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Tuesday, March 18, 2008

Democratic Sen. Barack Obama on Tuesday tried to stem damage from divisive comments delivered by his pastor, while bluntly addressing anger between blacks and whites in the most racially pointed speech yet of his presidential campaign.

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Still reelin', and on the defensive, Barry tries to convince us he only hates America on Sundays when he goes to church.

"This speech on where he stands with his religion should really give him a boost."

--Mitt Romney

Philadelphia?

The City of Brutha-ly luff?

Well, that makes sense.

Anyone who thinks Baraack Obama is a racist is prolly a racist themselves (See Johnson) or an idiot (See Johnson again)

Be Well.

So he's a NASCAR fan now?

Five weeks before the Pennsylvania primary, Mr. Obama had hoped to be refining his strategy to win over the support of white male voters -- a demographic that began to slip away in his Ohio defeat. Instead he is facing his second straight week of negative news coverage.

Time and again, Obama has shown that he's terrible when put on the defensive. This speech will only bring more questions to more people about what he says and what he actually practices. The Republicans will have him continually jumping through hoops if the Dems are stupid enough to nominate him.

Time and again Obama has shown he is great when people continue to try and put him on a defensive stance.

Clearly as time goes on and those on the hillary side see they have already lost and there is no hope the defensive will not be coming from their own party.

It is striking that nothing about Baghdad bob mccain is hitting this sight withi more frequence.

We see how poorly the economy is doing, hell, the United States have now lost the number one position as the largest economy do to bush economic ideas and mccain wants to follow in those same tracks. I would think these repubneoliberals would be trying to effect change within their own party.

Time and again Obama has shown he is great when people continue to try and put him on a defensive stance.

Yup, that's why he lost Ohio, TX and RI right after that stupid "3:oo am" ad by Hillary. His campaign's response to that was awful, as befitting a bunch with no experience or savvy. This speech today is nothing more than a desperate response to the media drubbing he has taken on his spiritual adviser's hateful remarks, which Obama never denounced or questioned for almost 20 years. I hope they televise it, and allow questions at the end.

Yup, that's why he lost Ohio, TX and RI

hahaha mccain ran against a ken doll mormon and an evangelical evolution disbeliever, sounds like he had a tough competition hahahaha


vote mccain
vote chinese takeover of america

Cook,

Please tell us how Obama lost Texas. Ohio was only lost because of the lying side of canada saying it was Obama instead of hillary.

Obama has won outright, it is humorous watching you WOBs continue to throw shit on the wall thinking that it will change things.

With the economy the way it is and baghdad bob mccain preaching about the bush economic plans are great and stable while our country falls is such a bright place for you people to be sitting. I just wonder if those running for the house and senate take the same stance in the next few weeks.

America is going to continue to fall but at a faster pace with each month that nothing is done to make corrections. Hope you're up to the situation while pushing crap like conspiracy thoughts of knowing/knew of obamas preacher.

You people just have to make me laugh.

to cons really hate america that much that they want it to fall into mediocrity

we used to be the greatest nation and potentially still the greatest... if mccain is voted in we'll be chinese bitches

nice

hey look at all these sand dwellers in afghanistan, they are the greatest threat to the world... don't mind the superpower we owe hundreds of billions too behind the red curtain that kill peaceful protesters and suppress any freedom of speech and press.

oh and don't protest the olympics just because china shoots people in tibet.

do cons have an alternative agenda??
hmm?

hey look at all these sand dwellers in afghanistan, they are the greatest threat to the world... don't mind the superpower we owe hundreds of billions too behind the red curtain that kill peaceful protesters and suppress any freedom of speech and press.

oh and don't protest the olympics just because china shoots people in tibet.


Yeah, the U.S. does it behind close doors and secrets them off to prisons instead of being up front.

I can see real differences, can't you.

I think if he becomes president this will be a historical speech. That being said I think he has to come clean, he can't say he didn't know what this racist preacher was saying, and he can't finesse it either. I'm looking forward to hearing it and I'm sure it will get torn apart and picked though by the pundits.

Protester, LOL!!

Klif, The U.S. just bring those they don't like up as thiefs and try and exclude evidence from people who hold up to ideals of our laws.

Qwest bring any memory up for you and the government being mad because of the refusal to give customer information without a court.

It is all the same just done differently.

may he choose his words carefully and stay completely away from the "po' black whitey got the brother down" attitude - and he needs to ditch the militant way he begins his "talks". it's offensive.

This speech could make him look very Presidential if he delivers it right with proper ideas and sound thoughts for the nation.

Let's see how inclusive he is rather than exclusive.

Gee, the Democrats have a full-blown international-socialist America-hating white-bashing racist as the leading contender for the office of president.

Can anybody say, "Over-reach much?" LOL!

Sorry farmer,

No longer leading, leader is the correct term.

No matter how you want to try and make this a character bash relevance it just isn't truthful or factual on any prudent terms.

We are looking forward to that speech.

Sincerely
Pearl Harbor Truthers for Obama

Yeah, us too, us too!

Sincerely
AIDS Conspiracy Truthers for Obama

My Pastor was right and this is the first time I'm proud to be an American. -Barrack Obama, former Presidential Nominee

money,

No matter how you want to try and hide Obama's character from public view, the truth will leak out before the election. When you lie down with dogs, you wake up with fleas.

I love you, you love me, we're a happy family!

I don't give a shit how many speeches the guy gives.

He's toast.

Maybe he should invite Rezko to his speech via video conference. They can jointly give a speech on ehtics in real estate to start.

Farmer,

How would you know? You have so many fleas you think it is a symbiotic relationship.

I don't try to hide Obamas character, I just don't propagate conspiracy theories of great assumptions to get to em.

This is starting to be a Dan Rather gate but from an obtuse direction.

Not interested in reality of the situation, just the ability to bash now and find out later all the false assumptions.

As long as the focus is on Obama, it will not be on baghdad bob mccain.

kris p bacon

you fan of chinese food.. cause thats what mccains bringing you

MONEYWAR

Trying to reason with unreasonable Rush sheep is like trying to get NASCAR to go in circles the other way around the track.

Who are they going to vote for? Rush has already declared McCain the AntiChrist.

Klifferd.

They're all bringing us chinese food.

They've also brought us German food, Japanese food, Italian food, Tai, Vietnamese, Russian etc. etc.

Are you prejudice against chinese people Klifferd?

You'd rather have lil 10 year old suzy chang performing yum yum on some adult tourist than making sneakers for people to wear. Is that it, Klifferd?

"Not interested in reality of the situation, just the ability to bash now and find out later all the false assumptions."

That is a very valid point. As I tried to point out before, but was of course drowned out in cacophony of hate, there is something very incongruous about how Wright is viewed within the ministerial and theological community, vs. what we've seen in these few seconds of video.

He is a respected and sought after teacher and lecturer at seminaries, theology schools, and pastoral gatherings all over the country. He is considered a leading expert on Protestant theology.

Surely at least some of these folks would have noticed along the way if there was something truly out of whack with his ideology.

Look Klifferd.

Toyota
Datsun/Nissan
Kia
BMW
Mercedes
Volkswagon
Suzuki
Honda
Kawasaki
Mitsubishi
Volvo
Subarau
Isetta (sp) it's what al gore should be foreced to drive


The list is extemely long Klifferd, maybe you get the point.

LOL! Yes, the GOP conspired to force Obama to attend weekly inverse-KKK meetings at the Trinity Church for 20 years.

"No matter how you want to try and hide Obama's character from public view, the truth will leak out before the election. When you lie down with dogs, you wake up with fleas."

It's interesting to note that Oprah left that church long ago. THIS is a great article by Shelby Steele. It's right on the mark!

online.wsj.com

"Surely at least some of these folks would have noticed along the way if there was something truly out of whack with his ideology."

Well, considering that 92% of the American people DO think his ideology is out of whack, I'd say that SOME folks do think so. This may come as a shock to you, SanAntone, but you are a very, very, very small minority...maybe not on the DR, but in the U.S., a very, very, very small segment of the population.

www.rasmussenreports.com

Sheeeeeeeet! Wuz up Philly!?! And...one one, two two, dats right y'all...untz untz...three, fo'...

Der was a nigga named Wright,
He had some words and they had some bite.
It gots nuttin to do with me,
Don't forget I'm half whitey,
put the focus back on hillary.

It's like dis and like dat,
I'm Hussien O-B, and I'm phat.

PEACE OUT! PRAISE TO THE NATION OF ISLAM!

Don't be posting that uncle tom shit here, Jest!

That's just garbage.

It's like I always thought... scratch the surface of a Democrat, and there's a racist just underneath.

Look at all the revelations we've had in the press recently. Bill Clinton's a racist. Geraldine Ferraro's a racist. And now, Barack Obama's a racist.

Those hypocrites down at the DNC who label all republicans as racist are finally getting a vetting. And "wallah"... it turns out, they're ALL racists AND hypocrites!!!

The problem Obama faces is simple but stark: in announcing his bid for the White House, the junior Senator from Illinois promised a "new kind of politics" built around a post-racial and, to a lesser degree, a post-partisan unity and harmony. Over the course of the campaign he has also asserted repeatedly that experience is less important than judgment - a claim he backs up in every instance by referring to his 2002 speech against Iraq.

But after this week's revelation about Wright, Obama's 20-year relationship with the pastor calls into question his promise of a post-racial era in American politics and his judgment, thus undermining the two core rationales of his candidacy.


Ju got some 'splainin' to do, Barry!

news.yahoo.com

Well, let's see what the speech entails. If he denies ever hearing any of Wright's BS, then it looks like it's gonna get into a lot of "he said, she said" real soon.

"Clarification: The Obama campaign has told members of the press that Senator Obama was not in church on the day cited, July 22, because he had a speech he gave in Miami at 1:30 PM. Our writer, Jim Davis, says he attended several services at Senator Obama's church during the month of July, including July 22. The church holds services three times every Sunday at 7:30 and 11 a.m. and 6 p.m. Central time. While both the early morning and evening service allowed Sen. Obama to attend the service and still give a speech in Miami, Mr. Davis stands by his story that during one of the services he attended during the month of July, Senator Obama was present and sat through the sermon given by Rev. Wright as described in the story. Mr. Davis said Secret Service were also present in the church during Senator Obama's attendance. Mr. Davis' story was first published on Newsmax on August 9, 2007. Shortly before publication, Mr. Davis contacted the press office of Sen. Obama several times for comment about the Senator's attendance and Rev. Wright's comments during his sermon. The Senator's office declined to comment."

"In fact, Obama was present in the South Side Chicago church on July 22 last year when Jim Davis, a freelance correspondent for Newsmax, attended services along with Obama. [See: "Obama's Church: Cauldron of Division."]

In his sermon that day, Wright tore into America, referring to the "United States of White America" and lacing his sermon with expletives as Obama listened. Hearing Wright's attacks on his own country, Obama had the opportunity to walk out, but Davis said the senator sat in his pew and nodded in agreement.

Addressing the Iraq war, Wright thundered, "Young African-American men" were "dying for nothing." The "illegal war," he shouted, was "based on Bush's lies" and is being "fought for oil money."

Obama's most famous celebrity backer, Oprah Winfrey began attending Wright's church in 1984. Last year, Newsmax magazine reported that Winfrey abruptly stopped attending years ago, and suggested that she did so to distance herself from Wright's inflammatory rhetoric. She soon found herself a target of Wright, who excoriated her for having broken with "traditional faith." by Ronald Kessler

"...label all republicans as racist..."

In early March 1989, after his legislative victory, Duke addressed a Populist party convention in Chicago, telling the audience of neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and skinheads that he had run for office under the GOP label "because that's where so many of our people are," adding, "I am a Republican, but I am and always will be a Populist Republican!"

Source
"And "wallah"..."

LOL!

Hans

"This may come as a shock to you, SanAntone, but you are a very, very, very small minority..."

Yes, I am aware that I am in a small minority of reasonable people who understand that you don't really know everything about someone from 30 seconds of video tape.

I am in a small minority of people who takes a look at the bigger picture and sees a disconnect between what is on those videos, and the distinguished reputation the man has among colleagues and institutions all over the country.

I am in a small minority of people who took the time to do some investigation into this guy and saw a different portrait than has the screeching horde who is trying to seize a political advantage.

I am in a small minority that is willing to admit that I just don't know all the answers about the man or the situation and decline to spew even more hate and divisiveness to the point of posting the same stuff over and over and over, even writing and perpetuating outright lies.

I am in a small minority, apparently, that believes a person should be judged by their own words and actions first and foremost.

I get it Jest. Too bad you don't.

As a Democrat, I'd like Hillary to do some explain as well about her connection to what has been dubbed by indirectly by its founder as the Christian Mafia:

www.drudge.com

"Yes, I am aware that I am in a small minority of reasonable people who understand that you don't really know everything about someone from 30 seconds of video tape."

Thirty seconds of video tape??? Where in hell have you been, SanAntone? Twenty fuckin' years of history we're talking about here. Oprah got fed up and left the church LONG ago. Get with it, boy!

"I get it Jest. Too bad you don't."

Hey, ol' buddy...I'm one of the 92% who DO get it.

I know it's painful, San Antone...I feel your pain. All this time your idol has been soaring high, winning primaries, preaching "hope," "change" and all that feel good stuff and all of a sudden, he's headed in the tank. It's gotta hurt big time. However, it's not MY fault, SanAntone, or any of your other DR brothers like Cookfish, FarmerJohn, KrisPBacon, 101Chairborne, Wisgod and the others. We ALL have sympathy for you , Klifferd, Hans and the rest of your little friends. Don't grieve for long, SanAntone. Have a good cry and cheer up. After all, you still have Hillary.

After all, you still have Hillary.

Ha! FF!

jest i don't think you get it

if you got it

then bush wouldn't be in office
mccain would be finishing up his 2 terms about now

and things would have been different

but now we have a mccain who is doing bush's 3rd term instead of being himself.

and maybe he's playing the game of politics
and just saying he's in line with bush to get the nod of approval, and be his old self when he gets into office... but that kind of stuff is what we're all sick of... the lies the lies the lies

bancrupcy bush with 2 failed business
and 2 failed terms

3rd times a charm

mccain for full american bancrupcy!
yay

"After all, you still have Hillary."

Jest gets the Tuesday "Kick a man when he's down" award.

Spud,

Anyone who thinks Baraack Obama is a racist is prolly a racist themselves

I disagree. The fact is that a whole lot of blacks are still upset about slavery and how they were treated up until what the 70's, 80's maybe. That Oblahma chose to attend an anti-White, pro-Africa church, and is married to a woman who has only been proud of her country when Oblahma gets near the nomination is a pretty clear indicator of Racism. How much do you want to bet me that some white dude at some time in the past hasn't called him a nigger? And poor little scrawny big eared Oblahma was unable to defend himself or was outnumbered and had to walk away with head down because he was unable to fight back. If you were black, and grew up in a society where blacks were discriminated against and probably heard horror stories from Granny or someone, wouldn't a reasonable person assume that some ill feelings would exist towards the group that did the discriminating? Would that make it OK? So if some black guys beat me up I can be a black hating racist?

He wrote that he used alcohol, marijuana, and cocaine during his teenage years to "push questions of who I was out of my mind".[

That was from Wiki, which I normally don't use but was in a hurry. This guy has clearly struggled his whole life with issues concerning race. To think he is somehow "Above the Influence" of being a racist is a bit of a stretch. It is a good thing he had a white mom and an absent dad.

Cheers,
Walt

"but now we have a mccain who is doing bush's 3rd term instead of being himself."

mccain??? bush's 3rd term??? Damn, kliff...are you starting to snort that stuff this early in the morning or are you just continuing from last night? I have no idea what you're talking about. Let me help you here:

"OBAMA TO GIVE SPEECH ON RACE TOMORROW"

That is the title of the thread. other topics germane to the subject have to do with Reverend Jeremiah Wright and the United Church of Christ in Chicago. Did you think you were somewhere else or are you just having trouble clearing the cobwebs from what you use for a brain?

"Jest gets the Tuesday "Kick a man when he's down" award.

Posted by wisgod"

Read my post again and see if you think I'm "down". I was attempting to take a step back and ask some legitimate questions that nobody else seems willing to consider.

All Republicans are racists

Hans,

Tell that to the Democratic Grand Kleagle of the KKK that's currently three heartbeats aways from the presidency, Robert Byrd.

At least Duke wasn't a hypocrite, hypocrite. ;-)

Here's today's Obama speech.

Vote for Obama... in order to create a more perfect union. LOL!

This time we want to talk about the men and women of every color and creed who serve together, and fight together, and bleed together under the same proud flag.......

..that I won't even salute or wear on my lapel.

Love,

Barry



Text of Obama's speech

www.huffingtonpost.com

"But the remarks that have caused this recent firestorm weren't simply controversial. They weren't simply a religious leader's effort to speak out against perceived injustice. Instead, they expressed a profoundly distorted view of this country - a view that sees white racism as endemic, and that elevates what is wrong with America above all that we know is right with America; a view that sees the conflicts in the Middle East as rooted primarily in the actions of stalwart allies like Israel, instead of emanating from the perverse and hateful ideologies of radical Islam.


As such, Reverend Wright's comments were not only wrong but divisive, divisive at a time when we need unity; racially charged at a time when we need to come together to solve a set of monumental problems - two wars, a terrorist threat, a falling economy, a chronic health care crisis and potentially devastating climate change; problems that are neither black or white or Latino or Asian, but rather problems that confront us all."

" I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community. I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother - a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe.


These people are a part of me. And they are a part of America, this country that I love.


Some will see this as an attempt to justify or excuse comments that are simply inexcusable. I can assure you it is not. I suppose the politically safe thing would be to move on from this episode and just hope that it fades into the woodwork. We can dismiss Reverend Wright as a crank or a demagogue, just as some have dismissed Geraldine Ferraro, in the aftermath of her recent statements, as harboring some deep-seated racial bias."

Geraldine Ferraro- well, you know that was coming.

The botton line appears to be that Obama will stick to the claim that regardless of his long and close association with the Pastor, he had no clue that he was condemning America and whites from the pulpit.

Excerpt from the speech:

I can no more disown him [Rev. Wright] than I can disown the black community. I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe.

Nailed it.

Should put it to rest, which is unfortunate for Clinton because she needs divisive politics to win.

This is the reality in which Reverend Wright and other African-Americans of his generation grew up. They came of age in the late fifties and early sixties, a time when segregation was still the law of the land and opportunity was systematically constricted. What's remarkable is not how many failed in the face of discrimination, but rather how many men and women overcame the odds; how many were able to make a way out of no way for those like me who would come after them.

But for all those who scratched and clawed their way to get a piece of the American Dream, there were many who didn't make it those who were ultimately defeated, in one way or another, by discrimination. That legacy of defeat was passed on to future generations those young men and increasingly young women who we see standing on street corners or languishing in our prisons, without hope or prospects for the future. Even for those blacks who did make it, questions of race, and racism, continue to define their worldview in fundamental ways. For the men and women of Reverend Wright's generation, the memories of humiliation and doubt and fear have not gone away; nor has the anger and the bitterness of those years. That anger may not get expressed in public, in front of white co-workers or white friends. But it does find voice in the barbershop or around the kitchen table. At times, that anger is exploited by politicians, to gin up votes along racial lines, or to make up for a politician's own failings.

And occasionally it finds voice in the church on Sunday morning, in the pulpit and in the pews. The fact that so many people are surprised to hear that anger in some of Reverend Wright's sermons simply reminds us of the old truism that the most segregated hour in American life occurs on Sunday morning. That anger is not always productive; indeed, all too often it distracts attention from solving real problems; it keeps us from squarely facing our own complicity in our condition, and prevents the African-American community from forging the alliances it needs to bring about real change. But the anger is real; it is powerful; and to simply wish it away, to condemn it without understanding its roots, only serves to widen the chasm of misunderstanding that exists between the races.


Well put, Barack!

Obama seeks unity and understanding in a country torn apart by divisiveness and mistrust and ignorance.

Even as Shrillary and her minions, folk like Scary Geri Ferraro and our own beluffed Corky try to sow the seeds of destruction using the politics of hate and fear-mongering.

Your campaign of fear-mongering will backfire Corky.

Your campaign of Hill or Hell will ultimately collapse under the weight of it's own hate and ignorance.

Obama seeks to bring the whole country together even as Hillary tries to tear the Democratic party apart.

Even someone barely paying attention to all this furor can easily see who preaches the politics of change and hopefullness and who preaches the politics of Rovian dirty tricks and cynicism.

08ama '08.

Nobody else even comes close.

Be Well.

/Ta fer yer Drudge link there Farmer Longjohns.

//Spud was wondering wot to make his first blog entry of the day on.

///Thought I was goinna hafta wait to do one on BHO's speech but thanx to Matt "Das Scoop" Drudge now Spud don't hafta!

tax unfortunately the cons are getting desperate and use anything to try to get people against obama

because obama can and will defeat mccain

scurred

Taxman...

To Corky's chagrin, this entire episode has given Obama an unfettered opportunity to show the metal that he's made of. Even though race has been one of the unspeakable forces in the room, yet again we're reminded that he encompasses BOTH races, not just one because his skin happens to be brown.

In the longrun, I beleive we will look back on this incident as the moment Obama solidifies his convenant with America in a way neither Hillary nor McCain could ever possibly do. His demeanor and refusal to panic under pressure will serve him well when he takes over the White House next January, good lord willing.


Campaign of inconvenient truths, my dear half-baked one.

"Tell that to the Democratic Grand Kleagle of the KKK..."

Oops:

"I know now I was wrong. Intolerance had no place in America. I apologized a thousand times ... and I don't mind apologizing over and over again. I can't erase what happened."
Live in the now.

Hans


tax unfortunately the cons are getting desperate and use anything to try to get people against obama

because obama can and will defeat mccain

scurred

Posted by klifferd at 2008-03-18 11:05 AM | Reply


You fruits are classic. It's the "cons" doing this as opposed to Hussiens Dem rival...Fucking classic.

