Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs
Wednesday, February 20, 2008

ABC News has learned that a group of Democratic politicos have set up a new independent 527 organization called the American Leadership Project (ALP) with the express purpose of helping Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, beat Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, in Ohio, and possibly Texas and Pennsylvania as well. Free from campaign finance rules, ALP will not be legally permitted to coordinate with the Clinton campaign, but it is clearly intended to help her. The group is targeting through TV ads, mail, and phone communications white women under 50 in the Ohio area -- specifically Cleveland, Columbus, Youngstown, Charleston (WV), Wheeling- Steubenville, Zanesville, and Parkersburg (WV).

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Well here comes Hillary's last ditch attempt to overthrow the expressed will of the American voters. Hoping to drive Obama's negatives higher, she is mapping out the strategy for John McCain and the Republicans to use if it proves successful.

I only hope the Democratic Party takes the Clintons and their supporters to task for trying to stop a once-in-a-lifetime movement that started from the ground-up and has energized the electorate from Atlantic to Pacific Oceans and many of the states inbetween.

Its truly sad to see the Clinton legacy end in such ignominious fashion. Scorched earth is never good politics, particularly when you're caught on the wrong side of a change tidal wave.

Looking over the race, how much of Obama's criticism of Clinton have been o f the nature that would harm her and the party's chances in the general election? I seriously cannot think of any. While everything--EVERYTHING--coming out from the Clinton camp is stuff that can be picked up and used by the Republicans in one way or another or is designed to damage him as a candidate going forward as much if not more than it impacts him now ...

He seems to have stuck more or less to contrasting the two of them before Democrats while she goes on stage last night and claims he's not ready to be President.

They will destroy the Democratic party rather than give up this nomination. And don't tell me I am a Clinton hater for pointing out what is now obvious to everyone. The only thing the Clinton campaign can do at this point is go negative, and they are going to go full-bore negative.


www.balloon-juice.com

The Clintons swiftboating a fellow dem...the politics of personal destruction is still their favorite method.


And this is different than the 527 that supported Obama in CA, how?

Looking over the race, how much of Obama's criticism of Clinton have been of the nature that would harm her and the party's chances in the general election? I seriously cannot think of any.

This way Corky. Obama has never distorted Hillary's record nor made disingenuous claims like when he was trying to thwart the Republicans by voting "present" that this was somehow being unwilling to take a stance. Voting "present" is the same as voting "no" since bills need affirmative votes to pass. Often he was showing leadership by voting present, not cowardice as Hillary keeps trying to imply.

If the Clintons wanted to alienate as many Democrats as possible they couldn't have found a better way to do it than starting this 527 attack dog. I think that any attack which could harm the party's chances in November, by either candidate, should cause all Democrats to turn on that candidate. Hilary Clinton seems to be getting pretty close to that point IMHO, I am sorry to say.

TONY

I don't think you're in any position to talk about somebody else's smear tactics.

You're the one who posted the following hyperbolic load of fertilizer: (which Rogers saw fit to delete BTW)

"Hillary has built her patina of "strength" upon the graves and limbs of those she should have been standing up for by not imposing war upon them for the sake of her own political career.

Her warmongering will be the root cause of her defeat, mark my words. You don't champion children by making it easier for bloodthirsty men to kill them."


What a load of crap!




DANNI

Hilary Clinton seems to be getting pretty close to that point IMHO, I am sorry to say.

Me too, Danni.

But it's the avenue of last resort for a campaign that feels it has nothing to lose.

Danni...

I can tell by the recent tone of your posts that you've resigned yourself to the probability of Obama securing the nomination even though you've preferred Hillary. Unfortunately, it doesn't appear that the Clinton campaign feels the same way.

Its sad watching them throw away decades of goodwill in a futile attempt to change the tide of history. I've always said (as you know) that Hillary should have embraced the wave of energy and tried to position herself as its best steward and not to try and squelch the wave's momentum. The worst part is watching her give McCain talking points and a petri dish paid for by Democrats to try and see what might stop Obama.

The way she's run her campaign gives me pause that she's actually prepared to be POTUS no matter how much she says Ready on Day One. She wasn't ready for February 6, 2008, and thats the reason she's the odds on favorite to lose.

What a load of crap!

You're entitled to feel however you want Twinpac, but that doesn't make my assertions any less factual as to their results.

