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"Thirty-four of the 43 superdelegates who received more money from Obama, or 79 percent, are backing him. In every case the Center found in which superdelegates received money from one candidate but not the other, the superdelegate is backing the candidate who gave them money."

Now we know where "hope" comes into Obama's campaign.

"Here's some cash, "hope" you vote for me!"

"A form of campaign payola has been noticed by a Washington, D.C. think-tank. According to the Center for Responsive Politics (CRP), the campaigns of Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton have pumped $890,000 into the campaign coffers of elected delegates who have a duel-roll as Democratic elected officials.

The "Hope Fund" an Obama political action committee (PAC), has paid more than $694,000 to Democratic "super-delegates." As of this week, of the 81elected officials who are "super-delegates" supporting Obama, 40 percent had received cash contributions. 52 of his super-delegate members are not currently serving elected officials and therefore don't have a current campaign committee into which they can legally deposit checks.

While none of this is technically illegal, it doesn't mean it's ethical either.
The Clinton camp is also playing the payola scam. HILLPAC, Clinton's PAC, and her campaign committee have paid $195,500 to super-delegates. 12 percent of the 109 super-delegates who have said they will support her have received campaign cash.

CRP quotes University of Virgina political science professor Larry Sabato saying:

'Only the limits of human creativity could restrict the ways in which Obama and Clinton will try to be helpful to super-delegates. My guess is that if the nomination actually depends on super-delegates, the unwritten rule may be, 'ask and ye shall receive.'

So much for hopefully discarding the 'old politics'; the audacity of corruption continues its hold."

news.aol.com

Of course what this article fails to mention, that several others on the same topic did include is that most of those donations were prior to the 2004 and 2006 elections when Obama had a surplus in his Senate election fund. He chose to use some of it to help other Dem's election/reelection bids.

I assume Hillary was doing the same thing, only with a tighter fist.

Like so many others in the series of misleading articles you have posted over the past several days, the whole story is not being told Corky.

Using a term like "as of today's date" makes it sound like money has been going to these super delegates recently, doesn't it? But that isn't the case. Most of the contributions were prior to '06. I know you know it too Corky. Shame on you.

Since I believe he can save America he should win by any means necessary.


"In every case the Center found in which superdelegates received money from one candidate but not the other, the superdelegate is backing the candidate who gave them money."

That Obama has been giving them money for a couple of years, ever since he knew he was running for President, doesn't negate the facts of what happens when they are given money.

Shame on you for defending his old school politics, lmao!

Top reasons why Corky really ought to be ashamed of himself this week.

1. Posting and defending a McCain talking points article accusing Obama of plagiarizing Clinton's economic plan and promoting green jobs, and giving her credit for authoring legislation on creating an infrastructure bank.

TRUTH - Obama released his economic plan, including promotion of green jobs a month before Clinton released hers. Plus Clinton did not author the infrastructure bank legislation but merely signed on as a co-sponsor to a bill written by Dodd & Hagel.

2. Accusing Obama of being a creature controlled by the Daley political machine.

TRUTH - The Daley maching opposed Obama in his Senate Primary run and supported his opponent.

3. Attempting to offer as proof that #2 was true, saying that David Axlerod epitomized the Daley machine and its evils.

TRUTH - David Axlerod DID work for Daley. He also worked for both Hillary and Bill Clinton. In fact, he was the one who came up with the "bridge to the 21st century" line.

4. Praising an article and a thread (and thus perpetuating the fear-mongering) making false accusations such as that Obama's staff is loaded with members of the Nation of Islam and that Obama adheres to Louis Farrakhan's anti-semitic views.

TRUTH - No verification anywhere other than in this article of any NoI staff members working for Obama. Additionally, Obama has repudiated Farrakhan on several occasions and stated unequivocally his support of Israel and opposition to NoI positions.



Top Reasons Why SA is Deflecting from the Topic of this Thread.

Truth Hurts.

(Your deflections are nonsense, particularly #4. I have no idea to what you refer. Start a thread, as this is just a desperate attempt to change the subject of this thread.)


