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Tuesday, February 19, 2008

Paul Krugman: "Poverty in early childhood poisons the brain." That's the conclusion of research presented last week at the American Association for the Advancement of Science. As the Financial Times explained, neuroscientists have found that "many children growing up in very poor families with low social status experience unhealthy levels of stress hormones, which impair their neural development." The effect is to impair language development and memory -- and hence the ability to escape poverty -- for the rest of the child's life. So now we have another, even more compelling reason to be ashamed about America's record of failing to fight poverty.

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Yup. Look what it did to Abe Lincoln.

If you are born there dosn't mean you have to stay there. Your choice here in the land of the free!

Poverty" is a vague term just like "fat", "tall", "smart", "friendly", etc.. The fact that "poverty" is a vague term and cannot be defined precisely, does not stop Socialist like Krugman from using it to run down America. He is a leader in the "hate America first" team.
The commonly used component is "salary", a popular definition of poverty for the rest of the world is an income of less than one US dollar per day.
Of course, that definition will not do in the USA, as that would kill the massive allocation of funds to the "poor" that Congress so enthusiastically dispenses.
Therefore, the poverty level in the USA is set much higher and is more complex than that simple criteria of $1 per day. As of 2005, the threshold for poverty for a family of four was an annual income of $22,029. The poverty threshold varies by size and "number of related children" from $14,501 for one person to $39,417 for a family of 9 or more. The chart is online at the Census Bureau's
Since "poverty" is not absolute but a relative term, one has to wonder how does this definition of poverty compare with how we used to define poverty and how others countries of the world still define it. Some interesting comparison's surface
In the 1920s, over half of the families would have been officially "poor" by today's standard (adjusted for inflation).
The average "poor" American lives in a bigger house or apartment, eats far more meat, owns more appliances, has more amenities such as indoor toilets, than the average European (note that "average" includes all, not just the poor).
Today's poor are more likely to own common appliances such as televisions and refrigerators than the average family in the 1950s.
Government reports show that the poor actually spend 2 to 3 times as much as their official income. Amazing!
As a group, the "poor" are far from being chronically hungry and malnourished. In fact, poor persons are more likely to be overweight than are middle-class persons. Nearly half of poor adult women are overweight. Most poor children today are in fact super-nourished, growing up to be, on average, one inch taller and ten pounds heavier that the GIs who stormed the beaches of Normandy in World War II.
The present massive level of spending on welfare for the poor started with the President Johnson in 1964. Since that time there has been an estimated $7 trillion spent on this "war" with no noticeable impact on the poverty rate - But if "poverty" did decline there would be no reason for social programs ...so we keep moving the value of what is "poverty" up.

This is not the 1920's - there are not millions of starving Americans. Poverty was the way that liberal came into power and drove a socialist agenda - which like all socialist programs did not succeed.

Abe Lincoln had a literate mother who taught him literacy at a very young age. He was able to write a circuit riding preacher a letter asking him to come and pray over the mother's grave at about age ten or so. He afterwards was asked to read and write letters for the whole nearby community, according to a biography I saw on a C-Span Book Review a few weeks ago.

He was in a pioneer community and didn't go through what the article is talking about here.

If you are born there dosn't mean you have to stay there. Your choice here in the land of the free!
Posted by Sniper at 2008-02-19 11:14 AM


YEAH!

Says The White Man!

If wanting to eliminate poverty makes you a socialist, then sign me up. I'm tired of the same old arguments against fighting poverty. They're based solely on greed and nothing else.

Says The White Man!

Posted by Redneckville

You poor, abused person of another color. Get your sorry ass off the res, get a job, and make something of yourself. Quit crying to me about how abused you are. Oh, you might want to stay off the sauce too.

Anthropological studies of 1st world nations have shown that 10% of any nation will not contribute to society and pull themselves up no matter what you do to help. Consider that we have 300 million people in our country and 37 million live in "poverty." This means that only 7 million people of those people are trying to get themselves out of poverty. If you look at it from a logical, fact based perspective, you will see that we have done a pretty fine job of eradicating poverty.

From that 1988 study (I believe it was that study), he omitted some another fact that pertains to this opinion piece. It was found that all children, regardless of income, tested better when they were in a smart social group. Parental influence (including social/economic level) has far less impact than the peer group of the child. The smart, nerdy kids in school are always willing to accept new friends, but it is often that these poor kids run with the wrong crowd.

This article speaks of problems developmentally with the young.

The very elderly if ill have if possible less.

