What is up with all the apologies? Everywhere people are forced to apologize for something.

What is going on that people cannot just go about their business without trying to control others?

That is what I see demanding an apology as... It is small people seeing an opportunity to "lord it over" someone. They demand an apology and that somehow gives them control over something or someone.

Cripe, take control of your own life. That will keep you very busy. Then maybe you will not have time to worry about everyone else.

"Everywhere people are forced to apologize for something."

Forced????

I don't think so. I think it is more like a calculated attempt to mollify voters who have been offended by the Clinton campaign's tactics.

What about all the white voters, who were offended?

I'm supporting Obama, and I was offended by the Clinton campaign's tactics.

Where's my apology?

I wonder if she was president would she apologize for such behavior?

The bigger issue her is this is what she surrounds herself with as advisors, now think about how our country will be run with that at the helm.

That is what I see demanding an apology as... It is small people seeing an opportunity to "lord it over" someone.

Posted by sawdust at 2008-03-13 08:08 AM | Reply

In Liberal-Land everyone is always a victim, so they are always looking for an excuse to be offended.

If any Rep said he was only there because he was black....


There would be an execution from the left.


Chaos reigns!

The dems are out of their mind as they have lost control of the black vote. BHO is getting 90% of the black vote, has to be killin them.

Look at what the dems are doing? How they have screwed up their own primaries.

Why in the world would you want them running the country?

As bad as things are, they could be worse...

Hillary's apology is rediculous. Nobody could possibly believe her. She and 1988 loser ferarro cooked up thid dish of political shit. I just wish that ferarro had stayed around longer to further destroy the democrat party.

The dems are out of their mind as they have lost control of the black vote. BHO is getting 90% of the black vote, has to be killin them.

The last time I checked, Obama was a Dem. Also, he wouldn't be winning the nomination at this time if he only had the support of black voters. Plenty of his white supporters are dismayed, discouraged and disgusted by the way Clinton has been running her campaign against him. Is she throwing the kitchen sink at him because he's black? No, but lucky for her he is black, so she can have her surrogates raise the race issue in order to smear him. If he wasn't white, she'd have to create an out of wedlock black baby for him.

Hillary's apology is rediculous. Nobody could possibly believe her. She and 1988 loser ferarro cooked up thid dish of political shit. I just wish that ferarro had stayed around longer to further destroy the democrat party.

Posted by fwthom

It takes a man to finish the job, and I'm sure Bubba is up to the challenge.

I just wish that ferarro had stayed around longer to further destroy the democrat party.

Don't worry; she's not gone yet. Now that she has resigned from the campaign she is free to give interviews, as she did last night on NBC. I noticed she likes to way her finger the same way Hillary does.

"I just wish that ferarro had stayed around longer to further destroy the democrat party."

So that then they could be more like the Republican party which is in worse shape than the Dems, and that's saying something. Even with McCain abandoning every principle he has ever held, even with him kissing the ass of people he wouldn't have even shook hands with before....even with all that flip flopping and hypocrisy the Republicans still just can't fall in love with Grandpa.

This is such overblown bullshit, and will of course go away as soon as the next "gottcha" story emerges.

To dismiss Ferraro's entire legislative history and label her a racist due to comment that might be at least ARGUABLY true is preposterous.

And while it sends a shiver down my spine to think so, I may even partially agree with vern on the fact that left-leaning groups get SO worked up over these things that they actually end up harming themselves.

I am an Obama supporter, and I think that Clinton's tactics are despicable, but they PALE in comparison to what the repubs have used and will use again.

Those of us more or less on the left have to learn to suck it up and move along, and not turn into such offended little crybabies every time someone "hurts our feelings".

None of the slime on the right is REMOTELY capable of hurting my feelings, and I would never expect nor demand an apology from any of them.

pander bear.

Does anyone else find this statement odd?


Of Ferraro's comment, Hillary Clinton told her audience: "I certainly do repudiate it and I regret deeply that it was said. Obviously she doesn't speak for the campaign, she doesn't speak for any of my positions, and she has resigned from being a member of my very large finance committee."

Both Clintons are narcissistic low-lifes who don't give a diddly-damn about anything other than themselves.

"To dismiss Ferraro's entire legislative history and label her a racist"

I think its important to note that Obama didn't call her comments racist - but rather labeled them "ridiculous".

I also think its should be pointed out that one can make racially insensitive comments without being a racist. I don't think Ferraro is a racist, but more of an attack dog who said the wrong thing in her zeal to diminish Obama.

I am an Obama supporter, and I think that Clinton's tactics are despicable, but they PALE in comparison to what the repubs have used and will use again.

Posted by midiman at 2008-03-13 09:26 AM | Reply

Isn't this the old "yeah our side is slime, but your guy is still worse" arguement? It was a highlight of several threads the last few days.

Also, Midi, congrats on letting a litle light and common sense creep into your mind. Keep trying. It doesn't hurt.