And where does the money Obama uses to buy Superdelegates come from?

opensecrets.org

"Top Reasons Why SA is Deflecting from the Topic of this Thread."

No deflection Corky. In fact, accusing me of deflecting is actually MORE of a deflection. How's that?

I commented directly on the article. And no need to start another thread, I was just pointing out how this is just another in a series of attack articles you have posted lately containing myriad half-truths, innuendos, and outright falsehoods.

"Your deflections are nonsense, particularly #4. I have no idea to what you refer."

Oh, I think you do.

www.drudge.com


You may not like the Philadelphia Bulletin newspaper expressing their right to freedom of the press, but please try to keep your hogwash on that thread, not this one.

-containing myriad half-truths, innuendos, and outright falsehoods.

You have yet to point out anything of the kind.

"That Obama has been giving them money for a couple of years, ever since he knew he was running for President, doesn't negate the facts of what happens when they are given money."

Is the perfectly good retort to your only whine so far.

Do try again.

Ignorance of the Right & HRC Supporters

www.drudge.com

Since the shoe fits, stuff Corky into it!

"You have yet to point out anything of the kind."

Oh yes Corky, I have, both here and on other threads. But somehow every time I or someone else does so you conveniently disappear and never respond.


Deflections, deflection, deflections.

It is always SO obvious when the truth really hurts SO much that all we get are deflections instead of retorts to the thread topic.

It's f'ing hilarious, really.


A sad degeneration from reasonably informed and convivial poster to partisan hack to dishonest hatchet man Corky.

You SHOULD be ashamed of what you've been doing, but no one here really believes you're capable of that emotion any more.

"It is always SO obvious when the truth really hurts SO much that all we get are deflections..."

Whatever helps you sleep at night man.


Sorry, I meant pitiful personal attacks AND deflections instead of substantive arguments about the topic of the thread.

Oh wait, did I just expect substance from Obamites?

Silly me.

The politics of "change" - my ass. Same old shit, just done by some one who gives better speeches.

"Obama Buying Superdelegates"



Least he hasn't killed anyone yet.


Of course, this isn't the first time Obama has been caught with his hand in the HOPE Fund cookie jar, handing out cookies to potential supporters.

HRC, and even Mitt Romney, closed their PACs before Iowa and NH so as not to even give the appearance of breaking FEC rules, Not Obama.

"Obama's Hopefund Inc. distributed more than $180,000 in donations to political groups and candidates in the early presidential voting states of Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina and more than $150,000 to federal candidates in other states with primary dates through mid-February. The donations accounted for nearly three-quarters of the money the PAC has given out since this summer."

"I think this is something the commission should look at. If the money was, in fact, used to help the campaign, was requested by the campaign and coordinated with the campaign, then it could be considered an in-kind contribution," Lawrence Noble, the FEC's retired chief counsel, said.

Former FEC chairman Scott E. Thomas, a Democrat who served on the commission when the 2003 rule was approved, said the FEC at the time was focused more on how to keep PACs from subsidizing presidential campaigns by picking up the costs of polling, salary and other goods and services.

"He is clearly pushing the envelope, no doubt," Thomas said. "I would clearly recommend the commission take another look at this to see if there is some reasonable line that can be drawn so presidential campaigns aren't directing donations from the PAC a few months before the primaries."

www.washingtonpost.com

Old school politics from the candidate of the new politics of hype.

And Corky still is for the Hillary/Obama ticket.

Strange bedfellows - (like Hillary and Obama, though I'd still be happy with an Obama/Hillary ticket so long as Bill is sent far away to China if not outer space)

HILLARY CLINTON'S GREATEST HITS

In the late 1970s, the Clintons and McDougals buy land in the Ozarks with mostly borrowed funds. The Clintons get 50% interest with no cash down. The plot, known as Whitewater, is fifty miles from the nearest grocery store. The Washington Post will report later that some purchasers of lots, many of them retirees, "put up houses or cabins, others slept in vans or tents, hoping to be able to live off the land." HRC writes Jim McDougal, "If Reagonomics works at all, Whitewater could become the Western Hemisphere's Mecca." More than half of the purchasers will lose their plots thanks to the sleazy form of financing used.

