She'll win. The Republicans are going to cross party lines to help her out.

"If she gets blown out, it would put her in a very weak position for the nomination,"

Besides a handful of states like illinois and arkansas to name a couple have there been any real blow outs? Seems like they're always decided by just a few points... which explains why even though he's won 8 in a row they're still neck and neck. If the DNC had a winner take all system, this thing would have been over a long time ago.

The most recent poll I've seen shows Clinton up by 5-6... I doubt this one is going to be a blow out one way or the other.

She should win Wisconsin and I don't understand why she is the underdog there. It is made up of Clinton followers: uneducated, blue-collar, workers.

She should win Wisconsin

With a shared delegate system, is it even really winning if either wins by only a point or two? Its a really stupid system the DNC has...

Can't wait for the supers to pick hillary...

It is made up of Clinton followers: uneducated, blue-collar, workers.

Posted by taxman

It is made up of Clinton followers: uneducated, blue-collar, workers, that don't like Muslims.

"It is made up of Clinton followers: uneducated, blue-collar, workers, that don't like Muslims."

If you added "Mexicans" then Danni and CalifChris would be Wisconsin Democrats by default.

that don't like Muslims.

I read this as a joke, but am now wondering if you meant it or not.

Brett Farve says if she doesn't win she'll have to Packer in.

I read this as a joke, but am now wondering if you meant it or not.

Posted by taxman

You read it right, Tax.

Brett Farve says if she doesn't win she'll have to Packer in.

Do you think Brett could pick up Hillary like he did Cameron Diaz in "There's Something About Mary"?

It is made up of Clinton followers: uneducated, blue-collar, workers, that don't like Muslims.

Posted by wisgod


It is made up of Clinton followers: uneducated, blue-collar, workers, that don't like muslims, and enjoy breathing air....

Seriously... who doesn't fall into the second to last category?

I am really surprised that she isn't up by at least 10 points in Wisconsin, and I wouldn't be shocked if she won by 10 points tonight.

I am really surprised that she isn't up by at least 10 points in Wisconsin, and I wouldn't be shocked if she won by 10 points tonight.

Posted by taxman

We have a number of Republican talk shows here, and they all pushed for Republicans to vote for the beast. There isn't enough water and soap in Wisconsin that would make me feel clean after doing it.

"We have a number of Republican talk shows here, and they all pushed for Republicans to vote for the beast. "

It is a bit against the principle of democracy.

Wisconsin is a bastion of American liberalism.

The liberal wing of the Dems really like Obama.

WORD UP!

Obama is gonna win Wisconsin...

OK Politico has a piece up that says Hillary's camp is planning to go after Obama's "pledged delegates" if she has to. If that is the case and she gets the nomination through shady dealings then the Dem party will implode and I wouldn't be surprised to see two or three seperate factions come out of the convention. Moreover, if that is the case I wouldn't be shocked to see a Clinton v. Obama v. Bloomber v. McCain election. Now that would be crazy because it is doubtful that any one candidate could pull in the requisite amount of electoral college votes to win.

With a shared delegate system, is it even really winning if either wins by only a point or two?

To the media, winning is huge.

In reality, we should just look at how many delegates are won and what that means to the overall race. But that's not as much fun for Russert and the gang, so it's all about who wins each state.

Hillary might cry, pout and hiss in Wisconsin but I doubt she will win.

Clinton v. Obama v. Bloomber v. McCain

With McCain in the lead I don't really see a place at the table for Bloomberg. McCain is very popular with indies, so I doubt Bloomberg could really pull enough support to get going.

If Huckabee were to win somehow, then yeah, I would think Bloomberg is in.

What I'm scared of is a far right wing candidate jumping in because of all this "McCain is a liberal" bullshit.

"Clinton Needs Win in Wisconsin"

it would make sense that in the land of Cheese Hillary would do well....

Lotta insults against this place, sheesh! Last I checked, Wisconsin's education system was in the top 10. UW-Madison is one of the top Universities in the world. Lotta Mexicans here, thus, lotta Mexican-haters here, too. And, seriously, who doesn't hate Muslims?*

*note sarcasm there, I'm not an ignorant f_ckwad

Hillary's gonna lose here. My intelligent, well-educated Wisconsin friends are Obama-backers. Hell, even the dumb ones are Obama-backers (just kidding, I don't have any dumb friends).
On Wisconsin, home of Ed Gein and Jeffrey Dahmer!

