of flotsam to cling onto in your ocean of directed loathing.

Go through half of what Wright faced in his life before even thinking about criticizing his words. They are directed at those like yourself who cannot fathom the life of second class citizenship many of us have had to endure through no fault of our own, living in a society formerly constructed to minimize our very existence and to perpetuate our victimhood through active discrimination and abject denial of equal rights. As the indians used to say, "walk a mile in my moccassins before you cast aspersions."

You wouldn't last ten feet, much less one mile.

Secondly, I grew up in the 60s, there were never segregated schools, restaurants, laundromats, whatever.

~Lil Brit.

Spud thought they called them "Laundrettes" in Old Blighty.

You know like in the
movie?

The only one who is racist is Wright--and mostly hateful

~Murphy

Wright is a racist? News to Spud. Wright talks about White America with a lot of anger. Anger that is not totally unjustified. As Spud has sed before Spud is less concerned with
Wright than in the number of simply minded folks like yerself who have no experience and no understanding of the black church falling for this all too obvious smear campaign by Hillary and the MSM against the best candidate America has had in decades simply because he's a populist and not under the control of the people who really run your country.

Spud is far more concerned with the evDEVILicals and Talibaptist who preach the real message of hate and immorality with their anti reproductive rights & anti equal right agenda as well as their unconditional support of the Iraq war as being part of God Plan (tm) That's not only racist and divisive and hateful but it's also purely insane.

Face it Murphy you were never gonna vote for either Obama or Hill in the first place. As far as Spud can tell nobody around here who supported Obama before this bullshit manufactured "controversy" came up have fallen off the Obama bandwagon since. In fact this utter twaddle has made Spud even more commited to making folks aware of what a good candidate Obama is and how dangerous and stupid McCunt and Shrillary are to America.

Be Well.

The man (Wright) hates America and Obama is trying to pull a fast one and almost got away with it.

Posted by MURPHY


Show me where he said he "hates" America.

Do Jerry Fallwell and Pat Robertson also "hate" America?


Referring to 9/11....
JERRY FALWELL: -- I point the finger in their face and say "you(Americans) helped this happen."

PAT ROBERTSON: Well, I totally concur,... And so we're responsible as a free society for what the top people do. .

You people who think Oboma would be good for our country are fucking nuts.... I know you thought he was great and could do some "Change". (what ever that means) But now you got a real look at him. He is a racist. The man has been getting guidance from a racist pastor for 20 years............... HELLOOOOOOOOO WAKE UP LIBS....



Birds of the same feather flock together....

Spud you are correct, just didn't think our American friends would understand my beautiful laundrette :)

Slayer, not to be too insulting, but hopefully most people aren't as stupid and gullible as you concerning issues like this.

Birds of the same feather flock together....

Posted by libslayer


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www.bradblog.com
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Spud you are correct, just didn't think our American friends would understand my beautiful laundrette :)

Totally sweet film!

Daniel Day Lewis before Unbearable Lightness of Being, or My Left Foot or Gangs of New York or There Will be Blood.

Speaking of MBL do you remember a singer called Lloyd Cole? Of "Lloyd Cole and the Commotions"? He did a really cool song called "Mr Malcontent" that referenced that movie. Good song. Not available on teh u-tubes, damnit! Got some good stuff of his there though.

Perfect Skin.

Seen him live a few times. Good stuff.

Ha! Deth is Anglophile Spud!

Be Well.

On Wright, they find 8 seconds out of tens of thousands of hours and they think they've made their case?


Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2008-03-19 06:55 PM


Kind of like on Global Warming.

Cheers,
Walt

Hitler's horse is buried outside New Orleans on the La Branche Plantation. La Branche is French for the English word TWIG. The English called the La Branche Family Twig cause they couldn't pronounce the word Zweig. There is a verse in the Bible I read and didn't highlight that talks about Edom ... SWEARING only a remnant would enter into Jacob, though twig and thy plantation ... ... ( If anyone knows the location of this verse please post I can't find it so many of you need to remain skeptical ... .my study here is not refined.
HOWEVER ... .Obadiah is an old testament book. Go read it. It is only one chapter. American Astronauts love for people to read only verse 4 and boast themselves as it being about them.
The verse reads about Edom, the descendants of Sodom, Esau, Ishmael ... .I believe ?? ... (Esau was hated because he trusted in the sword and not the Lord. )

Verse 4 goes.

Though thou exalt thyself as the Eagle, ( American and German soldiers have Eagles on their helmets.???), and though thou set they Nest among the stars (Astronauts saying THE EAGLE HAS LANDED) , thence will I bring thee down, saith the Lord. ( ground zero and Katrina????) White Presidents are just arrogant enough to get us to this part, but maybe it takes a peace loving plow pusher like Obama to get as through what the rest of the chapter and possibly his pastor is implying.

Americans seem to pride themselves in vainly referring to themselves in this chapter/book only in verse 4.

Now don't ignore the rest of the CHAPTER folks.

Verse 3 reads. The pride of thine heart hath deceived thee, small among the heathen ... (TWIG), Thou art greatly despised. ..Why do people hate American's so much.??????HUMMMMMM

Free AT LAST
Endure unto the end.
Reverend Wright is not a hatemonger ... ..His anger does come comes directly from his love for Jesus and the word of GOD ... as he said ... from the BIBLE ... ... because HE HATES the shedders of innocent blood.

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