The bill would restrict the CIA to using only the 19 interrogation techniques listed in the Army field manual.






Well, no wonder.


Only 19 other techniques.

Car battery and electrodes + salt water=Justice?

Shameful. I am ashamed to be an American today. Bush just made torture the official policy of the USA. What a scumbag. Typically, he calls himself a christian, but then torture has always been a core christian value. Just ask Torquemada, whose actions have NEVER been disavowed by the church.

To the rest of the world, I say "Please forgive us, we know not what we do".

waterboarding? Waterboarding as opposed to the firing squad or beheading? Huh?

I think we should take away that gold star and send them to the hallway.

Shameful. I am ashamed to be an American today

Then fucking leave, you left wing cocksucker.

Get the fuck out of my country.

Go take your sappy-ass moral equivalence and semantics-based "outrage" and live peacefully among the Islamists who wish to kill you.

In the mean time, we'll continue to trickle a little water on the faces of people who think it God's will to use children as suicide bombers.

Shame on us.

People like you really do fucking sicken me to the core. In fact, in many ways, you're even more despicable than the terrorist captives you so earnestly wish to coddle.

Torture - Torture, according to the United Nations Convention Against Torture, is "any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him or a third person information or a confession, punishing him for an act he or a third person has committed or is suspected of having committed, or intimidating or coercing him or a third person, or for any reason based on discrimination of any kind, when such pain or suffering is inflicted by or at the instigation of or with the consent or acquiescence of a public official or other person acting in an official capacity.

Waterboarding is torture. (this is common sense)
Bush Says we don't torture
Bush Will Veto Waterboarding Bill (bans waterboarding)

If We don't torture why does bush veto a bill that bans a method of torture? If we don't torture why does it matter if it is banned?

I say Bush is a lier and full of shit.

"Get the fuck out of my country."

It's your country just as much as the government belongs to Bush. Which is none btw ... country & government belongs to the people.

"In the mean time, we'll continue to trickle a little water ..."


you mean we will kill them and bring them back to life...most of the time.

Pinche - even if one of those tortured was innocent? How many innocent people have we tortured so far? Do you know? Do you care?

You macho piece of shit... you leave!

You are not the kind of American I want living in MY America. You don't deserve the title of American.

Neither does Bush.

terrorists should be given foot massages by nude women, iced tea and allowed to watch cartoons.

Sprinkling water on the nose? What the hell kind of country do we have?

"People like you really do fucking sicken me to the core. In fact, in many ways, you're even more despicable than the terrorist captives you so earnestly wish to coddle. "

Red heiring - look it up

by the way there are other better more efficient ways to gather information other than torture.

I don't care who you think you are but a human life is still a human life. You don't become the evil to fight the evil.

My, my, my


Pinch and Vern are in fine form tonight.

Two guys unclear on the concept.

Pinche's illiterate outburst reminds me of "My country, if wrong to set right, but my country..."

Actually, PM, it's the REAL patriot who will try to point our nation in a direction that represents two thousands years of "civilization." Waterboarding does not.Waterboarding comes from the pure evil which the good guys are trying to dislodge from eight years in power. herm

"Then fucking leave, you left wing cocksucker.

Get the fuck out of my country."


It's not your country, asswipe. You can get the fuck out of my country, you fascistic curb-stomping lunatic.

thinking that one's country is one's possession is sad.

Also insane.

I can haz impeachment NOW?

If I was in charge... you Betcha!

Sprinkling water on the nose?

~Vern

Waterboarding has the ability to break the human spirit quicker than many other forms of torture.

If Spud waterboarded Vern fer long enuff Vern would break completely and agree to torture his own family rather than go through the experience again.

Spud's not trying to be unneccessarily cruel or suggest that Vern is a pussy or anything. Anyone can be broken thusly.

Anyone.

In South America under the reign of Pinochet this was a favorite trick of the torturers. They would torture people to insensibility and then make them torture their own family and friends. This awful thing they would do rather than be subjected to further maltreatment.

The survivors, if they ever go out of there, would usually divorce if married or never trust one another again even if they had been life long friends before.

Torture historically is always used in order to gain information at it's onset but by the end it's almost always mostly done in order to keep people quiet, numb with shock and fear.

Vern doesn't understand any of this yet.

Spud hopes he never learns the hard way.

Sincerely.

Be Well.

/No country that has ever tortured outsiders has ever stopped there. They always go on to torture their own citizens. Always.

you and the other 4 must be the only ones left in america that support bush and cheney and their illegal war..bush has made a mockery out of the u.s constitution..he and cheney should be impeached and tried for war crimes against humanity and for the record i am a u.s vet..served 3 years in the army and in combat .did you..
Bohemia46

you and the other 4 must be the only ones left in america that support bush and cheney and their illegal war..bush has made a mockery out of the u.s constitution..he and cheney should be impeached and tried for war crimes against humanity and for the record i am a u.s vet..served 3 years in the army and in combat .did you..
Bohemia46

There ought to be a rule about not, from a position of being safely hidden and protected, saying things you would not be capable of saying to the person in person.

