Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs
Wednesday, February 13, 2008

Denmark's leading newspapers on Wednesday reprinted a caricature of the Prophet Muhammad that sparked deadly rioting in Muslim countries two years ago. The papers said they wanted to show their firm commitment to freedom of speech after Tuesday's arrest in western Denmark of three people accused of plotting to kill the man who drew the cartoon, which shows Muhammad wearing a turban shaped like a bomb with a lit fuse.

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That's great.

You can't let a few assholes dictate how the rest of the world should live and think. (please pass this note to US evangelicals as well)

Good for them. I from time-to-time rail on the europeans, but in this case they show some courage. Too bad the politically correct press in our country does not have the same courage.

ditto.......it should run in every paper in every city in the free world and maybe even an accompanying blurb to these radicals telling them that they will not take over the free world no matter how many innocent people are killed by women with down syndrom or children suicide bombers. maybe if the world treated them like we did the kkk and not let them get away with this, then maybe they would be regulated to a parade every now and then or a meeting in some room at some building and made to just look stupid.

In 25 years, every third person walking the streets in Denmark, will be some kind of a Muslim.... and they can't do anything about it because a lot of Europe will be the same.

Whenever a people have been assimilated into the Muslim world, they have often created a stink just before joining us. It is only to be expected and Islamic history is full of such examples.

Let them Danes have a last gurgle before they "sink".

Danish Papers Reprint Muhammed Cartoon

Stupid idea. There are many westerners in Afghanistan who will now be at more risk of being targeted.

On a personal note, they closed several roads making it nearly impossible for me to resupply my Heineken. Thanks a lot Danes!

Cheers,
Walt

Forgot to insert my link

www.msnbc.msn.com

www.drudge.com

Boy, Zat is going to be pissed off.

I just asked my guard what the deal was with these cartoons and the uprising in Kabul. He hadn't heard anything about it. I showed him the picture of the guys burning the flag and he just looked confused. I asked him if he knew about the cartoons. He didn't. I asked him if he knew 5 people were killed and he said "no problem, only after 1 or 2 hundred will people get concerned". Then he asked me "Are you going to Red Hots tonight?" I might sit it out tonight.

Cheers,
Walt

Hey, it's Rogers' site.

The time stamps speak for themselves.

And these euro-cunts could have waited until after Pakistan's elections (Feb 18).

Now this thing just might become an "issue".

I don't think it will, but some islamic party might like to take it up and run with it.

One more headache Pak doesn't need.

One more headache Pak doesn't need.

Posted by Tosser


Fuck Pakistan. They have been protecting these fanatic for years, extracting money from us, now let them deal with it.

Fuck Pakistan. They have been protecting these fanatic for years, extracting money from us, now let them deal with it.

All the Afghanis I work with, want the US to invade Pakistan. It has to do with the disputed territory and a sea port. They would be happy if we nuked Pakistan.

Cheers,
Walt

The only papers that should run theese toons are in Detroit and Dearborn. They need riots, and massive urban recontruction


Good for them. I from time-to-time rail on the europeans, but in this case they show some courage. Too bad the politically correct press in our country does not have the same courage.

Posted by sawdust at 2008-02-13 08:33 AM


Compared to the US, the press here has balls galore. Which begs the quesiton, why do you "rail on the Europeans" from time-to-time?

The US press is a joke, a really bad, fluffy, pink cotton candy joke catering to a fluffy, pink cotton candy audience.

why do you "rail on the Europeans" from time-to-time?

FF for that.

How many reasons do you want BP? Should I do a top 10000 reasons list?

Cheers,
Walt

BP has a point. Just look at what happened to David Schuster. He does his job and people just can't handle getting their feelings hurt.

Now come to find out Chelsea's having lunch with superdelegates to curry their favor, and not just any superdelegate, but a 21 year old male superdelegate.

abcnews.go.com

Sounds like pimping to me.

It's about time someone stands up for what they believe in!

"All the Afghanis I work with, want the US to invade Pakistan. It has to do with the disputed territory and a sea port. They would be happy if we nuked Pakistan."

Tell them to vote for Obama, or tell them to make a PAC, the American Afghan Political Action Committe so they can hijack our foreign policy and we can do their dirty work.


Tell them to vote for Obama, or tell them to make a PAC, the American Afghan Political Action Committe so they can hijack our foreign policy and we can do their dirty work.

Posted by member2586


How exactly does voting for Obama help their cause? I'd like en explanation, because without one this sounds like bullshit to me.

Tell them to vote for Obama

No need to. After they learned that Clinton was losing they quickly embraced Obama. I had to clarify that he was not the infamous leader of Al Qaeda. They were not convinced.

Cheers,
Walt

Good for them! Don't be bullied by psychos...

newspapers on Wednesday reprinted a caricature of the Prophet Muhammad that sparked deadly rioting in Muslim countries two years ago

Just read the bold part... it is literally insane that a cartoon would cause anyone to riot and kill.

And furthermore... if it sparks more rioting in Muslim countries... I'm fine with that. All of our newspapers should do it too.

And furthermore... if it sparks more rioting in Muslim countries... I'm fine with that.

Come on Rob. People have died as a result of these stupid cartoons. If it were just terrorists killing each other, fine, but it is not.

Cheers,
Walt

How exactly does voting for Obama help their cause? I'd like en explanation, because without one this sounds like bullshit to me.

Posted by ddenton


Didn't Obama say something about going into Pakistan a while bakc?

He is a warmonger not a hope monger!

"Now come to find out Chelsea's having lunch with superdelegates to curry their favor, and not just any superdelegate, but a 21 year old male superdelegate."

Chelsea:

"Look Jason I know you are 21 and have a big decision ahead of you so I don't want to pressure you in anyway like to vote for my mom. But since we are just hanging and I have nothing better to do for the next hour how about you fuck me in the ass and moisten a cuban in my pussy at the same? R&J Churchill or Hoya de Monterrey double corona I just happen to have both on me."

Furio, that was damn funny!!!

Jason..... Sure, I just finished my lunch and I haven't thrown away the brown paper bags yet. Put this on.

Didn't Obama say something about going into Pakistan a while bakc?

Watch the video HERE--->>>.
abcnews.go.com

Cheers,
Walt

How do hell do you become a Superdelegate wihout being an elected official? This guy is 21!

Hey, I've got an idea. Let's elect this guy.

Let's see. The guy is born of a Muslim father who had a Muslim father who was also born of a Muslim father who was also born of a Muslim father.

He's named Barak Hussein Obama.

According to Webster

Barak = a military comander who, with Deborah, destroyed the Cananite army under Sisera. Judges 4

Baraka = N. Islam. a spiritual power believed to be possessed by certain persons, objects, tombs, etc.

Hussein = Arabian caliph, the son of Ali and Fatima and the brother of Hasan.



Come on Rob. People have died as a result of these stupid cartoons. If it were just terrorists killing each other, fine, but it is not.

