YES WE CAN!

After the Potomac sweep, Obama is going to be riding a momentum wave that will probably deliver him Wisconsin, Texas, and maybe a good chunk of Ohio. If that happens, then Hill-Billy is toast.

She is already toast, Righto. You can take that to the bank.

She is already toast, Righto. You can take that to the bank.

Don't count your chickens before they hatch. Hillary could win TX, OH and PA. She is the frontrunner and the incumbent here, and she has a lot of tricks left up her sleeve.

ROC - wait, it doesn't matter, all these people who have been voting for Obama do not matter, they are latte liberals, they are blacks, they are "people who think Hillary Clinton sucks" so they don't matter, they took part in caucuses so they don't matter, none of them matter, the only people who matter are the ones who vote for the Hilderbeast. Just remember that when Corky posts tomorrow that the results, "do not matter" all that matters is Texas and Ohio, lets just have Texas and Ohio decide who should be the president of the United States, it used to be Iowa, but no wait.....

Taxman - what do you mean by "she is...the incumbent here"?

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A Florida man was seen walking along Alligator Alley mumbling something about, "I coulda been a contedah" and wearing what appears to be a womans pantsuit two sizes too small. He was picked up by local authorities.

"It was pitiful", said one witness, "He looked like a mini Incredible Hulk in drag".

The man, identified only by a dog tag bearing the name Corky, was taken to Miami General Hospital for observation.

FF Don't

I hope for all our sakes that Hillary fades.

Too much baggage.
Too embedded in corporations.
Bill.
Too liberal.
Bill.

Hillary lost her "frontrunner" status on Super Tuesday.

BillO-

Not yet, but she's pretty close...kind of like a piece of bread that pops out of the toaster, and it is warm, and a little singed, but not ready yet. Let's pop her back in for a few more weeks and see what happens.

hope for all our sakes that Hillary fades.

Too much baggage.
Too embedded in corporations.
Bill.
Too liberal.
Bill.

Posted by SamBarber at 2008-02-12 07:34 PM

Add on to that the fact that Bill and Daddy Bush arethisclose and that now Bill has become as much of a globalist/corporatist (think NAFTA) as the New World Order Bushes.

Vote Clinton -- get Bush.

Actually what is happening (at least in Va. Not sure about everywhere else) is that there is MASSIVE cross over from Republicans voting in the Dem primary.

I talked to several (as I am a Rep. as if you could not guess) friends and they all voted in the Dem. primary as a way to insure Hillary would not get to be a choice for President...its not that they like Obama...its that they hate Hillary and are not too pleased with McCain.

At least voting for Barack gave them a real say in the presidential process.

I bet if you check the other primary's you will find that Barack really cleaned up in the open primary's but the closed ones he either lost or won by a small margin.

Don't count your chickens before they hatch. Hillary could win TX, OH and PA. She is the frontrunner and the incumbent here, and she has a lot of tricks left up her sleeve.

Posted by taxman at 2008-02-12 07:29 PM | Reply

In My best Nell Carter voice. Sorry Hunny but Hillary is as done as done can get. She like last weeks diaper pad.

Larry Mohr

Hillary now has a "Giuliani" Wait and See plan until March 4th.

Let's hope it turns out the same way.

The man, identified only by a dog tag bearing the name Corky, was taken to Miami General Hospital for observation.

Posted by Dontmentionit

I thought you were going to say Rudy G...

I bet if you check the other primary's you will find that Barack really cleaned up in the open primary's but the closed ones he either lost or won by a small margin.

Posted by foshaffer

Usually, the idea is to state a fact or statistic and then provide a link to your source. Not to just pull something out of your ass. Why don't you go ride the Google for 5 minutes before you make such a statement and save yourself the trouble of looking like an idiot.

Or you could be right, and then you could feel extra righteous, but you really should do the work first and the spouting second.

Yea foshaffer, you need to be raising the level of dialog on the DR.....just like TFDHIHILIST does.....way too f'in funny! Do the research, provide the proof....and then, and only then, are you to make a comment. Unless you are a DR Lefty. Then spout away with whatever drivel you like and believe as they do that it is all relevant and the truth and nothing but the truth. That TFD post may be the funniest I've ever observed here.

"Actually what is happening (at least in Va. Not sure about everywhere else) is that there is MASSIVE cross over from Republicans voting in the Dem primary."

Ya think? Or could it ba a fact that Hillary RodHam Clinton turns everyones stomach?

Goodbye hillary. Don't write.

Corky, was taken to Miami General Hospital for observation.

Shows what you know about I-75 (Allegator Alley)

Cleveland Clinic was closer.

Sorry, Corky. But unless Hillary Clinton shows some huge gains in Texas, Ohio and Pennsylvania and hangs onto her super delegates, we'll have to throw our support to Obama. It's the party that counts, not the person.

If the Senate swings overwhelmingingly Democrat, Obama may dodge the bullet. If not, I have a feeling the neo-cons are drafting an impeachment inquiry as we speak.

I still think Hillary Clinton will get the nomination but I'm also prepared to support Obama if she doesn't. I just feel a little sorry for him, that's all. He's way too young for the grist mill.

CNN is estimating that the win in Virginia gives Obama 1,170 delegates to Clinton's 1,168. Those totals include the superdelegates!

Wow....he's kicking her ass!

TFD - I stated the fact of what was happening in Va. I made an educated guess what was happening generically - if proven wrong in the others ..so be it...Nothing idiotic in either statement

Since you made an issue out of it I did go back and check...of the 14 he has won (not counting DC) 5 were closed (or kind of closed) and the rest were either open primary's or caucuses that you could cross over in.

Of those 5 he killed Hillary in 2 (Colorado and Kansas) - the other 3 (like Connecticut) it was very close.

Of the 12 Hillary has won only 4 were Open Arkansas, Oklahoma, TN and Michigan. Michigan Barack did not run in...so that leaves 3 with Tennesse being rather close (41 to 55)

So the net is - Hillary wins in most of the closed primary's and Barack wins in the open ones.

If it closed and in the South, Hillary wins (Southern Democrat White Male issue) and in the Mid West Barack wins.

Wow....he's kicking her ass!

Posted by ride_on

It's hard to miss. Or are you refering to Bubba?

Bill fucked up. He was campaigning in Vagina.

Now that I have set the new standard for Drudge...I expect everyone of you lefties to put in the same amount of research into your comments before you can post...so new rule...you are no longer allowed to post until you have an actual point to make and that did not originate from Move On or the Democratic party web site and is back by some independent fact - Not CNN, NBC, CBS or ABC - Not Berkley, or other left wing institution.

This should result in a reduction of postings by about 90%.

Yep. WisGod it's good you are here. You are a quick study. Hell people like O'Crap'O' were preparing long winded posts that were going to berate this poster for thinking a two delegate lead was an ass kicking. On the other hand you spoiled the O'Crap'O's belief in his own usefulness for the balance of tonight (and probably some others as well).

Not Berkley

Posted by foshaffer at 2008-02-12 09:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

Ya' might have had to have been here to see it....but, it was Berkley who (as a mother) was upset that no one told her that her son had been in Iraq for over two years! Oh sorry, different Berkley....

FF Ride. Where has that worn out hole been?

FOSHAFFER:

"This should result in a reduction of postings by about 90%."

Why would you want to do that? Rogers would be very unhappy with you.

Advertising is based on viewership. Advertising pays the bills.

Oh, BTW, salute . . . have another beer. The night is young.

Hillary has turned on the faux-sincere tone in her speech tonight. What an uninspiring speaker. Somebody give her the hook.

Nothin for nothin, but the Dem turnout tonight, like for all the other primaries, has been way above the Rep turnout.

Methinks the GOPpers ain't too thrilled with any of their choices. Except the Paulies, who are laying low and stacking the Convention.
The Fightin' Four Percenters haven't given up!

But what exactly is Ron doing with all that cash?

Advertising is based on viewership. Advertising pays the bills.
Posted by Twinpac

No shit.
Sincerely, Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, Sean Hannity et al.

she's NOT done yet.......

DAVE

"she's NOT done yet......."

You betcha believe it!

Hillary never quits!

YeeHee Cunts!

Horsey Here ... just a'chimin' in. Hyuck!

Hillary supporter here. Natch.

I can't seem to catch Obama fever. Tried, tried.

Although moi waxes liberal-ical, I tend to agree with something Rush Limbaugh said (and that's saying something, bitches, since moi hates that deaf cunt). He said words to the effect that Obama is one of the best speakers he's ever heard who really says absolutely nothing. I mean, when someone's right, they're right, regardless of whether or not you agree with that person politically.

Now I want you kids at home to take a minute and just think about it. I mean, bom-bom talks a nice schtick. He says lots of really nice inspiring things, lush platitudes and he's even learned how to make his voice do that Martin Luther King "warble" (and don't tell me you don't know EXACTLY what I mean by that .. it is so obvious it's silly).

But back to the point: What has he offered up in terms of the concrete, you know, plans and figures. Specifics, people, specifics. I am just not picking up on it. I'm getting a lot of steamy-hot, alfalfa-laced, mealy green horse shit in my ear, and it's nice and warm and gooey, but other than that, I hear nothing from Obomanable. What the fuck, hey?

I guess that's what I wanted to say. Hell, I don't know if I can support him if he takes the nomination. I will continue to pay attention to him, and try to find out what he really means. He's captured the hearts and minds of the public. But we all know that the US Dem public is mainly a bunch of high-brow idealistic twats. It's the elite side of my party that's spearheading this bullshit (and it's the elite side of my party that is gonna end up chasing ol' Hossey right over to Lou Dobbs effin they don't mind they'selves).