It seems that some poster feel the need to us big language like "get out of my fucking country" or such things as that.

It is not the action of a capable man to rant and use a great deal of profanity.

In other words Pinche, lighten up, it only makes you sound immature. I don't know if you are in reality one big and bad mother-I don't give a damn.

The DR is a forum to talk about not rant about different ideas. Talk out your beliefs but grow up.

Although waterboarding does not always cause lasting physical damage, it carries the risks of extreme pain, damage to the lungs, brain damage caused by oxygen deprivation, injuries (including broken bones) due to struggling against restraints, and even death.[4] The psychological effects on victims of waterboarding can last for years after the procedure.[5]

"Does not always"

"risks"

"can"

It's trickling water on the face of a terrorist asshole.

And a good way to avoid it is to immediately provide the information being asked of you.

But if I knew I had an army of leftist, infidel shit that cared more about my well-being as a jihadist than their own culture and country---I too would go ahead and take a little water in the face for the team.

What better way to fire up the fake outrage of my allies in the leftwing blogosphere.

Let them do the work.

I'm gettin' 3 "religiously and culturally appropriate" meals a day here.

And all the Dasani I can drink.

And meanwhile my "friends" advance arguments that my treatment is akin to victims of Torquemada.

I got it made.

Waterboarding has the ability to break the human spirit quicker than many other forms of torture.

Good.

If Spud waterboarded Vern fer long enuff Vern would break completely and agree to torture his own family rather than go through the experience again.

How the fuck do you know?

Spud's not trying to be unneccessarily cruel or suggest that Vern is a pussy or anything. Anyone can be broken thusly.

That's the point.

The survivors, if they ever go out of there, would usually divorce if married or never trust one another again even if they had been life long friends before.

I could fucking care less about the emotional state or marital strife of a fucking animal immersed in a culture where polygamy, "female circumcision", mercy killings, and stoning adulturous women is acceptable.

Are you beginning to understand how fucking despicable your obligatory fake outrage is?

P.S.---

Your melodramatic presentation of it...

Vern doesn't understand any of this yet.

Spud hopes he never learns the hard way.

Sincerely.

(Awww.... *sniff*)

....makes it all the more comical.

Get a fucking grip and some perspsective.

It's not thumbscrews and The Rack.

Its semantics combined with politically opportunistic outrage.

How do YOU know who is a Terrorist until you torture them?

They're non-uniformed combatants captured on the battle field by men who would probably want to quit their job and go home if they knew people like you existed in the country they serve.

I could fucking care less about the emotional state or marital strife of a fucking animal immersed in a culture where polygamy, "female circumcision", mercy killings, and stoning adulturous women is acceptable.


Pinche's answer to a despicable act is to counter with a despicable act of his own... supporting crimes against humanity.

Nice.. so very well thought out. You are not the kind of example of an American I want my children to grow up and be. Stay out of My America please.

I want to be no where near you!

No sir, no thank you very much!

You sir... are an ASS.

They're non-uniformed combatants captured on the battle field by men who would probably want to quit their job and go home if they knew people like you existed in the country they serve.

Posted by Pinche_Mao at 2008-03-08 01:03 AM



right .. like taxis drivers and poor fucks who just need money like you and me and who are caught up in something so much bigger than themselves.

How do YOU know who they are You don't know shit about them just like me. You know only what you are being told ... but unlike me YOU beleive it.

"When the rich wage war it is the poor who pay."

Pinche's answer to a despicable act is to counter with a despicable act of his own

My answer to a despicable act is to kill the people who commit them.

If pouring water on the face of some miserable, goat-fucking piece of jihadi shit facilitates that outcome, I'm all for it.

Because then the torturers will immediately stop and maybe let you sit in a comfy chair eating bon bons until they let you go?

Its water, not thumbscrews.

And the people are being asked to comply with fairly corporeal and objective requests---not renounce their faith and convert to Catholicism.

Your outrage is fake and opportunistic.

That's why you make these stupid-ass comparisons to "the Spanish Inquisition"---relying on hyperbole and appeals to emotion to make up for the utter fucking failure of intellect exhibited by you and your ilk.

"When the rich wage war it is the poor who pay."

Jesus Fucking Christ.

What's it like having a political consciousness predicated entirely on left-wing fucking cliches?

How do you sleep at night, traitor?

like taxis drivers and poor fucks who just need money like you and me and who are caught up in something so much bigger than themselves.

I don't care what the socio-economic situation of these fucks may be.

If you take up arms against the United States---without wearing a uniform of a sovereign nation-state---you're subject to having water trickled on your face until you offer all the information being requested of you.

"What's it like having a political consciousness predicated entirely on left-wing fucking cliches?"

Some cliches are true, you fucking psycho.