In our old age few can afford the high expense of long term care insurance. It seems that food and even the drugs needed to keep functioning are more important.

When a person in such a position is placed in a nursing home, they become the poorist of the poor.

While its true that you are fed and entertainment (?) is provided and you have a roof and bed. The amount of money allowed as personnel maintenance is $35.00 per month.

Many of these people are not present mentally, some are. Just what can be done with $8.00 a week?
I understand that the care provided is expensive but these people are warehoused not "cared" for.

The real hard to see group is the young people with serious handicaps or damage inflicted by man or nature. Their brains are fine but they will never fit into general society.

Imagine being in this situation. But of course there is SSD that is Social Security disability right? Wrong. That, with the exception of that $35.00 is taken for your "share of cost".

Without a family to help with such things as a telephone, newspaper or ?, you sit and your mind slowly turns to tapioca pudding.

This is the world of semi-socialized medicine today. Is it a warehouse or medical facility. Don't ask the residents, they know all to well.


If wanting to eliminate poverty makes you a socialist, then sign me up. I'm tired of the same old arguments against fighting poverty. They're based solely on greed and nothing else.

Posted by igmoramus
* * * *

Absolutely hilarious post. How many trillions of dollars have been spent in the so-called "War On Poverty", which hasn't moved the poverty figures even one bit? And your answer is . . . MORE MONEY! . . . how predictable.

The only antidote to poverty is wealth. If a government bureaucrat helping you fill out an AFDC form cured poverty, we wouldn't have any. So, obviously, it must be something else.

This won't matter, though. As soon as Obama becomes president, manna will fall from heaven, and everyone will be rich.

The "War On Poverty" hasn't moved the figures even one bit?The article says differently.


L. B. J. declared his "War on Poverty" 44 years ago. Contrary to cynical legend, there actually was a large reduction in poverty over the next few years, especially among children, who saw their poverty rate fall from 23 percent in 1963 to 14 percent in 1969.

And what happened after 1969? What happened to poverty rates among adults? How about among African-Americans?

And what happened after 1969? What happened to poverty rates among adults? How about among African-Americans?

Posted by rightisright

You know!!! A republican followed LBJ and the world turned to shit.

If Krugman is right, it must also be the case that a life of comfort and luxury produces geniuses like this: www.whitehouse.gov


Yup. Look what it did to Abe Lincoln.

Posted by k_g_beekeeper at 2008-02-19 10:41 AM

You forgot Barak.

"If wanting to eliminate poverty makes you a socialist, then sign me up."

I would be very interested in hearing what you are doing to "eliminate poverty".

Poverty rates declined until 1978 when the income rate level for poverty jumped over $1000 year over year. In fact from 1988 to 2002 the income level over DOUBLED for a family of 4 (from 8K in income to $18K)- AND what is not counted is all the government programs inacted to support this group. Inflation has not accounted for a doubling of income in 12 years. If kept in constant dollars the poverty rate has actually declined 70% between 88 and 2000.

If you take in Government benefits the poverty level has fallen from 14% in 83 to 9% in 2002. (yes the Bush Years)

But the "official rate" has remained rather constant since the original decline between 1959 and 1966 when the "adjustments" started taking place.

The basic truth is that the richer the poor get - the more the income is adjusted to relevel the income level higher.

If you are born there dosn't mean you have to stay there. Your choice here in the land of the free!
Posted by Sniper at 2008-02-19 11:14 AM


YEAH!

Says The White Man!

Posted by Redneckville at 2008-02-19 11:23 AM

Sniper is right. Here in America, anyone who wants to be successful in life has every opportunity to do so. Even the poorest of Americans can go to college with grants from the government. Your life is what you make of it, so make it a good one. Unfortunately, posters like Redneckville who are so full of hate will never acheive their full potential until they stop playing the blame game. I feel sorry for him sometimes. At other times, I enjoy laughing at him. He lives in the greatest country in the world and doesn't even realize it.

"Unfortunately, posters like Redneckville who are so full of hate will never acheive their full potential until they stop playing the blame game."
Posted by Republican4ever at 2008-02-19 01:26 PM

YEAH!

You told me all right! I can't fulfill my full potential unless I play "Gotcha Capitalism" like you!

www.gotchacapitalism.com

Yup, and because I choose to advocate for the nameless and voiceless instead of siding with Power one must conclude (in Bush World that is) I haven't reached my own "potential" and am simply playing the blame game!

You sure have it all figured out this time ------ but how to explain away all those instances of being oh so wrong in the past!

However, back to the thread!