Ah but I digress. Please, someone else... speak.

One last thing: GO HILLARY GO HILLARY !!!!

One last thing, oops! Where are my manners?

HI MONTECORE-ONOVICH! Long time my friend, long time. Cheers!

WIS

Don't jump on me.

I'm not the one who wants to reduce our numbers by 90%

Go jump on Foshaffer.

Obama is very scary, Horse. A lot of charisma but very little substance. What has he done that shows he has what it takes to lead this country?

On the other hand, Hillary is power hungry without a doubt. But I would much rather see her as President.

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Posted by Dontmentionit at 2008-02-12 07:31 PM | Reply

the world needs more Lerts

"Corky, was taken to Miami General Hospital for observation.

Shows what you know about I-75 (Allegator Alley)

Cleveland Clinic was closer.



Shows what YOU know about spelling Alligator Alley. Although sometimes scary with an e they are not spelled that way.

Frankly, I did not know if there was a Miami General but alas there is it appears. Cleveland Clinic does not take indignants......or indigents.



Just admit it was funny and move on. Geez. The twisted panties syndrome is strong in this one.

Oh great, the stupid tater is back as someone else.

I am moving to Canada.


Oh wait, never mind.

Obama is very scary, Horse. A lot of charisma but very little substance. What has he done that shows he has what it takes to lead this country?

Charisma matters. Part of the job of a president, at least before George W. Bush, was to lead the people where we need to go, not just tell us where we are being taken.

Hillary is one tough bitch, it's true. We can't count her out quite yet. I'll never forget the look on her face during the Wal-Mart comment debate, after Bom-bom said that shit. She just kind of leaned on her stand and gave him a look that said, "I'm. Gonna. Kick. Your. Ass."

No, only fools would discount her at this point (I see there are a good number here, b t w). Remember, this is the Clinton War Machine. It is capable of damned near anything. Know what? I say more power to them for it, too.

You have to ask yourselves, people... Who do you want going face to face with the like of Russia, China, Iran, N. Korea.

Someone with true balls you say?

Hillary's got a bigger set of balls on her than McCain and Bom-bom put together.

I get a dread feelinbg that of Bom-bon wins, this country's gonna end up fucked four ways to Friday. Mark my words, cunts. And mark them well.

Rcade, Obama inspires people like Hitler inspired the Germans. When people are inspired by someone, with no care about the positions he holds, it is not a good sign. Some people love Obama but they can't explain why or even what he stands for on issues. . .and they don't even care. That is when a democracy begins to fail a nation.

yep, Obama dosen't have a single concrete thing to say. He's running on a platform of "I don't seem like the same prick that always runs for president."

Charisma matters. Part of the job of a president, at least before George W. Bush, was to lead the people where we need to go, not just tell us where we are being taken.

Yes, but Bush changed all that, you see ... and by your own reckoning. No, I prefer Hillary's puff-cheeked hardened schoolmarm kisser and that irritating voice of here, total zero charisma, to ALL of Obama's jug-eared allure. Thanks.

not just tell us where we are being taken.

Or, how we are being taken.

NEWSFLASH!!

Yeah, I had a look at that pdf a long time ago, son. It's a fucking anthology of quotes and platitudes and non-substance cleverly disguised as meat n potatoes. How cleverly it comes off as fraught with specifcs, and yet upon any deep check you find nary a one. Please. Spare me.

Love,

Your favorite Self Loathing Loser.

Ol' Hossey!

Rcade, Obama inspires people like Hitler inspired the Germans. When people are inspired by someone, with no care about the positions he holds, it is not a good sign.

The idea that Obama stands for nothing but empty platitudes about hope and change is utterly false. He's speaking right now on issues like getting out of Iraq, providing universal health care, raising teacher pay, ending Bush tax cuts for the wealthy, and giving college students a $4,000 tax credit in exchange for service in government projects like the Peace Corps, foreign service, or charities.

Obama's oratory is not empty. He just ties it together in a compelling narrative that moves people to act.

I listened to Hannity this afternoon and he was picking on Obama supporters. I can't remember who had the forum for the discussion, but they asked the supporters to name something Obama had accomplished.

By the time they mumbled through their answers, Hannity jumped on it with this paraphrase.

The reason to vote for Obama is because he voted on a bill?
The reason to vote for Obama is because he drafted a bill?
What accomplishments?

Well, I had to think about this.
Hillary is in the House. They draft bills and vote on them.
McCain is a Senator, but he does about the same thing- - just votes on bills.

So, to figure that accomplishments of anyone in the Legislature cannot be based on their jobs, what else does he expect to find?

I guess we have to look at what these people do outside of their jobs, or what they did before Congress.

Governors are executives, but being an executive doesn't make you perfect for the Presidency.

Personally, I think no one is fit for the Presidency. It's a job outside the reach of any known job when you consider the complexities that exist.

No one but a previous President could declare experience worthy of the title.

So, Hannity is a fool like all the others. It's not experience that really is going to make a difference. It isn't past experience in college or the military that makes the difference.

For me, the President is a representative of the people -much like Congress. They are supposed to be. The right one is one that performs their duty to the people and demands the same from Congress and vice versa.

I prefer Obama for one specific reason. America united. But, I intend to try to get the gang in Congress voted out. The true change must be there.

DONT

You're right. Alligator is spelled with an an "i"

My bad.

But you're wrong about Cleveland Clinic. I took an indigent heart patient there a couple months ago and they took him straight into intensive care . . . no questions asked.

They assigned him a social worker. They got him on Medicare. In the meantime, they saved his life.

I'm talking about an old man who lived in a camper truck on the fringe of All-I-gator Alley.

You're very, very wrong about Cleveland Clinic . . . at least in my neck of the Everglades.

I can't speak for where you live.

I feel like singing right now....'we're going to make it after allllll!'

Rogers, old crony.

I am listening to the very same speech. I'm hearing nothing of the sort. Every dem trots out that "in exchange for foreigh service" crapola -- Clinton did it, Kerry did it. It's all part of the "speak".

Here is what he does, folks: He is successfully appealing to old hippythink. There are a lot of boomers and postboomers who are in love with the notion of a return to idealism and moral relativism. I hate to quote Bubba, but it's a fantasy. It ain't gonna happen.

I stand for that side of the Democratic party that's leaning towards pragmatics. And that *ain't* Obama, kids. I want to see us come about a bit, and learn to work with the machinery we have, not talk about magic contraptions that don't exist, or failed long ago.

It's just a lot of talk, Bom-bom's material. And yet I fear that it will take a lesson for us to realize it. Perhaps he should get his chance, then. And I hope I am wrong. God, how I hope I am wrong on this one.

Obama earned more votes in Virginia than all of the Republican candidates combined.

Horseonovich-

That doesn't even make sense...what you just said is opposite of what is actually happening. Wierd. Very.

Sounds like the pied piper to me, Rcade.

Follow me, I'm the pied piper...trust in me, I'm the pied piper and I'll give you everything .....

At what price?

Like a man wooing a woman to be his wife. I'll give you everything your little heart desires, he says. Then after he has won her, she finds out they will both have to work in order to make ends meet. Never mind the "heart's desires".

Sadly, almost every candidate these days wants to offer a wish list to the voters and they often have little power or desire to follow through. And the voters fall for it time and again.

Obama: Change, just for the hell of it!

Obama will actually get nearly 200,000 more votes than all the Republicans combined in a state that hasn't voted for Democratic President since 1964.

That doesn't even make sense...what you just said is opposite of what is actually happening. Wierd. Very.

Hmm. Very substantial wording ... not!

Care to qualify what you are trying to say? Oh, and while you are at it, please explain to us precisely what it is you are trying to say.

Tell you what, Sir Mikeonovich. You put your argument out there, and I'll do you the honored service of systematically shooting you down piece by piece, until your argument (if you even have one) crashes all around you. Better still, I won't. I'll let the others here do it. I am tired. It's been very exhilirating making my triumphant return here after so may years away. I need rest. Besides, I sense that, like Bom-bom, you speak in clever catch-phrases only, with not a single gram of facts/stats/math/citations to back you up.

Gee, Mike. I can see that you and I may be in for the start of a beautiful friendship.

(Walks together into the mist as the plane carrying Ingrid and her wuss husband off to America)

Aw, shit.

If that underqualified idiot garners the nomination, I have to vote for McCain. I would like the opportunity to put Hillary in La Casa Blanca, but if the only real choice is between Obama and McCain, I have to go with the one who's dry behind the ears.

* Mutters profanities so dreadful, not even rcade should hear them *

We're being sold a box of "Magic Charms."

We may have to make the best of it.

Get prepared.

Now it's time for the fat lady to sing......oh sorry, she's only crying. It's Bill off somewhere tonight with a fat lady.

" Tell you what, Sir Mikeonovich. You put your argument out there, and I'll do you the honored service of systematically shooting you down piece by piece, until your argument (if you even have one) crashes all around you. "

Hi Horace!

Obama: Change for the need of it.

Next, Congress.

Comparisons between Obama and Hitler, and now the pied piper ... tough crowd.

If Hillary wins the nomination, I'm sure she'll be a pragmatic politician who chips away at problems incrementally and acts as if she's achieved major victories, just like her husband. More 50%-plus-1 governance. And lots of ticky-tack bullshit like the false outrage over David Shuster's pimp comment.