You conveniently leave out the other part of the argument that got me so heated: namely that her vote on the 2002 AUMF "really wasn't a vote for war". Bullshit!!! Everyone understood what that vote was about, and most Democrats have long since apologized for being so fatally wrong in following Bush.

Except Hillary, who cannot bring herself to apologize to all those negatively affected by her decision. THAT WAS MY POINT! She owes the widows, widowers, orphans, along with those dealing with loss of limbs and/or other casualties both physical and mental at least this much. If she is unable to offer a simple "I'm sorry" then what makes her fit to be our CIC in the first place?

She's talked incessantly about being an advocate for the children, then why not take responsibility for the thousands upon tens of thousands that no longer breath nor walk this earth? Sorry, I stand by my words until she manages to choke on hers and show a modicum of remorse and regret for her own complicity in all the killing thats occured due to people like her and the neo-cons that gave the fool George Bush a blank check book for invading Iraq.

Tony, I don't see why that comment was deleted as it is very true. Hillary voted with Bush's unjustified war in Iraq which has led to the deaths of thousands and the maming of even more. She has blood on her hands and she refuses to apologize for sending troops to die for an unjustified reason.

Here is the first commercial:

www.youtube.com

So the way this is different than Obama having 527's support him is, "Clinton bad, Obama good, ugh!".

What a joke.

-What a load of crap!

Yes, unreconstituted bullshit, particularly considering the following:


"It is not the critic who counts: not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again ... who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly."

-Theodore Roosevelt

Obama is the critic who pretends greatness while condemning those "friends" who were actually in the fight at the time.

With friends like these....

"It is not the critic who counts: not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again ... who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly."

-Theodore Roosevelt

I see. Hillary is the critic who pretends to be a viable candidate while condemning those who are actually winning more votes, growing momentum and inspiring people.

Using old quotes out of context is such an easy game to play. What's the matter Corked? Didn't get your daily talking points memo from your boss, Hillary?

Seeing as how Teddy Roosevelt was the candidate of change for his time, the idea that he'd support the former first lady is hilariously irresponsible. But its also Corky, so that explains that. lol.

Obama is the critic who pretends greatness while condemning those "friends" who were actually in the fight at the time.

In plain english, what the hell are you talking about? Do you even know yourself?


Reading comprehension is something you can brush up on at your local Jr College, TR.


Did someone fart, or was that merely Lil Kevie posting again?

Corky, bragging about your ability to smell farts will get you nowhere. Your attraction to them is self evident.

Attraction my behind. He is a fart. But only the nicest kind, natch.

I will not tolerate more of this bullshit from them:

This morning brings the news that the campaign of Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, has launched a new website where they are announcing how they are officially preparing to make the case that the rules of the Democratic nomination process should be changed.

Don't like the rules- change them. Isn't that precisely what has been wrong with the criminal Bush administration the past eight years?


The Clinton Strategy is clear. Remember the scene at the end of Platoon, when Captain Dale Dye, in the role of Captain Harris, orders in arty and bombing runs on his location when the base camp was over run:

Capt. Harris: Snakebite leader, Ripper Bravo Six, we're gonna need you soonest be advised I've got zips in the wire down here, over!
Phantom Pilot: Roger your last Bravo Six, Snakebite lead we can't run it any closer. We're hot to trot and packing snape and nape but we're bingo fuel. It's your call, Six actual, Over.
Capt. Harris: Snakebite leader, Bravo Six, for the record, it's my call. Dump everything you got left ON MY POS. I say again, I want all you're holding INSIDE the perimeter. It's a lovely war. Bravo Six Actual and Out.
Phantom Pilot: Roger your last Bravo Six. We copy it's your call. Get em in their holes down there. Hang tough, Bravo Six we are coming cocked for treetops. Whiskey to Echo ... Snakebite Two, this is lead. Last pass on zero niner. Watch my smoke to target, expend all remaining. Follow my trace ...

That is their plan. Blow up the party and hope they are the ones still standing when the smoke clears.

I just sent 25 more bucks to Obama.


www.balloon-juice.com

And Corky keeps wondering why so many look at the Clintons while seeing little more than the Bush Administration redux....

