i can't wait until we balkanize.

I don't think we should rush over to recognize Kosovo as a country.

How would you like it if one of our States decided to secede and foreigners decided to back their decision?

Didn't the Brits try to help the Confederacy during the Civil War?

This is just a rogue province wanting to break away, that's all. We don't need to involve ourselves in yet another foreign civil war.

You Liberals do remember that Bubba got us into Kosovo, right? It isn't just Bush who gets us involved in conflicts where we have no business being in.

What does Obama think about Darfur? Will we send troops there if he becomes president?

Kosovo was a NATO War please do try again Member.

Larry Mohr

"Kosovo was a NATO War please do try again Member."

1. The US is in NATO and the US sent resources as part of that alliance to that conflict.
2. The US is probably the leading member of the alliance.
3. I am confused, is Afghanistan a NATO war or a US war?
4. I am one of those who says we should pull out, not only out of the UN, but also NATO. Remember that guy George Washington and that "no entangling alliances" stuff?

"Remember that guy George Washington and that "no entangling alliances" stuff?"

Yeah, he refused French assistance in the Revolutionary War....not.

BTW, how many American troops were killed in the Kosovo thing???? Hmmmmmm?????

Much ado about nothing....because it is the only conflict righties can point to and say.....Clinton did it too!!!!

because it is the only conflict righties can point to and say.....Clinton did it too!!!!


Danni, Danni, Danni.



You silly, silly girl.

It's ALL Clinton's fault!



PS - Ny sarcasm is about to turn the other way - so brace yourself against comments regarding your mullet.

Alas, I've gotta sign off. Hopefully 101 can comment on your mullet.

'later!

"Yeah, he refused French assistance in the Revolutionary War....not."

What France does or did in the past is their business.

It should tell you something about Washington that even though the French helped win the war, he did not feel obliged to be in bed with them.

"BTW, how many American troops were killed in the Kosovo thing???? Hmmmmmm?????"

The standard for judging conflicts is not how many troops die, but wheter it is in our national interest to be in them. Kosovo was not our problem, we were never attacked by them and so there was no reason to go poke our nose where it don't belong.

If we were ever engaged in a war in chiwh our national interests were at stake, then the number of troops dying, although tragic, would not be relevant because our survival would be in question anyways.

The French did help up win the Revolutionary war.. A few years later though we almost fought the French.. check it out.

ah yes and now we read where this was different even though there wasnt even a congressional approal of force in this case.
and do you think maybe the people in this country are a little more modern than in the middle east and maybe their past has something to do with it not being just as iraq or the middle east. might have something to do with it.
but of course we bring up blowjobs move into this country. he did it all on his own with no un and no declaration of war.......things the left still jumps on about iraq.....

things the left still jumps on about iraq.....

Posted by bushlovertwo at 2008-02-18 11:01 AM

But I thought ALL wars were for oil or profit. Since when does ethnic cleansing come into play?

So the US should just be able to renege on its alliances and treaties (NATO, UN), even though the Constitution says that Treaties that have been ratified by the Senate are the "law of the land". Doesn't that mean we can't be relied to honor our agreements? Why should anyone then take anything say seriously? Do you feel the same way about contracts in general?

relied upon

"Kosovo was not our problem, we were never attacked by them and so there was no reason to go poke our nose where it don't belong."

When did Grenada attack us?
When did Nicaragua attack us?
When did Vietnam attack us?
When did North Korea attack us?
And of course....when did Iraq attack us???
BTw, has Iran attacked us yet???

Seems hilarious to me that those who criticize our honoring our NATO treaty in Kosovo yet whine when our allies balk at sending even more of their troops to Afghanistan or Iraq. Apparently treaties should be one way agreements benefiting the US but not our allies.

Clearly, the Right, regardless of what they might say, only believe in the principle of "might makes right". They are totally amoral when it comes to foreign policy and any domestic policy designed to help people. They want on the one hand, to assert that this is a "Christian Nation", but at the same time totally disparage Christian beliefs, e.g., "love thy enemy", "turn the other cheek", taking care of the "least of these", "judge not". It's an un-evolved caveman point of view that only our "tribe" matters and we can treat the "other" any way we need to to meet our own needs.

Their concept of "morality" consists only of the power to tell others how to live their lives according to a narrow set of rules written for nomads living in an ancient desert. I don't believe for a minute that any of the politicians supporting these rules actually believe in Christianity or anything else other than obtaining and keeping power over others. Notice that they make no statement about the morality of the way corporations in this country treat people, communities, and the environment. Hypocrisy, pure and simple.

