"The left always finds something to pick at other than to describe the issues; we're not surprised at all."

The news release, however, drew a sharp rebuke Wednesday from Tennessee Democratic Party Chairman Gray Sasser, who said it "amplifies misinformation, discredited tall tales and Internet innuendo to appeal to the worst in people."

Though it was issued Monday, the release came under fresh scrutiny Wednesday after conservative talk radio host Bill Cunningham repeatedly used Obama's full name at a John McCain campaign event in Cincinnati, Ohio, while describing Obama as a "hack Chicago-style Daley politician" who had yet to be challenged by

And McCain, who on Tuesday denounced Cunningham's remarks, also indicated Wednesday evening that he disapproved of the news release


To those both male and female that seem to think a lot of the Hussein moniker, a raspberry for you.

This isn't a smear campaign. It's only happening because it's so damned funny to see Lefties get so upset and defensive. You are being played.

Conservatives are laughing at you. Dance monkey! Dance!

Besides, it's the guy's fucking name, just like Hillary! Hardman Clinton.

Besides, it's the guy's fucking name, just like Hillary! Hardman Clinton.


If morons like you want to call Obama "Hussein" or "Hussein Obama" go ahead.

It's likely to backfire.

But don't lie and claim it's just "his name". Anybody who isn't an idiot knows that you use his middle name in an attempt to link Obama with Islam and Saddam Hussein.

Null:

Franklin Delano Roosevelt
John Fitzgerald Kennedy
Lyndon Baines Johnson
William Jefferson Clinton
Hillary! Hardman Clinton
Barak HUSSEIN Osama

Dance you monkey! Dance for me!

Nulli - Dems are doing the same thing. Its not just conservatives. Which is sad.

How sad is it that the fact is his name is Hussein but people think Americans are so stupid that they think if you say it out load that will somehow sway public opinion and make people think hes a relative to Saddam or a terrorist.

How sad is it that Obama supporters actually think it will work - why else woudl they condem it.

Its so stupid. Any one that will not vote for Obama b/c they "find out" his middle name is Hussein were not going to vote for a black guy even if named Jim Smith.

This whole thing is stupid.

Vernon - you do have a point. Is the whole country going to be off limits from saying his whole name when he is President? Who is he Beatlejuice?

"Dems are doing the same thing."

Referring to a candidate's middle name in a not so subtle way to link him with thugs and religious barbarians? I don't think so.


Even John "1000 Year War" McCain has criticized this tactic. :)

of course using the name to imply he is a musslim is a pretty lame plan

Nulli - I agree with you, but the fact that "Hussein" becomes the "H" word is really sad. Thats all Im saying

Nulli - I meant Clinton supporters are doing the same thing to Obama. Ive seen it tons on the DR.
Corky comes to mind.

"people think Americans are so stupid that they think if you say it out load that will somehow sway public opinion and make people think hes a relative to Saddam or a terrorist."

Don't overestimate the intelligence of the American voter.

I doubt this will work, but who knows? Willie Horton worked.

"Who is he Beatlejuice?" FF

I wonder what Harold Ford thinks about this.

"Nulli - I meant Clinton supporters are doing the same thing to Obama. Ive seen it tons on the DR.
Corky comes to mind."

I've never seen Corky use "Hussein." I've only seen rightwingers use "Hussein."

Vernon,

Hillary Clinton's maiden name is Rodham, her middle name is Diane. Just thought you might like to know that.

Jay:

Does she refer to herself as Diane?

I didn't think so.

She likes using "Hardman" as her middle name to remind everyone that she's a feminazi -- she only keeps the "Clinton" on there because she's whoring her husband's fame.

Meanwhile, Bill is just whoring.

Anybody who isn't an idiot knows that you use his middle name in an attempt to link Obama with Islam and Saddam Hussein

There's King Hussein of Jordan - a very impressive and pragmatic man with a very impressive wife.

One of our staunchest allies in the ME.

"Does she refer to herself as Diane? I didn't think so. "

Does he refer to himself as Hussein?

I didn't think so.

Hmmm...seems to me Billary and their followers that brought it ALLl to everyones attention....or have you overlooked that little fact.


I don't really care if his middle name was Sue.

It is his past and current affiliations that are of concern.

Does he refer to himself as Hussein?

Posted by Danforth at 2008-02-28 05:34 PM | Reply

Does he deny his middle name?

I didn't think so.

Still, it's fun to see you losers get upset about this. Make all kinds of stupid excuses and silly dodges. It's his fucking name, and he acknowledges it.

Dance, bitch monkey! Entertain me!

HAR~! HAR~!

The interesting thing about this is the real reason behind the Hussein nonsense.

The GOPiggies HAVE TO DO THIS!!! Their core voter block is too stupid to remember how to vote without some really simple memory aid. The piggies gave up long ago trying to teach them the difference between the letter 'R' and the letter 'D'. Too damned difficult by far.

They have to find something like this so the base can remember who the 'good' guy is.

Now you'd think the fact that the difference of an old white guy and a younger black guy might be enough. WRONG!!! The ballots DONT HAVE PICTURES. Hence the need for this memory aid.