This speech was the dumbest thing he did since entering the race.

He should have kept his yap shut and stayed well away from the race aspect of it. He has now opened the door and will now be expected to comment every time someone says anything about race. Then it will become about nothing other than race. He just put the last nail in his own coffin.

I really hope I am right. If I am wrong, and he somehow manages to sucker the masses, I will eat crow on that prediction.

My money says he just did himself in. Who the fuck wants to listen to some black man wailing about racial shit? Not me and not anyone I know. It hasn't worked for any black candidate in the past and it won't work now.

And he used the term "seared". That is gonna come back.

Cheers,
Walt

Live in the now.

Hans

Posted by Hans at 2008-03-18 11:07 AM | Reply


Irony flag.

I am starting to think that this was planned from the get go. People ask, "Obama had to know this was going to be an issue, why didn't he address it earlier." Well, my unsavy political friends, you are witnessing why. This speech has brought him to the forefront of the political stage. Moreover, it is a speech that calls for racial unification and unity among all Americans. It acknowledges that there or ignorant people on both sides of the issue, and that we need to move beyond those people and come together as a nation.

I like what I hear so far, I commend him for not throwing the pastor under the bus when it would be the easiest thing to do. Also, he is confrointing the issues well.

Will keep watching.

"..that I won't even salute or wear on my lapel."

Jack Kinsgston agrees with you:
www.youtube.com

scurred aren't ya hahaha

Outstanding! Just outstanding! These issues we as a nation need to talk about!

Cookfish the lame troll trying to get shillary as the nom just so McCain beats her. How admirable is this guy? Won't work though tard. Anybody who can't come up with a better name than cookfish deserves to be ignored.

He's making headlines. Hillary can't make a speech about how penis and vagina should unite. Obama will dominate the press for the next few days. McCain will only get coverage if the Viagra kicks in during a press conference.

Nothing during a campaign happens by accident.

scurred aren't ya hahaha

Scurred like Oblahma who wouldn't dare show his children in public? McCain regularly shows off his pretty fine older lady of a wife and I know if he had 2 cute little blonde baby girls they would be front and center of every photo opp. But Oblahma can't do that can he? If he shows white America 2 little black girls, well, then, that is another story. Sad but true. He has tried so hard to ignore anything about himself which is black and now he has just cast the searchlight on it.

"Hello Pennsylvania, my name is Barack Obama and I represent all of you."

This is greatness! Beats the Romney Mormon speech out of the water and McCain nor Hillary could ever come close to this.

Obama is a racist isn't going to convince anyone. This issue is a contrived attempt to stop the Obama juggernaut. If his lack of a flag pin didn't already convince the morons of AMerica this attempt won't stop him either.

Anybody who can't come up with a better name than cookfish deserves to be ignored.

Posted by messiah

FF Boyd.

Anybody who can't come up with a better name than cookfish deserves to be ignored.

Posted by messiah at 2008-03-18 11:17 AM | Re


Is that why you changed handles pussy? Were you being ignored under your other handles or were you just mortified at how stupid people thought you were?

Nothing during a campaign happens by accident.

Howard Dean might disagree.

Cheers,
Walt

He quoted Faulkner, for Christssake.

Anybody who can't come up with a better name than cookfish deserves to be ignored.

Gotcha, Jacka- I mean Byrdma - I mean Messiah. Don't you have another jew-hating thread to post?

Listen to the crowd, he is really nailing it. This reminds me of the 2004 DNC Convention speech.

Expect this from Hillary and her fellow republicans: "Barack has always been a good speaker and this is no different, just words."

and I know if he had 2 cute little blonde baby girls they would be front and center of every photo opp.

You wish.

"If he shows white America 2 little black girls, well, then, that is another story. Sad but true."

That's is a reflection on your prejudices, not America's.

"Barack has always been a good speaker and this is no different, just words."

Fo shizzle.

He's on point like I've never seen before.

Mr. Obama is trying not just to distance himself from the minister's more provocative statements

Yes please distance yourself from the man who baptised you, from your preacher of 20 years, from the man who married you, from the man who spoke the words that you used to title your book.

Please tell us how you are nothing like this guy, how he has had no effect on your thought process, and belief structure...

LOL... he's just an aquaintance.

Howard Dean might disagree.

Ok,

Nothing during a campaign happens by accident...unless the candidate is a dumbass.

and I know if he had 2 cute little blonde baby girls they would be front and center of every photo opp.

You wish.
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Bullshit and you know it. If McCain had 2 little cute babies he would be trotting them out at every opportunity. Oblahma can't do it and won't do it cause he knows that if people start looking at his black babies and start thinking of him less like Colin Powell and more like Jesse Jackson that he may as well hang it up and head home.

Cheers,
Walt

The botton line appears to be that Obama will stick to the claim that regardless of his long and close association with the Pastor, he had no clue that he was condemning America and whites from the pulpit

-Corky

You're not even listening, are you?

All the lemmings are drooling over him right now. How pathetic...

I still am willing to bet he could break out of a bamboo birdcage.

And he's a heterosexual?

God that pisses off the Right.




Well, I think he managed to say everything that he thought every one would want to hear, all in one speech.

If he and his own staff had not been race-baiting and fanning the flames of victimization all along, it would seem more sincere.

www.drudge.com

"That anger is not always productive; indeed, all too often it distracts attention from solving real problems; it keeps us from squarely facing our own complicity in our condition, and prevents the African-American community from forging the alliances it needs to bring about real change."

Right...Spudski...and do you think recent events, even taking in THIS speech is going to change it? That THIS speech will have the impact that Wright's antics over the last twenty years is having? Do you REALLY believe that those who were NOT going to vote for Obama will now do so as a result of this speech. Just consider Wright's congregation, do you really believe that Obama's speech has made them want to reconcile with the "white man?"

"But the anger is real;"

Damn sure is and it has been fanned over the past weeks.

"... it is powerful; and to simply wish it away, to condemn it without understanding its roots, only serves to widen the chasm of misunderstanding that exists between the races."

Well, rest assured it ain't going away by November. None of it matters to me, personally, I wasn't going to vote for him way prior to all this hoopla. Not because of his race, but because he is WAAAAAAY too far left for me. None of the candidates is a pied piper for me! I just think the blind followers getting so excited over a mere politician is amusing, especially for some Canadian who can't even vote...LOL.

if people start looking at his black babies and start thinking of him less like Colin Powell and more like Jesse Jackson that he may as well hang it up and head home.

And who would do something like that?

Nigger-baby-hating racists?

Like you?

Oh, I get it now. Obama's white grandmother used racial stereotypes so it is okay for Obama to have a spiritual mentor that hates whitey. Pretty clear cut - now I know that I don't want Obama or his grandmother to be president.

"Barack has always been a good speaker and this is no different, just words."

Considering that's all he ever did in the Illinois Senate, he should be a good speaker.

I still am willing to bet he could break out of a bamboo birdcage.


POSTED BY MANYPATHS AT 2008-03-18 11:27 AM | REPLY | FLAG:


That is a sick thing to say.

Cheers,
Walt

Please tell us how you are nothing like this guy, how he has had no effect on your thought process, and belief structure...

-Rob

You're not listening, either.


I still am willing to bet he could break out of a bamboo birdcage.

Posted by Manypaths at 2008-03-18 11:27 AM | Reply

I'm willing to bet he's better at breaking in to things.

if people start looking at his black babies and start thinking of him less like Colin Powell and more like Jesse Jackson that he may as well hang it up and head home.

And who would do something like that?

Nigger-baby-hating racists?

Like you?
POSTED BY NESS_GADOL AT 2008-03-18 11:29 AM | REPLY | FLAG:


Stick your head in the sand if you want. Bet you won't see those babies on stage.

Cheers,
Walt

The speech just ended, and it's quite possibly the best speech I've heard in years.

I guess they'd rather we hate each other and cast senseless aspersions around like hand grenades.

Dividing people is always a growth industry.

Admit it, you guys are just pissed off that his pastor doesn't fuck little boys.

It just drives you fuckers nuts!

If Hillary has the slightest sense, she will embrace this speech and agree with him totally.



So the chances are she will be critical and say he has not done enough - "just another speech" etc.


If Bill Clinton does not embrace this speech 100% he is a hypocrite, but we already know that.

I'd be shocked if this speech helps him in Pennsylvania, he's down like 13 points... I'd be even more shocked if this speech does anything except keep Rev. God Damn America on the TV for a while longer.

He said enough to keep his supporters from fleeing in masses, but then again he could walked out there and did bird calls for 45 minutes and most of his supporters would have cheered...

I'm willing to bet he's better at breaking in to things.

That's racist!

-Hussein Obama

The speech is over.

Ladies and Gentlemen, I present to you THE NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES; President-elect Barack Obama

Which University got the day off to attend this pep rally?

Walt, did you happen to see Obama's Christmas commercial where his kids took center stage? Moreover, his children have been on stage at other events. Obviously you haven't been paying attention.

"Not because of his race, but because he is WAAAAAAY too far left for me"

this i can except as a reason to not vote barack

but the calls of race or what some other guy he is friends with says, or that he is "better at breaking in to things"

thats just immaturity

jest, glad your honest about your opinions

Excellent speech. Very presidential. Showed his character and integrity. Demonstrated why those of us who are supporting him think so highly of him. If Pennsylvanias run from him, then the good people of my home state are not the sensible people I think they are.

Don't be surprised Rcade, most Socialist and Communist dictators thought their "visions" were bigger too.

Here's the weird thing about that.

Policies are either left or right.

Governments are either authoritarian or libertarian.

Hitler, Stalin, Mao Tse Tung, the Shah of Iran, Idi Amin, Mussolini, Pinochet, Papa Doc Duvalier, etc etc ad nauseum were all authoritarian dictators.

Left and right don't even enter into it.

America is sliding towards authoritarianism under the auspices of Righty Rule, of that, there can be no doubt. A slow creeping slide into diminished freedoms, a gradual erosion of cherished liberties, an increased governmental control over citizen's daily lives.

Do. Not. Want.

The last couple of decades in American politics have proven that the Right represent repression, division, a "rich get richer" mentality, whereby too much power is collecting into fewer and fewer hands.

Do. Not. Want.

Mao and Walt and other tragic wingnuts on this blog always bring up the canard of left wing dictatorships when the reality is that the democratic political left is indisputably the more libertarian political philosophy that tries to prevent a drop into the abyss of authoritarianism that Orwell warned us about while the right have only increased their love of societal control and their hatred of the democratic process and the ideals that America was founded on.

Sorry Walt, you FAIL.

Be Well.

Great speech. Obama's candidacy speaks to history. Whether it ends in the White House remains to be seen, but I have to think that this speech will stand as a watershed moment in American politics -- one of the things we'll most remember from this time.

It is a speech we have all been waiting for for a generation.

Really? We who? A bunch of racist blacks or the rest of us? I don't give a shit about the fact that blacks were slaves. I didn't enslave them and nobody I know enslaved them. So I don't care. You people are like the Palestinians and the Jews, you will never forget and you will never move on. You will be fighting and whining about this bullshit for centuries. Slavery has ended; black people can run for President, get a fucking life already!!! The reason Oblahma won't win isn't because he is a Negro, it is because he makes speeches about the woes of Negroes. Well fuck the Negroes. They have just as many opportunities to succeed as anyone else.

That was one impressive speech. He has certainly helped himself.

Rob-

You're not listening, either.

Posted by ness_gadol


No, I'm not... I'm reading it.

I see words like "Former Pastor." And to that I say bullshit... this guy is way too close to Obama for him to claim anything like "Former" at this point...


Walt, did you happen to see Obama's Christmas commercial where his kids took center stage?
Posted by taxman at 2008-03-18 11:37 AM | Reply


Those were pieces of coal you racist bastard!

Bet you won't see those babies on stage.

Knowing that there are creepy guys like you around would keep me from showcasing my children too. He already banhammered the pedophile webmaster who had pics of Obama's kids on his site with ratings of "cuteness."

www.thesmokinggun.com

Wright has already retired from Trinity's pulpit.

Message to San Antonio Rogue...

But Obama hasn't. So... what's his PLAN for effecting racial reconciliation? All he's done so far is to sit in a pew for twenty years (+) hoping for change and shouting "AMEN!" to Reverend Wright's every racial attack.

He claims to be an agent of "change". But his actions prove he's just part of the AMEN CHORUS for some of the worst bigots in America!

Hypocrite, thy name is Obama!


He said enough to keep his supporters from fleeing in masses, but then again he could walked out there and did bird calls for 45 minutes and most of his supporters would have cheered...

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole


Ok, that is pretty funny.

I am starting to detect a very unsettling factor. Much like his mom, who chose to fuck a black man to piss off her parents, I think you liberal Oblamites are supporting him just to piss off other people. The sad thing is it may just work, and you don't realize how stupid your actions actually are. I know why Spud wants him to win, it is because Spud hates America and wants to see it doomed, I do not know why the rest of you do.

Cheers,
Walt

Wright has already retired from Trinity's pulpit.

Message to San Antonio Rogue...

But Obama hasn't. So... what's his PLAN for effecting racial reconciliation? All he's done so far is to sit in a pew for twenty years (+) hoping for change and shouting "AMEN!" to Reverend Wright's every racial attack.

He claims to be an agent of "change". But his actions prove he's just part of the AMEN CHORUS for some of the worst bigots in America!

Hypocrite, thy name is Obama!

The speech just ended, and it's quite possibly the best speech I've heard in years.

I'd love to be a fly on the wall in the McCain and Clinton camps when they watch something like this. His writing and oratory are on another level.

uhmm rob
he's retired

thus
former

afraid to listen cause you might be inspired?

manypaths, you are an idiot.

It is a speech we have all been waiting for for a generation.

Really? We who? A bunch of racist blacks or the rest of us? I don't give a shit about the fact that blacks were slaves. I didn't enslave them and nobody I know enslaved them. So I don't care. You people are like the Palestinians and the Jews, you will never forget and you will never move on. You will be fighting and whining about this bullshit for centuries. Slavery has ended; black people can run for President, get a fucking life already!!! The reason Oblahma won't win isn't because he is a Negro, it is because he makes speeches about the woes of Negroes. Well fuck the Negroes. They have just as many opportunities to succeed as anyone else.

Walt, did you happen to see Obama's Christmas commercial where his kids took center stage?

The whorehouse in Thailand didn't have satellite.

Brilliant, inspiring. Thank you Barack

Demonstrated why those of us who are supporting him think so highly of him.

Considering the other choice will be a disabled munchcin whose claim to fame is getting his ass shot out of the sky by a family of third-world monkeys, is it really that difficult to support the guy?

McCain supporters are Nigger haters!

You guys are beyond lemming-like in your Obama addiction. It's fucking scary to be quite honest.

"Much like his mom, who chose to fuck a black man to piss off her parents..."

*sigh*

And the lies continue, unabated.

Obama should have come out as strong against his "Uncle" Reverend Wright's racist comments as he did in his speech today and instead done it immediately after this broke. He did not. Only now did Obama even admit that he had heard other inflammatory comments by "Uncle" Reverand Wright.

Only now does Obama even admit he had heard "other" comments besides the one's the Rev. Wright made that started this uproar.

We have ENOUGH problems in this country to deal with -- economy, Bush's war that's costing us billions, millions without health insurance, etc., -- without having to be BORED TO DEATH again with nothing but more race whinning.

Polically correct on my part? Hell no.
Am I probably like the majority of Americans? Hell yes.

I'd love to be a fly on the wall in the McCain and Clinton camps when they watch something like this. His writing and oratory are on another level.

That is exactly why I think Obama has been waiting for this to happen for some time. He used this opportunity to get unity and hope back in the heart of this campaign.

Walt, did you happen to see Obama's Christmas commercial where his kids took center stage? Moreover, his children have been on stage at other events. Obviously you haven't been paying attention.
POSTED BY TAXMAN AT 2008-03-18 11:37 AM | REPLY | FLAG:



Actually no, I didn't. I was without TV at the time. And although I do try very hard to stay up to date with the news, sometimes it can be difficult. Do you have a few photos of Oblama and the kids that you would like to share?

Cheers,
Walt

"Stick your head in the sand if you want. Bet you won't see those babies on stage."

What the hell are you talking about? They've been on stage with him several times. The introductory page of the campaign website has a picture of them on it.

They are young and possibly shy little girls for heaven's sake. Should he be required to trot them out at every event? They leave them at home most of the time where they go to school, play with their friends and lead as normal lives as possible. Michelle and Barack try to make sure at least one of them is present for all their school activities and other functions.

Your little hate games are fine to play with the adults, but taking it down to two little girls is shameful - even for you.

And to that I say bullshit... this guy is way too close to Obama for him to claim anything like "Former" at this point...

I see your point, but what I got from the speech is that he is accepting and, more importantly explaining, the rationale behind his position and how it reflects a very real racial divide between black and white Americans. He's right, people don't talk about it like they should, they ignore it. The best part was that he really didn't try to blame anyone in particular. He stated a reality. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it.

To hear such blunt comments from a politician should be refreshing to anyone.

Surprise, surprise. He makes another fluffy speech and all the sheep start bleating with excitement.

"I can no more disown him [Rev. Wright] than I can disown the black community. I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe."

You can't choose your grandmother. You sure as hell can choose who your spiritual mentor is, who you let baptize you, guide you, and teach you for 20 years. A spiritual mentor is someone you look to for wisdom and answers. That is what Wright is to Barack. Not a maladjusted preacher he's listened to on occasion, or a friend who helped him out in a rough time, but the person he thought for 20 years had most or all of the answers.

Oblamites are supporting him just to piss off other people.

No, we would then be Clinton supporters.

Please keep up. We know how to piss you off if that was what we intended to do.

Walt here is the video:

www.youtube.com

"You guys are beyond lemming-like in your Obama addiction. It's fucking scary to be quite honest."

After five years of needless war in Iraq, after the economy ending up in the toilet, etc. it is way beyond scary that some of y'all are still part of that 20%.

"McCain supporters are Nigger haters!"

vow

hahhahah

The whorehouse in Thailand didn't have satellite.
POSTED BY LEEATWATER AT 2008-03-18 11:42 AM | REPLY | FLAG:



Actually you fool, I was on Bagram Air Base in Afghanistan and at the time I did not have a TV.

Cheers,
Walt

Too bad Obama couldn't truncate his speech into a one-line sound-byte for all the meatbags-with-eyes out there. I've heard relatives say homophobic things. Should I disown them?

Wright has been cast as a demon by the ignorant. He got excited, said/did some crazy things. Now we're trying to Howard Dean Obama by association?

That don't make no sense.

We need two countries.

Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2008-03-18 12:26 PM


Right now it looks like we've got 5 or 6 "countries" rolled into one. How many more do you need?

His writing and oratory are on another level.

But his judgment abilities (you know, the ones he wants us to look at instead of his experience) just plain stink, unless you think having Rezko as a financial adviser and Wright as a spiritual adviser were good things. I'm thinking he should get Sharpton as his domestic policy adviser.

Walt, did you happen to see Obama's Christmas commercial where his kids took center stage?

The whorehouse in Thailand didn't have satellite.

No, your wrong. Walt goes to the one with little boys and they have local cable. He was there for his "stocking stuffer"....

Brilliant, inspiring. Thank you Barack.

- His writing and oratory are on another level.


He gives a good speech, even when forced to by his own mistakes. But let's not get carried away about "his" writing here...

www.nytimes.com

We need two countries.

Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2008-03-18 12:26 PM


Right now with all the ethnic/socio whining groups it looks like we've got 5 or 6 separate "countries" rolled into one. How many more do you need?

Much like his mom, who chose to fuck a black man to piss off her parents ...

That's the best you can do to refute the speech -- pretend you had a front row seat to his conception and turn it into something ugly, as if all interracial babies are conceived out of spite? The smallness of your viewpoint is staggering, Walt.

One reason so many of us are supporting Obama is to prove that America is bigger than that.

Actually you fool, I was on Bagram Air Base in Afghanistan and at the time I did not have a TV.

Cheers,
Walt


Oh, I had no idea you were just a pawn.

I'd love to be a fly on the wall in the McCain and Clinton camps when they watch something like this. His writing and oratory are on another level.

----

Just don't call him articulate.

Walt, here is more, go to 4 minutes and 50 secs into the video:

www.youtube.com

"another fluffy speech..."

Some people have no grasp of history.

Tax,

My computer does not get YouTube. Really.

www.drudge.com

McCain defends Obama over Wright.

The Clintons are still silent.

For the last few days there have been several half wits who have told me that I can't like Obama anymore because of what Jeremiah Wright said. If you have this problem too just ask them exactly what he said, none of them have been able to tell me.

I don't like Obama, I don't like any of them, but this little episode is ridiculous. How many religously insane republicans had to distance them self from Jerry Fartwell when he said that god allowed the world trade center to be attacked because boys were kissing each other? Why is it that the republicans aren't forced to denounce Ann Coulter when she calls the 9-11 widows caniving whores who planned the whole thing so they could make a buck? G. Gordon Liddy went on the air and told his followers that they should aim at the head of federal agents because they wear bullet proof vests.

I could name off hundreds, maybe thousands of insantces where some mouth breather on the right said something far worse than what Wright said, it never dominated the news cycle for days on end though. Kind of a double standard, isn't it?

Do you have a few photos of Oblama and the kids that you would like to share?


Here ya go Walt.

inprogress.typepad.com

www.theage.com.au

media.collegepublisher.com

www.prolifeblogs.com

Now tell us again how seeing those kids in public will hurt his campaign.

Wright has already retired from Trinity's pulpit.

No sh*t SanAntonioRogue. But what has Obama ever done in the interest of racial reconciliation? He tells everyone of the need to change and heal divisions, but then sits in the pew for over twenty years as part of Rev. Wright's "AMEN CHORUS".

Does THAT sound like someone looking to heal racial divisions in this country... or exploit them? Sounds like the latter to me.

