Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs
Friday, March 14, 2008

Video of Rev. Jeremiah Wright, pastor and mentor to Barack Obama, has been posted. The Reverend defends his most famous constituent and attacks Hillary Clinton, saying, "Hillary ain't never been called a nigger."

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"Hillary ain't never been called a n****r."

Well, hey, that's appropriate.

At least this guy isn't a racist. You can tell that from his "sermon".

no, but i have equated her with the anti-christ and 12th mahdi...guilty...

Obama owns a reverend?

Holy crap.

Quite literally.

Oh yeah, just more right wing garbage.

Sincerely,

Hussein 726

"no, but i have equated her with the anti-christ and 12th mahdi...guilty..."

sunni muslims would call the 12th mahdi the anti christ as well :)

yes muslims do believe in christs return

Rev. (I hesitate to refer to him as a reverend) Wright is a dingbat. This is the reason I don't buy into organized religion; you may become associated with some real idiots. I think Obama has already referred to Wright as the "crazy uncle" type, but after a while wouldn't you as a parishoner finally say "enough is enough"?

Another observation: It seems like Wright is doing more to hurt Obama rather than help. I don't understand it.

both obama and hillary need to go to everyone around them and say

people, we can talk for ourselves

shut the f. up

Another thought: it really makes it tough for Obama to say this race isn't about race when a person associated with him keeps on interjecting race. I know the reverend is not Obama's mouthpiece and I know that Obama has distanced himself, but the media (Faux News especially) is just lapping this stuff up.

I can see where he's coming from, but yeah-keep it to yourself there, buddy.

This guy is a loon. I'm really surprised his church hasn't lost its tax exempt status.

This shit gets better every day. I'll bet McCain is enjoying watching both these campaigns.

I'm really surprised his church hasn't lost its tax exempt status.

Hopefully it does. Of course the IRS has to watch itself because if you go after this church and not Falwell or Robertson's church, then you look as though you are targeting democrats.

"I'm really surprised his church hasn't lost its tax exempt status."

I think Trinity is in trouble over just that. He's stepped over the line into politics too many times.

Did Falwell or Robertson actually say their stuff from the pulpit though?

Falwell did on numerous occasions and Robertson prayed for the death of a supreme court justice.

Pirate, here is a thread on Obama's church and its exemption status:

www.drudge.com

yes, klifferd - and my Yeshua will slay him with the sword from His mouth!

"Did Falwell or Robertson actually say their stuff from the pulpit though?"

Many times.

"Of course the IRS has to watch itself because if you go after this church and not Falwell or Robertson's church, then you look as though you are targeting democrats."

That's already happened. The IRS has launched an investigation against the United Church of Christ denomination because Obama addressed the annual General Synod meeting last year.

He addressed them not as a presidential candidate, but as a member of the denomination who talked about his own faith journey. Most experts seem to be baffled as to why this investigation has been initiated.

Here's the text of his speech in case you want to see what he actually said...

www.ucc.org

Note: there is a difference between the investigation of Trinity as a church, and the UCC as a denomination. They are 2 separate issues.


What's funny/ironic as hell is that here we have a real racist who can say what he pleases without being pilloried for it in the media, while a non-racist like Geraldine Ferraro takes heat for innocuous/stupid statements.


"Hillary ain't never been called a n****r."

Well, hey, that's appropriate.

At least this guy isn't a racist. You can tell that from his "sermon".



Posted by Corky

Let me help you out. A good comeback to this would have been:

"Yeah, but Obama hasn't been called a c**t by rightwingers."

"Yeah, but Obama hasn't been called a c**t by rightwingers."

... yet

He addressed them not as a presidential candidate, but as a member of the denomination who talked about his own faith journey.

----

In my opinion, you should even get behind the pulpit at all if you're a presidential candidate regardless of what you talk about it.

You are a presidential candidate all the time.

And Corky continues to give us no reason to vote for Hillary, just one slam on Obama after another.

The girl has an obsession of hate.

"In my opinion, you should even get behind the pulpit at all if you're a presidential candidate regardless of what you talk about it."

He wasn't in the pulpit - he was addressing a convention.

These two candidates will be so damaged by June 10th, date after which there can be no more primaries, that McCain must be jumping for joy. Considering how McCain has many factors going against him, the Dem's damaged candidates and party is a great thing for him.

100 more years, 100 more years!

ok...well, that's different.

A couple of weeks ago, I wrote about John McCain being "honored" to receive the endorsement of the pro-Apocalypse, pro-destruction-of-Israel preacher John Hagee, an endorsement which John McCain has refused to repudiate, even after the revelation of Hagee's bigoted and outright nutjob ideas. Now it turns out that Hagee isn't the only crazy religious bigot with whom John McCain wishes to be associated with:

On February 26, McCain appeared at a campaign rally in Cincinnati with the Reverend Rod Parsley of the World Harvest Church of Columbus, a supersize Pentecostal institution that features a 5,200-seat sanctuary, a television studio (where Parsley tapes a weekly show), and a 122,000-square-foot Ministry Activity Center. That day, a week before the Ohio primary, Parsley praised the Republican presidential front-runner as a "strong, true, consistent conservative." The endorsement was important for McCain, who at the time was trying to put an end to the lingering challenge from former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee, a favorite among Christian evangelicals. A politically influential figure in Ohio, Parsley could also play a key role in McCain's effort to win this bellwether state in the general election. McCain, with Parsley by his side at the Cincinnati rally, called the evangelical minister a "spiritual guide."

And what does Parsley preach, you might ask? Well, as it turns out, Parsley is notable for calling for the United States to be at war with Islam. Not violent Islamic extremists, mind you--the religion of Islam itself.


www.outsidethebeltway.com

The girl has an obsession of hate.

Posted by AMERICANUNITY


Using "girl" as an insult is about as misogynistic as it gets.

Well, unless the user is a pussy to begin with.

I guess the issue really is who gives the endorsement and when.

They also can hold a candidates' night for all office-seekers in a race. But according to guidance provided on the IRS's Web site, churches are "absolutely prohibited from directly or indirectly participating in, or intervening in, any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for elective public office."

...

Donald Tobin, an associate dean at Ohio State University law school, who formerly worked for the Justice Department on nonprofit tax matters, adds that nonprofits cannot make endorsements or engage in a "pattern and practice that is designed to support one candidate over another."

online.wsj.com

I think that a pastor at any of his church functions when acting as the pastor, they should not mention anything negative/positive about the candidates.

If they are outside of a church function not acting as a pastor, they can.

Using "girl" as an insult is about as misogynistic as it gets.

Well, unless the user is a pussy to begin with.

Posted by Corky


In one of the deabates I remember Hillary saying:




"I'M YOUR GIRL!"



Was she insulting herself?

Was she insulting herself?

Posted by member2586

That's back when she was courting the young, college crowd. Unfortunately, they knew she was an old, lying bitty.

SCANDALOUS!

www.drudge.com

Obama steals a copy of the NYT!

Do you expect the race- and gender-baiting to get worse in the general election?

P: Even though the RNC has indicated that they are kind of scared about how to attack Hillary Clinton without charges of sexism being leveled against them, and Barack Obama without allegations of racism, you'll still have ancillary individuals and groups who will make these attacks--that, for example, Obama used drugs at one time. There's ample evidence that, at least with regards to juries, they tend to view defendants more harshly when they've committed a crime that seems racially congruent, like a black person committing a more blue-collar crime--robbery, drug dealing and so forth. If they play that up, it could be problematic for him. If they question his patriotism, again, that could be problematic for him, because it raises these implicit biases about whether he's American enough. Republicans will probably play on these things, and perhaps his relationship with his pastor Jeremiah Wright, who openly espouses a black value system, to raise implicit biases in the electorate. And I think that poses some significant challenges for Obama.


Well, Republicans and Corky.

www.blog.newsweek.com


Yes, Gal, we must not look at the race-baiting pastor/mentor behind the curtain.

Have another sip of Obamaide?


Corky, like I said yesterday, I was willing to give Gerri the benefit of the doubt due to the chemotherapy, and there was some truth to what she said. But she was an idiot for saying Barack was "lucky" to be a black man, and for charging him with reverse racism. She made dumb statements with racial connotations. Do I think she is a racist, no, considering her civil rights background. Do I think she let herself get carried away due to her feminist qualities, yes. I really think that there are those like Gerri that believe that it is Hillary's turn and are hellbent on electing a woman, party be damned. Those are the people that turn me off. I can deal with, and will listen to, those that come forward with valid points/facts as to why they are supporting Hillary and why they think she makes a better candidate. Everyone has a right to their opinion, but to back a candidate solely due to the fact that the candidate falls within your demographic is a sign of an ignorant voter (this applies to Obama supporters as well).

"I'M YOUR GIRL!" hardly seems like using gender as an insult.... but then, I don't see things from the lower vertebrate perspective.

There are a lot of "that"s in the above post instead of "who"s. I apologize for my grammar, I am in numbers mode right now.

this guy makes malcolm x look like a choirboy!


"Wright is a member of Obama's African American Religious Leadership Committee -- the sort of largely honorary, advisory body that in recent days has recently been used mostly to throw people off who say controversial things.

The Obama campaign couldn't immediately say whether he'd remain on the committee."

Why doesn't Obama force his pastor/mentor to resign?

Keeping him on is tantamount to agreeing with his rants.

Why doesn't Obama force his pastor/mentor to resign?
Posted by Corky

Corky's right. Obama should fire him from his Campaign finance committee immediately!

The Democrats have long been at the politics of demagoguery, promising every group that it would get its "wish list" at the expense of everyone else. "you" are entitled to it. Because ...? Well, such a premise requires little or no justification.

And the politics of "victimization" is rampant. You have been victimized because you are - choose category: 1) black, 2) female, 3) Hispanic, 4) poor, 5) rich, 6) a student, 7) tall, 8) short, 9) male 10) homosexual, 11) heterosexual, 12) single, 13) married, 14) add additional classifications at will.

Of course, being victimized provides you with "entitlement." This entitlement is satisfied at the expense of others.

Just hope that your group gets more than it costs them.

Just give me your votes and I'll provide for victimized "you."

People don't recognize just how dangerous and divisive the doctrines of Rev. Wright, adopted by Mr. Obama, are. As polarization increases, and the emphasis is not on how I can "earn" more by contributing something, it degenerates into how can I get more from a pie that remains the same size, so that for every transfer someone is disadvantaged. But screw them, they deserve it.

We develop a third world mentality, which indeed afflicts some of our population today. And we look to the government as an instrument to enrich us at the expense of "bad guys," the others.

Just look at how these concepts destabilized the African country from which Mr. Obama's father hails. The pitting of group against group for the spoils has generated only strife and resulted in less for all.

The Democrat Party has introduced some very dangerous propositions to the American electorate, which can only culminate in ... Oh, what the heck. This is "idealism," embraced by youth which favors what is misrepresented as "equality" without regard to its consequences.

Obama comes from a background of hatred, class hatred through his communist mother, and racial hatred through a combination of circumstances. This led to his enrollment in a church and adoption of the precepts of his mentor, a black separatist racist, who advocates special entitlements for blacks and implicit in his message is revenge for wrongs. Just what America needs, someone who derides its values and hates this country and its majority population, seeking vengeance.

"The Democrat Party has introduced some very dangerous propositions to the American electorate, which can only culminate in .."

Be afraid, Johnson, be very afraid!





Boo!!!

People don't recognize just how dangerous and divisive the doctrines of Rev. Wright, adopted by Mr. Obama, are.

Where is your proof that Obama has adopted Wright's doctrines on this issue?

Have Rev., Wright, you ever been called a n.....? I suppose so. You ever been targeted by low-life black rapist-robber-murderers as those two young girls with promising lives at Auburn and University of North Carolina were?

Don't grievances against predators count? Do they offset your plaint?

I'd rather be called a name than brutally murdered?

Is "the "N" word used derisively because it represents a stereotype fostered by observable behavior that is perceived as indicative of the actions of members of the black community, and extended to innocent members trying to live decent lives? Is there input that gives rise to use of the "N" word to describe people who are dependent, lifelong multigenerational welfare receipients, disease infested, aggressive violent criminal, and whose incapabilities require affirmative action and setasides to enable them to function in society?

