this would be great.

This guy just cannot make up his fucking mind about ANYTHING!

No wonder dumbfuck Republicans like him.

Yeah, you.....

peace, manypaths.

please do not misinterpret - i know that mitt is a mormon - not an evangelical.
he simply is another (yet different) religious character that i am pigeonholing for the sake of a good time.

Wasn't Mitt the one who had the NYT drop the blonde lobbyist bombshell on McCain?

Here's the play as I see it going down --

First, Mitt Romeny "suspended" his campaign and in his farewell speech said he was going to step out of the campaign as it was best thing to do "for my country."

Next Mitt quietly helps get the McCain bombshell exploded in the NYT. (More will come out on that one as it appears more and more McCain lied to the press when he denied it.) If things now go according to plan as more facts surface, McCain becomes too weak and wounded to remain the nominee.

MITT IN HIS MAGIC MORMAN UNDERPANTS TO THE RESCUE!

Mitt will now come back in (after saving millions of his own money will sitting it out for awhile) and says he'll come back into the race since McCain can't continue and (((((drumroll))) "I'll do it for my country!"

Watch and see.

will = while

Mitt Un-Quit? No shit?

Source? One of Mitt's "patriotic" sons?

Quote? "Josh said it was "possible."

Okaaaay. Here's the thing, this guys religious beliefs came out of a hat like a magician's bunny.

Read offa gold plates written by God that nobody else ever saw but Joe Smith.

Ergo... With this guy anything's possible.

Really hope that hairdo and smarmy grin don't reappear on the national scene. The guy is like a used car salesman only oilier.

Do Not Want.

Be Well.

One of Mitt's "patriotic" sons?

A Farang questioning the patriotism of Americans. Quaint.

I hope he does get back in. He was always my fallback horse if Huck didn't do so well. Now Huck won't quit. What about the whole endorsement of McSocialist?

Cheers,
Walt

"A Farang ..."

Pleg chai maag thidiaw krap Khun phuud pasaa thai dai

Pleg chai maag thidiaw krap Khun phuud pasaa thai dai

I could try to pretend that I understand all that or I can reach farther into my bag and just say Maow heet. No mushrooms. O wait, nit noy.

Cheers

"nit noy"

Mai pen rai krap. I was lucky to have a year at the Defense Language Institute to study Thai for the Army and my country. The services are a wonderful place to learn and gain adventure.

The services are a wonderful place to learn and gain adventure.

I disagree. THAILAND is a wonderful place to learn and gain adventure! I have been to BKK a few times, Phuket several, Penang, Krabi, and Koh Samui. Ko Sam is the best.

Speaking of Thailand, my IE MSN homepage automatically defaults to Thai.

MITT TO UN-QUIT?

or

MITT TO UN: QUIT!

Walt gets confusing, "I disagree. THAILAND is a wonderful place to learn and gain adventure! I have been to BKK a few times, Phuket several, Penang, Krabi, and Koh Samui. Ko Sam is the best."

Thailand (and SEA) are great for learning and adventure but not the military services?

Tad,

Come now my man, you know me better than that. Was being sarcastic. I loved both (Thailand and service). Just wanted to give props to how much I enjoy Thailand.

That being said, you hand me a pair of combat boots and point me towards Iraq or you hand me some sandals and a ticket to BKK, I aint gonna be in Baghdad buddy.

Walt says, "Come now my man, you know me better than that. Was being sarcastic. I loved both (Thailand and service). Just wanted to give props to how much I enjoy Thailand."

Well, I thought you probably meant to write "I don't disagree," but it came out, "I disagree." I didn't want to second guess your feelings for the services, though ...

"That being said, you hand me a pair of combat boots and point me towards Iraq or you hand me some sandals and a ticket to BKK, I aint gonna be in Baghdad buddy."

I would go in a flash! I want to see the ruins of Babylon. I think Iraq could be one of the most sought after vacations in this world, if they rebuild Babylon ...

Typical Liberal Massachusetts flip-flopper like Kerry. "I unsuspended my campaign after I suspended it."

And this is the guy conservatives would prefer instead of Juan McCain?

Insane.

A Farang questioning the patriotism of Americans. Quaint.

Five sons, and not a single one wanted to sign up for wars their dad describes as a battle for the survival of our civilization.