It will serve the repubs right if they do end up with McCain winning and having to hold the sack of shit they've made.

No Jimmy Carter needs to hold the bag and take the blame this time for the meltdown.

I listened to an interesting discussion about Hillary yesterday. It dealt with her political career including term as First Lady, her Senate run, her Senate votes etc. all leading up to her becoming POTUS. Everything she is done up until this point in time is to make herself appear moderate. The point being she'll lean far more left than Obama, should she win.

Taxman - I put up a user blog before I saw your post. Maybe if it gets a few comments Rcade will move it to the front.

It will serve the repubs right if they do end up with McCain winning and having to hold the sack of shit they've made.

Posted by Mista Kurt

McCain wouldn't hold the sack... he'd keep filling it up with more of the same... the guy is itching for the CIC role where he can start banging heads.

I think it was Rob who recently asked me to define Neo-con... so far as I can tell their basic foreign policy is to kill everything that doesn't agree with us.

And one last (a positive) word on McCain... I do not think he would be universally despised, and much to the disgust of some he is capable of compromise.

Repubs must really fear an Obama nomination when they talk about sending their troops out to vote for Hillary... I would assume that they think McCain can walk over her in November... Rots of Ruck, see you in Nov !

Repubs must really fear an Obama nomination when they talk about sending their troops out to vote for Hillary...

Or maybe if you pay attention, you'd see what your party can do with the Super Delegates to screw yourselves if this race stays close.

What is this nonsense about all the uneducated people voting for Hillary. I guess the uneducated can see through the Obama talk (blah, blah, hope, blah, blah, change, blah, blah, its our time, blah, blah) and the educated are so far up there where the air is so thin that they can't see the forest for the trees. Doesn't say much for the intellectuals that our colleges have spit out over the years.

These same yahoos wanted to drink a beer with Bush, now they want to drink a latte with another empty suit!

The word is that the National Education Association's Wisconsin affiliate is backing Clinton behind the scenes, if not openly, while the NEA's Illinois affiliate has 400 "volunteers" inside Wisconsin or working phone lines for Obama in Chicago. I'm sure these two groups will have many "frank and comradely" discussions at the NEA convention in July, especially if Obama wins.

What is this nonsense about all the uneducated people voting for Hillary

It isn't nonsense, it is a demographic that is tracked through polling. That demographic heavily favors Hillary because they liked Bubba. What that demographic fails to realize is that there jobs are being shipped over seas because of NAFTA and GATT which Bubba signed into law. Maybe if they were educated they could realize that.

I am a Republican and along with many of my friends we are heading to the polling places and voting for Obama. I don't care if McCain loses in the general, we all have such a hatred for this woman that we want to see her lose big-time. Especially to a guy who has no answers to anything. I think its great. GO OBAMA!!!
OH did you see Bill waving that big long finger at that reporter. No wonder that fat chick liked to show up in the Oval Office. I wonder who Hillary will be looking for. I got it Michael Moore. PERFECT!!

Reg, my Momma's doing the same as you and your friends. Hil-dawg's toast. And God Bless the Minister of Defense.

Hey Reggie, where you from?

Sass, you are all class.

Hey, get off the bar stool hope in your 1975 dodge truck and head back to the trailer.

If people were yearning for 'experience' over 'change' the Democrat's '08 Presidential ticket would have been Biden-Dodd.

I think people, yes even some Republicans from what I've read, want (as I do) a new tone in Washington. It serves none of us - Red or Blue - for politics to be carried on in the same divisive manner it has been for much too long now.

FDR was a one term NY governor and State Legislator. Lincoln never served in Washington. Ronald Reagan was a governor. Most of our presidents have been governors. Who says Washington experience is the end-all-get-all in who we seek to lead our country.

Vision IS a big deal. Reagan, JFK, FDR - they all INSPIRED US to do better, strive higher, come together to move America forward. All without villifying the other side.

Wouldn't most of us rather have a government that's getting along, disagreeing without being disagreeable, and reaching a consensus from the best ideas on the functional aspects of running our government? Our past Presidents and Congress have gotten together on many occasions to enable us to achieve more than our parents and grandparents generations as we always have before.

AU - I am a libertarian that will be voting for Obama for many of the reasons you mentioned above.

HA HA HA. I grew up in Scony and I went back for 2002-2003. The radio stations are still playing Rush and Metallica. Madison thinks they are a cultural mecca because they have tree hugging dykes but they are sincerely clueless.