ALP official Roger Salazar e-mails:

The American Leadership Project is a committee of Americans who have come together to shine a backlight on issues that matter most to our nation's middle class and do it in a positive way. These are positive ads that serve to raise awareness about these issues at a critical time in our nation's history and in places where they are paying the most attention. Right now that's Ohio and Texas. Sen. Clinton is a champion of these issues. ALP supports her positions and we say so in the ads.


marcambinder.theatlantic.com

Yeah....And we've got some used flip-flops over here in the corner for sale, just in case you're interested....

ALP has developed three ads aimed at tarnishing Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, as a talker and not a doer -- the ads are called "If speeches could solve problems" -- and they will contrast Obama and Clinton on issues of importance to middle class voters, such as the economy, health care, and the mortgage crisis.

Alpo? Isn't that wot Hillary's base usually eats fer dinner?

This swiftboat attempt aint gonna work. Here's why...

When Barack first took to the campaign trail he was overly professorial, instead of being a stirring stump speaker he was more of a policy wonk who tried going over his policies in excruciating detail.

"where was the exciting speaker from the 2004 convention?" everyone started asking him.

Whaaa? sed Obama. So he sat down, did a rethink and then began with his stirring oratory that he has since, rightfully, become famous for.

Aha! sed Hill and various Hill Shills around the country. Look at that guy. He's an "empty suit" sure he's got style (which our candidate lacks) but where's the substance?

Sheesh. can't win with thse folks.

So now, if you were paying attention to his latest stump speech in Dallas (and Believe, Spud was paying attention) you will note the fact that he does a fifty-fifty split between detailing his policies and using stirring oratory and the crowds are responding well to it. He's addressed his earlier lack of proper consideration for the Latino voters in a good way and the people are roaring their approval.

Barack is not an "empty suit"

Barack is full of Good Ideas and Fresh Hope.

Hillary and McLame are fulla the same OLD shiat.

GObama.

Be Well.

Corky has been reading George Tenet's book or something that quoted him because he used that same quote to defend himself after he left the CIA.

What "arena" has Hillary been in that Obama hasn't?


The US Senate during the Iraq vote, obviously.

Remind me not to use well-known quotes with obvious implications around here.



But still, Obama 527 good! Clinton 527 baaaad!


The US Senate during the Iraq vote

The one big vote of her career that she totally screwed up. It sure would be convenient for her if that subject was off the table. Unfortunately, she made the easy choice not the right choice and she has to live with it.

-Corky is the shitstain

You are better when you just cut 'n paste other unknown bloggers.

Being the first to resort to ad hominem is always a sign of people whose eyebrows ride low and grow together, you know, kinda like a fuzzy caterpillar across their smallish foreheads.

More supporting evidence indicating I'm not the only one that feels Hillary owes this nation an apology for blindly following the lead of W the wonderdunce:

More than 1,000 feminists have signed a statement criticizing Hillary Clinton and supporting Obama for president - evidence that Clinton's support among women activists continues to decline. The group, "Feminists for Peace", started out with 100 signers before the super-Tuesday primaries, and has 1,200 signers two weeks later.

Clinton's support for the war in Iraq was the leading reason she lost the support of the feminists, along with the fact that "until quite recently [she] opposed all legislative efforts to bring the war and occupation to an end." The group added, "We urgently need a presidential candidate whose first priority is to address domestic needs."


www.huffingtonpost.com

Seems like I've found quite a few that agree with my position, even if Twinpac and Rcade don't.

-Unfortunately, she made the easy choice not the right choice and she has to live with it.

You are just who Teddy was talking about, the critic who doesn't count.



Soooo... no comment on why a 527 is OK for Obama but not for Clinton?

Other than grunting, "Obama Goooood! Clinton Baaaaad!", that is.

How much do those "cave man" commercials pay you anyway?

If Hillary had apologized for her vote like Edwards and Biden did, she would not be dealing with the issue today. Moreover, she would probably be winning because voters couldn't hold the issue against her. Instead she feels that she would look weak by admitting she was wrong, and that choice has cost her the nomination.

The one big vote of her career that she totally screwed up.

Not to mention, just look how ready her campaign was for February 6, 2008. She put universal healthcare on the shelf for 15 years, alienated sitting US representatives and Senators in the process, voted for a war thats divided this nation and weakened us both at home and abroad, and she's managed to run a campaign into the dirt because she didn't believe an upstart could possibly defeat her.