Let's see Obama go back to his church on Sunday and start preaching something different to HIS own congregation. Let's see him heal the wounds at Trinity before he heals the nations wounds. Let him prove with deeds what he says he will do with words.

Oh yeah, he won't. Those wounds are what got him where he is today.

Hypocrite, thy name is Obama!

A classic exchange between Sean Hannity and John McCain last night (bolding mine):...


HANNITY: He's been -- but he's been going to the church for 20 years. His pastor -- the church gave a lifetime achievement award to one of the biggest racists and anti-Semites in the country, Louis Farrakhan. Would you go to a church that -- where your pastor supported Louis Farrakhan?


MCCAIN: Obviously, that would not be my choice. But I do know Sen. Obama. He does not share those views.


www.huffingtonpost.com

Don't you just love it when all the smearmongering idiots are shown just how far "off the ranch" their collective blatherings truly are when the Republican nominee AGREES that Obama shouldn't be tarred by what his pastor has said?

It also shows who has the decency and class to admit the obvious based upon their own personal assertation of Obama's personal character.

And it also shows who lacks said qualities in pursuit of a campaign built upon the destruction of the Democrat's leading nominee by the one who has no conceivable way of catching up without the implosion of an opponent's campaign.

But his judgment abilities (you know, the ones he wants us to look at instead of his experience) just plain stink

Posted by cookfish at 2008-03-18 11:46 AM | Reply

Like anyone should pay any attention to you on YOUR judgement. You voted for someone with no experiense who stole land for his private business through Eminent Domain, and couldn't run an oil business in Texas with the bin Laden family bailing him out---and you voted for him.

I doubt anyone with an ounce of sense would pay any attention to anything a moron like you would say about anyones judgement.

Yeah, Ness, Republicans are nice to the children of their political opponets, I'm sure they wouldn't even mention them . . . .

Ok, let's collect all the ugly things you have ever said during your life, post them on youtube and see how you are judged. The politically expedient thing for Obama to do would have been to throw Wright under the bus. The fact that he did not shows that he has integrity.

"Why is it that the republicans aren't forced to denounce Ann Coulter when she calls the 9-11 widows caniving whores who planned the whole thing so they could make a buck?"
--NOGOV4ME


How many Republicans claimed Ann as their mentor dipshit?

Very good speech...

Had it come to lead off his campaign, it would have been convincing. As it is, it'll probably take enough of the knee-jerk blubbering voters from Billary to get the nomination pretty easily.
The timing of it, though, makes it look calculatedm, whether or not he actually believes it. It will deprive him of the groundswell he needs to end all thoughtful voting.

In the general election, he has to sell losing the war and raising taxes to pay for all this healing....He loses to McCain and it probably won't be very close....

Speeches are nice, but good ideas matter.

A vote against Obama because of his halkf black heritage is certainly an indicator of racism.

???

How do you figure that? I am most certainly not a racist in the least. I'm not yet sure who I am voting for in November, but if I don't vote for Obama, that is an indicator of my racism?

That's pretty much the most ignorant thing I've ever heard.

Which search words should I use?


Are you kidding me?

You're like that kid in high school who used to give me $5 to see my test answers in Environmental Science...Lord knows what a difficult class that was...

One reason so many of us are supporting Obama is to prove that America is bigger than that.
POSTED BY RCADE AT 2008-03-18 11:47 AM | REPLY | FLAG:


Who do you need to prove something to? Do you want to wank the French off? You want to prove that you are not a racist, give some black dude 40 acres and a mule, not the keys to the fucking cookie jar.

Fool.

Cheers,
Walt

That is exactly why I think Obama has been waiting for this to happen for some time. He used this opportunity to get unity and hope back in the heart of this campaign.

Posted by taxman at 2008-03-18 11:44 AM | Reply


I'm willing to bet you bought one of those necklaces that has the 2 halves of the broken heart. You're currently wearing one, and once the order of protection expires, you're going to give the other half to Barry.

The level of brainwashing that it would take for you to actually believe what you typed above is fucking sickening. Do you have his poster hanging above your bed Tax?

Here is a picture Walt:

images.google.com

God Damn America!!!

Whites have suppressed blacks throughout this nation's history.

Did I misspeak? Was that accurate? Hmmmmmm....

(some people just hate facts. Here, here's a fetus for you to chew on. Feel better? How about some gay sex? You know gay sex always makes you feel better. How about in a bathroom? With a young boy? Yeah! You can fuck him in the ass and everything, just like your Congressmen! Good little Republican......it's all better after raping young children. Enjoy the rest of your day, and remember, if you're feeling down, you can always shoot a dark skinned person or two.)


Which search words should I use?


Are you kidding me?

You're like that kid in high school who used to give me $5 to see my test answers in Environmental Science...Lord knows what a difficult class that was...

TPMtv: McCain Can't Quit John Hagee

www.youtube.com

When Is McCains Turn?

-Sarge

Live or Die

I guess you can't read dummy. He didn't say that Ann Coulter was anyones mentor. He asked why republicans didn't denounce her actions.

Read it again. s l o w e r this time.

I didn't find a thing I could disagree with as an American - putting politics aside. Yet, already this thread is full of snarky comments a 14 year old could make with limited vocabulary and thought process.

Narrow minds react rather than ever becoming proactive for the betterment of anyone but their narrow group. They continue to thrive in the propagation of division and animosity. They have not moved out of the 50's way of thinking. Stupid inferences, same old innuendo. Their mindset hasn't moved in generations - nor done anything but ignore the world around them.

I doubt anyone with an ounce of sense would pay any attention to anything a moron like you would say about anyones judgement.

Coming from a batshit crazy fuck who sees moonmen swimming in his daily bowl of gruel, I take that as a compliment, Buffa My Knob. Knowing that I don't think like you is reassuring. Thank you.

"The Clintons are still silent."

Probable statement coming:

""Obviously, that would not be my choice. But I do know Sen. Obama. He does not share those views.....as far as I know."

Now tell us again how seeing those kids in public will hurt his campaign.
POSTED BY NESS_GADOL AT 2008-03-18 11:48 AM | REPLY | FLAG:



A few of those shots look recent. Thank you for digging and finding 4 shots. Tell the truth, how hard was it?

Cheers,
Walt

I doubt anyone with an ounce of sense would pay any attention to anything a moron like you would say about anyones judgement.

Buffalo Bob


Anybody else see the irony in Bob's post?

I doubt conservatives will ever change their mind. I doubt liberals will ever change their mind. We need two countries

That is the coward's way out. The strong work to unite.

Who do you need to prove something to? Do you want to wank the French off? You want to prove that you are not a racist, give some black dude 40 acres and a mule, not the keys to the fucking cookie jar.

I don't need to prove that I'm not a racist. I need to prove that my America is bigger than yours.

Well I watched and listened to his speech and I've come to the conclusion that he needs a new speech writer. ME.

Allow me to translate.

I'm going to continue to push for SPECIAL priviledges for black americans.

Signed, Obama.

No wonder they pay me the big bucks. I can get done in a few minutes what takes others days to do.



Here is a picture Walt:

images.google.com

Posted by taxman

Taxman, my daughter is pictured in a book making pizza's with his two girls. They are about 3 and 5 years older then my daughter and took her for the afternoon making food. I could not have asked for better babysitters.

"Live or Die

I guess you can't read dummy. He didn't say that Ann Coulter was anyones mentor. He asked why republicans didn't denounce her actions.

Read it again. s l o w e r this time."
--BUFFALO_BOB


Hey dumbfuck, I didn't say he did. But you would have to be something more than a dumbfuck to understand that, would you? At least try to be a dumbfuck with an ounce of reading comprehension.

101, I am in no way infatuated with Obama and I am willing to point out his faults and my dislikes of him at any time. It just seems to me that if he didn't want to use this as an opportunity to get his message out he could have left the church a long time ago or really denounced Wright a long time ago. Instead he used the opportunity to address the issue and get his message out. You and I both now politicians generally think 10 moves in advance. I am not saying his omniscient, I am saying this opportunity fell in his lap and he was ready for it.

But the remarks that have caused this recent firestorm weren't simply controversial. They weren't simply a religious leader's effort to speak out against perceived injustice. Instead, they expressed a profoundly distorted view of this country a view that sees white racism as endemic, and that elevates what is wrong with America above all that we know is right with America; a view that sees the conflicts in the Middle East as rooted primarily in the actions of stalwart allies like Israel, instead of emanating from the perverse and hateful ideologies of radical Islam.

Spin that please. If he's a Muslim, he just got more than an apostate's death sentence.

Obama is telling the truth, and he is truly a uniter not a divider. Unlike a certain white man we all know...

Anybody else see the irony in Bob's post?

I always get a chuckle when bob posts something questioning someone's judgement or common sense.

I doubt conservatives will ever change their mind. I doubt liberals will ever change their mind. We need two countries

THat is the coward's way out. The strong, like Lincoln did, work to unite it.

You've made it plain you are a coward, bob. I'm glad Lincoln didn't have your attitude.

I don't know how this election will play out. But I can see a VERY REAL difference between this guy and our current POTUS.

I think we may have something.

Do you have his poster hanging above your bed Tax?

No, but I have a "Yes We Can" sign in my office, plus my "Ask Me About Barack" button that I received when I campaigned for Obama at the Essence Festival here back in early 2007.

Did Pat baptize Rudy?

Mentor him for 20 years?

Marry him to his wife/wives?

Did Rudy write a book named after one of his sermons?

What Difference Do Those Issues Make ?

Honestly Does Not Everyone Have A Family Member Or Friend With Radical Views You Do Not Agree With ?


Why Would You Want His Endorsement When He Stated This:

"You say you're supposed to be nice to the Episcopalians and the Presbyterians and the Methodists and this, that, and the other thing. Nonsense. I don't have to be nice to the spirit of the Antichrist."
--Pat Robertson, The 700 Club, January 14, 1991

"If I could just get a nuclear device inside Foggy Bottom, I think that's the answer." (talking about the United States State Department)

Robertson said George W Bush told him, a short time before that start of the Iraq war "Oh, no, we're not going to have any casualties "

"I think 'one man, one vote,' just unrestricted democracy, would not be wise. There needs to be some kind of protection for the minority which the white people represent now, a minority, and they need and have a right to demand a protection of their rights."
--Pat Robertson, "The 700 Club," 3/18/92


Pat, did you notice yesterday the ACLU, and all the Christ-haters, People For the American Way, NOW, etc. were totally disregarded by the Democrats and the Republicans in both houses of Congress as they went out on the steps and called out on to God in prayer and sang "God Bless America" and said "let the ACLU be hanged"? In other words, when the nation is on its knees, the only normal and natural and spiritual thing to do is what we ought to be doing all the time -- calling upon God.
On responses to the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, as quoted in AANEWS #958 (14 September 2001)


Bush Called Robertson One Of His Spiritual Advisor's ?

Robertson Has Been Advising Presidents From Regan Bush 41 and 42.

-Sarge

We can dismiss Reverend Wright as a crank or a demagogue, just as some have dismissed Geraldine Ferraro, in the aftermath of her recent statements, as harboring some deep-seated racial bias. LOL! Jerry's offenses were as disgusting as Wright's...

I think Obama needs a new motto, "Verba non Acta!"

I don't need to prove that I'm not a racist. I need to prove that my America is bigger than yours.

Posted by rcade at 2008-03-18 11:57 AM | Reply |


Which backs up the claims that liberals are voting for Obama because he's black and they simply want to look and feel enlightened.

Does Pat Robertson's endorsement hurt 9/11 mayor?

www.youtube.com

Rudy didn't have to.

-Sarge

HANNITY: He's been -- but he's been going to the church for 20 years. His pastor -- the church gave a lifetime achievement award to one of the biggest racists and anti-Semites in the country, Louis Farrakhan. Would you go to a church that -- where your pastor supported Louis Farrakhan?

MCCAIN: Obviously, that would not be my choice. But I do know Sen. Obama. He does not share those views.


Kudos to you Sen. McCain. THAT'S the John McCain we respected in our house for a lot of years until you started sounding like George Bush for political expediency!

Which backs up the claims that liberals are voting for Obama because he's black and they simply want to look and feel enlightened.


Posted by 101Chairborne


And you are voting for why?

Obama to America...

"It doesn't matter that I spent the last twenty years slamming America and white people in general. What matters now is that you vote for me in November to prove that YOU aren't a racist!"

Hypocrite.

Who do you need to prove something to? Do you want to wank the French off? You want to prove that you are not a racist, give some black dude 40 acres and a mule, not the keys to the fucking cookie jar.

I don't need to prove that I'm not a racist. I need to prove that my America is bigger than yours.
POSTED BY RCADE AT 2008-03-18 11:57 AM | REPLY | FLAG:



LMAO. You just said "One reason so many of us are supporting Obama is to prove that America is bigger than that."

Now you want to play semantics. When you realize that it is not "your" America, maybe you will cease your hypocritical, socialist notions. We are 1 nation, and as much as I despise the crap that spews out of you liberals, I do not consider you to be part of some other America.

I say again, when you feel the need to prove something, ask yourself to whom you need to prove it.

No, but I have a "Yes We Can" sign in my office...

Posted by taxman at 2008-03-18 12:01 PM | Reply

Is there a picture of Barack with the caption "Can we bamboozle white liberals" right before the "Yes we can" caption?

Cause it is white guilt.

What were those search words BTW?

Cheers,
Walt

Obama's telling us to "live in the now", right Hans?

"Obviously, that would not be my choice. But I do know Sen. Obama. He does not share those views.....as far as I know."

Posted by danni

FF Danni!

Chuck, you've got stop missing so much work when you aren't here others have to pick up your slack.

Okay boss.

Chuck, man I just told you the other day we need you to show up for work. What's going on?

Nothing boss, I'll be here I promise.

Chuck, I'm really worried about you and the guys are getting tired of working overtime to pick up your slack, what's wrong?

Nothing boss, I'll see you tomorrow.

Chuck, you won't tell me what's wrong and you missed work again. I've tried to be patient Chuck but the guys are getting pretty angry at picking up your slack, if you can't start showing up for work or tell me what's wrong so I can help or make other arrangements I'm going to have to replace you. It's not fair to the other guys, do you understand that Chuck?

Sure, boss. I'll see you tomorrow.

Chuck, where were you yesterday?

Nowhere boss.

Chuck I'm going to have to let you go, the other guys are refusing to work overtime to pick up your slack.

See in court, Cracker.

True story, not the exact words.

"Does Pat Robertson's endorsement hurt 9/11 mayor?

www.youtube.com

Rudy didn't have to.

-Sarge"


Did Pat baptize Rudy?

Mentor him for 20 years?

Marry him to his wife/wives?

Did Rudy write a book named after one of his sermons?

Well, I think he managed to say everything that he thought every one would want to hear, all in one speech.

Posted by Corky at 2008-03-18 11:28 AM | Reply

You're right, he did.

Now, I'm sure Hillary will get out her prettiest pastel pantsuit and pout on camera to blunt the damage to her campaign caused by a good speech.

Now you want to play semantics. When you realize that it is not "your" America, maybe you will cease your hypocritical, socialist notions. We are 1 nation, and as much as I despise the crap that spews out of you liberals, I do not consider you to be part of some other America.

I'm surprised I have to spell this out for you, Walt. I need to prove that my vision of America is bigger than yours.

Which backs up the claims that liberals are voting for Obama because he's black and they simply want to look and feel enlightened.

Liberals are voting for Obama because he's solid on the issues, expansive in his view of this country, an inspirational speaker, a critic of the war, and a break from the divisive Bush/Clinton/Bush years. Among other reasons.

Tell the truth, how hard was it?

-Walt

It's called "Google."

Hello?

So, when's Obama going to go back to Trinity Church and CHANGE WHAT'S GOING ON THERE? When's he gonna turn to Rev. Wright and tell him to shut up?

Never. Because Obama's all talk...

...and Obama'll be wearing his hood and sheet again there next Sunday...

Republicans learn to accept defeat since you will experience it soon enough. Obama is my savior and will be yours soon enough.

All hail Obama

Just as black anger often proved counterproductive, so have these white resentments distracted attention from the real culprits of the middle class squeeze a corporate culture rife with inside dealing, questionable accounting practices, and short-term greed; a Washington dominated by lobbyists and special interests; economic policies that favor the few over the many. And yet, to wish away the resentments of white Americans, to label them as misguided or even racist, without recognizing they are grounded in legitimate concerns this too widens the racial divide, and blocks the path to understanding.

Hammer, meet nail.

The corporations of the elite will be working overtime now to stop the big O from continuing to disseminate truth.

Did Pat baptize Rudy?

Mentor him for 20 years?

Marry him to his wife/wives?

Did Rudy write a book named after one of his sermons?

Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2008-03-18 12:09 PM | Reply

I gotta give God credit for that one. Telling Pat Robertson to publicly endorse Rudy was truly an act of omniscience and divine benevolence. A few weeks later and we're all saying, "Rudy Who?"

Give it up for God, ya'll!

I doubt conservatives will ever change their mind. I doubt liberals will ever change their mind. We need two countries.

Posted by Buffalo_Bob


Give the NeoCons Idaho. They'll be among friends.

Obama to America...

"It doesn't matter that I spent the last twenty years slamming America and white people in general. What matters now is that you vote for me in November to prove that YOU aren't a racist!"

Hypocrite.


~Liar John.

All you have is lies. how pathetic is that.

Obviously you have no interest in improving America or fighting against endemic inequities including racism in america.

A vote for Obama in Obama doesn't prove one isn't a racist. A vote against Obama because of his halkf black heritage is certainly an indicator of racism. A vote for Obama in Novemeber merely proves that one is intelligent and that one is paying attention.

Spud assumes that Framer John will not be voting Obama based on his postings to date.

Damn, Obama's lost both the idiot vote AND the racist vote!

Quelle suprise!

Obama is America's last, best hope.

If the dumbed down American populace votes fer McInsane or Shrillary then God help us all cos America is gonna finally get wot it so richly deserves.

Three strike yer out.

Vote Hope and Change or vote Big Bizness as usual.

Obama or Whoa, Bummer!

Life is choice.

Choose well.

Be Well.

Bulletin Farmer John - since you seem to have missed the several dozen times its been mentioned - Wright has already retired from Trinity's pulpit.

What exaactly did Reverend Jeremiah Wright Jr. say that wasn't accurate?

Why you fuckers hate reality is beyond me.....

I'm surprised I have to spell this out for you, Walt. I need to prove that my vision of America is bigger than yours.

Don't be surprised Rcade, most Socialist and Communist dictators thought their "visions" were bigger too.

Now go marry a black chick and your transformation will be complete.

Just brought my ticket to DC for Obama's inaugural in January. I'll save everyone a few seats;-)

"I gotta give God credit for that one. Telling Pat Robertson to publicly endorse Rudy was truly an act of omniscience and divine benevolence. A few weeks later and we're all saying, "Rudy Who?"

Give it up for God, ya'll!"
--ANTON


That DOES deserve and AMEN!

haha

The true Negro does not want integration... He realizes his potential is far better among his own race... It will destroy our race eventually... In one northern city, a pastor friend of mine tells me that a couple of opposite race live next door to his church as man and wife... It boils down to whether we are going to take God's Word as final

- Jerry Falwell(2001). "The Nation's Best Bible College Gets Low Grades on Racial Diversity".

The Religious Right and the 1992 GOP Convention

www.youtube.com

Don't You Just Love All These Guys That Get A White House Pass !!

-Sarge

Alas, I cannot give a more considered response right now as I have to get on the road. But I do want to say that this searing, nuanced, gut-wrenching, loyal, and deeply, deeply Christian speech is the most honest speech on race in America in my adult lifetime. It is a speech we have all been waiting for for a generation. Its ability to embrace both the legitimate fears and resentments of whites and the understandable anger and dashed hopes of many blacks was, in my view, unique in recent American history.

And it was a reflection of faith - deep, hopeful, transcending faith in the promises of the Gospels. And it was about America - its unique promise, its historic purpose, and our duty to take up the burden to perfect this union - today, in our time, in our way.

I have never felt more convinced that this man's candidacy - not this man, his candidacy - and what he can bring us to achieve - is an historic opportunity. This was a testing; and he did not merely pass it by uttering safe bromides. He addressed the intimate, painful love he has for an imperfect and sometimes embittered man. And how that love enables him to see that man's faults and pain as well as his promise. This is what my faith is about. It is what the Gospels are about. This is a candidate who does not merely speak as a Christian. He acts like a Christian.

Bill Clinton once said that everything bad in America can be rectified by what is good in America. He was right - and Obama takes that to a new level. And does it with the deepest darkest wound in this country's history.

I love this country. I don't remember loving it or hoping more from it than today.


andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com

-Walt

It's called "Google."


Posted by ness_gadol at 2008-03-18 12:11 PM | Reply | Flag:


Which search words should I use?

Cheers,
Walt

The true Negro does not want integration... He realizes his potential is far better among his own race... It will destroy our race eventually... In one northern city, a pastor friend of mine tells me that a couple of opposite race live next door to his church as man and wife... It boils down to whether we are going to take God's Word as final

- Jerry Falwell(2001). "The Nation's Best Bible College Gets Low Grades on Racial Diversity".

The Religious Right and the 1992 GOP Convention

www.youtube.com

Don't You Just Love All These Guys That Get A White House Pass !!

-Sarge

How many Republicans claimed Ann as their mentor dipshit?

Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE

Oh my, he called me "dipshit." You're going to have to quit being so nice. A little of the ol butt secks real savage like may just be in order if you keep flattering me like that, big guy.

How many republicans have denounced the things she says in their name? How many republicans have denounced the crazy shit that the other crazy bastards on reich wing hate radio say to advance their cause?

...and Obama'll be wearing his hood and sheet again there next Sunday...

Obama doesn't have a hood and sheet. He fights against racism not for it you lying sack of shit.

Do you print off all yer posts at the end of the day and submit them to yer Grand Kleagle fer brownie points?

Is that how you guys pick yer leaders or is it more based on who's pointy head fits the pointy hat better?

