Of course he did!

Time for Hillary to step aside for the good of the Nation and the Party.

Go Obama Go!

oy! that headline said he won on the back page... no matter I know he will!

Obama08!

It was just called. Obama won. Waiting on the percentages now for delegates.

YEA!

I don't give a damn,,,John McCain is the next President of these United States,,,the powers to be will see to it.......Glenn61 (Google my name)

Whoopee. Another state where shoes are an afterthought. Color me impressed.

Keep this big as long as possible, let every one see the OBAMA WINS.

Rogers - thanks for giving me the credit on this. I appreciate it pal. :)

I'll drink to that...

Wis - I agree - its only Lambrusco, but you know.

She won 69 percent of Southern white males.

Wonder if she fainted?

Also, 78 percent of white women. So much for him breaking into that strength.

Obama got 90 percent of the black vote. I wonder if the black vote was up or down, as it was down in Texas from 2004.

So why are the Clintons hinting Obama might be ready to step up to the VP slot by August?

It'll be interesting to see how far the Clinton team will tear apart the Dem party.

Election day deciders were the same as almost every election, 55-44 for Clinton.

Election day deciders were the same as almost every election, 55-44 for Clinton.

Posted by Corky at 2008-03-11 08:41 PM | Reply

Wow. That's an amazing statistic!

But ...............




She lost.


Waah!

She won 69 percent of Southern white males.

Also, 78 percent of white women. So much for him breaking into that strength.

Obama got 90 percent of the black vote. I wonder if the black vote was up or down, as it was down in Texas from 2004.


I have to laugh at this, they can't tally exactly the final numbers yet but they know these percentages.

Looks like the voting is anonymous.

STFU Corky....me and Litlebritdifrnt are having a drink.

Sorry Corky I forgot Mississipi doesn't count, just like the other states that Obama won, INCLUDING TEXAS!, oops forgot that minor point.

He'll pick up 4-5 delegates.

If less than 100 delegates separate them at the convention, and no one has 2024, then the SDs will go to popular vote, which she should have by then with Penn and FL, and also to who won the big battleground states, not who won red states.

How many Utahs does it take to make an Ohio, btw? lmao

Oh yeah and where are Hillary's tax returns? Huh? Nothing to hide? Where are they? Defend that Corky. I want you to come on here and come up with a rational and reasoned position as to why the Clinton's have not released their tax returns. Do it Corky. Right now. I am waiting.

I hope that the Obama camp is wise enough to now downplay the Pennsylvania primary and instead focus on both North Carolina and Indiana.

Why?

Because those two states combined vote on May 6th and have more delegates than PA does!

Don't waste too much money or too much time in a state ripe for the racially tinged smears of the Senator's supporters. Make a concerted effort, focus on where the polls are today and claim that breaking into the low teens is victory in the Obama book, and wipe the floor with her in NC and IN. Stop playing the game by the Clinton metric and play to your own strengths.

The Clintons are loathed in IN. The only fly in the ointment is whether the GOP decides to reek mischief by coordinating another GOTV for Hillary. Indiana has an open primary.

So nice to see you are disenfranchising all of the people who have voted for Obama Corky, so democratic of you, so Hillary of you. Are you still claiming that Hil won Florida, when no-one campaigned? Oh sure Hil should get FL, cause she broke the rules.

And let no one forget, Hillary only wants to be President of the BIG states, she doesn't what to be POTUS.

I say we give her the Marianas Islands and call it a day.

You don't diss 5/6 of America and then claim to be the best candidate for everyone. Most people aren't as myopic as certain cynical Clinton supporters. They actually think that their vote counts just as much as those coming from singular voters in CA, FL, OH, or NY.

Again, according to corky and hillary, Ohio is the only state that counts.

WHY DOES SHE EVEN GO ON TO OTHER PRIMARIES, OHIO IS THE ONLY ONE THAT MATTERS.

As usual f**king crickets when it comes to the Clinton tax returns. How original.

- Defend that Corky

Where are Obama's tax returns? We ONLY have last years from him, put out so that he makes folks like you spin around the room looking for her tax returns.... on a fishing trip with no clue as to what you are looking for, just some insinuation of wrong doing by Obama.

She has 7 years worth of required Senate disclosure out there, and 15 tears of previous tax returns.

From Obama? Not so much. Only last year's returns and his Sen disclosures.

Obama is ruining the democratic party.

Obama can put stop to all this speculation.

All he has to do is win Pennsylvania and it will all be over.

Or is it too much to ask of a Dem candidate to win a Dem only primary in a major battleground state?

Hey Obama is Half a Hayseed (That's a Kansan For You nonKansans)that's good enough for Me.

Larry Mohr

Whoopee. Another state where shoes are an afterthought. Color me impressed.

Not always practical but I love going barefoot when I can.
Does that make me a hick out here in California?

Obama is ruining the democratic party.

How? By winning fairly and not using Rovian tactics to defeat the vaunted Clinton Machine?

Sixty-seven percent said Obama inspires them the most about the future of their country, and 61 percent said Obama offers the most detailed plan.

This is Mississippi people, allegedly one of the lesser educated electorates in America. If this is the message they've received, it doesn't bode well for Hillary whatsoever. She shouldn't even bother visiting North Carolina.

Lol, Tony.

All those general numbers are skewed to the population. Over half the voters are black and 90 percent of them voted for him.

Of course they poll something completely different from a more typically demographic state, oh, say like Ohio, or any National poll, where she wins all the categories you mention.

Corky - the Clintons have not released any of their tax returns since Bill left office, why is that? WHY IS THAT? Obama showed that he only JUST paid off his student loans thanks to the book sales. Go on deflect Corky, I want those tax returns, I want to know how the hell a junior senator from New York is able to loan her campaign $5 million dollars, 5 f**king million dollars? Where did it come from Corky? You are obviously a Clinton campaign insider where did the 5 million come from? I want to know, I believe the electorate has a right to know where that 5 million came from. If you don't then you are simply an idiot.

All he has to do is win Pennsylvania and it will all be over.