The simple fact is that there is no way anyone other than the core piggies are stupid enough to be swayed by something so foolish as this.

Now if they could only find a way to get the retard piggies to the polls in November. That is going to be the real challenge.

The piggies gave up long ago trying to teach them the difference between the letter 'R' and the letter 'D'. Too damned difficult by far.

Particularily when their only source of news, (ie. the Morons over at FOX) keep accidently mislabelling various pols with the wrong Party affiliation.

Be Well.

"And so many of you reading this will create incredible mental gymnastics, telling yourself why the truth doesn't matter.... you are jaded beyond recognizing in yourself the very same disease you so freely condemn in others."

Boy a lot of words that say nothing. Just a bunch of gibberish.

Consider the source, Moneywar. These pants-pissers are too fucking scared to use the 'N' word so they try do the politically correct Arab bashing thing. They are just too stupid to realize how idiotic they sound.

Dance, bitch monkey! Entertain me!

HAR~! HAR~!

Posted by vernon
You sure are easily entertained,verm...
How much time per week do you watch paint dry?

Anti-Obama people are using his middle name as a phony Islamic smear campaign.

Bullshit.

His middle name is Hussein.

I don't think its so much that the "Anti-Obama people are using his middle name as a phony Islamic smear campaign" as it is the Obama-sycophants might be a tad hyper-sensitive about his status as the spawn of a white, suburbanite, self-loathing, radical leftist woman and the Kenyan, Muslim bushman she was banging for no other reason than to piss off the bourgeois norms.

(That was the thing to do in the Sixties, you know.)

Now you have a candidate with that background---but with the ability to camoflauge it with bullshit, Walt Disney-sounding rhetoric that doesn't mean a goddamn thing.

Bullshit.

His middle name is Hussein.

Yeah, so fucking what?

Any rightwinger who says he is not implying sinister connections with Islam by saying "Hussein" is an obvious liar.

Why is depiction of Mr. Obama's conduct and name somehow offensive. He is named after the Prophet Muhammed's grandson, the Imam Hussein. It's quite a common name among Muslims, as is the name Muhammed itself.

Why is Mr. Obama's appearance in native dress offensive? That's who he is and that's what he is doing.

His success as a candidate for nomination is based in large part on his black identity. Black people have clustered around him.

His message from his days as a "community action" organzer for a neo-Alinsky organization on the streets of Chicago, have been to emphasize victimization and stir up class and racial envy and hatred.

His current campaign speeches do not offer any proposed solutions, but instead say that the unavailability of medical care is not due to the insufficiency of a limited product and that there should be a reallocation, which would continue the shortage. But he insinuates that it is due not to a shortage, but to malice by "other people," continuing his use of hostility against "them" to rally support for himself.

The same mindless position is advanced by him for the cost of fuel. It is not the burgeoning world population and the industrialization of very populous countries such as China and India, which results in an insufficiency of oil according to Mr. Obama, but it is "the bad guys."

Mr. Obama proposes no solution, but just raises race and class hatred, and claims that the reason there is not unbridled prosperity is not because of limitations of resources, but because the other class and other race are mean, evil, and malicious. What nonsense.

But Mr. Obama's entire career is based on instilling and playing on race hatred and class differences.

Since Mr. Obama's theme is victimization and incitement of racial and class antagonism, his efforts to depict himself as other than a power-hungry rabble rousing man of privilege, and to benefit from racial hatred, is grounds for addressing his identity.

Talk about thin skin. Everything with Obama is off limits. Now, can't even mention his given middle name without be accused of something sinister. He running for the most difficult job in the world. Toughen up! No other candidate in history has promised so much, delivered so little and been given such kid glove treatment.

Clue here for Johnson: Obama is black, not Arab. You are on the wrong thread. Beating up on blacks won't win you any blowjobs from GZ.

Even you are smart enough to Obama's not Muslim.

To the Obama name police ...

Is the middle name ban limited to verbal use or does the ban extend to written use as well?

This is serious. Everybody needs to know the ground rules. Politics have become way to mean-spirited. Lets just stop with the middle-name calling and focus on the legitimate topics Obama wants us to focus on. That being hope, change, more hope and did I mention change.

Dear VRW,

How about you just grow a pair and use the 'N' word. That's what the typical use of his middle name has been the surrogate for recently. RED MEAT for the McBush yellow dogs.

Racism is Racism, even if it is somewhat politically correct to rag on Muslims these days.

If you McPussies weren't such F-ing cowards, you would be honest and say what you really mean.

VRW,

You forgot 'unity'.

We'll have never-ending global peace once Obama is president because he talks about unity.

Its his name for crying out loud. If he didn't like it being used, he should have changed it years ago.

Wow. Such language and hatred.

Blog police ... Is this acceptable language on the site?

VRW,

Either grow a pair or go home. Crying for Mommy doesn't cut it here on DR.

Maybe your buddies at the local Klan-wannabe watering hole can soothe your hurt feelings tonight.

Axe,


Are you suggesting that it's racist to call Obama by his given middle name?

Unity. Your right, that's another key part of his standard speech that has nothing to do with reality.