I don't question their patriotism -- you don't see me signing up either -- but I do think it demonstrates that the GOP knows the wars are mostly bullshit.

but I do think it demonstrates that the GOP knows the wars are mostly bullshit.

Wars? as in plural? As in Afghanistan?

Bullshit?

Five sons, and not a single one wanted to sign up for wars their dad describes as a battle for the survival of our civilization

The problem with an all volunteer military is that you aren't likely to get a lot of people who have substantially better options to voluntarily give up a much easier life and sign up for a more difficult one at much less pay.

We should adopt a system like Israel.

I would go in a flash! I want to see the ruins of Babylon. I think Iraq could be one of the most sought after vacations in this world, if they rebuild Babylon ...

Been there, not much to see. Shrine of Imam Ali is great looking, sort of. Found an old tourist map of Iraq in a hotel we secured, had all the points of interest. But if you chose Iraq over Thailand, you are crazier than me man!

For once I agree with Rob, we should never go to war without a draft which puts the children of the rich and powerful at risk so that unnecessary wars such as the present on in Iraq would never be fought. If that scum bag Cheney had served in Vietnam I bet he would have learned a thing or two about the horrors of war and not drug America into the disaster we are now in.

If that scum bag Cheney had served in Vietnam I bet he would have learned a thing or two about the horrors of war and not drug America into the disaster we are now in.

Posted by danni


John McCain saw all the horrors of war up close and personal... more so then just about anyone in our government. He supports it.

I do not agree with Rob, what we do need to do is make it far more difficult for any president to send our troops into harms way.

I would rather see the war not come to congress but and actual vote to the entire nation. Let the people decide on their own.

Five sons, and not a single one wanted to sign up for wars their dad describes as a battle for the survival of our civilization.

Why did you swoop in with that on this thread? Could it be that Rcade is anti-Mormon?

The problem with an all volunteer military is that you aren't likely to get a lot of people who have substantially better options to voluntarily give up a much easier life and sign up for a more difficult one at much less pay.

What a load of garbage!!! I was an FAA Commercial Pilot with an Instrument rating BEFORE I signed up to become an E3. After I became an officer I had a SPC that had a Doctorate for Gods sake.

For once I agree with Rob, we should never go to war without a draft which puts the children of the rich and powerful at risk

And btw, the children of the rich and powerful end up missing the war most of the time draft or not anyways...

See Al Gore and George W. Bush.

Spent two years in Thailand, so the pyramids, baalbek or angkor wat would be more interesting.

Don't get me wrong -- Thailand is a wonderful place and I wouldn't mind living there, or even a visit, but for adventure ... well, been there and done that one ...

What a load of garbage!!! I was an FAA Commercial Pilot with an Instrument rating BEFORE I signed up to become an E3. After I became an officer I had a SPC that had a Doctorate for Gods sake.

Posted by Walt


And this is the standard for rich kids, or just kids in general coming out of college with lots and lots of well paying career choices.

Which is why this all volunteer military has 54,932,937 recruits every year.

I would rather see the war not come to congress but and actual vote to the entire nation. Let the people decide on their own.

Posted by moneywar


Maybe you're familiar with the Constitution?

I would rather see the war not come to congress but and actual vote to the entire nation. Let the people decide on their own.

Should we go ahead and do away with the entire Constitution while we are at that? We could become Australia and put people in jail for not voting.

So maybe we need to make an amendment so war doesn't become something political but actually something that is defending our nation.

So maybe we need to make an amendment so war doesn't become something political but actually something that is defending our nation.

Posted by moneywar


Big guy, when our forces took Baghdad President Bush's approval rating was in the high 60s.

A large majority of Americans backed this war.

So maybe we need to make an amendment so war doesn't become something political but actually something that is defending our nation.


Fine, I vote we kick out all illegal immigrants and build a wall.

Why do we need yet another amendment that will be ignored? We already have a constitution and it say congress declares wars. The congress should not give away their authorization to start wars and then claim that "the president screwed us, we didn't actually vote for war."

Let's follow the constitution we already have.

It's getting dusty with many decades of disuse.

It is quite funny though hearing Rob and Walt talking about the constitution when they continue to promote the reduction of our civil rights.