He doesn't have to do SQUAT in PA except keep Hillary from topping 60%.

Obama has always run to be the President of 50 states, not just those with favorable demographics for his message.

Look at me...I just used "favorable demographics". Who would have thought that a man named Barack Hussein Obama would be kicking Hillary's butt all over white, rural America?

I know one person that didn't. Her name is Hillary.

- Where did it come from Corky?

Books, Sugar Plum.

Only an "idiot" wouldn't know that.

But you'll see the big bad tax forms that Obama has got you all hot and bothered about before Penn.

Obama still held the lead among voters casting their decisions on a range of issues. Of those who picked the economy as their top concern, 54 percent went for Obama and 45 percent went for Clinton.

Both are economic illiterates. All they know how to do is spend and regulate, the very things that got us in this mess.

Sixty-seven percent said Obama inspires them the most about the future of their country, and 61 percent said Obama offers the most detailed plan.

So did Hitler and Mussolini.

Political office is like marriage. No how attractive the other looks, you never know what you are getting until you are legally bound together. Power corrupts. Always has; always will. You little boys are playing with fire.

"favorable demographics"

Those happen to be the mainstay voters of the Dem party.

-Obama would be kicking Hillary's butt all over white, rural America

You mean like today in white rural America where he "kicked her butt" to the tune of losing Southern white men (!!) by 69 percent, and white women by 78 percent?

That kind of butt kicking in white rural America?

Corky...

You keep highlighting the differences between Obama Democrats and Hillary Democrats.

You guys just keep trying to win the big states, give the GOP all the flyovers, and put all your money on Ohio and Florida. How has that strategy worked out without a third party candidate drawing from the GOP?

Its NEVER worked!

Obama has always run a 50-state campaign and this is why Hillary cannot catch him regardless of how much mud she throws. To me it just shows how many Democrats can be swayed by the same fear tactics that cost the party both the 2000 and 2004 elections.

Obama's margin of error is far greater than Hillary's and let's by frank for a second. Obama is not going to lose CA, MA or NY. FL, NJ, OH are shakier at present, but Hillary isn't helping him any, is she? But he's going to cause the GOP to spend money in more states than Hillary will. They don't have it, and they aren't going to get it.

Obama is winning across America because more people are enthused with his campaign because they feel like they own it, and they truly do. Obama is the WE candidate.

Hillary owns her campaign all to herself. She might share a little with women, but more so she can win imo. Nothing wrong with that at all, but its foolish not to compare the differences.

That kind of butt kicking in white rural America?
Posted by Corky


What about Utah and Wyoming? How do you explain those?

Books? Hillary never made 5 million from her book. Prove it. Prove it by showing me the tax returns. Good gawd Rawlings only made that much from Harry Potter. I want the tax returns Corky, show them. Without them Hillary and her beau are simply being evasive. Tax returns Corky, now, today, yesterday, I want those tax returns. If she is not willing to release them then she is obviously hiding something. Someone with nothing to hide has no problem being transparent. Tax returns. End of story.

And everyone please notice that Corky spends the majority of his time driving wedges into the Democratic electorate. Why Corky?

Its one thing to mention trends but its another to pit Dem vs. Dem the way you do. The only count that matters is the vote total. All the rest is superfluous chatter for us politico geeks.

If less than 100 delegates separate them at the convention, and no one has 2024, then the SDs will go to popular vote ...

My guess is that there's no way superdelegates will go against the pledged delegate leader who won more than half of the states. The popular vote, even if she manages to win it, is not going to legitimize a leader the way pledged delegates have.

Clinton's shot was to win big in Texas and Ohio and knock a big chunk out of Obama's delegate lead. She couldn't pull it off.

Her ugly kitchen-sink attack campaign is alienating people. I have trouble believing I could vote for her in November, given the way she's currently running, and I've been a yellow-dog Democrat almost my entire adult life.

Clinton can put stop to all this speculation.

All she has to do is win every state by 75% and it will all be over.

Or is it too much to ask of a Dem candidate to win any state?

-Utah and Wyoming

About 8000 Dems caucused in WY, and as with most of the small red states, it is the Party activists who run and promote those Party-building activities.

He carries them because the activists are the more Liberal, anti-war Howard Dean mailing list Dems.

TR

I'm not sure what you said other than, "Clinton BAAAAD!, Obama GOOOOD!, Ugh!"

"Whoopee. Another state where shoes are an afterthought. Color me impressed."

Well, that explains Haley Barbour.

Elliot Spitzer is a super delegate, a sure vote for Hillary. He's probably not going to be around much longer.

Clinton is expected to take the issue to the Supreme Court because she believes that the popular vote should make her president.

Screw the electorate.

What is scary is SCOTUS might give it to her. They need McCain in there.

big whoop!

As a Republican, I am hoping this democrat contest goes all the way to the convention and hillary steals it. We can count on hillary and loser ferarro to trash Obama along the way. There will be a lot of pissed off black folks. If we can convince just 20% of black voters to vote Republican we could make the dems a minority party for the next 40 years.

How about running Obama for Republican V.P. after hillary steals the dem nomination, delicious.

"One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we
tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. The bamboozle has captured us. Once you
give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back."
-Carl Sagan

HOWever,it is rich to see whats going on in just this thread as a micro.. of the national scene.read here how this fight is pitting one socialist democrat against the other giving us point after point to use come november.
national review, I believe it was, came out with last years ranking and AGAIN, the most liberal senator in the US senate was barak HUSSEIN obama,so win missislippi and vermont all you want, and hillary, go ahead and brag about winning texas when it is estimated that 500,000 of your votes were repubicans voting for you because it was an open election.

.......go mccain.......

-there's no way superdelegates will go against the pledged delegate leader who won more than half of the states.

Depends on the size of the pledge delegate lead, given no one has reached the 2024. If it is around 100 out of nearly 4000 that will be out there, then it is a minor consideration.

And the number of states is not as important as winning the big battleground states and doing it with the traditional Dem blue-collar voters.

