the move seems to have embarrassed the besieged Western-backed administration of Prime Minister Fouad Siniora /I>


I ask why Siniora sould be more embarrassed by his Bushness than all of us?

Did Bush find more oil over there?

It's a sign of political bankruptcy on the part of the US. They have failed to achieve anything in Lebanon; all they have left is military muscle-flexing

Ouch!

So... the USS Cole, a ship once bombed by Al Quaeda, is off the coast of Lebanon where Reagan's gunboat "diplomacy" led indirectly to the loss of 241 Marines by a suicide bomber back in the 80s, turning public opinion against his ill advised bombing and making the US turn tail and leave, much as Clinton had to do in Mogadishu a decade later.

Uh-huh...

And Bush is calling the shots this time?

Good luck with THAT.

Sheesh.

Be Well.

Make sure Israel can ID it this time.

Israel is bombing the shit out of everyone in Gaza. Three Israeli deaths requires the dismemberment and/or dislocation of 3,000 Palestinians. Dead babies are everywhere. The similarity between Nazi and Israeli Military behavior leaves little hope for mankind. If anyone has a special responsibility to treat their enemies in accordance with the Geneva Convention, it is Israel. If they can't do it, what hope is there for mankind?

nutcase
yes it does
jasman

Problem is, you've had 7 years of Bush whispering his own incorrect opinions on what constitutes self-defense in Israel's ear.

You also have Bush prancing around the middle east doling out diplomacy at the end of an M-16, and understandably people get pissed. Who's the nearest proxy for the United States? Israel of course.

And thus continues the cycle. Arabs and Palestinians pissed off at U.S. intervention in the region take it out on Israel. Israel responds, using American made weaponry, in the name of self defense. Arabs and Palestinians see this as an affront, and to get back at the U.S., attack Israel again.

Hopefully the next president will wise up and tell Israel that if they don't start making inroads to peace instead of blowing something up every time they hear a cricket churp they're SOL and on their own.

Bush will save us all.

/SARCASM

Did Bush find more oil over there?

I could be wrong, but I don't think Bush is in the oil exploration or survey business.

To all you Bush haters, I hate to break the news. The US Navy has had part of their fleet in the Eastern Med most of the last century -- yes, even when the evil Republicans were not in the WH. I spent a lot of time in the Eastern Med myself in the late '70s and early '80s

This isn't a problem, just delivering more missiles for the israel, they are running short from killing so many children.

...from killing so many children.

One day the Palestenians will learn that rocket bases are not the best places to let their children play. Shit, they'll never grow up to be good suicide bombers if they keep doing that.

One day the Palestenians will learn that rocket bases are not the best places to let their children play. Shit, they'll never grow up to be good suicide bombers if they keep doing that.

This isn't America where there is land aplenty to have miles of areas to have playgrounds and military bases far apart.

One day maybe we won't support a country that targets children for punishing others.

I also find it within Goats character to blame the palestinians for having their children targeted. This admittance is sad, but yet whines about his lost loved one with words.

How far has this individual declined.

One day maybe we won't support a country that targets children for punishing others.

I'd like to see a link that says Israel targets children. Can't provide it? Didn't think so. More blah blah blah from runny sore

If the Palestenians allowed their kids to play near their own houses, they'd be safe. Israel, using American weaponry, is capable of surgical strikes. The children that got killed last week were playing in the rocket base. What were they doing there?

This admittance is sad

You're denial is sadder

Your denial is sad.

The children were playing in a field across the street from their apartment building. Talk about false denial.

Sad but it clearly shows you emotional flux in certain areas of your life.

You claim emotions over words about your paste relationship but show no compassion for children being targeted by Israel.

With this type of attitude most would begin to see how correct spud was about you, not the other way around.

paste relationship

Is this anything like bonding?

BTW, if you haven't noticed, I'm not biting the "dead wife" bait you keep throwing out. Grow up and move on, OK? What a child you are.

being targeted by Israel

I'm still waiting for that link about Israel targeting children. Just because you keep saying it doesn't make it so, you know. Outside you head, I mean.

BTW, if you haven't noticed, I'm not biting the "dead wife" bait you keep throwing out. Grow up and move on, OK? What a child you are.

Sorry you whined about that emotional hurtful crap so much and now it clearly show what falsehood that happens to be, I shall reflect the character you provide when I wish.

You continue to slash and dash at spud and expect those who see the false character crap you provided to be ignored. Won't happen with me.

Won't happen with me.

ooooh. So tough and virile. I'm awesomely impressed.

Nothing to do with tough, just stating the convolution of your character and how your postings don't align with it.

You seem to take some resented pleasure in attacking those whom you perceive to have done you wrong, but when looking at the who emotional output performed by you the notion doesn't jive.

If those emotions did jive about loved ones the stand you take with the children wouldn't fit. And since you take the cruel stand with the children it has to be nothing but false emotions used against spud.

GOATMAN

Left you a post on the ELF thread....

(really late, some typos :-)

If those emotions did jive about loved ones the stand you take with the children wouldn't fit.

If you spoke the truth, you'd provide a link that says that Israel is targeting children. Still can't do it? Didn't think so.

As with everything you post: blah blah blah

signed:

your friendly neighborhood condescending women loser with the character of a no remorse children killer.

Love ya, sweetie pie

According to data collected by human rights group B'Tselem, Israel is responsible for killing more than 850 Palestinian children and teenagers since al-Dura was killed, including 92 in the past year alone. Last October, we killed 31 children in Gaza. This is what should have raised a storm and not the measurements by the former head of the Israel Defense Forces' Southern Command, Yom Tov Samiyeh, aimed at proving that his soldiers did not kill al-Dura, or the "investigations" by the physicist Nahum Shahaf. In an eccentric obsession, Shahaf has devoted the past years to this affair

And the evidence shall go on and on with full knowledge by you goat but your character of prove this instead of the character you so much wish people to see. Prove this is just a false denial of what you know.

Yes, kids were killed. I'm not denying that. You claim they were targeted. Got a link that says that? BTW, give the link, not a cut and paste. I don't want to read what you have cherry picked from an article.

Yes, children were killed?

It shows the carelessness of israel and the respect that should be shown the children. Are you saying the aircraft pilots flying by and targeting the area couldn't see the children playing in the field? Is that what you are saying? The pilot just fired blindly at the target? Either of the two shows a willfull carelessness for no other reason than they knew what was there but didn't care.

rational thought doesn't seem to be within your so hard felt emotional character.

Are you saying the aircraft pilots flying by and targeting the area couldn't see the children playing in the field? Is that what you are saying?

No, what I am saying is simple. You claim children were targeted. Do you or do you not have a link to a credible source that supports your claims?

BTW, pilots are probably miles from their target when they release their missles. So to answer your deflection -- I mean question -- I doubt if the fighter-bomber pilots see the people that get killed.

Or do you have a link that supports your inference that Israeli pilots see the children they have killed from their jets?

rational thought doesn't seem to be within your so hard felt emotional character

Providing data to support your wild claims doesn't seem to be a part of yours.

At least we learn.

Goat,

How many israeli children have been killed by the firecracker rockets launched by Hez?

You seemed to avoid the actual carelessness which israel has launched its very high tech. missles from their aircraft which have pin point accuracy.

The pilot just fired blindly at the target?

You really need to brush up on modern arms, runnysore. The pilots know the coordinates of the target. With the new-fangled gadgets they have these days, they can program the coordinates into a missle. It is not "blind" firing. It is amazing technology and has been around since mid 20th century. Get with the times, dude.

Amazing that someone who can obviously use a computer still thinks that you have to see the whites of their eyes before you shoot. Simply amazing.

*sigh*

Do you or do you not have a link to back up your claim that Israeli figher pilots are targeting children?

It's a simply question, runnysore.

You seemed to avoid the actual carelessness

You seem to avoid the actual request of a link to back up your outrageous claims that Israeli fighters target children.

This is a silly argument. All Hammas has to do is stop firing missles into Isreal and all this stops. We all know that they purposely put the fireing stations were there are women and children to get the responses found posted here. These people do not deserve to be called human. To defend their inhumanity or their stupidity is sensless.

One day maybe we won't support a country that targets children for punishing others.
Posted by moneywar

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One day maybe we'll actually get smart and get the hell out of the Middle East all together.

So, I'm assuming the suicide bombers and rocketeers avoid children then?

Don't suppose these same people would try to hide behind women and children in order to avoid retaliation, would they?

Isn't this the same old crap? Why is a child casualty worse than some other kind of casualty?

Wake up. Terrorists try to make states lose by inflicting civilian casualties and then causing civilian casualties on their own side, and then whining about it. Are you lefties stupid enough to give them that set of rules? Apparently, they believe so.

Wars kill people. That's their nature. If the guy shooting rockets is hiding in the gradeschool, then go get him. Sooner or later, even the idiots allowing these thugs to hide amongst them will see that that is a very expensive choice.

The way to beat terrorists is to make things prohibitively expensive for those who harbor them....period. Such is the world, whether or not lefties realize it.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

But the scale of killing by Israel and the Palestinians are of entirely different magnitudes. Israel uses hi-tech mass killing and bulldozers, thanks to US sponsorship. Palestinians have to make lo-tech suicidal statements because they are extremely poor.

Israel has been successful in taking land and water, which is what the conflict is really about. But if you fight to keep your land and water, US papers will label you a terrorist. Never mind that their behavior mimics American Revolutionaries.

The idea that BushCo or Israel is going to kill their way to peaceful co-existence or control of oil is absurd. Look what happened in Vietnam.

Everyone else on the planet who controls oil has gotten to that point by killing people.

American Revolutionaries did not make a habit of indescriminately blowing up markets and weddings.

A poor people does not have more license to kill than a rich one.

How you kill lots of people is not really relevant. Bulldozer or rocket, who cares if you're dead?

What happened in Vietnam is that we tried to play nice by fighting a "limited war". That's why we lost. It's also why millions of people were killed in Cambodia after we left.

Limited wars are foolish, costly, and morally reprehensible. If you're going to kill people, do it and end things as quickly as you can. Don't drag it out so that this endless finger-pointing just drags the killing on. Fight. Win. Move on.

I don't know how you expect Israel to make peace with states who have sworn to destroy them....even less with terrorist organizations who don't care about water, but simply want to kill people.

I wish they'd taken part of Germany and put Israel there, but they didn't. Arab states have been slow to adjust. Those that have, don't have trouble with Israel. When somebody decisively wins, that will end it. Until then, the killing goes on (in spite of Bill Clinton taking credit for ending it), and it doesn't matter if its by bulldozer or rock.

JONRYKER...everything you said here is absolutely true. However, it's going to have about as much effect with our little leftist friends as a fart in a tornado. Kinder, gentler, drawn out wars are much more inhumane than "gettin' 'er done" and quicky restoring peace and order. The mess with Israel in Lebanon is an excellent example. Churchill said it best when he said,"When you go to cut off a dog's tail, you don't do it an inch at a time."

"What happened in Vietnam is that we tried to play nice by fighting a "limited war". That's why we lost."

"What experience and history teach is this - that people and governments never have learned anything from history, or acted on principles deduced from it." - Georg Friedrich Wilhelm Hegel

I'll admit that JON and JEST have a point. Fast, violent conflicts tend to be resolved more quickly. It's exactly why police swat teams move in on a target with overwhelming force in a loud and violent manner to subdue them.

The problem with this logic is, that the slow and inhumane way in which this war was prosecuted was NOT the "leftists" fault, as many would like to believe.

We went in with fewer troops and equipment that we needed, and they were spread so thin that they couldn't prosecute the war as quickly and efficiently as it needed to be. Whose fault is this? Rumsfeld and his lackies. Rumsfeld tried to prosecute the war with less than half of what the actual military experts suggested, and when it backfired, Bush in all his stubbornness refused to change tactic for fear of having to admit he was wrong. That's why we're where we are today.

Any attempt to place the blame on "lefties" for this fault is simply denying the truth.

"Any attempt to place the blame on "lefties" for this fault is simply denying the truth."

I certainly wasn't trying to blame the "lefties" for the miserable way in which the whole operation from the beginning was FUBAR. My angst with the "lefties" is from the crap we get from the mainstream media against our forces and from the things said by persons such as Kerry and Murtha about the troops. They are not terrorists and baby killers as so many have depicted them.

Here is a thought, maybe if those assclowns would stop sending rockets into Isreal, Isreal would stop blowing the shit out of them. Any dead Palistinian children are caused by their own parents who are starting the attacks. Dont blame Isreal for fighting back.

Crotch Fur, do not start another damn war. Isn't two enough for anyone?

Ddenton,

The decision to prosecute the war that way was Rumsfield's and Bush's.

The fact that they had a gutted military was Clinton's fault.

So, they both are to blame in their own right.

Wars shouldn't be a liberal/conservative thing. Wars should be fought when there are compelling reasons to do so and when other options are not viable.

Leftists in Europe and the US are fundamentally against war...period. This is simply a failure to realize human nature...some people do not respond to discussions and negotiations. They simply respond to force. These are, not coincidentally, the same terrorists and maverick regimes who run around doing nasty things to people. They can not effectively be negotiated with. Like the playground bully, they must be punched in the mouth.

Therefore, sometimes war is necessary and right and the only option.

To that end, the military should be kept ready for such a task and we should not be afraid to use it in those circumstances. We certainly should not be worried about running around checking to see it the whole world agrees with us.

We should be able to have a sensible discussion amongst our leaders to determine if the war is necessary. Right now, that discussion is impossible with Democrats, as they simply never find reason to countenance war. I don't blame Bush for ignoring most of them. It was his only option if he wanted to get anything done.

Agree with his decision or not, you have to say that he did what he thought needed to be done. Time will tell if it was fundamentally the right choice (the execution was clearly wrong), but it will have to be a lot more time than anyone has allowed to this point.

"The fact that they had a gutted military was Clinton's fault."

ROTFLMAO!!!

And they said rightwingers had no sense of humor!

Hans

Hans,

You can laugh about right wingers as much as you like but the statement is true. Clinton esentially did gut the military during his time in office. That was probably the biggest money saving that he did to give the impression that he was balancing the budget. I was in during his entire 8 years in office and the cuts that we went through were huge.

I'm not trying to throw out blame here but the statement made above is true.

"Clinton esentially did gut the military during his time in office."

What a fascinating trick, considering the GOP controlled the purse strings (Congress) for six of Clinton's eight years in office.