Spud always wondered.

Do you have a candidate you are supporting John-Boy or are you just here to tear down rather than build up?

Destruction is easy. Construction is hard.

For you Lawnboy, anything beyond racist lies, slurs and slanders is well neigh impossible.

Be Well.

I doubt conservatives will ever change their mind. I doubt liberals will ever change their mind. We need two countries.

Posted by Buffalo_Bob


Give the NeoCons Idaho. They'll be among their white bretheren where they can all shoot their guns and commiserate.

Idaho looks like someone giving the finger in profile. Perfect image for how they treat the other 90% in this country.

They have not moved out of the 50's way of thinking. Stupid inferences, same old innuendo. Their mindset hasn't moved in generations - nor done anything but ignore the world around them.

Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2008-03-18 11:54 AM

I doubt conservatives will ever change their mind. I doubt liberals will ever change their mind. We need two countries.

I love this country. I don't remember loving it or hoping more from it than today.

Too bad I don't see this sentiment running through the comments of far too many posters here today.

I guess they'd rather we hate each other and cast senseless aspersions around like hand grenades.

"I love this country. I don't remember loving it or hoping more from it than today."

Tony, thank you for posting that.

Hans

Is there a picture of Barack with the caption "Can we bamboozle white liberals" right before the "Yes we can" caption?

101, I have been an Obama fan and supporter ever since the 2004 DNC Convention. His race has nothing to do with my support for him as I could care less about a person's heritage. I like his stance on Iraq, I like his transparency, and I respect his ability to unify people of all races, creeds and politics. I think it is easy for republicans and Hillary supporter to coin white support for Obama as "white guilt" as a means to diminish his supporters. However, I can honestly say I in no way feel guilty for my ardent and full support of a great man and a great politician.

I get the feeling that Cassius Clay just whupped Sonny Liston!

I'd wager most of the righties commenting in this thread didn't even see the speech, but they have opinions on it nonetheless.


Liberals are voting for Obama because he's solid on the issues, expansive in his view of this country, an inspirational speaker, a critic of the war, and a break from the divisive Bush/Clinton/Bush years. Among other reasons.

Posted by rcade


Well said.

The neandethals are out in force on this thread with comparisons to KKK, "white guilt", etc. Quite funny, in an ignorant, talking-point sort of way.

"I love this country. I don't remember loving it or hoping more from it than today."

It's a good thing a black person didn't say this.

"I love this country. I don't remember loving it or hoping more from it than today."

It's a good thing a black person didn't say this.


uhmm rob
he's retired

thus
former



afraid to listen cause you might be inspired?

Posted by klifferd


When I hear Obama saying he's his former pastor I see that as trying to distance himself. After all the ways that Obama has tied himself to Wright, I see no way Obama can sincerely state this man is ever his "former" anything. Maybe if he hadn't been married by him, maybe if he didn't baptize his kids, and maybe if he hadn't titled his book after a speech of his Obama could have distanced himself... but he has been walking side by side with this man for 20 years and now because he wants to be president he expects people to be fine with him just saying, he's my former pastor?

"he expects people to be fine with him just saying, he's my former pastor?"

Yes Rob, that's all he said in the entire 1/2 hour speech. Your single-mindedness is admirable.

brilliant, inspiring

spot-on

thank you Barack



"I love this country. I don't remember loving it or hoping more from it than today."

It's a good thing a black person didn't say this.



Does this mean anything?

What a load of crap on this thread. Obama was brilliant today, and I don't think the "average voter" in this country will ever even have a clue about it, since they'll only hear the right-wing spin and the media "summary" and characterization of what he said.

Rcade, not sure if it's just my computer, but this thread seems to have some technical issue re: the order of the posts...

"Oh my, he called me "dipshit." You're going to have to quit being so nice. A little of the ol butt secks real savage like may just be in order if you keep flattering me like that, big guy.

How many republicans have denounced the things she says in their name? How many republicans have denounced the crazy shit that the other crazy bastards on reich wing hate radio say to advance their cause?"
--NOGOV4ME


If you can't see the ignorance in comparing Obama plus his lifelong mentor Wright with a nameless Republican plus a talking head whose only relationship to the nameless Republican is that she is of the same party, then you've earned the title.

Midiman,

I agree with you regarding what Obama said today. It was an awesome speech. Positive, didn't run from anything, faced things square on. Those criticizing him are the same ones that say african Americans should take responsibility. They site Cosby. Yet Obama does that, points the finger squarely and they still deride.

My point in saying "it's a good thing a black person didn't say this" is that Sullivan says it and it's interpreted one way, yet if Michelle Obama, a black woman says "Fo the first time in my Adult lifetime, I am really proud of my Country" she gets pilloried.

"he expects people to be fine with him just saying, he's my former pastor?"

I Guess It Is The Same For All The Presidents That Still have Not Distanced Themselves From Rev Robertson For The Past 4 Decades Receive Advise And Seek His Grand Endorsement.

Famous moments with Pat Robertson

www.youtube.com

Wow, But He Get A White House Pass

-Sarge




For the first


I get the feeling that Cassius Clay just whupped Sonny Liston!

Posted by Mista Kurtz at 2008-03-18 12:27 PM | Reply

As a boxing fan, I like the reference.

However, it is a strange analogy in light of the current topic.

Please elaborate. I'm curious.

As a parent, I am very familiar with the resistance that can be met when you require your children to step beyond an eroneous limiting belief structure. All kinds of emotional responses can be evoked.

Barack and others ask us to step beyond a comfortable oversimplified mindset about race relations, its implications and the possibilities. It is high time we take on this challenge.

Some will not be on the active end of this endeavor but we will all benefit. Many naysayers here speak out of the fear of the unknown. They are not to be condemned no matter how vile or intentionally destructive their comments and actions are. They are to treated with care, patience, and resolute firmness just as a parent helps a child mature.

Shine a spotlight on black racism and see how fast the cockroaches scatter...

Barack Obama's church is scrambling to undo the impression it is a ministry for blacks only with a radical message. The Web site of the Trinity United Church of Christ has been purged of a section which spoke of the church's endorsement of -- "black ethics" that -- "must be taught and exemplified....wherever blacks are gathered."

Among those black ethics are "commitment to the black community, commitment to the black family, disavowal of the pursuit of middleclassness and allegiance to all black leadership who espouse and embrace the black value system."

The Media Research Center notes that in place of these words now are video clips from church members, including one from a white church official who said she feels at home at Trinity.


Obama's candidacy cannot achieve racial reconciliation. Obama sat in the pew for 20 years and did NOTHING to help heal racial divisions. If we want real change, we need to stop giving minorities a pass and start shining the light on their real activities.

I've been following politics for roughly 30 years and I have never, never been emotionally moved by anything any politician has ever said. I'm a cynic when it comes to politics and I think the history of my posts here would pretty much support that self analysis, lol.

When Obama started this speech with talk about the early days of the Constitution, my initial reaction was, here we go again, another politician trying to obfuscate the issues and play the CYA game. About five minutes into it, I felt a lump, a LUMP in my throat. I was choking up! I felt something totally foreign to me... it was... egads... pride.

I felt, this is a man I would really like to see representing the USA to the world.

What the hell is happening to me?

Obama took this issue on so directly, no soundbites, no double-speak, no accusations, no passing the buck, nothing that we all just expect to hear everytime a pol opens his or her flapping gums. I was more than impressed, and that's no easy thing to do.

Throw what you want at the man, it won't stick. He's got his flaws but you're not going to find the second-coming of Jesus in any candidate. I want this man to be president. Jeepers.

Obama is ALL words, Bella. A man who sits in the pew of his church shouting "AMEN!" to the racial diatribes of Rev. Wright has NO credibility on racial reconciliation. ACTIONS speak louder than words. Obama's all words with NOTHING to back them up.

I'm beginning to see a pattern. Maybe it's just me, but there's some people who ever before seemed as bigoted on this site as they do now.

Maybe since race is at the forefront of people's minds, they now feel like it's ok to show their true colors. Of course, we can't call them racists...


Obama is ALL words, Bella. A man who sits in the pew of his church shouting "AMEN!" to the racial diatribes of Rev. Wright has NO credibility on racial reconciliation. ACTIONS speak louder than words. Obama's all words with NOTHING to back them up.

Posted by Farmer_John


Do you pay attention at ALL? He says he wasn't there when those statements were made. I'm sure you expect all of us to take McLame on his word. I'd expect you to take Obama on his.

"Obama sat in the pew for 20 years and did NOTHING to help heal racial divisions."

you really have some deep down hatred...

you probably haven't heard a word he said

a quick skim of the speech and yer ready to hate on.

wow

what utter lack of care

gop is the only candidate for you
and thats the bottom line

you made up your mind the day you registered to vote as a republican. Even if Obama said everything you want to hear you would never know because he's a democrat.

wow

"Shine a spotlight on black racism and see how fast the cockroaches scatter..."

Wow Farmer... having a little attack of Johnsonitis? Because what you posted is completely false, except for the addition of the video by The Rev. Dr. Jane Fisler Hoffman. She's not just a "member", by the way, but the Conference Minister in charge of 287 UCC churches in Northern Illinois.

Other than that addition, all of the things that were there before are still there, including the sections on Black Liberation Theology, and Wright's talking points on Black Ethics.

Shame on you for perpetuating more lies.

www.tucc.org

Much like his mom, who chose to fuck a black man to piss off her parents ....

Posted by Walt at 2008-03-18 11:41 AM | Reply

Jeez, Walt.

That kind of viciousness leads me to believe this issue hits a little close to home with you.

How are your grandkids, Demetrius and LaShaunda, doing by the way?


So he's a NASCAR fan now?

Posted by shirtsbyeric

www.youtube.com

-Sarge

"Of course, we can't call them racists..."

i can

farmer john is mad because black people won't farm for him for free anymore

damn that emancipation proclimation

racist

and 101 is down right RACE IST
"Der was a nigga named Wright,
He had some words and they had some bite.
It gots nuttin to do with me,
Don't forget I'm half whitey,
put the focus back on hillary."

can't get anymore racist and stereotypical then that

ACTIONS speak louder than words. Obama's all words with NOTHING to back them up.

Doesn't Obama's life history speak for itself?

The short (wiki) version:

Born to a Kenyan father and an American mother, he spent most of his early life in Honolulu, Hawaii. From ages six to ten, he lived in Jakarta, Indonesia with his mother and Indonesian stepfather. A graduate of Columbia University and Harvard Law School, Obama worked as a community organizer, university lecturer, and civil rights lawyer before running for public office and serving in the Illinois Senate from 1997 to 2004. After an unsuccessful bid for a seat in the U.S. House of Representatives in 2000, he announced his campaign for U.S. Senate in 2003.

The following year, while still an Illinois state legislator, Obama delivered the keynote address at the 2004 Democratic National Convention.[4] He was elected to the U.S. Senate in November 2004 with 70% of the vote.[5] As a member of the Democratic minority in the 109th Congress, he co-sponsored bipartisan legislation for controlling conventional weapons and for promoting greater public accountability in the use of federal funds. He also made official trips to Eastern Europe, the Middle East, and Africa. In the current 110th Congress, he has sponsored legislation on lobbying and electoral fraud, climate change, nuclear terrorism, and care for returned U.S. military personnel.

Since announcing his presidential campaign in February 2007, Obama has emphasized ending the Iraq War, increasing energy independence, and providing universal health care as his top three priorities.[6] He married in 1992 and has two daughters. He has written two bestselling books: a memoir of his youth titled Dreams from My Father, and The Audacity of Hope, a personal commentary on U.S. politics.


A Black Abraham Lincoln, if you like.

Looks to me like he really did get out there and do something with his life.

Can you say the same Farmer John?



A man who sits in the pew of his church shouting "AMEN!" to the racial diatribes...

i think you are just making stuff up now...have you even ever listened to Obama speak?


Obama is ALL words, Bella. A man who sits in the pew of his church shouting "AMEN!" to the racial diatribes of Rev. Wright has NO credibility on racial reconciliation. ACTIONS speak louder than words. Obama's all words with NOTHING to back them up.

~Flamer John.

Wow, and Spud sometimes gets people to argue when Spud declares that the GOP are THE party of racial intolerance, homophobia, sexism, classism, inequity and any other forms of egregious hate you can possibly name.

Yer ten tons of FAIL in a 5 ton container, Johnny

Keep repeating your Big Lies, Lawnboy.

Maybe you believe them but you aint convincing anybody else but the "pointy hat/ pointyhead" crowd you came in with.

Reading all the right wing hate and dishonesty on this thread leads Spud to the conclusion that Jonathan Swift was correct when he advised folks...

"Never try to reason someone out of a position they were never reasoned into in the first place"

~J. Swift.

Strewth is that.

Be Well.

I doubt conservatives will ever change their mind. I doubt liberals will ever change their mind. We need two countries.
Posted by Buffalo_Bob

Hmmmmmmmmmm? You may be onto something.

Much like his mom, who chose to fuck a black man to piss off her parents ....

Posted by Walt


more racism

especially since his grandparents have already taken everything back since, that black man's genes have lead to our next president.

"Doesn't Obama's life history speak for itself? Posted by donnerboy"

NO!

Sincerely,

The Right & Corky

is this the same corky from "life goes on"

it all makes sense now

Listening to Obama talk about healing divisions and racial reconciliation is like listening to a whore talk about the virtues of marriage.

Doesn't Obama's life history speak for itself?

Posted by DonnerBOY

Yes it does speak for itself. It's nothing more than a "present" vote tinged with a controversial black pastor in order to give "B-Rock" some cred with the blackman. He saw how the black community reacts to succesful blacks and he wanted, no, needed their support.

He's a superficial candidate.

plantation john is your new name

and

"He saw how the black community reacts to succesful blacks and he wanted, no, needed their support."

racist

Looks to me like he really did get out there and do something with his life.

Yeah, he's got twenty years perfect attendance at Rev. Wright's weekly Klan meetings. Go 'bama!

Farmer Longs For The Good Old Days And Wants Wright Back On His Plantation

Slave Catchers/Resistors 10 - Reconstruction and Jim Crow

www.youtube.com

1960's Civil Rights Movement

www.youtube.com

The Lynching of Army Corporal John Jones

www.youtube.com

Things That Make You Say Hmmmmmmm

-Sarge

"Listening to Obama talk..." Posted by Farmer_John

What, no comment on the little falsehood you posted a few minutes ago? I guess we probably shouldn't pay a lot of attention to your "opinions" when you get the facts completely wrong, huh?

"the GOP are THE party of racial intolerance"
--DETHSPUD


Nevermind that much of the racial tensions associated with Obama's campaign have been given the spotlight by Clinton and her Democrat supporters, while McCain is out there defending Obama's ties to the reverenend.

Klitfur,
You can quit pretending to be outraged (and a middle eastern mutt for that matter).
Having some anonymous douche call me a racist has absolutely no bearing on what I post. In fact it makes me happy to know that some douche pretending not to be an american is upset by my needling of an American Presidential contender.

A man who sits in the pew of his church shouting "AMEN!" to the racial diatribes of Rev. Wright

Were you there sitting right next to him?

Then you have no idea what he did or said now do you?

Just another right wing racist idiot.

He's a superficial candidate.

Posted by 101Chairborne at 2008-03-18 01:49 PM


Do you mean to say there is no Obama under all that Obama?

So let me get this straight..there is not really a Black Man named Obama that lived his life in such a way that he could actually become President of the United States of America.

He is a fake Black Man?

Is he that kind of "superficial" ?



"Which search words should I use?

Cheers,
Walt

Posted by Walt at 2008-03-18 12:21 PM"

Try "Walt Is A Pole Smoker." You'll get millions of hits.

"Listening to Obama talk about healing divisions and racial reconciliation is like listening to a whore talk about the virtues of marriage.

Posted by Farmer_John"

Just my opinion, of course, but you should insist on more action and less talking for your $20. But you do whatever you want.

What, no comment on the little falsehood you posted a few minutes ago?

Which one would that be? That Rev. Wright was a racist or that Obama knew he was a racist. Because both aren't falsehoods.

"Just another right wing racist idiot.

Posted by 726 at 2008-03-18 01:57 PM"

With the emphasis on idiot.

Just my opinion, of course, but you should insist on more action and less talking for your $20. But you do whatever you want.

Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2008-03-18 01:58 PM | Reply | Flag

= FF!

for $20 they usually have their mouth too full to talk...so I have heard...

If Obama can't heal the racial divisions in his own church, what makes you believe he can heal the country?

The guy's record is NOT one of a unifier. It's one of M'LKing the divisions.

"What, no comment on the little falsehood you posted a few minutes ago?"

"Which one would that be?

Posted by Farmer_John at 2008-03-18 02:00 PM"

Lol. There's so many.

"Which one would that be?"

I guess you've posted too many falsehoods to keep track anymore, but the one I was referring to was your post about how Trinity UCC is "scrambling" to change their image, and "scrubbing" their website.

False.

1. Do you mean to say there is no Obama under all that Obama?

2. So let me get this straight..there is not really a Black Man named Obama that lived his life in such a way that he could actually become President of the United States of America.

3. He is a fake Black Man?


4. Is he that kind of "superficial" ?

Posted by donnerboy at 2008-03-18 01:58 PM | Reply | Flag


1. Exactly. Smoke and mirrors, and you lemmings are hooked.
2. Well, a half black man to be precise. And if you call 3 years of Senate experience living life, then you're as simple as I assumed. "Present" votes, and repeating "hope" and "change" is weak.
3. Already covered. 1/2 black.
4. Yes, that kind of superficial. "Hope" and "Change" may work for President of the High School class (or for the Dem primary) because simple fucks are easy to sway.


Plagarizing positions isn't going to help him.

1010
hahah
" (and a middle eastern mutt for that matter)."
"pretending not to be an american"

more racism

i'm american
or as you and yer boy king george the II say
"amurcun"

and i have no middle eastern heritage
thanks again :)

i'm sorry you are a racist
and your uninformed
and to top it all off scared that the racist america of your dreams and hopes is dying.

"If Obama can't heal the racial divisions in his own church, what makes you believe he can heal the country?"

yea
cause obama is a paster
:)

keep trying there plantation boy


If Obama can't heal the racial divisions in his own church, what makes you believe he can heal the country?

The guy's record is NOT one of a unifier. It's one of M'LKing the divisions.

Posted by Farmer_John


Not to infringe on your right to make a fool of yourself on the internet, but does Newsmax have discussion threads? I'm sure you'll find more racist garbage to share your ideas and dreams of a white America with over yonder.

I was referring to was your post about how Trinity UCC is "scrambling" to change their image, and "scrubbing" their website.

You mean the article posted in the MSM. Yeah, I'm sure that's probably false. You know those MSM guys, THEY never vet anything. LOL!

superficial. "Hope" and "Change" may work for President of the High School class (or for the Dem primary) because simple fucks are easy to sway.

and you can say this after 8 years of Bush?

I do wonder who the "simple fuck" really is here...

donner
thats cause bush brought dispair and more of the same

hope and change don't exist in 101's vocabulary anymore

how bout this 101 read a little bit about america's history... you'll see those words all over the place.. maybe it will jog your memory.

"You mean the article posted in the MSM. Yeah, I'm sure that's probably false."

It IS false dear Farmer, as the link to the website I posted clearly shows. You know - the link to the very information that you claimed had been "scrubbed" from it.

Heck, even Bill Kristol apologized for being a dupe for a false news story. Surely you're at least as big a man as Bill - right?

Oh...

LOL

I've said this about the Dems for almost a year, and nothing today managed to change the dynamic:

Nominate Obama, and Obama wins.

Nominate Hillary, and McCain wins.

Simple as that.

Just MHO here, but I think the prospect of actually having a black president is scaring the crazies out of the woodwork.

Hey Klufford,

Who do you think has take more chinese donations, Hillbillary or McCain?

haha
ddenton
evidence clearly shows that your opinion is probably fact. :)

jmfj

who do you think will borrow more money from china for the trillion dollar war

obama, hillary, or mccain

donations are them giving money for free

but us borrowing money means we have to pay them "interest" maybe you've heard of it, you have a bank account right?

It IS false dear Farmer, as the link to the website I posted clearly shows

Your link doesn't "clearly show" squat. It doesn't show what's been editted and changed.

Wake up and smell the coffee SARogue. Obama's political career is now toast... burnt toast!

how bout this 101 read a little bit about america's history... you'll see those words all over the place.. maybe it will jog your memory.

Posted by klifferd at 2008-03-18 02:14 PM


so right on!


Is everyone watching John Adams on HBO?

Awesome stuff! I recommend you start there Chairpoodle!

I love it that John Adams defended the British soldiers at the Boston Massacre....I think there is a lesson about Gitmo in there...there are a LOT of lessons in there!

Can I get an AMEN?


Great speech. Obama's candidacy speaks to history. Whether it ends in the White House remains to be seen, but I have to think that this speech will stand as a watershed moment in American politics -- one of the things we'll most remember from this time.

Posted by rcade


wow...

Okay can we do a drudge poll...

You're face to face with Barack Obama, he takes it out... how many of you just start sucking the hell out of it?

"Obama's political career is now toast... burnt toast!"
more racism from a plantation boy


and donnerboy
yes!
amazing!

So ... .if I understand O-Ba-Ma Char-La-Tan corectly, he's telling us:

HE learned to be a uniter and transcend racial divisiveness by embracing and choosing as mentor a hate-mongering, anti-American spewing, race-baiting monster ... and if - only if! - we not-quite-guilt-ridden-enough (implied: WHITE) Americans would just "get with the victim program," we could all just get along after we give all our money to fund all sorts of Federal goodies for all those other victims.

Well. Let me think about this profoundly.OK. Enough time. What a load of crap!

I can only pray that the American public, should they be given the choice in November, reject this charlatan.



Found this comment on another site and thought it summed things up pretty well.

"hate-mongering, anti-American spewing, race-baiting monster"

talking about yourself again anamerican that hates

Since this was nothing but a damn campaign speech by Obamie if I were Hillary or McCain I'd be calling for all the networks that aired this to give my campaign equal time.