I also think its should be pointed out that one can make racially insensitive comments without being a racist. I don't think Ferraro is a racist, but more of an attack dog who said the wrong thing in her zeal to diminish Obama.

Agreed. This is what I posted on the topic yesterday:

I don't think Ferraro is playing the race card because she is racist. No, I think she is playing it purely for cold-hearted, calculated, political gain, which is far worse in my book. Racism like sexism is the result of prejudice and ignorance; what Ferraro is doing is the result of knowledge and greediness for power. When people call her on her s--t, she plays the reverse discrimination card and plays victim. Lovely.

Apparently Shirley Chishom said that she had a more difficult time being in politics because she was a woman than because she was black. I wonder if the same is true today? How many women are there in the House and Senate? How many black men?

No, I think she is playing it purely for cold-hearted, calculated, political gain, which is far worse in my book.
Posted by Gal_Tuesday

I don't think anyone says anything that isn't approved by the Clinton camp. There is a pattern of this type of behavior everytime Obama gains momentum.

Political Correctness run amok.

Ferraro isn't a racist and everyone knows it. The only purposeful race-baiting we've seen lately is Obama channeling Malcolm X, using racial code words like "bamboozled", "hoodwinked", and "Okie-Doked", in front of black audiences to try to scare them into thinking Whitey is out to get them.

How pathetic is that?

What happened with Ferraro was no mistake and shrewdly calculated by both Clinton and Ferraro.Those that claim Ferraro spoke out during the heat of the moment only need to be reminded of what she said in 1988 when she ran with Mondale:

"If Jesse Jackson were not black, he wouldn't be in the race," she said.

Really. The cite is an April 15, 1988 Washington Post story (byline: Howard Kurtz), available only on Nexis.

Hillary needs to get used to apologizing.

She has a lot to apologize for.

"I apologize for running for President" would be good to hear.

We won't get that, but "I apologize for losing" may be sooner than we think.

Ferraro isn't a racist and everyone knows it.

Everyone also knows she's made it to the top of Tina Fey's bitch list.

Gal you missed my point, The dems are seeing their policy towards blacks biting them in the ass. For so long they always blindly voted for the reigning dem.

Hillary can not count on that and it is even hitting her in the primaries.

And all the shit the clinton camp is giving for Obama being black. Sounds racist to me.

Isn't this the tolerant party? NOTTTTT!!!!!!!

PS, Barack is as white as black. So he is my white candidate.

chaos

Ferarro's comment that Obama has some political advantage because he is black makes no logical sense. Being blck is probably a disadvantage.
Therefore her remarks are purely political. Ferarro being a professional politician would never say anything to the media accicently. Therefore it must be a deliberate political slime tactics. That Hillary didn't know about it ahead of time and now apologizes is also rediculously improbable.+

She's a monster.

the main point
if i have to state this again

obama is black
he is who he is today because of his experiences
one of those is the obvious
he's black

thanks ferraro for stating the obvious, he is where he is because he is black... ie, he is where he is because of all the choices he made in life and because of all the things he was born with.

one of those is inspiring millions.

he's lucky he is black because he wouldn't have had the same experiences growing up

is it helping him win the election... maybe for 10% of the us population

but i'm not black

the question is why is ferraro bringing the obvious up, we're not blind... she's doing it to bate obama into a race game, making him look bad...

glad obama is calling her absurd
she is absurd

Liberal, home of the racists, especially now that black folks are voting mostly for black folks, the dems never saw it comming.

Gal you missed my point, The dems are seeing their policy towards blacks biting them in the ass. For so long they always blindly voted for the reigning dem.

Hillary can not count on that and it is even hitting her in the primaries.

Okay, I did miss your point. Now that you add "reigning" I get it. I agree that Hillary, as the wife of the first "black president," thought she had the black vote all sewn up.

Geri's song at the next Clinton fundraiser:

I am woman
hear me roar,
shake my finger
and implore
that I know too much
too not sit down and complain
I'm just the one who raises dough
with a long, long way to go

the question is why is ferraro bringing the obvious up, we're not blind... she's doing it to bate obama into a race game, making him look bad...

That would be my guess. Also, I think she wanted to rile up women by claiming women are the most disadvantaged folks in politics. Gotto get out the oppressed female vote!

Clinton Apologizes: Promises Reparations

(AP) Hillary Clinton, visiting a local Rent-a-Center, spoke to a primarily African American audience today. She has promised to clean up her campaign, and award slavery reparations.
The reparations will come in the form of cold hard cash, Kools, Hot Pockets, grape soda, and in apparent counter to Barak Obama, Popeye's chicken for life. The news was met with wild applause.

When she mentioned a $10,000 College Credit, the crowd of approximately 70 went silent.

We won't get that, but "I apologize for losing" may be sooner than we think.