Cheers,
Walt

Posted by Walt


Sometimes a forrest fire actually makes the forrest more healthy in the long run.

bp2.blogger.com

Definitely a Demoncrat boy. Not sure who took the grenade on that exchange.

Cheers,
Walt

Forrest is on fire?

Caliph = a spirtual leader of Islam claiming succession from Muhammad.

F----n sheep.

"Barak = a military comander who, with Deborah"

But I thought Obama's wife was Michelle.

Who the hell is this Deborah person, is he having an affair?!

Sometimes a forrest fire actually makes the forrest more healthy in the long run.

Agreed bro, but sometimes it kills Bambi. I know, awww, but I like Bambi.

I just don't see why they did it, again! How many more pounds of herring did they sell as a result of these silly cartoons?

Forrest is on fire?

Posted by Zatoichi


Only an A_Hole like Rob would set Forrst (Gump) on fire.

Crispy's a crazy mother fucker if he thinks just because Barack has a muslim name that's a muslim.

I have a Christian name, and I'm not a Christian.

Chelsea

a.abcnews.com

Paris

www.skinz.org

oops. "that he's a muslim"...

Now can I market my "Jesus On A Stick Doll"?

Agreed, this is great!

Hey, I've got an idea. Let's elect this guy.

Calling your "thought" process shallow insults shallow thinkers.

You chose the name "Kris P Bacon" and yet you bag on someone else about their given name?

Comedy and calumny. It's a two-fer.

My driver just brought me a case of Becks. Thanks to those stupid cartoons, it cost me 40$ instead of 35$

Cheers,
Walt

"Let's see. The guy is born of a Muslim father who had a Muslim father who was also born of a Muslim father who was also born of a Muslim father.

He's named Barak Hussein Obama"

I guess Krispy also has a hatred for guys named William, James, Albert and Theordore

hat's off to Denmark!

They have more balls than the sick twisted politically correct fucks that took all of the "racist" humor out of all of the original Warner Brother's cartoons.

We don't want to offend! Censorship is the only solution!

We've elected a lot of christians to the Presidency. I haven't been impressed with most of them.

I wish the Danes would give a heads up on this
kind of stuff.
I could have made a killing on the flag and gasoline markets.

BB!!!

Wassup bro!!!

Chelsea or Paris?

Cheers,
Walt

Let's see. Obama says not only will he end the war but he'll take away any basis for war.

I guess we shouldn't bother to ask him how he'll do this. After all BASIS is just a word. Who needs explanation when emotion feels so good?

"We've elected a lot of christians to the Presidency. I haven't been impressed with most of them. [And let me add, I think Martians wood do a much better job of running earth than any human has done soe far.]"

[And let me add, I think Martians wood do a much better job of running earth than any human has done soe far.]"


Posted by member2586 at 2008-02-13 10:31 AM |


Precisely why Obama is doing so well. Most Americans have never met either and know little about them as well.

But Kris, he is such a good speaker...

Hey, I've got an idea. Let's elect this guy.

Let's see. The guy is born of a Muslim father who had a Muslim father who was also born of a Muslim father who was also born of a Muslim father.

He's named Barak Hussein Obama.

According to Webster

Barak = a military comander who, with Deborah, destroyed the Cananite army under Sisera. Judges 4

Baraka = N. Islam. a spiritual power believed to be possessed by certain persons, objects, tombs, etc.

Hussein = Arabian caliph, the son of Ali and Fatima and the brother of Hasan.


Posted by Kris_P_Bacon at 2008-02-13 10:01 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Ooh, very persuasive, Kris P. Clearly this means Obama is a turrist who hates our freedoms and will require us all to convert to Islam.

You pc folks don't know the difference between hatered and a prudence.

And to the Danish papers, I say rock on. Don't be cowed by lunatics.

Word distorters rarely do. Yall have a gay day, now.

A positive stand!

I think I'll take sausage over bacon today. Almost any day, matter o' fact.

"One more headache Pak doesn't need."

It should be of no concern to Pakistanis. If some Islamic party makes it an issue and people are stupid enough to follow their lead, that is a home grown problem. Mooselambs need to learn to mind their own fucking business.

To the Danish papers: way to be irresponsible. You know how they overreact in the ME to printing a picture like that, you've seen for yourselves once before. Yet you still do it. Juvenile.

**** Now can I market my "Jesus On A Stick Doll"?
Agreed, this is great!
Posted by Manypaths *****

.......Christians forgive you for your transgression.....

......they won't go batshit like Muslims and start killing people......

......they are more civilized.........

ALL RELIGIONS SUCK.

except for the UFO one, that one sounds cool...

"You know how they overreact in the ME to printing a picture like that, you've seen for yourselves once before. Yet you still do it. Juvenile."

Its none of their business what Danish newspapers print. They are free to say whatever they want in their own country. That is the point. And Middle Easterners sure as hell assert their right to say whatever they want about anyone else.

If you want to be ruled by hypocritical religious nutjobs living thousands of miles away, that is your problem but don't make it sound like a noble position.

Media does need to be responsible, though. What exactly is the point of printing such a cartoon a 2nd time, when you already know what happened the first time? Childish.

Sully, it's not about being "ruled by the nutjobs" like you say, it's about being responsible.

US media could run more and more T&A, blood 'n guts stories that dumb down the viewers just to get ratings, but they don't because they're responsi... uhh, well...

Anyway, I think the Danish papers just printed those pictures just to be jerks, knowing that overly-conservative fools would react violently.

This is possibly just the tip of that old ice berg.

Muslims are wide spread in Europe as well as other areas. Their often forceful manner is going to result in a severe backlash.

The areas are predominantly Christian with a considerable mis of Jews thrown in. The Islamic elements are demanding more and more that all people not only repect their beliefs but follow them, or else.

Just how far the backlash will go is hard to say. As time goes on, I see the prospects for a violent(partially) and extreme response increase. A situation of stop them or lose what we are may be occurring. If so, these adjustments can be nasty. There is at this time a serious and growing anger at the extremism that accompanies Islam. Christianity itself has just as extreme a history.

The technology available to the non-Muslim world is for the most part much higher. When and if major conflict comes of the divisions already present, look out. This is going to be a blood bath. The Muslims have shown that unless totally defeated, they will keep hammering away at you. What is happening in the Gaza area(of course other concerns apply) show this.

Unless the Muslim world wants the rest of the world to sit up and smack their asses down. They need to find a way to live with not apart from the other peoples of this dirt ball. In areas of the world that aren't heavily populated by Muslim. They form their own areas in which the have, regardless of existing laws, their own Sharia Laws. This is normal in most areas to an extent. However, the Muslim laws go as far death sentences. Sentences that go totally against the existing law of the land.

Coming soon to a place near you violence, extremism and sundry nastiness. People saying we either throw them out or lose it altogether.

Scrum,

Agreed, with a slight change...

knowing that overly-conservative fools would react violently.