And it is NOT simulated drowning...

IT IS DROWNING AND YOU ACTUALLY ARE DEAD if they go too far.

That's a lot like saying shooting someone with a paintball gun is NOT simulated murder.

IT IS MURDER AND YOU ACTUALLY ARE DEAD if they go too far.

P.S.--

If you "cut" melodrama with a knife, is that "murder", too?

You are not the kind of example of an American I want my children to grow up and be.

If (God forbid) our foreign and military policy is ever stewarded by starry-eyed, naive morons like yourself, your children aren't going to have much of an America to grow up in.

If the economically illiterate protectionism and statism doesn't do it, the Muslims will.

Advocating torture for the enemy authorizes torture of our own soldiers. If there is no difference between us and them---what are we fighting for?

There is always some boogey-man the government scares up to boost the military payroll, and the pants pissers like Mao always buy into it. First it was Commies and we almost tear the Constitution apart in that Frenzy. Then it was The Viet Cong and what a great threat they were to America. Now it is Terrorists. 3000 get blown up and everyone shits their pants. We lost more than that in gun violence in one month. We are becoming a nation of pussies wanting the army to protect us from thugs. Talk about a nanny state. The pants pissers need a bigger army to compensate for their little dicks.

Spud assumes that if Iraqi insurgents pick up American servicepeople in Iraq and use waterboarding on them that Mao'd be okay with it.

Actually, they filet them and behead them.

Or burn them alive and hang their corpses from bridges.

You know---shit that's fairly comparable to pouring water on people's faces.

You should "prolly" just shut the fuck up now.

You have a pathological inability to contextualize the world around you because of your dogmatic adherence to your left-wing "d'jour", internet ideology.

Yer a fucked up, hate-fueled, facsist wannabe.

And what's even worse, those are Pinochet's good points!

Spud thinks you are a cowardly, traitorous, ignoranus who more closely resembles the values of the Third Reich than those of America.

But I'm not the guy who equivocates water in the face with the Spanish Inquisition.

Or things some terrorist asshole captured on the battlefield in a time of war is owed the same civil processes as some fucker caught for shoplifting in Des Moines.

Or who relies on the concept of American Exceptionalism to advance an argument of sheer moral equivalence.

Ignorant fucking left-wing tool.

Spud rejects extremism both on the right and the left.

No you don't.

You seek to coddle and embrace the practitioners of the most violent behavior the modern world has ever known.

And because you despise your own culture, you make an entire ideology out of coming up with reasons to blame that behavior on the actions of your culture.

You're an extreme leftist whose found common cause with Islamist murderers.

You're their mouthpiece---and you do their bidding.

That's why you and people like you are so fucking nauseating to me.

some terrorist asshole captured on the battlefield

So, if they were all terrorists captured on the battlefield...why have so many of them been released from gitmo?

Or are we(read: you) going to start admitting that SOME of these people were innocent?

Or who relies on the concept of American Exceptionalism to advance an argument of sheer moral equivalence.
Posted by Pinche_Mao


American exceptionalism? What the fuck? If anyone relies on the doctrine of American Exceptionalism it's rightist shitstains like Pinochet Mao.

But I'm not the guy who equivocates water in the face with the Spanish Inquisition.


No, you're the guy that excuses Pinochet's rampage because he's a right wing nutbag like yourself.

You seek to coddle and embrace the practitioners of the most violent behavior the modern world has ever known.

Nope. FAIL. Try again...

you despise your own culture

Nope. 0 fer 2. Wow you suck at this. Try again...

You're an extreme leftist whose found common cause with Islamist murderers

Nope. 0 fer 3 now. Try again...

You're their mouthpiece---

Nope. 0 fer 4. Try again...

and you do their bidding

Nope 0 fer 5. Yer ignorance is both willfull and woefull.

So fulla wrong, so fulla fail.

How do you even tie yer shoelaces correctly on a given morning?

Velcro straps?

Call it a hunch.

Yer advocating an A-OK policy on open torture and Spud is the extremist here?

Couldn't be more wrong if ya tried, Mao.

Be Well.

So, if they were all terrorists captured on the battlefield...why have so many of them been released from gitmo?

Because there was nothing further of value to be gained by keeping them in captivity.

If anyone relies on the doctrine of American Exceptionalism it's rightist shitstains like Pinochet Mao.

Or Leftist shitstains like you...

...who like to advance the argument that America is so exhalted and enlightened that to cause any form of discomfort to her terrorist prisoners is a moral travesty.

You can't have it both ways, asshole.

Pick a side.

I promise you...not doing doesn't make you the smart, nuanced guy you think it does.

Nope. FAIL. Try again...
Nope. 0 fer 2. Wow you suck at this. Try again...
Nope. 0 fer 3 now. Try again...
Nope. 0 fer 4. Try again...
Nope 0 fer 5.
Yer ignorance is both willfull and woefull.

Great material.