The McDougals will be among a number of close HRC's friends and business associates who will end up in jail. Others include her law partner Webster Hubbell and financial middle man David Hale.

Two months after commencing the Whitewater scam, Hillary Clinton invests $1,000 in cattle futures. Within a few days she has a $5,000 profit. Before bailing out she earns nearly $100,000 on her investment. Many years later, several economists will calculate that the chances of earning such returns legally were one in 250 million.

Hillary Clinton makes a $44,000 profit on a $2,000 investment in a cellular phone franchise deal that involves taking advantage of the FCC's preference for locals, minorities and women. The franchise is almost immediately flipped to the cellular giant, McCaw.

Jim McDougal tries to prevent state agencies from shutting down his S&L, which has been providing cash for the Whitewater operation. According to the Washington Times, Ms. Clinton is put on a $2000 a month retainer by the S&L. Ms. Clinton will later claim not to have received any retainer nor to have been deeply involved with Madison.

During the 1992 campaign, Hillary Clinton defends her role in the Madison Guarantee S&L scandal by saying, "I suppose I could have stayed home and baked cookies and had teas. But what I decided to do was pursue my profession, which I entered before my husband was in public life." Forgotten, however, is what inspired this homily: accusations that Ms. Clinton had represented Whitewater business partner Jim McDougal's S&L before her husband's government. Here's what the New York Times reported on March 17, 1992: "Hillary Clinton said today that she did not earn 'a penny' from state business conducted by her Little Rock law firm and that she never intervened with state regulators on behalf of a failed Arkansas savings and loan association. . . "

Records will show that she did, in fact, represent Madison before the state securities department. After the revelation, she says, "For goodness sakes, you can't be a lawyer if you don't represent banks."

Susan McDougal recalls Ms. Clinton coming in and drumming up the business. Ms. McDougal tells the Washington Post: "The problem was finances, her finances." The Washington Times quotes an unnamed Clinton business associate who claims the governor used to "jog over to McDougal's office about once a month to pick up the [retainer] check for his wife." Jim McDougal's version of the story, according to the LA Times, is that Clinton asked him to throw some legal work his wife's way to help the Clintons out of a financial crunch: "I hired Hillary because Bill came in whimpering that they needed help."

Hillary Clinton writes Jim McDougal enclosing a power of attorney for him to sign "authorizing me to act on your behalf with respect to matters concerning Whitewater Development Corporation." Another power of attorney is enclosed for Susan McDougal. The power of attorney includes the right to endorse, sign and execute "checks, notes, deeds, agreements, certificates, receipts or any other instruments in writing of all matters related to Whitewater Development Corporation." This letter, uncovered in 1993 by Jerry Seper of the Washington Times, directly contradicts the claim of the Clintons that they were "passive shareholders" in Whitewater.

From a 1996 Chicago Tribune editorial: "The legal issues will sort themselves out in time. But one thing has become all too clear. Bill and Hillary Clinton and their aides have made a concerted effort to deceive official investigators and the American public with half truths and outright lies . . . It's not clear what the Clintons want to conceal, but it's clear that they have made extraordinary efforts to do so."

The American Spectator reports in 1996 that on her Asian tour, Hillary Clinton told New Zealand television that she had been named after Sir Edmund Hillary. Sir Edmund, however, was an unknown beekeeper the year of Mrs. Clinton's birth.

The Spectator also reports that HRC served on the board of a corporation about which serious questions have been raised concerning its role in the pre-Gulf War arms pipeline to Iraq.

A drug dealer donates $20,000 to the DNC, attends a Christmas reception hosted by Hillary Clinton, has his photo taken with the Clintons and Al Gore and then -- three weeks later -- is arrested for smuggling 6,000 pounds of cocaine into the United States. It should have come as no surprise to anyone involved. After all, Jorge Cabrera had already served two prison sentences -- one for trying to bribe a grand jury witness and the other for filing a false income tax return. Later he will be back in the news when a businessman pleads guilty to laundering $3.5 million for Cabrera between 1986 and 1996.