Yep, she's ready on day one...with her EVERYDAY is Day One! Thats why she ignores all her mistakes and keeps repeating them over and over again, never stopping to assess what went wrong before heading down the same negative path once more, oblivious that its wrong and harmful.

You are just who Teddy was talking about, the critic who doesn't count.

Sorry honey but my voice as a US citizen counts and there is nothing you or Hillary can do about it. Moreover, I don't think Teddy meant his quote as a way to prevent people from criticizing the choices of politicians, especially ones with the blood of soldiers on their hands.

Secondly, Edwards and Biden have chastized her for not apologizing and admitting her vote was wrong. They were in the arena. Do they not count?

Sorry Corky but when a 527 and its preferred candidate make a public point in saying that another candidate who's been kicking their butt all over America for the last three weeks, while winning contests by epic margins in a supposed "heated election cycle", isn't ready to be POTUS, said candidate is spitting in the face of 10,700,000 American voters who so far cast votes for this supposed "inexperienced" candidate.

Nothing is more insulting than to tell others you know more than they do when you don't walk in their shoes nor do you live their lives. Its arrogant and its elitist to an extreme.

If Hillary's affiliated 527s positively show her without heaping negativity on Obama, then I have no problem whatsoever. If all they do is pile on Obama, they're violating what you said you stood for before this election cycle began. Obama has never personally gone negative on Hillary. The same cannot be said in reverse.


They were running for President at the time.

You will find that the majority of Dems that voted for the resolution, the 70 percent of Americans, and the likely 90 percent of NY'ers who supported it, would agree with T. Roosevelt about punks, er, critics, who castigate others for their vote while not being important enough to have been in the same position of responsibility at the time.

I suggest you read the quote again. And again.

I can read it again and again, and it still doesn't stop me from criticizing Hillary for screwing up the biggest vote of her legislative career. A true leader is willing to make the hard choices not the easy ones.

Are you in favor of restricting speech criticizing politicians? How facist of you.

-If Hillary's affiliated 527s positively show her without heaping negativity on Obama

It must have been a different TR that wrote all the hysterical crapola from the first post 'till now then, eh?

I guarantee it wasn't T. Roosevelt.

They were running for President at the time.

Right but they were in the arena at the time, they have chastized her, and thus, if your logic were to apply, have opened the door for those of us "punks" (you just can't help the name calling) to criticize.

I say I don't need anyone to open any doors for me. I, as a US citizen, have the freedom to say whatever I please and criticize whomever I please - especially when they have the blood of US soldiers on their hands.

Since when am I Obama? Can't keep us straight Corky? I don't have that problem with you and Hillary. She's the one with the biggest balls!

Chew on this assessment of the flailing Clinton campaign:

Aside from an important win in New Hampshire, she has not overperformed in any state. Tactically, her strategists have made a series of massive errors: They were so stung by their loss in Iowa that they largely turned away from caucuses, a disastrous mistake as the race became more dependent on delegates; they thought the election would be over early on and were unprepared to go past Feb. 5, which is why her organizing in post-Super Tuesday states has been so poor; they appear, only now, to be thinking through the implications of Texas' hybrid primary/caucus system--and Texas is a must-win. No one thought to dispatch an intern to ask the state's Democratic Party, how would March 5 work? How savvy of a campaign operation could this be?

Politically, the Clinton campaign has been, if anything, worse. The campaign repeatedly squandered advantages by overreaching on the attack and presenting surrogates it proved unable to control. Bill Clinton's frequent outbursts did not bespeak a disciplined campaign operation. Nor did Mark Penn's increasingly desperate spin, as when he suggested, in what Markos Zunigas called the "insult-40-states-strategy," that the true test of a campaign was its ability to win primaries in massive, heavily Democratic states like New York and California. The constant reports of campaign infighting didn't help, nor did the ceaseless leaks, like the one powering yesterday's (rapidly denied) Roger Simon story in which a "Senior Clinton Official" suggested that the campaign would try to poach pledged delegates.