Yer advocating an A-OK policy on open torture

Are you beginning to see how co-dependent your silly bullshit is on semantics?

Even a little?

Are you beginning to see how co-dependent your silly bullshit is on semantics?

Yes, cos Spud is the one always spouting petty, pseudo intellectual poli-sci jargon like he understands it, not Mao.

Do you even own a mirror?

No reason, just askin'.

** innocent whistle **

Be Well.

Yes, cos Spud is the one always spouting petty, pseudo intellectual poli-sci jargon like he understands it

As opposed to camouflaging it with 3rd-person and phonetically-spelled affectations...

Lame ass.

And by the way, "semantics" refers to the meaning or the interpretation of a word, sentence, or other language form.

One such word would be "torture".

Dumbfucks like yourself need to use "semantics" (and "hyperbole") to equivocate waterboarding with thumbscrewing.

"Semantics" is the gift that fuels this ridiculous, fake fucking outrage.

Because you don't like Bushitler and need a talking point.

Lesson in "pseudo intellectual poli-sci jargon" complete.

I personally wish I could waterboard Spud fer torturing me with his 3rd cousin language.

Nothing could be worse than listening to the relentless squirrel fukin canadian named Spudless go on and on about this and that. No matter what the subject Spud is a dumbass Buffalo Bob wanna be.

One can only hope Pinch-Turd gets waterboarded before he leaves this earth, so he can can have time to repent to the god of his choice for being such an ass-wipe.

If you seriously seem to think that waterboarding is just having water trickled on your face, then you don't know what waterboarding is. You probably don't know then that your hands and feet are shackled, and you're face up, lying downward on a tilted board with a rag stuffed all the way to the back of your throat. And while your torturer is holding that wad of rag in your mouth, he's dumping water on the rag to force albiet small, but accumulating amounts of water into your throat, and the gag reflex is forcing the water into your lungs, causing hypoxia.

Get a fucking clue douchebag. Your kind of blind faelty and ignorance will be the downfall of this country.

"I personally wish I could waterboard Spud"

Four days on the blog and you're tired of Spud's syntax?

That begs the question: Have you ever posted on the Drudge Retort before, and if so, under what name(s)?

If you seriously seem to think that waterboarding is just having water trickled on your face, then you don't know what waterboarding is. You probably don't know then that your hands and feet are shackled, and you're face up, lying downward on a tilted board with a rag stuffed all the way to the back of your throat. And while your torturer is holding that wad of rag in your mouth, he's dumping water on the rag to force albiet small, but accumulating amounts of water into your throat, and the gag reflex is forcing the water into your lungs, causing hypoxia.

Are you Tom Clancy?

'Fess up, now....

"I personally wish I could waterboard Spud"

Thanx fer thinking of Spud.

Always appreciated.

"The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about"

~Oscar Wilde

Talk to y'all in the A of M.

Be Well.

/Spud the third person speaking singularity, the 8 1/2 inch tall talking tater o' doom is now exit the blogstage here at the mighty, mighty DR, as ya do,
stage left.

Are you Tom Clancy?


'Fess up, now....

Posted by Pinche_Mao


Think I'm making that up? I forgot about the method where the entire rag is placed over the face of the "detainee", or where their head is wrapped in plastic and the hose inserted into a hole in the plastic. Because those methods aren't as bad...

Pinche_Mao and Vern with their "trickling water", "sprinkling water" and "foot massages by nude women, iced tea and cartoon-watching" should ask themselves a simple question.

Why would Bush want to veto a bill banning something that he repeatedly says he hasn't authorized, is not authorizing and will never authorize?

Such as:

"The United States is committed to the world-wide elimination of torture and we are leading this fight by example."

"Many have been detained, arrested, thrown in prison, and subjected to torture by regimes that fail to understand that their habits of control will not serve them well in the long-term."

"I want to be absolutely clear with our people and the world: The United States does not torture. It's against our laws and it's against our values. I have not authorized it, and I will not authorize it,"

Here's a clue:

"... the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them. ... To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just so long as it is needed, to deny the existence of objective reality and all the while to take account of the reality which one denies--all this is indispensably necessary. Even in using the word doublethink it is necessary to exercise doublethink. For by using the word one admits that one is tampering with reality; by a fresh act of doublethink one erases this knowledge; and so on indefinitely, with the lie always one leap ahead of the truth."

Want more of this. Vote for Hillary.

People like you really do fucking sicken me to the core. In fact, in many ways, you're even more despicable than the terrorist captives you so earnestly wish to coddle.


Posted by Pinche_Mao



Sorry, pinche_mao, but your America ends on Jan 20, 2009, because even McCain knows that this is torture, and will end it if he should be elected.

Sprinkling water on the nose? What the hell kind of country do we have?


An imperial presidency.

What makes this waterboarding different than when the Imperial Japanese did it to US soldiers in WWII?

Nothing.

They were tried and convicted of war crimes.