Posted by sitdown at 2008-03-13 10:01 AM | Reply

When Hillary! loses, all I can say is "No apology necessary."

Gal you make great points, dont agree with all but most. I am an idepent, usually vote repub, but will have a hard time voting for Mccain. The possibility is I might vote for Barack in the Gen.
He is the least full of shit of the three canditates, and I bet he would answer the phone sooner than the commercial, just so he wouldnt wake Michelle up, he seems like that kind of guy.

Damn 101, you had me for a second on repat. Damn near a heart attack-bout the only thing I havent had yet. Thanks a whole bunch! ;-p

Hey Klifford,

How are you so sure that Obama grew up black. His black father, like most black fathers left when he was two. He was raised by a white mom and white grandparents. Culturally he is white and genetically he is nixed race.

It is fun though watching the libs obcessing about race and tearing apart their own coalition.

Political Correctness run amok.

Ferraro isn't a racist and everyone knows it. The only purposeful race-baiting we've seen lately is Obama channeling Malcolm X, using racial code words like "bamboozled", "hoodwinked", and "Okie-Doked", in front of black audiences to try to scare them into thinking Whitey is out to get them.

How pathetic is that?




Posted by Corky at 2008-03-13 10:00 AM | Reply | Flag:

Dumbest thing I ever read on this site and that is saying something.

This is the type of ilk HRC gets to support her.

My hand to everything sacred, if HRC gets this nomination I will fight tooth and nail to elect John McCain. He has been the subject of racist attacks as well.

... I bet he [Obama] would answer the phone sooner than the commercial, just so he wouldnt wake Michelle up, he seems like that kind of guy.

Posted by JMFJ



My nominee for best line of the week.

fuck a bunch of apologizes.

"Obama issued a statement and blamed Hillary and Ferraro for disinfranchising his voters."

I guess I missed where the article you linked had anything to do with Obama, Clinton, or Ferraro...

"BOCA RATON -- A crowd of more than 500 people waiting for hours this morning for housing voucher applications were dispersed by police in riot gear at the Boca Raton Housing Authority when the applications ran out sooner than expected."

the Republicans still just can't fall in love with Grandpa.

Posted by danni at 2008-03-13 09:15


in the words of barak HUSSein obama.....

"yes we can"


all right......Ive been waiting to use that. thanks.
in the face of 30 years of a SC appointee from obama or the beast, in the face of a taxhappy dem congress with no veto in the white house, and in the face of alqaida celebrating in the streets of bagdad after their defeat of the 'great satin'.....yeah your damn right we wont fall in love with him, but we will damn sure vote for him.
(here is the place where some smuck will accuse me of being one of those party over country people and then they will turn around and vote for obama because he is black or hill because she has a vagina, and would never vote for a republican no matter what, but STILL they accuse us of party over country...SSSHHHHHH lets watch and see)

I guess I missed where the article you linked had anything to do with Obama, Clinton, or Ferraro...

Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2008-03-13 11:12 AM | Reply

I guess I failed to take in to account the fact that I'd need to explain the joke to a thin skinned Obama-mamma.

Take a look at what color the law-breakers, rioters, societal leaches, etc were. See if you can't connect the dots between the racial make up of that crowd and the faux outrage that people like you have manufactured over comments by Hillary and Ferraro.

If that doesn't help, try removing the stick in your ass.

Thanks Midiman

Shalom
BeHead Them
God Bless

Jewish Muslims for Jesus

Aural version of crocodile tears.

That woman will do and say anything to move back into the White House.

Bush/Clinton/Bush/Clinton 2.0 or Bush 3.0? No thanks!

My apologies,

101 chariborne, I apologize for calling you 101corn-holeo, twice. But you did deserve it.

JonRyker, I apologize because you are a talibaptists.

Dethspud, I apologize that I have fried taters last night. I hope they weren't kin to ya.

Everybody else, I issue a general apology for anyone that I may have called and idiot, a despot, or a low-life heel biting scumdog.

But most of all, I sincerely apologize if I compared anyone to dick cheney, that is totally unacceptable.

and this ferraro deal.
she is standing by her comment and I have never had much use for her but kudos to her for standing up to the PC machine.
she is right on target with her comment because HE HASNT DONE JACKSHIT IN THE SENATE....someone please talk about all of his major legislation or HELL talk about his minor legislation for that matter.
and what has he managed..a city, a state? give us something.
so whats the big deal then? okay lets look.
so he was elected to the senate, good for him but he HASNT DONE MUCH YET and sure, a lot of that is because he hasnt been there long.
so whats the attraction. a few nice catch phrases and.........HE"S BLACK.......and the rest is just a rehashing of the same old democrat socialist agenda that must be stopped.
surely many of you SMART GUYS and critical thinkers and descendents of socrates himself can see how that statement doesnt mean you HAVE to be a rascists. cant you see that and talk about it and not think that I will be wearing a sheet tonight????