"I was in during his entire 8 years in office and the cuts that we went through were huge."

Oops:

I'm referring to financial cuts.

To pontificate a bit,

Yes, it may be true that Clinton "gutted" the military machine that we had
become, but he didn't have the forethought (audacity?) that we would try to fight an
unnecessary, preemptive war against a sovereign nation and do so with inept leadership.

The Military was still an awesome machine going into Mr. Bush's leadership. With no cold war to
fight and without provoking the "Axis of Evil" we were in a position to spend (or return some) of our tax dollars in
ways that may have better helped us continue to be the most prosperous nation on earth.

Possibly, if defense spending were directed more astutely to development of technology
and new innovations, not necessarily for failing, politically motivated projects
(such as the stretegic space initiative), not given out to cronies of the political establishment
and possibly if spending were invested in better incentives and care
for brave, dedicated men and womed to actually pursue a career in the military,
we would be in a slightly better international position to dictate (lead by example) policy around the world
which seems to be one of our objectives.

If you are interested in how we have degenerated into the current sad state of affairs by
becoming the Military Complex many apparently admire, take a look at a trilogy of books by
Chalmers Johnson: Blowback, Sorrows of Empire, and Nemisis. While he clearly has disdain
for the Bush dictatorship, he is also very critical of the past administrations, including Clinton,
and he describes how we have arrived where we are today and where we may be going.

I won't go so far as Mrs. Obama, but it is becoming a little tougher to wake up each day content with the
present and future direction this country is moving.

To pontificate a bit,

Yes, it may be true that Clinton "gutted" the military machine that we had
become, but he didn't have the forethought (audacity?) that we would try to fight an
unnecessary, preemptive war against a sovereign nation and do so with inept leadership.

The Military was still an awesome machine going into Mr. Bush's leadership. With no cold war to
fight and without provoking the "Axis of Evil" we were in a position to spend (or return some) of our tax dollars in
ways that may have better helped us continue to be the most prosperous nation on earth.

Possibly, if defense spending were directed more astutely to development of technology
and new innovations, not necessarily for failing, politically motivated projects
(such as the stretegic space initiative), not given out to cronies of the political establishment
and possibly if spending were invested in better incentives and care
for brave, dedicated men and womed to actually pursue a career in the military,
we would be in a slightly better international position to dictate (lead by example) policy around the world
which seems to be one of our objectives.

If you are interested in how we have degenerated into the current sad state of affairs by
becoming the Military Complex many apparently admire, take a look at a trilogy of books by
Chalmers Johnson: Blowback, Sorrows of Empire, and Nemisis. While he clearly has disdain
for the Bush dictatorship, he is also very critical of the past administrations, including Clinton,
and he describes how we have arrived where we are today and where we may be going.

I won't go so far as Mrs. Obama, but it is becoming a little tougher to wake up each day content with the
present and future direction this country is moving.

After failing to anticipate Hamas's victory over Fatah in the 2006 Palestinian election, the White House cooked up yet another scandalously covert and self-defeating Middle East debacle: part Iran-contra, part Bay of Pigs. With confidential documents, corroborated by outraged former and current U.S. officials, David Rose reveals how President Bush, Condoleezza Rice, and Deputy National-Security Adviser Elliott Abrams backed an armed force under Fatah strongman Muhammad Dahlan, touching off a bloody civil war in Gaza and leaving Hamas stronger than ever.

A video reveals a bare room with white walls and a black-and-white tiled floor, where abu Dan's father is forced to sit and listen to his son's shrieks of pain. It shows abu Dan kneeling, his hands bound behind his back, and screaming as his captors pummel him with a black iron rod. "I lost all the skin on my back from the beatings," he says. "Instead of medicine, they poured perfume on my wounds. It felt as if they had taken a sword to my injuries."

Afterward, abu Dan says, he and two of the others were driven to a market square. "They told us they were going to kill us. They made us sit on the ground." He rolls up the legs of his trousers to display the circular scars that are evidence of what happened next: "They shot our knees and feet--five bullets each. I spent four months in a wheelchair."

Abu Dan had no way of knowing it, but his tormentors had a secret ally: the administration of President George W. Bush.

A clue comes toward the end of the video, which was found in a Fatah security building by Hamas fighters last June. Still bound and blindfolded, the prisoners are made to echo a rhythmic chant yelled by one of their captors: "By blood, by soul, we sacrifice ourselves for Muhammad Dahlan! Long live Muhammad Dahlan!"

There is no one more hated among Hamas members than Muhammad Dahlan, long Fatah's resident strongman in Gaza. Dahlan, who most recently served as Abbas's national-security adviser, has spent more than a decade battling Hamas.

Bush has met Dahlan on at least three occasions. After talks at the White House in July 2003, Bush publicly praised Dahlan as "a good, solid leader." In private, say multiple Israeli and American officials, the U.S. president described him as "our guy."

Our evil greedfucker President routinely declares we do not torture despite all the evidence to the contrary. Neither does Israel I suppose.

After failing to anticipate Hamas's victory over Fatah in the 2006 Palestinian election, the White House cooked up yet another scandalously covert and self-defeating Middle East debacle: part Iran-contra, part Bay of Pigs. With confidential documents, corroborated by outraged former and current U.S. officials, David Rose reveals how President Bush, Condoleezza Rice, and Deputy National-Security Adviser Elliott Abrams backed an armed force under Fatah strongman Muhammad Dahlan, touching off a bloody civil war in Gaza and leaving Hamas stronger than ever.

A video reveals a bare room with white walls and a black-and-white tiled floor, where abu Dan's father is forced to sit and listen to his son's shrieks of pain. It shows abu Dan kneeling, his hands bound behind his back, and screaming as his captors pummel him with a black iron rod. "I lost all the skin on my back from the beatings," he says. "Instead of medicine, they poured perfume on my wounds. It felt as if they had taken a sword to my injuries."

Afterward, abu Dan says, he and two of the others were driven to a market square. "They told us they were going to kill us. They made us sit on the ground." He rolls up the legs of his trousers to display the circular scars that are evidence of what happened next: "They shot our knees and feet--five bullets each. I spent four months in a wheelchair."

Abu Dan had no way of knowing it, but his tormentors had a secret ally: the administration of President George W. Bush.

A clue comes toward the end of the video, which was found in a Fatah security building by Hamas fighters last June. Still bound and blindfolded, the prisoners are made to echo a rhythmic chant yelled by one of their captors: "By blood, by soul, we sacrifice ourselves for Muhammad Dahlan! Long live Muhammad Dahlan!"

There is no one more hated among Hamas members than Muhammad Dahlan, long Fatah's resident strongman in Gaza. Dahlan, who most recently served as Abbas's national-security adviser, has spent more than a decade battling Hamas.

Bush has met Dahlan on at least three occasions. After talks at the White House in July 2003, Bush publicly praised Dahlan as "a good, solid leader." In private, say multiple Israeli and American officials, the U.S. president described him as "our guy."

Our evil greedfucker President routinely declares we do not torture despite all the evidence to the contrary. Neither does Israel I suppose.

Andybam,

Well, I would dispute that we "had no cold war to fight", as the global war on terror was already underway...we were just taking all the punches instead of throwing any. So, money that could have been spent on training and equipment better suited toward fighting a global war on terror was not spent. Really, though, money isn't the problem as much as the notion that we didn't need our military any more because there were no serious threats. All the while, the serious threat was attacking us!

The mistake Bush has made is not in fighting the terrorists, but in doing that without paying for it. That is irresponsible, as in mortgages the future rather than sacrificing now. Of course, that could be because Democrats, not seeing the danger, were unwilling to slash entitlements as they should. Nevertheless, I think Bush gets credit for this ethical failure trying to have guns and butter at the same time. Bad practice.

Nutcase,

Here's a clue: the world is full of bad people. Sometimes, you have to pick between two bad guys to further the interests of the US. This isn't new. It isn't restricted to George Bush. It's called dealing with reality. The only real hope for getting rid of both bad guys is to try to get a stable, democratically-elected government in there that has the support of the majority of the people over there. This isn't easy. I salute him for trying to fix the problem.

Andybam,

Well, I would dispute that we "had no cold war to fight", as the global war on terror was already underway...we were just taking all the punches instead of throwing any. So, money that could have been spent on training and equipment better suited toward fighting a global war on terror was not spent. Really, though, money isn't the problem as much as the notion that we didn't need our military any more because there were no serious threats. All the while, the serious threat was attacking us!

The mistake Bush has made is not in fighting the terrorists, but in doing that without paying for it. That is irresponsible, as in mortgages the future rather than sacrificing now. Of course, that could be because Democrats, not seeing the danger, were unwilling to slash entitlements as they should. Nevertheless, I think Bush gets credit for this ethical failure trying to have guns and butter at the same time. Bad practice.

Nutcase,

Here's a clue: the world is full of bad people. Sometimes, you have to pick between two bad guys to further the interests of the US. This isn't new. It isn't restricted to George Bush. It's called dealing with reality. The only real hope for getting rid of both bad guys is to try to get a stable, democratically-elected government in there that has the support of the majority of the people over there. This isn't easy. I salute him for trying to fix the problem.

I readily concede that BushCo is not the first to commit evil in our names. Most of the disagreement here is over who committed the first atrocity.

Here's another clue: Cheney, Bush, Rice, Rummy, Wolfy, Pearl are not just the bad guys, but stupid losers that have wasted our financial futures and millions of innocent lives. Most Iraqis and Palestinians are their victims. So are our Guard and Reserve Units. Cheney himself said they would be going over to the dark side.

All they have done is make matters worse, for everyone but their private Contractor buddies.

I readily concede that BushCo is not the first to commit evil in our names. Most of the disagreement here is over who committed the first atrocity.

Here's another clue: Cheney, Bush, Rice, Rummy, Wolfy, Pearl are not just the bad guys, but stupid losers that have wasted our financial futures and millions of innocent lives. Most Iraqis and Palestinians are their victims. So are our Guard and Reserve Units. Cheney himself said they would be going over to the dark side.

All they have done is make matters worse, for everyone but their private Contractor buddies.

US Navy off Lebanese coast? How do you say target rich environment in Hebrew?

Let's just hope Bush doesn't go all Reaganesque and start blowing up Marines.

US Navy off Lebanese coast? How do you say target rich environment in Hebrew?

Let's just hope Bush doesn't go all Reaganesque and start blowing up Marines.

Nutcase,

Millions? Wow! If they're so dumb, how did they manage to cover that one up?

First attrocities in the terror war preceded Bush, or even Clinton. There really shouldn't be any disagreement about that.

The bigger question is: what are we willing to do to promote democracies? History has shown that democracies don't start wars, but dictators and terrorists do. So, we should have a discussion about whether actively spreading democracy is a good long-term plan in order to prevent terrorists and dictators from finding homes.

This was and is clearly Bush's intent. By a huge political mistake, he failed to tell people this, but rather told them he was going after WMD's which he thought were there, figuring that was an easier sell to the American people. This was bad judgment, as it only gave him support for a short war.

He should have done the political legwork with the American people to support the longer-term view. He also should have cut the domestic budget to at least pay for some of this. He didn't. He took the easy way and left us to pay for it later. THis is also a political mistake. He deserves to be disliked for both bad judgments.

However, all that is seperate from the fundamental question, which is: Should we be proactively spreading democracy? I think yes, as it lends to long-term stability. I think it is particularly important in the region where most of the oil is and most of the terrorists are. Terrorists are created by hopelessness. Democracy is the tonic for hopelessness. Therefore, this seems to me to be the right idea.

I think Bush should get credit for having fundamentally the right idea and should get blame for not executing it well or honestly. The question of how to fight the war on terror transcends him.

Democrats need to realize this, get past the Bush hate, and join the discussion about what the overall approach should be and how we should pay for it. Hiding from it is not a solution. Hillary and Obama are both doing that. The American people will see through this, and will ultimately hand them both defeats, in spite of their disappointment in or hatred for Bush.

If Bush were running again, it might be a different story. He's not. McCain wins, even though people don't really like him, simply because he understands that it is important to win the War on Terror.

Nutcase,

Millions? Wow! If they're so dumb, how did they manage to cover that one up?

First attrocities in the terror war preceded Bush, or even Clinton. There really shouldn't be any disagreement about that.

The bigger question is: what are we willing to do to promote democracies? History has shown that democracies don't start wars, but dictators and terrorists do. So, we should have a discussion about whether actively spreading democracy is a good long-term plan in order to prevent terrorists and dictators from finding homes.

This was and is clearly Bush's intent. By a huge political mistake, he failed to tell people this, but rather told them he was going after WMD's which he thought were there, figuring that was an easier sell to the American people. This was bad judgment, as it only gave him support for a short war.

He should have done the political legwork with the American people to support the longer-term view. He also should have cut the domestic budget to at least pay for some of this. He didn't. He took the easy way and left us to pay for it later. THis is also a political mistake. He deserves to be disliked for both bad judgments.

However, all that is seperate from the fundamental question, which is: Should we be proactively spreading democracy? I think yes, as it lends to long-term stability. I think it is particularly important in the region where most of the oil is and most of the terrorists are. Terrorists are created by hopelessness. Democracy is the tonic for hopelessness. Therefore, this seems to me to be the right idea.

I think Bush should get credit for having fundamentally the right idea and should get blame for not executing it well or honestly. The question of how to fight the war on terror transcends him.

Democrats need to realize this, get past the Bush hate, and join the discussion about what the overall approach should be and how we should pay for it. Hiding from it is not a solution. Hillary and Obama are both doing that. The American people will see through this, and will ultimately hand them both defeats, in spite of their disappointment in or hatred for Bush.

If Bush were running again, it might be a different story. He's not. McCain wins, even though people don't really like him, simply because he understands that it is important to win the War on Terror.

And they said lefties don't bother to check the facts. oooops. They were right.

~Goat

The facts?

The fact are as follows:

America spends waaaay too fucking much on the military.

The Military Industrial Complex has waaaaay too fucking much influence on policy.

When Clinton took office the dissolution of the Soviet Empire led to increased calls for some kind of "peace dividend". Clinton saw the sense in that argument. Most people do.

But to argue that Clinton "gutted" the military is an absolute fucking joke as well as a favorite RT sound byte.

Clinton was far wiser in his use of America's military resources than either Bush or Reagan.