For all Clinton's talk of bureaucratic mastery, a startling number of her Senate colleagues seem to be endorsing Obama, as are an impressive number of congressional Democrats (including Texas' Chet Edwards, who represents Texas' 17th Congressional District, the reddest district in America held by a Democrat). The campaign's talk of reseating the Michigan and Florida delegations, convincing superdelegates to go against the voters, and winning the nomination through other applications of convention skullduggery has elicited condemnation from no less a force than Nancy Pelosi, who will chair the convention.

Some of these mistakes, some of these leaks, some of this infighting, and some of this desperation are the inevitable outcome of a campaign behind the eight ball. Clinton's operation looked a lot more disciplined when she was the prohibitive front-runner. But explanations are not excuses, and it's growing increasingly hard for Clinton to argue that her experience and electoral discipline set her apart when the largest organization she's ever run--this campaign--is listing so badly and exhibiting a reality so far from the rhetoric. In her speech tonight, Clinton launched her broadside against Obama by saying that "while words matter, the best words in the world aren't enough unless you match them with action." The problem for her is that Obama has matched his words with actions, fulfilled his promises with votes. It's her campaign that rests on an increasingly precarious foundation of words and that needs to demonstrate results to match its rhetoric.
www.prospect.org

People can see there's no one behind the curtain Corky even if you can't. Hillary is losing because Barack is a more effective executive than she is and he's intelligent enough to cover all the political bases, especially those Hillary and Mark Penn couldn't be bothered messing with. Their arrogance has cost her the nomination this year and see better be careful before she pisses off the Party and its leaders more than she already has by trying to rewrite the rules after the game was already played.

-How facist (sic) of you.

Well, at least he isn't the spelling Nazi.

Great argument. One of your best.

Perhaps a trial separation from TR would improve your retort skills?

-Hillary is losing because Barack is a more effective executive than she is

roflmfao!!

So spelling - actually typing - errors are all you have left? You want to shut me up and prevent me from criticizing Hillary's vote and I am supposed to abide?

Fact is, she has left herself open on this and she was wrong. Don't be angry with me because she sent thousands off to die, be angry with her.

He is definitely a better campaigner than she is. She and her campaign have made mistake after mistake throughout this process. If she and her surrogates can't run a campaign, how can they run the WH?


-Hillary is losing because Barack is a more effective executive than she is

roflmfao!!



Posted by Corky at 2008-02-20 03:51 PM | Reply

If She was worth voting for She wouldn't be in the proverbial shitter right about now.

Larry Mohr

I don't use personal attack like you do Corky. I keep my criticisms to public officials, generally.

More great news for O-mentum!

Source: Obama On Track To Raise More Than $36 Million In February
By Greg Sargent - February 20, 2008, 3:33PM

A source of mine tells me that an Obama fundraiser confided to him that the Obama campaign is on track to raise a startling sum in the month of February:

More than $36 million.

Obama raised $36 million in January, and given his victories and momentum, it makes sense that he'd be on track to exceed that and have his best month ever right now. An Obama spokesperson declined to comment.

Separately, here's another astonishing statistic: The campaign will soon report that it has enjoyed its millionth donor.

As I reported earlier today, the Obama camp quietly passed the half-million mark in donors for just this year. Now, in an email to supporters that just went out, the Obama campaign wrote:

"We've crunched all the numbers and discovered that we are within striking distance of something historic: one million people donating to this campaign...We're already more than 900,000 strong."


tpmelectioncentral.talkingpoin
tsmemo.com


And top it all off with these statistics:

Pres '08 (D)
Feb 20 Zogby Obama 52% Clinton 38%

Now THIS is funny! Why didn't you think of it Corky?

Ben Dueholm channels Mark Penn:

To: Interested Parties
From: Mark Penn
Re: Obama's 75% Ceiling

While we heartily congratulate Senator Obama's campaign on their Wisconsin victory, the final results must be less than heartening to the Obama campaign.

1) Obama has a ceiling of 75% of Democratic primary support. Barack Obama has consistently won primaries and caucuses with only 75% or less of the vote. In addition to effectively disenfranchising the at least 25% of the Democratic electorate that is not voting for him, the Obama camp cannot be happy that their candidate hasn't reached 90% of the vote in any contest since the U.S. Virgin Islands on February 9.

2) Obama fails to win key demographics. Once again, Obama has not broken into the key demographic of voters who have been on a casino junket in the last thirty days. He also failed to win voters who had never heard of him, Wiccans, members of more than one bowling league, mourning dove hunters, white voters with "strongly negative" views of African Americans, and Vatican II-rejecting Catholics. These groups will only become more significant as the primary campaign shifts to Texas, Ohio, and Pennsylvania.