And you assholes think it is fine and dandy? What utter pieces of shit you are. The difference betweent the suicide bombers and the likes of you is that the suicide bombers have the balls to carry out their hate. You pieces of cowardly shit talk nice and brave like the big macho men you are but you are just pussies underneath.

Pussies.

Why would Bush want to veto a bill banning something that he repeatedly says he hasn't authorized, is not authorizing and will never authorize?


So that he cannot be tried and convicted for his crimes against humanity come early 2009.

Bush is an asshole. Just like his momma.

if Torture brings terror unto that person and or group the torture is being perpetrated upon then You must declare those who do torture are in fact terrorists. Those that support torture to take place they themselves become terrorist sympathizers because they support bringing terror unto a person and or group. How can You declare otherwise??

Larry Mohr

How can You declare otherwise??


9/11.

Muslim.

Islam.

Terrorists.

Shit my pants.

Al Queda wants to kill you.

You are traitorus scum.

Sincerely,

The Right.

Hey Pinche, can we waterboard you?

After all, it's just a little water, right?

A big tough guy like yourself should have no problem with it.

Because there was nothing further of value to be gained by keeping them in captivity

Sure, none of them could possbily be innocent, eh? None of them couldn't have just be sold to us for ransom by afghanistan warlords, and were people that did absolutely nothing to us.

Moron.

None of them couldn't have just be sold to us for ransom ....

Of course not. They're brown. They were guilty as soon as they picked up a Koran, you fucking limp-wristed leftist terrorist appeaser.

-Pinche Meow

Bush Will Veto Waterboarding Bill

"We don't use torture so we don't need no steenking law that bans torture. I know because I'm the Deciderer and I've done already decideded."
Generalissimo George W. Bush

OK, it's 3 a.m. and the red phone in the Oval Office is ringing off the hook.

Who would I like to see answer it?

The cranky old bastard McCane?

Shrillery in her diamond necklace and specs?

Or Obama?

Sorry, wrong thread.

if someone would like to pay to relocate me and my family, i would gladly leave this country. but what country would except me? thanks to bush we are all ugly americans.

I am so sick of this ignorant piece of shit President I could puke my guts out

AND I"M NOT LEAVING MY COUNTRY BECAUSE OF THIS PIECE OF SHIT PRESIDENT EITHER !!!

AND ANYONE WHO THINKS I SHOULD CAN......



BLOW ME !!!!!!

"People like you sicken me to the core...."

Ah, yes. The moral outrage of torturers. Quite poignant and convincing.

"Fucking animals...."

Yes, a lot of that going around these days.

Ah, yes, if wishes were horses beggars would ride.

:>)

Ah, Pinche Mao and Vernon.
Two fine examples of American Christian Republicans.
Keep up the good work...you represent the Right well.

"They were guilty as soon as they picked up the Koran..."

I'll tell that nice Pakistani who owns the convenience store down the street. Poor fellow actually thinks being an American citizen means something.

Yeah. Waterboard Pinche and see if he confesses he's read the Koran. Jeez. This is like watching "V".

Can some one please tell me why President Cocksucker isn't bragging anymore that private home ownership in the United States has grown more under his administration and is higher than any other Presidents in US history ?

USA, there's nothing wrong with your point that waterboarding you wouldn't cure.

No one should be allowed to vote, or offer an opinion until they've watched a beheading and a stoning. This is what we're up against. Our enemy can't defeat our military, all they can do is hang in there until we lose the stomache to fight back. An enemy is defeated when he loses the will to fight. You anti-torture people, what do you think about how we nuked Japan in WW2? Was that preferable to torture? I don't really care what you lilly-livered whimps think or do, but you're endangering MY family every time you post your silly tripe.

And "Bush's" was is NOT illegal, congress voted on it, and congress can end it anytime they decide to vote to defund it. It's so obvious all you do is listen to main stream media and parrot their meaningless sound bites.

If you don't have the stomache to do whatever it takes to defend yourself, you, and your family, don't deserve to live.

"You and your family don't deserve to live...."

See? What did I tell you? It's like "V". This guy thinks I should be dead (and my kids as well, how about that?) because I don't agree with him, just like and Islamic radical thinks I and my kids should be dead for the same reason.

"You're endangering my family...."

Therefore, I am the enemy. Why not waterbaord me? I'm sure I'd confess to something.

So Senator Kennedy is against water boarding? Didn't he himself waterboard Mary Jo Kopechne Chappaquiddick in 1969?

So, the choice that you're giving me is to be "limp-wristed" or some sadistic SOB? God, don't you just LOVE Western Civilization?

This is what we're up against.

JOESMITH


Wrong, asshole. We're not against those people. You really shouldn't believe everything your pastor tells you in church.

We're up against a few thousand (maybe) terrorists hiding in the mountains of Pakistan.

I should torture because of Ms. Kopechne?

"An enemy is defeated when he loses the will to fight...."