The hypocrisy has no bounds, just rolling around the room trolling without validity.

Nice!

Tad, you want adventure, join the Air Force or visit NaNa Plaza. Stay away from the ruins of Babel for now.

Cheers,
Walt

It is quite funny though hearing Rob and Walt talking about the constitution when they continue to promote the reduction of our civil rights.

You whine about us supposedly reducing your rights while at the same time shredding the primary document and talk about hypocrisy?
Wake up!

A large majority of Americans backed this war.


A large majority of Americans do not back this occupation.


'Course if we left, how would Walt put food on his family?

It is quite funny though hearing Rob and Walt talking about the constitution when they continue to promote the reduction of our civil rights.

You literally just now proposed getting rid of one of the main parts of the constitution... How are you in any position to label someone else a hypocrite?

Also where am I arguing for the reduction of civil rights? For that matter where is Walt doing it?

A large majority of Americans do not back this occupation.

Seperate issue... MW is saying the people should vote for war... if that were the case, we'd still be in Iraq today.

'Course if we left, how would Walt put food on his family?

Posted by TedBaxter

Begs the question, why are you putting food on your family? Also, just an FYI soldiers get paid in times of peace and war.

'Course if we left, how would Walt put food on his family?

The only food I put on anybody is myself after spitting it out laughing while reading that silly comment.

You want to talk about me, start a thread, otherwise contribute to the conversation or please, respectfully, shut the fuck up.

"A large majority of Americans backed this war."

The people backed the war because their leaders told them lies about WMDs. People were buying duct tape and plastic to protect themselves from threats that didn't exist. You could have convinced them at the time that Martians were coming. The blame still falls squarely on the neocon scum who planned this war long before 9-11 and for reasons that had absolutely nothing with WMDs or terrorism.
It is a war/occupation for oil profits and no dishonest excuses will ever change that fact.
4000 American soldiers have died so that oil companies can make billions of dollars.

Seriously Ted, if you want to discuss me, personally, start a new thread.

The blame still falls squarely on the neocon scum who planned this war long before 9-11 and for reasons that had absolutely nothing with WMDs or terrorism.

Next.

Que BBob...

Lighten up, Walt.

Don't take you all that seriously.

Rob I clearly misunderstood that post you made. My bad.

Rob I clearly misunderstood that post you made. My bad.

Posted by Walt


If I got mad at people for misunderstanding my posts I'd have to change my name to Furious_Rob...

no worries.

The people backed the war because their leaders told them lies about WMDs.

The people backed this war because we had been viewing Saddam Hussein and Iraq as a mortal enemy (regardless of how weak they actually were) since 1990. They could have sold this war on any number of issues, but since WMD had been heard by every American since Dessert Shield, it was the easiest way to sell it.

Next??? Oh, you mean Iran. Hey, if one stupid war is good then two would be great....right???
A trillion here a trillion there
a few thousand more casualties but hey that oil is so tempting.

"but since WMD had been heard by every American since Dessert Shield, it was the easiest way to sell it."

Yes, exactly like I said, they told lies about WMDs and convinced Americans that Saddam had the capability of creating a "mushroom cloud" over an American city.

If I got mad at people for misunderstanding my posts I'd have to change my name to Furious_Rob...

(((self deleted comment)))

Mine would be "Damn, I just ((self deleted comment))

Cheers,
Walt

(((self deleted comment)))
(((self deleted comment)))

Time to go.

Cheers all,

Walt

Rob

A few other reasons the war was sold.

From another thread.



"I believe demolishing Hussein's military power and liberating Iraq would be a cakewalk" - Defense Policy Board Memeber Ken Adelman - 2/13/02

"Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction." - Vice President Dick Cheney, 8/26/02

"We do know that (Saddam) is acitively pursuing a nuclear weapon." - National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice, 9/10/02

"It is not knowable how long that conflict would last. I could last, you know, six days, six weeks. I doubt six months." - Secretary of State Donald Rumsfeld - 2/7/03

"My belief is we will, in fact, be greeted as liberators" - Cheney, 3/16/03

"We're dealing with a country that can really finance its own reconstruction, and relatively soon." - Deputy Secretary of Defense, Paul Wolfowitz, 3/27/03

"We know where (the weapons) are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, north and south somewhat." - Rumsfeld, 3/30/03

"Iraq will not require sustained aid." - OMB Director Mitch Daniels, 3/28/03

"A year from now I'd be surprised if there's not some grand square in Baghdad that is named after President Bush." - Fomer Pentagon advisor Richard Perle, 9/22/03

Posted by Silence at 2008-02-26 08:37 AM

Fucking Italics

Al Gore served in Vietnam, Rob.