BushCo is destroying the morale of the military and gutting the economy by paying mercenaries 3 to 5 times the pay of their military counterparts in Iraq and by this so called surge which is, in reality, just a whack of overlapping tours all bunched together to make it look like American resources are not spread too thin. This has, of course, led to many more cases of PTSD and subsequent suicides, mental health issues for life and declining re-up rates.

Them's the facts. Deal with it.

Hey Goat! Who did you vote for today?

Is it a big fucking secret?

Do you have the courage of yer convictions to share with the group?

Are you gonna tell us all later?

Or should Spud just start making fun of you now?

Be Well.

And they said lefties don't bother to check the facts. oooops. They were right.

~Goat

The facts?

The fact are as follows:

America spends waaaay too fucking much on the military.

The Military Industrial Complex has waaaaay too fucking much influence on policy.

When Clinton took office the dissolution of the Soviet Empire led to increased calls for some kind of "peace dividend". Clinton saw the sense in that argument. Most people do.

But to argue that Clinton "gutted" the military is an absolute fucking joke as well as a favorite RT sound byte.

Clinton was far wiser in his use of America's military resources than either Bush or Reagan.

BushCo is destroying the morale of the military and gutting the economy by paying mercenaries 3 to 5 times the pay of their military counterparts in Iraq and by this so called surge which is, in reality, just a whack of overlapping tours all bunched together to make it look like American resources are not spread too thin. This has, of course, led to many more cases of PTSD and subsequent suicides, mental health issues for life and declining re-up rates.

Them's the facts. Deal with it.

Hey Goat! Who did you vote for today?

Is it a big fucking secret?

Do you have the courage of yer convictions to share with the group?

Are you gonna tell us all later?

Or should Spud just start making fun of you now?

Be Well.

"Defense spending went down in absolute dollars after clinton took office"

From this link:

Average annual military spending during Cold War = $298.5 Billion.

Average annual military spending during peacetime Cold War (excluding Korean and Vietnam War years) = $285.4 Billion.

"Defense spending went down in absolute dollars after clinton took office"

From this link:

Average annual military spending during Cold War = $298.5 Billion.

Average annual military spending during peacetime Cold War (excluding Korean and Vietnam War years) = $285.4 Billion.

I really didn't think the left could handle those numbers. I was right.

I really didn't think the left could handle those numbers. I was right.

I really didn't think the right could handle my responses. I was right.

Hans

I really didn't think the right could handle my responses. I was right.

Hans

Hey Goat! Who did you vote for today?

I'm offshore. Didn't vote.

Is it a big fucking secret?

In America secret balloting is the norm.

Do you have the courage of yer convictions to share with the group?

Are you gonna tell us all later?

Or should Spud just start making fun of you now?

???

What does this mean?


Who did you vote for spud? Oh I forgot. You can't. What a shame.

Hey Goat! Who did you vote for today?

I'm offshore. Didn't vote.

Is it a big fucking secret?

In America secret balloting is the norm.

Do you have the courage of yer convictions to share with the group?

Are you gonna tell us all later?

Or should Spud just start making fun of you now?

???

What does this mean?


Who did you vote for spud? Oh I forgot. You can't. What a shame.

I really didn't think the right could handle my responses. I was right

Yes, for once you were. Congratulations. The right (and moderates) have a hard time digesting irrelevant spins.

I really didn't think the right could handle my responses. I was right

Yes, for once you were. Congratulations. The right (and moderates) have a hard time digesting irrelevant spins.

"Who did you vote for spud? Oh I forgot. You can't. What a shame."

Nothing like a lecture by someone who could have exercised their American right to vote, but self-admittedly didn't ("I'm offshore. Didn't vote.").

Dethspud, the fact that you're not an American citizen does not negate the fact that, like most citizens of this world, you care about who we Americans choose as the "leader of the free world."

Thank you for your interest. Apparently, you care more than those who could vote, but don't.

Hans

"Who did you vote for spud? Oh I forgot. You can't. What a shame."

Nothing like a lecture by someone who could have exercised their American right to vote, but self-admittedly didn't ("I'm offshore. Didn't vote.").

Dethspud, the fact that you're not an American citizen does not negate the fact that, like most citizens of this world, you care about who we Americans choose as the "leader of the free world."

Thank you for your interest. Apparently, you care more than those who could vote, but don't.

Hans

In America secret balloting is the norm

Thought you didn't have the courage of yer convixtions.

Thought correctly, apparently.

You can't defend yer own position so you just attack others.

Weakly.

LOL.

Be Well.

In America secret balloting is the norm

Thought you didn't have the courage of yer convixtions.

Thought correctly, apparently.

You can't defend yer own position so you just attack others.

Weakly.

LOL.

Be Well.

Nothing like a lecture

???

What lecture?

Nothing like a lecture

???

What lecture?

"Thought correctly, apparently."

Yes, you did, Dethspud:

I'm offshore. Didn't vote.

Posted by goatman at 2008-03-04 04:00 PM

"Thought correctly, apparently."

Yes, you did, Dethspud:

I'm offshore. Didn't vote.

Posted by goatman at 2008-03-04 04:00 PM

Thought you didn't have the courage of yer convixtions.


Posted by dethspud at 2008-03-04 04:06 PM | Reply |


You also think a grown man should talk in the 3rd person and fancy himself a potato.
Basically, you're a creepy fuck.

Thought you didn't have the courage of yer convixtions.


Posted by dethspud at 2008-03-04 04:06 PM | Reply |


You also think a grown man should talk in the 3rd person and fancy himself a potato.
Basically, you're a creepy fuck.

Thought you didn't have the courage of yer convixtions.

Thought correctly, apparently.

You can't defend yer own position so you just attack others.

Weakly.

The irony is killing me, or as they like to say on the DR, "a self retorting retort"

Thought you didn't have the courage of yer convixtions.

Thought correctly, apparently.

You can't defend yer own position so you just attack others.

Weakly.

The irony is killing me, or as they like to say on the DR, "a self retorting retort"

Yes, you did, Dethspud:

I'm offshore. Didn't vote.

Posted by goatman at 2008-03-04 04:00 PM
Hans

Posted by Hans at 2008-03-04 04:10 PM | Reply


Sorry Hans, that dumbfuck Candian thought Goatman wouldn't tell him who he voted for, and then in his 406pm he mistakenly thought he was right.
Unfortunately he must have had his eyes on the park across the street and not on what Goatman wrote.

Yes, you did, Dethspud:

I'm offshore. Didn't vote.

Posted by goatman at 2008-03-04 04:00 PM
Hans

Posted by Hans at 2008-03-04 04:10 PM | Reply


Sorry Hans, that dumbfuck Candian thought Goatman wouldn't tell him who he voted for, and then in his 406pm he mistakenly thought he was right.
Unfortunately he must have had his eyes on the park across the street and not on what Goatman wrote.

Nothing like a lecture by someone who could have exercised their American right to vote, but self-admittedly didn't

Yep. I admitted it several times in this forum that I planned to give these primaries a miss since I had no interest in any of the candidates. I also admitted it was the third time since 1976 that I missed a vote of any kind, including local referendums.

But I suppose you, Hans, and all your leftie friends have never missed a chance to vote, right? Of course not, so that gives you the right to chastise me for not voting.

Get a life -- I mean one that includes honesty, please?

Nothing like a lecture by someone who could have exercised their American right to vote, but self-admittedly didn't

Yep. I admitted it several times in this forum that I planned to give these primaries a miss since I had no interest in any of the candidates. I also admitted it was the third time since 1976 that I missed a vote of any kind, including local referendums.

But I suppose you, Hans, and all your leftie friends have never missed a chance to vote, right? Of course not, so that gives you the right to chastise me for not voting.

Get a life -- I mean one that includes honesty, please?

America spends waaaay too fucking much on the military.

Insofar as general spending, I agree. But I do not think the soldiers and sailors are paid near enough. I also think more spending should be done for the veterans.

America spends waaaay too fucking much on the military.

Insofar as general spending, I agree. But I do not think the soldiers and sailors are paid near enough. I also think more spending should be done for the veterans.

"But I suppose you, Hans, and all your leftie friends have never missed a chance to vote, right?"

Can't answer for anyone else. But for me, you are correct.

"Get a life -- I mean one that includes honesty, please?"

Nothing like a lecture on "honesty" from the author of this:

"But I suppose you, Hans, and all your leftie friends have never missed a chance to vote, right?"

Can't answer for anyone else. But for me, you are correct.

"Get a life -- I mean one that includes honesty, please?"

Nothing like a lecture on "honesty" from the author of this:

Hans, the one trick pony, trots out the goatman leaves thread again, for the umpteenth time.

*yawn*

I suggested upthread that you get a life that included honesty. When you are out shopping for it, add originality to the shopping list, too. OK? You repitition schtick is old and trite.

Hans, the one trick pony, trots out the goatman leaves thread again, for the umpteenth time.

*yawn*

I suggested upthread that you get a life that included honesty. When you are out shopping for it, add originality to the shopping list, too. OK? You repitition schtick is old and trite.

"Unfortunately he must have had his eyes on the park across the street and not on what Goatman wrote."

Awww...Spudster is harmless.He has been sitting on his fat ass up there in the rain in Vancouver, banging away on a keyboard for so long, he has contracted optiorectumitis. That is an affliction caused by his sphincter becoming entangled with his optic nerves. It causes his asshole to bite the seat cushion everytime he blinks and as a result he doesn't know whether to shit or go blind. He keeps posting all his impotent thoughts and opinions and SHOULD be seeking medical assistance. The frustration caused by his inability to have any effect on U.S. politics has caused him to be mean and nasty. He doesn't realize he's just full of shit. I bet he has a turd in every pocket. It's best to just take his rants for any entertainment value and let it go at that.

"Unfortunately he must have had his eyes on the park across the street and not on what Goatman wrote."

Awww...Spudster is harmless.He has been sitting on his fat ass up there in the rain in Vancouver, banging away on a keyboard for so long, he has contracted optiorectumitis. That is an affliction caused by his sphincter becoming entangled with his optic nerves. It causes his asshole to bite the seat cushion everytime he blinks and as a result he doesn't know whether to shit or go blind. He keeps posting all his impotent thoughts and opinions and SHOULD be seeking medical assistance. The frustration caused by his inability to have any effect on U.S. politics has caused him to be mean and nasty. He doesn't realize he's just full of shit. I bet he has a turd in every pocket. It's best to just take his rants for any entertainment value and let it go at that.

"I suggested upthread that you get a life that included honesty."

And I responded how hypocritical it is to be lectured on "honesty" by the author of this:

"I suggested upthread that you get a life that included honesty."

And I responded how hypocritical it is to be lectured on "honesty" by the author of this:

...although, you did announce your "defense":

...although, you did announce your "defense":

Thanks for admitting your lack of originality by trotting out goatman leaves again.

Do you really enjoy embarrasing yourself with your lack of originality? Apparently so.

Please, post it a few more times. Prove me right again and again, Mr one trick pony

Thanks for admitting your lack of originality by trotting out goatman leaves again.

Do you really enjoy embarrasing yourself with your lack of originality? Apparently so.

Please, post it a few more times. Prove me right again and again, Mr one trick pony

Nothing like a lecture by someone who could have exercised their American right to vote

"But I suppose you, Hans, and all your leftie friends have never missed a chance to vote, right?"

Can't answer for anyone else. But for me, you are correct.

Hmm. A one trick pony who never served his country admonishing a 6 year veteran for not voting. That's rich. I've given more to my country (6 years of my life) than you'll ever give with your so called perfect voting record.

Nothing like a lecture by someone who could have exercised their American right to vote

"But I suppose you, Hans, and all your leftie friends have never missed a chance to vote, right?"

Can't answer for anyone else. But for me, you are correct.

Hmm. A one trick pony who never served his country admonishing a 6 year veteran for not voting. That's rich. I've given more to my country (6 years of my life) than you'll ever give with your so called perfect voting record.

*yawn* all you like.

I'll yawn every time Hans "one trick pony" goes off on his repitition schtick just like everyone else.

*yawn* all you like.

I'll yawn every time Hans "one trick pony" goes off on his repitition schtick just like everyone else.

"I've given more to my country..."

You weren't paid?

"I've given more to my country..."

You weren't paid?

"a 6 year veteran for not voting"

Now THAT is the quintessential definition of "rich."

Hans

"a 6 year veteran for not voting"

Now THAT is the quintessential definition of "rich."

Hans

Thanks for admitting your lack of originality by trotting out goatman leaves again.

Posted by goatman at 2008-03-04 05:08 PM | Reply | Flag

What! Can this be true? No, I am afraid not. I didn't expect the man would have upstanding character, just another fake emotional dweeb trying to get the woe is me crowd.

Thanks for admitting your lack of originality by trotting out goatman leaves again.

Posted by goatman at 2008-03-04 05:08 PM | Reply | Flag

What! Can this be true? No, I am afraid not. I didn't expect the man would have upstanding character, just another fake emotional dweeb trying to get the woe is me crowd.

I've given more to my country (6 years of my life) than you'll ever give with your so called perfect voting record.

Apparently your wife didn't think so!

I've given more to my country (6 years of my life) than you'll ever give with your so called perfect voting record.

Apparently your wife didn't think so!

Hans, as long as you are harping on honesty, please answer this question honestly. I've asked you several times, but you never answer. (I guess that in itself is an answer)

Honestly, Hans, have you never changed your mind? Have you ever made a declaration and changed your mind about it?

I know, I know, it's a tough question. Because to answer it honestly exposes your hypocrisy. To not answer exposes your hypocrisy. To deny it exposes you as a liar since there is not a person on the earth who has not changed their minds on a decision they made.

So what's the answer? Hypocrisy, cowardice, or liar? I has to be one. There is no fourth choice.



"but, but, but, goatman leaves"

Hans

LOL

Hans, as long as you are harping on honesty, please answer this question honestly. I've asked you several times, but you never answer. (I guess that in itself is an answer)

Honestly, Hans, have you never changed your mind? Have you ever made a declaration and changed your mind about it?

I know, I know, it's a tough question. Because to answer it honestly exposes your hypocrisy. To not answer exposes your hypocrisy. To deny it exposes you as a liar since there is not a person on the earth who has not changed their minds on a decision they made.

So what's the answer? Hypocrisy, cowardice, or liar? I has to be one. There is no fourth choice.



"but, but, but, goatman leaves"

Hans

LOL

Apparently your wife didn't think so!