Actually, Clausewitz stated the enemy is defeated when he has the capacity to fight.

Mark that now---Not when he is PAID not to fight. When he cannot fight.

Whups---"When he has lost the capacity to fight...."

In any case, how many times you think Bush has read Clausewitz?

JOE---You're probably a nice guy. But I think you should go somewhere where the blog editor erases all responses that don't agree with you.

More liberal hypocrites.

Its Ok for protesters to tie up and water board their friends for effect but God forbid we waterboard a couple of know international murderering conspirators to prevent killings of Americans.
If water boarding is so terrible why do would liberals allow it to happen at their protests?

If water boarding is so terrible why do would liberals allow it to happen at their protests?

If you can't tell the difference between a protest and military interrogation, there's little hope for you.

Joe,

Damn How Can One Person Be So Ill-Informed

Does Evil Make Evil Right?

-Sarge

More liberal hypocrites.

More war mongering idiots.


Its Ok for protesters to tie up and water board their friends for effect but God forbid we waterboard a couple of know international murderering conspirators to prevent killings of Americans.


Yeah, it's ok that people know what the government is doing in their name. AND, they don't KNOW the people being waterboarded are terrorists until they confess to it, and when being waterboarded, you'll confess to anything.


If water boarding is so terrible why do would liberals allow it to happen at their protests?

Posted by wrongagain


You say that like all Liberals know exactly what all other Liberals are doing at any given time. A protester being waterboarded knows he's not really being waterboarded. Not quite the same as being forcibly tied down and waterboarded.

Not quite the same as being forcibly tied down and waterboarded.

Trying to explain nuance to people like this is like trying to explain punctuated equilibrium to a pile of shit.

Only difference is that a pile of shit can actually be useful.

Ness,

I know it's futile, but one has to try.

... you're endangering MY family every time you post your silly tripe.

Posted by JoeSmith



Posts on an internet board endanger your family? Damn they must be lame-ass weaklings. Don't let any of them out if a breeze is blowing ... maybe a bird might shit on their heads and give them a concussion.

Maybe you should move to a country that doesn't allow this sort of thing. I hear North Korea is lovely this time of year.

"This is the destiny of democracy, as not all means are acceptable to it, and not all practices employed by its enemies are open before it. Although a democracy must often fight with one hand tied behind its back, it nonetheless has the upper hand. Preserving the Rule of Law and recognition of an individual's liberty constitutes an important component in its understanding of security. At the end of the day, they strengthen its spirit and its strength and allow it to overcome its difficulties"

Israel Supreme Court

Posted by ness_gadol:

Posts on an internet board endanger your family? Damn they must be lame-ass weaklings. Don't let any of them out if a breeze is blowing ... maybe a bird might shit on their heads and give them a concussion.

Maybe you should move to a country that doesn't allow this sort of thing. I hear North Korea is lovely this time of year.

Ness, I'm sorry to say North Korea could have a better chance of surviving the next century than we do. There's lots of money in the oil-rich muslim dominated middle east. They want nukes, they want them bad. North Korea needs money, they're dirt poor. The next attack won't be 4 planes sent to crash into buildings, it will likely be nukes. If 4 nukes were set off in say NY, Chicago, LA, Wash DC, we could respond by taking out everyone who has ever pissed us off, including North Korea. That's what I hope would happen. Or, we could just become a third world country. When the next terrorist attack happens, we'll never know if it could have been prevented had we been more concerned for our own safety than we were for the civil rights of murdering muslim terrorists. God help us.

I'm sure I'd confess to something.

POSTED BY ZED AT 2008-03-08 11:10 AM | REPLY |

Yeah, but everyone already knows you're an American Hating puss that is uncomfortable with the USA's super power status and would rather have the Euro's take the lead.

I didn't post that, midiman did.

I rise after a good night's sleep to see what's new in this bastion of enlightened thought and find the discussion of the pros and cons of thumbscrews and iron maidens raging unabated. One "Pinche Mao," perhaps an alter ego for "Chairborn" (has anyone ever seen them in the same room?) upholding Attila the Hun's side with the usual right wing grossness. Did Pinche once work for the Gestapo? What the Bush-Mc Cain side lacks in facts and morality, it compensates for in volume and obscenity. Nothing has changed. Good morning, all. herm

this is bull, there is nothing wrong with waterboarding. it leaves no lasting physical damage. it is mental technique used to scare the TERRORISTS into admitting their terror plots to us. no seems to have a better way of getting terrorists to talk. what would all of u hippies suggest we do? just ask nice? yeah i bet that'd work. the truth is that waterboarding isn't even enough to make most brainwashed TERRORISTS talk, if it doesnt work we should just have some pakistani's waiting outside the door to take over the questioning. they know what it takes to get information that could save their citizens. apperently our citizens lives aren't worth more than the welfare of terrorist.

"Everyone already knows you are an America hating puss...."