If Obama is the candidate, he and McCain will split Indies, and Obama will have weak support among Latinos, who voted over 40 percent for Bush. He has yet to prove he can win and among the blue-collar Party base in places like Ohio, Penn, and Michigan, where McCain will take up residence the rest of the year.

And one must consider that among those blue-collar workers are Reagan Dems. Also soccer moms who vote scared for Repubs.

We'll see what the scenarios are in June. There aren't going to be a lot of SD's endorsing until then unless he can win Pennsylvania.

And then they are tasked with following their conscience and vote for whoever they think can win in the fall.

"There is one safeguard known generally to the wise, which is an advantage and security
to all, but especially to democracies as against despots. What is it? Distrust."
-Demosthenes

I don't tend to depend on "stats"; see: polls, that are 9 months out and about as reliable as Brownie in a hurricane.

Obama will have gone through the GOP Swift-boat machine by then, which if he keeps whining the way he is now and responds as poorly to the minor attacks he's had so far, will lower his numbers significantly.

Or, if his Sr Staffers keep telling foreign press and governments something different than he says on the trail.

national review, I believe it was, came out with last years ranking and AGAIN, the most liberal senator in the US senate was barak HUSSEIN obama

I think it's National Journal. They said Senator Kerry was the most liberal senator four years ago. Funny how that works out. You'd think they had some kind of vested interest in making the Democratic candidate look like a hard-left liberal in an election year, or something.

I don't tend to depend on "stats"; see: polls, that are 9 months out and about as reliable as Brownie in a hurricane.

Then I must be having a discussion with the other Corky, the one who just posted this:

If Obama is the candidate, he and McCain will split Indies, and Obama will have weak support among Latinos, who voted over 40 percent for Bush.

I get it, "your feelings" are actually more accurate than polling! What was I thinking?

Care to tell me what you and the polls said a year ago about Obama's chances of beating Hillary in 2008?

Karnac you're not.

If it is around 100 out of nearly 4000 that will be out there, then it is a minor consideration.

An Obama lead of 100 delegates in August means that he's led by at least that much for the previous six months. Six months of the media describing him as the frontrunner. Six months in which any remaining uncommitted superdelegates could have helped knock Obama off by supporting Clinton but didn't actually do it.

I don't see it, Corky. If it happens it will be an amazing and brazen act of the Clintons exerting their will over reality.

Yes, it was National Journal. Somehow they managed to come up with a formula ranking Obama as more liberal than socialist Bernie Sanders.

Obama will have gone through the GOP Swift-boat machine by then, which if he keeps whining the way he is now and responds as poorly to the minor attacks he's had so far, will lower his numbers significantly.


Posted by Corky at 2008-03


well of course its only the repubicans who have groups anywhere near what you are talking about.
I am sure that none of you have ever heard of george soros or moveon.org....or I guess its different because its republicans in the crosshairs of thier lies.......swiftboat has never been nor ever will be a verb.



rcade.....so then maybe we should look at how they get their numbers and come up with that because what you say does make it suspect, but I have a feeling they have numbers to back up their ranking and him being the same LAST YEAR when he was really under the radar....does that make a difference?

and we really dont need any mag or group to show us that he and also hillary are socialists.
all you have to do is listen to them.

Rcade...

Hillary Clinton has never held a pledged delegate lead one single day of the entire primary season!

Obama started ahead and has remained ahead through every single state.

If Hillary could say this, she'd shout it from the rooftops every day to all that could hear.

No matter what Clinton throws at Obama, he keeps on keeping on, stumbles and all. I actually hope the GOP tries some of the same tactics that Hillary and her supporters have tried so far. They aren't working now, and they'll work even less after the convention when America is introduced to Obama as the Democratic nominee.

-I get it, "your feelings" are actually more accurate than polling! What was I thinking?

Some people prefer thinking for themselves as compared to polls for 9 mos from now.

-Six months of the media describing him as the frontrunner.

If he loses Pennsylvania, Florida, Michigan, maybe a couple of more, than finishes losing PR, which has 63 delegates, then your scenario is washed out.

He won't have been considered the front-runner, much like he isn't really now and won't really be in Penn, or after.

My scenario is just as likely as yours, imho.

Tony. that well will be dry by then. You know it, I know it, and John McCain ain't that thirsty. He'll run a respectable campaign.

Again a deflection. I want her tax returns Corky, not today, but yesterday. I want them. The electorite has a right to them. Why will she not release them Corky? WHY? I want your answer on that now. Not spin, not deflection, I want your answer as to why she will not release her tax returns NOW. Waiting.

Oh Don't worry Lil Brit the KRUSTS graduate will have some excuse for Ya.

Larry Mohr

Waiting.

Posted by Litlebritdifrnt

How's the wine holding out? This may take awhile....

If hillary wins the legions of Clinton haters, 50% of the voters will come out to vote against her and the young voters who were energized by Obama will stay home.

Thom the clinton hater

Wis - I am about to exit stage left as the Spud would say, singing as I do..... red red whinnnnnne, stay close to meeeeehhhhhheeeee

LOL Litlebritdifrnt. Great job tonight.

Tick Tock Tick Tock--;o)


It doesn't matter what Obama wins--Hillary will never leave--never give up--and she will take away the nomination--come hell or high water.

It will come down to the SD's and they will break for Hillary.

Hopefully they wait until the convention--but the smart thing to do is give it to her June 8th. Can they do that or are they forced to wait until August?

Murphy

According to what I heard today on TV:

1. Obama won Texas since he got more delegates and it's delegates who go to the convention.

2. In California provisional balltos, etc, are comming in and Obama might pick up a few delegates there.

3. Same with some districts in Ohio.

4. in today's primaries, only 14% made up their mind the last day.

5. Obama needs to win only 46% of the remaining total delegates, both pledged and super.

6. Clinton would have to win every race from now on by 64% or more and this number grows more every time there is a primary and she doesn't reach the treshhold.