3) Who cares about Wisconsin anyway? Seriously, has any of you been to Wisconsin until now? I haven't even been in an airport there. You probably can't even name the capital. It's a state comprised of rubes and impressionable elites. We never really expected to win there, and indeed only heard of the state after February 5th. Prior to that we assumed it was part of Canada, or failing that it was an invention of the beer marketing industry. The mistake is obviously ours, but the underlying point--who gives a s---?--still, we think, stands.

Given all of these facts, we are quite happy with our performance in Wisconsin and look forward to whatever states are next.


tpi.blogspot.com

I have seen nothing in Ohio positive toward the Clinton's.

Bill Clinton almost ruined this state with NAFTA! The day the bill passed I saw the illegals double. Even the Amish are hiring illegals now. LOL!

HILLARY CLINTON IS THE DEATH OF THE NATION AS WE KNOW IT!

Well here comes Hillary's last ditch attempt to overthrow the expressed will of the American voters.
* * *

LOL. That's a little presumptuous, isn't it? Most Americans haven't voted for Obama; they haven't even had the chance to. Now his election is preordained as the "expressed will of the American voters"?

This is the kind of rhetoric I've already grown tired of out of the Messianic Obamites.

Jesus. Horatio. Christ.

If the presentation of an opposing viewpoint by a 527 stirs up this kind of idolatrous hornet's nest, there is no fucking hope for the Dems. It's now the Empty Suit Channel- All Obama, All the Time.

With a very few of you, like Tonyroma, I see a core of reasoned belief, which is fine. With Spuddie, I see a giddy torrent of shrieks and screams, slogans and catchphrases more reminiscent of a prepubescent girl headed to see the Beatles at Shea Stadium in '65 than a registered adult male voter of today.

Obama is a politician, folks. Even if he's ten percent as wonderful as you're making him out to be (which I doubt), he's going to let you down at some point. He's not going to be able to get something done that you want done, or he's going to be outmaneuvered by Congress or the Republicans or Al-Qaeda, or all three.

All this talk of "change" makes me wonder- what change is it, exactly, that you want to see? What do you expect Barack Obama to do to bring that change (or those changes) about? And what will happen if he does not (cannot, will not, whatever) bring it about?

C'mon, I'm listening. What specific changes are you hiring this guy to accomplish? And how will you hold him accountable?

Enquiring minds want to know.

The Clintons swiftboating a fellow dem...the politics of personal destruction...

This is almost funny. Raising questions about Obama's qualifications for the job does NOT constitute a personal attack.

Accusing the Clintons of swiftboating a fellow Dem sure is, though!

Actually, this is all very amusing to watch. The Democrats have cast themselves as two things, simultaneously: victims, and above reproach. Any campaign ad run against Barack Obama, therefore, must be racist and inspired by pure evil. But things get complicated when it comes from another quarter on the Left. Thus, the confusion.

If you guys are going to get hysterical just because of a campaign ad in the Democratic primaries, how are you going to get when Obama gets his first veto overturned? Or his budgets get held up in the Senate? If you keep demonizing everyone whose agenda doesn't exactly fit in with the deification of Barack Obama, you'll hardly be enjoying the next few years you've worked so hard for. Get over it, now. It's a big country, and your man pretends he can bring America together. You're off to a lousy start.

ALP has developed three ads aimed at tarnishing Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, as a talker and not a doer -- the ads are called "If speeches could solve problems" -- and they will contrast Obama and Clinton on issues of importance to middle class voters, such as the economy, health care, and the mortgage crisis.

"Our purpose is to encourage audiences to look beyond the campaign speeches and political rhetoric to specific proposals to address these core issues," says an ALP mission statement obtained by ABC News.

The plan right now is for the TV ads to never actually mention Obama


Its truly sad to see the Clinton legacy end in such ignominious fashion. Scorched earth is never good politics -- TR

You give Obama supporters a bad name by arguing that "looking beyond the campaign speeches and political rhetoric to specific proposals" is nasty business.

omfg.. tonyroma is the gzlives of the obama cause.