Most of them won't carry Bush when he speaks because they don't agree with him and he looks like a chimp, but they all roll over and give special priviledge to Obama because he's halfricanamerican.

Don't roll over for this shit Hillary and McCain. Demand your equal free campaign time.

And it's way past time for ABC,CBS,NBC to start covering Bush's speech's.

The bias in this media is utterly disgusting.

"Your link doesn't "clearly show" squat. Posted by Farmer John"

Oh, but it does my dear Farmer. You said...

"Among those black ethics are "commitment to the black community, commitment to the black family, disavowal of the pursuit of middleclassness and allegiance to all black leadership who espouse and embrace the black value system."

The Media Research Center notes that in place of these words now are video clips from church members, including one from a white church official who said she feels at home at Trinity."

And yet everything you claimed had been "purged" from the website is right here on this page - where it's always been.

www.tucc.org

But we all thank you for proving that whatever credibility you imagined you had was purely that . . . imaginary.


Okay can we do a drudge poll...

You're face to face with Barack Obama, he takes it out... how many of you just start sucking the hell out of it?

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole


Wow Rob. How desperate and out of material do you have to be to fall back on crap like this?

Change is coming Princess...

krisp

i watched a press conference with hillary today on my lunch break

they gave her the same amount of time.

mccain doesn't need the time yet
cause he's already the nominee

we have a few months before we hear about him again...

unless he can keep himself interesting. which i doubt.

and you can say this after 8 years of Bush?

I do wonder who the "simple fuck" really is here...

Posted by donnerboy at 2008-03-18 02:11 PM | Reply |


This is why you guys are so easy to peg as dumb-fucks...
Bush was bad, even terrible, so some how that means you should buy in to some rhetoric about hope and change without any fucking substance? Besides, what does Bush have to do with how you simple fuckers are being bamboozeled by a slick talking religious nut?

"Oh look, he's black and non-threatening, let's vote for him and show the world we're enlightened! Goodie!"

Rob,
After reading this thread I'm positive that if Obama whipped it out there would be the biggest bitch fight in the world over who got it first. Taxman and Rcade would be the most aggressive, and Danni would be last.

Everyone keeps talking abaout "whitey" not understanding the "black culture" or the "black experience" is this the culture that ties to defend raising puppies to fight each other to the death, is this the culture that won't tell the cops about murderers and criminals who terrorize their neighborhoods because that would be snitching, is this the same culture that lets a black man off for murder becuase he killed white people (OJ Simpson). is this the same culture that says Violent , anti-woman rap music is just "a reflection of their community" is this the same culture that says it is oky to hate you country in church because it is the truth as we see it..If that is your culture, you and your culture can GO TO HELL

Ireland's Black Mayor


PORTLAOISE, Ireland - As revelers worldwide celebrate St. Patrick's Day with a pint of Guinness, dyed-green milk or visions of red-bearded leprechauns, it's a good bet that few of them will have Rotimi Adebari in mind.

But, for those seeking an authentic vision of today's Ireland, perhaps they should.

The election last year of Nigerian-born Adebari as mayor of Portlaoise is the most prominent manifestation of the changes sweeping this island, which is rapidly evolving from a land of emigration into one of immigration, where at least 1 in 10 people is foreign-born.

www.msnbc.msn.com

Why Can't We Just Get Along......

-Sarge

inWhat an utter bunch of dullards.

This guy's pastor says it's all Americas fault, from the pilgrims to Hiroshima.

In Obama's speech today he basically says the same crap (read it) and you guys are ready to give him the keys to the mansion so that he can surrender to islam by pulling all the troops and then completely finish breaking this country with massive more entitlements on top of the entitlements we already can't pay for.

Oh, that's right. Kavorkian is going to congress so we can kill all the old codgers and we won't need medicare anymore.

Fools.

He won't win in the general. Enjoy your delusions before reality sets in in November.

I got some news for Barak Obama, If you say you didn't know what you preacher said yesterday and today you said you did, that's called lying!

from the looks of the above posts....them righties is skkkkkeeeeerrrred of Obama!!!
When will they start calling him gay???

It's only lying when a white republican does such a thing. Scooter Libby comes to mind as recent.

Democrats are expected to lie. The ends always justify the means.

The bigot preacher man said that hillary doesnt know how it feels to be called a nigger.

Obama doenst know what its like to be called a cunt.

The Advisor To Presidents For 4 Decades :

Pat Robertson on Karate: Avoid "Inhaling Demon Spirits"

www.youtube.com

Pat Robertson on Conspiracy to Abort Blacks (2006)

www.youtube.com

Pat Robertson Says God Told Him Of 2007 Mass Terror Attack

www.youtube.com


We Must All Be Living In The Matrix Since It Is 18 March 2008.

-Sarge

I've read thru most of these posts here and I watched the entire speech he made and I think the main point is being missed by his supporters here. That is, does he truly expect America to believe that he somehow missed these racist and radical teachings of his pastor over 20 years?

The speech was fantastic and I can easily see why so many are behind the guy, but why did it take so long for him to feel the need to squash it politically? He was willing to let this go on why, because he truly does hold the same beliefs as his pastor? I don't know, but he sure did let it go on a while, seemingly in the hopes that it would just go away. Well, it isn't going away at all I can assure anyone of that.

Was Obabma unaware of the visit his pastor made to Lybia with Farrakhan to meet with Qaddaifi? It seems rather unlikely that this wouldn't be highly touted amidst the church's weekly periodicals. The point is that I just don't see how Obama wasn't aware of the guys beliefs and neither does most of America.

This guy's pastor says it's all Americas fault, from the pilgrims to Hiroshima.

Posted by Kris_P_Bacon at 2008-03-18 02:50 PM


So when America Fucks Up ... who's fault is it? Who should we blame it on? The French?


"When will they start calling him gay???

Posted by danni"

Oh we passed that point a while back Danni when they tried to bring up that YouTube video where some guy claimed he did drugs and had gay sex with Obama in the back of a Taxi.

Of course not being all that interested in the truth, they neglected to mention that the guy failed 2 lie detector tests about 3-4 weeks ago.

I've read thru most of these posts here and I watched the entire speech he made and I think the main point is being missed by his supporters here. That is, does he truly expect America to believe that he somehow missed these racist and radical teachings of his pastor over 20 years?

The speech was fantastic and I can easily see why so many are behind the guy, but why did it take so long for him to feel the need to squash it politically? He was willing to let this go on why, because he truly does hold the same beliefs as his pastor? I don't know, but he sure did let it go on a while, seemingly in the hopes that it would just go away. Well, it isn't going away at all I can assure anyone of that.

Was Obabma unaware of the visit his pastor made to Lybia with Farrakhan to meet with Qaddaifi? It seems rather unlikely that this wouldn't be highly touted amidst the church's weekly periodicals. The point is that I just don't see how Obama wasn't aware of the guys beliefs and neither does most of America.

I've read thru most of these posts here and I watched the entire speech he made and I think the main point is being missed by his supporters here. That is, does he truly expect America to believe that he somehow missed these racist and radical teachings of his pastor over 20 years?

The speech was fantastic and I can easily see why so many are behind the guy, but why did it take so long for him to feel the need to squash it politically? He was willing to let this go on why, because he truly does hold the same beliefs as his pastor? I don't know, but he sure did let it go on a while, seemingly in the hopes that it would just go away. Well, it isn't going away at all I can assure anyone of that.

Was Obabma unaware of the visit his pastor made to Lybia with Farrakhan to meet with Qaddaifi? It seems rather unlikely that this wouldn't be highly touted amidst the church's weekly periodicals. The point is that I just don't see how Obama wasn't aware of the guys beliefs and neither does most of America.

Good speech but I dont know if it was his best speech ever. Personaly I think the speach after the S.C win was better. I did like the part where he spoke about the white women breaking the glass ceiling. Is he secretly hoping the Hillary wins this thing ...... (joking)

Not one of you is getting to the rub of it.

Osama is both black and white.

were we all unaware of the visits bush and cheney made to the bin ladens??

didn't stop yall righties from voting for bush...
twice

coming up on 3 times

kinda like this
mwcnews.net

"This guy's pastor says it's all Americas fault, from the pilgrims to Hiroshima."

Posted by Kris_P_Bacon

God continues to lift the curtain and allow the enemies of America to give us probably what we deserve.
As quoted in "God Gave US 'What We Deserve,' Falwell Says" by John F Harris, in The Washington Post (14 September 2001)


The ACLU's got to take a lot of blame for this.
On responses to the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, as quoted in AANEWS #958 (14 September 2001) and at Positive Atheism
Pat, did you notice yesterday the ACLU, and all the Christ-haters, People For the American Way, NOW, etc. were totally disregarded by the Democrats and the Republicans in both houses of Congress as they went out on the steps and called out on to God in prayer and sang "God Bless America" and said "let the ACLU be hanged"? In other words, when the nation is on its knees, the only normal and natural and spiritual thing to do is what we ought to be doing all the time -- calling upon God.
On responses to the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, as quoted in AANEWS #958 (14 September 2001)
And, I know that I'll hear from them for this. But, throwing God out successfully with the help of the federal court system, throwing God out of the public square, out of the schools. The abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked. And when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad. I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People for the American Way -- all of them who have tried to secularize America -- I point the finger in their face and say "you helped this happen.
Remarks to Pat Robertson after the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks on The 700 Club (13 September 2001)

Oh I Have A Million Of Them.....

-Sarge

how bout this one

www.oilempire.us

one of those guys is a bin laden.


nice

"He was willing to let this go on why, because he truly does hold the same beliefs as his pastor? Posted by everlong "


"But I do know Sen. Obama. He does not share those views." - John McCain

what a crock of political shit
was how I was going to start off and then I just read the post by killferd and obamas pales in comparison.

but anyway

the quotes he read from the book onpage 294 were all goody goody feel good stuff and thats okay but ACCORDING TO RELIABLE SOURCES on PAGE 293 were all about the greed of the white man and more seperatists, rascists hate speech and this is from the sermon that barry obama says was the sermon that ispired him to join this church.......
please explain that mister obama.
and maybe he can give a nice little talk about the rezko stuff when he gets a chance.

and remember when bush spoke at bob jones U or was it someone else..doesnt matter because the left here and in the media called it a meeting with the devil himslef but I guess the TWENTY YEAR mentorship of this race baiting, class warmongering, hatefull excuse for a pastor really doesnt count.
this will hurt him in november......but you know me, I dont make predictions.

from the looks of the above posts....them righties is skkkkkeeeeerrrred of Obama!!!
When will they start calling him gay???

Posted by danni at 2008-03-18 02:55 PM | Reply |

bingo. verrrry ascared indeed...grasping at straws i'd say. angry old white men trying to ignite racial divide as their world goes topsy turvy, cause a man that isn't white might make it to the...white house...and the guy they've got to offer has more experience than obama, but it's all related to failure... and to top it off, more often than not, the senile old fuck has to "explain" what he meant after talking to the media... hell, I'd be pissed as well.



Pssst, Sarge-

When you keep trying to deflect to Robertson/Falwell/Evangelical Kook Du Jour and no one responds, its a pretty good sign that no one is reading your posts or thinks that they add to the discussion.

Especially when you triple post.

pancho........its obvious that you havent heard any of the rascists sermons of obamas mentor and spirit guide or whatever the hell he was...,maybe you should listen to what obama has been listening to for 20 years......
but you probably have and you just dont give a shit if you think it will mean a dem is in the white house or thats what it seems like anyway.
there is a clear cut double standard that cannot be denied...example....the bob jones U speech and anytime a religious leader supports a republican, we are told that this means the politician will try and make everyone into a jesus freak, hard core follower but HERE....oh its okay......dont worry about it...those 20 years of obama standing up and cheering like all the others when listening to this racial war monger .....thats okay.....he's obama and he has struggled..........sure.....

When McCain makes more sense than the wingnuts, what's this nation coming to?

Talk about your loose screws. Most of these posts show nary a thread of logic whatsoever amongst all the angst and vitriole.

Was this his best speech ever? If you required an answer to that, then I would say of course it was. This is the only speech Obama has given that mattered to every American. The content of this speech effects us all; the closet racist, the negro that wears his hatred on his sleeve, the chinese man that thinks all blacks steal, the Latinos that think all whites are gringos. It is sad to see how America has not come as far as we pretend it has. It is high time that we begin to address race head on in this country. So, instead of waiting until dinner tonight to call that black guy at work a nigger for getting the promotion you thought you deserved, listen to what Obama says and confront your thoughts head on. It's not the black guy you should be upset with but more so yourself for failing you.

At work I have a white guy that I can't stand and I spoke with him about my concerns. He called me a racist as well but rather than get upset, I asked him why he felt that way. I further explained to him why I had problems with him and my explanation was right on the lines of racism but through the eyes of sterotypical thinking. To me this guy wants what he feels all middle aged white men should have; the wife, the house, the BMW, the stocks, the great abs, the social network full of portfolio holders, the whole nine yards. He comes off as if he is entitled and he sometimes seemingly works to make others feels that they are less than he is. Who else generally thinks this way but white Americans?

Our differences are just that, differences. But the long term ramifications of a continued stalemate is to further accept where we are, a nation of closet racist wishing for failures amongts each other, and not wishing for parents to tell someday tell their babies, little Mikey, don't you ever say that about another race again becuase it's just not true.

"This guy's pastor says it's all Americas fault, from the pilgrims to Hiroshima."

Posted by Kris_P_Bacon


"If you're not a born-again Christian, you're a failure as a human being."

-Jerry Falwell (1933 - 2007)

His message of peace and reconciliation under almost all circumstances is simply incompatible with Christian teachings as I interpret them. This 'turn the other cheek' business is all well and good but it's not what Jesus fought and died for. What we need to do is take the battle to the Muslim heathens and do unto them before they do unto us.

-Jerry Falwell (1933 - 2007) Jimmy Carter in a radio interview on (4 March 2002).


"Just like what Nazi Germany did to the Jews, so liberal America is now doing to the evangelical Christians. It's no different. It is the same thing. It is happening all over again. It is the Democratic Congress, the liberal-based media and the homosexuals who want to destroy the Christians. Wholesale abuse and discrimination and the worst bigotry directed toward any group in America today. More terrible than anything suffered by any minority in history." (Interview with Molly Ivins)

-Pat Robertson

"You say you're supposed to be nice to the Episcopalians and the Presbyterians and the Methodists and this, that, and the other thing. Nonsense, I don't have to be nice to the spirit of the Antichrist."

- Pat Robertson, The 700 Club, January 14, 1991

Yeah But These Guys Are So Loved And Get A White House Pass

-Sarge

were we all unaware of the visits bush and cheney made to the bin ladens??

didn't stop yall righties from voting for bush...
twice


You're missing the point, Klifferd. Obama is running on being the guy who can heal the divide in race relations in this country. That is what his whole speech today turned into. If that is the case, then it is a very valid question to ask, does he intend to do so in the manner in which he has been taught and in the same fashion as those he connects himself to?

In other words, does he hold ANY of the hateful views towards white America that his pastor does? Does he plan on fighting the race issue in the fashion of Farrakhan? These are valid questions for the media or the right or anyone to ask. But people like yourself want it to be a non issue so you deflect it with your, "yeah, but what about Bush" comments.

Newsflash, Obama isn't Bush and Bush isn't running.

Trying to remember if my pastor has ever said "g-damn", used the n-word, or made humping motions during a sermon.....

Nope

This was an incredible speech - I've completed reading it.

I'd like to see Hillary or McCain give a speech like this.

Heck, they probably could write one this good.

People heckled Bush for his lack of public speaking and said that was one of Reagan's strengths.

Well, Obama has Oration under his belt.

He answered many questions and he hit the race divided people of America under every color.

We are one people with one country and we deserve crap when we crap on ourselves and our brethren.

Obama really does sound like some very famous speakers.

JFK, MLK, Lincoln. This speech defines him very well.

Impressed? Perhaps not enought for some for presidental issues, but daresay he's more intelligent than several of the last Presidents?

The man answered tough questions. I don't think Hillary or McCain would ever have touched the issues he did, they way he did, with the believeable feeling as he has shown here.

I have no party affiliation. I think they both need replacement. But, I would rather side with a hopeful future - especially after the futures on Wall Street.

"In other words, does he hold ANY of the hateful views towards white America that his pastor does? Does he plan on fighting the race issue in the fashion of Farrakhan?"

I guess the place to start would be to examine whether any of his public actions or pronouncements have indicated that those views were his own? I think the answer is no.

Do any policies he has advocated, bills he has voted for, stands he has taken indicate that he holds those views? Again, I think the answer is no.

Have any of his colleagues in Illinois or Washington accused him of, or even hinted at him holding such views. No.

So unless you are prepared to argue that he is some sort of "Manchurian Candidate" I think you are way off base.

"This is the only speech Obama has given that mattered to every American."

Not this one...I knew months ago I wouldn't vote for him, but simply because he's way too far left for me. Consequently, it wouldn't matter what he said in his speech, I still wouldn't be voting for him.
As far as condoning bigotry, No one is worse than minorities such as Wright and his parishoners. It seems none of them (except maybe Oprah, who left his church long ago) voted with their feet or confronted him on some of those issues.

"...we are, a nation of closet racist wishing for failures amongts each other, and not wishing for parents to tell someday tell their babies, little Mikey, don't you ever say that about another race again becuase it's just not true."

Little Mikey could certainly benefit from some proper raising, and so could little Jamal. I doubt that any children associated with Wright's congregation are getting any "tolerance" training. They're sure indoctrinated with how the "white man" invented AIDS to kill them though.

Obama is running on being the guy who can heal the divide in race relations in this country. That is what his whole speech today turned into. If that is the case, then it is a very valid question to ask, does he intend to do so in the manner in which he has been taught and in the same fashion as those he connects himself to?

or should he heal the divide by just ignoring it? You can't heal a divide without confronting it.

I would say he is doing fine so far...stay tuned 22 April is a long news cycle away...

Especially when you triple post.


If you look at Ever's it was the Website not me that cause the Triple post.

No "Deflection" just facts and the Question is "Why" no Bloody Out Cry from Other Clergyman ?

Wright Has not made statements like this:

"If I could just get a nuclear device inside Foggy Bottom, I think that's the answer." (talking about the United States State Department)

- Pat Robertson, The 700 Club

So to all of you these Clergyman with "Millions of Followers" statements have been made for "42 Years" thier endorsements have been sort after and they have "Supported and Advised" at least "3 Presidents" but they are "OK" and nothing to be Upset About.

-Sarge

"This was an incredible speech - I've completed reading it."

Petrous - I recommend you watch the video if you get a chance. I agree the speech is impressive to read, but you get an even better perspective if you listen to him deliver it.

" I recommend you watch the video if you get a chance."

Does anybody have a link to the full speech?

Trying to remember if my pastor has ever said "g-damn", used the n-word, or made humping motions during a sermon.....

Nope

Posted by anamerican at 2008-03-18 03:42 PM


you got one of them boring pastors huh?

have you ever been in a "black" church in all its glory?...not even like the quiet (boring) "white" churches...even when they are "rocking to the Lord"...

Honestly, if I was a church person I would rather go the black church...Elvis Presley liked them better too, obviously, are you saying the King had bad taste?


Do you elect the short-experience US Senator with YEARS of experience is the State Legislature?

Do you elect the short-experience US Senator with no years prior in any governing capacity with bad decisions in those short years?

Do you elect the long-experience US Senator with many years of proven bad decisions in writing bills?

The so-called least experienced one has more than Hillary. It's Obama. He doesn't have as many years of McCain, but McCain has spent his time making many serious mistakes in Congress. Iran would be next.

"They're sure indoctrinated with how the "white man" invented AIDS to kill them though."

Posted by jestgettinalong

Well It Is Not Like Some Shit Like It Never Happened Before To Bring It Into Question !

Remembering Tuskegee
Syphilis Study Still Provokes Disbelief, Sadness
July 25, 2002 --Thirty years ago today, the Washington Evening Star newspaper ran this headline on its front page: "Syphilis Patients Died Untreated." With those words, one of America's most notorious medical studies, the Tuskegee Syphilis Study, became public.

"For 40 years, the U.S. Public Health Service has conducted a study in which human guinea pigs, not given proper treatment, have died of syphilis and its side effects," Associated Press reporter Jean Heller wrote on July 25, 1972. "The study was conducted to determine from autopsies what the disease does to the human body."

The next morning, every major U.S. newspaper was running Heller's story. For Morning Edition, NPR's Alex Chadwick reports on how the Tuskegee experiment was discovered after 40 years of silence.

The Public Health Service, working with the Tuskegee Institute, began the study in 1932. Nearly 400 poor black men with syphilis from Macon County, Ala., were enrolled in the study. They were never told they had syphilis, nor were they ever treated for it. According to the Centers for Disease Control, the men were told they were being treated for "bad blood," a local term used to describe several illnesses, including syphilis, anemia and fatigue.

www.npr.org

-Sarge

"Face it, this speech will turn around all this negativity towards Obama. He met the critics head-on and explained all of his positions. The way he talks, the way he looks at the camera with his searing brown and expressive eyes, you know he is talking right to you. As he lifts his chin, and licks his lip every so gently, I can almost feel the heat of his breath on my neck as I imagine myself sliding my handf up under his shirt and running my hand over his brawny coffee-colored ches...Unnnnnggghhh!! Oh...Oh God, I seem to have made a mess of myself. I need to grab some Kleenex and get cleaned up. I'll be back later..."


FF for MANYPATHS

"Does anybody have a link to the full speech?"

www.barackobama.com

All in all it was a very good speech. And I'm a political sceptic when it comes to "messiahs". All in all this thread is one of disappointment imho. Our divisions are many and perpetuated by the sentiments and beliefs that righties are racist (so many "lefties" state and believe)...and lefties are apologist, hence racist in their own right (so many "righties" state and believe), etc and the DR is so prejudicial with those statements throughout.