Wars? as in plural? As in Afghanistan? Bullshit?

At this point, what are we accomplishing in Afghanistan? Are we making real inroads against the Taliban and tracking Bin Laden, or are we just spinning our wheels?

Al Gore served in Vietnam, Rob.

As a photographer... was it more likely that John Q. Whoshisfuck would get such a position or the son of a senator?

At this point, what are we accomplishing in Afghanistan?

Making sure the Taliban don't come back and use the entire country as a training ground for terrorist attacks again. Continually hunting Al Qaeda leadership that still remains.

Rogers says, "At this point, what are we accomplishing in Afghanistan? Are we making real inroads against the Taliban and tracking Bin Laden, or are we just spinning our wheels?"

We are assisting a fledgling democracy to establish a chance for the citizens of the country to stabilize their economy and rebuild their infrastructure after decades of warfare and destruction; none of which was addressed corrupt and tyrannical Taliban.

What is your solution to the problem you claim it to be -- withdraw and allow human sacrifice to rule the nation and influence Iraq to fail, also?

If your party then gains the power that comes from the barrel of our 'gun', will you use it in Darfur, Kosovo, or somewhere else a threat of genocide or civil war prevails? Then, you could abandon Afghanistan's and Iraq's millions in order to give democracy and stability to other millions, you pick and choose as a party.

The bitter irony is that I would still support our nation (not puling, backstabbing Democratics) patriotically there, as I will support it anywhere ... but you go ahead and use your freedom and liberty to pick and choose ... that's your right as an American.

I've never attacked Kerry for his service, nor any other combat vet... but people who want to make it sound like Gore was Rambo for enlisting... the guy took pictures.

I don't know how credible the rumors are but people say he had a bodyguard(s) while there...

Sorry I don't buy that the son of a senator didn't get special treatment.

Sorry I don't buy that the son of a senator didn't get special treatment.



Indeed

See: Texas Air National Guard

See: Texas Air National Guard



Posted by Zap


See my first post on this subject...

And btw, the children of the rich and powerful end up missing the war most of the time draft or not anyways...

See Al Gore and George W. Bush.

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2008-02-26 08:43 AM

Death spud you are an idiot. More than 12 saw and held them. Isn't it telling that whenever politics brings up Romney his religion is all that fills the comment box. He was the best candidate for the party and religion pushed him out. Man bless America

He was the best candidate for the party

I love that Mitt Romney, former governor of Massechusetts was the best for the party... the true conservative.

Because if you're going to get the people of Massachusetts to vote for you, you've got to be as conservative as possible.

This Romney nonsense has gone on long enough... time for everyone to back McCain.

"Do Not Want.

Be Well."

Don't worry. He isn't running in Canada.

I've never attacked Kerry for his service, nor any other combat vet... but people who want to make it sound like Gore was Rambo for enlisting... the guy took pictures.

All I said was "Gore served in Vietnam", which corrects your prior statement that he ended up "missing the war" like George W. Bush.

which corrects your prior statement that he ended up "missing the war" like George W. Bush.

Posted by rcade


there are about 60,000 or so vietnam vets who would probably have rather been a photgrapher with bodyguards serving only 5 months, then dead...

I'm just guessing on that though.

time for everyone to back McCain.

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2008-02-26 11:06 AM


Even though he has a black love child? Even though he spilled his guts to the North Vietnamese while a prisoner? Even though his years of capture addled his brain? Even though he is too old?

I don't know that much about McCain--just what I've heard from the republicans he ran against in 2000. He sure doesn't seem like Presidential material according to them--no wonder they are against his nominaton

All I said was "Gore served in Vietnam", which corrects your prior statement that he ended up "missing the war" like George W. Bush.



Great now we'll all be treated to a diatribe on how being a photographer in vietnam is exactly the same as "Missing the war".