Don't worry Lipschitz, I have no idea who you are nor can I ever recall reading your drivel.
Now that I have, I know why.

again, are we so scared of being called names that someone cant even bring the subject up. now when it comes to ferrero, I would imagine that hillary was behind it, to think otherwise is to not know about the power hungry at all costs clinton political gumbas...but I think the same thing and I dont believe any of you could call me a clinton fan.

"I guess I failed to take in to account the fact that I'd need to explain the joke..."

I guess I failed to take into account the fact that you consider yourself to be witty and urbane.

I guess I failed to take into account the fact that you consider yourself to be witty and urbane.

Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2008-03-13 11:32 AM


I'm going to look up "urbane" and depneding on what it means I may come back here and challenge you to a fight.

That woman will do and say anything to move back into the White House.

Bush/Clinton/Bush/Clinton 2.0 or Bush 3.0? No thanks!

Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2008-03-13 11:26 AM


Hilary Clinton's new battle cry is: Remember We Are White.Oh, she's not saying it aloud, but her body language is speaking it loud and clear, says editor & critic Kirkland Perkins."Have you seen her & heard her?" Refering to Clinton's recent barrage of anti Obama campaign ads, Perkins asks."Slipping in the polls, it appears she's resorted to using a code of voice inflection and body language developed in white secret societies that communicates to whites to support her singularly because of her race and appeals to their irresistible sense of racial superiority.

I want to know when Hilary will apologize to Democrats for her endorsement of John McCain as Commander in Chief.

At least Hillary has done the Spadework needed to be president.

Good article on the effective of sexism and racism in job interviewing and hiring practices (running for pres is basically one big interview in which the candidate hopes to get hired for the job):

Clinton has an easier path in some ways. She faces a straightforward, content-filled implicit bias that women are not leaders. Psychologists often say that there are two kind of judgment. One's the automatic, unconscious system--the intuitive system. And the other is the explicit, slow, deductive, reason-based system. The unconscious biases operate on that first system. So what Clinton has to do--and has done very effectively--is always look like a leader, so when people think of her, they think of her as such. She fights the bias directly, and at really no cost other than the work required to maintain that image. No one in the Democratic Party blames her for looking tough as nails all the time and constantly going on about policy.

Obama has a tougher job. The biases against African Americans are just a raw animus in a lot of ways. What you see in the studies is that people associate black with negative imagery, just wholesale, without regard to specific content. Blacks are bad, whites are good. You see it over and over in the unconscious bias literature. So what does he have to fight? He has to fight against being black in a way. He has to have people look at him and associate him with the positive imagery that Americans tend to associate with whites. It's not surprising, then, that his campaign is about very amorphous goals like hope and aspiration. That's the message that can work, because he can't embrace black issues without activating unconscious biases in white voters. That's very difficult to begin with.

On the other hand, Obama risks raising specific concerns among his core supporters--notably, African-Americans--if he fights too hard against being black. There's a specific in-group favoritism among African-Americans--a favorable, explicit self-image that's stronger than what you see among whites. When a black leader seems to be running away from his image as a black person, that's viewed negatively. In order to keep his base, then, he can't deny that he's black. It's a thin line that he has to tow.

I want to know when Hilary will apologize to Democrats for her endorsement of John McCain as Commander in Chief.

Posted by danni at


are you referring to the blurb she made about how she and he were experienced and obama made a speech....is that the case? or is there another time where she talked better about him than obama and if there is, then the plan from the gop gaming the dems is WORKING.

So Leon,

Are you saying that that didn't happen, or that you just don't comprehend the meaning?

If it just about things you don't comprehend, I doubt we have the bandwidth for that discussion.


Posted by Corky at 2008-03-13 10:58 AM | Reply | Flag:

"hoodwinked?"
"bamboozled?"

Please!

One state Ferraro made a clearly racist statement and you respond with Obama's goofy words.

You elitists kill me. You think you can just say something and we (the dumb masses) will accept it. Well Corky, I have done the spade work (forgot about that one didn't you) and I don't fall for it.

If this racist bitch is nominated I will be on the streets fighting for McCain. I can't stand racism an I will fight it whereever it is. McCain was subject to your buddy Rove's racist assault in 2000.

Corky's latent racism has been bleeding through since at least SC.

She are Ferraro are country club racists who talk a good game and go to all the right social events but they don't want "those people" in the neighborhood.

Damn, this is a really interesting article:

Is there anything to be gained by either campaign accusing their opponents of being sexist or racist? It seems to happen every day now. Does the 'victimhood pose' help in any way?