Personally, I'd rather have a president who aims higher. Obama has the potential to be a transformative candidate in the same manner that Reagan has proven to be, but in the opposite direction. He's running a masterful campaign. I think it's entirely possible the same skills could be put to use running a country.

I'd rather have Magic Charms than a Retreaded Candidate. Be honest Hillaryites it's really NOT about Hillary getting the Nomination. It's about getting Bill Clinton back in the White House. Your candidate is in fact Bill Clinton with Hillary as the Frontman(Woman)

Larry Mohr

'Night kiddies! I can see we've gotta lotta edumacatin' to be a'larnin' on these heya younguns (many of whom are not so young, just dreamers).

It's time to define what it means to be a Democrat and a Liberal, while we are at it. I will not have my beliefs and ideology commandeered by a dangerous fantasist.

... So while we're all at it, let's establish who and what we are when we talk about ourselves as Democrats. A redefining is in order, methinks.

Lastly, as I prepare to lumber off to my warm bed on this icy upstate night, I find myself in complete agreement with the whore (above). I may actually cross the isle this year. What a sad state of affairs indeed. But at least I would feel a modicum more safe with Mac at the helm. I think Bom-bom may actually be a little nuts.

Go Hillary.

'Night kiddies! I can see we've gotta lotta edumacatin' to be a'larnin' on these heya younguns (many of whom are not so young, just dreamers).

It's time to define what it means to be a Democrat and a Liberal, while we are at it. I will not have my beliefs and ideology commandeered by a dangerous fantasist.

... So while we're all at it, let's establish who and what we are when we talk about ourselves as Democrats. A redefining is in order, methinks.

Lastly, as I prepare to lumber off to my warm bed on this icy upstate night, I find myself in complete agreement with the whore (above). I may actually cross the isle this year. What a sad state of affairs indeed. But at least I would feel a modicum more safe with Mac at the helm. I think Bom-bom may actually be a little nuts.

Go Hillary.

I'm voting for Mike Gravel...shoot that down!

"It's the party that counts, not the person."

Jesus.

"He's running a masterful campaign. I think it's entirely possible the same skills could be put to use running a country."

I got two words for you, rcade.

Jimmy. Carter.

Someone explain it to me:

I was listening to Obama speak and even though I know he was using standard boiler plate Democratic Party rhetoric, I still felt compelled to listen. If Hillary or any other Dem would have been there advocating the same policies I'd be calling them Marxist, and turning the channnel, yet I just loved listening to Obama speak for some reason.

I am sure I am not the only one mesmerized by Obama's rhetoric. Why are we such suckers for people who can speak well?

Considering that this year, the election is the Democrats to lose, I would rather Obama be elected than Hillary. At least I could stand to listen to him give state-of-the-union and other speeches while on the other hand I could not stomach even one minute of Hillary.

well there are pigs flying outside my window and the snow is beginnging to fall in hell......because I am about to say this.

larry mohr......you absolutely correct....

ouch.......its been awhile since I went to the therapist but I better find her number.

I'm not sure why this is a two person race we are talking about....what about Mike Gravel?

Please forgive the double post. Dunno how that happened. Rcade, perhaps you can remove? I did see your response and found it more compelling than your earlier statement. Thanks for that. I will still have to shoot it down, but tomorrow. Tired. Work in am.

Oh ... Hi Bill O !!!

"(Walks together into the mist as the plane carrying Ingrid and her wuss husband off to America)"

*sigh*

I LOVE that movie!!

Oh, Horse:

The Montecore here is not the Montecore you knew over at Cruel.

I will say no more.

Member--Snap out of it!


I should try to find the c-span clip of Obama running the Senate the day he was in charge.

He was a joke--didn't know which end was up and was talking and getting direction from one of the clerks on what he was supposed to do.

He'll do the same thing in the WH if elected. Big If!


Thank goodness the Writers are no longer on strike--can they finish "24"?


Murphy

" If Hillary or any other Dem would have been there advocating the same policies I'd be calling them Marxist"

Well I guess that shows how off the wall libertarianism is. Obama said nothing that could remotely be considered "Marxist."

"I am sure I am not the only one mesmerized by Obama's rhetoric"

No kidding. That guy can deliver a speech alright.

Obama haters,
You better come up with a better strategy than complaining that his supporters don't even know where he stands on the issues. That ain't gettin' it done.

And weren't Bush's stated positions small gov. and no nation building. I'd rather hear philosophies at this point rather than exact policy in his speeches. His detailed platform is articulated on his website-read at the risk of losing your "he does'nt have any positions" crappy argument.

President Obama!
Get used to it.

so they are one step closer to a deadlock and when that happens, then just watch for the lawyers flying all over the place because if obama wins, she will send out to get the votes from florida and michigan and vice versa, of course.

and larry, seriously, the phrase I read and hear is that we dont need bill clinton running around the white house with nothing to do......or is that NOONE to do......
and here is where many of you raging libs might agree with me.

we have had enough clintons and bushs........

I got two words for you, rcade. Jimmy. Carter.

There's no comparison between Carter and Obama. Carter caught the other Democratic candidates unprepared under a new system that elevated the importance of early primary wins. He didn't face any challenger as well-organized or as popular as Hillary Clinton.

If Obama beats Clinton, it will represent a much more substantive achievement than what Carter did.

"Posted by bushlovertwo "

Who the hell left the door open?? Look what the hell creeped in!!!

Hey baby......back from vacation?!

As my mama always said, be careful what you wish for, dudes.

"(Walks together into the mist as the plane carrying Ingrid and her wuss husband off to America)"

*sigh*

I LOVE that movie!!

Posted by Lisa at


okay so the lights ar elow and in my best vocal stylings.

we must remember this
a kiss is just a kiss
la da da da da da.....

as time goes byyyyyyyy

come on lisa baby....pucker up!!!!!!!

Was anyone else a bit uncomfortable listening to McCain after Obama?

"As my mama always said, be careful what you wish for, dudes."

No matter who wins the election, we get an updgrade.

It may not be Marxism--but it is collectivism and redistribution of wealth for the "collective good".

Both Hillary and Obama are for Universal Collectivism.

Is that Marxism?

Murphy

"come on lisa baby....pucker up!!!!!!!"

You're all ass, Bushlover. And I'm not an ass kisser!!!

But....I still missed you!! : )

Hi

actually I was in LA
it seemed that hef was feeling bad and they needed a man with ....shall we say.....my dimensions to help out the girls NEXT DOOR.

Hi

Personally, I'd rather have a president who aims higher. Obama has the potential to be a transformative candidate in the same manner that Reagan has proven to be, but in the opposite direction. He's running a masterful campaign. I think it's entirely possible the same skills could be put to use running a country.

Posted by rcade

a mass of molecules has the potential to be a sun as well but most of the time its a just a bunch of crap.

aim higher for what? a campaign versus actually leading that will be the trick and I dont see it..Bush sucked and I didn't vote for him and the Obamacide drinkers are lapping his crap up too..You guys are the dem version of the Bush supporters in 00.. he can do no wrong in your eyes.

this will go until convention then the dem party LOSES.. way to go losers.

Ever hear the phrase "leader of the free world"? A big part of the job is leadership. Leadership is built on charisma, judgement and experience.

Charisma and judgement do not just accrue with time.

If the knock on Obama is he is great but needs some seasoning that is fine for me. No one really has experience as leader of the free world.

Look at some of the worst Presidents, long time political hacks with lots of favors paid and owed.

Obama is a lawyer, with a lot of experience in the state legislature of Illinois. He only had a couple years in the senate but is a natural leader and a great orator who inspires and wants to unify a divided nation.

That reminds today is Abraham Lincoln's birthday. Lincoln was a lawyer, with a lot of experience in the state legislature of Illinois. He only had a couple years in the senate but was a natural leader who inspired and unified a divided nation.

That is not to say Obama will be Lincoln, but most of your criticisms of Obama were probably hurled at Lincoln when he ran for President.

Twin


Two words for you.


Sat. Tire.

Put them together.

I do not know ANYTHING about Miami at all, made it ALL up. Twas but a joke. A hypothetical.

Maybe I am Carnac?

Flee Hell.

"it seemed that hef was feeling bad and they needed a man with ....shall we say.....my dimensions to help out the girls NEXT DOOR."

What? They ran out of pencils?

Don't know about that, Sully. Could be, only time will tell...

MEMBER:

Yes, I'm hypnotized myself . . . but then I wake up and ask myself who has the brass balls to stop the neo-cons and their quest for eternal war.

I remind myself of the warning "Beware of the Industrial Military Complex.

I remind myself that Obama, though well intentioned, is a neophyte.

I remind myself that we have a counry to save and that this is no time to roll the dice. Maybe later, but not now.

I have to stick with Hillary. Considering what #44 is going to face, I'll put my money on Hillary's brass balls.

The idea that Obama stands for nothing but empty platitudes about hope and change is utterly false. He's speaking right now on issues like getting out of Iraq, providing universal health care, raising teacher pay, ending Bush tax cuts for the wealthy, and giving college students a $4,000 tax credit in exchange for service in government projects like the Peace Corps, foreign service, or charities.

Obama's oratory is not empty. He just ties it together in a compelling narrative that moves people to act.

Posted by rcade


he is promising everyone everything.. where is the f'in money coming from?