"I see the White House is like a subway -- you have to put in coins to open the gates." -- Clinton contributor Johnny Chung talking about the $50,000 he gave Hillary Clinton's top aide while seeking VIP treatment at the White House.

Spilling some of the beans on her "close friend" Ron Brown, Nolanda Hill tells Prime Time Live that Brown used drugs while Commerce Secretary and considered taking a big payoff from Vietnam to get trade restrictions lifted but dropped the idea when he got a tip that FBI was on the case. Hill also says that Brown thought it was Hillary who placed John Huang in a Commerce Department job. Huang left the Lippo Group -- with a golden parachute of around $800,000 -- to work for Commerce. Brown orders a top secret clearance for Huang. While at Commerce, Huang visits the White House about 70 times, is briefed 37 times by the CIA, views about 500 intelligence reports, and makes 281 calls to Lippo banks.

A federal judge issues a fine for a quarter million dollars because, "The Executive Branch of the government, working in tandem, was dishonest with this court." At issue is the composition of Hillary Clinton's health task force, a body stacked with those from the medical industry who would gain most from its faux reforms.

Number of times Hillary Clinton says "I don't recall" or its equivalent in a statement to a House investigating committee: 50. Number of paragraphs in this statement: 42

Starr decides not to pursue the FBI file matter after an investigation that included a nine-minute interview with HRC over tea and coffee. FBI Director Louis Freeh calls the handling of the FBI tapes an "egregious violation of privacy . . . without justification."

"Mr. Starr also botched the investigation into the White House's illicit use of confidential FBI files on 900 Republican opponents. He used FBI agents to probe misconduct involving the FBI itself. Needless to say, they came up empty handed. A civil suit on behalf of the victims has since uncovered evidence that the purloined files were part of a campaign of political espionage ordered by Hillary Clinton herself. The dirt in the files, including raw data on congressional leaders, was fed into computers.

Presumably it was later used for blackmail, or fed to media surrogates for the systematic smearing of Republicans." -- Ambrose Evans-Pritchard, London Telegraph.

After quitting the Justice Department and before going to jail, Hubbell is a busy man. He meets with Hillary Clinton, and follows up by getting together with major scandal figures John Huang, James Riady, and Ng Lapseng. Riady and Huang go to the White House every day from June 21 to June 25, 1994 according to White House records. Hubbell has breakfast and lunch with Riady on June 23. Four days later -- and one week after Hubbell's meeting with Hillary -- the Hong Kong Chinese Bank, jointly owned by Lippo and the Chinese intelligence services, send $100,000 to Hubbell.

"Through discovery in its civil lawsuit against the Clinton Commerce Department, Judicial Watch also has found evidence that President Clinton condoned and participated in a scheme, conceived by First Lady Hillary Rodham Clinton and approved by the President, to sell seats on U.S. Department of Commerce trade missions in exchange for political contributions. ~~~ In addition to the illegal sale of taxpayer financed services, such as seats on trade missions, for political contributions, the President and Mrs. Clinton have illegally solicited and received monies directly from private citizens and others. The creation and use of legal defense funds is not only prohibited under federal law, but they have proved to be a means whereby lobbyists, influence peddlers and foreign powers have tried to influence the Administration, contrary to U.S. national security interests. In sum, Judicial Watch has uncovered a pattern of conduct by this President and his agents that indicates he has run, in effect, a criminal enterprise from the White House to obtain and maintain hold on the Office of the President of the United States. Indeed, he is likely in violation of the Racketeering Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act (RICO). " -- Judicial Watch

www.uhuh.com


Did I mention spamming the thread as a deflection?

Again, F'ing hilarious that one of our Obamites has to reach back for an old handle to spam the thread under.

I guess the point must be that Obama is no worse than Clinton, seemingly giving up on Obama being somehow different than old school politicos.