I never contested what the Cracker sniper proclaimed ---- I simply put what this Cracker proclaimed into Context!

A White Man Lecturing us on the advantages afforded the Non-White!

YEAH!

And I'm sorry if me putting what a Cracker proclaiming the "fairness" afforded the colored man into Context ruined your fantasy!

Grow up!

Red,

My daughter and the daughter of friends of ours (a mixed race couple) went to the same Grade School, Jr. High, and High school together. My daughter was captain of the B ball, Volleyball teams, was in 3 choirs, played the lead in Les Mis and she had a 3.99 GPA with 20 hours in AP programs.

The other girl had a 3.80, did very little extras.

The other girl got full scholarships, got into about every college she applied to.

Why...race. One of the advantages of being non-white. My question ...WHY?

The other girl had a 3.80, did very little extras.

The other girl got full scholarships, got into about every college she applied to.

Why...race. One of the advantages of being non-white. My question ...WHY?
Posted by foshaffer at 2008-02-19 02:16 PM


YEAH!

It seems you are pretending that people get ahead only by hard work and determination --------- and forgetting about Luck and Breaks!

In all honesty. Do you believe this break, or as you put it "One of the advantages of being non-white" outweighs the negatives of being a person of color in a society that shuns not only people that are different (color) but white people who fail to conform to the normative? And that by Hard Work and Determination alone can overcome such obstacles (hard work and determination does little if you can't get in the door to start with).

In fact I contend that not only are people of color widely and openly discriminated against in America, but Whites with ethnic names as well! It was only a few months ago that Neil Boortz and Sean Hanititty were all in a rage and recommending to their listeners to not hire anyone who didn't have an "American Sounding Name" regardless of where they may have originated from (American or not)!

"Why...race. One of the advantages of being non-white. My question ...WHY?"

Same reason the Western World keeps bending over to accommodate the Jew ----- Guilt mixed with a bit of penance!

" which like all socialist programs did not succeed."

Yeah, cuz we don't have millions of elderly living in relative dignity due to social security.

Medicare doesn't provide health care for millions of seniors and disable folks who need it.

Food stamps don't allow millions of kids to eat who would otherwise be hungry.

Medicaid doesn't allow millions of poor kids to get health care.

The problem with liberal social programs...they work but they don't necessarily raise poor people to affluence but without those programs what we now call poverty would be the abject poverty seen in third world countries....which we did have in this country pre-Great Society.....I saw it first hand.

FOSHAFFER my daughter has a 4.0 average at Florida Atlantic University and works full time. She is a white student who also does not qualify for any scholarships or financial aid other than student loans (she can't even get loans for the summer semester for some stupid reason this year). However she has a very good job and is able to get by with some help from me. I think that ethnicity should never be a consideration for aid, financial need should be combined with the other factors such as grades, activities, etc. I don't think affirmative action is fair any more, there probably was a time when it was a necessary evil but I think that time is over.

Danni - spoken like a true yaller dog.

When my friend's father (a successful Republican businessman) enters stores, he is sometimes followed by an employee, simply for looking the way he looks.
When blacks started moving into nicer houses in Chicago, their white neighbors decided it was time to move away.

I can't completely empathize with blacks, I'll never have a full idea of what it's like. All I know is, if you're white and American, you won the birth lottery.

Men still have it better than women, but I think women are closing fast, though. Seems most of my best classmates and honors students a couple years ago were women. My friend complained that the academic system is rigged against men (maybe because we have shorter attention spans?) Whatever. Too early to make that judgment.

I agree that growing up in a shit neighborhood definitely increases the chances of getting caught up in a bunch of lowlife crap. If all your resources suck, and you've never had a real friend in you life, how will you know that your resources suck and that your friends aren't real?

After spending all of junior high and high school in small town Wisconsin, college totally rocked my world. Lucky I had the family to provide the resources to escape and expand. I hope government college grants aren't in jeopardy?

Great. Federal programs like welfare have CREATED more crime and poverty than anything else, by telling people they no longer have to work. I've talked to people who witnessed the "model city" experiment in socialism in Detroit. They told me of the absolute disaster that it was and how crime shot through the roof as the city imploded. Chalk up another loss for the socialists!

step 1:

teach them to WANT to work and get ahead based upon their merit, not government handouts!

step 2:

see step 1.

Red,

You and I must inhabit parallel universes.

From my standpoint - I see nothing but benefits from being black (or any other color /race...except maybe asian)

20 years ago I was up for a promotion. I did not get it because the company had an "EEO" block.