Axe, it sounds like Obama or his people are "crying for Mommy" because they don't like people using his name. Well, boo hoo. Like I said before, it IS his name. Who really needs to grow a pair?

What I think is so funny is that those who employ Obama's middle name aren't usually doing so as an attempt to 'smear' him. They are doing it to enrage the hyper-sensitive Obama supporters who feel their Messiah is above any criticism whatsoever.

"hyper-sensitive Obama supporters"

That's putting it very nice. Your deplomacy is commendable.

"Are you suggesting that it's racist to call Obama by his given middle name?

Posted by JeffJ "

You know damn well why YOUR side is doing it. The message is: Obama=Muslim=Saddam Hussein=terrorist.

I suggest you stop making lame apologies for the smear merchants in YOUR party.

So, it's the Repubican's fault that Obama's parents gave him the middle name of Hussein?

It's his given name, for Pete's sake.

If his name is that offensive and/or that much of a political liability, then why doesn't he legally change his name then?


Obama supporters are the thinnest-skinned people on the planet.

"If his name is that offensive and/or that much of a political liability, then why doesn't he legally change his name then?"

That's uncharacteristically stupid of you, Jeff.

God forbid but what if Obama is elected president. Will the Obama police omit his middle-name from the history books? I bet not. This is only a pre-election issue.

This issue isn't something Obama can just wish away. Like Romney's morman issue, he addressed it and let the folks decide. For Obama to arrogantly just say it's off limits would be like McCain saying his ago is off limits.

I guess when the topics get uncomfortable for Obama, just call foul and repeat the words hope, change and unity til everyone forgets.

Obama supporters are the thinnest-skinned people on the planet.

No, Obama supporters are fairly good natured folks but when they spot an obvious racist attack they tend to point it out.

Obama bashers are the thickest skulled people on the planet.

The Obama attended a wahabbist madrassa meme?
The Obama is a muslim mole/ manchurian candidate meme?
The Obama belongs to a church that is akin to the KKK meme?
The Obama *hearts* Farrakhan meme?
The Obama is really an arab meme?

FAIL.

You wanna debate his policies? Fine go right ahead.

But NO working the racist angle and then whining when yer called on it.

You wanna try calling Obama an "empty suit".

Fine, Obama supporters will knock yer weak pitch out of the park and then go on to point out that John McCain is a disingenuous, flip flopping, pandering, empty suit with a head full of PTSD and a pair of Depends on that're fulla shit

He's also a rambling old man who's entire foreign policy will consist of standing on the deck of an aircraft carrier and telling the middle east to "GET OFF MY LAWN!".

Obama>Hillary>Potted Palm Tree>McCain>Charles Manson>Bush

Done the Math.

08ama '08.

Be Well.

BillO,


My point is this...

Our political discourse has the following names accompanied by back-slapping:

Chimpy
Dumbya
Shit Romney
Ghouliani
Hitlery Cliton
etc.

It's ALL smear and I will cede that how some on the right speak Obama's middle name is an attempt at smear as well.


The point ullimately being, is juvenile as this all is, why is it ONLY Obama that is to be immune from all of this? Why should he be treated with kid gloves when every other politician gets the full treatment?


I stand by my statement:

Obama supporters are the thinnest-skinned people on the planet.

I stand by my statement:

Stay the course.
Never admit a mistake.

That's the Republican Way.

(Plus the racist thing)

Be Well.

/See also sexist, homophobic, classist, elitist, corporatist, ignoranus.

I haven't seen any speakers at Obama rallies using any of those words, unlike the McBush rally.

What a bunch of fucking whiners.

"obvious racist attack"
--DETHSPUD

I fail to see how superficially linking Obama to a secular dictator equates to racism.

By the way, can I just call him Hussein for short?

I haven't seen any speakers at Obama rallies use any words other than hope, change and unite.

Sometimes they change the order but usually not.

bama supporters are the thinnest-skinned people on the planet.

Protective is the word.

All those names you listed simply ridicule the target.

We do the same thing here on the Retort: Like Jeffy Jackoffski, OzarkAnnie, The b00b, MohrOn-pud, etc.

Almost every handle has it's nick.

In Obama's case, however, people who use Hussein are attempting to link him our old friend Saddam, and the alleged connection between him and Al Qaeda - our ENEMIES!!!

Don't tell me that doesn't feed the numbskulls and dumbskulls who accuse anyone who opposes our foreign policy and the invasion of Iraq of treason. That's what is at stake.

I don't agree with his platform on several issues, but I can say that about all of the candidates currently on the primary ballot. That's fair game. So is ridicule, if you want to go there.

What is unacceptable is the effort to discredit his patriotism and loyalty to this country, its Constitution, and the America citizen.

Don't you think the guy has enough of a challenge overcoming the nascent bigotry in this nation?

Once again you fail Jeffy, and there's some of us who are not surprised.

I haven't seen any speakers at Obama rallies using any of those words, unlike the McBush rally.

Posted by nullifidian


Don't be daft.

OK, so those names aren't invoked at an Obama rally now means that YOUR side doesn't invoke those words?

That's uncharacteristically stupid of you, Null.