P: Obama, for one, cannot afford to address these things head on. If he gets up and says XYZ is racist and calls people on the carpet about race issues, it will only hurt him. The data supports this view. Studies suggest that when you press people on their gender-stereotypical biases, they kind of laugh it off. Because it's not such a hot issue. They're like, "Whatever. I'm not sexist." But if you press them on their racial biases, particularly in regards to blacks, one of two things happens. If they're low on explicit racial prejudice, they become contrite, apologetic, they want to know what they can do to overcome it. But if they are high on explicit racial bias, they become angry and antagonistic. When you accuse whites who harbor certain levels of racism of racist behavior, it actually makes them angry towards you. And that's why Obama can't afford to push back. He has to acknowledge and affirm that he's black so as not to alienate black voters, but he can't do it in such a way as to raise anxieties among white voters.

Is the calculus different with Clinton? Her campaign has been pretty explicit about pushing back in a way that's centered on her gender, as in the incident with David Shuster at MSNBC.
R: Of course, there are more women then there are black voters, right? It doesn't make blacks angry to point out that blacks are disadvantaged by bias. It makes whites angry. The same is true of gender. In the Democratic primaries she's dealing with a more sympathetic audience among women and to some degree among men. I don't think you'll see that in the general election at all, because she'll be fighting the implicit associations between women and nurturing domestic roles rather than leadership roles. At that point, any effort to play the gender card, if you will, is going to alienate some of the voters she needs--the voters who think it's a good idea for women to stay home.

Leon's not so latent lobotomy is a glowing example of the triumph of surgery over ignorance.

Obama has done anything in the Senate?

I wonder what is worse: doing nothing in the Senate, which I'm sure Spud can present the disagreement to this

or

What they have done in the Senate, like McCain.


Writing Bills doesn't make you a President. Where does a deficit begin? Why does the National Debt grow? It begins in Congress. They control the purse. The idea that doing things in Congress should be congratulated is foolish.

How much has Obama, Clinton, and McCain cost the US by writing and voting on bills?

We need a President that will end spending what we don't have and paying off the ND.

Leon's not so latent lobotomy is a glowing example of the triumph of surgery over ignorance.



Posted by Corky at 2008-03-13 12:01 PM | Reply | Flag

Call me all the names you want. I am exposing you for what you are.

"Where does a deficit begin?"

With the budget, which originates with the President, who also controls the veto pen.

Corky's latent racism has been bleeding through since at least SC.

Corky's behavior precisely follows the demands and needs of the Clinton campaign. Period.

Corky's behavior precisely follows the demands and needs of the Clinton campaign. Period.


Posted by sitdown at 2008-03-13 12:14 PM | Reply | Flag:


Remember when it was all about he delegates?
Now we can't hear enough about popular vote.

Corky is a whore like the Clinton's are. Birds of a feather.

We need a President that will end spending what we don't have and paying off the ND.

That wouldn't be a Republican.

Lobbyists cost us hundreds of billions a year in lost revenue - taxes, outsourcing, and now INsourcing (where they're importing people to do jobs Americans did for half the wage)

Ending THEIR grip on the government should be Job 1.

Only one guy has been saying that and acting on that his entire political career. Obama.

McCain's surrounded by them. Hillary's funded by them. Obama's raised over 90% of his campaign funds from individuals with a $109 average donation.

AmericanUnity,

Obama's contributions don't count. I heard alot were from red states.

Its all about who can get the big donations.

**Corky

-Corky is a whore

But a pricey one at 5K a pop.

For those less bright than your average Black Hole, it was about the pledged delegates until it became obvious that no one would reach the Magic Number.

Now it is about who can win in the fall in the eyes of the SDs, and that not until June to August sometime.

So relax, it is the third quarter of the game and all else is speculation at the moment.

Corky, it's the middle of the fourth quarter by any measure.

You know... Obama 30 states. Hillary 15. 10 to go.

From what I've read, Congressional candidates, gubernatorial, and other downticket candidates would much rather have Obama as the Presidential candidate.

They privately see Hillary costing them seats in Congress and State Houses, as well as handing the WH to McCain via independent voters.

By hook or crook, eh? Emphasis on crook.

Or is it 8 races now? Yep. Virgin Islands, Puerto Rico, and expatriots makes 53 altogether.

BTW My African-American friends and acquaintances are pissed as hell at the Clintons. Don't expect the record turnouts in the general election if Hillary steals this nomination by hook, crook, smears, and innuendo.

"I'm going to look up "urbane" and depneding on what it means I may come back here and challenge you to a fight.

Posted by 101Chairborne at 2008-03-13 11:33 AM"

FF for 101. If I laugh out loud, for real, the writer gets a funny flag.

Damn, this is a really interesting article:

The Romanao guy who wrote it looks to be about 15 years old but other than that it is rather interesting. Spud doesn't quite buy into all of the assumptions here and some of the conclusions are over stated but all in all it were a decent read. Good eye.