A business can be sued (successfully) in America if the porportion of black applicants does not meet the porportion of hire....no consideration of skill or talent...just race.

They gave it to a black women who was out of her league. I actually tried to help her as much as I could, but she had been promoted 3 times very quickly and did not have the experience or expertise to handle the job...she lasted about a year before she had a nervous breakdown.

This was specific to me...but I have seen it time and time again. So..better job advancement potential, cheaper education and more opportunities for your kids, lower cost loans, not to mention all the cultural advantages - and a system set up to benefit a person of color...just because they are a person of color.

"I've talked to people who witnessed the "model city" experiment in socialism in Detroit."

Yeah, I'm sure that changes in the auto industry have nothing to do with Detroit's problems.

Conclusion; Poor people should not have children.

Conclusion; Black people should not have children.

Fixed that for ya.

Minorities have the same chances as non-minorities as long as they apply themselves. Put the crackpipe and the 40 down, get an education and get a feaking job. Stop blaming everyone but yourselves. If you want a better life, go out and earn it.

My wife came from an extremely poor family. She worked hard in school and was able to get a 2 year grant from the gov. She worked her ass off in college to graduate in three years with good grades while working full-time all the way through college. She took advantage of the break that was offered to her, but it still took a lot of effort (probably more than I would be willing to give) to cash in on that break.

Good for her Pinkie

Krugman is trying to poison our brains with that stupid report. Poverty, poor school performance, criminal behavior, high unemployment may all be linked variables but not controlling variables. I would hypothesize that low I.Q. could account for all of those social ills.

LOW IQ?????? Maybe in a few people. Or are you saying that blacks have a lower IQ that whites?

Mine is merely a hypothesis. However to answer your question, read the Bell Curve. My argument with the study quoted by Krugman is that they take two linked variables and claim that one controlls the other. It would be like saying a person has blue etes because he has blone hair or vice versa instead of saying he has blue eyes and blonde hair because of his genetic inheritance.

Yeah, I'm sure that changes in the auto industry have nothing to do with Detroit's problems.
Posted by danni


If you love Michael Moore so much why don't you amrry him? ;0)

Wow, nothing new here in this article.

About 10 years back two Harvard professors wrote a book about this very thing and the society social world bashed them.

The professors explained how the corporate empire is now choosing its personel and how this will change our society. Afraid though, it is changing the society alot faster then they thought.

Every great society falls, the upper crust class get so greedy and arrogant they forget it is not about them but the whole.

Ask Rome, we are falling in their footsteps. Greece? Egypt? what kind of society do they live in now. But we still have those ignorant idiots spouting this is a free nation........crap.

FWT,

Mine is merely a hypothesis. However to answer your question, read the Bell Curve

You seemed to know about the book, apparently from your post though I don't think you understood it.

My wife came from an extremely poor family.

So what!!

It is common sense what Krugman is saying and can be easily felt through almost anyone who has had even a small glimpse of living in poverty.

Once one is down in America, America loves to kick em down more, that is the American dream.

Ask Eberly, RIR, Jeff J., sniper, they are all on this thread in name or incognito spouting the faith.

This is not the 1920's - there are not millions of starving Americans

Well, at least yer calendar works.

Very few Americans actually starved to death in the 1920s but there were an awful lot of very hungry people.

Then and now.

Prolly more now.

As Climate Change dramatically affects the planet's ability to feed itself, as pollination fails in state after state, as the price of basic foodstuffs doubles and triples in the not too distant future this can only get worse.

Krugman is right on here. There is no excuse for so much poverty and misery and privation in any country in todays day and age in which case you are a social darwinist, one who believes that this is a neccessary way to winnow out the weak and keep populations down.

Anyone who tries to argue for poverty and against compassion is a walking shitstain and should not consider themselves a Christian or even a sentient being.

Be Well.

I see nothing but benefits from being black

Ya aint from round here, are ya boy?

Ask Eberly, RIR, Jeff J., sniper, they are all on this thread in name or incognito spouting the faith.

Posted by moneywar


excuse me crasswar?

blow it out your ass. I haven't said anything here.


There is no excuse for so much poverty and misery and privation in any country

I don't know about any country but the US shouldn't have the poverty it does.

What should we do about it?

"Anyone who tries to argue for poverty and against compassion is a walking shitstain and should not consider themselves a Christian or even a sentient being.

Be Well."

Posted by dethspud at 2008-02-19 06:16 PM

I'll never argue for poverty, but helping able-bodied persons who won't help themselves is in effect rewarding someone for sitting on their behind. Screw that. This is America. Get off your butt and go to work.