So let me get this straight...

It's OK to claim with conviction that Bush=Hitler. (It's been done quite a bit, so don't even try and deny it)

Yet, it's dastardly to refer to Obama by his given middle name?

"Yet, it's dastardly to refer to Obama by his given middle name?"
--JEFFJ

Yes you blue eyed devil.

I fail to see how superficially linking Obama to a secular dictator equates to racism.

Given that Islam is a religion, not a race, you may have a point. But there is bigotry in implying that all or most muslims are terrorists, as the loony right frequently does.

Using Obama's middle name is an obvious effort to imply that he is muslim, and therefore a terrorist.

So no, you're not a racist, you're just a religious bigot. Feel better now?

I fail to see how superficially linking Obama to a secular dictator equates to racism.


It doesn't. At worst, it ties him to a religion that some find to be problematic.


Now, if he were a Mormon, insidious links to his religion would be hilarious, but I digress.

"OK, so those names aren't invoked at an Obama rally now means that YOUR side doesn't invoke those words?"

On tiny blogs, yes, at Obama rallies, no.

But there is bigotry in implying that all or most muslims are terrorists, as the loony right frequently does.


Just as the loony left characterizes all or most Christians as "Talibaptist", (remember that word?) bible-thumping fundies.


The right is far from a monopoly on bigotry as your starchy friend has implied.

"It's OK to claim with conviction that Bush=Hitler."

Well I don't do that, but that is an attack on Bush's policies, not something he has no control over such as what middle name was given to him. You see the distinction?

"Given that Islam is a religion, not a race, you may have a point. But there is bigotry in implying that all or most muslims are terrorists, as the loony right frequently does."
--NULLIFIDIAN

Then you better get to it and start condemning all your lefty buddies who get on Huck and Mitt for their respective religions. Otherwise you're just a hypocritical piece of shit (which is probably the case).

Well I don't do that,

I konw you don't.

but that is an attack on Bush's policies, not something he has no control over such as what middle name was given to him. You see the distinction?

So that makes it all better then? I guess it's cool then to state unequivicably that Obama=Stalin. After all, we are just criticizing his policies, right?

On tiny blogs, yes, at Obama rallies, no.


Well, since McCain publicly repudiated such tactics against Obama, you likely won't see his name invoked in such a manner at McCain rallies either.

So I guess that puts things back on even footing then.

"The right is far from a monopoly on bigotry as your starchy friend has implied."

So you concede that using "Hussein" is a form of bigotry.

Excellent.

Too bad there isn't an edit function here. You could go back and delete all your previous posts that said otherwise.

it sounds like Obama or his people are "crying for Mommy" because they don't like people using his name.

Posted by anamerican

Care to show me where? This article is about the RNC saying they think the practice of emphasizing his middle name is to obvious a sleazy tactic even for them, which is saying a lot. But I don't see where Obama's campaign is calling for an end to it. He's probably used to it by now.

sorry, too obvious a sleazy .......

So you concede that using "Hussein" is a form of bigotry.


what I am saying is that some on the right attempt to invoke his middle name in such a way that it invokes a tie to Islam, which is a religion that some find to be problematic.

I've never made the claim that the right is above bigotry, so no 'edit' key is needed. What I AM saying is that slime-ball tactics are used by BOTH sides, yet Obama supporters seem to think that Obama and ONLY Obama, should be exempt.

Sorry, it doesn't work that way. What's good for the goose and all that.

Ozarkaggie,

Were you as outragged over the Romney mormon flap that went on forever? It wasn't fair but Romney took the hit like a man and dealt with it.

In this case, it's his middle name!!!! Deal with it. Don't whine and arrogantly tell people to stop picking.

McCain isn't perfect by any means but he doesn't play the role of whinning victim.

But I don't see where Obama's campaign is calling for an end to it.


They'd open up a whole set of problems for themselves if they did.

What they are doing is the smartest strategic thing they can do: Ignore it.

King Abdullah Hussein II of Jordan is quite a remarkable man, and one of America's staunchest allies in the Middle East. So was his father.

King Abdullah Hussein II of Jordan is quite a remarkable man, and one of America's staunchest allies in the Middle East. So was his father.

Posted by AMERICANUNITY


About a year ago I watched him give an absolutely riveting speech about ending the Palestinian conflict on the floor of the US senate.

That guy is one hell of a speaker.

I've got to run, I have to take my son to basketball practice.


Excellent interjectory point, AU.

I guess it's cool then to state unequivicably that Obama=Stalin

You could do that. And then we could debate the assertion. I would call you an idiot, but that's not the point.

There is nothing debatable, on the other hand, on the assertion that Obama's middle name is Hussein. We know that. We also know that was given to him.

Maybe you ought to start slamming him for his big ears. It would make as much sense.

If Obama DOES choose to address his middle name, he should take a cue for AU's post. He could turn what some percieve to be a negative into a positive. It would be a stroke of brilliance in his part.


Maybe you should email his campaign mgr, AU.

Obama supporters are the thinnest-skinned people on the planet.