You people need to learn history. Tito (croatian) tied together a group of people Croat/Serb/Bosnian/
Albanian(Kosovo) who basically hate each other although they are pretty much the same. He did it by force. Language almost the same except Serbs use cyrillic for alphabet. But they differ by religion Catholic/ Serbian Orthodox and Islamic. And the Albanians have absolutely zero connection to the middle east and the sunni and shites there.

The Serbs basically raped, pillaged and mass executed the Albanian muslims living in Kosovo. The Serbs also tried to destroy special places for Croatians like Dubrovnik, Rastoke falls and mined the Plitvice national park. School kids were still being blown up by land mines a few years ago. Serbs also dumped a shit load of drugs, mostly heroin into Croatia during the war at low prices to get the Croatian youth addicted.

The last time Kosovo was "in" Serbian hands was something like 500 years ago. The Ottoman empire controlled the place for hundreds of years.

After Tito died Serbia "claimed" ownership of Kosovo due to being there 500 years before. Sound a bit like Israel? They also "claimed" ownership of Croatia and Slovenia and went to war to keep them from breaking away.

Serbians simply wanted to control the former Yugoslavia but had no rights to do so.

It's all about money.

They are totally amoral when it comes to foreign policy and any domestic policy designed to help people. They want on the one hand, to assert that this is a "Christian Nation", but at the same time totally disparage Christian beliefs, e.g., "love thy enemy", "turn the other cheek", taking care of the "least of these"

I am sure Japan and Germany and Korea may feel you are full of shit. Why don't you say despite the 'right' trillions of dollars has been sent to our friends and enemies abroad as well as those here.

By all means echo the poster above you. Ignore the reality of facts behind her baseless ignorant posts.

"So the US should just be able to renege on its alliances and treaties (NATO, UN), even though the Constitution says that Treaties that............"

I believe that all treaties come with clauses that allow for countries to pull out with proper notice. Whter it's the UN, NATO, or NAFTA and GATT, treaties some Liberals want to pull ouf of, there is a mechanism to leave.

"When did Grenada attack us?
When did Nicaragua attack us?
When did Vietnam attack us?................."

I agree. I am not a Republican defending Republican adventures more than I would defend Democrat adventures.

I believe in non-interventionism, just minding our own business.

"When did Grenada attack us?
When did Nicaragua attack us?
When did Vietnam attack us?................."


The old Rip Van Winkle debate. Stay asleep for 20-30 years and wonder why we committed to military action. Reminds me of the 90's and the realities of today.

"treaties some Liberals want to pull ouf of,"

er....I think it is the righties who complain about Clinton bombing in Kosovo as part of NATO. It is also the righties who complain about US participation in UN actions. Unilateral invasions of countries (countries with oil coincidentally wink wink) that never attacked us though are ok.

Which comes back to the same thing it always does: American Exceptionalism. One set of rules for us (which we can change any time they become inconvenient) and another set of rules for everybody else (which we make, and can change any time they become inconvenient). Kind of like an abusive husband/spouse/partner. Bullies are bullies.

Danni and Larry,
Haiti, Somalia, Kosovo, Bosnia

Clinton was not exactly a peace-nic

Bush and Iraq suck but dont claim moral superiority with Clinton. I know non of the above = Iraq but you must admit we probably should not have been in any of those conflicts either. Iraq is wrong as were those conflicts

Clinton aslo sent a few missles into Iraq.

Here is my point. The right was appalled when Clinton used the Military and was up his ass about it all the time. The left is doing the same thing with Bush.

Partisians just root for the "team" and could give a shit about anything else.

Not that this is a reference to any of you guys.

Both Kosovo and Bosnia were NATO Missions. Somalia was started December 04 1992 under Bush 41 Clinton inherited THAT mess. Correct Me if I am wrong but wasn't Haiti an UN Peacekeeping mission??

Larry Mohr

I am all for the Kosavars, they should be free and able to run their own country. This could be one of those slippery slope things. Where do you draw the line? What if Iraq wants to split into three countries? What are the rules for when it is a good thing and when it is a bad thing? Is it, when it kicks sand in Russia's eyes it is a good thing and when it kicks the sand in our eyes it is a bad thing? Really the same can be said about "democracy".

PRISTINA (Reuters) - NATO peacekeepers in newly independent Kosovo intervened on Tuesday as Serb mobs opposed to its secession attacked border posts and police fled.

Serbs burned down one border post and were attacking a second, a Kosovo police spokesman said. Police manning the post called for help from the NATO peacekeeping force, KFOR, which said it was stepping in.

It looks like things are going to get really ugly here.