Substitute conservative with radical.

Cheers,
Walt

"Media does need to be responsible, though. What exactly is the point of printing such a cartoon a 2nd time, when you already know what happened the first time? Childish."

It was a reaction to the plot to murder the cartoonist. They are saying "We can whatever we want in our own country and won't be intimidated by you". That is the point. The only people who are "respnosible" for any riots that occur thousands of miles away are the rioters. You call the Danes childish but seem to believe Middle Easterners are grown babies who aren't responsible for their actions and who are incapable of thinking rationally.

"Sully, it's not about being "ruled by the nutjobs" like you say, it's about being responsible."

They are rejected the attempts to be intimidated by nutjobs. That is certainly what this is about.

"Anyway, I think the Danish papers just printed those pictures just to be jerks, knowing that overly-conservative fools would react violently."

You think wrong.

"If you want to be ruled by hypocritical religious nutjobs living thousands of miles away, that is your problem but don't make it sound like a noble position."

Ditto.

I stand corrected Walt, thanks.

Sully -

I'm with you, man. Time to make it known that civilized people will not give in to threats of violence by radicals.

The Danish newspapers are being deliberately provocative, yes. As they should be.

Their point is: We will not be cowed. Freedom of expression is a basic human right.

"The Muslims have shown that unless totally defeated, they will keep hammering away at you. What is happening in the Gaza area(of course other concerns apply) show this."

It goes way, way back. They have almost totally conquered Europe on more than one occassion. Read about "The Gates of Venice." Santiago, "El Cid," of Spain is revered for defeating them there also. In fact, a border town in Mexico was named by the Spanish as "Matamoros." It means, "Kill Moors,(Muslims.) They have been violent for their entire history and, as you said, Must ALWAYS be defeated by force of arms.

Okay, I see your point in the Danes sending the message that they won't be intimidated. Their response was still wrong, they could have done something different, knowing what they already know about the ME radicals.

I think a lot of folk in the Middle East are brainwashed by their governments, they aren't free, and many can't think independently.

FUCK MUSLIMS. I am really suprised women in this country are not more outspoken about the way they treat their women.

I just don't see why they did it, again! How many more pounds of herring did they sell as a result of these silly cartoons?

Posted by Walt


I'm guessing they're saying they aren't going to be bullied by psychotic assface muslims. That they are going to show them they decide what goes in their newspapers and if they're going to react so savagely on themselves over a cartoon, then that is their problem...

Good for the them... our newspapers and tv news should follow suit.

What if Muslims start rioting and killing if we report on car bombings or beheadings? Should we stop reporting about them?


Forrest is on fire?

Posted by Zatoichi


Pointing out the spelling errors of a self admitted horrendous speller... wow, that does add so much.

My Dead Cat

Walt:

Oh yes... we all know Afghans want Pakistan dead. They have made no secret of telling us that since 1947.

As for yourself... are you really in Afghanistan? I mean really really really? You are THERE right now? Where the hell are you getting your internet from? I thought these monkeys didn't even have TV? Tell me more, if yes.


Sully:

You misunderstand. Nobody is going to vote for some islamic party. But they might get some of their people to make trouble.

In fact, I have this theory... and I believe I am right.. that nothing is going to happen here, at least.

Why? Because Bhutto died. Her people were the biggest trouble-makers and have a history of rioting. I believe it was mostly them too last time and they tried to blame the islamic parties for it.

I just realized that the USA Today didn't put the cartoon in the story about the cartoon! See what the problem is walt? They're being bullied into acting a certain way by Muslim violence. By not showing the Mohammed Cartoon they aren't reporting on the full story...

"Their response was still wrong, they could have done something different, knowing what they already know about the ME radicals."

This is something we know about ME radicals...It doesn't matter what you do, they will choose to be offended when it suits them. There is no reason for them to care what Dutch newspapers print. You give in on this, they will find another issue that is none of their business to offend them. The more you give in, the more they will take as they accept no other lifestyles or cultures but their own. They view any concession as a sign of weakness and it only makes them more aggressive.

"I think a lot of folk in the Middle East are brainwashed by their governments, they aren't free, and many can't think independently."

And allowing the craziest among them to tell you what you can and can't do is the first step towards ending up just like them.

"Their response was still wrong, they could have done something different, knowing what they already know about the ME radicals"

Appeasing them just leads to more appeasement. Even the Colonies tried appeasing them centuries ago. our trouble with Islam didn't just begin when Bush was elcted...contrary to what some folks believe.

"In the book "Victory in Tripoli," Joshua London writes about the Muslim Barbary pirates. They attacked American shipping vessels in the 18th century, often boarding ships and enslaving crewmembers. Thomas Jefferson, then U.S. ambassador to France, and John Adams, then ambassador to Britain, visited the resident ambassador from Tripoli (modern-day Libya) in London to negotiate a treaty to protect American ships from Barbary pirates. Why, asked Adams and Jefferson, is your government so hostile to the fledgling United States of America? After all, we have no quarrel with you, nor you with us.

The Tripolitan ambassador told them -- as reported to the Continental Congress -- "that it was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as Prisoners, and that every Musselman [Muslim] who should be slain in battle was sure to go to Paradise."

More:

"Jefferson's plan for an international coalition foundered on the shoals of indifference and a belief that it was cheaper to pay the tribute than fight a war. The United States's relations with the Barbary states continued to revolve around negotiations for ransom of American ships and sailors and the payment of annual tributes or gifts. Even though Secretary of State Jefferson declared to Thomas Barclay, American consul to Morocco, in a May 13, 1791, letter of instructions for a new treaty with Morocco that it is "lastly our determination to prefer war in all cases to tribute under any form, and to any people whatever," the United States continued to negotiate for cash settlements. In 1795 alone the United States was forced to pay nearly a million dollars in cash, naval stores, and a frigate to ransom 115 sailors from the dey of Algiers. Annual gifts were settled by treaty on Algiers, Morocco, Tunis, and Tripoli.

When Jefferson became president in 1801 he refused to accede to Tripoli's demands for an immediate payment of $225,000 and an annual payment of $25,000. The pasha of Tripoli then declared war on the United States. Although as secretary of state and vice president he had opposed developing an American navy capable of anything more than coastal defense, President Jefferson dispatched a squadron of naval vessels to the Mediterranean. As he declared in his first annual message to Congress: "To this state of general peace with which we have been blessed, one only exception exists. Tripoli, the least considerable of the Barbary States, had come forward with demands unfounded either in right or in compact, and had permitted itself to denounce war, on our failure to comply before a given day. The style of the demand admitted but one answer. I sent a small squadron of frigates into the Mediterranean. . . ."


"You misunderstand. Nobody is going to vote for some islamic party. But they might get some of their people to make trouble."

Tosser - I was just saying that to the extent that Islamic parties get Pakistanis to make trouble, that is the fault of whichever Pakistanis participate. It isn't the fault of a Dutch cartoonist thousands of miles away.