JeffJ:

You nailed it. Frankly, I think denigrating anyone by making fun of their name is childish and dehumanizing and makes any reasoned discourse impossible which is why I don't engage in such immature personal attacks.

It is amusing however that the same Lefties here who never miss an opportunity to denigrate republicans by applying a nasty, dismissive and disrespectful name to them are now complaining about people who dislike Obama using his actual middle name to describe him.

And Spud is one of the biggest whiners of all -- outraged at "Hussein Obama" but completely comfortable with using "John McInsane".

Maybe you ought to start slamming him for his big ears. It would make as much sense.


Or, I could mock another politician as a smirking chimp. Or, I could mock another politician's poor oratory skills (which admittedly is quite funny).

"Then you better get to it and start condemning all your lefty buddies who get on Huck and Mitt for their respective religions. Otherwise you're just a hypocritical piece of shit (which is probably the case).

Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE "

I don't need to spend time condemning my "lefty buddies."

There is no shortage of rightwing morons like you on this blog. Do it yourself.

"You nailed it."

You know your argument sucks when Bowa AKA Mr. RudyThong endorses it.

Were you as outragged over the Romney mormon flap that went on forever?

That really wasn't an issue for me because I used to live out west and knew Mormons. I used to buy peaches and apples from them. Peaches so sweet and ripe you could wash them off and eat them without peeling the skin.

What bothered me about Romney was all the pandering. The NRA deal (I don't belong) told me he'd do and say whatever got him elected. Like the Clintons. And as a firearms owner I want my rights protected, just try to feed me a bunch of crap about shooting small game.

Rove put out the word on this because he doesn't want the guy to get the sympathy vote.

For all of our faults as a nation the American people as a whole are fair minded.

Mr. RudyThong endorses it.

Obviously you proved JeffJ's point.

Or, I could mock another politician as a smirking chimp.

His smirking is a behavioral trait, not something he has no control over like big ears or his middle name.

If he doesn't want to be called a smirker, he should stop smirking.

If he doesn't want to be called a chimp, he should stop acting like one. ;)

"Obviously you proved JeffJ's point.

Posted by Bowa "

Didn't do anything of the sort, dumbass.

JEFFJ

I just may email Plouffe.

And yes, King Hussein of Jordan is a most impressive man. 60 Minutes did a piece on him last year. He's proof that we have some very pragmatic and Western friendly allies in the ME. Bashir Assad of Syria is another. During another 60 Minutes piece on him, his London born wife and he expressed a Western friendly attitude and well reasoned arguments against Bush 43's policies on the larger ME.

After 9/11 we were offered help in stamping out Islamic radicalism in the ME by nearly every ME leader - including Iran! Bush shouldn't have given them the finger and then upset the balance of power. Bush handed Iran the largest victory he could have by invading Iran. All this while Saddam offered to leave Iraq and go into exile for a billion dollars. Geez we could have saved a few trillion there......

Invading IRAQ (oops....invading Iran was only a Cheney pipedream)

That really wasn't an issue for me because I used to live out west and knew Mormons. I used to buy peaches and apples from them. Peaches so sweet and ripe you could wash them off and eat them without peeling the skin.

So happy you enjoyed their fruit. You completely miss the point (probably on purpose).

Romney was "mormon candidate". Reminded of this every single day and night. This wasn't a bonus for him. He wasn't embassarred by it but had to address all campaign long.

Huckabee was the "evangelical candidate".

Right or wrong, candidates are tagged all the time. Obama is address with his middle name and the addressers are making racial overtones. Clear double standard. Complete arrogance by Obama, he's above being judge by anyone for anything.

This isn't going away.

Romney was "mormon candidate".

Huckabee was the "evangelical candidate"

Romeny is a Mormon. Huckabee is an evangelical.

Obama is a CHRISTIAN that those on the right keep trying to paint as a secret Muslim. There isn't a problem with being a Christian or a Muslim, but the right's use of his middle name, especially in context with statements such as the Tennessee Republican Party's literature questioning his support of Israel is transparent and dishonest.

You fools shame yourselves twice when you do this, then act as though there's no meaning in your use of his middle name.

Even the RNC figured it out.

Romeny = Romney*

Romney can separate church and state.

Frankly, I think denigrating anyone by making fun of their name is childish and dehumanizing

So do I, which is why I aint voting for Barack Al Husseini abu Osama. That big eared freak may have you guys fooled, but he is a terrorist in wolves clothing.

And yes, King Hussein of Jordan is a most impressive man.

You should see his hot ass wife.

Cheers,
Walt

Obama is a CHRISTIAN that those on the right keep trying to paint as a secret Muslim.

How do you know he is a Christian? You ever seen the movie School Ties? He could be lying, just like all the other politicians on Earth. It could be all a front to cover up for the fact that he is a radical terrorizing Muslim. Hell he already wants to nuke Pakistan. (Which makes all my Afghan friends like him even more)

Cheers,
Walt

I have to admit, the more the Obama's thin-skinned supporters whine about people using his middle name, the more I get the urge to use it (even though I haven't) just to piss them off.

Can you imagine if Republicans whined about the use of "Chimp" and worse to describe President Bush. Would that have stopped any Lefties from using it?