We left after 6 months because it was so lame!

All Obama has to do is yell CHANGE a few times and he should be able to take the state. Politics are a sham on a whole new technologically advanced level!

"Vision IS a big deal. Reagan, JFK, FDR - they all INSPIRED US to do better, strive higher, come together to move America forward. All without villifying the other side."

I wish people would stop comparing Obama to JFK, I really really really do.

Yes, JFK had vision, and he knew how to communicate it. But he also had rather a lot of experience backing up the ringing phrases. In addition to his Harvard degree in international affairs (back when Harvard knew what it was doing), he served six years in the U.S. House of Representatives, and seven in the U.S. Senate before becoming President at the age of 43.

Now look at the Messia- uh, Obama. Seven years as a junior- junior- state Senator in Illinois. Then two- count 'em, two- years in the U.S. Senate, part of a first term he has yet to complete.

That's right- at an age three years more advanced than that of Kennedy's when elected President, Mr. Wonderful has something like 15 percent of the experience that JFK did, and nothing like the training. Obama's own sheepskin from Hah-vahd is a J.D. (Juris Doctor), which essentially qualifies him to be an attorney.

Obama is not ready to be President. He does seem to have quite a lot of smarts, and he does have a gift for rhetoric. But we need a President who knows the ins and outs of our Federal system like the back of his hand, if we are going to fix the mess that Dubya, Darth, Karl and Condi are leaving behind. Whatever he is- and he may be some of the wonderful things his supporters feel he is- Obama is too wet behind the ears to be tackling an America in tatters after eight years of Dubya, let alone the restoration of our image and fortunes abroad after Dubya's incessant pissings-off of the entire world.

I'm not gonna say that Hillary, or McCain, or anyone else, is the perfect choice for President. But I will say that Obama is not the right choice for the situation with which we are faced. The American electorate should take a moment to stop and consider just how monumentally bad its choice was the last go-round, and do whatever it can to exercise judgment and restraint in choosing someone to correct the vast mistake it made with Dubya. This Messiah crap needs to stop- it's essentially the same unthinking, unreasoning rah-rah shit that put Bush in the White House.

In lieu of an edit function, I have to offer a correction to the following:

"That's right- at an age three years more advanced than that of Kennedy's when elected President, Mr. Wonderful has something like 15 percent of the experience that JFK did, and nothing like the training."

It should read:

"That's right- at an age three years more advanced than that of Kennedy's when elected President, Mr. Wonderful has something like 15 percent of the national experience that JFK did, and nothing like the training."

MARYTYLER

The economy is the #1 issue for voters now. McCain has stated publicly that economics isn't his strong suit and he doesn't know much about it. How do you square that with 'experience'?

PS We sure could have better discussions here if you left the snearing out of your posts "Messiah". That's exactly what's wrong with politics.

FYI: Obama has top notch advisors on all areas of government. Reagan had HOW much national security experience as governor of California? You get my point....

"The economy is the #1 issue for voters now. McCain has stated publicly that economics isn't his strong suit and he doesn't know much about it. How do you square that with 'experience'?

PS We sure could have better discussions here if you left the snearing out of your posts "Messiah". That's exactly what's wrong with politics.

FYI: Obama has top notch advisors on all areas of government. Reagan had HOW much national security experience as governor of California? You get my point...."

AU:

I didn't say that McCain was my choice, and I agree with you that his economics are weak.

If you think my writing the word "Messiah" comes off as sneering, you should hear me say it out loud. I am so forcibly reminded of the rah-rah that pushed the Worst President Ever into the White House it is not remotely funny. From everything I hear and see, many voters are not up on why they're for Obama, they just know that he's for "change". I myself don't necessarily hold change to be a good thing in and of itself; it's the nature of the change that is important, and I don't hear nearly enough specifics from His Holiness. In addition, two years in the Senate is not nearly enough time to get the network needed to actually accomplish such change going.

I remind you that attempts to enact real change will constitute a threat to the status quo in Congress. Since Congress can hand a President his ass (although they certainly haven't done it lately, it is true), do we really need a bunch of well-intentioned bills being shot down so that Congress can keep things going in the profitable, palsy-walsy way they've been going? I've seen that happen (Carter) and it wasn't pretty, unless you were Ronald Reagan's campaign advisors.