"As for yourself... are you really in Afghanistan? I mean really really really? You are THERE right now? Where the hell are you getting your internet from? I thought these monkeys didn't even have TV? Tell me more, if yes."

My friend going to school in Holland has a Macedonian buddy who had a job installing internet hookups in Afghanistan - paid for by the US government. The guy running one of the schools where the Macedonian was working was designated as a wanted terrorist. The US paid for this guy's school to be wired up. The Macedonian was advised to get the hell out of the country as soon as his work was done because his first name happened to be "Christian". Can't make this stuff up....

that is the fault of whichever Pakistanis participate. It isn't the fault of a Dutch cartoonist thousands of miles away.


Well.. that's true, I suppose.

It was all over our newspapers, that if some rioters feel so strongly about it, why break traffic lights and windows in Lahore and Karachi? Why don't these "brave sons of islam" go to Denmark and break their windows???

See, politics is dirty business here. All political parties keep tough-guys on their payroll to make a distyrbance when needed.

Anyway... I am amazed to learn they have internet. One good thing at least Amreeka did for someone.

And about "Christian"....

An old fellow I know went to this Afghan owned store to get some lumber, right?

He said "Son... coild you please..."

"Why you call me SON??? I am NOT your son! You say you have sex with mother?!!!" (I think his Urdu was very bad)

My God... so yes, I can well believe your story about poor Christian.

But you spelled Forrest correctly.

Point is that Mohamed, when he was alive, never harmed those who insulted him.

Some people do react badly. I believe it is an over-reaction.

Still, the Danes must also be made aware that this is just not Cricket.

So the proper response would be to ban... again.. all those food products the Arab world loves get from Denmark.... and buy Pakistani milk, cheese, etc from us. LOL.

Pak doesn't buy anything from Denmark.

"But you spelled Forrest correctly."

Forrest? You mean Nathan Bedford? MY kinda man!

"So the proper response would be to ban... again.. all those food products the Arab world loves get from Denmark.... and buy Pakistani milk, cheese, etc from us. LOL."

I still don't see why anyone should care about Danish cartoons. I'm sure they print anti-American stuff all the time but you'd have a hard time getting me to care.

However, you are right in that hitting them in their wallets would bother the Danes more than rioters breaking their own windows and burning their own neighborhoods.

"Why you call me SON??? I am NOT your son! You say you have sex with mother?!!!"

LOL. I like that. I may use that next time some old timer calls me son.

I'm sure they print anti-American stuff all the time but you'd have a hard time getting me to care.


epaper.dawn.com

My favorite Pak newspaper. Let me know if they print anti-American stuff. LOL

Hitting them in their wallets will also help Pakistani products replace Danish products in the Arab and Iranian world.

"My favorite Pak newspaper. Let me know if they print anti-American stuff. LOL"

I was actually talking about the Danes. I'm sure more of their political cartoons feature Uncle Sam than they do Mohammed. I would probably agree with some and find others mildly annoying.

I would imagine that this Pakistani paper, being printed in English, is a bit more kind to the US than most. At least some of this paper's intended audience are native English speakers.

Looks like the Danes are finally showing some backbone. Personally, I would deport all muslim scumbags out of Europe. We need to save the White European race from inevitable extinction.

Hopefully these cartoons will have another similiar impact on muslim caveman mentality and they will start killing each other again. This time hopefully in greater numbers...like millions of each other. And if we get really lucky, maybe they will cause so much trouble that the civilied world will have no other option than to nuke the entire middle east into oblivion.

I would imagine that this Pakistani paper, being printed in English, is a bit more kind to the US than most. At least some of this paper's intended audience are native English speakers.


Ummm no... and no.

Try this one... this one is more unkind to the US on the opinion pages. Also in english.

www.jang.com.pk

Pakistan's "official language" is English (as well as Urdu). Most of us can understand the language quite well (we were ruled by the British for 200 years) even if many might mess it up speaking it. English language papers and magazines are quite common... they are not meant for different readers.

So, it's okay to insult the entire religion in order to get back at the dogs who are screwing everything up? Knowing that people in certain radically uptight places will lose their shit and riot, probably causing harm to others? They aren't eggs broken to make the omelet.

Also, things as a whole are not going to get better if we act out through Islamophobia. People need to understand that Muslim does not = terrorist. Oftentimes, now that the IRA has faded, terrorist = Muslim.

You need to actually view the Muslim world as a whole. Indonesia has the highest population of Muslims. 3 million practitioners of Islam in America.
3 million terrorists?

The last time, as I recall, there was a bunch of Islamic "scholars" from Denmark, who went around the Middle East and personally saw to it that the media over there gave it max coverage. The cartoons had been printed much earlier but nobody gave them any attention... until these islamic gentlemen picked them up and made them famous.

They also included two pics that were never part of the cartoons, but which were thought to be the most offensive.

Because of these people, it was thought that those two fake pics were also part of the cartoons. The Danes clarified they were not... later.

This time, those Danish "islamic scholars" are being kept under control, I assume?

"English language papers and magazines are quite common... they are not meant for different readers."

OK, thanks for the correction.

"So, it's okay to insult the entire religion in order to get back at the dogs who are screwing everything up?"

It's okay to insult anyone you want.

"Knowing that people in certain radically uptight places will lose their shit and riot, probably causing harm to others?"

If its a radical minority that is rioting, then the majority should do something about it. Not the Danes' job to worry about this.

"3 million practitioners of Islam in America.
3 million terrorists?"

Obviously not. And they seem less offended by all this than you are.


**** So, it's okay to insult the entire religion in order to get back at the dogs who are screwing everything up? Scrumplet ****

......the "dogs" are doing it in the name of that religion (Islam)......

......they followed the Koran and found that it called for them to kill people (which it does)...

......so if the observer says " hey..thats one evil religion to inspire people to do that " its not an insult......its the truth.....

......every single day, murder and repression is committed in the name of Islam.....time to get rid of this religion from the face of the earth for the betterment of mankind.......

Sully and Skizz, I'm just tired of closed-mindedness directed toward the dealings of the world. Not every country is free, and they don't all do things and react to things the way we do. I'm sick of the "bring 'em on" attitude so professed by our great leader. It doesn't have to be this way. We must lead by example, keep our cool, if progress is to be made.

I keep telling you. YOU need more fiber in your diet.

Or get your favorite muslim to piss in your cornflakes. Maybe that will give you the vitamins you so badly need.

I wuz talking to Skizzy up there....

**** Sully and Skizz, I'm just tired of closed-mindedness directed toward the dealings of the world. Scrumplet ****

.......au contraire.......there is nothing close-minded in making rational judgements about the impact of religions on culture.......

.......it is an inescapable fact that belief in Islam makes people bloodthirsty, violent, backward, and sub-human.......

........take all the religion-based killings in the world each day and what do you see ??.....Muslims killing other Muslims...Muslims chopping heads off Indonesian schoolgirls....Muslims killing the Africans of Darfur....Muslims treating their women like garbage.....