Stop preaching racial hatred, Rev. Wright. The outlook you maintain provides a sense of justification for low lifes who do target people as victims based on race.

You're there Rev. Wright with your subliminal message cheering these miscreants on.

Why doesn't Obama force his pastor/mentor to resign?

Good question. People who make absurd statements (see, Power and Ferarro) should not be associated with campaigns.

OOHRAH

You're probably right. But, I don't remember Bush distancing himself from Falwell and Robertson as they said Muslims should be killed, AIDS was God's wrath on the homosexuals, the tsunami was 'God's wrath' upon the Muslims, or any number of other inflammatory stretches of the imagination. And they were VERY involved in electing George Bush - Moral Majority and all that.

So, we're going to have a double standard now?

He shouldn't be a campaign advisor in any case. Other than that, America has given preachers with far louder megaphones and millions of followers a complete pass on their irrational rhetoric. Bush never once said their statements were wrong or inflammatory to millions, and in some cases billions of God's kids on Earth. And all the while the "Liason Office of Evangelical Outreach" (sic) in the White House never said a peep publicly either.

Oh, and there's a thread here about McCain's 'spiritual advisor' who advocates wiping out the Muslim world.

if there's racism, it's certainly being directed in Obama's direction much more than it ever has for McCain or Bush before him.

I don't recall Obama's pastor mentioning killing millions of people...ever. He has spoken out voraciously about racial injustice that unfortunately is alive and well in 2008 America. Legally we've made leaps and bounds to level the playing field, but the undercurrent is still quite divided and tipped heavily to Caucasian's advantage.

I related a personal experience of my own on another thread:

While I was waiting for the waiter to bring back my check, a successful African-American friend of mine went outside around 10 pm to flag down a cab. When I got outside I saw several empty cabs pass him by. He'd been out there close to 5 minutes and not a single cab stopped for him. He was not in hip hop garb, but dressed rather nicely. As soon as I got out there we got one right away. That's in Manhattan. That's reality for many blacks even now. So, I'm not talking about workplace equality. I'm giving an example I witnessed of unspoken racism that simmers under the surface. It's sad.

AMERICANUNITY @ 9:28, I also live in Manhattan and know that 90% of the cab drivers here are immigrants from Africa, south Asia or central Asia. Now if these people discriminate against black people, could it be becaue an overwhelming majority of violent crimes committed in and around the city are by blacks and hence these people are scared?

And even leaving that aside, how on earth is this a fault of white Americans for which bigotry of the Wright kind is justifiable?

Obama better do something quick because from watching this story on "Morning Joe" this morning it is going to be big. I don't think Obama should waste time debating whether his preacher is worse than any one else's preacher or advisor, the thing is this will turn off millions of white voters.
Hilary is dancing and singing this morning, her prayers were answered. Could be she has realized this story has been lying there for a while and that is why she has stayed in the race.

I don't think Obama should waste time debating whether his preacher is worse than any one else's preacher or advisor, the thing is this will turn off millions of white voters.
Posted by danni

Exactly. But it's going to be tough. All I'm hearing and reading is that Barrack and Michelle have been loyal to this guy for 20 years. And now they are tying her "First time I'm proud to be an American" remark to the Pastor and his teachings.

About time this came out. I have been having a heck of a time watching all my uppity NY liberal Obama supporters hemming and hawing trying to explain this any which way.

You curse Bush to death for being a right wing religious fundamentalist but now 'The Chosen One' has been exposed as a left wing religious fundamentalist and racist and separatist. Worse still, the right wingers at least love America, the left wingers hate America too!

Matt,

I use to watch the 700 Club every day. My point is that all these leaders say Fucked Up things and have for years. So now it is an Issue? When was one President under ANY pressure from their statements? We seen them in the White House 100s of times. Falwell is one of the Primary reasons Reagan was elected. So when Rudy was Endorsed by Robertson was he Turned Down? "No" They have Millions of Followers don't they?

The Founding Fathers:

John Adams (the second President of the United States)

Adams signed the Treaty of Tripoli (June 7, 1797). Article 11 states:
"The government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion."

From a letter to Charles Cushing (October 19, 1756):
"Twenty times in the course of my late reading, have I been upon the point of breaking out, 'this would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it.'"

From a letter to Thomas Jefferson:
"I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved -- the Cross. Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced!"

Additional quotes from John Adams:
"Where do we find a precept in the Bible for Creeds, Confessions, Doctrines and Oaths, and whole carloads of trumpery that we find religion encumbered with in these days?"

"The Doctrine of the divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity."

"...Thirteen governments [of the original states] thus founded on the natural authority of the people alone, without a pretense of miracle or mystery, and which are destined to spread over the northern part of that whole quarter of the globe, are a great point gained in favor of the rights of mankind."

www.aynrand.org

Keep The Preachers Away From Government !


-Sarge

Worse still, the right wingers at least love America, the left wingers hate America too!

Come On Now; Killing The Constitution And The Bill Of Rights Is Loving America?

The Founding Fathers Were Not Religious Zealots !

Here:

I have examined all the known superstitions of the World, and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike, founded on fables and mythology. Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites; to support roguery and error all over the world . . . . The clergy converted the simple teachings of Jesus into an engine for enslaving mankind . . . to filch wealth and power to themselves. [They], in fact, constitute the real Anti-Christ.
Thomas Jefferson

It does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no God.
Thomas Jefferson

Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear.
Thomas Jefferson

I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish Church, by the Roman Church, by the Greek Church, by the Turkish Church, by the Protestant Church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is my own church.
Thomas Paine

My country is the world, and my religion is to do good.
Thomas Paine

Persecution is not an original feature in any religion; but it is always the strongly marked feature of all religions established by law.

Thomas Paine


Of all the animosities which have existed among mankind, those which are caused by difference of sentiments in religion appear to be the most inveterate and distressing, and ought most to be deprecated. I was in hopes that the enlightened and liberal policy, which has marked the present age, would at least have reconciled Christians of every denomination so far that we should never again see the religious disputes carried to such a pitch as to endanger the peace of society.
George Washington

. . . the path of true piety is so plain as to require but little political direction.
George Washington, 1789, responding to clergy complaints that the Constitution lacked mention of Jesus Christ

If they are good workmen, they may be from Asia, Africa or Europe; they may be Mahometans [Muslims, followers of the Prophet Mohammed], Jews, Christians of any sect, or they may be Atheists....
George Washington, to Tench Tighman, March 24, 1784, when asked what type of workman to get for Mount Vernon

. . . I beg you be persuaded that no one would be more zealous than myself to establish effectual barriers against the horrors of spiritual tyranny, and every species of religious persecution.

George Washington, to United Baptists Churches of Virginia, May, 1789

All possess alike liberty of conscience and immunities of citizenship. It is now no more that toleration is spoken of as if it was by the indulgence of one class of people, that another enjoyed the exercise of their inherent natural rights. For happily the government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance, requires only that they who live under its protection should demean [conduct] themselves as good citizens, in giving it on all occasions their effectual support.

George Washington

When a religion is good, I conceive it will support itself; and when it does not support itself, and God does not take care to support it so that its professors are obliged to call for help of the civil power, 'tis a sign, I apprehend, of its being a bad one.

Benjamin Franklin


-Sarge

You gotta admit, Sarge...lots of fundamentalists go way overboard...someone should tar and feather that Phelps. HOWEVER, Falwell, Robertson, Baker or any others you may want to name NEVER called out for God not to bless America, but to DAMN America. None of the others gave an award to "Calypso Louie" Farakhan either. If you want to compare Wright to the others, I think it's a loooooong stretch. The only other religious persons I can think of for a valid comparison are Ayatollah Khomeini, Al Sadr and Nasrallah.

Sarge

You are desperately trying to avoid the point, are'nt you. Agreed - Wright, Falwell and Robertson are NO different and all agents of hatred.

Which is why in the case of Robertson and Falwell, you absolutely DETEST all politicians affiliated with them or the ones who appear to even slightly defend them (using the usual argument - these folks are otherwise good, they run huge charities etc etc).

Hence - to be logically consistent, and honest - you HAVE to absolutely detest a politician who associates with Wright too - one who has been associated with him for over 20 years, considers him to be a mentor and still defends him.

So will this expose make you DETEST and HATE and OPPOSE Obama just like you do the same to politicians who are associated with Falwell and Robertson?

You dont even have the guts or honesty to answer that, do you?

Play it over and over and over and over.....

patterico.com

Obama has been a part of this crap for 20 years.

If I was at a church and the preacher started talking like this--I would grab my kids and get out of there.

It's disgusting. He's kinda scary. His words are over my head--I don't get it--how someone of the cloth can even talk like this. And people actually sit there and listen to it and praise it and attend to it for 20 years!

online.wsj.com

And Obama should excuse the Reverand--or the Rev should resign. The longer he is in--the longer this story and the videos get played over and over and over again.

Murphy

This is not Christian teachings.


Murphy

I suppose that supprt for this Pastor and Obama, and excusing their association is evidence that the last bastion of racism in the United States is with the liberals. The lefties have such a low opinion of black people that they exempt them from conforming to any standard.

And this is so blatant, so many of the leftist posters have stated that "they want Obama elected to the presidency BECAUSE he is BLACK. Well, they are outright unabashed racists as they say the determining factor in his selection is RACE.

Of course, the most polarized racism in a community is found in the black community, which has voted for Obama on the basis of his race, at a rate well over 90%. And they say that the vote was based on race.

White folks on the other hand, have voted for a black man, in many instances more than 50% of whites supporting black Obama.

So, who is racist? Black folks are racist as a group, voting for candidates with equivalent programs and making a decision based on race.

Of course, Mr. Obama is a "black racist" as evidenced by his long-time associations. And white flks excuse black racism since their expectations for black people are so low.

Any white politician with such racist affiliations that he maintained over 20 years, would be considered "unclean," and rightfully so. If Barack Hussein Obama isn't elected to the presidency, I suspect that with all the reveleations concerning his racism, his communist affiliations, his associations with terrorists both foreign and domestic, the hatred against the United States in his circles, and the like, as well as his corrupt dealings, he will not be reelected Senator.

White supportfor Obama was given before the fact that he is such a sleaze ball became more a matter of public knowledge. Of course, there are some whites who are self-abasing, who will support a black racist affiliate of Wright, Obama's mentor, and Farrakhan despite the fact that they are constantly vilified by them..White lefties who support racists need treatment for masochism. They're really sick people.

To exorcise racism frm the United States, this country next has to focus on making blacks as antagonistic to racists in their midst as whites are.

Send Obama back to the racist cesspool from which he emerged. He stinks.

Send Tiny Johnson back to the racist cesspool from which he emerged. He stinks.

There.

Fixed That For Ya!

Be Well.

Jestgettinalong,

"NEVER called out for God not to bless America, but to DAMN America."

Take A Gander At These:

adultthought.ucsd.edu

So What Is The Difference ? I'm Starting think that there is some "Other" issue why this Pastor and "Calypso Louie" Farakhan are worse than the rest.

-Sarge

Send Obama back to the racist cesspool from which he emerged. He stinks.

Posted by Johnson

can I have an Amen??

"can I have an Amen??"

Will a 'fuck you' do?

It had to be CORKY or NANC

Will you ever stop with these way over stated and dramatized threads?

At least it didn't start with Hussein Obama.

NEXT!!!

You dont even have the guts or honesty to answer that, do you?

Posted by matt1605 at 2008-03-14 01:00 PM


Of course he doesn't. What are the odds he's black and believes as Obama does, that Mr Wright is right and has been for 20 years?

I read Obama's church's website 5 or 6 months ago and saw no mention of anything other than a full commitment to africa and an afro centric culture.

Up until the last few days I was going to sit this election out, but no more. After hearing and seeing the evil that is Mr. Wright and his church, I'll be voting McCain and there's nothing Obama or his minions can say at this point that will stop me from doing so.


NOW DO YOU FAGGOTS BELIEVE ME WHEN I TELL YOU THAT HUSSEIN OSAMA WANTS TO DESTROY AMERICA?????


His God-damned pastor said it himself!