R: The states that showed the paradigmatic Bradley effect are New Hampshire, California, Massachusetts and Rhode Island. The states that showed the reverse effect are Virginia, South Carolina, Alabama and Georgia

The authors are so intent to make the story fit their conclusions they ignore a couple of factors here. First, the NH vote was tampered with. The reason the exit polls didn't match the results was NOT the Bradley effect. It was the Diebold/Premier effect. Second, the number of new voters, mostly younger voters turning up to vote for Obama who are rarely reached in the traditional polling process are proving to be more numerous than most people allow for. This means that Obama polls lower than he gets votes in a general sense which is quite the reverse of the Bradley effect. Also the significant numbers of Rethugs that are turning up to vote in the open primaries for Hillary in order to sink the Dems chances in November is also a factor to consider.

As to the general question here, "is race or gender a bbigger liability in the grand interview that is the nominating process in the US in 2008?" Spud thinks that the subject is more complicated than this overly simplistic view would have it.

Obama gains support from certain quarters because he's black and loses in other fer the same reason. Hillary, likewise gains female votes because she's a women and loses them from other for th esame reason. As to the actual numbers? Nobody knows fer certain and anybody who pulls a number out of their ass and claims it as definitive is a bit of an ass themselves.

Spud hopes the planet has progressed enuff that the number of people who vote one way or the other based purely on race or gender are lower than they've ever been before. Spud believes that most folk who pay attention base their vote on things like policy, authenticity, believability, competence, physical and mental health, communication skills and gravitas.

On all those fronts Spud believes that Barack Obama handily beats both Hillary and McCain hands down.

08ama.

Be Well.

Spud hopes the planet has progressed enuff that the number of people who vote one way or the other based purely on race or gender are lower than they've ever been before. Spud believes that most folk who pay attention base their vote on things like policy, authenticity, believability, competence, physical and mental health, communication skills and gravitas.

I hope so too, Spud. I agree that the way race and gender will factor into this race is complex. For my part, I liked the article because it gave me a few things to think about that I hadn't considered before. (And so have you.) For example, I think the people interviewed are right when they say Obama can't confront the race issue head on in the same way Clinton can confront the gender issue.

This is an exercise in insanity.

Ms Clinton is in a "Catch-22." She denies the obvious, that but for his attraction to his own kind, black voters based on race, Mr. Obama would probably be getting some 39% of the vote as he has from white voters.

But because he is black, he gets votes running far above the 90th percentile from black voters. Since they are such a large component of the Democrat Party, that vote provides him with majorities in primaries, where otherwise he would not have them.

Yet everywhere, people pretend to be oblivious to this fact. Insanity. Yes.

If Ms Hillary acknowledges the truth of black racial affinity, she believes that some blacks will find that observation to be offensive and not support her in the general election.

But she may not make it there. But if she does, disappointed blacks nevertheless may not turn out at the polls if Mr. Obama is not selected as the Democrat presidential candidate.

But if he is nominated, he being a demonstrably and demonstrated corrupt politician, and racial demagogue, who has muted his pleas for black support on the basis of race so as to not polarize white folks against him, will find that people "not speaking for" the Republican candidate, and possibly disavowed, will be focusing on the fact that he is a crook with support from various racists, Louis Farrakhan and Rev. Wright among them, communists, and anti-Americans worldwide, which when exposed will present him as a singularly unattractive package.

Obama is the candidate of crooks and racists, but mentioning it is taboo. For the nonce ...

If only blacks had not embraced and supported the Planned Parenthood eugenics agenda of Margaret Sanger, which wanted to weed out" inferior races," and had not had so many abortions, there would now be a projected 45 million blacks in the U.S., and a black candidate would be a shoo-in under present circumstances if he would not have emerged previously. Why we might even have black demagogues who are less smooth than Obama such as Rev. Jackson or Rev. Sharpton, in office.

But because he is black, he gets votes running far above the 90th percentile from black voters. Since they are such a large component of the Democrat Party, that vote provides him with majorities in primaries, where otherwise he would not have them.

The truth is no one knows what percentage of votes Obama would have among blacks, whites, Hispanics, etc. if he wasn't black just like we don't know what percentage Hillary would have among those same voters if she wasn't white and/or a woman.

Bite the bullet, Hillary. Give up on the black vote and get down and dirty.

Tell it like it is girl. You are the victim of racial prejudice.

What sticks in some peoples craws are that the supposed "victims" of racial prejudice in our society, blacks, are acting out of racial prejudice (and without any qualms). Oh. Oh.

Racial prejudice seems to be endemic among groups when it suits their purposes. Except whites, of course, who have striven so hard to eliminate it, and now find it popping up in an unexpected place.

So, they pretend that it does not exist.

How about it deth? do you think black voting clustered for a black candidate has it origin in racial feelings? Shucks.

"But if he is nominated, he being a demonstrably and demonstrated corrupt politician"

Johnson, John McCain moved out of his glass house because he was afraid Barack obama could easily throw stones at it. Puhleeeeeez don't try to denigrate Obama's integrity while one member of the Keating Five is your nominee.