These issues (prejudice of many kinds)start and get fixed one, by one with improvements generation by generation and by each of our own honest personal reflections and assessments done one at a time.

I live in the most polarized city in the nation and it is amazing that it is NOT difficult to break through and past stereotyping (prejudice) to work for betterment, one person (first yourself), then consideration to move others, one at a time.

Obama is to be commended for his direct approach to our realities.

I said sometime ago on the DR. If Hillary wins the Dem nomination, in a Dem election that should be an impossible election to lose, it will be lost by the Dems. I also stated that if Obama wins their will be a landslide coming in the fall. Still my belief.

Through all of this, I just have to wonder...how many of Wright's sermons did Obama's little girls sit through? Did they get the "God DAMN America" part? Were they told that the "white man" invented aids to kill them?? What was Michelle teaching them before "the first time in her life she was proud of America?" What questions might those little girls have asked Michelle...and Obama...and what kind of answers did they receive? I don't think Michelle told them that Wright's sermons were BS and should be ignored...do you? Did Obama tell them that "Uncle Jeremiah was just a silly old man?" Ya' gotta wonder...

I guess the place to start would be to examine whether any of his public actions or pronouncements have indicated that those views were his own? I think the answer is no.

Do any policies he has advocated, bills he has voted for, stands he has taken indicate that he holds those views? Again, I think the answer is no.

Have any of his colleagues in Illinois or Washington accused him of, or even hinted at him holding such views. No.

So unless you are prepared to argue that he is some sort of "Manchurian Candidate" I think you are way off base.

Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2008-03-18 03:45 PM |

If those are valid reasons to disbelieve then certainly his affiliation with this pastor is good enough reason to believe. Have you heard this guy preach? Have you heard what his beliefs are? Obama saw a good reason to attend this church for 20 years and now he can see no good reason to denounce the pastor. Obama is going to get tripped up by this big time whether you think he is or not. The sounbites have already started and they will continue. This is not good for Obama, no matter how good his speech was.



Does anybody have a link to the full speech?

Posted by nullifidian at 2008-03-18 03:54 PM


www.msnbc.msn.com

just click on the video n the article...

get a cup o tea first and get comfy...

Thanks, SanAn and Donnerboy.

"I also stated that if Obama wins their will be a landslide coming in the fall. Still my belief."

I think he'll still win the nomination, but it's gonna be a real dog fight. However the general election is another matter and it's very unlikely to be a landslide in either regard. This episode has hurt Obama and anyone with half a brain should know that. Those that think his speech is gonna solve everthing are deluding themselves.

Obama isn't a bad person...he's not the Second Coming either. He's just a politician...like all the OTHER politicians except that he's more charismatic than most and an excellent public speaker. Underneath it all...he's still just a politician and probably not deserving of all this fainting and drooling.

The last time I remember things like this was when JFK was running. (He didn't win by a landslide either. In fact, he lost the popular vote and many say should have lost the election as a result of fraud in Chicago. I liked him, I voted for him. But, that's all another topic.) We discovered sometime later that Kennedy was, after all, not the Second Coming, and just a politician with warts also. I suspect we will discover some of the warts on Obama as well.

bl2..."its obvious that you havent heard any of the rascists sermons of obamas mentor and spirit guide or whatever the hell he was...,"""

He's now distanced himself from him, which is more than boy dunder can claim about his pariah, pat robertson. In any case, the pastor's comments are provocative, but there is a basis of truth in what he says...white collar crime vs. three strikes, chicken coming home to roost on 911, etc., I guess that's why it pisses some people off so much.

When you think that Obama has reached new heights, you find out he's capable of even more:

This wasn't a speech by committee... Obama wrote the speech himself, working on it for two days and nights.... and showed it to only a few of his top advisers.

marcambinder.theatlantic.com

Awesome....

"He didn't win by a landslide either. In fact, he lost the popular vote ..."

Sorry, but that's not a "fact":

Popular vote:

JFK: 34,220,984
RMN: 34,108,157

In the national popular vote Kennedy beat Nixon by just one tenth of one percentage point (0.1%) - the closest popular-vote margin of the twentieth century.
Hans

This is not good for Obama, no matter how good his speech was.

You see what you want to see and hear what you want to hear. The Republican nominee, John McCain said that Obama is not Rev. Wright, but you choose to believe what the majority have already learned isn't real.

Obama will be judged on his own merits, not on his affilliation with what someone else said. Wright's given thousands of speeches, but only a snippet from a few have brought down the scorn of those looking for anything they can to throw against Obama's candidacy? Read his sermon on the Audacity of Hope and tell me just how his soaring words divide instead of unite all of us under the majesty of our Creator.

What America now sees is a man at peace within his skin and intimately cognizant of where and who he is, as it regards the issue of race in this nation. He wants to move beyond our checkered past, and the ignorant would instead chose to wallow in its misery. America is not as stupid as those targeting Obama believe. Look at the crowds. Look at the money, all coming from over a million individuals of every race, creed and ethnic heritage. These are the voices of change that will not remain silent any longer.

The change has already occured and the ignorant stupidly try to drag the unwilling back into their chains. Sorry, those chains are broken forever to those who understand the complexity of race in America. We will not be bound by ignorance and intolerance any longer. We are free, even if we have to listen to the desparate cries of our former captors trying to bring the horses back into the barn because they don't want to share equality. Some have never wanted to share equality because they view it to mean their days as masters are finished, even if its only rhetorical.

It is over. Freedom has won, hallelujah!

"Sorry, but that's not a "fact":"

Maybe...lots of opinions...Francis Russel writes in the New York Review of Books:

"Given the Byzantine intricacies of Alabama politics, it is indeed possible that Nixon's popular vote may have slightly exceeded Kennedy's in that close election. Whereas in most states in a presidential election voters are given a single slate of Republican or Democratic electors to check off, Alabama Democratic voters could choose or reject individually from the list of electors, eleven separate choices. There must have been considerable vote-splitting in 1960, for an anti-Kennedy elector topped the list with 324,050 votes, trailed by a pro-Kennedy with 318,303 votes. This latter figure the Congressional Quarterly gives as the total Alabama Kennedy vote. The difference between the "anti" and the "pro," the Quarterly tabulates as "Other." The "Others" then, with some six thousand votes, take six electors whereas the Republicans with thirty times that total get no electors at all. This, as Professor Tullock points out, is an absurdity.

There is no tabulating the vote exactly, but for a reasonable approximation one can divide 318,303 by eleven, multiply it by five for the pro-Kennedys and by six for the anti-Kennedys. The Kennedy Alabama total would then be 144,685 instead of the Quarterly's given 318,303. If we then deduct the 179,838 anti-Kennedy Alabama votes from the national total then Nixon did have a final 64,165 vote plurality in the 68,828,960 votes cast.


And John Fund wrote in 2003...

"The Democratic slate defeated Nixon, 324,050 votes to 237,981. In the end, the six unpledged electors voted for Sen. Harry Byrd of Virginia, a leading Dixiecrat, and the other five stuck with their pledge to Kennedy. When the Associated Press at the time counted up the popular vote from all 50 states it listed all the Democratic votes, pledged and unpledged, in the Kennedy column. Over the years other counts have routinely assigned all of Alabama's votes to Kennedy.

But scholars say that isn't accurate. "Not all the voters who chose those electors were for Kennedy--anything but," says historian Albert Southwick. Humphrey Taylor, the current chairman of the polling firm Louis Harris & Associates (which worked for Kennedy in 1960), acknowledges that in Alabama "much of the popular vote . . . that is credited to Kennedy's line to give him a small plurality nationally" is dubious. "Richard Nixon seems to have carried the popular vote narrowly, while Kennedy won in the Electoral College," he concludes.

Congressional Quarterly, the respected nonpartisan chronicler of Washington politics, spent some effort in the 1960s to come up with a fair way of counting Alabama's votes. Reporter Neil Pierce took the highest vote cast for any of the 11 Democratic electors in Alabama--324,050--and divided it proportionately between Kennedy and the unpledged electors who ended up voting for Harry Byrd.

Using that method, Kennedy was given credit for 5/11ths of the Democratic total, or 147,295 votes. Nixon's total in Alabama of 237,981 remained the same. The remaining 176,755 votes were counted as being for the unpledged electors.

With these new totals for Alabama factored in with the vote counts for the other 49 states, Nixon has a 58,181-vote plurality, edging out Kennedy 34,108,157 votes to 34,049,976. Using that calculation the 1960 election was even closer than we thought."



"another typical liberal........... it is always someone elses fault..."

Hey BL2, who's fault is it we're running massive deficits? Who's fault is it the borders are porous? Who's fault is it there's no exit strategy in Iraq?

Let's see the response from the "party of responsibility".

Dude, you are dellusional, Tonyroma.

"We are free, even if we have to listen to the desparate cries of our former captors trying to bring the horses back into the barn because they don't want to share equality."

Try listening to any number of the good pastor's sermons concerning race and then tell me this should be the battle cry for the next evolution of race relations in the country.

You say we are dragging the discussion down when we point to a vehement racist and radical who preched to your savior for 20 years. The questions being raised are valid and relevant to the campaign, you're just upset that Obama actually has to answer a few tough questions and the press isn't just laying down for him anymore.

You better get used to it, because it is only going to get worse in the general. And, by the way, McCain answered that question the way any presidential candidate would have. He also said that he wouldn't have gone to that church. But, you expect an entire party to just roll over and play nice for Obama....for what reason? Oh, because the chains have been broken. Yeah, sure they have been, just ask Obama.

"It is over. Freedom has won, hallelujah!"

Wonderful...I'm glad for you, Tony. Now, Obama doesn't even need to campaign any longer and there'll be no more Jeremiah Wrights no more Hillary Clintons, no more real estate scandals or anything. We'll just have to wait for Bush to hand over the reins of government next January. I hear McCain is delivering his "surrender" speech tonight.

another typical liberal........... it is always someone elses fault.......even when they are doing something no one else is involved in...........love it....thanks for that........


It was the Website and is that the best you can do? Sorry I'm not a Liberal BL2 !

-Sarge

who's fault is it we're running massive deficits?

The dems and repubs.

Who's fault is it the borders are porous?

The dems and repubs.

Who's fault is it there's no exit strategy in Iraq?

There is one and you've been hearing it over and over again. Stand up the Iraqi government and settle the security agreement, and then go home. The security agreement is being discussed as we speak but still has a lot of work to be done on it to stand in place of the UN mandate.

BL2,

Like I Stated It Was The Website:

Posted by everlong at 2008-03-18 03:02 PM | Reply | Flag

Posted by everlong at 2008-03-18 03:03 PM | Reply | Flag


-Sarge

Don't be surprised Rcade, most Socialist and Communist dictators thought their "visions" were bigger too.

This is a dodge, Walt. Every politician has a vision for the country. Are you reluctant to discuss why your first take on this speech was a sleazy accusation about Obama's parentage?

You're face to face with Barack Obama, he takes it out... how many of you just start sucking the hell out of it?

This isn't even funny, Rob. It's just asinine. Spitwads from the back of the classroom by the kids marking time until school's out and they can go back to huffing paint.

And yet everything you claimed had been "purged" from the website is right here on this page - where it's always been.

You mean, until it disappears... AGAIN. LOL!

The buried the "Black Value System" under a new post featuring "white faces"...

...and then attributed the "Black Value System" to the racist Rev. Wright (instead of the Church itself).

The Trinity Church is "air-brushing" their website for Obama. LOL!

"Maybe...lots of opinions...Francis Russel writes in the New York Review of Books..."

So, in other words, your claim that Kennedy "lost the popular vote..." is based on "lots of opinions," and is not, as you claimed, a "fact."

The fact here is that the official record shows Kennedy winning the popular vote.

Your "lots of opinions" sounds like someone "proving" that Gore actually won Florida in 2000.

The fact, of course, is that he lost, officially, by 537 votes.

Hans

"You mean, until it disappears... AGAIN. LOL!

Posted by Farmer_John at 2008-03-18 05:24 PM"

Its Ok dear Farmer. You've now shown us that you are, indeed, NOT as big a man as Bill Kristol... that not only are you willing and eager to post something demonstrably false, but willing and eager to continue to perpetuate the falsehood despite all evidence to the contrary.

And you've shown us that you don't even have the fundamental decency to be even slightly embarrassed about it.

But I do enjoy the delicious irony of you accusing Obama of being dishonest, even as you post your lie yet again.

Nice.

Dang.

Didn't get to see the speech.

But judging from the love/hate reactions here, it must've been pretty powerful stuff.

Disappointed to see no posts from the dr's most articulate hater.

But ol' Walt sure made an ass of himself. Kinda' sad...he's usually better than that...showed his true colors, tho.

"Spitwads from the back of the classroom by the kids marking time until school's out and they can go back to huffing paint."

Accurate description of the asshole_rob.



...perpetuate the falsehood despite all evidence to the contrary.

Really? Then how come all the
white faces showed up where the "Black Value System" had been?

The Media Research Center notes that in place of these words now are video clips from church members, including one from a white church official who said she feels at home at Trinity.

They came back later with some nonsense link that the Black Value System had all been the racist Rev. Wright's idea. The AIRBRUSHING happened. Q.E.D.

Now where's YOUR admission of error SARogue. I won't hold my breath, hypocrite.

You can no longer access "The Black Value System" page you linked to from the Church's homepage.

Yeah. It still exists on the net... but you've got to know it's there to find it. You can't get to it from the homepage. It's been "airbrushed".

So admit you LIED SARogue. Suck it up and apologize like Bil Kristol would. LOL!

II still NEED to hear Barak say the following things before he wins any credit back that The good Rev cost him:


1. "I DO NOT belive that the AIDS virus was constructed by the CIA for use on Africans and African Americans."

2. "The terrible acts of carnage on Sept, 11th were the acts of 19 horribly demented scum and NOT with the awarness of the GOV."

3. "I went to Harvard. But hey, I still know about the gehtto, I have to drive through it to get to my Office and Church."



4. Hillary Clinton is a nigger. Take that Pastor Wright

BTW the speech was FAR from powerfull OR moving.

same old same old.

Also, what the fuck is a "Black Value System"????


Wonder what people would say about me if I deside to start a church and devote it to a "White Value System"??

Prolly call me a racist white sepratist.

Good gravy, when I began reading this thread I almost thought I had stumbled into a Klan meeting by mistake. What awful bile and hatred has been spewed here today. As for the speech, I read it, it was powerful, thanks to the links posted here I saw it, it was even more powerful. It is long overdue, everyone tip-toes around the race issue in this country but it has never been fully addressed it has never been spoken of, until now. Based upon some of the comments here it is no wonder that America is considered a "backward" country by many overseas. My bi-racial sister and her "white" husband were actually nervous about coming to visit me here in the deep south, "will they give us problems seeing as we are a mixed race couple?" America has to accept the fact that the seemingly most advanced nation on the planet was still practicing discrimination of a skin color as recently as what 30 years ago? When I first moved here in 1991 I had no idea that I was moving to what was a discriminatory nation, hey you guys have nuclear weapons, you are really smart right? Wrong. The more I learned of the discrimination of blacks I was absolutely GOBSMACKED to use a good English term. I watched "Remember the Titans" and "We were Soldiers" and could not believe that a country as so called progressive as the US could a) not allow a certain skin color into a restaurant and b) not allow a certain skin color to use a laundromat. Barack's speech was long overdue. It puts the black resentment into perspective. Believe me, I am a white chick, the original English Rose, but if I had been treated like the blacks had been treated in this country then I would be as resentful as hell. Oh and Farmer John is a pillock whose head will explode the day Obama is sworn in.

Observing that Rev. Wright, Louis Farrakhan of the Nation of Islam, and Barack Hussein Obama, are racists, based on their observed actions and statements, spurs some lefties to claim that such observations are "racist. Weird ideation, but what can you expect from addled leftist racists, who finds the bases of their world view threatened by reality.

What is it, lefties. Was Wright an America-hater, a hater of whites, and a Jew-hater? Did members of Wrights church pledge allegiance to Africa and not America? Is that evidence of alienation?

Do Rev. Wright's declarations from the pulpit "Damn America" and "F--k America" convey a sense of love for America?

Are you guys suggesting that Obama was in a catatonic state for 17 years, and didn't know what was going on?

I suppose that you can create your own reality. But to expect sane people to share your delusions is a sign of the profundity of your distress. In your denials you only convince your chorus that is also living on the edge of reality.

Fortunately, the voters will dispose of this creep, Obama.

"You can no longer access "The Black Value System" page you linked to from the Church's homepage. Posted by Farmer John"

Do you think you can just lie and lie and lie and not get called on it, Farmer?

Go back and look at your OWN link. Right there on the Church's HOME PAGE, right under the banner that says "Good Search" is this sentence, complete with link to the page...

"Click here to read about The Black Value System"

www.tucc.org

What the hell is the matter with you, anyway?

I don't even want to know who would spit (Rogers) and who would swallow (Tony)... Let's not get that personal... I'm just betting 85% of you would go down on Barack Obama if the opportunity presented itself...

4. Hillary Clinton is a nigger. Take that Pastor Wright

Posted by 101Chairborne


Not only is Rev. Wright an idiot, he's apparently a liar...

FF!

Oh and Farmer John is a pillock...

Your wonderful English understatement is noted and smiled upon.

Did some fish n chipper just complain about vitriol and bile? For fucking real? Racism is alive and well in jolly old england, not to mention you some how have nukes and Hooliganism.

You have Lennox Lewis, and not one other black person. You lack perspective...

By the way, Obama is also a crook who took a $300,000 payoff from a Chicago political fixer.

I don't even want to know who would spit (Rogers) and who would swallow (Tony)... Let's not get that personal... I'm just betting 85% of you would go down on Barack Obama if the opportunity presented itself...

What the hell does this even mean?

I think RCADE has been a little too nice to the trolls and allowable postings of such mean spirited malicious comments.

I for the life of me can't possibly figure out what rob is trying to say here, not in any type of rationale.

Posted by Litlebritdifrnt at 2008-03-18 06:45 PM

... if I had been treated like the blacks had been treated in this country then I would be as resentful as hell. Oh and Farmer John is a pillock whose head will explode the day Obama is sworn in.

Little Tea Rose, even granting the truth of your statement, if you had enraged someone would you think it wise to give that enraged person power over you.

I don't care how "bad" I've been, I don't want to expose myself to anyone's vindictiveness.

And there seems to be little doubt that Obama was indoctrinated in a hate infused church for 17 years.

He also had his children indoctrinated with hate of America and antagonism toward whites by their attendance in the church.

I certainly don't want anyone with the hateful mindset toward "my kind" that pervades Trinity Church to make any decisions that could affect me. Do you want to take such a chance?

I for the life of me can't possibly figure out what rob is trying to say here,

I'm saying that to the Obama supporters here it wouldn't have mattered what Obama said about his relationship with Reverend Wright, because you are like a bunch of cultists worshiping this junior senator like he's some sort of prophet. And that you're all gay.

I am not saying anything apologetic or the like because I am scared of ANY of you but please look a little closer next time.
I am blTWO........bl3 is an imposter and when you answer the prick as if it were me, then you give the shit what they want.
I dont expect an apology, just look closer next time.

This isn't even funny, Rob. It's just asinine. Spitwads from the back of the classroom by the kids marking time until school's out and they can go back to huffing paint.

Posted by rcade


uh oh, you're not going to like 651 post at all...

Bullshit its asinine... its a funny commentary about how you liberals are practically worshiping the ground he walks on...

Its actually starting to get creepy...

1. I think RCADE has been a little too nice to the trolls and allowable postings of such mean spirited malicious comments.

2. I for the life of me can't possibly figure out what rob is trying to say here, not in any type of rationale.
POSTED BY MONEYWAR AT 2008-03-18 07:01 PM | REPLY

1. You have the gaul to mention mean spirited posts after what you and Hans have typed?
2. I'm sure it will come as no surprise, but there are quite a few people that read your posts in order to be confused. It's as if you open a book, pick out 12 random words, and then put them in a sentence. "...not in any type of a rationale"

1. You have the gaul to mention mean spirited posts after what you and Hans have typed?


I've been burning DVDs and missed this... I'll start hunting, but can a brotha get a link?

He's now distanced himself from him, which is more than boy dunder can claim about his pariah, pat robertson. Posted by panchovilla

Its not enough.....

and here is another point......houston talk radio had a BLACK caller call in and talked about the trent lott deal and he is completely correct. he made a comment about thrumond and it was the end of his career because libs said that he was a new thurman or whatever.........then he went on bet and made a fool of himslef kowtowing to the welfare pimps and national class warfare mongers names sharpton and jackson. and here the furor was gigantic calling for his resignation and calling him all sorts of names....but we forget that dont we..
how convienent.


and BLESS THIER HEARTs...I also heard more than a couple of black callers as well as others say that if their preacher had preached like that more than just a little.
THEY WOULD HAVE LEFT...........so he disagreed time after time and yet kept going there.....I "AINT" BUYING IT......
at the LEAST he went there for political reasons.......thats okay, just admit it.

Rob,
The exact same thing douchepud got booted for (I'm going back a couple of weeks).

Ah gotcha...

I'd put MW in the yes column of my poll...

BL2,

I dont expect an apology, just look closer next time.

Damn Brother I'm sorry, I apologize I should have looked and known better.

-Sarge

Are you reluctant to discuss why your first take on this speech was a sleazy accusation about Obama's parentage?

Since Walt aint responding Spud will take a crack at it.

Cos like Farmer John, Tiny Johnson and other obvious racist hacks on this site they would all prefer it if "miscegnation" were still illegal.

Spud thinks the funnest part about when Obama gets sworn in as POTUS will the sound of Klansmen like Farmer John and Tiny Johnson and other creepy backwards assed fucksticks when their heads all simultaneously asplode.

Good riddance to bad rubbish sez Spud.

It's pretty easy to see where the true racism and hate reside from reading this thread.