You are a bunch of suicidal closet Mohammed lovers!

I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish Church, by the Roman Church, by the Greek Church, by the Turkish Church, by the Protestant Church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is my own church.
Thomas Paine
posted by Sarge

This is so good, it needed to be posted twice.

Obama is no Thomas Paine.

This is so true it needs posted thrice.

Obama is no Thomas Paine.

This is so true it needs posted thrice.

Obama is no Thomas Paine.

This is so true it needs posted thrice.

People would have called that Byitch Hilliary a Nigger if they though they could get some traction out of it.But in the end Hilliary is like Bush and every other criminal in the US Congress because names don't stop,let alone deter them,not even one little bit.

As far as Obamma's pastor is concerned he should also realize that white people can't blame every single,trifling thing in their lives on black people - like the good pastor does - in reverse!

Kris_P_Bacon isn't a Tasty Breakfast Meal. THAT only needs to be said ONCE.

Larry Mohr

Oh look, a dog lover, wink wink, thinks he's insulted me.

send them all back to where they came from if they wish to go yep that would be somewhere in the middle of third world afucka. If you dont like it here in the good ole U.S.A. then leave!!!

Sarge nice quotes tell me what books you got these out of please.


so many of the leftist posters have stated that "they want Obama elected to the presidency BECAUSE he is BLACK.

Who? When?

last bastion of racism in the United States is with the liberals.

Last bastion? Oh you mean those neo-nazi, kkk, and just plain backward ass redneck liberals?

Johnson, you're an embarrassment.

You know, the more I read shit like this from black men of power, the less I feel for those blacks who buy into the brainwashing that the white man is responsible for their plight in life. Seems to me, if early white settlers hadn't brought black slaves to America, the black population would still be living in the jungles of Africa.

And as far as the black population in prison, look at who is committing the crimes? Doesn't take a genius to do that math! I'm sick of the black man crying about his situation.

You want to gangbang, then pay the price, but don't blame me. You want to knock up all your hos' and create disfunctional families, pay the price, but don't blame me! Get a fucking job, shut the hell up and contribute to society!

Not my most PC blog, but I'm tired of blacks blaming the white world. And by the way, I don't hear the Mexicans complaining!

Not my most PC blog, but I'm tired of blacks blaming the white world. And by the way, I don't hear the Mexicans complaining!

Could It Be This Never Happened To Them:

www.withoutsanctuary.org

How Would You Feel ?

-Sarge

Sarge, I'm not saying the black race hasn't had a troubled past, but this is the 21st century. Are the Jews still sitting around waiting for had outs from Germany? No, they have stepped up to the plate and haven't let past experiences hold them back.

The Farrakans of the black community are to blame for the "entitlement" attitude most blacks have. Obviously, Obama hasn't let them bring him down or hold him back.

We all have an equal chance of success in America, regardless of past transgressions on a particular race.

Well TIGERBALM at least you tangentially addressed the topic unlike people such as dethspud and Hans, who seem so upset, so distressed by the exposure of the character of the candidate they idolized and embraced that they can do nothing but seek to divert attention from the reality of his situation and be personally offensive to other posters. Well, that's the last refuge of the inarticulate or those whose positions the facts contravene, so they resort to the "baffle 'em with bullshit" defense.

Do you believe that lying sack of shit, the black racist Obama, when he says that he didn't know the anti-American positions of his mentor, Rev. Wright, who openly embraced and presented an award to Louis Farrakhan, leader of the black racist Nation of Islam. Obama was a member f the church for 20 years, had Pastor Wright marry him, baptize, his children, and provide him with guidance, and announced that the white-hating, America-hating Rev. Wright was his mentor?

Or do you think it just got too hot in the kitchen? I think that Rev. Wright's views reflect Mr. Obama's views, but that he recognizes that exposure of the fact that he, Obama, has a record of close affiliation with a rabid black racist, will scuttle his attempt to secure the nomination.

I posted this:

so many of the leftist posters have stated that "they want Obama elected to the presidency BECAUSE he is BLACK.

You replied:
Who? When?

I'm not going to do the research for you, but if you want to search their posts, I think that you'll find it in Buffalo Bob's or dethspud's statements, possibly both.

I posted:
last bastion of racism in the United States is with the liberals.

You replied:
Last bastion? Oh you mean those neo-nazi, kkk, and just plain backward ass redneck liberals?

Not at all. The groups you enumerate have been marginalized and neutralized. They are considered "outlaws," unwelcome in polite society.

I used the word bastion, a defended stronghold, as the leftists support positions that would retard or advance people with race being the denominator, thus degrading blacks by describing them as a group of inferior people unable to participate in society on a level playing field, and penalizing whites as individuals by using racial criteria.

You posted:
Johnson, you're an embarrassment.

Indeed, I expect that I am for you and other lefties by putting a mirror in front of your face and confronting you with the incongruity of your views and positions.

You can reject the premises on which you've been acting, and embrace human decency rejecting racism. It's difficult since it is so ingrained, but strive and you stand a good chance of success.

Do you reject Obama yet, or will you compose an apologetic for him and attempt to justify him?

Come on, TIGERBALM, will you denounce Obama as a scumbag racist, whom you no longer support?

I'm not a racist but a realist. Amerikkka is a racist nation built on slavery.

I have been sent by Allah/black Jesus, to save the Palestinians from the gutter rat jews.

Amerikkka will lose in Iraq and around the world, the chickens have come home to ro--o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-oost, my niggahs.


Vote Obama Hussein in 08!

For all your bloviation, Johnson, I have to grudgingly admit you've got some real brass ones to try to convince everyone you have the moral high ground when you yourself are guilty of at least two blatant lies just in today's posts.

Or did you conveniently forget that you deliberately altered the content of an article and posted it to try to make Obama look bad, and make the situation seem like something it wasn't to better suit your agenda?

And did you also conveniently forget that you posted a proven lie about Obama's sexuality and drug use knowing full well that his accuser had failed not one, but two lie detector tests just 3 weeks ago? And then even when confronted with that truth you refused to admit your duplicity.

Shame on you. You most certainly have no moral standing to sit in judgment of anyone else.

I think that you'll find it in Buffalo Bob's or dethspud's statements, possibly both.

Actually, I think you'll find that Johnson is talking out his ass again, as usual.

Spud take on Hill's Vagina and Obama's Blackness?

Anyone who votes for either candidate specifically because they are, respectively, a woman and a black man are fools.

The only bigger fools are those who would not vote for them specifically because of gender or race.

Spud includes Tiny Johnson on that latter list, btw.

Be Well.

"Hillary ain't never been called a n****r."

Actually yeah, she has.

By John Lennon...

Woman is the nigger of
the world
Yes she is...think about it
Woman is the nigger of the world
Think about it...do something about it

We make her paint her face and dance
If she won't be slave, say that she don't love us
If she's real, we say she's trying to be a man
While putting her down we pretend that she is above us
Woman is the nigger of the world...yes she is
If you don't belive me take a look to the one you're with
Woman is the slaves of the slaves
Ah yeah...better scream about it
We make her bear and raise our children
And then we leave her flat for being a fat old mother hen
We tell her home is the only place she should be
Then we complain that she's too unworldly to be our friend
Woman is the nigger of the world...yes she is
If you don't belive me take a look to the one you're with
Woman is the slaves of the slaves
Yeah (think about it)

We insult her everyday on TV
And wonder why she has no guts or confidence
When she's young we kill her will to be free
While telling her not to be so smart we put her down for being so dumb
Woman is the nigger of the world...yes she is
If you don't believe me take a look to the one you're with
Woman is the slaves of the slaves
Yes she is...if you belive me,
you better scream about it.


Be Well.

Reverand Wright speaks the truth, Amerikka is built on the backs of blackman.

Never mind that he and I are half white, we reject the entire lineage of our white devil forefathers as racist bastards and bitchs.

GODDAMN AMERIKKKA!

Vote Obama Hussein in 08!

"I'll be voting McCain and there's nothing Obama or his minions can say at this point that will stop me from doing so.

Posted by Kris_P_Bacon"

Now THAT'S pretty rich. Like there was ever a snowball's chance in hades you were going to anyway. Somehow we'll go on without you.

According to the 1860 census, America's population was 31,183,774.

The price for manumission for the slaves was paid in blood. Most fpeople who died or were wounded in this cause were those white devils, denouced by the black racists, Rev. Wright and Farrakhan.

The Price in Blood!
Casualties in the Civil War

At least 618,000 Americans died in the Civil War, and some experts say the toll reached 700,000. The number that is most often quoted is 620,000. At any rate, these casualties exceed the nation's loss in all its other wars, from the Revolution through Vietnam.

The Union armies had from 2,500,000 to 2,750,000 men. Their losses, by the best estimates:

Battle deaths: 110,070
Disease, etc.: 250,152
Total 360,222


The Confederate strength, known less accurately because of missing records, was from 750,000 to 1,250,000. Its estimated losses:

Battle deaths: 94,000
Disease, etc.: 164,000
Total 258,000

The leading authority on casualties of the war, Thomas L. Livermore, admitting the handicap of poor records in some cases, studied 48 of the war's battles and concluded:

Of every 1,000 Federals in battle, 112 were wounded.

Of every 1,000 Confederates, 150 were hit.

Mortality was greater among Confederate wounded, because of inferior medical service. The great battles, in terms of their toll in dead, wounded, and missing is listed on this site:

You sort of wonder what kind of ingrates these entitlement blacks are in demanding reparations from the very people who died to free the slaves.

Would Allah call Hillary a nigger?

Barack Obama: On My Faith and My Church

The pastor of my church, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, who recently preached his last sermon and is in the process of retiring, has touched off a firestorm over the last few days. He's drawn attention as the result of some inflammatory and appalling remarks he made about our country, our politics, and my political opponents.

Let me say at the outset that I vehemently disagree and strongly condemn the statements that have been the subject of this controversy. I categorically denounce any statement that disparages our great country or serves to divide us from our allies. I also believe that words that degrade individuals have no place in our public dialogue, whether it's on the campaign stump or in the pulpit. In sum, I reject outright the statements by Rev. Wright that are at issue.

Because these particular statements by Rev. Wright are so contrary to my own life and beliefs, a number of people have legitimately raised questions about the nature of my relationship with Rev. Wright and my membership in the church. Let me therefore provide some context.

As I have written about in my books, I first joined Trinity United Church of Christ nearly twenty years ago. I knew Rev. Wright as someone who served this nation with honor as a United States Marine, as a respected biblical scholar, and as someone who taught or lectured at seminaries across the country, from Union Theological Seminary to the University of Chicago. He also led a diverse congregation that was and still is a pillar of the South Side and the entire city of Chicago. It's a congregation that does not merely preach social justice but acts it out each day, through ministries ranging from housing the homeless to reaching out to those with HIV/AIDS.

Most importantly, Rev. Wright preached the gospel of Jesus, a gospel on which I base my life. In other words, he has never been my political advisor; he's been my pastor. And the sermons I heard him preach always related to our obligation to love God and one another, to work on behalf of the poor, and to seek justice at every turn.

The statements that Rev. Wright made that are the cause of this controversy were not statements I personally heard him preach while I sat in the pews of Trinity or heard him utter in private conversation. When these statements first came to my attention, it was at the beginning of my presidential campaign. I made it clear at the time that I strongly condemned his comments. But because Rev. Wright was on the verge of retirement, and because of my strong links to the Trinity faith community, where I married my wife and where my daughters were baptized, I did not think it appropriate to leave the church.

Let me repeat what I've said earlier. All of the statements that have been the subject of controversy are ones that I vehemently condemn. They in no way reflect my attitudes and directly contradict my profound love for this country.

With Rev. Wright's retirement and the ascension of my new pastor, Rev. Otis Moss, III, Michelle and I look forward to continuing a relationship with a church that has done so much good. And while Rev. Wright's statements have pained and angered me, I believe that Americans will judge me not on the basis of what someone else said, but on the basis of who I am and what I believe in; on my values, judgment and experience to be President of the United States.

Hey SanAntonioRogue, some people just can't be alienated. Some people are natural dupes.

Continue your support for the racist Obama. After you finish with him and Rev. Wright, and Louis Farrakhan, The Aryan Nation and David Duke also need a able and dedicated defender.