"It's an outrage that no one but Fox news has reported on this"

Welcome "Charly". We're honored you could join us for the "first" time to make that post. But never fear and unbunch your panties. This was even on mild-mannered GMA on ABC, among other places.

Plus it has its very own thread right here on the DR.

"John McCain moved out of his glass house"

Not completely Danni. If we're going to evaluate the impact of religious figures who may have influence on a candidate let's make sure we include McCain's friends, the racist and homophobic Rod Parsley and John Hagee.

Wonder if Johnson has any problem with their views?

I hope so too, Spud. I agree that the way race and gender will factor into this race is complex. For my part, I liked the article because it gave me a few things to think about that I hadn't considered before. (And so have you.) For example, I think the people interviewed are right when they say Obama can't confront the race issue head on in the same way Clinton can confront the gender issue

~Gal Tuesday

Indeed, the article does provide a new perspective and that is worthwhile, Gal. Obama, in a sense, has to distance himself from traditional black power politics and divisive figures like Sharpton in order to be percieved as more the "populist candidate" rather than merely "the black guy". He doesn't have to worry about trumpeting his blackness, however, because there are folks like Johnson out there who will always remind people for him.

Hillary, on the other hand, plays up the gender card on every given occasion. The reason for this is simple, numbers. By continually reminding folk of the "historical" aspect to the Dem race she does two things. First, she appeals to women (50%+ of the general population) while identifying Barack as "the black guy" (a much smaller percentage of the general population) which may well stoke up residual white on black racism as well as historical Hispanic distrust of blacks.

It's a very thought out bit of campaigning, albeit rather nasty, and it is the one consistent theme in her ever changing narrative.

Wozzat? Spud thought he heard a small annoying sound kinda like a mosquito.

Ah, it was just "Tiny" Johnson spreading more of his "Fear of a Black Planet" nonsense.

How about it deth? do you think black voting clustered for a black candidate has it origin in racial feelings? Shucks.

~Tiny Johnson

As the blog-god has previously pointed out. Hillary, the candidate of inevitability, started out with a higher percentage of the black vote. Due to subsequent actions by both candidates Hillary lost many black votes with her dismissive attitude towards Barack and Obama won himself more black votes through his electrifying oratory and common sensical approach to politics.

Spud'll give you props however fer being the most well spoken racist Spud has ever encountered in blogworld. U sure do talk purty, too bad it's mostly a load of racist shite.

Be Well.

/Tiny Johnson has nightmares about the Big Black Caucus!
//Sorry, couldna resist.
///Deth is weak Spud. Laws, Yes.

"It's an outrage that no one but Fox news has reported on this"

Riiiiight/snark>

Actually the larger outrage is the fact that morons like yerself still consider FOX to be a real news network instead of a propaganda outfit full of liars and shills.

They've been playing that racist note fer a while now and guess wot? Only idjits like yerself are getting their panties in a wad over it.

Now ask Spud why that is.

Be Well.

"John Hagee."

Yeah, now there is a real charmer. I'm sure John McCain is proud, proud, proud of this guy that McCain probably wouldn't have given the time of day to a couple years ago....back when he was still.....John McCain instead of the new, reinvented John McCain lookalike mannequin that is running for president.

As if Hagee isn't bad enough, Danni, Rod Parsley is right up there too...

"Senator John McCain hailed as a spiritual adviser an Ohio megachurch pastor who has called upon 'Christians to wage a 'war' against the 'false religion' of Islam with the aim of destroying it.

'I cannot tell you how important it is that we understand the true nature of Islam, that we see it for what it really is. In fact, I will tell you this: I do not believe our country can truly fulfill its divine purpose until we understand our historical conflict with Islam. I know that this statement sounds extreme, but I do not shrink from its implications. The fact is that America was founded, in part, with the intention of seeing this false religion destroyed, and I believe September 11, 2001, was a generational call to arms that we can no longer ignore.'"

Funny stuff .
John McCain is running toward the preachers , while Barrack tries to distance himself from his .
Pols sucking up to everybody . Who would have thunk it .

Spud hopes the planet has progressed enuff that the number of people who vote one way or the other based purely on race or gender are lower than they've ever been before.




What a load of CRAP. Our hero's have changed for example accused carjacker, kidnapper, rappist & murder Letalvis Cobbins has surpassed Savannah, Georgia's Slavery Avenger, Michael Thorpe (known for the Christmas eve slaying of privileged slave fortune heiress, Jennifer Ross) leads 2007 Sexiest & Hardest Ghetto Black Male Felon Bragging Rights competiton. Blacks, like Letalvis, who make their criminal actions into social protests against institutionalized poverty are earning new respect in the black community. "They are Jesuses in Hell,". "But the ressurection of Christ resulted from His descension.