How do you know?

Apparently your wife didn't think so!

How do you know?

"just like everyone else."

Yeah. This thread is just inundated with *yawn* posts from other posters, directed at me.

But then again, it is kind of hard to defend someone who equates "I am leaving for good" with "...I did leave... For two weeks."

Hans

"just like everyone else."

Yeah. This thread is just inundated with *yawn* posts from other posters, directed at me.

But then again, it is kind of hard to defend someone who equates "I am leaving for good" with "...I did leave... For two weeks."

Hans

My personal troll, runnysore is back I see. Like Hans, he is a one trick pony. Gotta bring up my wife with every post.

another *yawn*

Put new bait on the hook, runnysore. You are as trite as handsjob.

My personal troll, runnysore is back I see. Like Hans, he is a one trick pony. Gotta bring up my wife with every post.

another *yawn*

Put new bait on the hook, runnysore. You are as trite as handsjob.

I think I'll try the one trick pony approach for while. Maybe Hansjob is onto something and I'm missing some fun:



Honestly, Hans, have you never changed your mind? Have you ever made a declaration and changed your mind about it?

I know, I know, it's a tough question. Because to answer it honestly exposes your hypocrisy. To not answer exposes your cowardice. To deny it exposes you as a liar since there is not a person on the earth who has not changed their minds on a decision they made.

So what's the answer? Hypocrisy, cowardice, or liar? I has to be one. There is no fourth choice.

I think I'll try the one trick pony approach for while. Maybe Hansjob is onto something and I'm missing some fun:



Honestly, Hans, have you never changed your mind? Have you ever made a declaration and changed your mind about it?

I know, I know, it's a tough question. Because to answer it honestly exposes your hypocrisy. To not answer exposes your cowardice. To deny it exposes you as a liar since there is not a person on the earth who has not changed their minds on a decision they made.

So what's the answer? Hypocrisy, cowardice, or liar? I has to be one. There is no fourth choice.

Apparently your wife didn't think so!

Posted by moneywar at 2008-03-04 05:16 PM

Drop it. Now.

Apparently your wife didn't think so!

Posted by moneywar at 2008-03-04 05:16 PM

Drop it. Now.

You weren't paid?

Yes. When I went in I made $298/mo. When I got out six years later in 1981 I was making $767/month. Yeah, I did it for the money, not for love of my country if that is what you are implying danforth

You weren't paid?

Yes. When I went in I made $298/mo. When I got out six years later in 1981 I was making $767/month. Yeah, I did it for the money, not for love of my country if that is what you are implying danforth

"I am leaving for good" with "...I did leave... For two weeks."

I actually thought he would leave, just the goatman name. He is far to lonely of a soul to stay away. Thought he would be like BOWA-Loki-you name it type of guy.

"I am leaving for good" with "...I did leave... For two weeks."

I actually thought he would leave, just the goatman name. He is far to lonely of a soul to stay away. Thought he would be like BOWA-Loki-you name it type of guy.

I have never made a public declaration on an anonymous discussion board, especially an entire thread dedicated to announcing said declaration, and then changed my mind about it.

Oh I get it. If done on a thread or on an anonymous board, it's not OK, but all other situations it is.

Thanks for clearing that up

*dripping with sarcasm*

The answer to my question is "hypocrite"

Thanks

I have never made a public declaration on an anonymous discussion board, especially an entire thread dedicated to announcing said declaration, and then changed my mind about it.

Oh I get it. If done on a thread or on an anonymous board, it's not OK, but all other situations it is.

Thanks for clearing that up

*dripping with sarcasm*

The answer to my question is "hypocrite"

Thanks

"I actually thought he would leave, just the goatman name. He is far to lonely of a soul to stay away. Thought he would be like BOWA-Loki-you name it type of guy."

It must be some people's idea of "integrity."

ROTFLMAO!

Hans

"I actually thought he would leave, just the goatman name. He is far to lonely of a soul to stay away. Thought he would be like BOWA-Loki-you name it type of guy."

It must be some people's idea of "integrity."

ROTFLMAO!

Hans

I have never made a public declaration on an anonymous discussion board, especially an entire thread dedicated to announcing said declaration, and then changed my mind about it.

Oh I get it. If done on a thread or on an anonymous board, it's not OK, but all other situations it is.

Thanks for clearing that up

*dripping with sarcasm*

The answer to my question is "hypocrite"

Thanks

I have never made a public declaration on an anonymous discussion board, especially an entire thread dedicated to announcing said declaration, and then changed my mind about it.

Oh I get it. If done on a thread or on an anonymous board, it's not OK, but all other situations it is.

Thanks for clearing that up

*dripping with sarcasm*

The answer to my question is "hypocrite"

Thanks

He is far to lonely of a soul to stay away.

Oh runnysore, not just a lonely soul, but a:

lonely soul condescending women loser with the character of a no remorse children killer.

He is far to lonely of a soul to stay away.

Oh runnysore, not just a lonely soul, but a:

lonely soul condescending women loser with the character of a no remorse children killer.

Drop it. Now.

Kiss my what????

If there is anything I can't stand is false attention getting emotions to slash the character of another.

Drop it. Now.

Kiss my what????

If there is anything I can't stand is false attention getting emotions to slash the character of another.

"Oh I get it. If done on a thread or on an anonymous board, it's not OK, but all other situations it is."

Never said it was. I said most people are smart enough to not do such a stupid thing, like making a declaration on an anonymous discussion board, especially dedicating an entire thread to such a stupid idea. An idea they apparently never intended to keep, or have the integrity to keep.

But if you're smart enough to find my own words where I made such a declaration, and can then prove that I "changed my mind," then you can claim "hypocrite." Knock yourself out.

Meanwhile, I have such words, your words, showing who here is the hypocrite.

Hans

"Oh I get it. If done on a thread or on an anonymous board, it's not OK, but all other situations it is."

Never said it was. I said most people are smart enough to not do such a stupid thing, like making a declaration on an anonymous discussion board, especially dedicating an entire thread to such a stupid idea. An idea they apparently never intended to keep, or have the integrity to keep.

But if you're smart enough to find my own words where I made such a declaration, and can then prove that I "changed my mind," then you can claim "hypocrite." Knock yourself out.

Meanwhile, I have such words, your words, showing who here is the hypocrite.

Hans

"I actually thought he would leave, just the goatman name. He is far to lonely of a soul to stay away. Thought he would be like BOWA-Loki-you name it type of guy."

It must be some people's idea of "integrity."

ROTFLMAO!

Man, that was a real knee slapper. I'm on the floor, too.

You guys are too funny. I have to leave so I can catch my breath. Besides it's prime rib tonight. Also, we have an all hands meeting with our new rig manager after dinner. I heard the company is announcing another 8% across the board raise: Our 9th one of 5% or higher in the last 3.5 years.

Keep sucking that oil down for me, y'all, and I'll keep drilling for it. It's a win/win!

I'll be back after my meeting about 6;00 if y'all need more drubbing.

"I actually thought he would leave, just the goatman name. He is far to lonely of a soul to stay away. Thought he would be like BOWA-Loki-you name it type of guy."

It must be some people's idea of "integrity."

ROTFLMAO!

Man, that was a real knee slapper. I'm on the floor, too.

You guys are too funny. I have to leave so I can catch my breath. Besides it's prime rib tonight. Also, we have an all hands meeting with our new rig manager after dinner. I heard the company is announcing another 8% across the board raise: Our 9th one of 5% or higher in the last 3.5 years.

Keep sucking that oil down for me, y'all, and I'll keep drilling for it. It's a win/win!

I'll be back after my meeting about 6;00 if y'all need more drubbing.

Thought he would be like BOWA-Loki-you name it type of guy.

There are plenty of them like that on here too -- phonys who are always using new names to try and gain an advantage. Give Goatman some credit for not sneaking back in under 57 different new usernames -- something he could easily have done.

It takes more courage for Goatman to say he changed his mind about leaving (as we can see, since he's been beaten over the head with it a thousand times) but you all seem to respect the ones with umpteen phoney "new" usernames more than someone who at least is honest about wanting to come back and sticks to his original name when he does.

I wonder sometimes what gets respect on here and what doesn't. Different values, obviously.

Thought he would be like BOWA-Loki-you name it type of guy.

There are plenty of them like that on here too -- phonys who are always using new names to try and gain an advantage. Give Goatman some credit for not sneaking back in under 57 different new usernames -- something he could easily have done.

It takes more courage for Goatman to say he changed his mind about leaving (as we can see, since he's been beaten over the head with it a thousand times) but you all seem to respect the ones with umpteen phoney "new" usernames more than someone who at least is honest about wanting to come back and sticks to his original name when he does.

I wonder sometimes what gets respect on here and what doesn't. Different values, obviously.

Thought he would be like BOWA-Loki-you name it type of guy.

Posted by moneywar


or Crassus/Moneywar. You mean that kind of guy??

Thought he would be like BOWA-Loki-you name it type of guy.

Posted by moneywar


or Crassus/Moneywar. You mean that kind of guy??

I heard the company is announcing another 8% across the board raise: Our 9th one of 5% or higher in the last 3.5 years....

Poor taste. Maybe the Bush years have been very good to you but for a lot of people they are out of work or working very long hours at stagnant wages. No need to rub your raises in their face.

I heard the company is announcing another 8% across the board raise: Our 9th one of 5% or higher in the last 3.5 years....

Poor taste. Maybe the Bush years have been very good to you but for a lot of people they are out of work or working very long hours at stagnant wages. No need to rub your raises in their face.

I heard the company is announcing another 8% across the board raise: Our 9th one of 5% or higher in the last 3.5 years.

Huh? Was this supposed to provoke some kind of reaction from your delusional mind. Well, apparently so with the follow up comment.

Keep sucking that oil down for me, y'all, and I'll keep drilling for it.

I heard the company is announcing another 8% across the board raise: Our 9th one of 5% or higher in the last 3.5 years.

Huh? Was this supposed to provoke some kind of reaction from your delusional mind. Well, apparently so with the follow up comment.

Keep sucking that oil down for me, y'all, and I'll keep drilling for it.

There is no third choice

Sure there is... "unrepenant attention whore" works fer Spud.

Of course, that one is not mutually exclusive of either the "gutless" or "liar" options.

Be Well.

There is no third choice

Sure there is... "unrepenant attention whore" works fer Spud.

Of course, that one is not mutually exclusive of either the "gutless" or "liar" options.

Be Well.

"It takes more courage for Goatman to say he changed his mind about leaving..."

CalifChris, it isn't the changing of one's mind.

It was the stupidity of the whole drama-queen "I am leaving for good" thread (not a single post, or a few posts, but an entire thread), and then justifying the return with "...I did leave... For two weeks."

Anyone who isn't insulted by being played a fool (see my 05:43pm post, above) is playing right into the whole drama-queen aspect of this.

Courage? You call being gutless or a liar "courage"? But as you said, different values, obviously.

And as for the new "user names," I found it curious that moneywar claimed that I had "a shit load of different names. With the exception of A_Friend, I have been posting exclusively as Hans since October, 2005.

Hans

"It takes more courage for Goatman to say he changed his mind about leaving..."

CalifChris, it isn't the changing of one's mind.

It was the stupidity of the whole drama-queen "I am leaving for good" thread (not a single post, or a few posts, but an entire thread), and then justifying the return with "...I did leave... For two weeks."

Anyone who isn't insulted by being played a fool (see my 05:43pm post, above) is playing right into the whole drama-queen aspect of this.

Courage? You call being gutless or a liar "courage"? But as you said, different values, obviously.

And as for the new "user names," I found it curious that moneywar claimed that I had "a shit load of different names. With the exception of A_Friend, I have been posting exclusively as Hans since October, 2005.

Hans

Poor taste. Maybe the Bush years have been very good to you but for a lot of people they are out of work or working very long hours at stagnant wages. No need to rub your raises in their face.

Are you blind, this is his exact character.

Grumpy angry man can't seem to get women to like him and he can't figure out why. I guess it is easier to play false mourning for attention and hope someone will feel sorry for him.

A user and abuser is all he is, always will be and it is reflected as such in every post.

Poor taste. Maybe the Bush years have been very good to you but for a lot of people they are out of work or working very long hours at stagnant wages. No need to rub your raises in their face.

Are you blind, this is his exact character.

Grumpy angry man can't seem to get women to like him and he can't figure out why. I guess it is easier to play false mourning for attention and hope someone will feel sorry for him.

A user and abuser is all he is, always will be and it is reflected as such in every post.

"Sure there is... "unrepenant attention whore" works fer Spud."

Works for me as well, Spud.

Hans

"Sure there is... "unrepenant attention whore" works fer Spud."

Works for me as well, Spud.

Hans

"I guess it is easier to play false mourning for attention and hope someone will feel sorry for him."

A drama queen.

"A user and abuser is all he is, always will be and it is reflected as such in every post."

Fits the drama-queen profile.

Hans

"I guess it is easier to play false mourning for attention and hope someone will feel sorry for him."

A drama queen.

"A user and abuser is all he is, always will be and it is reflected as such in every post."

Fits the drama-queen profile.

Hans

I found it curious that moneywar claimed that I had "a shit load of different names. With the exception of A_Friend, I have been posting exclusively as Hans since October, 2005.

Hans

I know that, Hans. I didn't read up the entire thread but Moneywar said you had "a shit load of different names"? You sure it was Moneywar and he was talking about you?

For laughs and memories -- remember that night when I thought "Hans" was another name for "Cooper" and you said "No, Hans is my real name" and I said "Okay, I guess you can use it then" and you (dryly) said "Thank you, Chris, I will."

Looking back and now knowing it was your true given name it strikes me as even funnier. You are good at dry humor.

Oh well, as for the drama queen scenario, I sometimes think both you AND Goatman like the tug of war you two got going. Think I'll just butt out and watch from the sidelines from now on. (grin)

Popcorn?

I found it curious that moneywar claimed that I had "a shit load of different names. With the exception of A_Friend, I have been posting exclusively as Hans since October, 2005.

Hans

I know that, Hans. I didn't read up the entire thread but Moneywar said you had "a shit load of different names"? You sure it was Moneywar and he was talking about you?

For laughs and memories -- remember that night when I thought "Hans" was another name for "Cooper" and you said "No, Hans is my real name" and I said "Okay, I guess you can use it then" and you (dryly) said "Thank you, Chris, I will."