......Islam is an orgy of blood letting without end......

.......yes....it is time to name it for what it is and condemn it publicly so that Muslims themselves will be shamed enough publicly to understand that their belief is inhumane.....

.......change begins with recognition......

"......every single day, murder and repression is committed in the name of Islam....."

It's been that way from the beginning. In this chronological history of Islam, notice how often you see the words, battle, conquest, campaign, raid, capture, and the like.

www.barkati.net

Danish Papers Reprint Muhammed Cartoon

Good for them.

All major newspapers around the world should follow suit and publish the cartoon in conjunction with any story on the controversy as a show of solidarity.

Tosser, what if I like the taste of urine in my corn flakes? Heheh, "More peepee for me please!"

"Sully and Skizz, I'm just tired of closed-mindedness directed toward the dealings of the world."

How is saying the Danish have the right to freedom of speach close minded?

And I'm tired of hypocrites telling me I need to respect every other culture but that nobody needs to respect mine. Respect is a two way street.

"I'm sick of the "bring 'em on" attitude so professed by our great leader. It doesn't have to be this way.

So am I. There is a sensible middle ground between randomly flailing at people and total capitulation to maniacs who can't mind their own business. I don't see what Bush has to do with me other than the fact that you are looking to change the subject because you can't make a sensible arguement as to why the Danish need to sensor themselves to appease lunatics.

How is saying the Danish have the right to freedom of speach close minded_?

I live there, and the corporate media is very silent on certain issues relevant to free speech; such as extended powers to the police, and other shabby attempts to take out civil liberties in the name of the WOT. I could go on about all the other things that are rarely mentioned - but suddenly on this particular issue their xenophobic trumpeting is so loud it can be heard all over the world.

you can't make a sensible arguement as to why the Danish need to sensor themselves to appease lunatics.

You're off track. I'm not making a deflection toward Bush, just noticing how he is not alone with his "bring 'em on" reckless attitude. The Danish press are only serving to increase tension from their bad decision, which, yes they are free to make. It doesn't make that decision any less reckless.

Yes, I think radical jihadist Islam is one of the worst things out there, but I don't support the Danish press' response. It sucks to see that some of my own countryfolk do support what they did.

"but suddenly on this particular issue their xenophobic trumpeting is so loud it can be heard all over the world."

What is "xenophobic" about showing people who are making real threats against you that you aren't going to bow to their will every time they jump up and down? A phobia is an irrational fear. This reaction is neither fearful nor irrational. The word "xenophobic" is thrown around all too easily and it doesn't apply here.

"The Danish press are only serving to increase tension from their bad decision, which, yes they are free to make. It doesn't make that decision any less reckless."

The people who choose to riot over a cartoon are reckless. They need to grow up. Cowtowing to the whims of such lunatics would also be reckless. Readily surrendering your rights is reckless. The decision on the part of a few Danes to say "enough is enough" is not reckless.

"Readily surrendering your rights is reckless. "

Absolutely. There's another word for it: appeasement.

The initial release of the cartoon is not what we are talking about here. At least, I thought this argument was about the decision of the Danish press to print the pictures a second time, and the motives behind their decision.

It's easy for a free westerner to say "they need to grow up." People have different systems of thinking over in the ME (and other parts of the world, ever lived in a non-western country for a while?) + the Danish press really had no reason to print a 2nd time, other than to taunt. I doubt that taunting will accomplish anything, other than maybe incite some crazies to commit acts that will malign non-crazies.

All righty, I don't know how else to explain myself here. Sorry, if ya'll can't understand where I'm coming from. I did what I could.

Peace.

Yes, I think radical jihadist Islam is one of the worst things out there, but I don't support the Danish press' response.

When a cartoon sparks millions of Muslims across many nations to riot, destroying property and killing others, that is NOT radical jihadist Islam...

At that point... its just Islam.

I mean really really really? You are THERE right now? Where the hell are you getting your internet from? I thought these monkeys didn't even have TV? Tell me more, if yes.

Yes I am. I get my internet from VSat. We have a 1MB link so it isn't that fast but it works. Some of the longer threads take a bit to load. Anything with with graphics takes forever. The locals use internet cafes. There are 2 cable companies in Kabul. They also have broadcast TV. Most people have satellite dishes for TV. For phone service there is TDCA (Roshan), Areeba and at least 2 others. I am getting a post paid SIM with unlimited data today or Saturday. That is going to cost me 20$ per month or about 980AFs.

It is an interesting city.
Cheers,
Walt

other than to taunt. I doubt that taunting will accomplish anything

Absolutely correct. Westerners have enough problems without this sort of BS.

Someone wrote on here last night, can't remember who or which thread, that all the newspapers should unite and print the cartoons as a sign of solidarity. Why? Should we also start a new crusade?

Cheers,
Walt

Why? Should we also start a new crusade?

One has nothing to do with the other...

A sign to the middle east that we don't give a shit how they react and they are being savages would be a good thing... sure maybe they'll throw a little temper tantrum but all they're going to do is wreck their own world.

They are muslims... they follow the rules of Islam... the rest of the world isn't bound to those rules and they need to learn that.

I'm a catholic, I don't burn down McDonalds for selling quarter pounders on Friday in Lent.

Rob,

Maybe I have a grown a little soft on this subject after spending so many years here. I tend to agree with you, we are not bound by the laws of Islam. But what the hell does anyone gain by poking this in their eyes? It is pointless to purposely, and for no apparent reason, stir up a hornets nest.

I try not to show the bottom of my feet to these guys, I stand when an elderly person enters the room, I allow the older person to enter a door first, and I respond to their greetings appropriately. Perhaps if we all showed just a little more respect for their customs, they may return the favor?

They aren't all bad, and no good is served by needlessly disrespecting something that is very important to many of them.

-Walt

Perhaps if we all showed just a little more respect for their customs, they may return the favor?



Nice to hear your reply, Walt.

I'm from Karachi, btw.

As for your showing respect.. that is good of you and shows how you were raised, but there are (my impression) too few of you and many many more of people who lack fiber in their diet.

The real enemy is constipation, not islam (see above examples).

Tosser,

Are you Pakistani or Expat?

I may be in Karachi next month to sort a shipment and find a new freight forwarder.

I remember when Sinead O'Connor lost her career by tearing up a picture of the Pope. Now bear in mind: she didn't rip up the Pope himself, only a picture of him.

I'm a Pakistani, born and raised. I'm from Karachi (but not there at the moment).

Btw, have a look at today's newspaper:

epaper.dawn.com

The news about the Danish cartoon reprint is buried inside the inside back pages.

Not important news at all. (or else it would be on the front page)

There are some people (muslims and non-muslims, both, as seen above) who find this issue far more exciting than I do or my friends here do (I like to think of myself as "a mainstream muslim").

Guess everyone feels the need to go to the circus, now and then.