I'll take it as an admission of guilty as charged.



No wonder the Queen of Hiss claims she knows how to beat the Repubs--Oh the memories of deception and corruption and she was in the center of it all--the Queen herself!

She was collecting stuff to be used for blackmail--Wonder if the stuff is in someone's laptop still?

As for Obama--he is no angel--he had his staffers go the clerks office to count the illegal signatures for the Mother of Civil Rights --Alice Parker (?) and got her disqualified so he could win.

They are two peas in the same pod.

And they are eating each other up with the corrupted system of Super Delegates--can't wait to see how this unfolds--I am sure we won't be dissappointed.


Murphy

Ahh, the little cretin speaks from the depths of hell. Who sent you there fool? Your false god that you worship so blindly shall hasten your own end for your soul already is full of hatred and bile that spills over with each utterance released from your bowels.

The world is full of those like yourself, and I have to remove them, one by one, and take them where they can no longer posion the goodwill of honest people while espousing the corruption and dishonesty choking the life from this republic. Know that your words mean little when the light of truth reveals them for the vileness they exhibit. Man should not pit one against another as you do. Such is the work of those down under, who toil in the misery of their fears and anxieties, burning both within and without. Don't make your soul join them, for I will surely carry out my duty when the time comes.

So Sayeth the Reaper

Corky--BTW--

Billary is up to their eyeballs in buying Super Ds--and they are pimping out their daughter Chelsea to contact the really young ones who happen to be male.


There is no shame when it comes to gaining the power of the POTUS. The Clintons are masters and Obama--well--he has to do it the hard way--like win with voters.

I really hope--like any hope-monger would hope for--is that Billary lose TX--of it's so close 51-49--that Obama makes this his win.

Billary is in real trouble here--not out--but in real deep and may not be able to crawl out.

And she can Thank Bill for his stellar contribution of "fantasy" talk and such that turned the black voting block in the Dem party against her.

And now she is down to a sliver of latinos and women over 50 earning less than 50k a year.

Quite the little campaigner that Bill is indeed.

Oh and let's thank the media--because without them--none of this extreme politics would be viewed 24/7.

Murphy

"Shocked I'm shocked I tell you to discover that gambling has been going on here!"

Seriously, Corky this is the best you can come up with by this point?

Put a fork in the Shrill one, she's done like dinner. Since firing her Mexican American anchor baby campaign manager she's had to stop her en espagnol robo-calling campaign toutin' herself as being the preferred candidate fer hispanics.

Her numbers fall and Obama's continue to rise. This "buying of superdelegates" is such a non issue. Pols use extra campaign funds to help other pols? In other news the sky is still blue and grass continues to remain green.

Bill called Richardson the other day and tried to get his superdelegate vote for Hill and Richardson refused. Bubba allewgedky was not pleased to recieve this information. "Wasn't two ccabinet posts enuff?" asked the angry Bubba.

Apparently not. By hook or by crook Hillary is determined to fulfill her self percieved inevitability using every page outta Karl Rove's playbook she can find. It's not working.

While there is stilla large nummber of women with wot I've taken to calling "vaginavision" (kinda like tunnelvision with a touch of pink eye) who will vote fer Hillary purely because she's a woman even those numbers are falling.

ClintCo, the more you learn the more you loathe.

Obamanator 08er, the more you learn the more you luff.

Just, That, Simple.

Turn the page.

08ama '08.

Be Well.


Hi Spudley!

At least you win for the post with the most deflections, if not for the one that adresses the topic, ie; Obama's old school politics.

Hope you are not still trying to stop smoking, lol!

-wot I've taken to calling "vaginavision" (kinda like tunnelvision with a touch of pink eye) who will vote fer Hillary purely because she's a woman even those numbers are falling.

What do you call 80 percent of blacks voting for Obama? A black eye?

See ya in Ohio, TX, and Penn. (see CA, MA, and TN)


Hey Grim!

Nice necklace, dude, er, dudette, er.... whatever.

www.monkeybone.com

Oh Shit! Corky's got the Reaper and the Deathspud agitated at him! I'm keeping my distance. Late....