Well, gee, Chairborne---Make me confess to something else, then. I swear---I have to do all the work in this relationship.

"It is a mental technique used to scare terrorists...."

So, if they just decided not be frightened, it wouldn't work?

Thanks, NRA, for letting the cat out of the bag. If we get hit with one of those North Korean nukes JOE SMITH is worried about, I'm blaming you.

"It (waterboarding) is a mental technique..."

So is raping someone's nine-year-old daughter in front of you to make you tell where you've hidden the silver. Ask the Romans.

Damn. I just realized I may have given NRA an idea.

it leaves no lasting physical damage. it is mental technique

It can cause lasting psychological damage which may be even more debilitating in the long term than any physical damage it may cause.

I greatly disagree with Zed on a few things, but on this issue I'm right with him, albeit for potentially different reasons. Or maybe not. Whether you're a Christian or an atheist, techniques like these are abhorrent to civilized humans.

Whatever happened to sodium thiopental?

If it saves our troops and our country. The black clip goes on the negative car battery terminal. The red goes on the positive and the salt water goes on the scumbag's scrotum!

If it saves our troops and our country. The black clip goes on the negative car battery terminal. The red goes on the positive and the salt water goes on the scumbag's scrotum!

Posted by Unclesam at 2008-03-08 03:37 PM

Lets begin to save our troops and country right now!!!

1st (2) Scrotums to be connected for everyone to see... Dick Cheney and George Bush...and then we will certainly watch them confess their War Crimes and fabricated lies that took us into this bullshit war in Iraq like scared little boys.

Bush Will Veto Waterboarding Bill

It should say "Bush will Veto water torture bill"

All of you supporting this have a mentality leading to the destruction of our core American values. If you like torture MOVE TO CHINA!!!!

WTF? What about the Geneva Convention?

Yeah, but everyone already knows you're an American Hating puss that is uncomfortable with the USA's super power status and would rather have the Euro's take the lead.

POSTED BY 101CHAIRBORNE

Hmm.., the Euro is not in the lead already?
Amazing.

NAVYVET50
the Geneva Convention only applies to those fighting under a government with a set uniform. the terrorist have neither therefore they are not protected by geneva. figure out what your taking about before you say something next time.

wow ZED raping someone is physical abuse that leaves lasting physical effects doesnt it. typical liberal, to dumb to understand an easy concept.
only a liberal could make a terrorist into a victim

Yes, NRA---Rape would be physical abuse in relation to the child.

In relation to her father, the person who theoretically has the information you want, the abuse is wholly psychological.

Let's do tick-tock, want to? Interesting game. I didn't invent it.

Let's say the terrorist dad has a nuclear device hidden someplace, set to go off in 24 hours. Let's say he's already been waterboarded, to little or no good effect.

If you thought the only means to get him to talk and save thousands of lives, would you sexually abuse his child in order to motivate him?

You're talking victimhood here. Now tell me if you'd trade one innocent life to save a few more?

Tick-tock. By the way, if it was you that penned the Hirsohima example above, I pretty much know what you're going to say.

Note I don't refer to the "alleged" terrorist. I long ago learned how you people despised things like trials. You prefer to guess.

so leave the country fag. better yet, come to endicott NY and i'll knock your teeth out and make you blow me!! i bet you'd suck great cock too because you're definitely a cunt.

the terrorist have neither therefore they are not protected by geneva.

I'll take this time to remind you that our country was founded by "insurgents" who were had a very tenuous "military" mostly composed of fellow "insurgents" who would resort to guerilla tactics to beat their enemies.

Sound familiar?

come to endicott NY and i'll knock your teeth out and make you blow me!!

JaimieandLisa

Oddly enuff the local tourist board up in Endicott NY actually considered this as their official slogan to promote tourism.

Luckily it got voted down.

Instead they decided to go with...

"Come to Endicott NY, ...at least we're not New Jersey"

Smart thinking sez Spud.

JaimeandLisa? Are you a pair of siamese twins or wot?

Is it more of a Anthony Perkins in Psycho kinda thing?

GlenandGlenda?

Be Well.

Zed-This is like watching "V".

Posted by Zed at 2008-03-08 10:14 AM | Reply | Flag


The lizards in that movie were more human than half the posters here. At least they had an agenda(resource gathering) instead of just being immoral pants pissing cowards who got off on the idea of harming brown people.(for illusions of security while their dollar became useless) God I loathe the pro-torture crowd...

so leave the country fag. better yet, come to endicott NY and i'll knock your teeth out and make you blow me!! i bet you'd suck great cock too because you're definitely a cunt.

Posted by jaimieandlisa at 2008-03-08 07:10 PM | Reply | Flag:


Yet another new handle for a troll to embarrassed to post as themselves. I'd feel that way if I was them too.

And so a full day has passed. Some "Joe Smith" (surely a nom de plume) has come along to buttress the bemedaled military heroes who call the DR's last holdouts for humanitarian values "whimps," pussies and traitors. Especially traitors.