Not on your life.

Obama is a CHRISTIAN

That's true. And he belongs to a church that adheres to a racist ideology, has declared allegiance to Africa, whose pastor (and Obama's spiritual advisor and confidant) lauds him and gives him a lifetime achievement award.

lauds him and gives him a lifetime achievement award.

I meant "lauds Farrakhan and gives him a lifetime achievement award."

His church might be a bit out there but I don't think he's a rabid member who'd subvert US interests for that of his church.

Would you say the same thing if he belonged to a church advocating allegiance to an aryan nation and giving lifetime achievment awards to david duke?

Here is the reality.

The reason they hate hearing the name "Hussein" applied to His Holiness is because they know that every time a bunch of good ole boys hear that it is either going to be a Black or a Woman, 100 more white dudes race out to register Republican. Here is truth, if there were only 2 people running for prez, Oblahma and Hillary. I would vote for Oblahma in a second. (After you forced me at gun point to the polls). And there are plenty of what the Denver newspaper called "Angry White Men" who will do everything possible to 1, make damn sure Hillary don't get it, and 2 to make damn sure Hussein doesn't either.

I will be interested to see the stats on how many white men vote in this general election.

There is low voter turnout in the primaries for the Repubs due to lack of interest mostly, but I bet you the polls are packed when it comes time to man up and stop either of those 2 from getting their hands on power.

"Would you say the same thing if he belonged to a church advocating allegiance to an aryan nation and giving lifetime achievment awards to david duke?"

Or if he belonged to a church that holds a genocidal stance on condoms in sub-Saharan Africa...?

Wait...no, if that were the case, say it were Guiliani and the Catholic Church, he'd get a pass.

Right, Bowa?

"I just want to know today's rule book."

Simple. Using Hussein is an obvious attempt to divide people by hoping for some latent (or blatant) racism and bigotry, not to mention an appeal to stupidity. It's a demonstration of a small mind.

So, by all means, keep it up.

Next we can bag on his big ears.

Can you imagine if Republicans whined about the use of "Chimp" and worse to describe President Bush. Would that have stopped any Lefties from using it?

Not on your life.

Posted by Bowa at 2008-03-01 09:18 AM |

Funny how the Hildabeast is bagged on by political cartoonists, comedians, late night hosts... But they truly have their hands tied with Obama. They can't joke about his name, color, ears etc all the little things that don't mean shit but can be amusing. What is going over the line? Can you imagine a picture of Obama looking like a chimp because of his ears? They couldn't get a way with that even if they put the exact picture same of Bush next to it.

Funny how the Hildabeast is bagged on by political cartoonists, comedians, late night hosts... But they truly have their hands tied with Obama. They can't joke about his name, color, ears etc all the little things that don't mean shit but can be amusing.

crispee, I think comedians and cartoonists who are edgy and always trying to push the envelope anyway are going to quickly resent this PC attempt at censorship by the Obamadroids to chracterize any slight as racist and bigotted. Now SNL has even been chastened for using a white comedian to portray Obama by calling it "blackface" and attributing racist overtones to it.

Most people in America are not racist viewing things through a prism of race -- so the Obama supporters act is going to get tired real fast -- hopefully sooner then later.

"Most people in America are not racist viewing things through a prism of race"

Says the guy who just posted on another thread:

"The only way race plays any role at all is that all things being equal a white candidate with Obama's rhetoric and slight experience would have been laughed out of a race for President long ago and told to get a couple of more terms in the Senate under his (or her) belt."

Bowa,
Can't argue with your point. I think it will be even more problematic for the far right voices. Clinton is one thing and anything went because most was proven true. But Obama is a different breed. Hell you can't even use his middle name. You can't say anything that rhymes with his last name. Who he associated with. Who endorsed him....

Says the guy who just posted on another thread:

Danforth, not sure what your point is. Am I supposed to deny the reality of Obama's race and the overall advantage I believe it has given him in the Democratic race for the nomination where he is continuously lauded for being the historical "black candidate". Do you really believe that a white candidate with such a sparse record would have been able to stand out from the pack and catch the imagination of a left leaning mainstream media? I doubt it.

Ultimately, there will be some people who vote for him because he is black and against him because he is black. But as I have maintained, I think most americans are not racist and will make their decision based on other factors -- his youth, his speechmaking ability, his lack of experience which denies his opponents a track record to criticize.

Frankly, I believe that "ageism" will play a much bigger role then "racism" in this election -- and in a nation which worships at the altar of youth -- I can't see an old man like McCain beating the young, good looking Obama.

"The only way race plays any role at all is that all things being equal a white candidate with Obama's rhetoric and slight experience would have been laughed out of a race for President long ago and told to get a couple of more terms in the Senate under his (or her) belt."


Which is why Obama was considered royalty and was pimped out at the 2004 convention by the Dems. Now they are reeling because it created a split in the party.

"Do you really believe that a white candidate with such a sparse record would have been able to stand out from the pack and catch the imagination of a left leaning mainstream media? "

With his obvious intelligence and charisma? Yes.

"But as I have maintained, I think most americans are not racist"

Yet it seems you believe the Democrats are nominating based on affirmative action.