And speaking of that one, if you're trying to flush me out as a supporter of Little Ronnie Reagan (Bette Davis's epithet for him during his time as an alleged actor), you're SO barking up the wrong stump. It hardly seemed likely that such a massive fraud could become President, but he did it, and then Bush 43 topped him. The support of Reagan's early years was his father's W.P.A. job. W.P.A. stood for Works Progress Administration; W.P.A. jobs were make-work jobs that F.D.R. cooked up to give needy Depression-era Americans paychecks. As someone whose name escapes me at the moment once said, this was the first thing Ronald Reagan ever forgot.

I know I'm a voice in the wilderness at this point, but I can tell you exactly what's going to happen if Obama gets elected. There will be a few weeks of jubilation, then the reality of his limitations will set in, we will suffer through that for the remainder of his term, and then the Republicans will come a-roarin' back in '12.

wisconsin doesn't matter.

her heinous

now what since Clinton has been defeated - no jubilation here!

I know I'm a voice in the wilderness at this point, but I can tell you exactly what's going to happen if Hillary Clinton gets elected. There will be a few weeks of jubilation, then the reality of his limitations will set in, we will suffer through that for the remainder of his term, and then the Republicans will come a-roarin' back in '12.

Hillary lost big time, it started as a tight race in Wisconsin, but later on, Obama pulled out way ahead. As far as Hillary getting elected, lol...Some of the most important Dems already rejected her. She is getting less and less endorsements as she looses more and more States. The Dems would look bad if Obama wins the popular vote but looses the super delegates vote. It's not going to happen, Hillary might be VP, but not President.

Obama was a 10th of a percent away from making it 59% in Wis

Hawaii? BLOWOUT ! He's at 75% and may hit 78%

Hillary has hired Godzilla to exact revenge on Hawaii. He refuses to 'do' cold weather.

Wisconsin Exit Polls:

Obama Won:

Women (51-49)
All age groups under 65
All education levels
All regions of the state -- urban, suburban and rural
Voters without college degrees (50-48)
Democrats (50-49)
Whites (53-46)
White men (59-38)
Voters who decided in the last week (58-42)

Won or tied voters of all income levels
Tied among white women
Tied among union members
Tied among union households

The reason Hawaiian returns are so late in coming (2 1/2 hours now) is that people were still voting up until a half an hour ago because of record shattering turnout. Many precincts had 30X the voters of the 2004 caucuses.

AU

Good political analysis of the race tonight on Larry King. Major radio talk show host, Ed Schultz, who originally was very pro-Hillary said she is going to have to win Ohio and Texas and win BIG -- by at least a 60 plus percentage or else the Democrat elites who run the party are not going to back her up anymore.

Also very telling, Repubican total votes equaled less in turnout tonight than for either for Hillary or Obama and that if it was "one race" then McCain would have come in third.

That is a bad sign for Republicans in the '08 run because it means many Republicans will sit home in November and not vote as they don't like McCain plus he doesn't inspire people. McCain is seen as a major traitor on the McCain/Kennedy bill last year and many Republicans don't trust him as far as they can throw him.

The Republicans may be very sorry they let McCain get the ticket. Then Daddy Bush endorsing him only solidified many people's view that McCain is just a Bush toady who will sell his soul just to become President and if that means selling out to a continuation of the Bush policies of the last 8 years then that's just what McCain will do.

Should be an interesting year to political watch.

Obama is the snizzles
McCain is the drizzles
Clinton Just fizzles

Larry Mohr

"Bush toady..."

CC

Letterman said something really funny tonight:

"Fidel Castro will pass over his idiot son, Fidel W Castro, and turn over control to his brother, Raul.

(he he he he(

I know I'm a voice in the wilderness at this point, but I can tell you exactly what's going to happen if Hillary Clinton gets elected. There will be a few weeks of jubilation, then the reality of his limitations will set in, we will suffer through that for the remainder of his term, and then the Republicans will come a-roarin' back in '12.

Posted by sitdown
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Go back to bed it was only a dream. Listen to one of Baracks speeches and you'll know why. I watched him last night from Texas speak and don't recall him looking down to remind him what comes next. He spoke non stop and looked at the audience the whole time for some 40 minutes. The crowd was going nuts and Obama hit very subtley every opponent and every problem this country faces with real ideas and solutions. He totally ignored Clinton and spoke as the democratic nominee if not the president himself. I have not been able to watch a politician speak since Reagan . I think Obama is the best I have ever seen.