100 year seawall around NO?? the netherlands is contemplating giving up large swathes of land and this idiot is going to spend how many billions on a cuity that SHOULD be under water?


here are some more campaign promises from the black jimmy carter:


Top Ten Barack Obama Campaign Promises presented by Senator Barack Obama

10. "To keep the budget balanced, I'll rent the Situation Room for sweet sixteens"
9. "I will double your tax money at the craps table"
8. "Appoint Mitt Romney Secretary of Lookin' Good"
7. "If you bring a gator to the White House, I'll wrassle it"
6. "I'll put Regis on the nickel"
5. "I'll rename the tenth month of the year 'Barack-tober'"
4. "I won't let Apple release the new and improved iPod the day after you bought the previous model"
3. "I'll find money in the budget to buy Letterman a decent hairpiece"
2. "Pronounce the word nuclear, nuclear"
1. "Three words: Vice President Oprah"

I'm with you, twinpac.

aim higher for what? a campaign versus actually leading that will be the trick and I dont see it..Bush sucked and I didn't vote for him and the Obamacide drinkers are lapping his crap up too..You guys are the dem version of the Bush supporters in 00.. he can do no wrong in your eyes.

He who believes in nothing is never disappointed.

Some of you folks are too cynical for your own good. You remind me of teens who are afraid to say which bands they like, in case somebody might insult them for it.

I don't think you have to be a blind idol worshipper to prefer Obama over Clinton or McCain.

"Both Hillary and Obama are for Universal Collectivism."

What a bunch of crazies. So far tonight, Obama has been compared to Hitler, described as a "pied piper," and called a Marxist. Get a grip.

"There's no comparison between Carter and Obama."

I would to God you were correct.

Unfortunately, in both instances, we're talking someone with a lot of "new ideas" without the base and the chops to execute them. Both can be credited with running great campaigns, true. But I don't think Obama has what it takes to get us out of the mess we're in. As I've said here before, politics isn't writing code, it's hacking. It's not enough for Obama to be Prez, because just being Prez ain't enough for anybody, as Ol' Jimmeh could tell you. You have to be able to get things done within an extremely corrupt and intractable system, and that takes a whole lotta log-rollin' and back-scratchin'.

We don't need new ideas so much as we need someone skilled at cleaning up old shit.

DON'T

I know, I know. I was just embarrassed.

Sorry if I over-reacted. Nothing personal.

He who believes in nothing is never disappointed.

Some of you folks are too cynical for your own good. You remind me of teens who are afraid to say which bands they like, in case somebody might insult them for it.

I don't think you have to be a blind idol worshipper to prefer Obama over Clinton or McCain.

Posted by rcade

wow.. just fucking wow..keep chuggin' rcade.

I believe in someone that will be able to get something done.. Some of you folks remind me of teens that think they can pilot space shuttle because they are good at Microsoft Flight..

ain't the same.. believing that you you have the higher ground dont make it so.

I missed you too sweet THANG.....so is everybody else about to throw up or what?????????

hee hee

Member--Snap out of it!

Posted by MURPHY

Yes, I need to snap out of it. I will be voting third party this year, just like I've been doing since 2002. Thank you for waking me up.

I think the Hitler reference was towards Hillary.

Obama is a Hope-monger...;o)



Murphy

Member--

In the CA primary pamphlet--Nader was on the Green ballot and the Peace and Freedom ballot--same with McKinney.

I don't get how that happens--but then about three weeks ago Nader was threatening to run as a third party. He's on the ballot twice.!!

Are you wishing for Bloomberg?

Murphy

Are you wishing for Bloomberg?

Murphy

To be honest, I don't like Bloomberg, he want to tell people what to do too much.

I'll wait till the Libertarian Covention to see who they nominate and start supporting that person.

I never thought I would be cheering on Huckabee, but he is right in saying that there is no reason for him to quit and that the people of the remaining states would be cheated out of making a choice if he quit. As a candidate he is the worst, but I am still cheering him on. Competition is good, it will prevent McCain from getting rusty.

What happened with Edeards?

Will he still endorse Hillary as rumors said he would? I would think not.

OH MY GOD!!!...when CNN flipped from Barack Obama's speech in Madison to John McCain's speech in Whereversville, it was like going from a wild celebration to a wake. McCain makes Fred Thompson look like a party animal!

You Repubs have got a long road to hoe from now until November!

so I dont mean to take anyone away from their required posts, and I certainly dont endorse letterman who hasnt been funny or creative in some time...
but we should all watch it together.......evangeline lilly is on tonight....

who is that you say?
what? libs dont keep up with sports illustrated?????????

OH MY GOD!!!...when CNN flipped from Barack Obama's speech in Madison to John McCain's speech in Whereversville, it was like going from a wild celebration to a wake. McCain makes Fred Thompson look like a party animal!

That answered my question. Yes, it was painful!!

MEMBER

never thought I would be cheering on Huckabee

Cheer on. I'm, also having more fun watching the Republican side.

Look for the Republicans to draft Bob Dole for VP to inject some life into their ticket!

"I never thought I would be cheering on Huckabee,"

Don't cheer to loud, Huckabee is making a good case for a VP slot, I don't know about you but I don't think I want that clown just a few heart beats away from being commander in chief, and McCain is not a young man. VP Huckabee, frightening.

On top of the Drudge Report now:

In the Chesapeake Rout, according to exit polls in Maryland, Obama won:
Latino Voters By Six Points: 53-47
All Religions (Including Catholics)
All Age Groups (Including Seniors)
All Regions
All Education Levels
And Women by TWENTY ONE POINTS...


Translation: Hillary is screwed, momentum is shifting toward Obama and he is demonstrating some strength in categories where he was weak.

realpatriot

FF!

Inject some Viara in the GOP campaign!

LOL!

They went thru the delegate counts for each side and for the Dems--

No matter if Obama wins out the rest of the states--unless he wins 75/25 each time--Obama cannot get the entire amount of delegates needed to win the nomination. They are saying even if he gets 75/25--he can't get the required number.

Same scenario for Hillary. She can win all the rest and not be the best...

As for the Repubs--No matter if Huck takes the rest of the states--McCain still gets across the finish line ahead and with the required number of delegates.


Murphy

ahhhhhhhhhhh, yes, one step closer to a grand old party win!

breaking out the streamers and noisemakers!

wooooooooooooooo-oooooooooooh!

Kucinich on FNC now.

Kukucinich--see any aliens lately?


Murphy

On FNC they are saying that if Obama is now the front-runner, will the media start giving him a hard time now?

Nanc,

Congratulations on your party having more or less crowned their king. But, before you get too excited, you might take a look at the number of votes cast. In both Maryland and Virginia, the Dem runner-up, Hillary Clinton, who was smoked by Obama, had way more votes than McCain in either state. In fact, she had more votes than McCain and Huckabee combined in Virginia...a traditionally Red State. Change is in the air!

Feelings--that's been the Dems problems for their entire existence.

They go with their feelings and out goes commonsense and logic.

But it feels good to promise all these people something that will never happen.

And it feels good to hear these promises. Just look at all the folks eating it up.

Murphy

REAL

I think McCain has already sold his soul.

Condi Rice has already been "assigned" to poor little sell-out McCain.

Granted, it was a terrible price to pay but at his age there aren't any more chances to get the brass ring.

Old people have to take what they can get.

"Condi Rice has already been "assigned" to poor little sell-out McCain."

In other words, the first female African American president will not be elected to the job, but will assume the job when McCains kicks the bucket.

Member--the media LOVES Obama and they won't touch him, challenge him or ask the hard questions.

Like how are you going to change a system in place with the special interests, unions, and bureacracy that has been built up for decades. They are against change because they have been in charge and will continue into decay to keep the status quo--their power.

Look at public schools--Look at MI and Detroit--all run to the ground with arcaine policies that are against change and never will change.

Murphy

Condi Rice has already been "assigned" to poor little sell-out McCain.

Maybe she's the secret mother of his black child.

Well, if Obama and Cheney are cousisn, then maybe McCain are Rice are cousins too?

FF Member!


Murphy

Twinpac,

McCain/Rice...the sellout ticket!

I dare the Repubs to put anybody on the ticket who had anything to do with the Bush Administration. That would be handing the election to the Dems. I think they are more likely to put somebody like Huckleberry on the ticket with McCain to try and salvage the evangelical vote.

I just watched Obama's victory speach on CNN, followed by McCain's victory speach. What a difference. Obama was dynamic and inspiring. McCain, flanked by the old Washington Republican politial flaks, look old, tired and boring. Obama will crush him in a debate.

realpatriot - i have no candy date as i've specified before. i don't party cooler care for pre-arranged marriages.

There are other VP picks other than Huck. Huck is a thorn right now and doing anyone any favors by staying in the race.

There is no mathematical way for Huck to win the nomination--even if he won every remaining state.

He needs to get out. I think he is waiting for McCain to die--because that would be the only way he would get the nomination at this point.

Murphy

Ultra-feminists and rightwingradio both losing. Is this heaven or what?

VR--you could get a job talking into the ear of Anderson.



Murphy

and i'd NEVER VOTE FOR CONDI!

mccain/romney in 08.
it might be the best way to settle things with us conservatives.

Condi is about as likely as General Petreaous--as George Stephaknownothing suggested on Sunday for McCain's running mate.


Murphy

McCain needs help in the south. If Lindsay Graham isn't running this year, so he wouldn't lose his seat if he lost, that would shore up Mac's flank on the right, and a lot of those Clinton voters are blue collar red necks that might even cross over to vote for Mac.

You know, the Macrats.

REAL:

I dare the Repubs to put anybody on the ticket who had anything to do with the Bush Administration.