Just watched a speech now by Obama. Never really listened to him before. I have to say he touched on a lot of things important to me -- fixing our rotting highways, bridges and infrastructures -- something Hillary never talks about, he wants to get rid of NAFTA -- Clinton is all for it -- her husband signed the treaty and she never said a word against it until now.

Obama talked about how he worked to help people thrown out of their jobs by outsourcing and layoffs thanks to the Bush anti-American free trade policies and I know for a FACT that Hillary is neck deep in having caused thousands of U.S. IT workers their jobs as she works hand in hand with a big Indian recruiting corporation that brings in workers from India via H1 visas to undercut U.S workers here on our own soil.

Obama also said that Clinton voted for Bush's corrupt new bankruptcy law that no longer allowed people to declare bankruptcy for major castrophic medical bills. Many have lost their homes and everything they owned because their family was hit with a major illness, they were uninsured, but could no longer write it off in bankruptcy court. That was one of the most evil pieces of legislation (among many) that GWB pushed thru and Hillary Clinton voted for it.


By their votes, ye shall know them.
I KNOW what I'll be getting with McCain = more of Bush
I KNOW what I'll be getting with Hillary = more of Bush

He's too liberal for me in a lot of ways, but with only the other two choices to vote for, I'll vote Obama in '08. Obama appears to be the only one who seems to actually care about the people of this county more than the corporations of this country. Can't say the same about McCain or Hillary -- both dedicated globalists.

-I'm keeping my distance.

Translation: I have so far been unable to find a cut 'n paste defending Obama's old school politics. I will return to post one when I do.


btw, Spuds and I are friends, and if it looks like he's getting to be a hot potato, I'll back off rather than lose a friend over this political race.

Grim is troll, and a disturbiingly unattractive one at that.

Clinton/Obama '08!
"16 Years is Better Than 8"(TM)

My sense of all this is that a substantial and growing majority would like to ease the Clintons out of this race with as much grace as possible... animus towards Bill and Hillary does not transfer to their supporters.

-a substantial and growing majority

If you mean the high income Limousine Liberals, the young, and the black, you may be correct in that they want HRC to quit.

But if the Dem Party nominee doesn't represent the middle-class and the poor, as Sen Clinton does in every contest so far, including the Potomac races where high income skewed the other demographics, who in the fall will represent the majority of the Dem base?

Obama is already spoken for.

Well, it's nice to know that for all Obama's hymn-a-singin' and stumpin' about change, he's keeping some things the same.

Hey there Mr. Potato!

Welcome back. ;o)


Hey Corky--Billary was counting on taking VA in the Potomac and she lost there too.

Obama has like 25 states to Hillary's 9--(?)

They won't go on the ticket together--there is no room for 3 Presidents in the WH.

Murphy

...Never really listened to him before.

CaliChris...

This is a problem with most of those who are Obama detractors. They let the media or others tell them that he has no substance, while those of us that have listened to him and checked out his policy stances and the way he approaches almost every subject find a man of honor that has respect for even those who oppose his views.

He is overtly candid and honest to a fault. Yes, he's a politician, but he speaks to the better side of humanity, the side seeking to move forward together, not draw lines in the sand while remaining vehemently apart. He is a man EVERYONE can be proud to call OUR President. He doesn't belong to special interests or corporations. He represents us and expects us to keep him on the straight and narrow with our vigilance.

America would like to rejoin the world at the table of nations nor committed to continual warfare and destruction. Obama fills a need we've gone far too long without: someone who represents this nation in a light that shows all thats good about America instead of the ugliness that fear has cast over our current leaders, the majority of it self-induced.

Hi Spudley!

Howdy, Corky!

At least you win for the post with the most deflections, if not for the one that adresses the topic, ie; Obama's old school politics.