Looking back and now knowing it was your true given name it strikes me as even funnier. You are good at dry humor.

Oh well, as for the drama queen scenario, I sometimes think both you AND Goatman like the tug of war you two got going. Think I'll just butt out and watch from the sidelines from now on. (grin)

Popcorn?

I personally think its stupid to take this thread in this direction Hans, start your on thread about Goatman, because nobody really gives a shit, besides you.

I personally think its stupid to take this thread in this direction Hans, start your on thread about Goatman, because nobody really gives a shit, besides you.

Oh and the always irrelevant Canadian and Money/Crass....Im shocked at you three.LMAO.

Oh and the always irrelevant Canadian and Money/Crass....Im shocked at you three.LMAO.

And as for the new "user names," I found it curious that moneywar claimed that I had "a shit load of different names. With the exception of A_Friend, I have been posting exclusively as Hans since October, 2005.

I apologize.

You were not meant to be included, I was thinking about alot of the regulars here and posted without editing.

Sorry.

And as for the new "user names," I found it curious that moneywar claimed that I had "a shit load of different names. With the exception of A_Friend, I have been posting exclusively as Hans since October, 2005.

I apologize.

You were not meant to be included, I was thinking about alot of the regulars here and posted without editing.

Sorry.

Niceville used to think that "ZARKOV" was Hans since it's a flash gordon reference.

Niceville used to think that "ZARKOV" was Hans since it's a flash gordon reference.

"I personally think its stupid to take this thread in this direction Hans, start your on thread about Goatman, because nobody really gives a shit, besides you.

Posted by SilentMajority at 2008-03-04 06:06 PM"

But since no one really gives a shit what you think, Silent, aren't you guilty of the same thing?

"I personally think its stupid to take this thread in this direction Hans, start your on thread about Goatman, because nobody really gives a shit, besides you.

Posted by SilentMajority at 2008-03-04 06:06 PM"

But since no one really gives a shit what you think, Silent, aren't you guilty of the same thing?

Sorry - I meant to say no one gives a shit what you think besides you.

Sorry - I meant to say no one gives a shit what you think besides you.

I had to go back and look what I posted.

"Hans too"

Not the person I was trying to capture so I apologize.

I don't mind the multi names but why do they have to be so stupid and idiot in the blind onesided posts.

I guess their original character is too easy to see.

I had to go back and look what I posted.

"Hans too"

Not the person I was trying to capture so I apologize.

I don't mind the multi names but why do they have to be so stupid and idiot in the blind onesided posts.

I guess their original character is too easy to see.

Monte,

You said it before I could, nice job.

Monte,

You said it before I could, nice job.

I don't mind the multi names ...

I do. I hate them. I think RCADE ought to put all the names someone uses in a list right under their user profile name.

I don't mind the multi names ...

I do. I hate them. I think RCADE ought to put all the names someone uses in a list right under their user profile name.

I see we're gonna have girl pillow fights instead of addressing the long-term question about should we be aggressively promoting democracies....

Well, that explains a lot.

I see we're gonna have girl pillow fights instead of addressing the long-term question about should we be aggressively promoting democracies....

Well, that explains a lot.

I am not sure the girls were using pillows in that bar fight, but they sure were cute.

I am not sure the girls were using pillows in that bar fight, but they sure were cute.

When you posted the goatman leaves

*yawn*

And handsjob proves my point for a third time: He is a just a one trick pony, and a hypocrite.

When you posted the goatman leaves

*yawn*

And handsjob proves my point for a third time: He is a just a one trick pony, and a hypocrite.

So, which is it? Are you gutless, or a liar?

It has to be one. There is no third choice.

Oh ye one trick ponies with little or no imagination. There is a third choice: Fickle.

So, which is it? Are you gutless, or a liar?

It has to be one. There is no third choice.

Oh ye one trick ponies with little or no imagination. There is a third choice: Fickle.

No need to rub your raises in their face.

I understand why you said that CC, but the that comment was for runnysore's benefit. The other day he accused me of having no skills and the only reason I have my job is that I keep my employers fooled.

I just wanted runnysore to see what happens to us "unskilled laborers" who keep our employers fooled.

But otherwise, yes, it was in poor taste.

No need to rub your raises in their face.

I understand why you said that CC, but the that comment was for runnysore's benefit. The other day he accused me of having no skills and the only reason I have my job is that I keep my employers fooled.

I just wanted runnysore to see what happens to us "unskilled laborers" who keep our employers fooled.

But otherwise, yes, it was in poor taste.

Cali,

Born ugly not stupid, pillow fight wins every time.

Cali,

Born ugly not stupid, pillow fight wins every time.

"The other day he accused me of having no skills and the only reason I have my job is that I keep my employers fooled.

Posted by goatman at 2008-03-04 07:12 PM"

You sure he wasn't talking about Rob the AHole? Hey, where is my friend Rob anyway?

"The other day he accused me of having no skills and the only reason I have my job is that I keep my employers fooled.

Posted by goatman at 2008-03-04 07:12 PM"

You sure he wasn't talking about Rob the AHole? Hey, where is my friend Rob anyway?

Sure there is... "unrepenant attention whore" works fer Spud.

Says the guy who self-admittedly is here to "teach" us.

Thanks, ego-guy

Sure there is... "unrepenant attention whore" works fer Spud.

Says the guy who self-admittedly is here to "teach" us.

Thanks, ego-guy

Grumpy angry man can't seem to get women

Actually, runnysore, it's "Grumpy angry man can't seem to get women and lonely soul condescending women loser with the character of a no remorse children killer who has no professional skills and keeps his employer fooled" according to you.

Grumpy angry man can't seem to get women

Actually, runnysore, it's "Grumpy angry man can't seem to get women and lonely soul condescending women loser with the character of a no remorse children killer who has no professional skills and keeps his employer fooled" according to you.

Most people are not so foolish as to do such a stupid thing.

Most people, that is.

Hans

POSTED BY HANS AT 2008-03-04 05:22 PM | REPLY

Boyd comes to mind. He did it in grand fashion. Then he came back under multiple new handles (latest incarnation is Betelg). He was busted using at a minimum 5 of them. I don't recall you or any of the other lefties harping on him.

Moneywar,
I can only hope karma bites you in your ass. Also, if bringing up a certain posters canine adventures are forbidden I fail to see how you'll be posting here in the next 2 weeks.
I hope some of your personal info gets released. I'm sure there's a poster or two that would love to introduce themselves.

Most people are not so foolish as to do such a stupid thing.

Most people, that is.

Hans

POSTED BY HANS AT 2008-03-04 05:22 PM | REPLY

Boyd comes to mind. He did it in grand fashion. Then he came back under multiple new handles (latest incarnation is Betelg). He was busted using at a minimum 5 of them. I don't recall you or any of the other lefties harping on him.

Moneywar,
I can only hope karma bites you in your ass. Also, if bringing up a certain posters canine adventures are forbidden I fail to see how you'll be posting here in the next 2 weeks.
I hope some of your personal info gets released. I'm sure there's a poster or two that would love to introduce themselves.

Works for me as well, Spud.

Hans

Posted by Hans at 2008-03-04 05:58 PM

"got a Kleenex I can wipe my chin with?

Hans"

Works for me as well, Spud.

Hans

Posted by Hans at 2008-03-04 05:58 PM

"got a Kleenex I can wipe my chin with?

Hans"

"The other day he accused me of having no skills and the only reason I have my job is that I keep my employers fooled.

Posted by goatman at 2008-03-04 07:12 PM"

You sure he wasn't talking about Rob the AHole? Hey, where is my friend Rob anyway?

Posted by mOntecOre at 2008-03-04 07:16 PM | Reply | Flag

Mont,

You are correct, it was not me but I like how I get the blame from goatman. Will I get an apology, probably not, it shows his character.

"The other day he accused me of having no skills and the only reason I have my job is that I keep my employers fooled.

Posted by goatman at 2008-03-04 07:12 PM"

You sure he wasn't talking about Rob the AHole? Hey, where is my friend Rob anyway?

Posted by mOntecOre at 2008-03-04 07:16 PM | Reply | Flag

Mont,

You are correct, it was not me but I like how I get the blame from goatman. Will I get an apology, probably not, it shows his character.

Israel is bombing the shit out of everyone in Gaza. Three Israeli deaths requires the dismemberment and/or dislocation of 3,000 Palestinians. Dead babies are everywhere. The similarity between Nazi and Israeli Military behavior leaves little hope for mankind. If anyone has a special responsibility to treat their enemies in accordance with the Geneva Convention, it is Israel. If they can't do it, what hope is there for mankind?

Posted by nutcase at 2008-03-03 10:25 PM | Reply |

If true this shit would be over. There wouldn't be 5 million palestinians left to bitch.

Israel is bombing the shit out of everyone in Gaza. Three Israeli deaths requires the dismemberment and/or dislocation of 3,000 Palestinians. Dead babies are everywhere. The similarity between Nazi and Israeli Military behavior leaves little hope for mankind. If anyone has a special responsibility to treat their enemies in accordance with the Geneva Convention, it is Israel. If they can't do it, what hope is there for mankind?

Posted by nutcase at 2008-03-03 10:25 PM | Reply |

If true this shit would be over. There wouldn't be 5 million palestinians left to bitch.

"Boyd comes to mind. He did it in grand fashion."

Don't remember that, 101. But as I said, most people are not so foolish as to do such a stupid thing, with the emphasis on "most people."

"I don't recall you or any of the other lefties harping on him."

You do an excellent job of it, 101.

Hans

"Boyd comes to mind. He did it in grand fashion."

Don't remember that, 101. But as I said, most people are not so foolish as to do such a stupid thing, with the emphasis on "most people."

"I don't recall you or any of the other lefties harping on him."

You do an excellent job of it, 101.

Hans

I can only hope karma bites you in your ass. Also, if bringing up a certain posters canine adventures are forbidden I fail to see how you'll be posting here in the next 2 weeks.
I hope some of your personal info gets released. I'm sure there's a poster or two that would love to introduce themselves.

Funny, but how are you assigning that to me?

My word, goatman assigns a position to me which was done by Rob and now 101 assigns a position to me that was I think done again by asshole.

It is quite out of character for 101 to be posting in such a way. I wonder why?

Oh, I have never gave out personal information, nor would I even think of doing such a thing.

I am surprised at your attack, it is usually much more humorous.

I can only hope karma bites you in your ass. Also, if bringing up a certain posters canine adventures are forbidden I fail to see how you'll be posting here in the next 2 weeks.
I hope some of your personal info gets released. I'm sure there's a poster or two that would love to introduce themselves.

Funny, but how are you assigning that to me?

My word, goatman assigns a position to me which was done by Rob and now 101 assigns a position to me that was I think done again by asshole.

It is quite out of character for 101 to be posting in such a way. I wonder why?

Oh, I have never gave out personal information, nor would I even think of doing such a thing.

I am surprised at your attack, it is usually much more humorous.

"Not the person I was trying to capture so I apologize."

Thank you, my friend.

Hans

"Not the person I was trying to capture so I apologize."

Thank you, my friend.

Hans

Hans,


Larry on a couple of occasions has made some ballyhoo about permantly leaving only to come back.

2 posters stick out in my mind for quietly announcing they were leaving and then sticking to it:

Kanrei
Pleasantville


Now, if only those 2 guys would renege, the DR would be a better place - a coupla cool dudes.

Hans,


Larry on a couple of occasions has made some ballyhoo about permantly leaving only to come back.

2 posters stick out in my mind for quietly announcing they were leaving and then sticking to it:

Kanrei
Pleasantville


Now, if only those 2 guys would renege, the DR would be a better place - a coupla cool dudes.

Jeff J,

Nice to see you survived the kids while the wifey was away.

Afraid the thread went to hell after you left, goatman stepped in and began his trolling adventurous ways.

I am sure we will get the chance again though.

Jeff J,

Nice to see you survived the kids while the wifey was away.

Afraid the thread went to hell after you left, goatman stepped in and began his trolling adventurous ways.

I am sure we will get the chance again though.

You sure he wasn't talking about Rob the AHole? Hey, where is my friend Rob anyway?
Posted by mOntecOre at 2008-03-04 07:16 PM |
Mont,

You are correct, it was not me but I like how I get the blame from goatman. Will I get an apology, probably not, it shows his character.

You are caught in another lie, runnysore. It was I you were talking about. Better hone up on your lying skills -- this shit is archived. As you can see, you were clearly addressing me with your comment about no skills.

As your buddy Hans would say (but won't since you are one of "his") OOPS

Thanks GM for selling US workers out!

Your gratitude is misplaced. Thank instead the UAW for making sure that an unskilled laborer gets $25/hr.
Posted by goatman at 2008-02-25 06:29 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag:



Your gratitude is misplaced. Thank instead the UAW for making sure that an unskilled laborer gets $25/hr.

Another individual who doesn't know shit.

You are unskilled and it cracks me up you sitting on a cloud making such judgements about thing you know nothing about.

You company could replace you in a few seconds but yet you think your skilled....LOL!

Posted by moneywar at 2008-02-25 06:35 PM |

You sure he wasn't talking about Rob the AHole? Hey, where is my friend Rob anyway?
Posted by mOntecOre at 2008-03-04 07:16 PM |
Mont,

You are correct, it was not me but I like how I get the blame from goatman. Will I get an apology, probably not, it shows his character.

You are caught in another lie, runnysore. It was I you were talking about. Better hone up on your lying skills -- this shit is archived. As you can see, you were clearly addressing me with your comment about no skills.

As your buddy Hans would say (but won't since you are one of "his") OOPS

Thanks GM for selling US workers out!

Your gratitude is misplaced. Thank instead the UAW for making sure that an unskilled laborer gets $25/hr.
Posted by goatman at 2008-02-25 06:29 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag:



Your gratitude is misplaced. Thank instead the UAW for making sure that an unskilled laborer gets $25/hr.

Another individual who doesn't know shit.

You are unskilled and it cracks me up you sitting on a cloud making such judgements about thing you know nothing about.

You company could replace you in a few seconds but yet you think your skilled....LOL!

Posted by moneywar at 2008-02-25 06:35 PM |

I'm not assigning the canine adventures to you. I'm telling you that if mentioning it is dumpable, surely harping on Goatmans wife is dumpable.

Karma's a bitch, hopefully yours left you, otherwise you may find out all about it.