Conclusion:

The Dem candidates will spend millions to convince a few undecided voters to vote for them when it's clear that Clinton would need to win by wide margins to win the nomination. This monetary cost doesn't take into account the political costs of both candidats bashing each other, espcially Clinton bashing Obama.

Also, Obama should not be afraid of having revots in Florida and Michigan. He looks weak by insisting he followed the rules. Yes, it is true that Clinton wants to win at all costs, but he should approach this from a position of strength and projecting confidence that he will win those two statse, in other words, show no fear of a revote.

So Obama is 130+ delegates ahead how can Hillary catch him now?

Maybe if we include states he didn't campaign in? Even then I might give MI to Obama.

Sorry but following the rules is the example that should be given, it send a total new message to the people and can't believe it is being bashed.

No wonder our nation is corrupt, following the rules is portrayed as being a bad thing. Amazing, simply amazing.

Doing the right thing is no longer a good thing in America.

Maybe it isn't that Hillary wants to win, but wants Obbama to lose. That way she can run again in 2012

Hellary doesn't give a shit about the Democratic Party nor the United States. It's all about Hillary Hillary Hillary. God I hate that Thang.

Larry Mohr

Hellary doesn't give a shit about the Democratic Party nor the United States. It's all about Hillary Hillary Hillary. God I hate that Thang.

Larry Mohr

Larry, do you have Hillary Allergy Syndrome? I know I do.

ABH, anybody but Hillary.

Member--

The math is all there for Obama--but HIllary will win both MI and FL and take the popular vote over Obama.

That is why he doesn't want a re-vote.

The DNC with Dean and the Clintons (possibly) screwed this pooch. Dean is responsible for FL and MI--instead of compromising and giving half the delegates to the candidates and hold the rest for the convention--Dean made the situation that it is today. The Repubs awarded like half the delegates to the candidates and the rest go to the convention. They did it right--because votes count and people count and oh yeah--the States decide what to do with their elections--NOT the RNC or the DNC.

They thought with front loading the primaries that Hillary would have the coronation on Feb 5th--that explains why she has been behind in organization and caucuses after Feb 5th.

The other issue, of course, is that Obama is the invisible man. He dropped into the race as the black face during the debates. He wasn't supposed to win anything.

This was supposed to be Hillary's deal.

And it still is Hillary's--

Murphy

I hate the damn bitch. Hate Her just as much as I hate Dubya. She is Dubya in a dress. Hell the way GHWB Fawns all over Bill Clinton You might has well call Hillary Dubya's sister in law.

Larry Mohr

They actually think that their vote counts just as much as those coming from singular voters in CA, FL, OH, or NY.

and

WHY DOES SHE EVEN GO ON TO OTHER PRIMARIES, OHIO IS THE ONLY ONE THAT MATTERS.

I had a similar thought. Following Hillary's logic, why not just have primaries in big states and save the a lot of time and money by not having to campaign in the rest of the country? Or better yet, why not just have primaries in those states Hillary is likely to win? Hmm, best of all, lets skip the primaries and just coronate Hillary?

Don't you mean Hillary is W in a pantsuit?

;o)

Murphy

Hey Gal--

That is Hillary's logic.

"Count the votes until I win." Signed Hillary..

They will do a re-vote in FL and MI--it's nice to see the fly in the ointment Sharpton will do his usual and file a lawsuit to stop a second vote.

It just keeps getting better and better.


Murphy

Obama can put stop to all this speculation.

All he has to do is win Pennsylvania and it will all be over.

Or is it too much to ask of a Dem candidate to win a Dem only primary in a major battleground state?

The reverse is also true: Clinton can put a stop to all this speculation.

All she has to do is somewhere else and it will be all over.

Or is it too much to ask of a Dem candidate to win an open primary in a nonmajor battleground state?

Her ugly kitchen-sink attack campaign is alienating people. I have trouble believing I could vote for her in November, given the way she's currently running, and I've been a yellow-dog Democrat almost my entire adult life.

You aren't the first yellow-dog I've heard say that, and I reckon you won't be the last.

Even if Hillary wins MI and FL I still think Obama would win. In the Jan 15 primaries, Hillary was the only one in the ballot in Michigan (of course, there was Kucinich and Gravel). Hillary got 55% of the vote. Uncommited go about 40% of the vote. Those who voted uncommited where Obama and Edwards supporters. In Detroit and Flint, mayority black cities, uncommited beat Hillary. Let's say there is a revote, it would not be far fetched to think Hillary will win by 55%, maybe, maybe, 60% if she is lucky.

In Florida I don't know, but considering Obama is more well-known now, I sure he will be more competitive.

I hate the damn bitch. Hate Her just as much as I hate Dubya. She is Dubya in a dress. Hell the way GHWB Fawns all over Bill Clinton You might has well call Hillary Dubya's sister in law.

Larry Mohr

Posted by LarryMohr


whoa bud......call the lifeguard....you have gone off the deep end.......

"whoa bud......call the lifeguard....you have gone off the deep end......."

I actually believe that Larry is one of the most sane people here.

remember also
the whites in mississippi are the most racist

they didn't officially ban slavery in Mississippi until 1995

mother f'in NINETEEN NINTY FIVE!!!

you think them thar mikkkikkkippians would vote for a black person??

So far he's won 60 counties. Hillary 17

Another primary that doesn't matter, eh?

Scroll down to look at the map. Almost all Obama.

I'm sure Corky will be along to tell us why it doesn't count.

Pssst: Her minimal gains from March 4th are now wiped out and she'd further behind.

Hillary may win Pennsylvania, but North Carolina comes right after that. That should be a big win for Obama. And yes, he's won in a lot of states - and by huge margins at that - that could turn blue in the fall.

I actually believe that Larry is one of the most sane people here.

Posted by member2586 at 2008-03-11 11:10 PM | Reply


I'm Terrified now.

Larry Mohr

I've been reading the exit polls and 12% of the voters identified themselves as Republicans, and Clinton got 75% of that vote. That's 9% of her total are people who will vote for McCain in the general.

This is like a third party within the primary boosting her numbers. This may be the business lobby who really doesn't care, but they don't want Obama to be the nominee.

