A voter in Mississippi said it simply and directly: "You cannot treat your party members like they are your enemies." At least you can't if you have a modicum of grace and balance in your politics.

There is no grace nor balance in the Clinton campaign. Daily, America is bombarded with more and more vitriolic poison against her opponent in allegedly the same party and scant factual reasons for voting to support Senator Clinton other than warped prognostications and dubious poll readings, now using geography as just another wedge to separate us even further than we already are.

Sometimes the tasks ahead look hopeless in trying to put back together that which the Clintonites are insidiously attempting to destroy. At other times it appears as nothing more than a passing storm, blowing itself out in a highly energetic manner.

Hopefully these words will prove prescient:

Hillary's caustic, unpalatable tactics, I'm convinced, will turn people off over time and backfire on her. I'm not starry-eyed in saying this. I believe, at this time in history, people are desperately looking for an upgraded political process, a change in tone that will foster civil dialogue and produce legislative results.

This is what we are left with. The shame is it should have been so very much more.

You can't prove this! You don't have one Chinchilla of evidence!

chinchilla of evidence?

bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
ahahaha!

hey, i'm a part of the vrc and i'm going to take this seriously.

This is the reason Hillary won't win.Everyone sees through the dishonesty. At the beginning it was two against one, Bill and HIllary. I said it before and I will say it again people don't like an unfair fight nor a dirty fighter. Wanting to be president doesn't make you presidential material and that is why the Republitards are doing everything they can to help nominate Hillary from coaxing cross voting where they can and hosting Bill Clinton on Rush Limbaugh last week. Whod a thunk it?

Hillary is a sunt.

That's with a chinchilla...I mean cedilla.

You can't possibly say enough bad things about Hillary. The list is encyclopedic. It no longer matters. The black racist asshole Jerimiah Wright just swift boated Obama. This is a sad day, I loved Obama. Now I have to route for McCain.

"This is a sad day, I loved Obama. Now I have to route for McCain."

You're a lying sack of shit.

Politicak eulogy, Barrack Obama

Here lies the most articulate and clean politician of his generation. His demise was caused by two people: a father who abandoned him when he was two and a racist Malcom X wanabee preacher who dragged him down. Brother, we will miss you.

R.I.P.

The black racist asshole Jerimiah Wright just swift boated Obama.

He smeared Obama with lies about past events?

Just the fact that you used "swift boated" that way shows you're a right-wing hack.

Amen

Death to the VRWC!

Just the fact that you used "swift boated" that way shows you're a right-wing hack.
Posted by argh


Argh? What kind of name is that? Caveman? You jumped to the above conclusion by some means of thinking I am forced to presume. But before you try something that difficult, first finish the whole crude stone implements deal and that neat trick where you poke a stick into a hole in a tree stump and wait for ants to crawl all over it so you can eat them.

The improper use of a term such as "swift boated" doesn't prove dick as far as the user's political leaning is concerned.

I support this post

and BWAHHHAHA at that chincilla of evidence link..lmao

The most fun is watching lefty Clinton apologistas slowly see the scales fall from their eyes.

For 15 years you've been excusing the nasty behavior of these dirty little people. Painting them as the victims. Hoping and praying (well, you know) that they would return to power and restore some fantasy memory you long for.

Meanwhile, anybody who called the Clintons for what they are has been attacked as partisan, hate-filled, even jealous.

Now even you losers have to admit how deeply wrong you are, and how easily you were sucked into their sleazy charm.

Welcome back to reality.

I was touting Obama way back in 2002. C0-workers had no idea who I kept talking to them about but now they do. Although I was a big Obama fan then, and new that he would be president someday, I did not think it would be right now. So...I supported Hillary, thinking she was the better person for the job. She may still be but this article was right. It is beyond me why she is behaving as she is. Visible desperation on her part. A person's who wants to be president as badly as she does should not be allowed. And, she has caused embarrassing damage to the party. If she gets the nod I, and many other independents and progressives, will vote for McCain.

Soory Hillary, but my attractionn for you left when I saw how you treated your mother. That's something I said to a woman I was dated. I could not deal with her as she treated her senior mther like crap. Hillary reminds me of her.