I know, I know, but these neo-cons have absolute faith (P.T. Barnum) that there's a sucker born every minute and you and I are at the head of the class.

The truth is that the neo-cons have already given up on 2008 and McCain is just a patsy thrown out there to test the wind.

1012 is their goal and Obama is their prey.

Poor guy . . . poor America.

mccain/romney in 08.
it might be the best way to settle things with us conservatives.

BL2,

If that is the best the Repubs can come up with, you all are in bad shape. The only hope for the Repubs in November is for the Dems to nominate Hillary. That would energize the conservatives more than anything short of putting William F. Buckley on the ticket!

And even though I am an ardent Obama supporter, I would not put it past the Dems to shoot themselves in the foot and hand the election to the Repubs by nominating Hillary!

Twin,

The truth is that the neo-cons have already given up on 2008 and McCain is just a patsy thrown out there to test the wind.

1012 is their goal and Obama is their prey.

Poor guy . . . poor America.

No doubt, the neo-cons will set their sights on bringing down an Obama presidency. The planning has already begun, I'm sure. But, I believe that they are underestimating his political instincts. They are Clinton-like, without the personal weaknesses...that will serve him well.

That being said, he still has a long way to go to get to the Dem nomination.

"That being said, he still has a long way to go to get to the Dem nomination."

Don't sweat it. Obama is a lock.

Don't sweat it. Obama is a lock.

Nobody should believe that until he's been sworn in.

please let the obamanation get the nomination...please...please..
.please...

BL2,

I'll see your Evangeline Lilly...and raise you Marissa Miller!!! She is the best lookin' woman money can buy!

Walt had a HEART ATTACK tonight, didn't he?

"Nobody should believe that until he's been sworn in."

He's a lock for the nomination, is what I meant.

Three more for the pied piper.

just saw the first obama texas ad for primary next month and he made a long and drawn out talk about his mother and worrying about how to pay bills instead of battling cancer that she lost.....so is this okay?
I mean you cant use or say one word about chelsea or the wives so its okay to bring us a sad story like this?
so is he just playing on our sympathies or do we really need to know all this? what do you think?

if a republican were to do that I am sure the left would come up with some reason why they shouldnt.
anyway......marisa miller......hhhhhhhmmmmmm

well she's no lisa, but I think she would do in a pinch.

and obama better watch his back....there is a long list of people who have died and have come up missing under mysterious circumstances and with one thing in common.......some link to the clintons.....

just saw the first obama texas ad for primary next month and he made a long and drawn out talk about his mother and worrying about how to pay bills instead of battling cancer that she lost.....so is this okay?
I mean you cant use or say one word about chelsea or the wives so its okay to bring us a sad story like this?
so is he just playing on our sympathies or do we really need to know all this? what do you think?


if a republican were to do that I am sure the left would come up with some reason why they shouldnt.

Did anyone understand any of that?

Unless Hillary does real damn well somewhere (Ohio, last chance?), I doubt there will even be a net increase of ten superdelegates pledging fealty to her. If you haven't pledged now, why would you?

and obama better watch his back....

Although for different reasons, I will agree with that.

"Did anyone understand any of that?"

Nobody understands the gibberish BL2 writes.

Nobody understands the gibberish BL2 writes.

I can't believe that guy used to be a teacher.

Holy Crap!

If you haven't pledged now, why would you?

Lawnchair,

I think you're absolutely right. I think the unpledged superdelegates have gotten the message. If they turn the delegate count upside down they will be committing political suicide for their party. I think they will wait until the convention and vote for the candidate that has the most pledged delegates as chosen by the Dem voters.

Well folks, can you say President McCain....looks like he's the man....

After drinking the KoolAide, you've turned your back on the the person who could give us real hope to turn this country around. You've listened to the media who beat Hillary up day after day. Have you noticed that Obama has been given a pass on everything. It appears that he couldn't even be questioned about his drug use, his real estate dealings, his church affililiation, etc. Yet, Hillary was held up to scrutiny if she pointed her finger the wrong way. MSNBC even went so far as to infer that her daughter was being prostituted because she was campaigning for her mother. This is just how sick the media has become and you have swallowed it hook, line and sinker.

Also, race could not be mentioned in terms of the electorate. Do you think a lot of thought went into 80% of the black vote? That same black vote put a cocaine-using black Mayor in office 2 times in Washington, DC.

Now I know why dems lose elections, they're too stupid to win. Finally, after 60 years on this earth, I will never vote as a Democrat again. Good luck, you will need it.

whatsleft said.

I can't believe that guy used to be a teacher.


HEY IM RIGHT HERE!!!!!!!!

if you cant figure that out, I guess you are just stupid.
obama can talk about his mother but a republican would be seen as pandering or something like that
and chelsea is off limits even as a grown woman but the left can trash the twins to no end.
there, that seems pretty simple to understand....

Now I know why dems lose elections, they're too stupid to win.

Come into the light, brother, and welcome........

When McCain and the Repubs are through with the inexperienced cult figurehead knowm as Obama, the Dems will be looking fondly back at McGovern and Dukakis.

Q: What has he done that shows he has what it takes to lead this country?

A: Charisma matters.

'Nuff said.

Charisma matters. -- rcade

Last 2 times Americans chose charisma over competence, we got Bush.

But it feels good to promise all these people something that will never happen.

And it feels good to hear these promises. Just look at all the folks eating it up.

Murphy

Posted by MURPHY at 2008-02-12 11:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

Kinda like being told by Bush that he will ban gay marriage and end abortion?

Is that the kind of promises you were referring to?

Do you think a lot of thought went into 80% of the black vote?

Probably more than the 60% of the white vote that went to our current White House resident....TWICE!!!

Do you think a lot of thought went into 80% of the black vote?

Probably more than the 60% of the white vote that went to our current White House resident....TWICE!!!

There that's better!

come on real.....go ahead and say it with the rest of them. gore really won in 2000 didnt he? come on and say it. It will make you feel better.

Bushlovertwo-
Who won Washington when the state GOP called it for McCain last weekend?

gore really won in 2000 didnt he?

Not really the point I was trying to make, BL. But, if that's what you took from it, that's your prerogative....I guess.

Do you think a lot of thought went into 80% of the black vote?

Let's try this again, BL, now that you have your Election 2000 deflection out of the way. I think SASS probably doesn't realize that blacks historically vote in a large block. As a voting bloc they voted 90% for Gore in 2000 and 88% for Kerry in 2004. So, by comparison, one could conclude that 80% is not the result of some sort of racial bias on their part. The black Dem candidate this year, Obama, is actually receiving less of the black vote than white presidential candidates have in the very recent past.

Realpatriot-
Why bother:

and obama better watch his back....there is a long list of people who have died and have come up missing under mysterious circumstances and with one thing in common.......some link to the clintons.....

Posted by bushlovertwo at 2008-02-13 12:41 AM |

Bet,

I saw that post earlier. I kinda chuckled when I read it because a very good friend of mine who hates Hillary sent me the worn-out e-mail last week. I went out to Snopes where they do a great job of explaining each of the "suspiciuos disappearances" under "mysterious circumstances". I found out that there is a similar site dedicated to all the "unexplained deaths" of people associated with George W. Bush.

I wonder how BL explains his belief in the Clinton conspiracies but not the Chimp-in-Chief! I don't believe either one but that's just me. Could it really be that our current president is a murderer? Somebody needs to look into this!!!

BLT: mccain/romney in 08.it might be the best way to settle things with us conservatives.

BLT
I agree this would be the strongest ticket for the republicans. By stopping early MR almost guarantees himself the VP slot.
He covers JMC's on the economy and executive experience. With MH still firing up the conservative base JMC has to respond. I see no other republican VP stronger than MR in the general election.
.

MMike-
Um, the former abortionist MA governor ("MR") has dropped out of the race. But maybe since he was declared a "conservative" by Limbaugh, Hannity, et al, you believe it -- as you should.

RP ... Let's try this again, BL, now that you have your Election 2000 deflection out of the way. I think SASS probably doesn't realize that blacks historically vote in a large block. As a voting bloc they voted 90% for Gore in 2000 and 88% for Kerry in 2004. So, by comparison, one could conclude that 80% is not the result of some sort of racial bias on their part. The black Dem candidate this year, Obama, is actually receiving less of the black vote than white presidential candidates have in the very recent past.

RP its not just the % but the #'s showing up to vote. BO got approx . 90% of the african american vote in Md and they made up 40% of the electorate.

it might be the best way to settle things with us conservatives

I think the conservatives' Golden Boy of the last seven years, Chimpy, has settled things for you conservatives. Enjoy the political exile you are about to experience for the next 10 years!

You "conservatives" feel that it is "conservative" to bankrupt the treasury, invade and occupy countries that are no threat, and grant the president any power he wishes to seize.

Forgive me if I can no longer take "conservatives" seriously.

FOSHAFFER: Actually what is happening (at least in Va. Not sure about everywhere else) is that there is MASSIVE cross over from Republicans voting in the Dem primary.

I talked to several (as I am a Rep. as if you could not guess) friends and they all voted in the Dem. primary as a way to insure Hillary would not get to be a choice for President...its not that they like Obama...its that they hate Hillary and are not too pleased with McCain.

I think all you HC & BO supporters should consider the implications of what FOSHAFFER's posted . I'm from the area, and this is what the news is reporting. For you BO supporters what does this mean that republicans are crossing to vote for BO and are inflating his totals while having NO INTENTION of voting for a BO ticket.