How accurate I don't know, but they split the hill country up north so at least that's 50-50.

Take away those Republicans and her % shrinks, giving Obama over 60% of the vote.

Triple the turnout in the Dem primary over the R's. How's that party unity working out?

So Obama is 130+ delegates ahead how can Hillary catch him now?


That's including superdelegates.

He's 170 ahead without them. Superdelegates should be voting for who won the most elected delegates.

We don't hand out the Presidency based on the popular vote (which Obama is leading even with FL and MI). We award it based on 'Electors' - delegates so so speak.

The turn out numbers are big for the Dems--but mainly because they are the party out of power and they are fired up.

The general will be different though with Repubs coming out in droves to beat back the liberal candidate--whoever they are.

NC will never go blue--it's not even purple.

Murphy

I heard Chuck Todd say today that it will be very hard for Hillary to catch Obama in the popular vote. He said even if they gave her FL as it now stands, she would only pick up 300,000 votes which would leave another 300,000 plus she'd need to get. He also said that Obama could make some of the states that usually go Republican in the fall competitive for Dems, something Hillary isn't as likely to do. Don't underestimate the power of the anti-Clinton vote if she is the nom.

"Obama is ruining the democratic party.

Posted by chris1971"

Obama IS the new Democratic party. Clinton represents the last vestiges of the old guard and the old guard isn't going down without a fight.

But it will be their last fight, win or lose.

With 92% Obama has picked up nearly 80,000 more popular votes than Clinton.

That's just about what she beat him by in Texas with almost 6,000,000 votes.

MS total vote right now is 369,000

AU--Yes your common sense argument is correct.

But in Hillaryland--she is arguing that she will have the most popular votes and that the SD who haven't made a choice--need to choose her! You know she won the big states! She has the most votes.

Obama won in states that don't matter because they will go for McCain in the general. So those don't count!

Neither person can win with the pledged delegates--it will be up to the SD to make the final decision.

They are allowed to choose either candidate.

We'll have to see how powerful the Clintons are--my money is on them to pull this out from Obama.

Murphy

With 92% Obama has picked up nearly 80,000 more popular votes than Clinton.

Chuck Todd predicted he'd pick up around 50,000, so anything over that is good news.

Dear Hillary: It is now time to quit for the good of your party. You cannot win without destroying it and giving the USA McCain as president. You lost.

But maybe Obama could use you as his VP, right corky? : D

You know she won the big states!

All but Ohio usually solidly Blue. Texas won't be Dem in the fall anyway. He did 'win' there as the delegate count indicates. And this is a race for delegates.

We'll have to see how powerful the Clintons are--my money is on them to pull this out from Obama.

Murphy,

I just don't know. Most Democrat insiders think Obama will help far more downticket candidates and Hillary will hurt them. There are hundreds of superdelegates running for reelection this year, and lots of open seats. Hillary will hurt the Dems all down the line as independents go for McCain.

With campaigning if FL and MI hold new primaries I can't see her winning by more than 5% in either state. 47% voted against her in FL. 40% showed up in a snowstorm to vote against her in Michigan.

Also, if California hadn't had early voting where over 1/3 voted early who knows? Iowa hadn't happened yet when those ballots went out. She didn't get very many more delegates than he did when the official results were released. He just got 9 more there. It's blue anyway.

Other states like Colorado and New Mexico, for instance, could go blue with Obama at the top of the ticket.

How she sees any possible way to overturn the obvious preference of the elections could only be attributable to favors if she does.

Obama 30 states. Hillary 15.

Most Democrat insiders think Obama will help far more downticket candidates and Hillary will hurt them. There are hundreds of superdelegates running for reelection this year, and lots of open seats. Hillary will hurt the Dems all down the line as independents go for McCain.

I've heard that too. Seems like that shouldn't be a minor consideration for anyone who is concerned about the future of the Democratic primary.

Tune in and tell the Dem in your districts, state and federal, that you'll vote straight Republican if the party Super Dilettantes make Clinton the nominee.

That's what should be filtering up from the grassroots. You want to change the world? (asked Steven Stills) Lots of people did in 68. Bunch of weasels chilled that dish.

So you gotta be willing to burn down the house, and let them know it.

Oz,

I have some friends who are predicting massive protest marches if the SD take the nom away from Obama if he has the lead in the popular votes and regular delegates.

"Hold tight wait till the party's over
Hold tight we're in for nasty weather
There has got to be a way
Burning down the house"

I've emailed the DNC stating my view that he/she who wins the most pledge delegates should be the nominee, and that if they don't I'll be staying home in November.

As I mentioned before, our general election is based on Electoral votes, NOT popular vote - which Obama padded with over 90,000 more than Hillary tonight out of 400,000. That was close to the margin of victory in Texas for Clinton out of nearly 6 million, where he won the delegate race.

Gal-
You're right. It's only the talking heads that are predicting this...

protest marches if the SD take the nom away from Obama if

Two too many IFs, and by then it will be too late.

When I tell Mary Still, Democratic challenger for state representative that the Clintons will cost her my vote, contribution, and support in her campaign then she will have to weigh that, and maybe mention that to others in the party.

Strong objections at the grassroots level will resonate. Smart money in the party doesn't want to risk losing a huge turnaround in the general election. I actually think the Clintons may have been told to propose the VP to Obama as a last resort.


Something off the radar now is the resignation of Admiral Fallon as CENTCOM. He's retiring and that does not bode well for a diplomatic effort. Bush may be positioning himself to bomb Iran after the elections. Fallon has been quoted as saying he would resign if plans went ahead.

Obama should embrace Fallon as someone he has confidence in as Sec Def or even State. Smart guy, no bullshit.

So you gotta be willing to burn down the house, and let them know it.

Same goes for the Hillary supporters.

They're the Working Class Heroes.

The ditch digging Meskins.

Johnny Lunchpail.

Are you gonna let a bunch of latte-sipping, pole smoking white liberals nominate some cosmetic political wonder just because he assuages their inherent, white liberal guilt by offering the opportunity to vote for a "nice" black guy?