I'm not assigning the canine adventures to you. I'm telling you that if mentioning it is dumpable, surely harping on Goatmans wife is dumpable.

Karma's a bitch, hopefully yours left you, otherwise you may find out all about it.

Speaking of lies, runnysore, have you found any links to back up your claim that Israeli fighters target children? I noticed you slipped into the darkness last night after the 5th time I asked you for proof to back up your claim.

Just another runnysore lie.

Speaking of lies, runnysore, have you found any links to back up your claim that Israeli fighters target children? I noticed you slipped into the darkness last night after the 5th time I asked you for proof to back up your claim.

Just another runnysore lie.

"Larry on a couple of occasions has made some ballyhoo about permantly leaving only to come back."

Yes, although I don't remember an entire thread dedicated to it. An entire thread, complete with a morose, tragic story best saved for family and friends who really care. Not paraded out on some anonymous message board where such a story, and the subject of the story, can be ridiculed. Not my idea of respect (Chris' word) for a loved one.

"2 posters stick out in my mind for quietly announcing they were leaving and then sticking to it."

Examples of quiet dignity and integrity. Qualities missing from some here. Two people deserving of respect for their courage.

"Now, if only those 2 guys would renege, the DR would be a better place - a coupla cool dudes."

Could not agree with you more, JeffJ. Their contributions to the discourse here are missed.

Hans

"Larry on a couple of occasions has made some ballyhoo about permantly leaving only to come back."

Yes, although I don't remember an entire thread dedicated to it. An entire thread, complete with a morose, tragic story best saved for family and friends who really care. Not paraded out on some anonymous message board where such a story, and the subject of the story, can be ridiculed. Not my idea of respect (Chris' word) for a loved one.

"2 posters stick out in my mind for quietly announcing they were leaving and then sticking to it."

Examples of quiet dignity and integrity. Qualities missing from some here. Two people deserving of respect for their courage.

"Now, if only those 2 guys would renege, the DR would be a better place - a coupla cool dudes."

Could not agree with you more, JeffJ. Their contributions to the discourse here are missed.

Hans

You are correct, it was not me but I like how I get the blame from goatman. Will I get an apology, probably not, it shows his character.

No, actually it looks like its time for you to show some character, runnysore and admit you are wrong as I proved with the posts from your userpage. Also, I'd like to see if you also admit you were wrong about Israeli fighters targeting children.

You are correct, it was not me but I like how I get the blame from goatman. Will I get an apology, probably not, it shows his character.

No, actually it looks like its time for you to show some character, runnysore and admit you are wrong as I proved with the posts from your userpage. Also, I'd like to see if you also admit you were wrong about Israeli fighters targeting children.

Larry on a couple of occasions has made some ballyhoo about permantly leaving only to come back.


But Larry is a liberal, so it is OK. Just ask Handsjob.

Larry on a couple of occasions has made some ballyhoo about permantly leaving only to come back.


But Larry is a liberal, so it is OK. Just ask Handsjob.

who has no professional skills and keeps his employer fooled"

I see you can't seem to read and understand the context of what you read, not surprising though that is your character.

You are unskilled and the company could replace you in a few seconds but that is a whole lot different in context of what we were talking about than what you are posting here.

In my posting I see nothing about professional skills and employer fooled, do you?

who has no professional skills and keeps his employer fooled"

I see you can't seem to read and understand the context of what you read, not surprising though that is your character.

You are unskilled and the company could replace you in a few seconds but that is a whole lot different in context of what we were talking about than what you are posting here.

In my posting I see nothing about professional skills and employer fooled, do you?

Yes, although I don't remember an entire thread dedicated to it.

Translated:

Yes, it's OK for the other guy because he ____________________. (fill in the blank with whatever difference you can find between the two situations. Any difference will work)

Yes, although I don't remember an entire thread dedicated to it.

Translated:

Yes, it's OK for the other guy because he ____________________. (fill in the blank with whatever difference you can find between the two situations. Any difference will work)

I'm not assigning the canine adventures to you. I'm telling you that if mentioning it is dumpable, surely harping on Goatmans wife is dumpable.

101, I understand what you are saying and if their is anyone who would appreciate the line I have pushed it would be you.

This is stretching my usual character of posting but I think it needs to be done.

I'm not assigning the canine adventures to you. I'm telling you that if mentioning it is dumpable, surely harping on Goatmans wife is dumpable.

101, I understand what you are saying and if their is anyone who would appreciate the line I have pushed it would be you.

This is stretching my usual character of posting but I think it needs to be done.

In my posting I see nothing about professional skills and employer fooled, do you?

um, yes about the professional skills. (you missed that?!?) But you are right, before I researched your lie, I remember the "employer fooled" part wrong. You actually said "you think you are skilled". Same thought, but I remembered it wrong. I admit the mistake.

Will you admit your lies now -- including the one earlier today about Israeli fighters targeting children?

You are unskilled and it cracks me up you sitting on a cloud making such judgements about thing you know nothing about.

You company could replace you in a few seconds but yet you think your skilled....LOL!

Posted by moneywar at 2008-02-25 06:35 PM |

In my posting I see nothing about professional skills and employer fooled, do you?

um, yes about the professional skills. (you missed that?!?) But you are right, before I researched your lie, I remember the "employer fooled" part wrong. You actually said "you think you are skilled". Same thought, but I remembered it wrong. I admit the mistake.

Will you admit your lies now -- including the one earlier today about Israeli fighters targeting children?

You are unskilled and it cracks me up you sitting on a cloud making such judgements about thing you know nothing about.

You company could replace you in a few seconds but yet you think your skilled....LOL!

Posted by moneywar at 2008-02-25 06:35 PM |

Cali,

Born ugly not stupid, pillow fight wins every time.

Posted by moneywar at 2008-03-04 07:15 PM

Never a doubt in my mind! hahaha

Cali,

Born ugly not stupid, pillow fight wins every time.

Posted by moneywar at 2008-03-04 07:15 PM

Never a doubt in my mind! hahaha

Ah runnysore -- I'm through with you. It's boring rubbing one's nose into their lies. You lie and Hans is repititious and therefore just as boring. There are only so many times I can respond to his boring "goatman leaves".

Wish spud were back for this. He lies too, but his lies are based on ignorance borne of blind partisianship and ego. And unlike handsjob, he is able to come up with new shit. However, your lies are based on stupidity.

It's easier to deal with blind partisianship and ego than stupidity. Sorry to leave you hanging.

Now if you want to admit to your lies, I may find you worthy of response again.

Ah runnysore -- I'm through with you. It's boring rubbing one's nose into their lies. You lie and Hans is repititious and therefore just as boring. There are only so many times I can respond to his boring "goatman leaves".

Wish spud were back for this. He lies too, but his lies are based on ignorance borne of blind partisianship and ego. And unlike handsjob, he is able to come up with new shit. However, your lies are based on stupidity.

It's easier to deal with blind partisianship and ego than stupidity. Sorry to leave you hanging.

Now if you want to admit to your lies, I may find you worthy of response again.

um, yes about the professional skills. (you missed that?!?) But you are right, before I researched your lie, I remember the "employer fooled" part wrong.

I don't see anything in my post about professional skills but you do. Please bold in the sentences "professional."

Again, you purposely move the post out of context and now back track a little with a half way apology. Better than what I expected.

You see, the nice thing about this is the posts are saved and the context of the posts can be seen by all.

um, yes about the professional skills. (you missed that?!?) But you are right, before I researched your lie, I remember the "employer fooled" part wrong.

I don't see anything in my post about professional skills but you do. Please bold in the sentences "professional."

Again, you purposely move the post out of context and now back track a little with a half way apology. Better than what I expected.

You see, the nice thing about this is the posts are saved and the context of the posts can be seen by all.

The goatman ego, Leaving by calling himself the proclaimed winner.

The assigned position did go as well as you hoped huh? Well, context means quite a bit and when not the right words are used and the context is messed up to boot, it makes for a wrongful malicious act.

It seems you are not interested in context, but just trolling to occupy time while your loneliness consumes you.

I might survive the possible dumps because I usually stay within the PC boundries of word usage.

An another thing you probably have not noticed, I still post using the respect of the name you use, it is about character and that is something I you rarely seem to grasp.

The goatman ego, Leaving by calling himself the proclaimed winner.

The assigned position did go as well as you hoped huh? Well, context means quite a bit and when not the right words are used and the context is messed up to boot, it makes for a wrongful malicious act.

It seems you are not interested in context, but just trolling to occupy time while your loneliness consumes you.

I might survive the possible dumps because I usually stay within the PC boundries of word usage.

An another thing you probably have not noticed, I still post using the respect of the name you use, it is about character and that is something I you rarely seem to grasp.

You are unskilled and it cracks me up you sitting on a cloud making such judgements about thing you know nothing about.

You company could replace you in a few seconds but yet you think your skilled....

spin, spin, spin. When you talk about me being unskilled in one sentence and about my company in the next, it is clear you are addressing my professional skills. To deny that makes you look like a desperate fool.

You are unskilled and it cracks me up you sitting on a cloud making such judgements about thing you know nothing about.

You company could replace you in a few seconds but yet you think your skilled....LOL!

Posted by moneywar at 2008-02-25 06:35 PM

You are unskilled and it cracks me up you sitting on a cloud making such judgements about thing you know nothing about.

You company could replace you in a few seconds but yet you think your skilled....

spin, spin, spin. When you talk about me being unskilled in one sentence and about my company in the next, it is clear you are addressing my professional skills. To deny that makes you look like a desperate fool.

You are unskilled and it cracks me up you sitting on a cloud making such judgements about thing you know nothing about.

You company could replace you in a few seconds but yet you think your skilled....LOL!

Posted by moneywar at 2008-02-25 06:35 PM

I don't see anything in my post about professional skills but you do. Please bold in the sentences "professional."

This should be at the top of the previous post, of course.

I'll look for your admission of your two lies.

I don't see anything in my post about professional skills but you do. Please bold in the sentences "professional."

This should be at the top of the previous post, of course.

I'll look for your admission of your two lies.

Leaving by calling himself the proclaimed winner

???

I did nothing of the sort. I left proclaiming you a liar (you are) and said I'd wait for you admissions of lies.

Got a link to that claim that Israeli fighters target children? (I think this is the 8th time I've asked on this thread)

Do you actually deny that you were not addressing my professional skills in your post above?

Leaving by calling himself the proclaimed winner

???

I did nothing of the sort. I left proclaiming you a liar (you are) and said I'd wait for you admissions of lies.

Got a link to that claim that Israeli fighters target children? (I think this is the 8th time I've asked on this thread)

Do you actually deny that you were not addressing my professional skills in your post above?

spin, spin, spin. When you talk about me being unskilled in one sentence and about my company in the next, it is clear you are addressing my professional skills. To deny that makes you look like a desperate fool.

OK, shall we go up this path, it is like debating with BOWA.

Professional skill? Well, the janitor at my kids school has professional skills, but I guess when the district decides to lay him off those professional skills become unskilled don't they.

Your company could fire you today and have a man sitting in your seat doing your job by morning.

But go ahead and delude yourself that I was addressing your professional skills.

My word, the ego is so big that he thinks posts are all about him, I will bet it was so very tiring living with him and all the constant dancing around context because it wasn't about him.

The mallet had to be huge.

spin, spin, spin. When you talk about me being unskilled in one sentence and about my company in the next, it is clear you are addressing my professional skills. To deny that makes you look like a desperate fool.

OK, shall we go up this path, it is like debating with BOWA.

Professional skill? Well, the janitor at my kids school has professional skills, but I guess when the district decides to lay him off those professional skills become unskilled don't they.

Your company could fire you today and have a man sitting in your seat doing your job by morning.

But go ahead and delude yourself that I was addressing your professional skills.

My word, the ego is so big that he thinks posts are all about him, I will bet it was so very tiring living with him and all the constant dancing around context because it wasn't about him.

The mallet had to be huge.

Israeli fighters targeting children? How long are you going to ignore this lie? It won't go away until you admit your lie.

Israeli fighters targeting children? How long are you going to ignore this lie? It won't go away until you admit your lie.

Israeli's are targeting children and the stats suggest this, or did you misread the quote again!

How many of the firecracker missiles killed children by Hez.?

1/4 of the deaths by the Israeli missile have killed children, and by your own admission todays missile can be pin pointed locations with extreme target accuracy.

Now again with this in mind, are they not targeting children, oh, but your response is it is the parents fault.

Shall we start over with the emotional overtures you seemed to cry for in the attention grabbing mode.

Israeli's are targeting children and the stats suggest this, or did you misread the quote again!

How many of the firecracker missiles killed children by Hez.?

1/4 of the deaths by the Israeli missile have killed children, and by your own admission todays missile can be pin pointed locations with extreme target accuracy.

Now again with this in mind, are they not targeting children, oh, but your response is it is the parents fault.

Shall we start over with the emotional overtures you seemed to cry for in the attention grabbing mode.

"How long are you going to ignore this lie? It won't go away until you admit your lie."

Yeah, Moneywar. Learn to know lies. For example:

"I am leaving for good"

"...I did leave... For two weeks."

"How long are you going to ignore this lie? It won't go away until you admit your lie."

Yeah, Moneywar. Learn to know lies. For example:

"I am leaving for good"

"...I did leave... For two weeks."

Israeli's are targeting children and the stats suggest this,

*sigh*

you don't get it still. I would like to see your source. What is so hard with this for you, runnysore?

Why don't you understand this? Link. Source. Proof. Not from your mouth. Get it yet?

Israeli's are targeting children and the stats suggest this,

*sigh*

you don't get it still. I would like to see your source. What is so hard with this for you, runnysore?

Why don't you understand this? Link. Source. Proof. Not from your mouth. Get it yet?

Hans:

*yawn*

I know you love denigrating me and putting me down. I guess I should be complimented that the worst thing you can say about me is that I change my mind.

Oh, yeah, thanks for once again confirming your lack of originality. What is this, one trick -- about 31 times now?

When do we get to see #32 that goatman changes his mind like everyone else on the planet?

Gee, I can hardly wait

Hans:

*yawn*

I know you love denigrating me and putting me down. I guess I should be complimented that the worst thing you can say about me is that I change my mind.

Oh, yeah, thanks for once again confirming your lack of originality. What is this, one trick -- about 31 times now?

When do we get to see #32 that goatman changes his mind like everyone else on the planet?

Gee, I can hardly wait

*sigh*






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Try googling it, the information is available at about any sight one chooses to read and understand.