FOSHAFFER, I heard on the radio that the rep. turnout in Fairfax County (large republican conservative area) is the lowest ever. That they really went for BO, true?

RP its not just the % but the #'s showing up to vote. BO got approx . 90% of the african american vote in Md and they made up 40% of the electorate.

I still don't see that being a problem or some sort of sign that they are only voting for him because he is black. I think he is charismatic, intelligent, compassionate and has struck a chord with Democrats of all races and genders.

Saying, or implying, that black voters are only voting for him because he is black is selling them short, at best, and insulting at worst.

MMike-
It's rather fun to watch your writhing torment as your political party implodes.

Posted by BetelG at 2008-02-13 04:32 AM
MMike-
Um, the former abortionist MA governor ("MR") has dropped out of the race. But maybe since he was declared a "conservative" by Limbaugh, Hannity, et al, you believe it -- as you should.

BeTeLG: MH has tapped into the evangelical voters, MR has good support among the more moderate conservatives, far more then JMC does. Give me your conservative VP pick.

"("MR") has dropped out of the race". My point exactly, by doing so he shows the party he is a team player,he will not be a spoiler and would be acceptable as a VP.

MMike-
There's no way that McCain will pick Romney as a running mate. I mean, sure, every Republican candidate would love to have a well-tailored abortionist Mormon as a running mate, but it's just not to be.

My VP pick for the Republican candidate - Zombie Reagan or maybe Jesus.

For you BO supporters what does this mean that republicans are crossing to vote for BO and are inflating his totals while having NO INTENTION of voting for a BO ticket.

Man, you guys are grasping at straws but, let's just say for arguments sake, that you may be on to something. For, your argument to make sense, you would have to say that 275,000 Republicans were motivated to vote Dem in favor of BO. That was his margin of victory. Do you really think the crossovers catapulted BO to victory?

Might wanna tap the brakes on that theory, guys!

Obama spanked Hillary so hard today that republicans had little to do with it.

And McCain's VP: Wanna bet it will be "jeb" Bush?

IMHO, I would think Repubs would love to see Hillary get the nod. I think that is the only chance that the Republicans have for winning in November. Hillary on the Dem ticket will energize your base more than any VP selection. And after watching John McCain on TV tonight right after watching OB, you guys need something to energize your base because, as I said earlier tonight, John McCain made Fred Thompson look like a party animal!

Obama would be wise to pick Clark as his VP.

you guys need something to energize your base

I'll donate some money for the cattle prods.

Silly libs. Barack Obama's success is fueled by the votes of cagey Republicans given secret orders by the illuminati alien ghosts of Rush's dreams.

That's all M...mmm.mmmike was saying.

Clark would be good. And since he would be second on the ticket I wouldn't have to consciously vote for someone named "Wesley".

Win/win.

Bet,

I am thoroughly enjoying standing back and watching as Rush leads his minions over the cliff.

I think that, generally speaking, the average conservative voter has no problem with McCain. But, Rush, has injected the same climate of hate within his own party that he has used to try and divide the country as a whole. The Limbaugh brand of neo-Conservatism has run it's course. And thank goodness for that...I'm tired of runaway deficits, 100-year wars and being the laughing stock of the world!

RP: Saying, or implying, that black voters are only voting for him because he is black is selling them short, at best, and insulting at worst.
RP just stated the results in Md. I did not say or imply (voting for him because he is black) anything. Your comparison of the African American vote in (your 03:39 post) the general election, where the choice is between a dem. and a rep. can not be used as an example of the vote between two dems,.in a primary.

Posted by realpatriot at 2008-02-13 03:39 AM
Let's try this again, BL, now that you have your Election 2000 deflection out of the way. I think SASS probably doesn't realize that blacks historically vote in a large block. As a voting bloc they voted 90% for Gore in 2000 and 88% for Kerry in 2004. So, by comparison, one could conclude that 80% is not the result of some sort of racial bias on their part. The black Dem candidate this year, Obama, is actually receiving less of the black vote than white presidential candidates have in the very recent past


Using the logic you use about my post then does it follow that I can post about you ... Saying or implying, that black voters are only voting Kerry '04 (88%) and Gore '02 (90%) is because they are democrats is selling them short, at best, and insulting at worst. NO I do not see that in your post and it was not implied in mine.

MMike-
It's rather fun to watch your writhing torment as your political party implodes.

Posted by BetelG at 2008-02-13 04:55 AM | Reply


What is my political party?

Wesley Clark....hmmm....I'm gonna have to think about that a little bit. His run for the presidency at the height of his popularity was less than inspiring. I like Russ Feingold of Wisconsin.

MMike,

I didn't say that you said or implied anything. I was referring to the following post by SASS made at 1:42.

Do you think a lot of thought went into 80% of the black vote? That same black vote put a cocaine-using black Mayor in office 2 times in Washington, DC

Going back and re-reading my post of 4:54, I could see how you would have made that inference. The first paragraph was a response to your post. The last line was a reference back to SASS.

Sorry for the confusion!

Posted by realpatriot at 2008-02-13 05:08 AM
Man, you guys are grasping at straws but, let's just say for arguments sake, that you may be on to something. For, your argument to make sense, you would have to say that 275,000 Republicans were motivated to vote Dem in favor of BO. That was his margin of victory. Do you really think the crossovers catapulted BO to victory?

Might wanna tap the brakes on that theory, guys!

RP I was just confirming what FOSHAFFER said in his 07:44 post , not a theory it happened in Va. AS to what % increase it was for BO I do not know.

" let's just say for arguments sake, that you may be on to something" ... not on to something IT IS A FACT IN Va.

"Do you really think the crossovers catapulted BO to victory?" ... Of course not. This shows the republican primary voters mentality not mine.

RP No problem, no offence taken I'm new to this will try to read the post better

Mmike,

I read a lot more than I post but, when I do post I like to keep things as civil as possible. There are a lot of very intelligent posters from both sides on this site. Enjoyed our discussion this evening/morning. Even if you were wrong about everything!!!! ;)

Checkin' out. Talk to ya later.

OOPs power went out this ice storm is causing all sorts or problems

RP you say RF with BO, I think the VP selection is the most important pick than at any other time in recent history for both parties.

JMC needs to cover age, economy, executive experience, conservative credentials, even his temper.
I think MR helps him here. There is no way he can go all they way right and pick MH. Can you see him explaining how his greatgreat ... ..grand father had a barbeque 6,000 years ago and served brontosaurus burgers.

HC ... assuming she wins the nomination or it's close or deadlocked there will be tremendous pressure to ask BO. Its' hard for me to see her go anywhere else and hold the party together and win the election.

BO ... assuming it's close or deadlocked there will be tremendous pressure to ask HC, to keep peace in the party ... If he wins out right I think he can excuse HC and go for someone that helps him with foreign experience, national legislative experience, it must be a national/well know figure, no need to be introducing a new resume. Bill R fits the bill but I had some problems with him while he was campaigning. Chris D. would be a good complement to BO. I do not know if RF would have his heart in it that's the feeling I get from him. WC is a great speaker but most people would only see him as a military man. Or does he have to balance his ticket geographically?

McCain can beat Obama. Mcain will pull votes from MOST of the right, plus center. Obama will never be able to maneuver enough towards center to pick up any votes there, his votes will come only from the left.

BTW has anyone ever really noticed( you would have to see a rare revealing picture) just how fat and hideous H Clintons thighs and legs are ?

Is that as shallow as you can be?


Try harder.

Horseonvich, get a life you Cunning Runt.

I like Russ Feingold of Wisconsin.

Posted by realpatriot

That makes one of you.

Did anybody who watched Hil's speech last night notice the guy with the Obama shirt on behind her?

Too funny.

Why did Hillary have a Mexican midget with a sombraro on stage with her last night?

Moreover, is Hillary calling herself a "cow" when she says we need less hat and more cattle?

Vote Clinton -- get Bush.

Posted by CalifChris at 2008-02-12 07:42 PM | Reply

This is the classic statement by a politics junkie.

Chris, take a clue: most people pay no attention until election day. Then they vote on emotion -- not analysis of policy.

Comeon, Taxman give it a rest. This Hillary bashing is getting real old. These personal insults say more about you than about Hillary.

Needed to Win 2,025

Democrats
Feb 12 DelTotal

Obama 1,215

Clinton 1,190

Yesterday she was 30 ahead, today she is 25 behind.

His Super Tuesday Surge broke up against CA, MA, TN, and NJ the same way this will be forgotten over the next three weeks.

It is Playoff Time, a new race to TX, Ohio, and Penn, then the SDs.

May the best woman win.

What personal insults? I guess it is ok for Hillary supporters to call Obama supporters cultist, but when an Obama supporter points out something funny regarding Hillary speak it is Hillary bashing.

May the best woman win.

Don't you mean the best "cow"? All cattle and no hat.

It is Playoff Time, a new race to TX, Ohio, and Penn, then the SDs.
Posted by Corky

I'm glad she feels that way.

Sincerely, Wisconsin.

...blacks historically vote in a large block. As a voting bloc they voted 90% for Gore in 2000 and 88% for Kerry in 2004.

Sounds like something to be proud of, to me. I'm mortified that most of my family members voted for Bush (twice!) and bash Hillary.

Hillary Got Her Ass Waxed Period !!

Another Staff Member Jumpin Ship

His Super Tuesday Surge broke up against CA, MA, TN, and NJ the same way this will be forgotten over the next three weeks.