Ask Eberly, RIR, Jeff J., sniper, they are all on this thread in name or incognito spouting the faith.

Posted by moneywar



Moneywar is a Socialist because he thinks that the ignorant masses are too stupid to produce for themselves and the only way he can keep people he likes in power is to pacify the masses with a never-ending handout thus keeping them placated, ignorand AND voting for the Democratic party.


You like that, Crasswar?

You like having a position falsely assigned to you?


I grow very weary of you falsely assinging positions to me in some feeble attempt to knock down strawmen. Over the years I have patiently pointed out the fallacy of your falsely assigned positions, but to no avail. It's as if you need to believe the worst intentions of others in order to prop up your own personal worldview.

Well, I've come to realize that deconstructing your bullshit false attributions isn't working. As the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results, I am now altering my strategy.

Every time you falsely assign a position to me, I am simply going to reply in kind. Perhaps, irriation at having the tables turned coupled with a bit of empathy will illustrate your follies for you. Here's hoping.

It's as if you need to believe the worst intentions of others in order to prop up your own personal worldview.

This is why he has lowered to the ranks of buffalo bob and redneckville. All any of these guys can do is falsely assign positions to others to make an argument.

grow very weary of you falsely assinging positions to me

Sorry Jeff J. but the position has been assigned correctly, you just don't like the make-up of truth being spread across your face.

You continue to spout crap of delusional war on poverty bull shit with ever ignorant belief that helping should be voluntary.

I may have painted you with a broad stroked brush but the paint clearly reflects what is close to home.

"You like having a position falsely assigned to you?"

Most people don't, Jeff. BTW, why do you have portraits of Mussolini and Pinochet hanging in your house?

Sorry Crasswar,

But you are nothing but a control-freak Marxist who can't stomach the thought that free people can make it without lavish entitlements from the government.

You continue to spout your envious class-warfare crap without substantiation in order to make yourself feel superior.


G'Nite - I've gotta run.

This is why he has lowered to the ranks of buffalo bob and redneckville.

LOL!!! From the so very POSITIVE AND BE NICE man """""""""EBERLY"""""""""

Now at least Jeff J. does like to cross words reasonably although he never ever heeds the words spoken from his opposition, it makes good for viewing readers.

why do you have portraits of Mussolini and Pinochet hanging in your house?

Because I thought they looked pretty underneath my signed Hitler picture.


Later!

I HAVE A GREAT IDEA......since a dem will be in the white house for sure....according to most of you....lets get together and have something that will fix this once andfor all.....
lets call it a

WAR ON POVERTY

yeah thats the ticket...and we can throw tons of money at the poor and we can all give all the money in our pocket to those guys on the street because we know they will use it to clean up and get a job and get off the street.

YEAH>....WHO WILL SIGN UP WITH ME IN THE WAR ON POVERTY.......the left can be the ringleaders since the rest of us are just ignorant country rubes who sleep with our cousins and play the banjo....

THIS HAS TO WORK....HEY.....we can do the same thing with drugs......

OKAY DR.....THIS PROBLEM IS SOLVED........someone tell krugman.

and my point of course is that for years and years the left had us in this war and what happened...little if you listen to them
and the republicans FORCED blowjob to get on with thier welfare reform and what happened there....
well????? how many times are there articles here about welfare? very little if at all because one of the major parts of that were work related and not just give them all money so they can have more kids and sit on thier ass.

and yet the left says that the ONLY WAY TO UNITE THE country is to beat the republicans......nonsense.


proof in the pudding......a store close to me on the sam houston beltway has a fast food place attatched to it and there is a BUM who works the corner and the other day he was sitting on the sidewalk begging and about 10 feet away was a sign on the wall of the fast food place.if only I had carried my camera with me.

HELP WANTED......so which one do you think this smelly bum was into...begging me for money of working? no need to answer, we all KNOW the answer.

Well, I say better off to have a few taking advantage of the system than to have a few having to scrape for their lives in order to make sure that the stealers are punished. Why should the innocent suffer? Where are the statistics to prove that those collecting are mostly BUMs? Statistics speak louder to me than shouts, whether librul shouts or repubicunt shouts.