Now will you be an "equal opportunity" defender of racists, or is your practice in defense of racists limited to black racists? Are you a specialist?

Of course, if Rudy were the nominee, would we ever see anything like this...? (I changed very few words)

Rudy Guiliani: On My Faith and My Church

...My church...has...drawn attention as the result of some inflammatory and appalling actions (their anti-educational stance regarding condoms in the most AIDS-ravaged part of the world).

Let me say at the outset that I vehemently disagree and strongly condemn the actions that have been the subject of this controversy. I categorically denounce any action that disparages our great ideals or serves to divide us from our brothers. I also believe that words that degrade individuals have no place in our public dialogue, whether it's on the campaign stump or in the pulpit. In sum, I reject outright the actions by the Catholic Church that are at issue.

Because these particular actions by the Catholic Church are so contrary to my own life and beliefs, a number of people have legitimately raised questions about the nature of...my membership in the church.

"the racist Obama."

Have you direct proof, or is this guilt by association?

"Some people are natural dupes."

And some are natural liars. And you've been a busy boy at that today, haven't you?

"The Farrakans of the black community are to blame for the "entitlement" attitude most blacks have. Obviously, Obama hasn't let them bring him down or hold him back."

Buzz you obviously do not know Farrakans Ideology He is about Black Separation, No Where Near "Entitlement, the Direct Opposite .

Official Platform
The official platform of beliefs as stated by Elijah Muhammad in Message to the Blackman in America published in 1965 are as follows verbatim[4]:

Full and complete freedom.
Equal justice under the law.
Equality of opportunity.
The right for people in America whose parents or grandparents were descendants from slaves to be allowed, to establish separate state or territory of their own -- "either on this continent or elsewhere." (funded in full for six years by the U.S. and another six years partially funded by the U.S.)
Freedom for all Believers of Islam now held in federal prisons, as well as freedom for all black men and women now under death sentence in innumerable prisons in the North as well as the South. (despite their crimes)
Freedom to accept or reject the establishment of a land of their own.
An immediate end to the police brutality and mob attacks against blacks throughout the United States.
Equal employment opportunities, until a separate territory can be established.
For the government of the United States to exempt our people from ALL taxation as long as blacks are deprived of equal justice under the laws of the land.
Equal education, but separate schools up to 16 for boys and 18 for girls on the conditions that the girls be sent to women's colleges and universities. The platform also stated that the teachers for these schools would be black as well.

A prohibition on interracial mixing and intermarriage. The intention was to maintain the purity of Islam.

The official platform also states the beliefs of the Nation of Islam:

1.Belief in the One God, Whose proper name is Allah.

2.Belief in the Holy Qur-an and the Scriptures of all the Prophets of God.

3.Belief in the truth of the Bible, though tampered by human history.

4.Belief in Allah's Prophets and the Scriptures they brought to the people.

5.Belief in the "mental" resurrection of the dead -- not in physical resurrection but mental resurrection.

6.Belief in the Judgment Day. The first such judgment would take place, as God revealed, in America.

7.Belief in the need to separate white and black people into separate territories.

8.Belief in justice and equality for all peoples.
Respect for American laws and citizenry. (except those laws determined to be rooted in bigotry)

9.Belief in the hypocrisy of racial integration.
10.Belief that the American economy would not be able to furnish enough jobs for unemployed black Americans.

11.Belief that Black Americans should not be forced to fight in wars "which take the lives of humans".

12.Belief in the respect (but in Muslim tradition, not the equality) of Black women.

13.Belief that Allah (God) appeared in the Person of Master Wallace Fard Muhammad, July, 1930 -- the long awaited Messiah of the Christians and the Mahdi of the Muslims. Further, that God would bring about a universal government of peace.

That is what they believe No Entitlement, Now they do believe that something needs to be addressed about 400 years of Slavery with not even a Coke and A Smile. Which helping build America not by Choice but by Whips and Chains just seem fair to me. I know that concept is very Revolting but lets say I stole you from your parents put you in chains whip you until you build The Grandest House in the World then once you have finished it, I leave you on the corner without a nickle or thanks for the Free Work, how would you and your Parents feel ? Then when your children and grandchildren walk past it they can only do it during Daylight and could not even Deliver your Groceries to the Front Door but only th Back Door.

-Sarge

" Rev. Wright, and Louis Farrakhan, The Aryan Nation and David Duke"

Conflation on aisle four!

"The official platform also states the beliefs of the Nation of Islam:..."

Don't be quick to condemn: the "official platform" of Christians is to kill their children for sassing them.

"It's reassuring to know that Wright has stepped aside to join Obama's campaign."

Oohrah, please. I expected better from you.

He didn't step aside to join the campaign. He's retiring from the ministry - he's 67 years old.

He didn't join the campaign. He had been a member of a largely honorary spiritual advisory committee - while still in his ministry.

He has now stepped down from the advisory committee.

I am amazed that with all of the so-called Christians that post on here that there was only one single indirect mention of a key point of "Reverend" Wright's sermon.

That is his repeated statements that Jesus wasn't a Jew, he was a Black Man. He pointedly attacked Hillary for her European ancestry and Rudy for being Italian because Romans were white Europeans. He stated repeatedly that Jews were white but that Jesus was Black.
I may not be a Biblical Scholar but I could swear that Jesus was a Rabbi in the Jewish religion. I don't know if there were any Black Rabbis in pre-Christian days but no place in the Bible does it say that Jesus was a Black Man.

Yet not a peep out of the Christians around here about that.

Another funny point I read today, not having to do with the suject at hand was that the Barack "Slumlord Lover" Obama campaign is demanding that Hillary disclose all of the earmarks she has in the current budget.

Yet they don't talk AT ALL about the ONE MILLION DOLLAR earmark Slumlord Lover has in the current budget for Michelle "America Hater" Obama's employer, University Of Chicago Hospital. You know, the hospital that "Patient dumps" poor Black patients as charged by the US Department of Health and Human Services, charges poor Black patients 5 1/2 times as much for the same medicines than they charge rich White patients and spends over $10 million a year on collection agencies to hound these same poor Blacks who can't afford the inflated prices they are charged for the same sevices as rich White people are receiving....

Now you understand why Barack "Slumlord Lover" Obama's Semi-Universal Health Plan is designed the way it is. It brings more money into hospitals like the one his wife works for. Hospitals that are supposed to be "Not For Profit" yet, in the case of UC Hospital made a PROFIT of over $200 MILLION last year and is expected to make a PROFIT of $240 million this year even without BO's earmark... but he has to find some way to help them pay his wife $273,000 salary like they did last year for working PART TIME!!!

"You sort of wonder what kind of ingrates these entitlement blacks are in demanding reparations from the very people who died to free the slaves."

Johnson,

You are really Smoking Some Good Shit !!

1st the Civil War was not about Ending Slavery.

2nd the Slaves Never asked to come to America in the first place.

3rd they Built and Cultivated All of America for Free, with there own cost of Whips and Chains !

Do you know how many slaves died just on the Journey to America ?

www.slaveryinamerica.org

www.liu.edu

memory.loc.gov

Then when freed this happened:

www.withoutsanctuary.org

Did You Take A Long Good Look ?

-Sarge

Boy Shyguy. Before you worry about the hate you perceive in somebody else, you probably should take a really close look in the mirror.

"Michelle "America Hater" Obama"

You can always tell the trolls are desperate when they spin everything into the word HATE.

Sarge - Mr. Johnson is not particularly well acquainted with the truth, and is very uncomfortable around it. Please be more considerate.

WOW, this is getting the white racists all in a dither! And BTW, jestgetalong, that video didn't seem that bad to me. I guess if you can't stand black people and their churches then that video would be very annoying.

"but no place in the Bible does it say that Jesus was a Black Man."

You Make The Call:

Real Face Of Jesus: December 2002 Cover Story
Advances in forensic science reveal the most famous face in history.

BY MIKE FILLON
Published in the December 2002 issue.

www.popularmechanics.com

-Sarge

Man, the Barack "Slumlord Lover" Obama appologists are out in full force tonight!

They want us to believe that BO attended a church for 20 years where the preacher regularly attacks whites, worships Africa as the "Motherland", displays the Pan-African flag on his alter but not the US Flag and yet claims that he has NEVER heard a SINGLE ONE of these attacks in the 20 years he has attended this church! That is a strech of the imagination that defies all credibility, unless he sleeps through all of Wright's sermons.

They also want us to believe that BO forms an advisory committee that has no power, but is merely a figurehead committee. For what purpose?

If BO didn't know anything about these slanders that Wright has made upon America and all Whites who live in America then WHY would he have withdrawn the offer to let Wright preside over his Presidential campaign announcement the night before it happened? To add to this, the new Reverend Moss refused to replace Wright so Wright still was at the announcement. It just wasn't "officially" recognized that he fulfilled the role he was originally invited to fill in the first place in order to placate the MSM.

I also noted not a single mention that he was caught lying AGAIN about the involvment of one of his Slumlord buddies, Rezko... the first lie was that Rezko only donated $40,000 to his campaigns, then the next lie was that it was $75-80,000, then it was about $120,000, then it was $140,000 then it was about $175,000... now today he says it was $250,000... and the auctioneer is waiting for the next bid, do we hear $300,000, how about $290,000 does anyone bid $290,000, Going, Going.....

The excuses presented to justify his outrageous activities boggles the mind.

Barack "Slumlord Lover" Obama, the New Village Idiot...

TSG,

If, say, Rudy were the nominee, would you hold him responsible for the positions and statements of his church?

The hillarites are out tonight, desperately trying to get something to stick. This will die down in and become a non issue. Sorry hillarites, your candidate is going to lose.

I suppose judging somebody by their own words and deeds is off the table for the hate-monger crowd here. I guess when they sense blood in the water all semblance of truth and reason disappears in the mindless blood-lust.

Where is your proof that Obama has adopted Wright's doctrines on this issue?

Posted by Gal_Tuesday

where is the proof that he hasn't.. the left has crucified bush regarding his religion and statements regarding religion. Does anyone here honestly believe that he doesn't agree with his pastor? Do you honestly believe if he was a uniter he would stay at a church preaching this brand of intolerance and hatred..

What would the clinton haters say about hillary if she had Fred Phelps or david duke on the advisory council?

WOW, this is getting the white racists all in a dither! And BTW, jestgetalong, that video didn't seem that bad to me. I guess if you can't stand black people and their churches then that video would be very annoying.

Posted by MammonGOP

race baiting piece of shit.

"where is the proof that he hasn't.."

You can't prove a negative, moron.

Are the Jews still sitting around waiting for had outs from Germany?

Why Yes They Are And Have:

1933-1946 Jewish Oppression In Germany (13 Years)

1619-1865 American Slavery (301 Years)

Government and society > Health and welfare > War reparations
Under agreements concluded with 12 European countries, Germany has paid compensation to the nationals of those countries who were victims of Nazi oppression or to their families and successors. In particular, the government has assumed the immense financial responsibility of making restitution to the Jewish victims of Adolf Hitler's Germany. Claims for property confiscated during the Third Reich have been honoured, and Jewish refugees and expellees from that era, the vast majority of whom reside abroad, have been paid indemnifications and pensions. Massive reparations have been paid to Israel in the name of the Jewish people at large. East Germany ignored all such claims until 1990, when the transition government of Lothar de Mazire undertook similar restitution. In 2000 the German government, more than 3,000 German companies, the Evangelical Church in Germany, and a number of other institutions and governments established a multibillion dollar fund to compensate those forced to perform labour during Nazi internment. These roughly one million rapidly aging people, living primarily in central and eastern Europe, were among the last large groups of victims of the Nazi era who had received no previous payments or support from Germany. The fund was intended both to provide some restitution to the forced labourers and to shield German companies from potential individual lawsuits.

www.britannica.com

The Holocaust was not only about "ethnic cleansing" and mass murder. It was a major asset-stripping and looting operation. In the years immediately following the end of World War II, up until the 1990s, vast sums have been repaid by the Federal Republic of Germany in reparations, indemnification and restitution (over $70 billion). Resulting from a series of quietly negotiated technical agreements between Germany and the Jewish world, these payments have allowed the rehabilitation and resettlement of hundreds of thousands of Holocaust survivors in Israel, America and elsewhere. They also underwrote the reconstruction of Jewish communal life throughout Europe.
"German Reparations and the Jewish World" has become a standard reference work since it was first published. Based extensively on archival sources, the author examines the difficult debate within the Jewish world whether it was possible to reach a material settlement with Germany so soon after Auschwitz. Concentrating on how the money was spent in rebuilding Jewish life, he also analyzes how the reparations payments transformed the relations bteween Israel and the diaspora, and between different Jewish political and ideological groups. This revised and expanded edition includes material on sensitive relief programmes from archives that have only recently been opened to researchers. In a new, extensive introductory essay the author reexamines the reparations, restitution and indemnification processes from the perspective of 50 years later.


www.amazon.com


I Know It Is Very Easy To Make Statement That You "Think" Are True Or Want To Think Are True; But They Are Not.