For you, it is clearly understood that you're unable to grasp and understand any context of what is written so I doubt it would help you.

Following Friday prayers, tens of thousands of Gazans came out on the streets in protest against the Israeli air strikes. Matan Vilnai, Israeli deputy defence minister, has said that Gaza faces a "holocaust" if the home-made rockets do not stop. Since May 2007, these rockets have killed one Israeli.

*sigh*






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*sigh*


Try googling it, the information is available at about any sight one chooses to read and understand.

For you, it is clearly understood that you're unable to grasp and understand any context of what is written so I doubt it would help you.

Following Friday prayers, tens of thousands of Gazans came out on the streets in protest against the Israeli air strikes. Matan Vilnai, Israeli deputy defence minister, has said that Gaza faces a "holocaust" if the home-made rockets do not stop. Since May 2007, these rockets have killed one Israeli.

"He wanted to become a doctor when he grew up," says his mother Sabah Abu Shaar.

Like Tamer, other children are dying, and their mothers' dreams with them. A six-month infant named Mohammed al-Bourai was killed when an Israeli missile crashed into the house Wednesday this week, moments after he'd been fed. The family house happens to be close to the offices of Gaza's ministry of interior, and to the house of de facto Gaza Prime Minister Ismail Hanyieh.

The same day, three other Palestinian children were killed in an air strike. The following day, four Palestinian children were killed near the Jabaliya refugee camp while playing soccer. Two of the boys, all aged 7 to 14, were from the same family. A child's body was found in eastern Gaza, a victim of Israeli shelling.

The United Nations Office for the Coordination of Human Affairs says in a Gaza fact sheet that 80 Palestinians were killed in January of this year, and 82 were injured. The January deaths included four children and five women. The Israeli casualties through the month were nine injuries from home-made rockets.

Just over the past three days, Israeli air strikes have killed at least 35 Palestinians, among them nine children. Many more are injured, and some are in critical condition.

"He wanted to become a doctor when he grew up," says his mother Sabah Abu Shaar.

Like Tamer, other children are dying, and their mothers' dreams with them. A six-month infant named Mohammed al-Bourai was killed when an Israeli missile crashed into the house Wednesday this week, moments after he'd been fed. The family house happens to be close to the offices of Gaza's ministry of interior, and to the house of de facto Gaza Prime Minister Ismail Hanyieh.

The same day, three other Palestinian children were killed in an air strike. The following day, four Palestinian children were killed near the Jabaliya refugee camp while playing soccer. Two of the boys, all aged 7 to 14, were from the same family. A child's body was found in eastern Gaza, a victim of Israeli shelling.

The United Nations Office for the Coordination of Human Affairs says in a Gaza fact sheet that 80 Palestinians were killed in January of this year, and 82 were injured. The January deaths included four children and five women. The Israeli casualties through the month were nine injuries from home-made rockets.

Just over the past three days, Israeli air strikes have killed at least 35 Palestinians, among them nine children. Many more are injured, and some are in critical condition.

Try googling it, the information is available at about any sight one chooses to read and understand.


I did. I could not find one article that said that Israeli fighters targeted children as you claimed. But since you made the claim, you must know where the reference is.

So please, runnysore -- provide a link that substantiates your claim that Israeli fighters are targeting children, or admit that you lied.

BTW, what does your blockquote have to do with your claim?

Try googling it, the information is available at about any sight one chooses to read and understand.


I did. I could not find one article that said that Israeli fighters targeted children as you claimed. But since you made the claim, you must know where the reference is.

So please, runnysore -- provide a link that substantiates your claim that Israeli fighters are targeting children, or admit that you lied.

BTW, what does your blockquote have to do with your claim?

The following day, four Palestinian children were killed near the Jabaliya refugee camp while playing soccer.

I don't think I've ever met anyone quite as dense as you, runnysore. As I admitted upthread, children get killed.

Get it?

You said the Israelis were targeting children

One day maybe we won't support a country that targets children for punishing others.

Posted by moneywar at 2008-03-04 02:44 AM

The following day, four Palestinian children were killed near the Jabaliya refugee camp while playing soccer.

I don't think I've ever met anyone quite as dense as you, runnysore. As I admitted upthread, children get killed.

Get it?

You said the Israelis were targeting children

One day maybe we won't support a country that targets children for punishing others.

Posted by moneywar at 2008-03-04 02:44 AM

Right On AndreaMackris, to endanger children is immoral. Never mind the potential for retaliation, missiles and explosives in a school building demonstrates a callus disregard for the safety of their own children.

Of course the kids are taught to be okay with it so they are just the next generation of jihadis.

The Syrian Solution was to shell and bomb the jihadis into ruble and ash. No one questioned that the ends justified the means.

Right On AndreaMackris, to endanger children is immoral. Never mind the potential for retaliation, missiles and explosives in a school building demonstrates a callus disregard for the safety of their own children.

Of course the kids are taught to be okay with it so they are just the next generation of jihadis.

The Syrian Solution was to shell and bomb the jihadis into ruble and ash. No one questioned that the ends justified the means.

MOMEYWAR uses a report by an Israeli Human Rights organization called B'Tselem.

Who exactly is this organization that the Left quotes with various "facts" always used to undermine and smear Israel.

Lets take a look at these B'Tselem "Israelis"


Fieldwork Department
Najib Abu Rokaya

Fieldwork Director
Musa Abu Hashhash

Field Researcher,Hebron
Atef Abu a-Rub

Field Researcher, Jenin District
Issa `Amro

Field Researcher, Hebron City
Khaled `Azayzeh

Field Researcher,The Gaza Strip
Salma Deba`i

Field Researcher, Nablus District
Iyad Hadad

Field Researcher, Ramallah District
Kareem Issa Jubran

Field Researcher, East Jerusalem
`Abd al-Karim Sa`adi

Field Researcher, Qalqiliya-Tulkarm District
Muhammad Sabah

Field Researcher, The Gaza Strip
Suha Zeid

Notice anything here ?

Islamists often use the laws of Democratic nations to subvert that nation from within. These are the same people who have been working very hard to overthrow the Israeli government. They are nothing more then a mouthpiece of the Muslim Brotherhood and because Israel has freedom of speech and the press - unlike any other Arab country - B'Tselem operates to lie and disseminate false information for people like Moneywar to use to spread their endless distorted version of reality.

The Israelis have video of kids being used to fetch weapons from the bodies of dead gunman in the midst of firefights. They have vid of civilians being used to carry rockets in donkey carts. They have vid of all of it so liars or fools like Moneywar can't get away with his usual bullshit.

MOMEYWAR uses a report by an Israeli Human Rights organization called B'Tselem.

Who exactly is this organization that the Left quotes with various "facts" always used to undermine and smear Israel.

Lets take a look at these B'Tselem "Israelis"


Fieldwork Department
Najib Abu Rokaya

Fieldwork Director
Musa Abu Hashhash

Field Researcher,Hebron
Atef Abu a-Rub

Field Researcher, Jenin District
Issa `Amro

Field Researcher, Hebron City
Khaled `Azayzeh

Field Researcher,The Gaza Strip
Salma Deba`i

Field Researcher, Nablus District
Iyad Hadad

Field Researcher, Ramallah District
Kareem Issa Jubran

Field Researcher, East Jerusalem
`Abd al-Karim Sa`adi

Field Researcher, Qalqiliya-Tulkarm District
Muhammad Sabah

Field Researcher, The Gaza Strip
Suha Zeid

Notice anything here ?

Islamists often use the laws of Democratic nations to subvert that nation from within. These are the same people who have been working very hard to overthrow the Israeli government. They are nothing more then a mouthpiece of the Muslim Brotherhood and because Israel has freedom of speech and the press - unlike any other Arab country - B'Tselem operates to lie and disseminate false information for people like Moneywar to use to spread their endless distorted version of reality.

The Israelis have video of kids being used to fetch weapons from the bodies of dead gunman in the midst of firefights. They have vid of civilians being used to carry rockets in donkey carts. They have vid of all of it so liars or fools like Moneywar can't get away with his usual bullshit.

The children are not specifically targeted. They are just collateral damage. Unfortunately, Military and Political power bequeths abusers to collateral damage. McVee, who characterized his innocent victims as "collateral damage" had to die for making his point. Israel and the United States are free to commit atrocities, since no one can stop them.

In our Bizzaro world any Israeli soldier is free to do anything they want to any Palestinian. But US soldiers can be punished inversely to their rank. Contrary to principals we developed after WWII, Officers, Defense Secretaries, Presidents are untouchable while privates following orders will be discharged, imprisoned or even executed for the sake of maintaining our image as a decent people. In other words, do what we ask, but don't get caught or we will hang you.

The children are not specifically targeted. They are just collateral damage. Unfortunately, Military and Political power bequeths abusers to collateral damage. McVee, who characterized his innocent victims as "collateral damage" had to die for making his point. Israel and the United States are free to commit atrocities, since no one can stop them.

In our Bizzaro world any Israeli soldier is free to do anything they want to any Palestinian. But US soldiers can be punished inversely to their rank. Contrary to principals we developed after WWII, Officers, Defense Secretaries, Presidents are untouchable while privates following orders will be discharged, imprisoned or even executed for the sake of maintaining our image as a decent people. In other words, do what we ask, but don't get caught or we will hang you.

"MOMEYWAR uses a report by an Israeli Human Rights organization called B'Tselem.

Who exactly is this organization that the Left quotes with various "facts" always used to undermine and smear Israel.

Lets take a look at these B'Tselem "Israelis" --GZLives

GZ then goes on and lists a bunch of people with Arabic names. Obviously, because of their Arabic names, even though they are Israeli, you can't trust them, no sir! They are all terrorists or Islamists or Islamofascists or soemthing because they have Arabic names!!! Obviously GZ is trying to nail this point home-- judge on the NAME! LOL! And this guy calls himself an American!

"Islamists often use the laws of Democratic nations to subvert that nation from within"
-GZLives

LOL, replace the word "Islamist" with the word "Jew" and that sentence sounds like something from Stormfront! ROTFLOL! Well, seeing that Stromfront is, after all, an American group, GZ certainly has an American point of view with this point, LOL!

BTW, I did some research-- Here are some more names from B'Tselem, ones that GZ didn't list-- Yes, they are Jewish names, but don't be fooled, they are probably actually Islamists who are Jewish and with Hebrew names, LOL!:

Yehezkel Lein, Research Director
Anat Barsella, Researcher
Ofir Feuerstein, Researcher
Ronen Shimoni, Data Coordination Director
Noam Preiss, Data Coordinator
etc.
etc.

Those damn Israeli Jewish Islamists, LOL! Those bad Israeli Jews-- don't they know they are mouthpieces of the Muslim Brotherhood? How could they fooled so bad? LOL!

GZ also says, "B'Tselem operates to lie and disseminate false information". who really sounds like the propaganda mouthpiece here? The one who reports, or the one who comes on this site and posts a bunch of arabic names hoping to introduce guilt by association??? LOL!

GZ, you don't sound like your too hot on democracy-- would you prefer that either countries suspend democracy when it comes to dealing with the "Islamists" or just wiping them out through a prolonged series of purges in the name of stopping their rocket attacks? A Shoah of hands, please, LOL!

OK, sarcasm aside. Once I had the pleasure of holding a jew by the left arm and a palestinian by the right, helping them both onto a ladder. They didn't know each other, but I looked down for one moment and saw on my chest that they were touching hands for a brief moment. Now they didn't see that, but I sure did, and I'll always remember that! So, occasionally after a few beers, I'll tell the person I happen to be with in conversation that I did my part once in bringing the Jews and the Muslims together!

So GZ, it is a very dim hope, but I look forward to someday helping you onto some ladder somewhere. It could be in America. it could be in Lebanon. And perhaps when I am helping you you might by chance look to my sleeve and see that American flag and suddenly realize that, no, not that I am American, but yes, that you ARE!

Anyway, that's my hope.

"MOMEYWAR uses a report by an Israeli Human Rights organization called B'Tselem.

Who exactly is this organization that the Left quotes with various "facts" always used to undermine and smear Israel.

Lets take a look at these B'Tselem "Israelis" --GZLives

GZ then goes on and lists a bunch of people with Arabic names. Obviously, because of their Arabic names, even though they are Israeli, you can't trust them, no sir! They are all terrorists or Islamists or Islamofascists or soemthing because they have Arabic names!!! Obviously GZ is trying to nail this point home-- judge on the NAME! LOL! And this guy calls himself an American!

"Islamists often use the laws of Democratic nations to subvert that nation from within"
-GZLives

LOL, replace the word "Islamist" with the word "Jew" and that sentence sounds like something from Stormfront! ROTFLOL! Well, seeing that Stromfront is, after all, an American group, GZ certainly has an American point of view with this point, LOL!

BTW, I did some research-- Here are some more names from B'Tselem, ones that GZ didn't list-- Yes, they are Jewish names, but don't be fooled, they are probably actually Islamists who are Jewish and with Hebrew names, LOL!:

Yehezkel Lein, Research Director
Anat Barsella, Researcher
Ofir Feuerstein, Researcher
Ronen Shimoni, Data Coordination Director
Noam Preiss, Data Coordinator
etc.
etc.

Those damn Israeli Jewish Islamists, LOL! Those bad Israeli Jews-- don't they know they are mouthpieces of the Muslim Brotherhood? How could they fooled so bad? LOL!

GZ also says, "B'Tselem operates to lie and disseminate false information". who really sounds like the propaganda mouthpiece here? The one who reports, or the one who comes on this site and posts a bunch of arabic names hoping to introduce guilt by association??? LOL!

GZ, you don't sound like your too hot on democracy-- would you prefer that either countries suspend democracy when it comes to dealing with the "Islamists" or just wiping them out through a prolonged series of purges in the name of stopping their rocket attacks? A Shoah of hands, please, LOL!

OK, sarcasm aside. Once I had the pleasure of holding a jew by the left arm and a palestinian by the right, helping them both onto a ladder. They didn't know each other, but I looked down for one moment and saw on my chest that they were touching hands for a brief moment. Now they didn't see that, but I sure did, and I'll always remember that! So, occasionally after a few beers, I'll tell the person I happen to be with in conversation that I did my part once in bringing the Jews and the Muslims together!