The most fun is watching lefty Clinton apologistas slowly see the scales fall from their eyes.

I have not been shy in admitting that the Clintons are not what they've seemed to be. I posted another thread yesterday recounting just how poisonous their ascendency has been to the Democratic Party, but yet the members seem not to notice. When Bill was elected in 1992, the Democrats held a 100 seat advantage in the House. In two short years, the GOP took control of both houses, not to relinquish them until 2006.

For everything positive the Clintons have had to offer, there has been equally negative repercussions tied to their personal political ambitions. Its time for Democrats to set them free.

The most fun is watching lefty Clinton apologistas slowly see the scales fall from their eyes. For 15 years you've been excusing the nasty behavior of these dirty little people. Painting them as the victims. Hoping and praying (well, you know) that they would return to power and restore some fantasy memory you long for.

This is a fantasy, Vernon. Most Democrats who supported the Clintons through thick and think from 1992-2000 did not carry a torch for them since then. They went to Gore, then Kerry and now are deciding between Hillary Clinton and Obama.

Some of them are speaking more harshly now of the Clintons and vindicating the rabid right. But that's a small number, and I suspect it will get smaller if Clinton's the name on the Democratic line in November.

TR ... the republicans ran on corruption and obstruction in 1992

The republican takeover in the 1994 election had more to do with the perception of corruption/scandal over the dems. 40 year majority rule. The reps. campaigned among other things on House Banking Scandal and the Congressional Post Office Scandal big time.

" The abuse of the "bank" ran from simple overdrafts to felonies. In the end, one Republican, four Democrats, the Dem Delegate from DC, and the House Sergeant At Arms were all convicted or pled guilty to charges stemming from this scandal."

Dan Rostenkowski (D-ILa product of the Cook County political machine, was chairman of Ways and Means at the time. He was convicted and sentenced to 18 months for laundering money through the post office.

"The GOP leadership, led by then Minority Whip Newt the Gingrich, was outraged at how then-Speaker Tom Foley (D-WA) was sitting on the accusations and reports alleging wrongdoing by Rostenkowski." And don't forget the hell raised about Foley's book deal.

"1992, Gingrich began to seriously push the notion of term limits ... a concept vehemently opposed by Foley and the Democrats. Term limits became one of the highlights of "The Contract for America," a series of pledges and promises Republicans running for Congress in 1994 signed and promoted."

Taken together the above along with the republican's masterful use of all the media and the dems. arrogance in response/non response had more to do with the loss than what Clinton did in his first 22 months in office.

MMike...

Do not discount what Hillary's failed healthcare effort did to the Democrats. When she started, a majority of Americans favored a single-payer system. When she got done, we've got an even more lucrative system for the drug companies and for-profit healthcare concerns and a growing disparity in access for those at the lowest rungs of our society.

The corruption played a part, but the early Clinton problems didn't help the situation at all either.

that's a small number, and I suspect it will get smaller if Clinton's the name on the Democratic line in November.

And so too the appeal the Dems have among the Independents. I honestly don't see how anyone can vote for another two for one Presidency.

TR ... Healthcare, gays in the military, economic stimulus plan were all used as fodder in the 1994 campaign but the overriding themes were corruption, obstruction and scandal in both houses of congress.

REMEMBER THIS ... masterful political move
REPUBLICAN CONTRACT WITH AMERICA
This year's election offers the chance, after four decades of one-party control, to bring to the House a new majority that will transform the way Congress works. That historic change would be the end of government that is too big, too intrusive, and too easy with the public's money. It can be the beginning of a Congress that respects the values and shares the faith of the American family.
Like Lincoln, our first Republican president, we intend to act "with firmness in the right, as God gives us to see the right." To restore accountability to Congress. To end its cycle of scandal and disgrace. To make us all proud again of the way free people govern themselves.
On the first day of the 104th Congress, the new Republican majority will immediately pass the following major reforms, aimed at restoring the faith and trust of the American people in their government:
FIRST, require all laws that apply to the rest of the country also apply equally to the Congress;
SECOND, select a major, independent auditing firm to conduct a comprehensive audit of Congress for waste, fraud or abuse;
THIRD, cut the number of House committees, and cut committee staff by one-third;
FOURTH, limit the terms of all committee chairs;
FIFTH, ban the casting of proxy votes in committee;
SIXTH, require committee meetings to be open to the public;
SEVENTH, require a three-fifths majority vote to pass a tax increase;
EIGHTH, guarantee an honest accounting of our Federal Budget by implementing zero base-line budgeting.