-Sarge

Now they do believe that something needs to be addressed about 400 years of Slavery with not even a Coke and A Smile. Which helping build America not by Choice but by Whips and Chains just seem fair to me.

Until the black community stops filling our prisons with gangbangers, drug dealers, foodstamp junkies and filling our airways with filth like BET, I'll hold my sympathy.

Sorry.

Question for you Obamatards, especially those who smeared Ron Paul: why do you racists people hate America?

You know, I don't like Hillary and I was thinking that it was preferable to have Obama as president if a Dem has to win in 2008, but even so I am laughing my ass off you people who used the same kinds of tactics to smear Ron Paul. I hope you assholes had a miserable day trying to defend the sinking candidacy of your candidate.

SanAntonioRogue,

Yes, it is "Hard To Handle The Truth"

-Sarge

Pretty funny Legio, the old "prove you haven't got them" argument! That one's a gasser. Just like Bush said to Saddam, "Prove you ain't got those weepons of mass derstruction." Hopefully you realize how stupid that argument is otherwise it speaks dimly of your mental prowess.

I agree, Member. Ron Paul was smeared. He is a great American.

Sincerely,
David Duke

Until the black community stops filling our prisons with gangbangers, drug dealers, foodstamp junkies and filling our airways with filth like BET, I'll hold my sympathy.

Sorry.

Well Sorry Did You Read Anything ?

The Nation Of Islam Is Against All Of That Just Like You.

-Sarge

legio, you are one racist bastard, it appears. There is a cure: Rent some Chris Rock and David Chapelle stand routines on DVD and watch them. If you laugh your ass off, welcome to the human race. Otherwise, you might want to...oh, never mind.


I agree, Member. Ron Paul was smeared. He is a great American.

Sincerely,
David Duke

Posted by nullifidian


"Yeah! God Damn America! We deserve what we got in 9/11" -- Obama Pastor.
"PS. I forgot, White People created AIDS to destroy us."

Yeah, what a conspiracy theory nut crackpot Obama and his nut followers are!

We love Ron Paul!

Sincerely,
Stormfront

"I love Obama, even though he rejected and denounced me."-- Louis Farrakhan

Well-BET shows Frederick Price preaching on Sunday--and he has it right--(not Wright).


Obama has said, "I don't think my church is actually particularly controversial." I'm guessing he wasn't specifically referring to Wright's January 13 sermon in which he declared: "Hillary is married to Bill, and Bill has been good to us. No he ain't! Bill did us, just like he did Monica Lewinsky. He was riding dirty."

Sen. Barack Obama's pastor says blacks should not sing "God Bless America" but "God damn America."

The Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Obama's pastor for the last 20 years at the Trinity United Church of Christ on Chicago's south side, has a long history of what even Obama's campaign aides concede is "inflammatory rhetoric," including the assertion that the United States brought on the 9/11 attacks with its own "terrorism."

. . .

An ABC News review of dozens of Rev. Wright's sermons, offered for sale by the church, found repeated denunciations of the U.S. based on what he described as his reading of the Gospels and the treatment of black Americans.

"The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing God Bless America.' No, no, no, God damn America, that's in the Bible for killing innocent people," he said in a 2003 sermon. "God damn America for treating our citizens as less than human. God damn America for as long as she acts like she is God and she is supreme."

In addition to damning America, he told his congregation on the Sunday after Sept. 11, 2001 that the United States had brought on al Qaeda's attacks because of its own terrorism.

"We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye," Rev. Wright said in a sermon on Sept. 16, 2001.

"We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back to our own front yards. America's chickens are coming home to roost," he told his congregation.

Sen. Obama told the New York Times he was not at the church on the day of Rev. Wright's 9/11 sermon. "The violence of 9/11 was inexcusable and without justification," Obama said in a recent interview. "It sounds like he was trying to be provocative," Obama told the paper.

REALLY?? Ya' think it was only provacative?

Rev. Wright, who announced his retirement last month, has built a large and loyal following at his church with his mesmerizing sermons, mixing traditional spiritual content and his views on contemporary issues.

"I wouldn't call it radical. I call it being black in America," said one congregation member outside the church last Sunday.

article.nationalreview.com

The guy has lost his credibility and some of you folks are apologizing for it.

What a crock of shit! You are hypocrites and truly drinking the koolaid.

This guy is toast--welcome to Hillary as the nominee.

Obama is lying and can't get out of the crappy judgement he has for living his life!

He is a two faced liar--and all of you--you all know it.

Murphy


Obama is getting something of an actual high tech lynching on the TV tonight, so I have to defend my choice for VP.

Obama is a good man, a fine Christian, a potentially great American who loves his country, and a Democratic/American political rock star.

He can be questioned about his judgement in his close friends and advisors, both of 17 years, Rezko and Wright, who are the polar opposites of everything he represents, but I don't doubt that he does truly represent a positive view of America.

"Obama is getting something of an actual high tech lynching on the TV tonight, "

High tech lynching? Didn't Clarence Thomas say something similar?

"so I have to defend my choice for VP."

LOL! This is the funniest comment I've read in weeks!

The funny thing is, some of the pastors remarks could be explained away, while others not. What he says about 9/11 and the atomic bomb in Japan could be explained as a religious person be against all death , not just when they happen in America.

This is bad for Obama, which is too bad because it increases the chances that Hillary will be the nominee and be elected.

Well Sorry Did You Read Anything ?

The Nation Of Islam Is Against All Of That Just Like You.

-Sarge


Did I miss something in translation Sarge? So are we on the same page? Based on your earlier posts I thought we were on different pages.

buzz glad to see you are on the retort. this is the greatest place on earth. I love the retort.

Does anyone here honestly believe that he doesn't agree with his pastor?

Yes Legio, I do, completely. And I think this gets to the core of the vehemence on both sides regarding this issue. Many righties think that we continue to support Obama despite him supporting the radical and inflammatory rhetoric of Pastor Wright.

However, this is not the case. Obama has lived a life that is contrary to those beliefs and has publicly denounced them. There is no evidence to suggest he shares them. If he did, I would no longer support him.

But many who have already made up their minds regarding Obama are all to eager to complete an inaccurate stereotype. In their minds it must be true because all black men think this way. Facts be damned.

Sarge,

While the Popular Science article is interesting, it doesn't show any depiction that Jesus was Black except a 20th Century painting.

If the Shroud of Turin is actually a real depiction of Jesus' face, it is clearly not Black in features at all.

While most depictions of Jesus are very European in appearance, that is very understandable since Euros were the largest Christian population for several thousand years and so their depictions would tend toward their own appearances instead of reality.

Since Jesus was born as Mary's child, more attention should be placed upon HER appearance than in looking at Semite men since if he was born from immaculate conception, her genes would be the major influence in his appearance.

So if Wright is correct, either Mary was Black or the Lord is Black since if Mary is White and Jesus is Black then his appearance would come from God and not his mother.

So where in the Bible does it say that Mary was a Black woman? We already know there is no place in the Bible where Jesus is clearly described as Black. In fact, the one recitation in this article where Jesus was arrested, says that the Roman soldiers had to have him pointed out since he looked like the rest of the Semites in the crowd. So unless everyone in the Garden was Black, then he would have to be a very fair skinned Black with Semite features, hair, etc. Otherwise the Romans would have spotted him immediately.

"LOL! This is the funniest comment I've read in weeks!"

What's funny about it?

"I may not be a Biblical Scholar but I could swear that Jesus was a Rabbi in the Jewish religion. I don't know if there were any Black Rabbis in pre-Christian days but no place in the Bible does it say that Jesus was a Black Man."
-Posted by TheShyGuy

"He had skin of bronze and hair like sheeps wool"

Real Face Of Jesus: December 2002 Cover Story
Advances in forensic science reveal the most famous face in history.

BY MIKE FILLON
Published in the December 2002 issue.

www.popularmechanics.com

"He had skin of bronze and hair like sheeps wool"



-Sarge

The right for people in America whose parents or grandparents were descendants from slaves to be allowed, to establish separate state or territory of their own -- "either on this continent or elsewhere." (funded in full for six years by the U.S. and another six years partially funded by the U.S.)
Sarge--

Well didn't they do this exact thing for Liberia?

Many blacks left to live there.


And Tiger--what exactly do YOU really know about Obama? Nothing...


The guy is crashing to the abyss and not coming out.

Murphy

buzz glad to see you are on the retort. this is the greatest place on earth. I love the retort.

Thanks J. I like to poke my head in here once in awhile to see what's cooking.

Did I miss something in translation Sarge? So are we on the same page? Based on your earlier posts I thought we were on different pages.


I work for a living and never asked anyone of any color for a damn thing.
I fully believe in Totally Responsibility and Accountability !
-Sarge

The guy is crashing to the abyss and not coming out.

We shall see, Murph

Various tests have been performed on the shroud, yet the debates about its origin continue. Radiocarbon dating in 1988 by three independent teams of scientists yielded results published in Nature indicating that the shroud was made during the Middle Ages, approximately 1300 years after Jesus lived. Follow-up analysis published in 2005, however, indicated that the sample dated by the teams was taken from an area of the shroud that was not a part of the original cloth

en.wikipedia.org

www.usnews.com

-Sarge

I work for a living and never asked anyone of any color for a damn thing.
I fully believe in Totally Responsibility and Accountability !
-Sarge


lol

I thought so...

Sarge,

"He had skin of bronze and hair like sheeps wool"

So do over 50% of the guys in the neighborhood I grew up in - Little Italy. None of them are Black, nor are about 100 million other Mediteranean people with those same characteristics.

If you actually READ this article, the conclusion that the researchers came up with was that he was a SEMITE in appearance, not a Black.

Now if you want to ignore the Bible which says that the Earth has only existed for 6,000 years then you can make the case that he was Black and so are all of the rest of us. That is because the scientific community believes we are all decended from Lucy who lived in Northern Ehiopia between 3 and 4 MILLION years ago.

So pick your poison...

Now if you want to ignore the Bible which says that the Earth has only existed for 6,000 years

Where does it say that?

According to the "History Channel", the earth is only 4.6 billion years old.

Where do you get 6,000, Shyguy?


The girl has an obsession of hate.

Posted by AMERICANUNITY


Using "girl" as an insult is about as misogynistic as it gets.

Well, unless the user is a pussy to begin with.

Posted by Corky


Corky I agree: You're not a girl, but not yet a woman. Go see Britney Spears for a little gal-to-gal talk.

"Corky I agree: You're not a girl, but not yet a woman. Go see Britney Spears for a little gal-to-gal talk."

And you have the gall to call yourself "MrFair".


=Go see Britney Spears for a little gal-to-gal talk.

When is your sister available, mah bitch?



And you have the gall to call yourself "MrFair".
Posted by nullifidian


Hey Null-Nuts: this was addressed to Corky. What are you, the knight in shining armor? And yes, compared to Corky I am pretty darned fair.

=Go see Britney Spears for a little gal-to-gal talk.
When is your sister available, mah bitch?
Posted by Corky


Now that's more like the Corky I know! Null - take a lesson.

"What are you, the knight in shining armor?"

Yes.

Just caught the clip of President Obama interviewed on Fox.

You righties better head to the cold shower 'cause this story just isn't gonna give you the satisfaction you're desperately hunting for.