With his obvious intelligence and charisma? Yes.

Come on danforth-- this is a guy who has been in the senate for 3 years and running for President for one of those years -- there are plenty of chraismatic and intelligent people who are in the shadows plodding along who are building up the experience that until this year was necessary to make a run for higher office.


Yet it seems you believe the Democrats are nominating based on affirmative action.

As someone who believes that Hillary doesn't have much more expereince then Obama, I would have to say that you are wrong. I don't believe that the democrats are overlooking Obama's sparse experience because of his race ....I'm saying only that Obama's race played a role in separating him from the pack and affording him the ability to begin his run for President less then two years after he got to the senate.

And in a democratic race between three senators (Obama, Hillary, Edwards) who all had less then two terms under their belt -- the experience issue became secondary. At that point it was all about the presentation -- and Obama wins that hands down,

Which is why he likely will be our next President.

" there are plenty of chraismatic and intelligent people who are in the shadows plodding along"

You're joking, right? Did you see that speech at the convention? Have you seen some of his victory speeches? This man has something I haven't seen since JFK.

"I'm saying only that Obama's race played a role in separating him from the pack and affording him the ability to begin his run for President less then two years after he got to the senate."

And I believe it's more who the man is, and not the color of his skin. There's also a positive in his inexperience, and not just due to where the Bush team's "experience" has brought us thus far. It's a different generation, not still hung up on the divisions reaching back to the 60s. I'm sick to death of the Rush Limbaughization of everything, and Hillary will just prolong that crap. McCain is just the same policies for a third term (endless war! borrow more money to slash taxes on billionaires!) and the polarization will continue as well. Obama at least holds out the hope that some of these intractable problems will actually be addressed, by both sides. Maybe I'm being Pollyanna-ish, but Guiliani had a better chance at reuniting than Clinton or McCain.

If nothing else, you've got to look at the situation with Bush and Social Security---the tsunami clearly coming toward us, true surplus budgets laid at the doorstep---and the fact his yearlong roadshow was forced to admit his "plans" wouldn't even address the problems as a colossal failure. We're going to have to deal with that, and deal with it soon, but at this point, if a Senator with an (R) after his name releases the exact same plan a Congressman with a (D) after his name was about to release, it doesn't matter: all Rs will immediately be for it, and all Ds will immediately be against it. That sucks. For the good of the country, we need to turn a page.

I'm sure House Republicans are all aflutter about that last sentence.

if a Senator with an (R) after his name releases the exact same plan a Congressman with a (D) after his name was about to release, it doesn't matter: all Rs will immediately be for it, and all Ds will immediately be against it.

You nailed that and it works both ways of course. Great point.

Frankly, I believe that "ageism" will play a much bigger role then "racism" in this election -- and in a nation which worships at the altar of youth -- I can't see an old man like McCain beating the young, good looking Obama.

~Bowa

As tired as people are of this war they are more afraid of the economic realities that they face on a day to day basis.

Most people have rightly equated the economies woes as being related to the multi trillion dollar failure in Iraq as well as the corporate malfeasance allowed to grow so large under BushCo's reign of errors.

McCain takes the stage and talks about 10,000 years in Iraq and making Bush's tax cuts permanent and giving even more tax cuts (ie. corporate welfare) to the folks already making record profits.

People are begining to figure out that the longer folks spend in DC the more likely they are to become co-opted by the process, corporately corrupted and out of touch with main street.

Nobody had more experience than Cheney and Rumsfeld in 2000 and look how that's turned out.

The Iraq war which was supposed to "pay for itself" which Cheney "couldn't see lasting six months" is turning into a permanent occupation that is bankrupting America both economically and morally.

Instead of being "greeted as liberators" America is being seen as the most destructive and destabilising force on the planet that is actually encouraging terrorism and empowering jihadist whackjobs under the guise of confronting them.

Under Bush, America has exported far more terror than America imported on 9/11.

Much, much more.

Mitt Romney might have made a close race against Obama because he was percieved, rightly or wrongly, as being this economic wunderkind but the religious fundie base wouldn't have him, so you ended up with McInsane, who the nation rightly sees as being an extension of the wrong headed and immoral policies of Cheney and his pet Chimp.

Age does enter into it but it's not the biggest factor.

Beyond that, yer assessment that Obama will be the next POTUS is spot on.

Welcome to the monkey house.

Be Well.

If I didn't know better, I would believe that Spud was an American leftist instead of a Canadian one.

I think it was a bit of an exageration on 10,000 years in Iraq, there Buddy. But the rest of your assessment isn't much better. Sounds like a rerun.

The leftists are all about entitlements. We already spend from our national budget amost 50% on entitlement programs. Do we really need more?

Birds of a feather flock together. Mr. Obama consorts with racists

Yer the biggest racist on this site, Tiny Johnson.

Rezko is the worst dirt you can find on Obama?

Ha! Good luck with THAT!

Be Well.

/really gone now.

"The leftists are all about entitlements. We already spend from our national budget amost 50% on entitlement programs. Do we really need more?"