Toss,

Most of the guys I have talked to are not that concerned about these cartoons, however they not be telling the entire truth.

And as far as Pakistan is concerned, although many have family inside Pakistan, and several of them visit frequently, I do not get the sense that there is any love lost.

What do you think about the US coming into Pakistan to get the terrorists?

What do you think about the US coming into Pakistan to get the terrorists?

Posted by Walt at 2008-02-14 01:20 AM | Reply

Hasn't the US Screwed up enough Countries for a while. Do We really want to screw up another one??

Larry Mohr

Larry I don't see a problem with tracking some terrorists into the Pakistani mountains.

Cheers,
Walt

I'm waiting for the next riot, maybe the one two years ago was hype...

If every newspaper in the world would go ahead and print cartoons like this it would make it a little harder for the crazy Muslims to focus on any one of them. If disrespecting Islam is a crime they think they can punish westerners for then we should be committing it in mass.

"If disrespecting Islam is a crime they think they can punish westerners for then we should be committing it in mass."

Great, Danni! You CAN come up with a good one every now and then.

Walt:

Most of the guys I have talked to are not that concerned about these cartoons


People here just shrug and say what else could they expect from european monkeys? (yes, that is a bit racist, I know).



And as far as Pakistan is concerned, although many have family inside Pakistan, and several of them visit frequently, I do not get the sense that there is any love lost.


You sense right. They can hate Pakistan all they like... whenever they have tried anything against us, they have had the thrashing of their lives.

I have nothing but contempt for Afghans and that feeling is quite common here. These guys have ruined large parts of Pakistan... bringing in crime, violence against women, automatic weapons, what-not. If I had my way, I would use our nukes to turn the whole country into a parking lot.

And I'm half Afghan! LOL. But born in Pakistan, as I said. My family (Semetic) has been here for 800 years. Afghan side of the family, for about 100 years.


What do you think about the US coming into Pakistan to get the terrorists?


Personally, if... and I stress IF... you can be 200% sure you will get Al-Qaeda or O'Binbin, then I really don't care.

But we all know, the first thing to go out the window when action starts, is "the plan".

There are far FAR too many loose ends that might escalate into a blood bath.

There are 10 million Pathans (my race) in Afghanistan? There are 25 million here... and many of them run the Govt. If they somehow see you as the enemy... and believe me, the enemy will make sure that you are seen that way (by creating accidents... kids getting shot, etc)... then even we won't be able to put out the fire (which we are doing right now on a daily basis... basically by bribery).

Fortunately, there is an easy way.

Let Pakistan lay landmines along the border. We can stop them from going over and we can stop them from coming into Pak.

This proposal is still on the table. However it is not acceptable to the "AFghan govt." because of some territorial dispute... just tell them to shut the fuck up and let us get on with it and we will seal the border.

"the Danish press really had no reason to print a 2nd time, other than to taunt."

The printed the cartoon a 2nd time after people were caught plotting to kill the cartoonist. Had some western crazy plotted to murder someone over a cartoon, any paper reporting the story would have reprinted the cartoon as part of their coverage. To pretend otherwise is absurd. The Danish newpaper isn't trying to provoke anyone, it just isn't taking the feelings of lunatics into consideration while going about its business.

"I try not to show the bottom of my feet to these guys, I stand when an elderly person enters the room, I allow the older person to enter a door first, and I respond to their greetings appropriately."

You are in their country. Anyone should respect local custom when visiting another country. The Danish printed the cartoon in their own country and Muslims should respect that too. It is a two way street. And honestly, you have to admit that it is in the interest of your own safety not to make enemies over there.

"Perhaps if we all showed just a little more respect for their customs, they may return the favor?"

Normal Muslims who aren't crazy already understand that they have their customs and we have ours. But nothing the jihadists have ever done indicates they are willing to repsect any point of view other than their own and you know it.

(please pass this note to US evangelicals as well)

Posted by furio at 2008-02-13 08:30 AM


Tell us Furio--what behavior from Christians or evangelicals is even remotely close to these assholes over the cartoons exhibiting? And dont' point to those jerks that picket soldiers' funerals.


Tell them to vote for Obama, or tell them to make a PAC, the American Afghan Political Action Committee--

by Member--

Well they should call it "American Afghan Liberal Action Committee"

Better known as AFLAC...

Murphy

Boy did I screw that one up! ;o)

How about American Foreign Liberal Action Committee? AFLAC...


Murphy

The Danish printed the cartoon in their own country and Muslims should respect that too.


I don't think you have any idea how many Muslims there are in Denmark.

Just like questioning the Jewish Holocaust isn't kosher (and I agree with that), same rules for Muslims will apply sooner or later in Europe.

Like it or not.

"I don't think you have any idea how many Muslims there are in Denmark."

I have a friend who's family lived in Kuwait when she was a kid. It would anger her father that the neighbor beat his wife daily. But he had to accept that he was choosing to live in a place where this behavior is OK and that the neighbor's behavior, though offensive to him, was none of his business. He made the choice to live there and had to adjust. I expect that Muslims choosing to live in Denmark will find many aspects of Danish culture offensive but will have to tolerate them anyway. Even people born in Denmark, Muslim or otherwise, have the option of leaving if they find the culture offensive.

"Just like questioning the Jewish Holocaust isn't kosher (and I agree with that), same rules for Muslims will apply sooner or later in Europe."

Depends where you are. In the US, people will call you an idiot but you have the right to do it. In Iran, it is encouraged by the government. In Germany, it is illegal. So if you want to be a holocaust denier, don't move to Germany. If you don't mind people thinking you're an asshole, you can live in the US and your right to free speach will be protected. Muslims living in Denmark have the right to not like the paper that prints these cartoons. They shouldn't buy it. But they have no right to physically intimidate those who involved. If they don't like it, they should go somewhere where insulting Islam is against the law.

Muslims living in Denmark have the right to not like the paper that prints these cartoons.


And they are protesting very peacefully. (see article)

See, your point stands too. Danish muslims won't go on a rampage. They are far more integrated than you give them credit.

Last time, Canadian and American muslims (largest single bunch of muslims in US/Canada are from Pakistan I believe) didn't "go on a rampage". They protested peacefully.

So please quit with the nonsense that muslims are forcing their way of life on the Danes. They are protesting peacefully as is their right. (and if they had any real proof against the arrested folk, they wouldn't have let them go... see article).



It would anger her father that the neighbor beat his wife daily. But he had to accept that he was choosing to live in a place where this behavior is OK and that the neighbor's behavior, though offensive to him, was none of his business


With all due respect to your friend, her dad was an idiot.

He should have been able to differentiate between Islam and Arab culture (two very different things) and just a mean old guy who liked to beat his wife.

In India/Pakistan, you go to jail for that (though wife-beaters are found in all countries). I am sure there must be similar laws in Kuwait.

"wife-beaters are found in all countries"

Sad but true flag

I don't think you have any idea how many Muslims there are in Denmark.