Fox's pinhead was practically apologizing for having brought it up by the end of the interview.

Next

GODDAMN AMERIKKKA!

Posted by Hussein

guess this is the "change we can believe in..." funny how the Obama apologists think this is "no big deal"...this nut job has been Barry's pastor for years--married him and that "I am proud to be an Ameircan...now" wife and baptisted both of his kids. And you think he just now decided to totally disagree with him?...wake up. You accuse Hillary of doing anything to get the vote. How does it feel to be in the same boat?

"where is the proof that he hasn't.."

You can't prove a negative, moron.

Posted by nullifidian

Moron? Its a pretty simple answer if you are honest about what you believe and say. He is not honest and you are a tool.

Pretty funny Legio, the old "prove you haven't got them" argument! That one's a gasser. Just like Bush said to Saddam, "Prove you ain't got those weepons of mass derstruction." Hopefully you realize how stupid that argument is otherwise it speaks dimly of your mental prowess.

Posted by MammonGOP

It was rhetorical you fucking moron. OF COURSE he believes his pastor of 20 years. OF COURSE he believes his doctrine. You don't stay at a church just for the fuck of it when this kind of bullshit is being spouted.

OF COURSE spooge monkeys like you will not address the issue head on and instead attempt to deflect from the facts. This is the obama way. Say nothing of substance call the opposition "silly", "inane" , "foolish", "dimwitted" when the facts remain the skin flute players here are the dimwitted rainmen.

You accuse Hillary of doing anything to get the vote. How does it feel to be in the same boat?

You mean the swift one?

legio, you are one racist bastard, it appears. There is a cure: Rent some Chris Rock and David Chapelle stand routines on DVD and watch them. If you laugh your ass off, welcome to the human race. Otherwise, you might want to...oh, never mind.

Posted by MammonGOP

yep.. im sooooo racist. have season 1-3 of dave chappelle (chris rock sux). Roomates in college were black..got along fine.

If you can can determine from vague posts on a board that I am a so called racist then why the fuck are you so retarded when determining that a persons actual publicly recorded ACTIONS by attending a racist church have no bearing on the candidates viability..

I'll ask again oh limpet of the lame...

If he attended Fred Phelp's church would you not assume he adopted the doctrine of being a gay basher?

Fact of the matter is if the black man in afucka had not sold his brother into slavery their would not have been a problem with slavery in the world. it ya all wish to look at the present state of the afucka nation then prehaps that will make a bit more sence to ya all. Lets see wasnt that nation called Zimbabway when it was a nation that exported things for the world, now what is it? dont blame me for the plight of the black man, and for the clueless that feel the war between the states was all about freeing the slaves--- bullshit. Lincoln only decided that was the thing to do to keep England from comming in on the side of the south.

Isn't it great when just one post like Gensherman's nugget just clears up the whole thing so succintly.

"Isn't it great when just one post like Gensherman's nugget just clears up the whole thing so succintly."

It wasn't very tactful, but he had the facts right. Incidently, I suppose you DO know that the biggest racist of all during the Civil War was General Sherman? And...that the biggest slaveholder in the state of Louisiana was a black woman? Lots of stuff isn't taught because it's the winners who write the history. Kinda like all the photos of the Confederate dead by Matthew Brady and his crew are because there were no Southern photographers taking photos. Hard to believe that there were MANY more Union dead than Confederate, isn't it? I bet you believe that the Confederate naval jack is the "Conferate flag" too.

It must be recess at The Backward Ass Academy of Redneck Studies.

it's the winners who write the history

That clearly makes you a LOSER

"It must be recess at The Backward Ass Academy of Redneck Studies."

You obviously need to enroll in the Academy if you doubt even one little bit of what I posted. It's all fact and is available to anyone who actually will do the research. They certainly didn't teach you the facts while you were studying "Heather Has Two Mommies" in YOUR schools.

The Backward Ass Academy of Redneck Studies.

Slavery 101:
In this course learn how some wealthy African royalty profited from the slave trade and that some blacks also owned slaves. Therefore slavery was the fault of Africans and racism does not and never did exist in America.

Obama owns a reverend?

Holy crap.

Quite literally.

Oh yeah, just more right wing garbage.

Sincerely,

Hussein 726


726, it is people like you who give the left a very bad name. I would love for you to show ow this is just more "right wing garbage".

"In this course learn how some wealthy African royalty profited from the slave trade and that some blacks also owned slaves. Therefore slavery was the fault of Africans and racism does not and never did exist in America."

Awww, yes...great example of leftist-socialist indoctrination. You got part A correct beause Africans definitely WERE profiting from the slave trade. But it certainly does not segue right into the second sentence because part B is wrong. In addition to Africans, there were Dutch, French, British and others involved in the slave trade. Yes, so were Americans and yes, racism DID and DOES exist in America. Witness the Reverend Wright for example.

I DO feel sorryy for you TiggerBomb, so in the spirit of love, I'm going to try to help you improve your education a litlle in the short time I have. Let's start with Sherman's racism....if you don't want to read the whole book because of the big words, read the editorial review below.

Sherman's Civil War: Selected Correspondence of William T. Sherman, 1860-1865 (Civil War America) (Hardcover)
by Brooks D. Simpson (Author)

Editorial Reviews

From Library Journal
Sherman once remarked that his letters were "sought after like hot cakes." With this superb edition of more than 400 letters drawn from the general's vast personal and official correspondence, it is easy to see why. Sherman wrote much and wisely about war though too often hastily and even angrily about politics and society. The letters read like an epistolary novel, showing Sherman as a loving husband and ambitious military man who found his calling in war. Sherman's devotion to the Union echoes throughout, as does his racism and impatience with posturing politicians, bungling officers, intractable civilians, and anyone else he could not control. The letters show how the famous Grant-Sherman friendship formed, how Lincoln rose in esteem among military men, and how military policy shaped emancipation and Reconstruction. Sherman's prejudices and arrogance will infuriate, just as his insights on war will inform. This well-edited collection is a triumph, sweeping all other editions of Sherman's and other generals' letters before it. Highly recommended.ARandall M. Miller, St. Joseph's Univ., Philadelphia
Copyright 1999 Reed Business Information, Inc.

Maybe I'm wrong but I took Tigerbalm's post to be sarcastic in light of his/her first line:

The Backward Ass Academy of Redneck Studies.

No?

JGA,

Thanks for the love , you sound like you must be a tenured professor at

The Backward Ass Academy of Redneck Studies.

Sherman 101: In this course learn that Sherman was a racist and therefore Sherman was a racist. This critical information will help you post useless crap on political blog threads that have nothing to do with the civil war.

"Maybe I'm wrong but I took Tigerbalm's post to be sarcastic in light of his/her first line:"

Oh, yeah, there was some sarcasm in light of his saying that there was no racism and that slavery was the fault of Africans. However, he's VERY short on facts and as a result attempted to belittle me with the "Redneck Studies" stuff. The ENTIRE history of the nineteenth century, and the events before and after the Civil War have been the most significant period in our existence as a country in my opinion. It all STILL affects us today, just look at the politics etc. People like TigerBalm have no inkling when they sum it up and make comments like, "the war was over slavery," "Lincoln freed the slaves" and "Southerners are racist."

"Sherman 101: In this course learn that Sherman was a racist and therefore Sherman was a racist."

Ya' know, TiggerBomb, this stuff is not really a sustitute for actual knowledge. You made a snide comment regarding the post by poster GenSherman and I responded to your comment by saying that his facts were correct. After all, consider that poster's name. All you've really done since that time is to try to compensate for your ignorance.
Racism has been mentioned before in this thread and there were posts that talked about slavery before I got here. The Civil War naturally followed.
Now that we have broached "racism," Do you suppose Wright is a racist? How about Farrakhan?

Instead of saying "God damn America," Wright whould have said, "God will damn America" for the various "sins" he feels the country has committed. I think that's what he meant: justice will be served by the Almighty. But, alas, it's not what he said. As for the reasons he states for the 9/11 attacks, ask yourself why America was targetted instead of say Canada? I'm NOT saying the attacks were justified, btw, but the reason for them is not a total mystery. What we do as a nation out of what we consider good will and good intentions, may not be preceived so by others. E.g. Bush said that we went to Iraq to overthrow Saddam, spread freedom, stop terrorism, but if you go to different ME countries, how many people see it that way?

JGA,

I do not know if Wright is or was a racist. His recent comments certainly suggest he carries considerable anger at what has been and he feels still is the experience of black Americans.

Farrakhan has defined his racist positions many times. Its not really a matter of opinion in my mind.

But to extrapolate that Barack is racist does not follow.

"Instead of saying "God damn America," Wright whould have said, "God will damn America" for the various "sins" he feels the country has committed."

IF...IF he had done that, probably nobody would give it a second thought. However, he didn't, he even prefaced his "God DAMN America" with "No, not God bless America." His meaning was clear..and all his other statements about "rich white people" and the "white man" go right along with his ACTUAL statement. When you consider his relationship with Farrakhan with everything else, I consider him to be a racist.

"But to extrapolate that Barack is racist does not follow."

I agree...hell, he's half white anyway. I think he made a mistake enhancing his political standing early in his career and it's going to hurt him now. His association with Wright/Farrakhan may have helped him in Chicago and Illinois, but it's biting him now.

"But to extrapolate that Barack is racist does not follow."

I agree...hell, he's half white anyway. I think he made a mistake enhancing his political standing early in his career and it's going to hurt him now. His association with Wright/Farrakhan may have helped him in Chicago and Illinois, but it's biting him now.

TigerBalm have no inkling when they sum it up and make comments like, "the war was over slavery," "Lincoln freed the slaves" and "Southerners are racist."

Attributing statements and positions to me that I never made and don't hold. You assume too much.

"Attributing statements and positions to me that I never made and don't hold. You assume too much."

OK, I accept that...but what was I to assume when you made statements like THIS?

"Sherman 101: In this course learn that Sherman was a racist and therefore Sherman was a racist."

JGA,

GENSHERMAN is slavery apologist. This thread is about guilt by association. Defend his position and define yours.

Thus, my sarcastic, redneck academy posts.

The Making of America

www.youtube.com

-Sarge

"So if Wright is correct, either Mary was Black or the Lord is Black since if Mary is White and Jesus is Black then his appearance would come from God and not his mother."

He Could Look As Either Genetically, As Far A Romans They Conquered Hundreds Of Nations So No One Would Stand Out. When You Think Of It Moses Who Was A Jew Passed As A Egyptian,So In Turn He Could Looked As Christ.


Black Egypt

youtube.com

The Rescue of Jerusalem: The Alliance Between Hebrews and Africans in 701 B.C.

Amazon.com
At the turn of the eighth century B.C., a mighty Assyrian army entered Judah and fought its way to the very gates of Jerusalem, poised, the prophet Isaiah warned, to "smash the city as easily as someone hurling a clay pot against the wall." But the assault never came; instead, the Assyrian army turned and fled, an event that has been called the Deliverance of Jerusalem. Whereas biblical accounts attribute the Assyrian retreat to divine intervention, journalist Henry Aubin offers an explanation that is miraculous in its own light: the siege was broken by the arrival of an army from Kushite Egypt--an army, that is, made up of black Africans. These Kushites figured in historical texts, Aubin continues, until the late 19th century, when racist scholars expunged them from the record--a process that, Aubin observes, coincided with the European conquest and colonization of Africa. The Kushite intervention assured the survival of the Hebrew people, Aubin asserts, and it deserves to be acknowledged anew. Well-written and carefully developed, though based on sometimes-uncertain evidence, Aubin's argument will doubtless excite discussion. --Gregory McNamee --This text refers to an out of print or unavailable edition of this title.