The Big White Tent of the GOP. Natch

Un-fucking-deniable at this point.

Its actually starting to get creepy...

Creepy? No Rob, wots creepy is that there are still folks in the US so stupid and fucked up they think (and I use that word in it's broadest context) that racist humour in 2008 is either A) funny or B) appropriate.

Creepy is someone looking at a wreck of a human being like McCain and actually thinking he would make a decent POTUS and CiC (much less a better one than Obama) that's wot's creepy.

See also: Yer mirror.

Be Well.

Sorry rob it isn't funny, and coming from you the bush loving maximum man makes it even less funny.

Both you and 101 used to have some good valid humor in your posts, now they are just plain shepherds hook material.

It is almost like you don't know the material you two are trying to mock and that is why it comes off so poorly.

Think you both need to get into modern reality a little bit before the hook pulls you off for good.

Creepy? No Rob, wots creepy is that there are still folks in the US so stupid and fucked up they think (and I use that word in it's broadest context) that racist humour in 2008 is either A) funny or B) appropriate.

Racist? Where have I been racist?

See this is one of my biggest problems with Obama supporters... anyone who doesn't agree with Obama, thinks he's too liberal, lacks experience, hates his ideas... well they're just racists...

Creepy is someone looking at a wreck of a human being like McCain and actually thinking he would make a decent POTUS and CiC

www.time.com

John McCain, who is widely regarded (everywhere except inside the Republican Party itself) as honest, courageous, likable and intelligent.

Both you and 101 used to have some good valid humor in your posts, now they are just plain shepherds hook material.

Again... In this thread, on this subject, we're going after McCain and his supporters... so now we're racists...

This got old 6 months ago...

GO HILLARY!!!

well I dont know about the should have known better part....lol but it happens.....
"aint no thang".

and colbert is hillarious tonight.
he has as a guest samantha powers and then he said.....who says he is inexperienced...he already has a FORMER foreign affiars advisor.....funny.....

No MW you didn't call us racists (sorry I got distracted and forgot to add more to that line before hitting publish), but you are saying we should be banned for good... Just because we're after Obama...

"who's fault is it we're running massive deficits? "

The dems and repubs.

Repubs have controlled the purse strings for over a decade. Try again.

"Who's fault is it the borders are porous?"

The dems and repubs.

Repubs were in unfettered control for six years and did nothing.

But it's easier to blame the party out of power, isn't it? 'Cause that's what the "party of responsibility" is all about.

whats sad is you don't get the same kind of inspiration from john mccain

you are scared of obama because he can inspire so many

and mccain can't inspire a room that reeks of ben gay and denture adhesive.

you would rather vote based on your party then your politics.

"1. You have the gaul to mention mean spirited posts after what you and Hans have typed?"

This should be interesting.

Hans

you would rather vote based on your party then your politics.

I don't believe in hand outs for those who refuse to get a job, I don't think we should be talking with guys like Ahmahdinijad, I don't think we should run from Iraq now that the tide is turning, I don't think we should fuck with health care...

Oh I also have a problem with a man having a close personal relationship with a racist lecturing me about how its time to stop all the racism...

but other then that you're right, I'm not voting for him because he inspires so many...

all that you just said rob

is just invalid points from a stubborn man
who doesnt' realize he's lost

you are an intelligent man rob

but those answers are not intelligent

is just invalid points

Invalid points? They're what I think and believe, and that's how I base my vote... sorry I don't think like you and say "well he inspires lots of people let me run with him."

I don't believe fucking with health care is a good idea, Obama does. I don't think that talking to the leader of Iran is a good idea, Obama does. I don't think we should leave Iraq now, Obama does.

And Reverend Wright is clearly a racist, and hates America (Unless "God damn America" is ghetto slang for God Bless... Bad = Good and all that), and Obama is a close personal friend of his and has been for 20 years, so I have a problem with Obama lecturing America abouts race with Wright in his corner...

For those reasons and many like it, I am not voting for Obama... I'm sorry if you look like an ass now for your assumption as to why I'm not voting for him, but that's hardly my problem now is it?

Just because we're after Obama...

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2008-03-18 07:35 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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andf if he is president just think about ANY COMMENT at all will be a rascist dig against the president
ANY thing said about him against his policies will be anti black and racial....


you would rather vote based on your party then your politics.

Posted by klifferd at


this is a bullshit statement any time it is used in this context of anti republican. you cant state this without it applying to dems as well....otherwise, there would be a third party come out of all this...one thats actually viable.
and that ":AINT" gonna happen yet.

Rob racists????

You're going after Obama? The last time I looked it was not about Obama but going after the people who support Obama.

There is a difference and the way you are doing it is not funny, and find it interesting that you think it is funny.

I have not said I think you should be banned, I have said you will get banned by keeping up the current practice. Look at the moderation policy, one thing it says is it must be humorous in RCADE's eyes.

Well, RCADE so much as told you your stuff is not funny. I think he just shot a slug warning across your bow.

but those answers are not intelligent


Posted by klifferd


Just because you believe differently does mean what you think it does... I don't think fucking with healthcare is a good idea... you obviously think we should be...

I know what's going to happen when there is a big beauracratic mess of a healthcare system... Obama supporters are going to find out the hard way... and it isn't going to be pretty.

"Unless "God damn America" is ghetto slang for God Bless."

Rob, did you see enough of the segment to see the Jeremiah references? What do they mean to you?

My mistake, evidently you can access the page in question...now. That doesn't mean that it's always been accessible (like when the article was written) or that they didn't recently re-design the website and shuffle everything around.

And you have to admit that "the Black Value System" is a racist screed that if the word "white" were transposed for "black", there'd be a multi-racial lynch mob standing in the Churches front yard looking to hang its' members for Pledging Allegiance to All White Leadership Who Espouse and Embrace the White Value System...

"his is a bullshit statement any time it is used in this context of anti republican. you cant state this without it applying to dems as well"

if a dem said anything as invalid as everyone of robs points. i would say the same thing

get this... things can ALWAYS get better
health care ... needs to get better
politics with our enemies(iran) ... need to get better.. whats current isnt' working, unless continuously killing those we disagree with is civil.
iraq policy ... nees to get better
we need to leave iraq... we won. in case you didnt' notice, saddam is dead, we fucked up and killed a lot of people... but let them figure it out, we did them a favor and killed saddam time to leave.

There is a difference and the way you are doing it is not funny

To you... an Obama supporter... I didn't expect Liberal Obama supporters to laugh...

but I'm betting 101, Bushlovertwo, a few others here found it pretty funny...

I have not said I think you should be banned

Really? What did you mean by this?

I think RCADE has been a little too nice to the trolls and allowable postings of such mean spirited malicious comments.

You thinnk RCade has been too nice... so you're saying what?

Rob, did you see enough of the segment to see the Jeremiah references? What do they mean to you?

Posted by Danforth


Wait? What segment? The Wright speeches? yeah I saw them, and read them... its the typical "whitey kept me down so fuck them and fuck this country" type speech...

Or did you mean Obama's speech trying to distance himself? In which case I say that I refuse to accept Obama distancing himself from such a close personal friend and mentor of 20 years... Obama supporters found today's speech to be enough...

He could have walked up to the microphone and talked with his ass cheeks like Ace Ventura and they would have cried, fainted and rubbed a couple out...

The only thing this speech really accomplished is that it appears to have put the media back where they started... knelt down right in front of him... lips at the ready...

Everbody Pledge Allegiance to All White Leadership Who Espouse and Embrace the White Value System...

I guess that disqualifies Obama. My, didn't Obama and his wife take THAT pledge for over 20 years...

Welp, After sitting on the fence for a bit (Not liking Mccain for his Foreign Policy's and Not liking Obama for his Domestic Policy's, and well, just not liking Hillary), This speech probably pushed me over into the Obama camp.

While I'm still not a huge fan of his policies, I'm willing to give the guy a chance. His speech struck me as honest and filled with less empty rhetoric and "politics" then I had expected.


Hail to the chief

if a dem said anything as invalid as everyone of robs points. i would say the same thing

They're not "invalid" they're the opposite of what you think... we don't share the same opinion... that doesn't make what you think, fact.

get this... things can ALWAYS get better

They can get a fuck-ton worse

health care ... needs to get better

Horseshit... if you're not careful with this a lot of people are going to die... and no I'm not exaggerating...

politics with our enemies(iran) ... need to get better..

again, horseshit... if the other side can be trusted, and is willing to come to the table then sure... but a holocaust denying lunatic who wants to destroy one of our allies should not be talked to...

iraq policy ... nees to get better

Read a newspaper... things have gotten better... hell there was a thread here yesterday that even the Iraqis think so...

Opinions

Posted by klifferd


they're not invalid, they're not wrong... they're just your opinions, I have mine.

In regards to healthcare though, I'm right.

John McCain, who is widely regarded (everywhere except inside the Republican Party itself) as honest, courageous, likable and intelligent

Time magazine, Rob?

Fuck Time magazine. They are hopeless Hillary shills and one of the main dispensers of the MSM's kool-aid fer the status quo's sound bytes and have been like ...ferever.

The Truth about McCain is he isn't fit to be handing out towels in a freakin' washroom in Morrocco much less be voted into the most powerful job on earth.

Just saw him on CNN a coupla minutes ago having a senior moment on his photo op trip to the ME. Sed that Iran was training AQ sunnis and sending them over the border. Joe Loserman had to lean in and tell him the Iran was a Shia country not a Sunni one and he immediately corrected himself. When you need an Israeli Hack like Loserman to correct yer senior moments you are in serious trouble.

He's a hot head, a retard, a womaniser, a MIC muppet, a Grumpy old man with pre-ALS, a gold digger, a war monger, and America is apparently currently falling for his blatent photo op with help from the corporate MSM.

Spud never thought America was stupid or ignorant or self destructive or naive enuff to vote for Bush but apparently enuff folks did to allow him to steal two elections.

The MSM in America leads Joe and Janey Lunchpail by the nose-ring, kinda like cows, only ...you know, ...dumber.

Still plenty of time until the election but the forces allied against the only decent candidate you have are formidable.

And Rob makes jokes about it from his gig as a member of the MIC.

So much FAIL.

So little time.

Empires die, Rob.

Be Well.

The only thing this speech really accomplished is that it appears to have put the media back where they started... knelt down right in front of him... lips at the ready...

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole


amen bro......you ARE THE MAN.....

and kliffered......there is no denying some of the things you mention need some work just like we tried to no avail thanks to the dems concerning SS.....
but again....if you want to talk about someone who values thier party over this country, you have to talk both sides and the thing is I dont believe ALL dems think of their party over country, just the far left wing kooks who are running it now.


GO ROCKETS>.....you passed the first BIG test...now today ....ST PADDYS......what a day to BEAT THE CELTICS..........of course all of you know whats coming at the end in case of a boston W.....you cant beat the irish on this day......
JUST LIKE OBAMA>...a built in excuse.....LOL

see when you talk like that ..i can have a civil discussion

jees

;)

Chair - so go ahead and diss me cause I am a brit, no probs, go ahead and diss me cause I do believe that America has a problem with race..., go fuck yourself.

Proof that the church site was re-vamped lies here as well... just click on this page's link to the BVS and you get the new "About" page with all the white faces... which got re-added in February.

uck Time magazine. They are hopeless Hillary shills

That certainly explains why they would write a glowing article about mccain...

dumbass...

so go ahead and diss me cause I am a brit, no probs, go ahead and diss me cause I do believe that America has a problem with race

Can I diss you for using "diss?"

Brits... canadians...

Don't you guys have your own governments?

"You say you're supposed to be nice to the Episcopalians and the Presbyterians and the Methodists and this, that, and the other thing. Nonsense. I don't have to be nice to the spirit of the Antichrist."
--Pat Robertson, The 700 Club, January 14, 1991

"Bush left his family's Episcopal Church to join his wife's United Methodist Church"

Why Does Pat Robertson Think Bush Is The Ant-Christ?

-Sarge

"there is no denying some of the things you mention need some work just like we tried to no avail thanks to the dems concerning SS....."

Once again, the illiterate who masquerades as a teacher posts his usual BS regarding Democrats.

First it was:

"of course with taxes back up over 50% because of dems in congress....."

Posted by bushlovertwo at
2007-11-15 11:02 AM
...and now, at a time when the Republicans held the majority in the House and Senate, and the Executive branch, and the majority of governor mansions... it was "the dems" to blame for "SS."

Hans

That certainly explains why they would write a glowing article about mccain...

dumbass...


** Deep sigh **

Spud keeps fergitting how totally clueless Rob actually is.

Don't know why. He reminds Spud with EVERY SINGLE POST.

Here's the deal, friendo

Hillary and Clinton are the two corporately pre-approved candidates this election cycle.

It's another one of those "heads we win, tails you lose" kinda deals from the perspective of those who control the status quo.

Time luffs themself some sHrillary and McLamoid cos if either of them get elected they've done their jobs.

That's the script.

Questions?

Be Well.

at a time when the Republicans held the majority in the House and Senate, and the Executive branch, and the majority of governor mansions... it was "the dems" to blame for "SS."

But then again aren't Dems blaming the GOP for lack of movement in Congress because they don't have enough votes to block GOP obstruction?

Democrats did kill the profoundly stupid idea Bush had to reform SS... that's just fact... hell they claim victory there themselves.

I don't think it was stupid to try to fix SS, I think it was stupid to try to fix SS so quickly after his election victory... he just won, but lobbed back an easy victory for the DNC... that was stupid...

Hillary and Clinton are the two corporately pre-approved candidates this election cycle.


I'm guessing you meant Hillary and McCain...

Then I would ask why, if McCain were the Corporately pre-approved candidate was he dead in the water just 6 months ago? He was damn near dead last in the polls and forced to take out life insurance policies just to get funding...

Odd if he had such corporate backing...

** Deep Sigh **

Dumbass...

This speech was all bull**** political mumbo jumbo trying to divert attention away from true racial healing and continuing on with the black myths of racism.

Obama is a member of a black supremacist church and has been for several years. Go to the churches website and read their mission statement yourself
www.tucc.org .
The press has essentially ignored this story because Obama is black and there is great misconception in America that only blacks can be allowed to define racism. Even on this board, just for mentioning such things the responses are to accuse the postesr of rascism rather ten try to formulate a real logical discussion.

I'm guessing you meant Hillary and McCain...

Obvious in context but Spud is still suprised you figured it out.

Then I would ask why, if McCain were the Corporately pre-approved candidate was he dead in the water just 6 months ago? He was damn near dead last in the polls and forced to take out life insurance policies just to get funding...

Actually, Rudy 9ui11iani was the other significant pre-approved corporate candidate on the right (along with Mittens). McCain was supposed to be an also-ran. Rudy is really more their style. The deal there was, whichever of them got the nom the others would back them. If Rudy had gotten the nod it woulda been McCain behind him at all those campaign stops smiling for the cameras. As it was, apparently American GOPhers weren't quite ready for a cross dressing thrice-married walking skull who couldn't stop saying 9/11 like it was a speech impediment or a guy who wore magical underwear so McCain ended up emerging from the pack. You can tell that cos of how fucking pissed shills like Coulter and Rush were when he became the nom.

Americans think the economy is the number one threat to America and have largely forgotten about Iraq. All three candidates are now neck and neck. They think McCain can hadle the war better than Barack or Hillary, apparently the average Am,erican is too stupid to figure out that one of the main reasons the economy is faltering as quickly as it is is the fact that the war in Iraq is like a giant toilet bowl that America flushes 12 Billion a month down. Money borrowed from the ChiComs who do NOT have America's long term best interests at heart. Even the UK. America's long term ally is saying on their MSM "Sell American currency and get into commodities or other safe havens"

A nation of folks who fail to connect the dots will never see the bigger picture.

But never mind that now ...American Idol is on!

Dumbass.

Be Well.

Here Is A Great Church:

TPMtv: McCain Can't Quit John Hagee

www.youtube.com

-Sarge

so McCain ended up emerging from the pack

Mitt Romney, Huckabee, Fred Thompson... all along with Giuliani were polling better then the "Corporate preapproved," according to you, John McCain...

Keep spinning Douchepud... you fucked up... its your turn for the gotcha posts... you can save yourself the embarassment and just bail if you want... I won't laugh any harder then I'm laughing at you now...

But never mind that now ...American Idol is on!

Be Well.


Posted by dethspud at


The fact that you know that... puts you in the "Yes" column for my poll as well...

Obama is a member of a black supremacist church and has been for several years. Go to the churches website and read their mission statement yourself www.tucc.org

~Alwayswhite

That is just so much racist bullshit it's fucking pathetic.

Spud read the mission statement, read it month and months ago. Nowhere does it say that they are either a black supremist or even a black seperatist organisation. That's pure bullshit from neanderfuck retards like yerselk who are coming in yer pants with the thought that it's cool to describe people who fight racism as being racists for that very reason and yes, that does make you either a racist yourself or a fucking moron.

Most likely both if yer posts can be believed.

Be Well.


-That's the script.


That's so 8 years ago.

Wall Street figured out the Rethugs were in disarray early on in this election cycle and placed the smart money with Clinton.

They know, as you apparently do not, that she will work for true universal health care and sign legislation for public financing of elections,
but they were resigned to a Clinton administration anyway.

Wall Street gave about 100 million to Clinton in legal donations, and about 100 million to Obama in legal, but borderline bundled donations, you know, where the check is not under the corporate logo, but gathered by bosses and workers and fairly open ended as to how much can be donated if the original check writer never actually touches the donation again.

But Hillary is more liberal than Bill, and tougher, too. And the same people who brought us 22 million new jobs, a budget surplus, and relative peace work for her.

Their assistants work for Obama.


John Hagee Creatively Interprets the U.S. Great Seal

www.youtube.com

What A Great Preacher !!

-Sarge

Wow, that really was a good speech. He covered all that needed to be covered. Some questions remain, but just when you think you can count him out he pulls out this.

I've really missed this kind of politician. Someone who can really communicate with the people, get people excited and motivated like Kennedy did.

I had the pleasure of listening to a Kennedy speech just the other day, while watching in the shadow of the moon
www.imdb.com . It was the one when Kennedy was speaking about how we were going to get to the moon withing the decade.
www.youtube.com man that really gets me. That kind of man can make the country believe it can do great things, and then do them!

that does make you either a racist

If Spud goes 5 minutes without calling someone a racist or a nazi, or a racist nazi he starts to get the shakes...

"Their assistants work for Obama."

Well yes, this is sort of a "changing of the guard" sort of thing. Can't remember when, in a crisis, I want the oldest possible person to be in charge. I want the imagination, creativity and drive that a younger person can provide, I want the new perspective of a new generation to fix the errors of the previous one. Yes, Obama's crew is probably younger and smarter and will prove to be just what we need if the effectiveness of their campaign is an indicator when you consider Hilary had a fifteen point lead, Obama can raise more money and is the popular favorite. His crew must be pretty damn good even if they are the "assistants."

My Bad, it was this part of the speech
www.youtube.com

Exactly Danni, how does it feel to be losing to your old assistants? What does that say about you?

It seems like the grasshopper is teaching the 'master'

John Hagee Jesus NOT Messiah

www.youtube.com

What The Fuck? Is He A Preacher You All Love

Why Do People Stay In Hagee's Church When He Teaches Jesus Is Not The Messiah ?

-Sarge

"It seems like the grasshopper is teaching the 'master'"

I think 'master' demonstrate he/she know not what to do. Time for grasshopper to chirp. Obama chirp very good.

Which Obama is it!!

ABC News April 11,2007 by Jake Tapper

Obama: Fire Imus

"I understand MSNBC has suspended Mr. Imus," Obama told
ABC News, "but I would also say that there's nobody on my
staff who would still be working for me if they made a comment like that about anybody of any ethnic group."
"And I would hope that NBC ends up having the same attitude."

Obama said he appeared once on Imus's show two years ago, and "I have no intentions of retuning."

I am pretty sure Kris meant something with that post.

Newsweek is reporting Obama wrote the speech himself.

www.newsweek.com

"Proof that the church site was re-vamped lies here as well... just click on this page's link to the BVS and you get the new "About" page with all the white faces... which got re-added in February.

Posted by Farmer_John"

Hang it up Farmer. You posted a BS story that was shown to be false and then you kept insisting it was true despite being shown the evidence that it was not. Then you tried to tap dance and parse your way out of it.

The ONLY thing that has changed on their website over the past several months is that they added a video clip by the Rev. Dr. Jane Fisler Hoffman, UCC Conference Minister for Northern Illinois who oversees 287 churches, including Trinity.

Everything else, whether you like it or not, is exactly where it always was, for anyone to see.

Grow up dude.


I am pretty sure Kris meant something with that post.

Posted by danni


Well I don't want to speak for him but for me it was obviously exposing a very hypocritical stance that Obama took back in 2007 when he condemned Imus even though he knew all about the things Rev. Wright had said...

and it seems pretty fucked up...

Oh, and also a message from Rev. John Thompson, the General Minister and President of the denomination.

Deathspud,

Thank you for proving my point.

"That is just so much racist bullshit it's fucking pathetic."


No white candidate would receive a pass from the press if they attended any organization with similar views, example: "We are a congregation which is Unashamedly [White]", "and remain "true to our native land [white europe]," the mother continent, the cradle of civilization."

Again you subscribe to the misconception that racism can only be defined by black people. And rather than forming a logical argument you attack me as racist and believe that is a logical response. Again read from the church itself, don't take my word for it.
www.tucc.org

As the wingnut chorus predictably disses Obama's eloquent speech, it's important to remember how completely ridiculous and manufactured this whole Wright "controversy" is:

...the idea that America deserves terrorist attacks and other horrendous disasters has long been a frequently expressed view among the faction of white evangelical ministers to whom the Republican Party is most inextricably linked. Neither Jerry Falwell nor Pat Robertson ever retracted or denounced their view that America provoked the 9/11 attacks by doing things to anger God. John Hagee continues to believe that the City of New Orleans got what it deserved when Katrina drowned its residents and devastated the lives of thousands of Americans. And James Inhofe -- who happens to still be a Republican U.S. Senator -- blamed America for the 9/11 attacks by arguing in a 2002 Senate floor speech that "the spiritual door was opened for an attack against the United States of America" because we pressured Israel to give away parts of the West Bank. The phrases "anti-American" and "America-haters" are among the most barren and manipulative in our entire political lexicon, but whatever they happen to mean on any given day, they easily encompass people who believe that the U.S. deserved the 9/11 attacks, devastating hurricanes and the like. Yet when are people like Falwell, Robertson, Hagee, Inhofe and other white Christian radicals ever described as anti-American or America-hating extremists? Never -- because white Christian evangelicals who tie themselves to the political Right are intrinsically patriotic.