Posted by Tosser at 2008-02-14 11:48 AM


That's what I don't get. These Muslims obviously are looking for a better life in a western country, but so many get pissed off and want the western, modern country to change it's ways to be more like the old country.

You left the old country because it is shitty, why do you want to change your new, better country to be more like your old, shitty country?

"You left the old country because it is shitty, why do you want to change your new, better country to be more like your old, shitty country?'

Posted by bigjohn_1972

Last I checked, Tosser was in Karachi.

In India/Pakistan, you go to jail for that (though wife-beaters are found in all countries).

Posted by Tosser at 2008-02-14 12:37 PM


Wait a minute there Tosser, people in those countries kill their wives / sisters for 'offending the family' by doing things like being raped. People still get away with that in those countries, only when it is brought to light in the western world is there any justice.

Last I checked, Tosser was in Karachi.

Posted by Zatoichi at 2008-02-14 12:46 PM


That was the proverbial 'you', I was speaking about Muslims that moved to the Western world.

Sully -- Pretty good post. I feel that if Europe decides to treat its muslim minority the same way that most muslim states treat non-muslim minorities then that should be ok. There is a term "Dhimmi" (see www.dhimmi.com), which implies subordinate status for non-muslims in muslim majority states.

Normally, in some relatively progressive muslim states like Malaysia, Indonesia, Brunei, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Morocco, Tunisia, Albania and Turkey. The Dhimmi concept is not highly regarded. But in traditional places like Saudi Arabia, the concept is vengefully applied.

As long as the land of Mecca continues to treat non-muslims as second class citizens, and non-muslim women as perpetrators of lust to muslim men, subject for strict punishment under barbaric laws, then the 4.6 billion non-muslim people of the world ought to have every right to embarass and cajole the theocrats under the thumb of Saudi imams about the backwardness and unfairness of the Saudi way.

Posted by Sully at 2008-02-14 10:16 AM | Reply | Flag:

Fair enough and I agree with you. It is in my best interest but that is not why I do it. I do it out of respect for their customs and courtesies.

Normal Muslims

I assume you mean so called "mainstream Muslims"? Yes. They do understand, but the rest don't. And the silly actions of the Danish newspaper do nothing but widen the gap in relations between the West and The Middle East so to speak.

However it is not acceptable to the "AFghan govt." because of some territorial dispute...

Half of bloody Pakistan is in dispute, the path to the sea being the biggest problem.

Why did you put Afghan govt in quotes?

More links regarding the dhimmi concept -- www.dhimmitude.org en.wikipedia.org and lankarani.net (the rulebook on what can and cannot be done -- Pretty well summed up as: "The end justifies the means if it ends up that islam ultimately dominates all things").

relatively progressive muslim states like Malaysia ... .

Here is a picture I took in Penang, Malaysia.

Progressive?

bp2.blogger.com

Wait a minute there Tosser, people in those countries kill their wives / sisters for 'offending the family' by doing things like being raped.


Oh, very bad things do happen in India and Pakistan, specially against women. And very bad stuff happens to women in the US.

Point is... there are laws against anti-women crimes. So it is not OK or "part of the culture".


I was speaking about Muslims that moved to the Western world.


If I take the example of the French and the Algerians (french speaking muslim immigrants), you should know that France ruled Algeria once.

So some Algerians think, they have a birth-right to go poop in France as the French pooped in their country a long time ago. I understand there is some anger involved but you have to scratch the surface to see it.

This is also why young French-Africans burned all those cars in Paris, some time ago. They are in Europe to poop all over the place. Some of them at least.

Walt:

I put Afghan Govt. is quotes because I don't consider it a "Govt." at all.

You noticed. Nice catch.

President Karsick used to run a kabab-house in Quetta (Pak) and was famous for giving diarrhea to his customers.

But he had family connections in Afganistan. So Americans... being a people who like a fast solution... again "picked the nearest asshole" for the job. And Karsick became Mayor of Kabul (not Prez of Afghanistan).

Toss,

It is late. I like to talk with you. I will see you around. (Maybe in Karachi)

Finishing hookah and going to bed.

Best,
Walt

Town - so, an eye for an eye, eh? Stoop to the level of the nonfree? That's just no good.

And you mention the "Dhimmi" word. It sucks that such a xenophobic concept exists but let me ask you: Have you ever lived in a nonwestern foreign country?

In Japan, the word for foreigner is "gaijin." In South Korea, "waygookin." They definitely believe in a concept of "pure blood" (more so in South Korea) and it sucks for foreigners living there. I couldn't get into nightclubs with my friends simply because there were too many "Americans" in our posse (the other white guys were Canadian, btw).

Anyway, the whole experience shed light on how homogeneous societies might tend to think. After a while, I came to accept the Koreans' xenophobia, knowing that time and patience would improve things. And they did improve. As of 2006, foreigners living in South Korea can get credit cards from Korean banks. Maybe if they see Obama as the American president, Koreans in general might begin to rethink how they feel about darkness of skin (most people want to be white as snow there).

But I digress. Just trying to let you know that people in other societies aren't lucky enough to have a diverse upbringing like many of us in America. They don't understand the implications of some of their behavior toward "outsiders."

continues to treat non-muslims as second class citizens


Non-muslims second class?

Mister, I would be treated as third class over there even though I'm a muslim. Just not their kind of muslim.

"So please quit with the nonsense that muslims are forcing their way of life on the Danes. They are protesting peacefully as is their right. (and if they had any real proof against the arrested folk, they wouldn't have let them go... see article)."

I made comments about dictating a way of life only when responding to people who say that the paper should not have printed the cartoons because Muslims rioted in the Middle East last time. And my response was consistently "they should not be told what to do by maniacs living thousands of miles away". I am aware that in many countries the protests were peaceful. I was specifically responding to people who were using the violent protests and death threats as a reason not to print the cartoons.

"With all due respect to your friend, her dad was an idiot.

He should have been able to differentiate between Islam and Arab culture (two very different things) and just a mean old guy who liked to beat his wife.

In India/Pakistan, you go to jail for that (though wife-beaters are found in all countries). I am sure there must be similar laws in Kuwait."

This was over 25 years ago. At the time, this man was within his legal rights when beating his wife. I never said it had anything to do with Islam. I was merely giving an example of a behavior that would be offensive to my culture than an American had to tolerate when living overseas.

I try not to show the bottom of my feet to these guys, I stand when an elderly person enters the room, I allow the older person to enter a door first, and I respond to their greetings appropriately.

But you're in their country...

If I went to your house, maybe you have a rule that you have to take your shoes off at the door, so when I'm at your place I do so. But in my house, I have no such rule... if you want to remove your shoes, then fine. But don't come to my home and tell me whether I may continue to wear my sneakers.

At the time, this man was within his legal rights when beating his wife.


It was legal???

I had no idea.