Fuck that, Workers!

This election is too important to be cast to the whims of the Volvo crowd.

What the fuck is a "Social Science major" anyways?

She wins the big states, and that's what wins elections.

If she doesn't win the nomination, burn this mother fucker to the ground.

"Direct Action", baby.

America is counting on you.

As I mentioned before, our general election is based on Electoral votes, NOT popular vote

Unless, of course, the scenario precludes the election of a Democrat candidate in a given general election.

Then, electoral votes are "archaic" and the whole concept of an Electoral College needs to be "re-examined".

Pinche Mao-
Why are you so pissed off? You've had over seven years of Bush Who Lost The Popular Vote.

You should be cheering.

There is no way the Clintons foresaw being behind after Super Tuesday. No way. That's when they floated the "Oh, Obama as VP would be undefeatable".
No, Obama as President would be undefeatable. And Hillary will NOT get the nomination. I predict a pre-convention Clinton meltdown.
And for you McBane lovers out there. Just wait, I've got more for you.

Why are you so pissed off?

Actually I'm ecstatic, Boyd.

You've had over seven years of Bush Who Lost The Popular Vote

A little over three, actually.

McCain the "flip-flopper":

Was against Bush's tax cuts. He's now for them.

Was for his own immigration bill. He's now against it.

Was against torture. He voted against a bill banning torture.

....

Let the games begin

"A little over three, actually."

Time warp?


Bummer.

Is that what caused you to vote for the worst president ever twice?

Was it the time warp?

Gotta go. I'd leave chocolates and flowers, but I don't guess I really want to.

McCain the "flip-flopper":

Was against Bush's tax cuts. He's now for them.

Was for his own immigration bill. He's now against it.

Was against torture. He voted against a bill banning torture.

....

Let the games begin

Wow.

Four rapid fire posts in as many minutes.

None of which have anything to do with what was posted previously.

An invitation to "let the games begin" at 1:01.

A declaration of you departure at 1:04.

I feel sorry for your wife.

"What are we gonna do with the other 28 minutes?"

As I mentioned before, our general election is based on Electoral votes, NOT popular vote - which Obama padded with over 90,000 more than Hillary tonight out of 400,000. That was close to the margin of victory in Texas for Clinton out of nearly 6 million, where he won the delegate race.

He won the Caucus and the Delagates,So she really lost Texas.

-Sarge

PINCHE

The 'big states' she's won are almost all blue anyway. Ohio will probably go Democrat, and polls show Obama and Clinton both winning it by 10%. It won't matter which Democrat it is.

But, hey. I know Hillary and you are bound at the hip now with your support. LOL

BTW Obama was just confirmed to have taken more delegates out of Texas. And it's ALL about delegates. He also just made up Hillary's margin of 90,000+ votes in Texas (with 6 million cast) with his margin of victory in MS tonight of over 90,000 . A state where 400,000 voted.

I'm sorry, but the odds of your dream Hillary-McCain contest are slim to nil. No doubt you think Obama will beat McCain or you wouldn't have voted for Hillary. I predict Obama will beat McCain with 300+ Electoral votes, and Congress will add more Democrats.

And the world won't end.

Maybe a new approach to politics in D.C. - a better tone and an end to the massive amounts of influence and money lobbyists suck from our government would be a good thing for us, the citizens. When they're writing legislation that hands them hundreds of billions out of our Treasury for no-bid contracts and tax credits for nothing that benefit us here in America - but yield them tax free billions in reveunes and circumvented U.S. Tax laws and adding to the deficits - something is very wrong with our government.

For that reason alone, Obama is the only guy who can clean our process up. McCain used to be pretty strong in that department, but now he's entirely surrounded by lobbyists, including those who lobbied successfully on Europe's behalf for the multibillion dollar airtanker contract - to Boeing's and Congressional chagrin. At least the U.S. Government should buy American. That's exactly what I'm talking about.

What the fuck is a "Social Science major" anyways?

Posted by Pinche_Mao at 2008-03-12 12:35 AM

SOCIAL SCIENCES (Wikipedia)

The social sciences are a group of academic disciplines that study human aspects of the world. They differ from the arts and humanities in that the social sciences tend to emphasize the use of the scientific method in the study of humanity, including quantitative and qualitative methods.

The social sciences,[1] in studying subjective, inter-subjective and objective or structural aspects of society, are traditionally referred to as soft sciences. This is in contrast to hard sciences, such as the natural sciences, which may focus exclusively on objective aspects of nature. Nowadays, however, according to proponents of this view, the distinction between the hard sciences and many of the so-called soft sciences is blurred. Currently, it is a matter of fact that some social science subfields have become very quantitative in methodology.

Conversely, the interdisciplinary and cross-disciplinary nature of scientific inquiry into human behavior and social and environmental factors affecting it have made many of the so-called hard sciences interested on some aspects of social science methodology.[2] Examples of boundary blurring include emerging disciplines like social studies of medicine, sociobiology, neuropsychology, bioeconomics and the history and sociology of science. Increasingly, quantitative and qualitative methods are being integrated in the study of human action and its implications and consequences.

Obama should pick Jim Webb from Virginia now as his VP as he has military experience and was a former Secretary of the Navy under Regan although he is a Democrat today. This would stop the Billary talk of a Clinton-Obama ticket and problems with experience on the ticket. Obama is the most fluent orator of our time and is very quick thinking on his feet.

A quarter of Hillary's votes were from Republicans. Even so, Obama won 62%-38%. He almost hit the 62.5% threshold for a 3-1 delegate split in his favor.

Rush is gonna try to get Hillary the nomination. Problem is, America hasn't forgotten how wrong the GOP has been on almost everything the last several years - with tragic results.

First Iraq, now the economy. W's gonna get a taste of oil prices resulting in record inflation. Carter left us with a $250 billion debt. Bush with a $10 TRILLION dollar debt that eats nearly $500 BILLION a year from our budget to service. America is the worlds largest borrower. It was all smoke and mirrors - borrowing to maintain the appearance of fiscal stability.