This guy just cannot make up his fucking mind about ANYTHING!

No wonder dumbfuck Republicans like him.
By Manypaths


This is the most backwards comment I've seen made on this board. If there's one thing I think everyone can agree on it's that Bush makes his mind up and goes forward and doesn't waver.

Waffling is a huge democrat/liberal trait. Bill Clinton couldn't take a piss unless the polls told him it was okay. Kerry flip-flopped so much liberal cartoonists made note of the fact.

No, republicans usually don't flip-flop, if they do they don't last long because we hate that in a representative.

You sound like a fresh out of highschool college kid who now thinks they know everything about government and politics. Whether that's the case or not, you just showed you don't know shit about republicans.

there are about 60,000 or so vietnam vets who would probably have rather been a photgrapher with bodyguards serving only 5 months, then dead...

I'm just guessing on that though.

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2008-02-26 11:20 AM


I don't know who you are talking about, but I would bet that about 60,000 of them would rather have had daddy get them a cushy job flying planes in the states and getting drunk and high on cocaine and funding his girlfriends abortion.

Bushs cowardice makes Gore look like Audie Murphy.

but I would bet that about 60,000 of them would rather have had daddy get them a cushy job flying planes

Bush had a better chance of crashing his jet then gore had of getting killed in action.

Rob says, "... but people who want to make it sound like Gore was Rambo for enlisting... the guy took pictures."

I haven't seen that, only that he did serve. Besides, it was so rare to see any Democratic scion in 'Nam that when they appeared ... well, it was kind of special, you know? Bravo for them, at least.

"I don't know how credible the rumors are but people say he had a bodyguard(s) while there..."

Military reporters and photographers were usually escorted while in a combat area. Since they stood out, they often needed protection as they became targets for practice, or mobbed by Vietnamese eager to be in a newspaper or on tv. In "Full Metal Jacket" the hero is escorted reporter and his photographer buddy are escorted by an entire Marine fireteam.

"Sorry I don't buy that the son of a senator didn't get special treatment."

So what? At least he served and went like a patriotic American ... I didn't see him whining and marching in the street with the subversive mob, yearning for a communist victory in their parsimonious and poltroonish (s)urge to retreat. He was far more decent and honorable than Kerry, that's for sure!

Besides, it was so rare to see any Democratic scion in 'Nam that when they appeared ... well, it was kind of special, you know? Bravo for them, at least.


Let's see your list of republicans scions that went to Nam. Oh yeah they were home waving the flag and getting high on cocaine, or they had "other committments"--like fucking over America.

Facts about Gores service.

The article says that those who served with Gore reported that he was only to cover military operations where the service was good. It then says they report he probably didn't know about the special treatment, but the fact remains, because of who his father was he was protected and therefore was never in any real danger.

Flying planes in Texas, or always protected and never near combat in vietnam... what's the difference. They were both protected because their fathers were/are important. As I originally said to Danni, draft or not, the kids of the rich and/or important usually still end up avoiding the war.

Let's see your list of republicans scions that went to Nam

If going to Vietnam is so important does that mean you are voting for McCain, since neither DNC candidate has been to war?

If going to Vietnam is so important does that mean you are voting for McCain, since neither DNC candidate has been to war?

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2008-02-26 11:56 AM


I didn't say it was important at all
Ahole.

I said:

"Let's see your list of republicans scions that went to Nam"

Since Tadowes post seemed to indicate that large numbers of republican scions went and it was rare to see a dem scion.

Ahole

"The article says that those who served with Gore reported that he was only to cover military operations where the service was good."


You read the EXAMPLE!!!! Gores father did not influence anything. Let's see your link.

LOL

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
AHAHA

dummy

BB blubbers, "Let's see your list of republicans scions that went to Nam. Oh yeah they were home waving the flag and getting high on cocaine, or they had "other committments"--like fucking over America."

Republicans went to Vietnam, too. Those that went, more power to them as partiotic Americans. Those that joined but didn't go to war -- they're patriotic Americans, too.

Only in the eyes of petty political pissants is their service denigrated; except when they dishonor themselves by their subsequent conduct, and then it doesn't affect the service they did provide but just tarnishes it.

