You want someone with the right vision, the right plans and ability to get the job done.

When asked by TV host Charlie Rose whether Obama was "more symbol than substance," he responded: "I get tickled watching him. He's got great skills."

Obama has the right vision, the right plans and the ability to get the job done. In fact, I think he outshines Hillary in the last category precisely because of those "great skills," the kind of skills Bill himself had.

Would that be black smoke? and what's that mirror for?

Good call Jomama! I never looked at it like that. Fits into the Clinton's ongoing narrative, doesn't it?

It's a gift.

I posted this over at "Hillary's Texas Fantasy"



"all the rest is smoke and mirrors," Clinton said in reference to his wife's more charismatic rival.


Thanks, Bill (I did not Inhale) Clinton, for reminding us of Obama's smoking habits, not to mention his smokey complexion.

You are so subtle.

Posted by sitdown at 2008-02-12 12:38 PM |

And then got called paranoid by....... Corky (lol)

And then got called paranoid by....... Corky (lol)

Not paranoia at all, Corky:

"Smoke and mirrors"

"Hasn't done the SPADEwork"

"The RACE is on"

All deliberate Clinton phraseology. Don't pretend it isn't.

Posted by sitdown at 2008-02-12 01:01 PM | Reply

It's a gift.

Consider yourself blessed then....

I do!

Outside of those traits, "all the rest is smoke and mirrors," Clinton said in reference to his wife's more charismatic rival.

I guess I need to read it in its full context.

The smoke and mirrors comment could be in reference to ALL the campaigns, including Hillary's.

How is this in reference to Obama specifically?

The BJ was one of the stupidest things any president ever pulled off... he may as well cap it off by helping to lose Hillary's bid. Arrogant butt.

You have to decide what makes the best president. You want someone with the right vision, the right plans and ability to get the job done. If that's the test, I don't think the question is close."

Outside of those traits, "all the rest is smoke and mirrors," Clinton said in reference to his wife's more charismatic rival.

Its right ther in black and white MP.

Now, top it off with what Clinton supporter Gov. Ed Rendell just said:

"You've got conservative whites here, and I think there are some whites who are probably not ready to vote for an African-American candidate."

And I believe we've got the Daily Double of foot-in-the-mouth statements. What says you?

i like smoke
and mirrors.. on midgets heads

I agree with Ed's statement. There are a lot of white people in this country that would note vote for a black candidate. Those people are still pissed that they have to share drinking fountains with them.

Are you disagreeing with him?

When facts are out of bounds, we are all in trouble.

Its right ther in black and white MP.

Black and white huh? Nice!

Now does that make you racist? Or only if a Clinton says it?

Back to Smoke and Mirrors comment.

Wouldn't Hillary's bouts of tears fall into this category?

How about a former President stumping for her. Smoke and Mirrors right?

One could take from his words that there is a lot of smoke and a lot of mirrors in these campaigns and what the voters need to do is weed through all of it, from all the candidates and discover the substance of each campaign.

But again, I would like to see the entire context of his words before I jump on the:

"*Sniff* He's Picking On Poor Obama" bandwagon.....

Try this one Bill..... It's much more pc...... He's all sizzle and no flavor...... much like your bride and the McCaininites.

Manypaths...

I don't disagree with the statement, but its coming from the leader of a state, not an ethicist or philosopher. Another way of looking at it is he tacitly said, "Hillary will win in my state because so many voters are bigots and racists that will never vote for an African-American." Obama has said the same things himself, but he followed it with, "Those people wouldn't be voting for me anyway, so what does it matter?"

Thats my point, it need not be said. All it does is illuminate the differences between us not any issue or policy that brings us together. Watch and see if Hillary's numbers don't drop due to his comments.

Bill is not actually that clever.
"smoke and mirrors" is a very common phrase.

BTW both campaigns on the Dem side have zero subsance , it's just about attracting votes and being the anti-bush, i stand for CHANGE candidate.