It is Playoff Time, a new race to TX, Ohio, and Penn, then the SDs.

and Oklahoma and Arizona and North Dakota and New Mexico, and we're going to California and Texas and New York ... And we're going to South Dakota and Oregon and Washington and Michigan, and then we're going to Washington, D.C., to take back the White House! YYYYEEEEHHHAAAWWWW!!!

May the best woman win.

I hope the analysis at the link isn't too.... strenuous... for ya's.

I know Clinton is going to win because you're wrong and I'm smarter than you.

Corky Box_Itch

Obama Not Inevitable

...but Clinton is!

Corky Bowa

It is Playoff Time, a new race to TX, Ohio, and Penn, then the SDs.

and Oklahoma and Arizona and North Dakota and New Mexico, and we're going to California and Texas and New York ... And we're going to South Dakota and Oregon and Washington and Michigan, and then we're going to Washington, D.C., to take back the White House! YYYYEEEEHHHAAAWWWW!!!

May the best woman win.

Posted by LeeAtwater at 2008-02-13 11:18 AM | Reply

That Was So Damn Funny !!

YYYYEEEEHHHAAAWWWW!!!

LOL

-Sarge

Corky...

For Hillary to even LEAD in delegates by the end of the primaries, she needs to win 57% of the remaining delegates total. She will need to gain nearly 60% of the votes in Texas, Ohio, and Pennsylvania while keeping Obama under 45% everywhere else.

It isn't going to happen. Every demographic you touted yesterday went for Obama last night. Americans aren't just picking Obama by a couple points, they're choosing him by RECORD NUMBERS. Hillary fought the good fight, but its time to face facts. She's become Rudy Part II, and I don't mean Notre Dame Rudy, I mean NYC Rudy. Big states aren't enough and they never were. America wants a 50 state President not a 15 state President.

In any other year, at any other time, Hillary would have been a formidable force. This year at this time, America has discovered something even more formidable: the force of an energized electorate fueling a movement toward the future. It just is what it is. Obama is Tiger Woods. There will be no last round comebacks, only more crushing defeats because Obama isn't through yet and he knows this. He will fight and compete until he puts his hand on the bible come January 20, 2009.

And then the REALLY hard part begins.

and obama better watch his back....there is a long list of people who have died and have come up missing under mysterious circumstances and with one thing in common.......some link to the clintons.....

Posted by bushlovertwo

remember Ron Brown? He prolly had something on the clintons and his plane crashed...riggggght

I think all you HC & BO supporters should consider the implications of what FOSHAFFER's posted . I'm from the area, and this is what the news is reporting. For you BO supporters what does this mean that republicans are crossing to vote for BO and are inflating his totals while having NO INTENTION of voting for a BO ticket.

FOSHAFFER, I heard on the radio that the rep. turnout in Fairfax County (large republican conservative area) is the lowest ever. That they really went for BO, true?

Posted by mmike

EXACTLY what is happening.. I know in the south that is the intent. Put in the unwinnable candidate.

But are Republicans missing the FACT that many in their party look at McCain the way some look at Hillary? Do you know how many GOPers won't vote for McCain under any circumstance whatsoever?

Its because of his stance on immigration. I've heard any number of conservatives say this on numerous shows. Whatever numbers that may have voted for Obama yesterday or during the primary will be replaced by others that WILL support him in the general, especially after getting a dose of John McCain's embrace of indefinitely continuing the occupation of Iraq.

Why are Obama and Paul receiving more money from active military than all the other candidates? Because they want to end the war immediately, and many within the military think that its a grand idea as well. We cannot afford to waste money in Iraq and take care of America's needs at the same time. The only ones who haven't gotten the memo appear to be Republican Party members and those that listen to them.

I posted this her and elsewhere on the net the night of Super Tuesday.
So far so good. I feel strongly that the high water mark for the Clintons was Super Tuesday.

Look at the demographics of these states. These are all good states for Obama. Give Obama more time to work the ground game and his grass root movement to carry the race. Super Tuesday was Hillary's best chance to end this race. Just like Sollozzo in the Godfather said "I am the hunted one! I missed my chance."

Washington 02/09 97

Louisiana 02/09 66 C

Nebraska 02/09 31

Maine 02/10 34 C

Virginia 02/12 101

Maryland 02/12 99 C

District of Columbia 02/12 38 C

Wisconsin 02/19 92

Hawaii 02/19 29

Texas 03/04 228

Ohio 03/04 161

Rhode Island 03/04 32

Vermont 03/04 23

Wyoming 03/08 18 C

Mississippi 03/10 40

Pennsylvania 04/22 188 C

North Carolina 05/06 134

Indiana 05/06 84

West Virginia 05/13 39

Oregon 05/20 65 C

Kentucky 05/20 60 C

Montana 06/03 24

South Dakota 06/03 23 C
Obama has a chance to win all of these States and is now ahead in Wisconsin and only 10 points behind in Ohio with a lot of time on the ground in both still left.
Texas can also end up in the Obama column if things break right. In anycase it should be close.
The Clintons had the primary scheduled the way they wanted them and blew it.
Nothing is over yet but the Clintons are in a bad spot.

The Clintons are managing a campaign, Obama is leading a movement.
The difference is ...
us, lets work harder and smarter and change of party and country.

Jesus Horatio Christ.

This just gets worse and worse. My choices are now:

Hillary/Obama: Reasonably acceptable, may not happen.

Obama/Anybody: Absolutely unacceptable.

McCain/Huckabee: Absolutely unacceptable.

McCain/Rice: So far beyond absolutely unacceptable it boggles the mind.

And I thought Bush was a problem.

Al, come here. I wanna talk to you!

Mary-

"Hillary/Obama: Reasonably acceptable, may not happen.

Obama/Anybody: Absolutely unacceptable."

Obviously you've really thought this through. Seeing as how they are nearly identical except on a few issues that absolutely will require compromise with republicans to pass, it begs the question of exactly where you draw the line in the sand, and why?

Nothing is over yet but the Clintons are in a bad spot

Ding dong the witch is dead. The wicked witch...

To all ... in my 6:38am post in an attempt at humor I crossed the line of
my personal rule concerning religion, do not comment , do not discuss.
The delay in getting back right after the post was caused by the ice storm here that put me back in the 19th century (no comment), just got back up and running. I apologize if the post offended anyone.
MMike

But are Republicans missing the FACT that many in their party look at McCain the way some look at Hillary? Do you know how many GOPers won't vote for McCain under any circumstance whatsoever?

Posted by tonyroma


how would guys know ANYTHING? You lost 2 presidential elections in a row to a dolt and cast aside the golden boys spouse in favor of a dreamer..

The independants will vote McCain in the general against Obama..I know many evangelicals that disagree with him but will vote for him over Obama given his uber liberal stances.. period. You guys are setting yourself up AGAIN for disappointment.

Posted by MURPHY at 2008-02-12 11:35 PM
Member--the media LOVES Obama and they won't touch him, challenge him or ask the hard questions.

Like how are you going to change a system in place with the special interests, unions, and bureacracy that has been built up for decades. They are against change because they have been in charge and will continue into decay to keep the status quo--their power.

Look at public schools--Look at MI and Detroit--all run to the ground with arcaine policies that are against change and never will change.

Murphy ... re public schools
On the radio news last night a local (DC metro area) reporter's story was that a high BO campaign official stated they think they have the nomination won. The campaign is working on a release concerning charter schools and creative ways to pay teachers. Sorry no details give, that is all the info I have.

Obama/Anybody: Absolutely unacceptable

WTFO Lady Please Did You Hillary Lie About Debating ?

I Don't Know If You have Been Keeping Score But Obama Has Won 23 out of 35 !!
He Has Just Picked Up Support From Clintons Campaign Manger And Has A Complete Clean Sweep Of 8 Straight States He Has Won.

He Has More Years As An "Elected Official" Than Hillary Period.

So Obama Leading Any Ticket Is A Great One

-Sarge

Is there a reason that CNN continues to distort the true delegate count? Why is it that they won't show the pledged delegate raw numbers without the super delegates which IMO just distorts the picture?

Posted by BetelG at 2008-02-13 05:23 AM
Silly libs. Barack Obama's success is fueled by the votes of cagey Republicans given secret orders by the illuminati alien ghosts of Rush's dreams.

That's all M...mmm.mmmike was saying.

Careful BeTeLG, all electronic communications are being monitored and saved by BushCo. I try not to stutter when I type (shuttering is in our family). You may get a call from those enforcing The American's with Disabilities Act.

"Obviously you've really thought this through. Seeing as how they are nearly identical except on a few issues that absolutely will require compromise with republicans to pass, it begs the question of exactly where you draw the line in the sand, and why?"

Kev:

Here's your answer. Hillary has more resources of experience to draw on when that "compromise with Republicans" thang kicks in, which I agree with you it will. I freely admit that not all Hillary's experience is her own, but she definitely knows who to call upon when she needs to. With Obama, the guy is still exceedingly wet behind the ears, the way Carter was when he went into office all fulla piss and vinegar. Congress quickly developed a habit of handing Carter his ass, because Ol' Jimmeh didn't have a fucking clue how to work within the system.

Considering how much of a mess needs cleaning up from the Bush years, we need both a Prez and a Congress who can work together quickly and effectively (within the limitations of a very flawed and corrupt system, true) to address the damage done by Dubya. We do not have the luxury of electing someone whose speeches exhilarate us, only to find out 90 days after the election that he's forever at loggerheads with Congress.