Anyone who upholds the constitution, the Geneva convention or - what the hell? - the ten commandments is is a weak-kneed turncoat ready to salute turbaned guerrillas marching down Pennsylvania Avenue. One of those guy thinks the water torture would be okay if those raggedy creeps just bought themselves some uniforms. Maybe with gold braid, epaulets and precious metal denoting their rank. herm

If it saves our troops and our country.


and if it results or leads to the deaths of our soldiers?

torture resulted in incorrect intelligence used to justify the invasion of iraq, the hole nexus between iraq and WMD and AQ, you know the cornerstone of the argument why we had to invade.

support for toture coming from the people who dont trust government to do anything, got to love it.

Then fucking leave, you left wing cocksucker.

Get the fuck out of my country."


It's not your country, asswipe. You can get the fuck out of my country, you fascistic curb-stomping lunatic.

Posted by nullifidian at 2008



BOYS BOYS>......am I going to have to come in there and seperate you two.....


and it is so typical that its the dems who want to just tell the enemy everything that we might do to them whichis just what all of this is about. take anything off the table

After World War II, we convicted several Japanese soldiers for waterboarding American and Allied prisoners of war. At the trial of his captors, then-Lt. Chase J. Nielsen, one of the 1942 Army Air Forces officers who flew in the Doolittle Raid and was captured by the Japanese, testified: "I was given several types of torture. . . . I was given what they call the water cure." He was asked what he felt when the Japanese soldiers poured the water. "Well, I felt more or less like I was drowning," he replied, "just gasping between life and death."

Nielsen's experience was not unique. Nor was the prosecution of his captors. After Japan surrendered, the United States organized and participated in the International Military Tribunal for the Far East, generally called the Tokyo War Crimes Trials. Leading members of Japan's military and government elite were charged, among their many other crimes, with torturing Allied military personnel and civilians. The principal proof upon which their torture convictions were based was conduct that we would now call waterboarding.


Larry Mohr


Posted by LarryMohr

duh...:>)

NOTE TO EVERYBODY HERE:
All the gutless congress has to do is over ride the veto. That is what they are for. Instead they want to show case the thing and put the blame all on Bush. All these gutless wonders have to do is over ride it and then they take the heat. Period. Or is there something fundamental you people do not understand here. That is the checks and balances we have under the constitution folks. Either over ride it or keep quiet about it but do not grand stand.

Yeah, the gutless congress. Blame legislators we elected to undo Bush damage, to stop the war. Blame the nurse who forgot the shot that would have prevented your flu. We lack the integrity to override that veto, Farmer, but we should certainly NOT keep quiet. We should make a loud noise that crescendos through November. Only for simple people are complex issues simple. herm

If the economically illiterate protectionism and statism doesn't do it, the Muslims will.


Posted by Pinche_Mao at 2008-03-08 01:42 AM


How do you sleep at night, traitor?

Posted by Pinche_Mao

actually i haven't been sleeping well at night lately...you?

Thanks for asking... so you are you telling me you sleep good knowing what your country is doing is your name?

things like this don't help... I have children and I am trying to raise them in a world gone mad.

It gets tougher and tougher to explain this shit to them.


I think you need to look up the def of "traitor".

Noun 1. traitor

traitor - someone who betrays his country by committing treason
treasonist
collaborationist, quisling, collaborator - someone who collaborates with an enemy occupying force
criminal, crook, felon, malefactor, outlaw - someone who has committed a crime or has been legally convicted of a crime

fifth columnist, saboteur - a member of a clandestine subversive organization who tries to help a potential invader
traitress - female traitor
2. traitor
traitor - a person who says one thing and does another
double-crosser, double-dealer, two-timer, betrayer
beguiler, cheater, deceiver, trickster, slicker, cheat - someone who leads you to believe something that is not true
Judas - someone who betrays under the guise of friendship

so I don't see ME in there...

NOT a member of any clandestine subversive organization

NOT a person who says one thing and does another

NOT committing a crime or thinking about it

but seems to me that YOU, MAO, are the one that are promoting committing a CRIME and are betraying the very principles this country is founded upon.

If the shoe fits wear it...if the glove fits then we MUST CONVICT!


you are the traitor Mao... so do you sleep well at night knowing that?

To the rest of the world, I say "Please forgive us, we know not what we do".The Cynic

What a frickin pussy you are. Everyone get out your best whiny voices and shout with me, " We're sorry world". Fuck that. Even when we TRY to be good and perfect in the world's eyes we get shit on.

forgive us...... gimme a break.

Well, Everlong, I'd say you've identified a reason not to try to be good and perfect. Good man.

"If 4 nukes were set off in say NY, Chicago, LA, Wash DC, we could respond by taking out everyone who has ever pissed us off, including North Korea. That's what I hope would happen."

You're part of the problem.