"Opportunities for these brave young men didn't exist. The society that was suppose to support them failed. As their lives were destined to be spent behind bars anyway, we recognize them when their criminal actions are more political than criminal."

Fuck that nigger hatin' cunt!

"The fact is that America was founded, in part, with the intention of seeing this false religion destroyed, and I believe September 11, 2001, was a generational call to arms that we can no longer ignore."

Wow....and John McBush thinks this is a good "spiritual advisor?????"

Me thinks I'm voting for Obama three times.

"Where does a deficit begin?"

With the budget, which originates with the President, who also controls the veto pen.

Posted by Danforth"

Failing argument.

The budget originates with the President, but requires Congress to present any of it.

Veto pen? Override veto.

The President has no money if it isn't granted by Congress.

If you can't override the veto, the Congress must work together to do so. Ignore the President. He or she is penniless without Congress. Not even an act of National Security gives him money.

Danni, You should be offended. However, as you know, Clinton's apology was pure politics. Her campaign is walking a fine line with their insertion of race into this campaign. Likewise, I'm sure some of her key black supporters have called on her move away from this as it may alientate black voters this fall.

Danni, You should be offended. However, as you know, Clinton's apology was pure politics. Her campaign is walking a fine line with their insertion of race into this campaign. Likewise, I'm sure some of her key black supporters have called on her move away from this as it may alientate black voters this fall.

"Veto pen? Override veto."

Well, in 2009, when there will be a 2/3 majority of Democrats in both houses, we'll probably be able to do that.

Doofus.

-Hillary, the candidate of inevitability, started out with a higher percentage of the black vote. Due to subsequent actions by both candidates Hillary lost many black votes

More Theatre of the Absurd.

Obama was always going to take the vast majority of black votes in SC after he did well with white voters in Iowa and NH.

The only surprising thing is that Obama still thought he needed to play the race card there by having his flunkies collect innocuous statements by the Clintons, convolute them as racist in memos sent out o the press, fanning the flames of his supposed victimization.

When will Obama be apologizing for his Race-baiting Reverend?

A day late and a dollar short and quite transparent, but at last she gets visceral.

I think it is more like a calculated attempt to mollify voters who have been offended by the Clinton campaign's tactics.-Danni

Do you really think it matters whether they are calmed down any by an apology?



RASMUSSEN POLL:

Likely Dem Voters Nationwide

Black: Obama 81% Clinton 7%
White: Clinton 50% Obama 39%

This is the most Wonderful thing I have ever seen, I am loving it ..for years the Democrats continually browbeat and programmed blacks.."Listen to us Negro..we will take care of you, we will give you luxurious Living accommadations(and we have Cabrini green), We will give you a bountiful feast (food stamps)we will protect you and keep you from Harm (Detroit, Baltimore, etc..etc..) Just keep voting for us, if you vote for those racist republicans, they will put you in rail cars to the extermination centers"..NOW, Blacks have a candidate that is Black and the Democrat establish mennt is saying "Wait, Negro, we promised we would keep you in your enclaves, we never promised to share power'..So Now the Chickens have come home to roost. It is so funny to say the Race Card played against Liberal Icons..you dems brought this all on yourself by convincing the black communty, everything that didn't go their way was racism..enjoy the bed you made...LMAO

And as always "Arise my Hillbilly brotheren..for the Jihad is upon us.."

"Veto pen? Override veto."

Well, in 2009, when there will be a 2/3 majority of Democrats in both houses, we'll probably be able to do that.

Doofus.

Posted by Jomama

If the DNC gives the candidacy to Clinton after Obama leads going in, we'll see who the Doofus is.

The Dems should have had a clean sweep of 2008. At this rate 2/3 majority is a dream and 1/3 if Clinton is on the ticket.

This is precious Cork:

"Obama was always going to take the vast majority of black votes in SC





...after he did well with white voters in Iowa and NH."

LOL.


"The only surprising thing is that Obama still thought he needed to play the race card there by having his flunkies collect innocuous statements by the Clintons, convolute them as racist in memos sent out o the press, fanning the flames of his supposed victimization."

Why assume there was a plan? The Clinton's did enough all by themselves to make any campaign's wet dreams come true. You gotta pity the Corko...probably getting $6 an hour to post your daily rants (ie. same talking points you hear all over cable news the very same day).

Lil' Kevy tried out for the Emperor's Club VIP and DID get offered $6 an hour. But he insisted on knee pads so they threw him out.

Corky, was THAT seriously the best response you could muster? A bad Spitzer reference? Geez that's f'n lame.

Clinton and her entire camp are a bunch of racists. Hillary, Bill and old Geraldine Ferraro should just make it official and start burning crosses on lawns. Even Bill Clinton's mentor Sen. Fulbright was a proud segregationalist.

Then again, being racist is part and parce of being a Democrat from supporting affirmative action to still supporting currently seated Sen. Byrd (Democrat) who was a long and ranking member of the Ku Klux Klan