This is from a 2004 US State Deparment report on Kuwait:

"Violence against women continued to be a serious and overlooked problem. Certain provisions of the penal code reduce or eliminate penalties for violent crimes committed by men against women. Each of the country's 54 police stations reportedly received weekly complaints of spousal abuse, approximately 60 percent of which involved spousal abuse of non-citizen women. The police and the courts generally sought to resolve family disputes informally, but they referred a few serious cases to the Ministry of Health.

The courts have found husbands guilty of spousal abuse; however, most domestic abuse cases are not brought to court, and abusive husbands, if convicted, rarely face severe penalties. Typically, husbands accused of domestic abuse must pay a nominal fine and sign a pledge of good conduct. Police officials typically regard domestic violence as a private family affair and are reluctant to bring such cases to the attention of higher investigative authorities. In February, police arrested a man for allegedly killing his wife in their home during a domestic dispute."

So it is entirely feasible that 25 years ago a man would slap around his wife on a nightly basis and never face criminal charges and that his neighbors would just have to deal with it.

www.state.gov



"It was legal???"

Seems there is a law against it but the cops have wide lattitude in determining what constitutes actionable abuse and generally side with the husband in all but extreme cases. Pretty consistent with the story I was told by someone who, unlike you or I, actually lived there.

But don't come to my home and tell me whether I may continue to wear my sneakers.


But believe it or not, some people do come to your house and tell you not to smoke that cigarette. (I don't smoke)

I have lots of statues and artwork sent to me by my cousins in Africa.

Some guests came to my house and said could I please cover these up while they were sitting there? They are "un-islamic"...!!!

I nearly told them to fuck themselves, but decided in a second that it was far easier to just cover them up.

There indeed are some such people. So what? You goto live with them.

the cartoons and my view

i don't care if they draw cartoons

they are slightly offensive
but free speech is slightly offensive to everyone

thats the point


but doesn't matter to most of you i'm still a barbarian

brownman the barbarian

There indeed are some such people. So what? You goto live with them.

Posted by Tosser


No... that's the point... you don't have to live with them.

If someone wants you to cover up decorations in your house, ask them to leave. If someone demands you follow their rules in your own house kick them out. If idiots a thousand miles away want to riot over your cartoons, let them. If they freak out in your own country, deport them....

but free speech is slightly offensive to everyone

Exactly... there is no such thing as the Right to "Not be offended."

ask them to leave.


I couldn't.

Sometimes you can't do whatever you like.

"If someone demands you follow their rules in your own house kick them out."

rob you mean like iraqi insurgents fighting america

or the taliban fighting the usa

consistency my friend
consistency


"No... that's the point... you don't have to live with them."


america can't even kick out the mexicans

how bout all the tens of thousands of gang bangers nation wide

can we deport them??

Klifferd:

Exactly. Sometimes, you just can't.

"can we deport them??"

We could deport illegals when we identify them but don't really don't want to. We can't deport American citizens. Denmark has its own laws regarding immigration anyway.

We tend to think of the Euros as a much of namby-pamby wussbags and that may be the case. But I'd be willing to bet that if pushed far enough, they'd go back to the old-school Euro ways - sending people away or simply slaughtering them.

There is really no need to talk about that now as it has been pointed out numerous times that the people who cause the most problems over this are not living in Denmark.

As for someone coming into your house and making demands: You can always kick them out but you often have greater incentive just to give in.... You are making a choice by giving in to them, however.

sully maybe

but there will always be a group that will fight the occupiers

thats why colonialism ended.

too expensive to maintain control.

You are making a choice by giving in to them, however.


In my case, I only see these folk like once in 5, 10 years, so I thought what-the-fuck.

Right now, the woman who made this demand is very sick and is about to kick the bucket.

It only happened once. So I was right to take the long view and not create a fuss.

Sometimes, you just have to grit and bear it (like I do with my coworkers from time to time).

Off topic.... (belonged in another thread)

Valentine in Peshawer, Pakistan.

pakistaniat.com

"In my case, I only see these folk like once in 5, 10 years, so I thought what-the-fuck.

Right now, the woman who made this demand is very sick and is about to kick the bucket.

It only happened once. So I was right to take the long view and not create a fuss."

Two of my great aunts are/were Catholic nuns (one passed away). I remember them coming over for dinner and being horrified that we started eating without saying grace (pre-meal prayer). So everyone pretended that we forgot, said grace and moved on. They were old and it would have really offended them so we gave in because it wasn't a big deal.

So I get what you are saying. But if they were strangers and not my grandfather's sisters we might have just laughed at them.

Yep... in my case it too would have been quite awkward to tell them to shoo.

There is a debate going on now in denmark about whether the terror laws should have anything to do with this. Legal experts are saying that it is an ordinary criminal case.

Still, when have politicians ever listened to experts (they don't agree with).

For many years in britain, the IRA committed bombings etc, and the mainstream press called it terror.

Yet many brits saw their demands as reasonable, and the state was never allowed to torture, at least in the blatent way that is going on today.We did not do such things regardless of the incitement.

Too many remembered the nazis & we were constantly told that the main thing that separated us (the good guys) and them was that we did not do such things. Nazis were executed for WATERBOARDING prisoners in Norway.(even they forbade waterboarding before '37 ).

I do not believe in capital punishment, but its not like the US lacks prison cells.

"Yet many brits saw their demands as reasonable, and the state was never allowed to torture, at least in the blatent way that is going on today.We did not do such things regardless of the incitement."

LOL. Sure. The Brits never used torture in Northern Ireland during the 70's.

If being beaten, burned, set upon by dogs, sodomized with foreign objects and threatened with guns to the head doesn't count as torture, that is......


If being beaten, burned, set upon by dogs, sodomized with foreign objects and threatened with guns to the head

Yeah, acts of brutality, much of which can be found in prisons around the western world. Dont forget the brutality used including dogs, beatings etc against workers in various strikes, esp the '80's miners' strike.

But torture as a state-sactioned instrument to elicit information etc was never officially allowed. Certainly flushing virgin-marys down the toilet would of resulted in an election. There were never many nasty insinuations made about the religion of the 'terrorists'.

To imply that the actions of the british state against the irish 'terrorists' was nearly as brutal and unlawful as the actions of the US today is delusional. Admittedly the british have been and are real bastards... but they're far behind you lot at present.

The stories and photos of people that have been, say cut with razors etc are truly sickening.

If I went to your house, maybe you have a rule that you have to take your shoes off at the door, so when I'm at your place I do so. But in my house, I have no such rule... if you want to remove your shoes, then fine. But don't come to my home and tell me whether I may continue to wear my sneakers.

Rob, I appreciate that. Would you mail your sneakers halfway across the world and have someone put them in my house just to piss me off?

Toss,

Some guests came to my house and said could I please cover these up while they were sitting there?

I have a statue from Malaysia, and have been asked by Christians to cover it up because it is "Satanic". It isn't, but I did.

Cheers,
Walt

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