Can anyone name one specific stance on an important issue from any one of these freaks? I mean aside from GET OUT OF IRAQ....if you are going to name that stance, can you tell me their whole logic and alternative course that they have planned?

"All deliberate Clinton phraseology. Don't pretend it isn't."

This latest comment of Bill Clinton's is pretty bad but those others that SITDOWN mentions....sorry.....you got to want so badly to think that Clinton is a racist to buy into that nonsense....you could tear almost any comment apart by those standards.
My bet is that the Clintons are feeling a little desperate, trying to kick it up a notch. I don't think it will help, Hillary should save as much of her dignity as possible and get out of the race.

You have to decide what makes the best president. You want someone with the right vision, the right plans and ability to get the job done. If that's the test, I don't think the question is close."

Outside of those traits, "all the rest is smoke and mirrors," Clinton said in reference to his wife's more charismatic rival.

what to make of the crying........

either:
A)the tears are genuine and so then the conclusion is she does not have the emotional fortitude to handle the emotional stress of the job

OR

B) the tears are the phony construct of a vapid spoiled brat who will do anything to get what she wants including stoop to the level of crying like a baby.

Sorry for the repeat post but TR and I started discussing this here:

What I read him saying is:

2.5% of the people who voted for me over Lynn Swann did so based on his skin color.

Is that far fetched?

That 2.5% of PA voters are prejudiced based on skin color.

I'll bet a larger % blacks in the Southern states voted with skin color in mind.

I have no idea why he would state this, but to attack him for the reality of the situation is crazy.

Instead of trying to persuade voters to back his wife, he instead demeans and miscategorizes her opposition ...

Posted by tonyroma at 2008-02-12 12:18 PM | Reply

Tony, this is the man that invented the "politics of personal destruction"

"Tony, this is the man that invented the 'politics of personal destruction' "

I thought that was Karl Rove?

"Clinton emphasized Hillary Clinton's experience in the Senate and her days as first lady, asserting that she helped win peace in Ireland and achieve rights for women in Senegal."

it's time to release her record, if she's trying to run on her record!

My bet is that the Clintons are feeling a little desperate, trying to kick it up a notch. I don't think it will help, Hillary should save as much of her dignity as possible and get out of the race.

Posted by danni

Danni, it's what she's been put on earth to be...POTUS. She isn't going to go away quitely. And I'm sure she doesn't want her campaign to appear racist. It's unfortunate she's running against a Black man. I'm sure she wished otherwise at this point.

Bill, you gotta be just a little more specific.

Smoke and mirrors, in what way?

I saw somewhere today that said this "she has been tested in hard fought senate races" WHAT? Since when was she in any such "hard fought" races? Please someone 'splain this one to me Lucy?

PS) Fox just called Virginia for Obama, white vote 50/50.

It's great watching all the clinton defenders all of a sudden turning on them.

Try this one Bill..... It's much more pc...... He's all sizzle and no flavor......

Posted by Kris_P_Bacon at 2008-02-12 05:50 PM | Reply

What about these?


"All schuck and no jive ...."

"All chicken and no biscuits ...."

"All Cadillac and no white walls ...."

If the Clintons keep it up, sooner or later one of them is bound to stick.

Gee Bill I don't know about your accusations here but when you were Arkansas Governor you made lots of money off what was later called the "Arkansas Prisoner's Poison Blood Scandal" and you're still in the process of being sued over that HIV,Hep C contaminated blood scandal,that crippled or killed thousands of unwitting patients in Europe and Canada.
Also Bill the country knows what your pastimes are with Flowers,Lewinsky and many more plus what you liked to do in the Oval Office when you were supposedly alone and making those big,important decisions for America! Then theres that Presidential Pardon you granted/sold to Marc Rich and etc.etc.
Anyways Bill your criminal proclivities are now a well known public record whereas Obama is still a novice as far as big time corruption is concerned.

Clinton's "smoke and mirrors" talk sure seem like a case of the pot calling the kettle black to me.