The really dangeroso thing about an Obama presidency is that all this "new day" stuff is exactly what will bite him in the ass with Congress, which is a bunch of firmly entrenched pols who fuckin'-A intend to stay firmly entrenched, fancy salaries, overprivileged benefits, earmarks, pork, and all. Any real or sweeping changes will be exactly that these legalized thieves will not want to see, and they'll cut his balls off if that's what it takes to protect their turf.

Hillary is a wily old bitch, and I'd be far more comfy with her demonstrated ability to survive and advance her agenda in spite of people frothing at the mouth to stop her. Anyone remember Ken Starr?

Mary...

Are you aware that this is Obama's 7th(?) campaign in the last 12 years and he's only lost ONE? Do you realize that he's still using the same formula that he used to win 5 times already? Are you aware that his legislative experience of 12 years dwarfs that of Hillary's?

He's won 5 different elections where he originally started out as a largely unknown underdog of epic proportions, but once the electorate got to know him he racks up landslide victories. He is nothing like Jimmy Carter. He already knows how to work the levers and has shown his prowess both in Illinois and Washington DC. by getting things done, not just by talking pretty about them.

You also don't seem to understand what Obama is doing in this campaign. From the beginning his goal hasn't been just focused on getting himself elected. His goal is to build a new coalition that will sweep out all the Republicans who've stood in the way of progress from Congress! He won't be a loggerheads with Congress because Congress will be beholden to him for many of them being there in the first place. And those coming along will have already signed onto the movement, something that stymies Dems in Congress as we speak right now.

Why do I think he'll be able to accomplish these things? Mainly because he's done most of them before, and isn't your argument 'experience is the best teacher'? Bingo, Obama's got the experience to turn his inspirational words into concrete solutions that help all Americans if and only if we provide him with the things we need to do as citizens as part of the equation.

"Obama's got the experience to turn his inspirational words into concrete solutions that help all Americans if and only if we provide him with the things we need to do as citizens as part of the equation."

Tony:

You may be right, and you should read that: You may be right. It's just that I am highly, but highly risk-averse this election. After eight years of His Nibs, we absolutely must get an effective and reasonable Prez in there. You think it's Obama. I think it's Hillary. One of us is very possibly wrong, and while that's fine for a discussion board, we cannot afford to have the entire damn country wrong again this go-round.

I remind you that many people in this country were very firmly convinced that Bush would work out okay in 2000. Quite a few of them won't admit they voted for him now.

Again, you may be right. If Obama is elected, I hope to Almighty God you are. Because we cannot afford another mistake.

>> ....That same black vote put a cocaine-using black Mayor in office 2 times in Washington, DC.

And who put a coke user into the current president's office? Funny how "born agains" are always ex coke-heads.

FYI

TR: Are you aware that his legislative experience of 12 years dwarfs that of Hillary's?

Tony
Part of legislative experience includes showing up to vote. Acknowledging they are both running for pres. their numbers could be higher. Comparing them to all the members in congress (Senate & House) their records on Roll Call votes is
BO 7th worst in congress (6 missed more vote) 16.8% missed votes from 2005-01-06 to 2008-02-07
HC 77th worst in congress (76 missed more votes) 6.3% missed votes from 2001-01-23 to 2008-02-07

nothing but sour grapes from phoenix

I don't think Phoenix is aware that Hillary was the wrong one last fall on US policy for Afghanistan and Pakistan, not Obama. The traditional US policy, specifically as it regards a non-responsive Pakistan, was precisely what Obama suggested.

I also don't think that Phoenix knows that Obama has worked OVERSEAS with Dick Lugar, behind the Iron Curtain to secure nuclear materiel from falling into the hands of terrorists. Hillary has no experience in this area, a very important one as it regards US security in this evolving world. He knows the players and is intimately involved in the process so vital to global peace and anti-terrorism efforts.

Obama has also authored and passed more substantive legislation both in the US Senate and the Illinois legislature than Senator Clinton. He authored the strictest ethics bill in the history of the Congress and championed the passage of the Illinois version of SCHIP that brought 150,000 children healthcare. He brought police and civil libertarians together in passing a needed law where all interrogations are now videotaped, protecting both suspect's and victim's rights and eliminating cases being thrown out in court over police misconduct.

Unfortunately when assessing Senator Clinton's legislative history all one finds is legislation on video game ratings and naming various post offices for heroic US individuals. These are just facts, and the truth is Obama has done far more than just lay out an aggressive agenda, he's put his energy behind getting things accomplished at every stop of his meteoric rise through American politics.

There is no reason to believe that he'd be any less successful as the President.

MMike...

Obama is running for POTUS. His record is no different than any other representative that has to campaign across America. Your point is moot when compared to all historical records.

What is hard to fathom is the fact Hillary, while in the neighborhood, didn't show up to Congress for the FISA vote Tuesday which gave the telecoms immunity retroactively for Bush's illegal wiretapping. I'm more concerned with specific legislation than I am touting statistics that don't necessarily tell the most important story in missing critical votes.

Tony,


What is hard to fathom is the fact Hillary, while in the neighborhood, didn't show up to Congress for the FISA vote Tuesday which gave the telecoms immunity retroactively for Bush's illegal wiretapping.

That was undoubtedly by design.

Without having to vote on the issue, she can pretend to be for it or against it, depneding upon whom she is trying to pander to.

I give your boy credit for making his position clear.

I don't think Phoenix is aware that Hillary was the wrong one last fall on US policy for Afghanistan and Pakistan, not Obama.

Could you be specific, Tony? What was "the wrong one"?

The traditional US policy, specifically as it regards a non-responsive Pakistan, was precisely what Obama suggested.

What are you saying? That he's just echoing the Bush administration's policy here? I think change would be a good thing!

I also don't think that Phoenix knows that Obama has worked OVERSEAS with Dick Lugar, behind the Iron Curtain to secure nuclear materiel from falling into the hands of terrorists. Hillary has no experience in this area,...

This is what bothers me most. I want to believe that while he may be green, he is a quick study. But this is an issue where he does have a lot of experience, and he still does not have a basic understanding of the issues -- he's promoting the Non-Proliferation Treaty as a solution to the potential problem with Pakistan. But Pakistan never signed it, went nuclear while it was in effect, and through 2005 the head of its nuclear program (AQ Khan) was disseminating technology to Libya, Iran and North Korea. Everyone with even a cursory familiarity of proliferation issues KNOWS this; Obama's answer of "NPT" and "the traditional U.S. policy" suggests that he is not among them.

Moreover, the current concern (in the wake of Bhutto's assassination) is that Pakistan will slip into chaos and no one will be in charge. This is why Clinton's answer -- which included negotiations for Musharraf, the U.S. and Britain to share responsibility for keeping Paki nuclear materiel and technology safe -- is so much smarter.

I also don't think that Phoenix knows that Obama has worked OVERSEAS with Dick Lugar, behind the Iron Curtain to secure nuclear materiel from falling into the hands of terrorists. Hillary has no experience in this area,...

AND ANOTHER THING. :-) Your paragraph paints a great visual -- as if Obama was some sort of heroic undercover cop who went overseas, infiltrated the bad-guy network, tapped on walls in dank basements until he found hollow spots, then kicked them in and retrieved the Holy Gr... I mean materiel, and triumphantly returned it to safe stockpiles.

I love this story. It's truly inspirational. Add it to the Indiana Jones series and I may go see it twice.

Unfortunately, his job as President would be to decide wonky nuclear policy issues. In that vein, he has said he would pursue the "goal of a world without nuclear weapons." Again, inspirational. Makes me all warm and fuzzy -- kinda like "Iraqis will greet us with flowers and chocolates." But security experts will tell you this is the most dangerous strategy we could follow -- as the number of nukes is drawn down, whoever holds the few remaining is that much more powerful. Do you want to gamble that North Korea and Iran don't have some hidden somewhere while the U.S. and our allies destroy ours?

Stop trotting out his years here, his travel there, or his endless list of sunny platitudes. I want to see that he has solid answers for the critical issues he will face as President.

I also don't think that Phoenix knows that Obama has worked OVERSEAS with Dick Lugar, behind the Iron Curtain..

Also, I'd drop the "Iron Curtain" reference. It fell over 15 years ago, about the time Obama was finishing law school. It was that whole "dissolution of the Soviet Union" thing.

Tony
BO was there AND DID NOT VOTE ON FINAL PASSAGE OF THE BILL.

Obama is running for POTUS. His record is no different than any other representative that has to campaign across America. Your point is moot when compared to all historical records.

HC is also runnig BO still has the 7th worst record in congress.

His record is no different.. Link ?

I rather that HC was there but the vote failed 67-31.

I think there is something wrong with me. Maybe there was something extra in my Flue shot this winter because no matter what I do I just cant seem to catch Obama fever.

TR:Obama has also authored and passed more substantive legislation both in the US Senate and the Illinois legislature than Senator Clinton.

Need fact check on this one as far as to the senate. Link?

TR: Unfortunately when assessing Senator Clinton's legislative history all one finds is legislation on video game ratings and naming various post offices for heroic US individuals...

PLEASE

This is the kind of posts I was referring to when I said BS.

TR: Obama is running for POTUS. {so is HC} His record is no different {wrong it is worse than HC}than any other representative that has to campaign across America. Your point is moot when compared to all historical records.

forgot to add ... compared to the historical record HC has a better voting record

Check out all the bills Hillary sponsored. Her running as the "experience candidate" is the definition of irony.