Well, yeah. Duh.

By all accounts, George Bush had private conversations with Pat Robertson about matters as weighty as whether to invade Iraq. Isn't that a big scandal -- that the President is consulting with an American-hating minister -- someone who believes God allowed the 9/11 attacks as punishment for our evil country -- about vital foreign policy decisions? No, it wasn't controversial at all.

John Hagee privately visits with the highest level Middle East officials in the White House and afterwards pronounces that they're in agreement. John McCain shares a stage with Hagee and lavishes him with praise, as Rudy Giuliani did with Pat Robertson. James Inhofe remains a member in good standing in the GOP Senate Caucus. The Republican Party has tied itself at the hip to a whole slew of "anti-American extremists" -- people who believe that the U.S. provoked the 9/11 attacks because God wants to punish us for the evil, wicked nation we've become -- and yet there is virtual silence about these associations.

Once again, it's important to keep making the point that when you've built an entire political movement on the backs of a crazy mob of Dixiecrat Savonarolas who make outrageous hateful comments pretty much every day, you've sort of opted-out of your ability to throw stones."


firedoglake.com

Shrillary takes some of the most nutty things that Rev. Wright sed in his 20 years as a Pastor of Trinity and feeds those sound bytes to the MSM and tries to pretend that that's all he's sed and done in his 20 years as Pastor and the racists come crawling out of the woodwork to revel in their own racism by calling Wright a racist and by extension Obama.

To Spud the racist comments by the shitheels on this thread just prove Rev. Wright right.

Be Well.

Deathspud,

Thank you for proving my point.


No, AlwaysWhite&Right&Tight thank YOU for proving Spud's point.

Be Well.

racists come crawling out of the woodwork to revel in their own racism by calling Wright a racist

LMAO...

Douchepud, the r, a, c, i, s & t keys on your keyboard have to be replaced weekly don't they?

What a tool...

If God told George to invade Iraq and Barack Obama opposed it then .... OMG!!! Barack Obama hates God!!

Newsweek is reporting Obama wrote the speech himself.

Damn straight he did.

Not only is he a great speaker but he's also an excellent writer which is more than Shrillary can say about her speeches or her two ghost written books.

Still, it puts her a cut above McLame who has to have his stuff read to him.

Slowly.

Be Well.


He [Wright] noted that we killed far more people, far more innocent civilians in Hiroshima and Nagasaki than were killed on 9/11 and "never batted an eye." That this statement is true is inarguable, at least amongst sane people. He is correct on the math, he is correct on the innocence of the dead (neither city was a military target), and he is most definitely correct on the lack of remorse or even self-doubt about the act: sixty-plus years later most Americans still believe those attacks were justified, that they were needed to end the war and "save American lives."

But not only does such a calculus suggest that American lives are inherently worth more than the lives of Japanese civilians (or, one supposes, Vietnamese, Iraqi or Afghan civilians too), but it also ignores the long-declassified documents, and President Truman's own war diaries, all of which indicate clearly that Japan had already signaled its desire to end the war, and that we knew they were going to surrender, even without the dropping of atomic weapons. The conclusion to which these truths then attest is simple, both in its basic veracity and it monstrousness: namely, that in those places we committed premeditated and deliberate mass murder, with no justification whatsoever; and yet for saying that I will receive more hate mail, more hostility, more dismissive and contemptuous responses than will those who suggest that no body count is too high when we're the ones doing the killing. Jeremiah Wright becomes a pariah, because, you see, we much prefer the logic of George Bush the First, who once said that as President he would "never apologize for the United States of America. I don't care what the facts are."

www.counterpunch.org

"Again read from the church itself, don't take my word for it."

www.tucc.org

3. A congregation actively seeking "RECONCILIATION".


reconciliation /rk'nslie'n/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[rek-uhn-sil-ee-
ey-shuhn] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
noun 1. an act of reconciling or the state of being reconciled.
2. the process of making consistent or compatible.


reconciliation

noun
1. the reestablishing of cordial relations
2. getting two things to correspond; "the reconciliation of his checkbook and the bank statement"

dictionary.reference.com

How Can You Be Bigoted When Your Mission Statement States :Actively Seeking "RECONCILIATION"

I Read Noting Anti-White At All; They Speak Of Unity and Reconciliation.

-Sarge

Mitt Romney, Huckabee, Fred Thompson... all along with Giuliani were polling better then the "Corporate preapproved," according to you, John McCain...

YOU FAIL!

Wow, you are SUCH a moron, Rob.

Actually, Rudy 9ui11iani was the other significant pre-approved corporate candidate on the right (along with Mittens). McCain was supposed to be an also-ran. Rudy is really more their style

Spud sed that Mitt and Rudy and McCain were the three corporately pre-approved candidates and you can't even read that far into one of Spud's posts?

Fred Thompson was just brought into the race to keep Huckabee from getting too competitive. Which is why he dropped out after the Carolina primary.

Rethugs love the money and votes that come from the extremist, racist, homophobic, war-mongering religious right but they aren't dumb enuff to let them too near real power.

Haven't you even figured that out yet?

Does Spud have to teach you EVERYTHING?

SHEESH!

Be Well.

Douchepud, the r, a, c, i, s & t keys on your keyboard have to be replaced weekly don't they?

What a tool...


Have you actually read ANY of this thread Rob?

It's all about race.

It's specifically about Shrillary applying her scorched earth policy to the Democratic party in her insane lust for personal power.

These Rev. Wright sound bytes have been playing over and over on FOX for months but it isn't until Hill digs up the ones she calculates will permanently paint Obama as THE BLACK CANDIDATE (something she has been attempting to do from the get go), and she feeds them to her pals over at the MSM so that the race baiting flame warriors come crawling out of the woodwork to declare that Rev Wright and by extension Obama are America hating racists while the extemist racist of the religious right get yet another pass for their far more egregious behaviours and sound bytes.

This whole thing is a massive made up "controversy". It's the MSMs attmept to give Obama his "Dean Scream" moment because he's the populist candidate who isn't totally bought and sold like Hillary and McCain. If they both get the Noms then it doesn't really matter who you vote for in November cos the fix is in and America will lose for another 4 years. Tricky part is America can't afford another four years of being led by a corporately corrupted meat puppet.

Trouble is also that most Americans are so propagandised and dumbed down that they are falling for this cheap trick like the simple minded children they mostly are.

Be Well.

Sarge,

I want reconciliation too, yet you consider me a bigot for mentioning that promoting black supremacy and racism will not lead to reconciliation.

Please explain how this statement is all inclusive and not racist- "We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black"

Or how this statement is not ethno-supremest?- "We are an African people, and remain "true to our native land," the mother continent, the cradle of civilization."

So rather than calling me a bigot or racist perhaps you may be able to articulate a real discussion about what Obama's church and Obabma believes?

This does not sound like a church atended by a "uniter". Actions do speak louder than words.

"I saw them, and read them... its the typical"

Okay...you don't get the Biblical references; that's okay. But realize you're taking the words themselves out of context if you don't get the Biblical references.

Trouble is also that most Americans are so propagandised and dumbed down that they are falling for this cheap trick like the simple minded children they mostly are.
per Spud--

That is exactly the trouble with Obama..he is selling a pint of liquor and calling it the medicine to cure all the ails of America.


I watched the speech and then read it--there is no doubt this guy is an Orator extroidinaire. It was eloquent, in a rythem (except for reading the tele prompter). And he was great at the start--I like history accounts of our country's history. And yes this country has had it's problems and we can do better. It is expected from each generation to do better than the last.

I believe Obama when he won't dropkick the pastor for the reasons he gave--the man was his mentor and inspiration and helped him find Christ. He was a father figure that Obama never had growing up. That is powerful for anyone.

And here are the facts--

Anybody think that Rev. Wright is not a foul-mouthed vulgar person?

I want reconciliation too, yet you consider me a bigot for mentioning that promoting black supremacy and racism will not lead to reconciliation.

Okay maybe yer not a racist. Maybe just a moron.

Please explain how this statement is all inclusive and not racist- "We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black"

You fergot "and Unashamedly Christian"

Now you explain how not being ashamed of being black is promoting Black Supremacism.

How is that in any way shape or form racist?

Do you have even the first glimpsde of understanding into the societal forces that shaped these Black churches into wot they are today?

Is not being ashamed of being Christian a form of Christian supremacism?

...In yer addled mind?

If they sed they were ashamedly black then they would be self loathing blacks and possibly anti black like the Klan.

Would you like that, AlwaysWrong?

Or how this statement is not ethno-supremest?- "We are an African people, and remain "true to our native land," the mother continent, the cradle of civilization.

How is that "supremist"? Do you even know wot that word means?

By being true to their African roots it just means that as part of their whole Social Justice theology they are commited to helping out poor black folks in Africa. If a white church commits itself to helping out Africans (which many of them do) does that make them racists in your opinion? Admit it, you haven't really thought this one out, have you?

Where are you getting the word "Supreme" from?

Diana Ross? The Court?

So rather than calling me a bigot or racist perhaps you may be able to articulate a real discussion about what Obama's church and Obama believes?

That's wot Spud is trying to do but so far you've FAILed to answer even one question. You just repeat yourself, do not address counter arguments and then act like you've made a point. Do you know wot honest debate even is? Cos so far you've evinced no real understanding at all.

This does not sound like a church atended by a "uniter". Actions do speak louder than words

How so?

What actions?

Try and answer just one of Spud's questions honestly.

Just try.

This whole "controversy" is bullshit.

Be Well.

Anybody think that Rev. Wright is not a foul-mouthed vulgar person?

Spud doesn't.

Spud thinks Johnson is a racist bitch however.

Does that help?

Rev Wright's theory on the origin of AIDS is out there but after the Tuskeegee Airmen illegal syphilis medical experiments you can see why he might think that.

Can't you?

The CIA's torture and LSD experiments in brain washing?

Rev Wright's Church is anti-racist. Most BLack liberation theology churches are.

Most evDEVILical churches on teh other hand are the official home of hate and insanity and homphobia and facism.

Spud would much rather attend one of Reverend Wrights sermons than one by Pat Robertson or Jerry Foulsmell or Robert Hagee or Jimmy Swaggert or Ted Haggert or Ted Parsley or Benny Hinn or Creflo Dollar or... well you get Spud's point, hopefully.

Be Well.

Have you heard the 37 minute Obama speech on race, pinche?

Go listen to it, then comment. Please?

Hey Obama, you dumped 0n your grandma for being skittish about black men on the street.

How about Rev. Jackson being skittish when passing a group of black men on the street? Are you going to dump on Jesse too? Or do you just specialize on dumping on white folk, even your grandma, whom you say gave you so much love and care.

Too much of the Rev. Wright vitriol there, Obama.

But hey, grandma is white, and so is an eligible target.

Remember when you dumped on Imus for his remarks. Well I agreed with your point of view. But somehow, you exonerate Rev. Wright from responsibility for far more egregious statements.

It used to be. If you white, you alright.
If you brown, stick aroun'.
If you black, step back.

But now we have the Obama version.

If you black, you homey from the hood.
If you brown, you still good.
If you white, stay out of sight.

Whitey, you got a lot to answer for. And you be answering to me.

Absolutely Barack, different strokes and standards for different folks.

What you're trying to do is justify black racism. It doesn't wash with most of us.

If it's "a new era," then black racism is to be as soundly condemned as white racism. But you are tolerant of black racism, Barack.

"Anybody think that Rev. Wright is not a foul-mouthed vulgar person?"

Johnson, are you familiar with the passages of Jeremiah to which Wright was referring?

www.crooksandliars.com

Here's the actual speech, if anyone has the stones to actually listen before mocking it.

It might require thought and work, so obviously some of us here exclude themselves...

Obama loves his pastor but rejects his politics.

They are one in the same and unfortunately Obama does not have the judgment to realize that important fact.

He equates his pastor's anti Americanism and hateful remarks with the rest of us disagreeing with our pastor priest or rabbi.

It is not the same--not even close...Disagreeing with my preacher on the interpretation on the Bible verse is way different than saying whites injected AIDS to the kill blacks.

Thankfully we are learning that most black churches do not preach this slander and bigotry in America. They are few and far between.

Obama threw his grandmother under the bus for his hateful preacher. He equates something that made him cringe that his GM said--but he never cringed about anything the pastor said? Is that really true?

The pastor equates Hiroshima with AQ and then the US. I guess everyone here hates Truman now.

At least he admitted he heard the hate in the pew--which he lied about before. That's because there is evidence out there he was there. The tapes speak for themselves. He was gyrating talking about Bill Clinton doing the black community like he was doing the dirty with Monica Lewinsky.

If this was a white guy he would be drummed off the pulpit for preaching blacks are evil and GD blacks and blacks are the scorge of the country--and if a candidate was attending that sort of church--for say the last 20 years--they would be drummed out of the race.

There is no reconciliation to Obama as he gave a pass to the pastor for the last 20 years knowing this hateful dribble and did nothing to change the one thing he wants to change in this country. He did nothing with his beloved pastor.

That's because Obama is sincere and likely believes and accepts the statements of Wright. Or give him a pass for the crazy uncle--who is more important than his GM.

Then Obama became partisan at the end of the speech and showed his uber liberal stripes for what they are--liberal and not understanding this economy or the country or the world.

If Obama makes it thru to the POTUS--guess who WILL BE his Farrakan minnie mee in the WH --right next to him? Wright hasn't apologized like so many of the Falwells and Robertsons have in the past when they say something really stupid.

Obama did not take responsibility for sticking with a Anti-American, disgusting, hateful, guy that Obama calls pastor.

Obama has no judgment--he should not be POTUS.

We cannot trust him as he has not the sintilla of sense to be POTUS. He can't change his pastor and all the rest is political expediency.

Great orator though--gotta' give him that.

Murphy




How about Rev. Jackson being skittish when passing a group of black men on the street? Are you going to dump on Jesse too? Or do you just specialize on dumping on white folk, even your grandma, whom you say gave you so much love and care.

He used that as an example of why he didn't stop associating with Wright as a friend. Pretty powerful idea, eh...when someone close to you does something wrong you don't just boot them out of your life completely.

I think most of us here have a relative we love that is quietly racist, but the adults among us don't let that overshadow the rest of the person.

The PC pukes do. And people like Johnson ARE that racist relative.

The Obama cleanup crew is working overtime. the Wikipedia article on Rev. Wrighmt has been cleaned up.

It previously stated in its head that Rev. Wright's church was well-known for its controversial views. Now that has been removed.

I wonder how a church so well-know for its distinctive views on race and America could have avoided the scrutiny of a 17 year member, who remained unaware of the tenor of the church.

So Obama was oblivious to the racist message of the church? Yet now, he justifies Rev. Wright's racism? So, he did know? Or he didn't. I suppose that depends on what "know" is. Yeah.

That is exactly the trouble with Obama..he is selling a pint of liquor and calling it the medicine to cure all the ills of America.

Wot does that mean exactly, Murphy?

It's Hillary and McCain who can't be trusted one inch. They are both owned lock, stock and barrel by the status quo and with either of them no real change is possible.

None.

Just more of the same, which America can't afford either financially or spititually.

I watched the speech and then read it--there is no doubt this guy is an Orator extrodinaire. It was eloquent, in a rhythm (except for reading the teleprompter). And he was great at the start--I like historical accounts of our country's history. And yes this country has had it's problems and we can do better. It is expected from each generation to do better than the last.

I believe Obama when he won't dropkick the pastor for the reasons he gave--the man was his mentor and inspiration and helped him find Christ. He was a father figure that Obama never had growing up. That is powerful for anyone.

Agreed.

Rev Wright not only brought Obama to Christ from an agnostic/athiestic household but he also married Barack and Michelle and baptised both their little girls. Spud woulda been very disapointed if Barack had tried to disown him completely. Barack is already on record as saying that he's not agreed with all of the Reverends words in the past but to expect Obama to deny him three times like Peter did to Christ would have shown him to be just another typical pol with an predisposition towards changing to suit prevailing political winds rather than holding onto his beliefs. So far despite all the outlandish claims that the Reverend, the Trinity church and Barack are all America hating, racists and black speratist/supremacists there has not been a single stick of evidence to back any of it up.

Are you ashamed to be white, Murphy?
Are you ashamed to be Christian?

Of course not.

Does that make you an America Hater or a racist or a seperatist or a white supremicist?

Of course not.

Wright hates America's sin not America.

So does Spud.

Hate the sin but love the sinner.

That's morality, Murphy.

To love America's sins without trying to do something about them is wrong.

That's immorality.

Other than the first part of yer post that I did not quite understand you really suprised me, Murph.

Your very Christian attitude is a pleasant suprise after all the race baiting and downright racist talk and illogic I've been putting up with on this thread today.

Be Well.

/Spud has never been prouder of Obama than he is of him today.
//Strewth

Who of you is gullible enough to believe that Obama was unaware of Rev. Wright's racism and anti-American message? Are any of you willing to admit to be that gullible? I suppose so.

After all, it is necessary for fanatic followers of anyone to create a reality that conforms to their delusion.

Spud: But never mind that now ...American Idol is on!

Mao: Which is, roughly, the intellectual equivalent of a Hussein Obama speech!

Yipee!

Dumbass.


If you ever have a single intellectually honest thing to say Mao then Spud is kick back and wait for you to say it.

The fact that Spud's been waiting years for you to make a single valid point is beside the fact.

Spud's all ears.

/And eyes.

Be Well.

Who of you is gullible enough to believe that Obama was unaware of Rev. Wright's racism and anti-American message?

Rev. Wright is neither racist nor anti American.

Johnson on the other hand is both.

Be Well.

Pennsylvania's primaries are not until mid-April. By then, enough time will have elapsed to have the matter of Obama's long-time connection with racial diviseness and racism and anti-Americanism, and hate-whitey, be a matter that will have been absorbed and settled by the voting public.

Posters on this board, who are on the lunatic left fringe, have come to defnd Obama and the racist hate-America preacher by declaring the observations he made are correct, and the hate he spouts justified. It's a "damn America" crowd here. We'll see how representative this group of posters is of the general American electorate.

Will Obama's defense of black racists and black racism, and hate-Americaism fly with normal Americans? We'll see.

..the idea that America deserves terrorist attacks and other horrendous disasters has long been a frequently expressed view among the faction of white evangelical ministers to whom the Republican Party is most inextricably linked.

I wish I was allowed to put that in 30 point type, it seems so obvious, yet..............

See, when God wants to punish America it's only because of what your side is doing, not mine.


Obama did not take responsibility for sticking with a Anti-American, disgusting, hateful, guy that Obama calls pastor.

Hating America's sins is not the equivilant of hating America, Murphy.

Not criticising America for it's sins is a sin in and of itself.

At least Rev. Wright addresses the real sins of America and doesn't try to put it all down to abortion and gays like the bigoted, hateful, homophobic, sexist, unAmerican evDEVILicals and Talibaptists do every Sunday.

Obama has no judgment--he should not be POTUS.

Obama has more and better judgement than Hillary and McCain combined by a huge factor.

We cannot trust him as he has not the scintilla of sense to be POTUS. He can't change his pastor and all the rest is political expediency.

Poor Murphy, she's so wrapped up in the sound bytes of hate that she's heard and repeats here. She listened to Obama speak and she caught the cadence but she never really heard him.

Spud knew he was expecting to much.

Who ya gonna vote for Murphy?

McCain? The philanderer, the whoremonger, the war monger, the liar, the gold digger, the angry, the crazy, the slow-witted, the alzenheimer case, the flip flopping PTSD case and economic idiot?

That guy?

Good luck with that in November.

Yer the right sex and age and color to be a Hillary gal.

Are you a Hillary Gal?

She's not as bad as McCain that's for sure but she's certainly not a good as Barack Obama.

Be Well.

Rev Wright's theory on the origin of AIDS is out there but after the Tuskeegee Airmen illegal syphilis medical experiments you can see why he might think that.

Can't you?

Spud--It is a lie--and the pastor puts that out there to the next generation to say it's the truth. He is lying and destructive and hateful. He has a bitter soul.

And a person can't pick their relative who is a racist SOB.

But everyone picks their pastor.

Spud--I do not have a Harvard degree--but it took me three months to leave a very destructive church after going there--I went on invite from my daughter's softball coach when the kids were very young. I tried going back to the Catholic church (that's another story).

3 months to leave after seeing one mother hit another child with a wooden spoon AFTER the mother gave permission to do it.

There are destructive churches out there and one have to be careful--look at Jim Jones for goodness sakes!

And I don't hate Obama and I really feel sorry for the pastor because he is stuck in the 50's and 60's and bitter and hateful and it eats at the soul of the person carrying the bitterness.

But if Obama never bothered to walk the walk and try to sit his pastor down and say "what you are preaching is wrong and is not reconciling any differences and not giving folks the real talk and stop the lies or the misconceptions--how is Obama going to do it for the country?

No doubt --there is the "hope" Obama will do something. But let's be realistic--he never bothered with with his mentor the pastor. So it is false "hope".

Obama's judgment is off cue and he did not take responsibility and just named another topic of concern that no one should talk about ever again.

Because Obama wants to talk to the country when he couldn't even talk to his pastor. It is a total disconnect.

It is Not going to work and the pastor is really scary--not just to whites but to blacks and the rest of the rainbow...

Murphy