And this ...

Thereafter, within the first 100 days of the 104th Congress, we shall bring to the House Floor the following bills, each to be given full and open debate, each to be given a clear and fair vote and each to be immediately available this day for public inspection and scrutiny.
1. THE FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY ACT: A balanced budget/tax limitation amendment and a legislative line-item veto to restore fiscal responsibility to an out- of-control Congress, requiring them to live under the same budget constraints as families and businesses. (Bill Text) (Description)
2. THE TAKING BACK OUR STREETS ACT: An anti-crime package including stronger truth-in- sentencing, "good faith" exclusionary rule exemptions, effective death penalty provisions, and cuts in social spending from this summer's "crime" bill to fund prison construction and additional law enforcement to keep people secure in their neighborhoods and kids safe in their schools. (Bill Text) (Description)
3. THE PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY ACT: Discourage illegitimacy and teen pregnancy by prohibiting welfare to minor mothers and denying increased AFDC for additional children while on welfare, cut spending for welfare programs, and enact a tough two-years-and-out provision with work requirements to promote individual responsibility. (Bill Text) (Description)
4. THE FAMILY REINFORCEMENT ACT: Child support enforcement, tax incentives for adoption, strengthening rights of parents in their children's education, stronger child pornography laws, and an elderly dependent care tax credit to reinforce the central role of families in American society. (Bill Text) (Description)
5. THE AMERICAN DREAM RESTORATION ACT: A S500 per child tax credit, begin repeal of the marriage tax penalty, and creation of American Dream Savings Accounts to provide middle class tax relief. (Bill Text) (Description)
6. THE NATIONAL SECURITY RESTORATION ACT: No U.S. troops under U.N. command and restoration of the essential parts of our national security funding to strengthen our national defense and maintain our credibility around the world. (Bill Text) (Description)
7. THE SENIOR CITIZENS FAIRNESS ACT: Raise the Social Security earnings limit which currently forces seniors out of the work force, repeal the 1993 tax hikes on Social Security benefits and provide tax incentives for private long-term care insurance to let Older Americans keep more of what they have earned over the years. (Bill Text) (Description)
8. THE JOB CREATION AND WAGE ENHANCEMENT ACT: Small business incentives, capital gains cut and indexation, neutral cost recovery, risk assessment/cost-benefit analysis, strengthening the Regulatory Flexibility Act and unfunded mandate reform to create jobs and raise worker wages. (Bill Text) (Description)
9. THE COMMON SENSE LEGAL REFORM ACT: "Loser pays" laws, reasonable limits on punitive damages and reform of product liability laws to stem the endless tide of litigation. (Bill Text) (Description)
10. THE CITIZEN LEGISLATURE ACT: A first-ever vote on term limits to replace career politicians with citizen legislators. (Description)
Further, we will instruct the House Budget Committee to report to the floor and we will work to enact additional budget savings, beyond the budget cuts specifically included in the legislation described above, to ensure that the Federal budget deficit will be less than it would have been without the enactment of these bills.
Respecting the judgment of our fellow citizens as we seek their mandate for reform, we hereby pledge our names to this Contract with America.

Geraldine Ferraro's (or anybody else's for that matter) remarks that Obama is only a major player in the Presidential election this year because of his race are neither stupid, vicious nor racist. It's not that hard to see the truth in her observations when you look at the voting trends and exit polls being reported in the media on a daily basis. Thing is the same is true for Hillary (women and daydreamers nostalgic for the romanticized Clinton years) and McCain (formerly intermittently decent legislator and improbable "Great White Hope of 2008").