Both Hillary and Obama both have similar platforms. More Jobs, better Jobs. Healthcare, get out of Iraq. The difference I see is that Obama can hopefully get some cooperation from the republicans. I prefer a congress that can work together for the good of the people not one constantly fighting.

Even if Obama can'r keep all of his promises hopefully he keeps some of them.

He will attempt to keep his promises.

Hillary has a tendency to promise and forget.

She promised to work to end the Electoral College system, she SAID, after the 2000 election.

She did squat.

"She promised to work to end the Electoral College system, she SAID, after the 2000 election."

And you believed her? What, weren't you paying attention in Constitution class?


Here is the first commercial:

www.youtube.com

Posted by taxman at 2008-02-20 02:17 PM


It real message is that they were too cowardly to leave comments active. And they're too stupid to understand that Youtube viewers know exactly what that means.

Have faith people...

"Her campaign is circling the drain as we speak and Corky is the shitstain remaining on the porcelain because the water was so hard...."

So much for "grace in victory."

ALP will not be legally permitted to coordinate with the Clinton campaign,


of course not but somehow you can book it that just like blue dresses on fat interns, the clinton stain is all over this. and just like so many other times, she will make sure that if there is ever any questions, she will be able to give the answer she gave about travelgate,fbi files, etc etc.....that same answer that she can give with a straight face right out of forrest gump.

"well, now I dont knows about any of that"......

riiiiiiiiiiiiight....of course you dont.

If Hillary had apologized for her vote like Edwards and Biden did, she would not be dealing with the issue today. Moreover, she would probably be winning because voters couldn't hold the issue against her. Instead she feels that she would look weak by admitting she was wrong, and that choice has cost her the nomination.

Posted by Taxman


Hillary doesn't own the inability to admit a mistake, it is common in politics, and indeed an art form for the non-curious man in the WH.

I've heard Obama saying that he will make mistakes but will try to to better.... and I have thought my God would it not be refreshing to have that quality in a leader.

Most Repubs will not vote for Obama but I do not think that one half (48%) of the nation will go into the election hating his guts for his real and perceived past sins.

I've heard Obama saying that he will make mistakes but will try to to better.... and I have thought my God would it not be refreshing to have that quality in a leader.

What does one expect him to say? I haven't made mistakes and I don't plan on doing better? He is a politician. Politicians promise you the moon and find a way to pass the blame when they are called on their lies diguised as promises.Why does the minimul amount of substance in stump speeches get the most play? Why doesn't his promise of lowering healthcare $2500 a year for every family in America grab the headlines? How about his refusal to enforce current immigration laws? Why does a feel good speech qualify someone to the WH?

I asked:

"C'mon, I'm listening. What specific changes are you hiring this guy to accomplish? And how will you hold him accountable?

Enquiring minds want to know."


And a vast silence ensued.

asked:

"C'mon, I'm listening. What specific changes are you hiring this guy to accomplish? And how will you hold him accountable?

Enquiring minds want to know."

And a vast silence ensued.

Posted by MaryTylerWhore at 2008-02-21 11:17 AM


Not even a negative Bush reference. Maybe the question can be answered if you change 'this guy' to the current House and their accomplishments.

CRISPEE;
I agree with you. He has not been specific about anything. All the people jumping on his bandwagon are nothing more than sheep. Ask any of his supportes to be specific about his policies and they can't. He is jst elling the lemmings what they want to hear.
Somebody please tell me how his health care plan will work? How it will effect me and mt private health care. Tell me where he sands on welfare reform and how he proposes to fix it.
I have been to his website and there are nothing but generalities.

CRISPEE;
I agree with you. He has not been specific about anything. All the people jumping on his bandwagon are nothing more than sheep. Ask any of his supportes to be specific about his policies and they can't. He is jst elling the lemmings what they want to hear.
Somebody please tell me how his health care plan will work? How it will effect me and mt private health care. Tell me where he sands on welfare reform and how he proposes to fix it.
I have been to his website and there are nothing but generalities.

Do you people remember what George W Bush said at this stage of the 2000 election?

That he was a compassionate Conservative.

That he wanted America to be humble in the world.

That we should never have troops in a situation where we didn't have an exit strategy.


McCain and Clinton are promising the impossible.

Don't you think that may be why Obama is getting so much support?