You really need to take an Economics course. At this point, the "entitlements" are a cash cow, as more money is taken in than spent, and the overcollections used to mask the annual deficit.

If you really want to take aim at entitlements and wasteful government spending, look at the prescription drug bill which prohibits for 40 million what 40 can get: a volume discount.

The garbled link to the Obama/Rezko courthouse drama.

"Birds of a feather flock together"

Wait till the Keating Five re-emerge.

"McCain was exonerated."

But Obama is guilty even before a charge, right?

"The Keating Five are a fart over a cesspool."

Yeah...a $3,400,000,000.00 fart. And you're dead-on about the cesspool.

"there are plenty of chraismatic and intelligent people who are in the shadows plodding along who are building up the experience"

Name 3

I love this! You people are so worked up about nothing! or is it nothing? Lets look at the real facts.
His name is Barack Hussein Obama.

Never has it been taboo to use a president's, or presidential candidate's middle name. What concerns me is why he would try to hide it. WHO CARES, unless he does have something to hide.

It has been well reported, (mostly in response to a bogus email circulating) that Obama's father and step-father were muslim. Because his mother is white, this means that he is half-something white, and half arab. Nothing african-american about him, except for his lovely wife, so then how can he claim to be?

WHY IS THE NAME OF GOD DOES HE HIDE THIS! It makes him look guilty of something. If he really wanted to ease everyone's mind, shouldn't he just lay it all out on the table, and say, "Yes, I have Arab ansestry, I grew up all over the world, including muslim countries like indonesia, but I am a Christian and I do not support, or condone the actions of Islomic terrorists. I never went to a muslim school, but was taught in Catholic schools.

Hello? If he said this it would show he was not trying to hide anything! Some people would still not vote for him because of prejudice, and other people would not care. But trying to cover, or lesson this makes him seem as if he is trying to hide it. If he laid out all the facts about his past, then republicans would have nothing to attack him with. It would all be out. It wouldn't change anything, except that those who think he is hiding something, would be less likely to think this. It might even get him MORE votes because of his honesty, but let's face it. That won't happen.

As it is, the material I got from his campaign say, he was born in Hawaii and raised by his mother and dear old grandmother, with no mention of his father or step-father. There would be no issue if he would come forth with all the facts instead of trying to keep it hushed.

"Posted by irishleo13"

Great. Yet another "new" rightwing troll.

"Great. Yet another "new" rightwing troll." - solifidian...

Who says, he could be a Clintonista....

Nothing african-american about him, except for his lovely wife, so then how can he claim to be?


His father was from Kenya, but I suspect you already knew this. Why do you hide behind a different screen-name to present us with this new misinformation? What a fuckwit troll.

rightwing nothing. How can you possibly think he should not just lay it all out, this is the man who very possibly could lead our entire country. Should he not allow his basic history to be seen freely? Noone EVER running for office has been this secretive about their family history.

there was even a documentary on Bill and Hillary when they were up for election, that explained their marraige of convienece, and their family, their education. The same documentary then discussed Bush Jr, and talked about his failed attempt at the oil business, his college parties, etc. PLEASE! If you want to be in the political spotlight, be prepared to open up your past. What Obama is doing is wrong.

And I am NOT claiming that he is a terrorist, or even that he cares about muslims. My point is that when you try to dismiss something, brush over it, or cover it up, then you look GUILTY. He is likely not guilty of anything at all! I don't mean to imply that he is, but on the other hand, His actions in the bible belt, and in his advertising that completely side-step the issue will make more people suspicious, than if he just came out and said what's up!

That was my point entirely.

Damn, make a comment that could actually help the campaign if it was taken seriously, and get chewed out.

Thanks for the warm welcome.

Good ridence!

BTW I don't know who the hell you think I am, but I am not. That was my first comment, and this is my last.

Maybe I'll go chat with the evangelicals' at least they don't attack when I first come in! They let me get my foot in the door first! >| Get a life folks. Not a way to make friends!

Not a way to make friends!

Boo-fucking-hoo-whaaaaa!

Under your next screen-name maybe you'll do a little research before you post bullshit, unless it was bullshit on purpose.

"And I am NOT claiming that he is a terrorist, or even that he cares about muslims." - Irish...

Obama kool-aid drinkers like Solifidian think thats what you mean...

IrishLeo, This place was designed for intense debate. If you can't handle having your ideas challenged or want an echo chamber try the underground. DR wasn't designed for games.

"Great. Yet another "new" rightwing troll." - solifidian...

Who says, he could be a Clintonista...."

posted by falafel girl



Not much difference these days.

"That was my first comment, and this is my last. "

I hope so.

"Not much difference these days." - Soli...

Oh there is a difference, its lost on Solifidians...

Oh there is a difference, its lost on Solifidians...

Posted by AndreaMackris


True, there is a difference.

One [the Clintonista] advocates a course of action, the nomination of Hillary Clinton, which will result in a 3rd term for George Bush.

The other [rightwing troll], on the other hand, advocates a 3rd term for George Bush in the person of John "100 Year War" McBush.

NULLIFIDIAN

Someone called McCain "McSame" today. Apropro.

Change is overrated!