From Library Journal
Aubin argues that the Kushite rescue of Jerusalem from certain annihilation in 701 B.C.E. instigated the Jewish concept of being God's "elect" and was therefore a seminal event in the development of Zionism. Dealing competently with the biblical and historical sources despite what some might see as a lack of formal training in this area (he is a journalist instead of a historian, though he did do graduate work in history at the University of Strasbourg), Aubin asserts that the Kushites black Africans who ruled Egypt at this time saved the city from destruction by the Assyrians. According to Aubin, historians accepted this view until the late 19th century, when colonialism impinged on the European perception of these events; suddenly, the theory that an epidemic weakened the Assyrian army rose to prominence. Aubin asserts that this was one of the most important battles in history; had the Assyrians wiped out Jerusalem, there would have been no Christianity or Islam. Whether or not one accepts his conclusions, this work is a wonderful exercise in historiography.

www.amazon.com

-Sarge

I think sarge and sanantoniorogue forget that black slaves were being sold by BLACK people in Africa to be taken to the new world as slaves.

So I geuss their primary taget of angst should be all those african tribesmen who sold their fellow black folk. Why do I see that missing?

And I also wonder - the whole of Asia and well as South America was also colonized by the white europeans. Yet, people of both those countries have come up strongly enough to now compete globally with and beat the very same european countries.

Yet Africa remains a cesspool - totally down in the dumps and begging for everything from the rest of the world.

Now what conclusion can be drawn from this!

Damn, Corky, Obama has been treated with kid gloves by the media since he entered the race and now that he finally has to answer a tough question you feel he deserves defending? That is pathetic. And his excuses and answers that he gave to David Gregory and to Sean Hannity were pathetic as well.

How in the world should we be expected to believe his denouncement when he sat under this pastors tutelage for 20 years? Obama actually thought this would never come up because the media has been afraid to ask a black man the tough questions, lest they be branded racists. Incidentally, Hannity, whom I'm no big fan of, has been talking about his preacher for a year now. The rest of the media has had their collective heads in the sand. Fucking cowards.


I think sarge and sanantoniorogue forget that black slaves were being sold by BLACK people in Africa to be taken to the new world as slaves.

Matt,
Slavery Was In Greek,Roman,Egyptian,etc cultures, most sold from conquered territory Those were the ones that were sold just as these tribes did, not All or Not Most were sold by Tribes regardless. Who is making Africa the issue ? The issue is Injustice in America, it seems to me you have an issue.

-Sarge

"So if Wright is correct, either Mary was Black or the Lord is Black since if Mary is White and Jesus is Black then his appearance would come from God and not his mother."

There are various theories about the existence of black Madonnas, including but not limited to these:

A Black Madonna or Black Virgin is a statue or painting of Mary in which she is depicted with dark or black skin. This name applies in particular to European statues or pictures of a Madonna which are of special interest because her dark face and hands is thought by some to be the true color.

[I]t has also been suggested by many authors that the medieval veneration of Black Madonnas was in response to a line from the Song of Songs 1:5 in the Old Testament: "I am black but comely, O daughters of Jerusalem, ..."

Black Madonnas portrayed the original skin tone of the Virgin Mary, thus placing the figures in apt historical contexts, as Jesus' family was more likely than not to have semitic colors and features

Black Madonnas portrayed the original skin tone of the Virgin Mary, thus placing the figures in apt historical contexts, as Jesus' family was more likely than not to have semitic colors and features.


en.wikipedia.org

Another reason for Black Madonnas may be the fact that the first homo sapiens, from whom we are all descendents, came out of Africa:

Where do you really come from? And how did you get to where you live today? DNA studies suggest that all humans today descend from a group of African ancestors who--about 60,000 years ago--began a remarkable journey.

www3.nationalgeographic.com

Guys, guys, guys.....this talk about Jesus being black is a bit stupid. First of all, who cares if he was? But secondly, he was jewish and the jews of that time had brown or tan colored skin. This explains the "skin of bronze" in the Bible, and what the pastor claims is proof that Jesus was black. Hair like lambs wool does not siginify an afro. Lambs wool is very soft in many cases so anyone claiming that this description of Jesus' hair is describing that of a black man is speculating at best.

In addition, I would love to see where someone can show that bronze is black.

Gal/Ever/TSG,

Christ's Mother, "The Black Madonna"
is worshiped throughout Europe of all places

saxakali.com

altreligion.about.com

www.cassandraeason.co.uk

users.erols.com

So Christ's Mother looks of Bronze also along with these satements:

Song of Songs 1:5 in the Old Testament: "I am black but comely, O daughters of Jerusalem, ..."

"He had skin of bronze and hair like sheeps wool"

Then Moses lived a life as an Egyptian, I see no reason to doubt the Forensic rendering of Christ. So he looks Black to me along with His mother clearly stating she is Black.

-Sarge

Blacks Commonly Refer themselves as "Bronze"

Men of Bronze: The Black American Heroes of World War I (DVD)

www.directcinema.com

www.blackpast.org


Dubbing themselves "Men of Bronze," the soldiers of the 369th were lucky in many ways compared to other African Americans in 1918 France. They enjoyed a continuity of leadership, commanded throughout the war by one of their original organizers and proponents, Colonel William Hayward. Unlike many white officers serving in the black regiments, Colonel Hayward respected his troops, dedicated himself to their well-being, and leveraged his political connections to secure support from New Yorkers. Whereas African American valor usually went unrecognized, well over one hundred members of the regiment received American and/or French medals, including the first two Americans Corporal Henry Johnson and Private Needham Roberts to be awarded the coveted French Croix de Guerre.


-Sarge

Sarge, - "Who is making Africa the issue ? The issue is Injustice in America, it seems to me you have an issue."

YOU are.

Your every defense of the bigoted Wright, or any other black criminals is based on the justification that 'slavery and white injustice led them to this - this is no fault of theirs'. If injustice on non-whites in America by whites was the only issue, then there would be a helluva lot more Asian, Hispanic and Jewish criminals in the jails.

And just like in America, there were many other countries where white people made slaves out of the natives for their own benefit in the past. But most of these nations have come out of it and are standing up on their own feet.

Your black apology wont work here. I live in New York City and used to live in DC before and there is almost a 100% correlation between how many blacks live in a neighborhood and the crime rate there. And it is WAY WAY too lame to blame white people for that. These areas are politically controlled by the blacks. They get tons of tax money (which incidentally is also coming almost entirely from non-blacks).

Unfortunately, these are controlled by blacks of the Wright kind. They will not ask black people to make sure that their kids are in school. They will not force black men to take ownership of their kids and their families.

But they will blame everything on the whites. Black men more interested in screwing that raising a family - whites are to blame. Single black mothers (who irresponsibly give birth to 3 children they cannot afford) unable to control their kids - must be the whites. Black males disproportionately indulging in crime relative to ANY other race - must be the blacks.

Hell, if Mexicans are hardworking enough to jump over fences and travel thousands of miles to stand outside Home Depot to get day jobs, mow lawns, pick crops or whatever - WHY THE FUCK CANT BLACK MEN DO THE SAME if they claim that they are jobless and have no money?

And it irks me all the more because I am not even white. By constantly attacking whites, blacks are somehow trying to draw in ALL non-white races into their failings. Smart trick but will not work.

The only race that seems to reflexively reach back into blaming the whites is the black race - be it here in America or in Africa. Time to take a reality check and PC bullshit and question what exactly IS wrong here? If it was the white people then other races should have just fared as bad. But they are not.

The reasons lie elsewhere. And you and apologists like you like the Wright spiel because it makes you feel good - not looking at your own faults and blaming some externalities.

Sorry. Wont fly. It is not about whites and no-whites. It is about blacks and non-blacks.



I'm no Bible scholar but when I read statements like these I'd like to think they mean God isn't prejudice.



But to those who are stubborn and do not obey the truth, but obey iniquity, he will render indignation and wrath; He will render suffering and affliction, for every man who does evil, for the Jews first, and also for the Arameans; But glory, honor and peace for everyone who who does good, to the Jews first, and also to the Arameans; For there is no respect of persons with God.

I won't bother going into the reason I left a church not long ago but it wasn't because of any racist bs.

Obama's preacher sounds more like a black panther leader than a follower of Christ.

Ha ha - the chickens ARE coming home to roost.

"In the handful of years Senator Barack Obama has spent in the national spotlight, his stance toward his pastor has gone from glowing praise to growing distance to -- as of Friday -- strong criticism." - NYT

How much more can he lie? Looks like the Kool-aid effect is wearing off.

Okay, so Wright isn't exactly Jeremiah or Jesus when he condemned the moneychangers in the temple, but he isn't a politician either and maybe we shouldn't expect him to speak like one:

As a fairly conservative priest of the Anglican Mission to the Americas, I have no particular affinity with the theological commitments of Rev. Wright or with the United Church of Christ of which Trinity Church is a part, but I do have considerable regard for the prophetic role of clerical ministry and for the right of clergy to speak in a way that is independent of political control and the constraints of popular opinion.

In the biblical book of Jeremiah we find a sobering instance of a single preacher, not subject to the whims of the royal court or the popular desire for a favorable word from God, speaking truth about the coming judgment of the nation. While the court prophets placated the powerful and the people with assurances of deliverance, only Jeremiah was bold enough to speak truthfully for God, announcing that Judah would be dragged into a long exile by an invading Babylonian army. Only Jeremiah was bold enough to announce that this would be the judgment of God on a nation that had established its society on the back of its idolatries and by enslaving the poorest and most vulnerable within it. It turns out that he was right and that the nation was worse off for having turned a deaf ear to him.

Am I suggesting that Rev. Wright is a contemporary Jeremiah and that we should regard the selectively edited sermons we have seen on television this week as the voice of God? Certainly this would be overstating things. While there is much to commend in even the little we have seen and heard there are at least as many overstated and distorted portrayals of our nation and of events that he references. Others are outright falsehoods. That said, I am concerned about the chilling effects of the very editorial process that has mediated those comments to us. Excerpting a ten second sound bite with the words "God damn America" repeated over and over again plays well in a media culture premised on appeals to sentiment and sensation. Let's face it, "God damn America" packs a much greater punch than the fifteen minutes' exposition of a prophetic passage that probably preceded it.

. . .

We expect our politicians to speak with fingers crossed, one eye on the bottom line, and one eye on public opinion polls. We expect the voices in our media to speak with both eyes on circulation numbers and Nielsen ratings, which for them is the sum of bottom line and popular appeal. Because of this we are endangered as a body politic. We risk the damnation of hearing only the echoes of our own cultural prejudices and our own provincial and self-referential values.

With this in mind, it might be wise for us to beware throwing cold water on one of the few remaining places in public discourse where a person can at least attempt to speak to our hearts and minds from a perspective outside ourselves. In a week where one candidate has been repeatedly asked if he would "quit his church" for the impolitic and unpopular views of his preacher, we might also consider whether it might be beneficial for our politicians to hear just this kind of impolitic, unpopular, and potentially transcendent voice.


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Obama on his faith:

Nearly three years ago, before his famous keynote address at the Democratic National Convention, before he spoke to the spiritual "progressives" at Call for Renewal or to Rick Warren's congregation at Saddleback, before he became a household name outside of Illinois, when people who knew him still were whispering about whether -- some day -- the young state senator from Chicago might run for president, Obama sat with me in public at a cafe on South Michigan Avenue and talked about his faith.

He didn't hesitate. No one coached him. He didn't choose his words carefully or tailor his responses. He shot from the hip, giving me candid and complicated answers to my inquiries about his religious history, beliefs and doubts.

At the time, Obama said he was a Christian, that he has a personal relationship with Jesus Christ, that he reads the Bible regularly and prays constantly. He described his conversion experience in his mid-20s, how he walked the aisle at Trinity United Church of Christ one Sunday in a public affirmation of his private change of heart.

. . .

"My faith is complicated by the fact that I didn't grow up in a particular religious tradition. And so what that means is when you come at it as an adult, your brain mediates a lot, and you ask a lot of questions."

There are aspects of Christian tradition that I'm comfortable with and aspects that I'm not. There are passages of the Bible that make perfect sense to me and others that I go, 'Ya know, I'm not sure about that,'" he said, shrugging and stammering slightly.


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"No, no, no, God damn America, that's in the Bible for killing innocent people."

I think what Wright should have said, and what I suspect he really meant, is, "God will damn America, that's in the Bible for killing innocent people."

There are aspects of Christian tradition that I'm comfortable with and aspects that I'm not. There are passages of the Bible that make perfect sense to me and others that I go, 'Ya know, I'm not sure about that,'" he said, shrugging and stammering slightly.