"ALP is being run by the following people:

Jason Kinney, of California Strategies, LLC, a former senior communications advisor and chief speechwriter to former California Governor Gray Davis;"

Oh, well, then it's bound to be a rousing success!

Sitdown,
I don't think I am able to answer that. Only because my opinion would be partisan and uninformed. I would like to know why so many people claim they and the Counrty are at rock bottom and think the next elected Pres. will turn their lives around. Maybe I am one of the lucky ones or ignorance is bliss. Either way the Pres has so little effect on my every day life and I will always live that way.

Tony, when I hear bullshit like this, it makes me laugh at all the Obamaniacs

"I only hope the Democratic Party takes the Clintons and their supporters to task for trying to stop a once-in-a-lifetime movement that started from the ground-up and has energized the electorate from Atlantic to Pacific Oceans and many of the states inbetween."

Well, if Obama has truly 'energized the electorate' don't you think his delegate lead would be over 100 at this point? Taking into account Michigan and Florida (even if they were to revote) and Clinton would have a commading lead. Just who has Obama energized beyond the black vote which appears to be voting purely on race (what would we call that if white voters did the same?). I am not a Clinton supporter, but if Obama is afraid of a Clinton 527, then the Republicans can sleep well at night knowing they will destroy him. I really don't blame Clinton, the media has not done its job in vetting Obama because they don't want to be called racists so she is ensuring that the real Obama is exposed (and it is not even focusing on shady land deals with indicted friends or his drug use/dealing). Obama is just and inexperienced charlatan with wife that can't keep her mouth shut. About 50% of his support is from the 'anybody buy Hillary crowd' which won't help in the general election. Lastly, he voted at least 22 times to keep the war in Iraq going and seemed genuinely ignortant of global affairs. His campaign should have published his 32 pages of positions in 50 point font and called it the '1000 page manifesto' so the Obamaniacs could delude themselves into thinking that there was 1000 pages of substance behind his rhetoric vs. only 32 pages of fluff.

"Either way the Pres has so little effect on my every day life and I will always live that way."

That is an uninformed opinion. The real effect of mismanagement thus far is a vastly weakened dollar due to outsourced jobs (trade imbalance) and huge deficits. We reap what we sowed when the dollar is devalued on the world market and the US gov loses its AAA credit rating. At that point, we will see double digit inflation and drastic cuts in all government services (roads, defense, etc). Bush has pushed us much closer to that point, which is why even Bloomberg says this country is starting to resemble a 3rd world nation (based on our balance sheet).

"Either way the Pres has so little effect on my every day life and I will always live that way."

That is an uninformed opinion.

Posted by Jacque_Strap at 2008-02-21 11:52 AM

I won't argue I am uninformed. That doesn't mean I am blind to the policies good or bad. Like I said maybe ignorance is bliss or I don't have enough time to dwell. I know it is nowhere near as important as those who post here as though their lives have been altered to the worse extreme.

I know it is nowhere near as important as those who post here as though their lives have been altered to the worse extreme.

I would agree with that until the house of cards comes crashing down and we are all seriously, negatively impacted. Today, I think the only ones that would be really affected are:

1.) Families of servicemen/women
2.) People on welfare
3.) Illegal immigrants
4.) Gays, Lesbians, Transgender
5.) People considering having abortions in the future

Unfortunately, it will be affecting us all soon with the coming collapse of the dollar and neither of the major parties have the backbone or brains to stop it.

"McCain and Clinton are promising the impossible.

Don't you think that may be why Obama is getting so much support?"
--SITDOWN


Obama has promised the impossible plus a side of fries and a small coke.

That is why he is getting so much support; America loves magic, fantasy, and combo meals.

"Obama has promised the impossible plus a side of fries and a small coke."

Oh, I like that!

If Empty Suit gets elected, I predict:

He will do nothing of any real benefit to Americans, because he'll find out the hard way what happens to a Prez who doesn't have enough experience with Congress.

Then his disappointed faithful will begin yelling "T'row da bum out!"

Then it's back to Republicans for another eight years.

We did it before (Carter) and we can do it again.

I live in Ohio and got a call this afternoon from the Clinton camp. It was for my wife as she is the D in the family.
It wasn't the attack Obama message, it was Hillary can save jobs and prevent foreclosure message. Mailbox is full of stuff everyday too.

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