In all fairness, Carter inherited then record inflation from Ford, a bill for Vietnam, and an oil embargo that fueled inflation. Bush, on the other, inherited surpluses and a vibrant economy, yet totally fucked it up by borrowing so much. At the same time he was causing massive use of credit by both the government and individuals who saw the value of their wages fall. 3 million more lost their jobs to China and India (for which the corporations got tax credits to do).

Things are FUBAR in America. Beyond ALL recognition.

If the democrats had winner take all primaries like the republicans, Hillary would be ahead in delegates. She has won all the major states, and the states Obama has won, probably won't go for Obama in the general election. However, Obama will win the election if he is the nominee. So would Hillary. So would Gore. So would Kucinich.

I swear if she some how snakes the nomination I'll vote McCain. No way I could vote for her in good conscience. At least McCain would be honest about screwing over the country.

She wins the big states, and that's what wins elections.

~Pinche

Big states like Texas?

You remember? The one you bragged about voting for Hillary in?

The one Hillary actually lost despite massive numbers of dishonorable and desperate RT morons like yerself doing the evil bidding of Rush Limpbone?

Spud sees right through through yer pathetically tranparent attempts to get the weaker and more divisive opponent of the two Dems to go head to head with John McInsane in November.

There are ABHs in all three camps. Dem, GOPher and Indy.

There are many rehugs who are so disenchanted with McLame they will vote for Obama in November.

They are called Obamacans.

There are no equivilant Hillicans to be found.

Spud smells yer fear Mao.

Yer Big State theory is a load of crap.

The polls indicate that both Mr Obama and Mrs Clinton would win in Democratic strongholds like California, New York, Illinois and most of the north-eastern states, as well as in key swing states like Ohio, Wisconsin, Minnesota and New Mexico.

But they also suggest that - unlike Mrs Clinton - Mr Obama could win in the states of Michigan, New Hampshire, Colorado, Virginia, Oregon, Washington, Iowa, Nevada and even North Dakota.

~BBC.

GObama.

Be Well.

/Just had to say that. Off to hit teh ole fart sack now.
//Exiting the demense of the blog god, the mighty mighty DR, as ya do
stage left.

Spud I see you are using the BBC as a source again. Good fucking luck getting that past the laugh test.

In the end very few republicans will vote for obama. The new is already wearing off this left wing newsmedia creation.

8 more months of the same lame ass we want change speeches and even the democrats will be ready to remove this broken record.

He's an empty suit liberal puppet if I ever saw one.

BIG WIN!!!...17 delegates for Barry, 11 for Hillary...Good God it's over!! (that is until PA and then the votes from FL and MI.....)

In the end very few republicans will vote for obama

They're afraid of him to the point that Republicans who hate Hillary will vote for her, as they just did in Mississippi. 25% of her voters were conservative Republicans - and not because they like her, but because they know they'll lose their ass to Obama.

I'm man enough to stay home rather than compromise my values and vote for someone I hate to try to throw election results, all because I'm as scared of a candidate as the Rushies are of Obama.

Can't win the WH straight up, say the Rushies. So, let's be disingenuous cowardly pricks (as usual) instead.

BIG WIN!!!...17 delegates for Barry, 11 for Hillary...Good God it's over!! (that is until PA and then the votes from FL and MI.....)

Posted by CLINTONISKING


Clintoniscoward

Do you really think after the revote that Hillary would gain more than 10 delegates over Obama? Whater Hillary is paying you it's too much. you aren't swaying anybody on this blog. Admit failure and learn that not evil Hillary can thwart democracy.

"8 more months of the same lame ass we want change speeches and even the democrats will be ready to remove this broken record."

Riiight....voters are in the mood right now for eight more months of McCain saying "stay the course".

how is it 17 to 11 btw? Aren't there 33 delegates at play? I'm pretty sure that 17 + 11 isn't 33.

I have donated already several times to Obama. He will defeat the evil bitch Clinton and then he will defeat McCain.

"how is it 17 to 11 btw?"

Bloomberg and other news services are indicating it will be 19-14 or 20-13.

Sanantonio...


I agree, Barack got 61% of the mississippi vote for 33 delegates. by my math 61% of 33 is 20 and change. He should at least get 20 delegates or are there "extenuating" circumstances?

The fact is that Mississippi is THE red state that Obama's camp has touted as their best chance to put into the blue column in the fall..... until last night when they lost Southern white men by 69 percent.

Did Bill call in Rush's show again for the primary yesterday? Funny how Bubba and Rush are friends now.

Republicans are OK when they vote for Obama, not so much when they vote for Clinton.

But TR has looked into their souls and knows they are all Dittoheads, the ones that voted for Clinton, at least.

Republicans are OK when they vote for Obama

If they are voting for Hillary or Obama because they actually are supporting Hillary or Obama, then they are ok.

If they are voting for Hillary or Obama because Rush or some other republican pundit has told them too, then it is not ok. Is it ok for Bill Clinton to call into Rush's show in order to garner support from Rush listeners?

No, he won the Texas caucus, not the Texas Primary.

You won't find Texas in his win column.

Corky...

You're idiotic comparisons mean as much as your predictions: ZERO. Unless the exit polling asks Clinton voters whether they'd vote for Obama in the fall, its meaningless. Feelgood sentiments are not the same as doing.

As you say, all you're doing is wasting bandwidth in an attempt to turn defeat into victory. Neither you nor Hillary is capable of such a feat. The last miracle worker I know of died over 2000 years ago.

Hillary got her ass kicked again even though Republicans voted for her in droves. Guess that means the Democrats in MS can't stand her. They must read your drivel....

Tell your pathetic deflections to Time Magazine. They deserve a good laugh, too.

He won Texas, as in he got more delegates. Do delegate counts not matter to Hillary or you Corky? That is what we use to count who wins right?

Corky, you care to respond to my question?

Wrong. He got more delegates in Nevada. Show me Nevada in his win column somewhere? She won the popular vote, which is how wins are counted in the Primaries.