FOSHAFFER my daughter has a 4.0 average at Florida Atlantic University and works full time. She is a white student who also does not qualify for any scholarships or financial aid other than student loans

If your daughter has a 4.0 undergrad GPA, there is absolutely no reason she doesn't have a single scholarship, except for lack of initiative. You should lay the blame on your daughter, and financial aid office/adviser.

since there is some talk on this thread about race it is a little wierd that a commercial just played about black history month concerning arthur ashe and it had several people quoting him.

rascism is not an excuse not to do your best.

very simple yet true words in my humble honky opinion.

"You should lay the blame on your daughter, and financial aid office/adviser."

Why should I "blame" her, and for what???? Being self-reliant, I thought that is what Americans were supposed to be if it was possible. For the record it isn't as if she sits around whining, actually she's wayyyyyy toooooo busy. The girl virtually studies every moment not spent working or going to school. I think most financial aid donors would object to giving someone who makes as much as most college grads a scholarship. My only thoughts about aid was that it should be distributed by financial need not skin color. My daughter's "problem" is that she can't demonstrate financial need.

Why should I "blame" her, and for what???? Being self-reliant, I thought that is what Americans were supposed to be if it was possible...

In other words as parents we failed to plan and save for our daughters education and the blame should be on us?

My son had over a 4.0 average. When I complained to the president of the University of Michigan he had one of his professors call me and tell me that if my son was black he could get a scholarship otherwise forget it. The University of Michigan is also the place where a black person has more cosideration for entrance than someone with 1600 on there SAT.

Minorities have the same chances as non-minorities as long as they apply themselves. Put the crackpipe and the 40 down, get an education and get a feaking job. Stop blaming everyone but yourselves. If you want a better life, go out and earn it.

Posted by 08r4ever

You forgot; pull your pants up, put your cap on like normal people do, and learn to speak good english. I almost forgot, if you want to get a tatoo, get one where your clothes can cover it.

My only thoughts about aid was that it should be distributed by financial need not skin color. My daughter's "problem" is that she can't demonstrate financial need.

I 100% agree that a public school should not give out aid based on skin color. On the other hand, a private organization should be able to do whatever it wants; in fact, when I was in school, I blanketed just about every imaginable scholarship with applications, and wound up with a few thousand dollars for having an Irish background and growing up in a rust belt city.

If you want some free advice... Tell your daughter to go to her school's financial aid office and to tell her officer that she has a 4.0 and is recieving no merit based scholarships. Nearly every school has a long list of "gimme" scholarships that are awarded for GPA and require no formal application. Secondly, her advisor should have a big book of scholarships that do require applications. With a 4.0, she'll have no problem bringing in at least a few thousand.

If the school can't do this for her, I'd suggest transfering. With a 4.0 transfer GPA, there will be plenty of schools out there with much, much better funding packages. If this is out of the question, she should have no problem getting a full ride in grad school :-)

Lastly, if your daughter is 100% self sufficient, she should apply as an independent student (I know it's an involved process but it's worth it), so your income won't be held against her on the FAFSA.

Personally, I am very dubious about Affirmative Action; though, if anything I think it hurts medicore-to-average white students, and doesn't necessarily impact the high achievers.

Poverty in Baltimore. ROFL. There are new housing developments going up all over the place where people in "poverty" are getting new townhouses nicer than the one I have to pay for, on my taxes, to buy votes.

They are also getting shipped out to the county to live in houses nicer than mine.

I feel so so sorry for them every time I drive to work and fight traffic while they are watching springer and taking it easy on the couch, while they get fatter.

The problem is they don't want to work because it means they have to give all that up and live in a hole like the rest of the working people.

The poor have it easy it's the middle class getting raped.

-Viz

The problem is they don't want to work because it means they have to give all that up and live in a hole like the rest of the working people.

I was using the recycling machines outside a store once and overheard a conversation between the store security guard and a homeless person that regularly frequented the place. The security guard said that he wanted to help the guy get on his feet and get a job. The homeless man replied, "Why would I want to do that? I have everything I need and I can go where I want and do what I want. I am free".

Certainly a lot of truth in that and I am quite sure that a large percentage of homeless people are of that belief, mentally ill, or drug addicts. Social welfare programs cannot begin to help these people. For starters, many of them do not want help, others wouldn't know what to do with it, and most of them don't have an address which is required to get welfare in the first place..

For starters, many of them do not want help, others wouldn't know what to do with it, and most of them don't have an address which is required to get welfare in the first place..

Posted by jsprague at 2008-02-20 11:26 AM


Sixty percent of those who qualify don't even apply for Medicare and or SCHIP. One would have to think they are included in this ridiculous study. The article states we should be ashamed. They are right. I am ashamed of these lazy, selfish SOBs who allow their children to grow up in poverty.

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