Ya wanna know wot Karl Rove's favorite campaigning tactic is/was? Karl used to love taking an opponents strengths and making them into weaknesses. Hence the swiftboating of John Kerry. He turned a decorated vet who served voluntary duty in 'Nam into a liability while he positioned his AWOL, drunken, coke fiend, cum guzzling, frat boy as being a better CiC. Basically, the DNC sunk themselves by not fighting back when the corporate MSM gave populist candidate Howard Dean his Dean Scream moment in order to back the more corporate friendly Party candidate John Kerry. The reason Spud brings all this up is because, in a sense, it's deja vu all over again. By that Spud means that this election cycle has Obama the populist and Hillary the corporate friendly Party backed candidate fighting it out and the DNC will again shoot themselves in the foot if they throw off the populist in order to promote the corporate whore Hillary. Hillary's campaign, while I'm on the subject, is trying to make Obama look like just another creature of the status quo and, as you say, "old school" politics when the truth is that Hillary represent the status quo and dirty politics while Obama fights a hard but clean campaign.

What do you call 80 percent of blacks voting for Obama? A black eye?

Nope, Spud sez Good eye, there.

Barack is not positioning himself as "The Black Candidate" the way Hillary is always going on and on about about the History making potential of being the "First Woman" candidate. Basically, it's one of the few positive notes she can still sound.

In the main her anti-Obama message breaks down to "He's too inexperiences" which is patently untrue. In point of fact Obama has had more legislative experience than Hillary in Illiniois and in DC. Hillary's much vaunted experience boils down to achieving EPIC FAIL on National Healthcare while First Lady and time spent in the US Senate mostly voting on changing the names of various post offices around the country. Obama's legislative record shows a clear concern for increased transparency and accountability in govenment. Hillary's record on those same issues? Not so much, to be polite.

Glad we had this little chat.

Will we chat again on this and related issues?

Yes, we can.

08ama '08. Turn the page.

Be Well.

/Gots no troubles with the idea of a woman POTUS.
//Just not THIS woman.

Hey there Mr. Potato!

Welcome back. ;o)


Hey, is "sleeping single in a Murphy bed"!

Howdy Murph!

They won't go on the ticket together--there is no room for 3 Presidents in the WH.

THIS!

You are correct, ma'am.

Read an article this morning on this so-called "Dream Ticket".

Donna Brazile called shenanigans on the plan. She sed, basically, wot you've noted and she and you are both right.

Off fer eats and treats. Back in a bit.

Hope you and yers are doing fine and dandy.

Be Well.

Posted by dethspud at 2008-02-16 04:04 PM ... "and time (Clinton) spent in the US Senate mostly voting on changing the names of various post offices around the country. Obama's legislative record shows a clear concern for increased transparency and accountability in govenment. Hillary's record on those same issues? Not so much, to be polite."

Read a lot of post that use this talking point, HC and BO should get credit for what they have done in the US Senate ... For the record

HC 2001-present sponsored 354 bills,co-sponsored 1723 bills Missed 152 out of 2406 votes (6%)
Missed voted compared to votes taken this year
2007-Q1 126 3 2.4%
2007-Q2 112 20 17.9%
2007-Q3 119 67 56.3%
2007-Q4 85 76 89.4%
2008-Q1 12 8 66.7%

BO 2005-present sponsored 129 bills ... co-sponsored 545 bills
Missed 185 out of 1098 votes (17.8%)
Missed voted compared to votes taken this year
2007-Q1 126 3 2.4%
2007-Q2 112 20 17.9%
2007-Q3 119 67 56.3%
2007-Q4 85 76 89.4%
2008-Q1 12 8 66.7%

DSP I checked the bills each sponsored, they both have the constituent feel good bills. Her sponsorship has a lot more substance than you give credit for.