Tax-

Bubba didn't talk to Rush, as I understand it. But if you are up on everything Rush Limbaugh, you can certainly enlighten us.

He did call Rush's show though, are you saying it is all the sudden not a republican bastion when he isn't there?

I am not up on everything Rush, I do like Andrew Sullivan though.

-I do like Andrew Sullivan though.

You and TR and Andy in a menage a trois, eh?

Careful, Tony is the jealous type and he has been working that particular Repube booty for some time now.

If popular vote is all that matters, why are there delegates Corky? And if it is only popular vote, Obama is ahead on that anyway.

You loose any which way, though it is slightly amusing watching you flagellate.

"Elliot Spitzer is a super delegate..."
Posted by Ray


He's also a Super Customer I hear.

Oh I get it, because Andrew Sullivan is gay and HIV positive that must mean everyone who reads and/or listens to him is gay and maybe HIV positive as well. Way to keep on with those personal attacks.

Yeah, so what happens to his super delegate status? Did Hillary just lose a delegate?

Who was that directed to Corky? You talk about my 'naivete' then link to something you wrote?

You said delegates didn't matter and it was just popular votes that matter, that's why apparently (according to you anyway) that Obama didn't win Texas even though he has more delegates in Texas.

Then I state it doesn't matter because even if you do insist it is only the popular vote (which I don't agree with) because Obama is ahead in popular vote too!

Then a comment on 'naivete' from you.

You are all over the place! lol


I think I have it figured out though. In states where Hillary wins the popular vote but not delegates, it's the popular vote that counts. In states where Hillary winds delegates but not popular vote, it's the delegates that count. I think I got it now, lol.

Corky, I thought you said that most of the people who voted for Obama or Hillary will end up voting for the dem nominee in the fall? That post you permalinked to is the exact opposite. Which is it?

You'll get it when you realize that one has to get to the magic number for delegates to be the deciding factor. If no one does, then the SDs consider popular vote and who can win in the fall, ie; who won the battleground states.

Tax- That appears to be changing.

"You'll get it when you realize that one has to get to the magic number for delegates to be the deciding factor. If no one does, then the SDs consider popular vote and who can win in the fall, ie; who won the battleground states."

Translation:

If necessary, we will steal the election from Obama.

Tony, that is interesting that 15% of people who voted for Clinton don't want her to win. That is easily explained by the Rushlings and Seanlings. But who are the 4% of Obama voters who don't want him to win????

Tax- That appears to be changing

So you admit that the democratic party is coming apart at the seams - i.e., neither camp will support the other come general election time? Or is it just Hillary supporters who won't go vote for Obama?

P.S. I have been saying this for a while now and was told I was foolish. I was told it was just the MSM tyring to build up fears.

Tax, with her statement about McCain and her being the only candidate that can be CiC, I think it's clear that her plans are if she can't win, no one can.

This will be what happens if she gets in, she has turned off so many Obama supporters that she can't possibly win the election.

DJV.

McBush only got 79% and he's the only candidate. Sad when 20+% of your own party prefers none of the above.

McBush only got 79% and he's the only candidate. Sad when 20+% of your own party prefers none of the above.

But who are the 4% of Obama voters who don't want him to win????

My guess would be older blacks that think he'd ultimately be better served as Hillary's VP first.

So much for Corky's theory on white Hillary voters in MS. 15% of them don't want Hill to be the nominee! LOL!!!
POSTED BY TONYROMA AT 2008-03-12 01:14 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Corky's latent racism has been bleeding through since at least SC.

She are Ferraro are country club racists who talk a good game and go to all the right social events but they don't want "those people" in the neighborhood.

LEONLAND

Well said

Hillary is going to stay in the race and pull down the whole party with her. As a Republican, I love all the name calling, racism, and in-fighting being shown in full display. Thanks Hillary on behalf of all Republicans!

How can any American vote for a man named Hussein?

You must be the dumbest human being alive!

Welcome to Turbinville!


You probably want to be converted anyway. Our country is going straight to hell!

The STATUS QUO has kept us from being blown up for 7 years....Hussein would invite the ragheads right into the country, to rape our women and force us to pray to Alla.


....but you want that don't you?

neocon when you say you dumbest human being... you mean 1 notch smarter then you because you seem like you just won the new spot

I'm smart enough to know not to vote for a Muslim!

but yer not smart enough to know who is a muslim and who isn't

moron

I don't care if you are a Muslim. You are lucky you don't get deported. No wonder you hate America.

i can't deported you fucktard
i was born in the usa
like bruce springsteen

suck a fat one

and how bout this

john mccain... when you know the vp will become president, except no substitutes

DONT COMPARE YOURSELF TO SPRINGSTEEN, FAGGOT!

He wouldn't hug you either.

How can you be born in America and be a Muslim?

Were you from Guam or something?

Go BACK MUSLIM!

how can i be born in american and be a muslim?

hahah are you kidding

looks like mommy and daddy have been lying to you

"Were you from Guam or something?"

wait i doubled taked
did you say guam

lol ahahhahahahaha

guam is a mostly catholic

You are too arrogant for your own good boy!

Just wait until a real conservative like McCain is elected.

I bet you take that Turbin off your head real quick faggot!

you really say faggot a lot

you sure your not a closet homosexual

there are 12 step plans for you


john mccain... he's fallen and he can't get up

Kliff, just ignore the troll. The kid is just looking for attention.

lol i know ... its just soooo... tempting!

lol

I'm just smart enough to know the truth. You guys must be on drugs to not see how Muslims are taking over America.

LOOK AT THIS STUPID WEBSITE! Everything on here is about Muslims and Liberals!

You are destroying America and you like it!.

One day the rest of us will save this country

Vote McCain '08 and save America

I'm just smart enough to know the truth. You guys must be on drugs to not see how Muslims are taking over America.

LOOK AT THIS STUPID WEBSITE! Everything on here is about Muslims and Liberals!

You are destroying America and you like it!.

One day the rest of us will save this country

Vote McCain '08 and save America