Hey, Spud feels the same way despite the fact that Spud is an athiest/recovering Catholic.

Barack Obama is a good man and a religious man and so wot we see now are the petty politics of personal destruction taking a candidates greatest strengths and trying to turn them into liabilities.

Remember all those asshole Rethugs who wore purple bandaids on their faces to mock Kerry's purple hearts?

Remember the shameless treatment Max Cleland got?

Same thing here.

I think what Wright should have said, and what I suspect he really meant, is, "God will damn America, that's in the Bible for killing innocent people."

Right on the money. Gal Tuesday WINS!

Take a stuffed Panda Bear from the highest shelf!

Be Well.

/Outta here fer a bit. Back later. As ya do,
stage left.

Wow GAL TUESDAY.

And white people invented AIDS to kill black people is explained away by ........

I am waiting. He was on drugs, me is mad, he is suffering from PTSD etc etc. Go on.

"I think what Wright should have said, and what I suspect he really meant, is, "God will damn America, that's in the Bible for killing innocent people.""

Will is certainly implied by the inflection, as well as the comparatives which precede that line. He's certainly not saying it as a wish upon America.

Aramean? WTF?

Matt,

1st Where are you getting off saying I'm making an Excuse for Wright ? I hate his words period, you seem to want to place Black Views as someting that is "All Encompassing". You brought up Africa when I was refering to America, then went on to go on with the short comings of African Nations. I truly could not give a Flying Fuck about Failing States !!! You seem to be Angry and Expect some sort of Blace Excuse from me for poor behavior when I have none and have not displyed Any. I Outline how Wrights views were those of an Angry Man and how from your Outblast about Blacks prove He may Just May have a Valid point. You say so Big Fucking Deal about the Plight of Injustice of Blacks and Get The Fuck Over it. My point was show me where Obama has displayed these Views of Wright, to this Point I have seen none from you; Only "Blacks are not this, and Africa is not that, Begging For, Looking For an Handout Here". So you maintained an obtuse stance for as long as you could until you had to be Uncloated for how and who you are.

-Sarge

Matt,

After further review I too am from New York and served 25 years in the United States Air Force as a AFSOC Combat Controller. I've be around the Globe Hundreds of times. So your views to me can't come close to what I know are facts. Blacks were Enslaved for 300 Years, had no Civil Rights, could not go to Schools, Pools, Denied Jobs,and Had to Fight for the Right to Die for thier Country. Please show me where an Entire Race of people were enslaved for 300 years then treated the way Blacks in America have ? You give me this Colony Comparison which there is none,Colonization and being Shipped Away,Enslaved from your Native Coutntry is nowhere close to the same. None of the Blacks that I have Known have Ever, I Repeat been to jail or became Welfare Queens or have Delt Drugs or Murdered Anyone. Though I know many that were Stopped and Harrased and have been called Nigger behind there backs. Blacks have had there Churches Blown Up, Land Taken Away, Hung, Put in Jail for sitting in a Seat on a Bus, Beaten, Raped, Attacked By Dogs, Fire Housed, Denied the Right to vote, Denied the Right to Marry who they choose, Live where they choose to Live, Denied the right to eat or drink water where they choose,Denied the right to even walk the Street at Night.
So Please, I Repeat Please show me 1 Group of People in America that have endured this ?

-Sarge

Rev. Jeremiah Wright is a racist, and he victimizes his race. First of all, there were black slave owners, there were blacks who profited from selling other human beings for slavery. A very sad commentary on how low human nature can go.

However, slavery is not the main reason anymore for lack of human advancement. Many whites have died freeing the slaves. Rev. Jeremiah Wright hates America and finds every white person guilty because there were white slave owners over 300 years ago...He finds liberation theology as the solution, which has promoted Christ with a gun. It's politics is communism. A classless society he thinks is better, but is it really? Communist countries have oppressed people of all racists.

This man needs some prayer by Christians as he way out there in left field.

Obama is a good man, a fine Christian, a potentially great American who loves his country, and a Democratic/American political rock star.

He can be questioned about his judgement in his close friends and advisors, both of 17 years, Rezko and Wright, who are the polar opposites of everything he represents, but I don't doubt that he does truly represent a positive view of America.


Posted by Corky

which is why he's the best of the 3 right now ~ by far...other than darkie (bronze?)horse Dr. Ron Paul, of course:>)

Do you think both houses of congress will propose a resolution to condemn this racist church and pastors teachings?

Cybercast News Service, February 29th of 2000: "Democrats pushed for a resolution Tuesday to condemn Bob Jones University, the Christian School in South Carolina that has been at the core of an uproar involving Republican candidate George W. Bush. The resolution introduced in both the House and the Senate likely to cause a partisan fight with Republicans, most of whom are backing Bush. Democrats insisted lawmakers have a duty to denounce Bob Jones University. Some complained that Bush's apology didn't go far enough because he didn't address the school's position on minorities. 'I think it's important for the Congress of the United States to have the last word,' said Bob Torricelli, Democrat New Jersey. Added Dingy Harry Reid, 'George W. Bush's stop at Bob Jones University has turned over a rock under which has lived all sorts of bigoted practices.'"

Seeing that the DR is filled with 911 conspiracy wingnuts, I'm sure Obama will be welcomed with open arms. It's the politically correct thing to do for the far left...to hate America. And by extention to LOVE NK, Iran, Cuba VZ, Russia...you name it the dr left hasn't seen a dictator they didn't love.

So a racist spiritual advisor who hates the"KKKA" is a double thumbs up to you loons....

"So a racist spiritual advisor who hates the"KKKA" is a double thumbs up to you loons...."

This isn't something new. The "reverend" Wright even blames the U.S. for spreading AIDS in a 2006 speech at Howard University.

online.wsj.com

Obama HAD to know what this guy was like.

"Hearing Mr. Wright's venomous and paranoid denunciations of this country, the vast majority of Americans would walk out. Instead, Mr. Obama and his wife Michelle have presumably sat through numerous similar sermons by Mr. Wright."

"Mr. Obama obviously would not choose to belong to Mr. Wright's church and seek his advice unless he agreed with at least some of his views. In light of Mr. Wright's perspective, Michelle Obama's comment that she feels proud of America for the first time in her adult life makes perfect sense."


the controversy seems to keep on brewing.. he keeps denouncing, but people dont believe someone that says one thing and did another.


Another thought: it really makes it tough for Obama to say this race isn't about race when a person associated with him keeps on interjecting race. I know the reverend is not Obama's mouthpiece and I know that Obama has distanced himself, but the media (Faux News especially) is just lapping this stuff up.

Posted by taxman at 2008-03-



well let me tell you what I think about it...

this race monger didnt pick obama
OBAMA PICKED HIM and has stayed there for 20years knowing full well of the racial venom being spewed.

and have you seen or heard the crowd reaction when he preaches this HATRED......can he say that he hasnt lept to his feet after hearing some of that HATRED?

and as reported.....he says he wasnt there and people are searhing records and if he was, thats a serious problem he cant just talk away.....
but at least for BARRY HUSSEIN......the spotlight is off of his dealing with rezko and the "repeated laspes of judgement" from a potentiol savior of the republic........
while the dems LOVE SHITS LIKE obama.....I believe he is in serious trouble against mccain.

but you know me.

I dont ever make predictions......

OK OK OK.... Quit reading anything into what he said. This fuckhole is nothing more than a whitey hating fucking nigger (not all blacks are niggers, but this guy is). Plain and simple.

You fuckng libs quit trying to explain this shit away.

I would like some of you bleeding heart libs try to explain wh charlie manson is not respnsible for the murders.

All of you Obama lovers can try and defend him on this one, but sorry most people are not buying it.

This Pastor is someone that Obama has known for years and considers a mentor and a close personal friend. He also brought him on board for his campaign.

Even if what Obama claims is true, that he was not in the church during any of those hate filled sermons, there are still many unanswered questions.

If someone is your close personal friend and mentor, wouldnt you know that persons personal views. These views that the Pastor spews, seems to be something that he would openly discuss with anyone. He has CD's and DVD's of these sermons available on the churches website.

Obama knew exactly what this man stands for yet continued and contunes to go to this church and befriend this man. Still calls him a mentor. Hmmm, aks yourself this question...would you look up to someone and choose them a mentor if your beliefs were so different. I know I wouldnt.

If I walked into a church that preached hate for other men of any race, I would instantly know that I was in the wrong place.

Obama pushes these people away only after negatives come into light. He was friends and bought property right next store to Tony Rezko and only after the news came out that he was going to be busted did the Obama campaign give the money from Rezco to charities.

This man is a snake and if you can't see that now, you are either blind or in denial that your so called savior has lots of negative baggage.

08r4ever has a Manson fetish...and another dump. LOL

I challenge anyone to dig through his blog and find one intelligent post.

I'd go ditto for BLT but I seem to remember one or two that actually made sense.

What a pair of idiots.

I think aggie wants to get on his kness infront of obama. Stupid fucking neck...

Anyone else see the irony in BL2 lambasting Wright for preaching "this HATRED" in the same post he refers to "Barry Hussein"?

Well, now 08r4ever's fantasies have changed from psychotic to homoerotic. He's probably one glory hole shy of going postal. Good thing all he owns is a SuperBlaster squirt gun. What a MohrOn.

"he's shown himself to be contrary to patriotic citizens"

How's that?

You seem to be the one who knows about gloryholes neck.

You seem to be the one who knows about gloryholes neck. 08r4ever

Knowledge is not a bad thing. Only an idiot clings to ignorance. Guess I touched a nerve...

AAAAAAAWWWWWWW now that hurts neck.

"We're fighting against humanism, we're fighting against liberalism...we are fighting against all the systems of Satan that are destroying our nation today...our battle is with Satan himself."

"AIDS is the wrath of a just God against homosexuals. To oppose it would be like an Israelite jumping in the Red Sea to save one of Pharoah's chariotters."

"The Bible is the inerrant ... word of the living God. It is absolutely infallible, without error in all matters pertaining to faith and practice, as well as in areas such as geography, science, history, etc."

"AIDS is not just God's punishment for homosexuals; it is God's punishment for the society that tolerates homosexuals."

"If you're not a born-again Christian, you're a failure as a human being."

-Jerry Falwell (1933 - 2007)


"Our culture is superior. Our culture is superior because our religion is Christianity and that is the truth that makes men free."

"There were no politics to polarize us then, to magnify every slight. The "negroes" of Washington had their public schools, restaurants, bars, movie houses, playgrounds and churches; and we had ours."

"Rail as they will about 'discrimination,' women are simply not endowed by nature with the same measures of single-minded ambition and the will to succeed in the fiercely competitive world of Western capitalism."

-Pat Buchanan (Presidential Candidate)

"You say you're supposed to be nice to the Episcopalians and the Presbyterians and the Methodists and this, that, and the other thing. Nonsense, I don't have to be nice to the spirit of the Antichrist."

"I know this is painful for the ladies to hear, but if you get married, you have accepted the headship of a man, your husband. Christ is the head of the household and the husband is the head of the wife, and that's the way it is, period."

"[Homosexuals] want to come into churches and disrupt church services and throw blood all around and try to give people AIDS and spit in the face of ministers."

"[Planned Parenthood] is teaching kids to fornicate, teaching people to have adultery, every kind of bestiality, homosexuality, lesbianism everything that the Bible condemns."

-Pat Robertson (Christian Coalition)

"They would have us believe that Islam is just as good as Christianity. Christianity was founded by the virgin-born son of God, Jesus Christ. Islam was founded by Muhammad, a demon-possessed pedophile who had 12 wives, the last one of which was a nine-year-old girl."

-Jerry Vines (Southern Baptist Convention)

God continues to lift the curtain and allow the enemies of America to give us probably what we deserve.

-Jerry Falwell (1933 - 2007)

Yeah All These Statement Of Hate Are Ok ?

-Sarge

The US sure has a depressing over-supply of these religious whack-jobs lately.

It's giving decent religious people a bad name.

Now you know where Obama's wife gets her attitude about not being proud of America

"The US sure has a depressing over-supply of these religious whack-jobs lately."

Lately?

Weirdly, when I heard the tapes I thopught I was listening to Ron Paul.

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