Small minds quibble over being a medic, an engineer, a radar tech. or an infrantryman. Indeed, the whole issue is BOGUS because millions did NOT go to 'Nam, or even serve in the military and although there was a draft. None of them are cowards, draft dodgers or other vilifications meant to destroy reputations via rhetoric and not facts.

You read the EXAMPLE!!!! Gores father did not influence anything. Let's see your link

No I didn't...

That site turns off copying and pasting so I can't grab it, but if you read after the example, in the origins section you'll see where it details out what those who served with him said, and why he was given preferential treatment and never put in harms way.

Its always embarassing when a poster brings out the big laugh post, and it completely wrong... slink away Boob...

From your link, not the example (had to retype it since the site won't let you copy, so excuse the typeos):

Obviously, this was a non-combat position, and some of those who served with Gore reported that their superiors requested Gore "should cover only military operations where security was good." However they also reported that Gore had not asked for any such arrangement nor was he awware of it.

It then goes on to quote what some guy named Turque wrote about how the military didn't want to put a VIPs kid in danger...

Ahole

You need to do the slinking. Nothing in there about his father helping at all.

However, if what you say is true, and you aren't just a punk liar, surely you have a link that shows how Als father helped him in Nam.

I guess you aren't man enough to apologize for saying his tour was cut short because of special treatment. The fact that his enlistment was up before the 12 month tour seems to have no bearing on the case as far as you are concerned.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Let's see your link.

;-)

"If going to Vietnam is so important does that mean you are voting for McCain, since neither DNC candidate has been to war?"

If either of the Dems start acting like Cheney by signing a document like PNAC then yes, prior military service will be an issue for me, however if they profess to oppose unnecessary wars as Obama did then I don't think military service is a necessary prerequisite. I only think those who advocate for war should at least have the experience of being in a war. John McCain would have had much more credibility in the lead up to the Iraq war than did Bush/Cheney and in all honesty, at that time, though he would probably deny it now, I do not believe McCain would have invaded Iraq, he would have read Daddy Bush's book and recognized the stupidity of that. I think he realizes we are there now and is afraid for us to leave but that doesn't prove he would have done the same thing in the first place.

That site turns off copying and pasting so I can't grab it,


You might try printing it, if a new field pops up chances are you will be able to copy off the new field..

I have the same problem with ABC news pieces

However, if what you say is true, and you aren't just a punk liar, surely you have a link that shows how Als father helped him in Nam.


I just posted a word for word copy of what was on your link detailing how is father did help him.

If you can't even read your own links then why are we even discussing this?

reported that their superiors requested Gore "should cover only military operations where security was good."


Rob This is your evidence that his Father helped him?


How about I have a VIP under my command and I'll be damned if anything happens to him.

Oh No, that would never happen.......

How about I have a VIP under my command and I'll be damned if anything happens to him.

Oh No, that would never happen.......



Posted by Zap


All I said to Danni above was that children of the rich and powerful don't usually see the war, draft or not...

How is any of what you are saying proving me wrong?

How about I have a VIP under my command

Why was he a VIP? Because of his accomplishments or his fathers?

However, if what you say is true, and you aren't just a punk liar, surely you have a link that shows how Als father helped him in Nam.


I just posted a word for word copy of what was on your link detailing how is father did help him.



That is factually WRONG!

That is factually WRONG!



Posted by Zap

Did he receive special treatment because his father was a United States Senator?

Yes or No?

Your wrong Rob, show some semblance of being a man.

yes or no Zap

Ahole

You need to read your "word for word" posting about how his father helped Gore, and see if you can find any reference to his father in there. You can't even read what you type.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Its a yes or no question to Bob and Zap.

Did he receive special treatment because his father was a United States Senator?

Rob you can't apologies even when you admit your at fault.

You get caught here a very small point but your wrong and yet you can't admit it.

WTF is the matter with you?

Zap, its a yes or no question...

Rob you can't apologies even when you admit your at fault.

That's horseshit, i've apologized many times here.

WTF is the matter with you?

Its a yes or no question... wtf is wrong with you?

Zap, if you answer the question I've asked numerous times now honestly you will see what I was saying all along.

If you can't be honest, or you're scared to answer thats fine. But its a simple yes or no question.