We really need a 3rd party messiah to save us from all these clowns running for President in 2008 who will only destroy what is left of the great legacy of America our forefathers bestowed upon us.

Geraldine Ferraro's (or anybody else's for that matter) remarks that Obama is only a major player in the Presidential election this year because of his race are neither stupid, vicious nor racist

Disagree.

The "Only" part is the stupid, racist and vicious part of that equation.

Obama is the leading candidate because he is young and that alone suggest flexibility and a different approach from business as usual.

He is bright, a much needed change from Dumbya.

He is a brilliant public speaker, again a nice change.

He is also a policy wonk, which will be required by anybody attempting to steer the ship of state away from the rocks of ruin that BushCo have sailed directly towards.

He is also black.

In terms of getting the black vote that has certainly helped. That is undeniable. What is also undeniable is that the has earned that black vote by use of his persuasive oratory and hopeful message as well as the color of his skin.

Remember that Hillary originally had a higher percentage of the Black vote than Obama.

He earned those votes.

To suggest that his being black is a matter of luck as Ferraro has done is assinine.

We have seen here at the DR and elesewhere in blogworld as well as the MSM that residual racism against blacks is still, unfortunately, a part of the American landscape.

His being black both helps and hurts him, just as Hillary being a woman who's husband was a former POTUS both helps and hurts her.

McCain is a militaty legacy brat who ditched his first wife in order to marry an heiress he was cheating on her with, who's daddy ponied up the dough for his first political campaign.

All of that has helped him enormously to date and hopefully as the facts come out it will be part of what sinks his chances, along with his age, his temper and his encrouching madness.

Spud been calling ofr a third political party in the United States for quite some time. You'll note that they never make a chair with only two legs and the reason for that is stability.

The two party system as it exists today has become like a trick coin, because corporate lobbyists buy off officials on both sides of the aisle.

It's head they win and tails you lose.

Do. Not. Want.

That sed, it's a little too late in the day to look around ofr a viable third party candidate this time around. Nader is in the running and Spud imagines that he'll draw protest votes away from the Dems like last time only hopefully with lesser numbers. Bloomberg is a pipedream and if elected would prolly only serve the status quo leaving you right back where you started.

Be Well.

If he were white I think he'd have a harder time garnering the black vote, which you accurately mentioned had been in Hillary's camp. The black vote has greatly helped him in certain states.

I agree with most of your post, but this point isn't supported by the facts. Everyone knows that blacks tend to vote for Democrats, so why is it such a surprise that Obama plays so strongly?

In LA, Obama's % of the black vote was LESS than that of John Kerry's in the 2004 Presidential election. Just over 2 months ago, Hillary was leading Obama for black support by 57%-33%, so I get tired of the fact that Obama WON the support of blacks being ignored when the entire narrative just scant weeks ago was "Is he black enough?"

Obama's support is earned, while much of Hillary's is legacy and name recognition.

Tony - Pelosi - back page = big news.

I believe, at this time in history, people are desperately looking for an upgraded political process, a change in tone that will foster civil dialogue and produce legislative results.

I believe Tony just came off the boat.

I sure wouldn't feel too good about guys like Wright and Farrikhan in Obama's corner.

So if the Aryan Brotherhood endorses McCain you'd feel the same way?

Ray needs to go to an Obama event and watch the legions of people signing up to make the changes that he talks about. I just came back from one and I couldn't be more impressed with the diversity, the energy, but most of all the sense of community one normally finds only in church. But I don't know of too many churches as diverse as the Obama crowds.

Hey, its not a new way of doing things, its just the combination of many working together on mutual ideals.

Its too bad those who are cynical can't buy into the energy of youth and change. We all once had it, but we didn't have anyone directing it for the common good like Obama is trying.

Obama is now getting the Dr. Ron Paul treatment...

I seriously doubt that McCain has been attending Aryan Brotherhood meetings.

"As far as I know"

^_^

Be Well.

I seriously doubt that McCain has been attending Aryan Brotherhood meetings.