Some of Clinton's most recently sponsored bills ...
S. 2114: American Home Ownership Preservation Act of 2007
S. 2082: A bill to amend the Public Health Service Act to establish a Coordinated Environmental Public Health Network, and for other purposes.
S. 2059: Airline Flight Crew Technical Corrections Act
S. 1148: Hudson-Fulton-Champlain Quadricentennial Commemoration Commission Act of 2007
S. 2054: Neighborhood Reclamation and Revitalization Program Act of 2007

Some of Obama's most recently sponsored bills include)
S. 2030: A bill to amend the Federal Election Campaign Act of 1971 to require reporting relating to bundled contributions made by persons other than registered lobbyists.
S. 2111: Positive Behavior for Effective Schools Act
S. 2066: Back to School: Improving Standards for Nutrition and Physical Education in Schools Act of 2007
S.Con.Res. 46: A concurrent resolution supporting the goals and ideals of Sickle Cell Disease Awareness Month.
S. 2044: Independent Contractor Proper Classification Act of 2007

Sorry Clinton shouldr read
Missed voted compared to votes taken this year
2007-Q1 126 3 2.4%
2007-Q2 112 3 2.7%
2007-Q3 119 26 21.8%
2007-Q4 85 71 83.5%
2008-Q1 12 9 75%

There once was a gal named Hill.
Who was a sour puss and utterly shrill.
Then along came Obama to set Her straight.
When He ran for President in two thousand eight.
All that was left of Hill's Campaign.
Was some used paper cups and no champaign.
Poor ole Hill thought She tough that She was a winner
But the voters told Her no and went home and fixed dinner.


Larry Mohr

PS That is for You Crispee_Oc

correction


There once was a gal named Hill.
Who was a sour puss and utterly shrill.
Then along came Obama to set Her straight.
When He ran for President in two thousand eight.
All that was left of Hill's Campaign.
Was some used paper cups and no champaign.
Poor ole Hill thought She was tough that She was a winner
But the voters told Her no and went home and fixed dinner.


Larry Mohr

PS That is for You Crispee_Oc

Posted by LarryMohr at 2008-02-18 05:49 AM | Reply



_Hillary the corporate friendly Party backed candidate

Hardly, my dear Tater 'O Doom.

Obamer just has his corporate money bundled. Less scrutiny, more dollars than allowed by the legal limit if the original bundler never actually touches the checks, and the ability to hypocritically charge one's opponents with being on the corporate dole while at the same time taking the same amounts of money from them, more from Goldman Sachs, actually, who SO appreciate his not sponsoring penalties for predatory lenders like themselves.

www.whitehouseforsale.org

Which is not altogether unlike his penchant for accusing his opponent of having her finger in the wind while spending far more money on pollsters than anyone else in the race himself.


Before Obama started running for president, his Hope Fund PAC (disbanded prior to his presidential run) gave more money than Clinton to Democratic candidates running in the 2006 midterm election--including Hillary. It was part of a strategy to help the Democrats win a sizeable majority in Congress. Every Democratic elected official in Congress is a super delegate, so it's not surprising that he's given more funds to superdelegates when his PAC was more generous overall in trying to seize the opportunity presented in 2006 for their party. In that same year, Clinton spent some $40 million to get herself reelected as an incumbent senator against a challenger who only had $6 million at his disposal, and then rolled over another $10 million to her presidential campaign. In the meantime, Democratic candidates like Harold Ford Jr could have benefited from some largesse on the part of Senator Clinton. He lost his senatorial race by the slimmest of margins, and was outspent by some $5 million. Should superdelegates look kindly upon Obama for sharing his fundraising prowess with them, I think it would have more to do with the fact that he did not put himself above the good of the party. For more info, see www.huffingtonpost.com

Sorry here is the link: www.huffingtonpost.com

If Hillary wants to bring up how she turned her back on her fellow democrats up for election in order to show that Obama gave more for their causes, then she is really grasping.

This is just further proof that the Clintons are out for themselves and could care less about the party.

I've been using a Google spreadsheet to keep track of how superdelegates are pledged in comarison with the primary/caucus results in their state or Congressional District. Since this story broke, I've added the PAC contribution data to my spreadsheet.

While the PAC contributions can be related to how a superdelegate is pledged, they do not appear to have much impact on whether or not the superdelegate is following the will of the voters, or making up his/her own mind. You can see the full analysis at Gawk Squawk.

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