Did Al Gore receive special treatment because his father was a US Senator?

Again, I'll give you the answer, its either Yes or No.

Rob you can't apologies even when you admit your at fault.
That's horseshit, i've apologized many times here.


I must say that despite the mutual acrimony Rob was the first to apologize and that has proven to be sincere. As was mine.

He's a stubborn little shit though, you have to give him that.

As for Al Gore, there's no question that he enlisted in the Army because his father was taking a lot of flack for opposing the war in Vietnam. He wanted no special treatment, and the fact that a NG slot was held open for him gives you an idea of how others with influence avoided military service by joining the NG - a state militia for those who don't understand the difference.

Little known fact: His nickname was Private Joker.

Did he receive special treatment because his father was a United States Senator?

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2008-02-26 12:58 PM |


No. I see no evidence of his father influencing anything, or of Gore seeking preferential treatment. If his superiors had the attitude that he should be treated special, that was their decision--not Gores, and not Gores father. Also, the men who served with Gore said he did what they did. Nothing different.

Most of the military in Nam never went into the field. About 90% were back-up personnel. However, any one of them could have been killed at any time.

How about Max Cleland? How about telling us how Bush is really a hero and Max is really just a stupid guy that blew himself up in Nam. I love that rightie story--I'll bet they use that story to tell their kids at bedtime.

If his superiors had the attitude that he should be treated special, that was their decision

And why would they come to that decision? Because of al Gore's harvard degree and IQ or because his Father was a senator?

Al Gore was given preferential treatment because his father was an important/rich man. Thus proving my original statement to Danii:

And btw, the children of the rich and powerful end up missing the war most of the time draft or not anyways...

See Al Gore and George W. Bush.

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2008-02-26 08:43 AM

Ahole

You accused his father of helping him. His father did nothing to help him.

Bushs father took action to help him. Gores father took no action to help him.

You are a liar.

See if you are rat enough to slink away.

;-)

See if you are rat enough to slink away.

POSTED BY BUFFALO_BOB AT 2008-02-26 01:56 PM | REPLY | FLAG

Hm. Rob?

Hm. Rob?

Posted by YAV

Yes yav, I was chased away by Buffalo Bob... you got me... in the history of Drudge, i've never ran from a thread, but today you got me big guy...

Al Gore's father the United States senator most certainly did help his son in Vietnam. There can be no denying that.

Al Gore's father the United States senator most certainly did help his son in Vietnam. There can be no denying that.

Haven't seen any proof of that, Rob. You overstated your point. You've called people liars for less.

there are about 60,000 or so vietnam vets who would probably have rather been a photgrapher with bodyguards serving only 5 months, then dead...

I'm just guessing on that though.

The fact that Tadowe and I agree on this should tell you something, Rob. Why can't you admit it was wrong to say Gore missed the war?

Like Tadowe, I believe that Gore demonstrated patriotism by enlisting and serving in Vietnam. The fact that others served more heroically, and faced more danger, doesn't change that.

God, I want Mitt to get caught on his knees in front of another guy, slurpin' away.

Evidently the resulting outing in the media's the only thing that really stops crazy-ass, homophobic righties from inflicting misery on this country.

Gore was a friggin' staffer and given cush treatment, and it's my understanding, an armed guard by special influence of his segregationist, bigot father. I think he got an armed guard so he wouldn't hurt any of the bad guys. He and John Kerry were "war heores."

Why is having gone to war such a political plus? I went to Korea and have tried to hide it from people ever since - at least until a guy with a bogus military handle made an issue of it here. I'd always prefer a candidate who knows how NOT to fight. Crossing an ocean in uniform when you don't know better is no big deal. herm

Why can't you admit it was wrong to say Gore missed the war?


Probably because he served in a NON-COMBAT role, for 5 months and was given special protection because of who his father was...

Other then that, he totally kicked ass...

The real question is, "Who would Louis Farrakhan endorse?" Maybe the "light of the world?" "Mr. experienced?"

As far as I'm concerned, either the fix was in, or Romney fagged out. He disappointed me.

But remember: the real key is, WWFD!

I thought the terrorist win if he gets back in. That is what Mr. Magic Underwear said. Now he wants the terrorist to win. WTF

I would pick Mitt over McCain!