Maybe not, but Obama was grilled on Farrakan's "endorsement" despite never being a member of the Nation of Islam.

And you can't tell me that some evangelicals don't see blacks as damned or at least tainted in the eyes of God.

A bit dated but if you want to understand racism and how it can poison a person's attitude then you'll want to read the essay "Notes of Native Son" by James Baldwin.

Of course he was black AND gay so you are forewarned: It might contaminate your thinking.

This is a fantasy, Vernon. Most Democrats who supported the Clintons through thick and think from 1992-2000 did not carry a torch for them since then.

Posted by rcade at 2008-03-15 11:49 AM | Reply

Perhaps, but if so then a very VOCAL minority has been nothing short of sycophantic. Certainly on the Lefty forums there are people who talk about a "glorious" third term for the Clintons, as though Bill and Hillary! were really the same person.

And certainly Hillary! herself thought so. That's why she put her husband out to stump for her, implying that it would be *wink* Clinton Chapter III.

And it's still fun to watch the painful squirming as these people come to realize what sleaze the Clintons have always been.

America is ready for change. Obama talks the good game on change... he's black, so guilty white folks can feel good about voting for him and, of course, blacks flock to one of their own.

~OohRah.

Much has been made of so called "residual white liberal guilt" towards blacks but mostly by rightwingnuts like Mao or Tadowe so Spud feels pretty confident in stating that it's an overstatement at best and an out and out myth distributed and perpetuated by RW thinktanks at worst.

In terms of blacks flocking to one of their own. That isn't neccessarily the case either although to say now he has the black Dem vote locked up is pretty much undeniable. Spud believes that he wouldn't have the black vote if he was not only black but also capable and confident and the right man for the right time. The zeitgeist right now is such that a Barack Obama almost seems inevitable in hindsight.

Ferraro was ASKED to be on the Mondale ticket. He picked her in large part due to her sex - she is accurate in that. However, no one is ASKING Obama to be POTUS. He's not being "picked" for some spot on the team due to his color. He's had to earn people's support, as you correctly point out.

Geraldine Ferraro tried to earn respect and failed at a national level and that must still rankle and be, in large part, a reason why she is so strident, almost shrill, in her defense of Hillary and in her attacks on Obama.

He still has issues with allaying whites' concerns over this Rev White issue. He wouldn't get my vote to begin with, but if I were relatively undecided, I sure wouldn't feel too good about guys like Wright and Farrikhan in Obama's corner.

Spud doesn't really have a problem with Wright. He's a preacher in the black church tradition who freely mixes race, religion and politics into his free flowing speeches. White folks used to a more sedate moderate and bland chirch experience might have a hard time wrapping their heads around it. Quite frankly Spud is much more offended by the Talibaptist and evDEVILical elements in American religious society who've gone much further over the line in terms of preaching politics and hate from their pulpits.

FarraKHAAAAAAN? That guy?

Lois Farrakhan, on the other hand, is right bastard.

Fucker murdered X.

Do. Not. Want.

Be Well.

"Some of them are speaking more harshly now of the Clintons and vindicating the rabid right. But that's a small number, and I suspect it will get smaller if Clinton's the name on the Democratic line in November.'

I predict Obama wins the popular vote, and Bilary takes the superdelegates and the nomination. Obama supporters then riot!!!

A New,Corrupt U.S.President is a Sure Thing!!!

Its safe to say that all the fron runners in the 2008 Presidential Campaign are backed by wealthy "Evil Predators"!
The only "Sure Thing" for Americans is that one of them will become the next US President!!!

I predict Obama wins the popular vote, and Bilary takes the superdelegates and the nomination. Obama supporters then riot!!!

Posted by DavetheWave

ff...in Minneapolis?:>)

Wasn't that blatant political blasphemy to proclaim that McCain is more qualified to be president than Obama? It's a knife in the back that the Party won't be able to extract very easily if Obama becomes the eventual candidate.

lol, no party likes a bitter in-house debate. They will always like the attacks to be focused on the other party...But I did agree, with Senator Clinton, the media has been more rough on her than Obama.