So GZ, it is a very dim hope, but I look forward to someday helping you onto some ladder somewhere. It could be in America. it could be in Lebanon. And perhaps when I am helping you you might by chance look to my sleeve and see that American flag and suddenly realize that, no, not that I am American, but yes, that you ARE!

Anyway, that's my hope.

You deceive yourself BEE.

You are undoubtedly a defender and apologist for America's enemies who also happen to be Israel's enemies and the enemies of the West and all moderate nations including moderate Arab nations like Jordan and Egypt.

Yes BEE, despite your defending them day in and day out these are OUR ENEMIES.

But of course its certainly possible someone who doesn't realize his precious Arabs haven't been enjoying Mein Kampf in Arabic for years might miss the fact that they are bombing and killing all over the world. Israel is merely the canary in the mine and fights on the front lines whether you want to believe it or not.

You did post yesterday asking when Mein Kampf would be published in the Muslim Arab countries did you not?

And you did post the bullshit neo Nazi claim that Gert Wilders is a "Zionist" ?
did you not?

And you did jump to comparing the showing of the Wilders film about the Koran with the various Hate Crime laws in a few European countries that also include Holocaust denial ... did you not?

And you have the audacity to deny with a straight face that you are exactly what I accuse you of being ...an apologist for radical Islam?

GZ....save your breath friend. Beekeeper is one that stood in the streets cheering as the twin towers were still falling.

ho-hum;

GZ:"You did post yesterday asking when Mein Kampf would be published in the Muslim Arab countries did you not?


Nope. Just in the Netherlands. You should read Mein Kampf GZ. Alot of the stuff you post about the Muslims sounds familiar to stuff in it, perhaps you already have. My favorite is your line, "Islamists often use the laws of Democratic nations to subvert that nation from within". It sounds so--- er, third reichian! LOL!

GZ: "And you did post the bullshit neo Nazi claim that Gert Wilders is a "Zionist" ?"
did you not?

He IS a rabid zionist. One look at his numerous trips (he says more than 40) to Israel will tell you that. That is info that can be garnered from his interview in the dutch Elsevier magazine, which is distinctly pro-Israel. It has nothing to do with neo-nazis. Guilt by association is a game both can play GZ., but only I can expose you a fraud time and time again :)

GZ: "And you did jump to comparing the showing of the Wilders film about the Koran with the various Hate Crime laws in a few European countries that also include Holocaust denial ... did you not?"

Nope. I said, "What's the difference here? Really? If its OK to attack Muslims most sacred beliefs than it should be OK to attack EVERYONE'S most sacred beliefs". Whatsamatter, GZ, don't you read English, or is it that you only don't comprehend it?

Don't you agree that freedom of speech is freedom of speech and should be applied to all groups equally? If your gonna fuck with the Koran shouldn't you be able to fuck with the Shoah?

Perhaps you don't because you aren't really an American, but simply a zionist doing all you can to support Israel, even if it hurts America. you don't care becasue your heart bleeds stars of David, not red-white-and blue.

GZ: "And you have the audacity to deny with a straight face that you are exactly what I accuse you of being ...an apologist for radical Islam?"

Again, I call you on this everytime I post to your screeds-- this is all you got, GZ, you're a one punch palooka, a one trick pony-- this and calling people anti-semites, and frankly, its redundant and pathetic. You can call me all you want, its a free country, but it doesn't make you right. More often, it only suceeds in making you look like a complete ass.

"Beekeeper is one that stood in the streets cheering as the twin towers were still falling"

No BUSYB, you disremember-- that was those Israeli art students, LOL!

When 9-11 occurred I was over at Sky Harbor Airport in Duluth, Minnesota. I couldn't stand up or jump up and down cheering because unfortunately I had arthroscopic surgery on my knee a week before, LOL!

But as soon as I was able to walk, I hopped up up and down on my crutches in islamofascist reverie, LOL, you ass!

Why don't we just do it the good old fashioned way.

Let them fight it out and kill each other.

Then we will take on the winner.

lolol

I don't doubt it BUSY

BEE's problem is that he mouths off about things he doesn't know much about as I've pointed out above with his absurd claim that Gert Wilders was a Zionist and his naive belief that not only was Mein Kampf already published in the Arab world but it's been a top seller there for years.

And once again when I point out that B'Tselem - this so called Israeli "Human Rights organization is actually not much more than a Muslim Brotherhood front group consisting of mostly Arabs who are actively working to overthrow the Israeli government and have a record of disseminating false or exaggerated information, BEE attempts to paint me as some racist. But it is BEE who again shows how little he knows about the issue yet doesn't hesitate to pretend he's well versed in what's happening there.

And so here BEE ... this is some of what is happening over there and why I do point out an organization that is held up on this thread by Moneywar as being some sort of disinterested third party or worse an "Israeli" group making it seem like they must be honest in their reporting, is the furthest thing from that. Its part of a fifth column
that operates within Israel using their Democratic system to undermine the country and government. Something that others in related groups are also doing all over the West. But BEE would like us all to think these groups don't really exist or are some small minor unimportant tiny rag tag band of made fanatics that present no great threat at all. To BEE the real threat is :

"the more distinct threats to America as a whole are foreign elements that leech off of America for their own gains, play one group off of another by way of propaganda and media manipulation and as a result make her in a weaker position to confront future enemies."

And so are these leeches flying planes into buildiungs BEE or building dirty bombs?

And I wonder if Spain and Bali and Thailand also have these leeches blowing up clubs and hotels and trains ... huh ? Or is it the "foreign internvention" of Thailand that causes their Muslims to bomb and kill? How about in Germany ? Yeah they sure have lots of foreign intervention.

Clearly, you're a defender of America's enemies. And fo all those who question you, you immediately turn the tables on them. According to you I'm loyal to Israel and not America? Says who? My family has lived here probably as long as yours and fought and died in a half dozen US wars.

We pay taxes, are good citizens .. how dare you accuse me of disloyalty.

THAT BEE ... is un American. But defending those who have murdered our citizens is unforgivable and you do it here all the time.

As promised

Several thousand Arabs led by Arab nationalist Knesset members participated in a procession through the Israeli city of Umm el-Fahm near Megiddo Tuesday evening. The demonstration was held in protest of Israeli military operations in Gaza and involved incidents of rock throwing at Israeli cars.
The crowd chanted "Israel, the mother of terror" and held a sign that read "Stop the Zionazi" in English. Additional slogans were "Rest, O martyr, we will complete the task," "Warm blessings to the rock children," as well as the standard "With blood and spirit, we will redeem Palestine." The participants held Syrian and PLO flags. Some of them covered their faces with keffiyehs, or traditional headdresses, in the manner of terrorist thugs.
Arab Knesset members from several factions spoke to the crowd and reviled Israel for what they called "the massacre in Gaza." The speakers also justified the rocket fire on Israel and insisted it was a reaction to Israeli actions.
Arab MKs enjoy full rights as legislators yet regularly denounce Israel and side with its enemies. A former Knesset Member, Azni Bishara, fled from Israel after the intelligence services discovered he had held apparently treasonous contacts with Hizbullah during the Second Lebanon War. MK Ahmed Tibi is Deputy Speaker of the Knesset and has a large poster of PLO founder and terror master Yasser Arafat on the wall of his knesset office.

GZ: "Clearly, you're a defender of America's enemies. According to you I'm loyal to Israel and not America? Says who? My family has lived here probably as long as yours and fought and died in a half dozen US wars.

I'm not talking about your family and then, GZ. I'm talking about YOU, and NOW. and I'm basing it on what you write on this site, nothing more. And LOL, the only one who questions me is YOU.

Like I've said in the past, you're a rabid zionist who'd apparently put America's self interest at risk for the sake of your beloved Israel. That is what I find dangerous. Perhaps you don't realize it, but I do, and many rational posters on the DR do as well.

GZ "And so are these leeches flying planes into buildings BEE"


No, the leeches are you and the ones who have warped American Foreign Policy into one big interventionist mess! America can take care of the radical Muslims through military force. Theyare fairly obvious. Check out Afghanistan. One thing about Bin Laden, he announced his true intention. Fine. The following day I announced my intention of flying over to Afghanistan and dropping a bomb on his ass. However, this administration was diverted by a bunch of assholes into going into Iraq-- by the likes of you-- zionists, neoconservatives, former leftists, general assholes, and everything got fucked up. That is why I believe they and their agendas are the greater threat to America than the Muslims. The radical Muslims are so obvious, you would never dream of seeing them infiltrate American government and institutions like the zionists have. Sure they might try to stuff some plastic explosives into their shoes and blow themselves up on a plane, LOL! Sure they'll shell Israel with their high powered Estes Rockets! They might even get a hold of a nuke. That's a possibility even with some Unabomber type American. that's life! You are so obvious, GZ!


GZ: "And I wonder if Spain and Bali and Thailand also have these leeches blowing up clubs and hotels and trains ... huh ? Or is it the "foreign internvention" of Thailand that causes their Muslims to bomb and kill?"

Then they should start dealing with their Muslim problem, right? That's not my country's problem. Living in the world is tough, innit? I'm an American, not Spanish, Balian, or Thialandese or whatever they are. I guess if I was I'd act differently, but at least i wouldn't pretend I care about them to further my own agenda, huh.

GZ: "Clearly, you're a defender of America's enemies."

Clearly:) Gee GZ, you couldn't read a fucking newspaper headline through the average watered down, depression-day stew! America will always have enemies, GZ. If a group of them come to my door I will line up to do my part to smite them. But I will refuse to become a victim of another enemy more dangerous to the overall stability of my country while doing so. I will refuse to be used by another enemy to fight one with a much more limited reach.

Like I've said, I believe that this country's Foreign Policy of constant interventionism is keeping the focus away from guarding agaisnt the only thing that can ever do America in-- that being, ourselves and our own trashing of the constitution. I see zionists and neoconservatives (former leftists) as those who have made the greatest inroads in doing that. McCain, Clinton, Obama, they are ALL dangerous. Therefore, amongst enemies, Radical Muslims concern me less than zionists and neoconservatives in this country fucking around with American foreign policy by supporting global policing.

That's my point. You are a zionist, so you may (and you undoubtedly will) twist it all you want to whatever suits your agenda. I don't care.

"Therefore, amongst enemies, Radical Muslims concern me less than zionists and neoconservatives in this country fucking around with American foreign policy by supporting global policing."


Well then there ya go ...

You've made my point better then I ever could.

You're an apologist and defender of America's enemies.

You have some irrational fear of Jews ooops I mean 'Zionists" and "Neocons" who I'm sure you also believe are all to do with Jews.

But no fear of those who state in no uncertain terms, their express desire to see Americans dead or converted.

Face it BEE ... you may not like to put a name on it but clearly you're a full blown bigot - Jew hating anti semite.

GZ: "Face it BEE ... you may not like to put a name on it but clearly you're a full blown bigot - Jew hating anti semite."

I KNEW you couldn't resist it GZ! You've wanted to call me those obligatory things for SO LONG! I'd always pre-empt you of course, but now you're at an impasses so there was only one thing left to do!!! Of course, this is the golden arrow in the quiver of the zionist-- the name calling!


Last time I checked GZ, Hillary Clinton, McCain, Giuliani, Cheney and Bush et. al. weren't JEWS, but they are either neoconservatives or zionists! I think if you go back to my posts you'll see that I'm not a big fan of any of them. I used to WORSHIP MCCAIN, until he turned to the dark side. LOL!

All I would consider enemies or potential enemies to the Constitution.

There, can I shred your pathetic arguments any more?

FUCK, I shouldn't have posted over on the other thread on DR my admiration for Michael Landon-- cause, after all, he's JEWISH! Damn, What was I thinking?? LOL!

(GZ meanwhile, doesn't know what else to do! He's thrown out the bigot and anti-semite tags, but they bounce off BeeKeeper like Israeli rubber bullets off a palestinian baby's head! He'll go on accusing BEE of being a ISLAMOFASCIST APOLOGIST apoligist however.)

Like I said, GZ, you're a one punch palooka... a one trick pony.

I'll repeat in case you don't remember your own words

"Therefore, amongst enemies, Radical Muslims concern me less than zionists and neoconservatives in this country fucking around with American foreign policy by supporting global policing."

And that says it all.

Those who have murdered Americans, military and otherwise concern you less then Jews and others who believe in the right of Jews to have their historical homeland where it always was.

Your words friend .. not mine.

And you don't think you're a fucking anti semite?
Your delusional

And you don't think you're a fucking anti semite?
Your delusional

Posted by GZlives

coming from you, I would have to conclude he is fine.

YOUR delusional

Have to agree with Eberly on that one.

GZ Israel has as much right to that land as China does.... None. All Israel wants is for America to fight their battles for them. I pray for the day we have a president who gives out aid equally. Israel doesn't deserve a dime if it were up to me.

Messiah,

Are you really gonna be stupid enough to start that endless argument about who has the right to what state?

Are you kidding me? When humans first walked out of Africa, there were no states. There certainly wasn't a Palestinian one...

All states have been ultimately founded and protected by force. If you're strong enough to take it and keep it, it's yours.

If not, we should all kill ourselves and will our property to the extinct Neanderthals, which would do no good, be cause they'd just have to will it to Homo Ergaster, who would have to will it to Homo Erectus....etc. I suppose when we got down to actual apes, wherever that arbitrary division is, we could stop, because animals don't own land...oh....wait a minute! They have territories....SHIT! What do we do?????

If not, we should all kill ourselves and will our property to the extinct Neanderthals, which would do no good, be cause they'd just have to will it to Homo Ergaster, who would have to will it to Homo Erectus....etc. I suppose when we got down to actual apes, wherever that arbitrary division is, we could stop, because animals don't own land...oh....wait a minute! They have territories....SHIT! What do we do?????

Not to mention all of us of European descent will have to leave N America and give it back to the Siberians, I guess

"If not, we should all kill ourselves and will our property to the extinct Neanderthals...

Posted by jonryker at 2008-03-05 07:58 PM"

Extinct? Ha! Obviously you've never met a Basque.

Saladin took the land roughly 900 years ago and it was Palestinian land for a long time until the British illegally gave it to The jews in 1948. Their were jews prior to 1948 and they lived happily as dhimmi.

Extinct? Ha! Obviously you've never met a Basque.

I've seen them. You say that in jest, but honestly, from an anthropological point of view, I can't help if there was crossbreeding going on before the Neanderthals went extinct. Last know living ones were believed to have been on the Iberian peninsula ~30k YO