I thought that was Karl Rove?

Posted by Jomama at 2008-02-12 06:18 PM | Reply

Rove refined it to an art, but Bill invented it in Arkansas long ago

Bill invented it in Arkansas long ago

You're forgetting that he worked on Johnson's Campaign. You know, where they ran the nuke your baby girl ad. Yep, that was the beginning of Flower Power.

Bubba looks like a possum but he's all swamp rat.

Yeah Obama's smoke and mirrors alright...he smoked the hell out of Hillary in VA, DC, & MD.


I don't mean to offend anyone but did you see McCain's speech? The backdrop looked like a geriatric convention. No way that's going to succeed.

Early returns show Obama at 68% in Maryland to Clintons 30%.

OK For the record I do not want McCain to win the Presidency. That being Said I find it HeartWarming that an Old Geezer is ahead in the Presidential Race. Too many folks write off the ELderly and declare oh they are too old to matter. They are too old to give a shit about. Oh and the REAL Tickler for Me is seeing His 93 Year old MOTHER Campaigning with Him. If that just doesn't Warm Your heart nothing will.

Larry Mohr

I just heard Sean Hannity on the Opie and Anthony show and Hannuty was going off about Obama's lack of foreign policy.

I'm not trying to make this a Bush Bash thread, but seriously, what foreign policy did he have? He was governor of TX and couldn't even pronounce the names of many foreign leaders. He also bragged that he had never left the country before coming president.

Also, what foreign policy experience did Bill Clinton have? He was gov of Arkansas!

I just heard Sean Hannity on the Opie and Anthony show and Hannuty was going off about Obama's lack of foreign policy.

I'm not trying to make this a Bush Bash thread, but seriously, what foreign policy did he have? He was governor of TX and couldn't even pronounce the names of many foreign leaders. He also bragged that he had never left the country before coming president. --Commonsense

Touche. Some of us think this is a bad time for another Prez who knows nothing about foreign policy.

It is inconcievable that a ham sandwich could fuck up our position in the world more than Bush. Our economy is in decline. Shrub thought he could impose our way of life on others by force and make a buck to boot.

Well, someone made a buck, but Iraq hasn't bowed to the Shrub and neither has Afghanistan. Meanwhile, Iran's position continues to improve while a real nuclear threat, Pakistan, comes apart at the seams.

Mr. "Bring'em on" has brought a heap of trouble on us. The only constant is that the Palestinians lives are more miserable than ever. Isn't hedgemony wonderful?????????

smoke and mirrors as opposed to "mirrors and smoke" he meant to say...i'm thinkin'...

Had he been allowed to return to the U.S. in a timely manner he probably could have helped avoid the Katrina failure.

Hahahaha! And he could have prevented AIDS, closed Gitmo, and saved the world from Muslims, too! You need to start drinking other fluids besides kool aide.

Bill Clinton gave us NAFTA and GAAT and pushed for China to get favored nations status.

Once those blue color voters figure out it was the Clintons that sent their jobs to China Ohio and Pennsylvania will go for Obama too!




The Clintons are managing a campaign, Obama is leading a movement!

I'd go with "moron", since he can spell.

I think one of the problems is that BC is in national presidential race mode. A great speaker and could get away with what he say if he was talking about a republican, some of you dems. might say go BC, but not in your parties primary. Who cares if you piss off the other parties voters, you do not get them any way. Do not give your primary opponent, surrogates,republicans,media, etc, whom ever, a chance to to use your remarks against you, pissing off your own constituents.

You have to decide what makes the best president. You want someone with the right vision, the right plans and ability to get the job done. If that's the test, I don't think the question is close."

You also want somebody who can actually win the erecetion and Hillarity is most defintitely not that person. Her support is from aggressive, selfish people who are ready to get into a fight with those of us who don't like her. "Divisive" is the defining term for her campaign. Divide and conquer is her strategy, it's all she can hope for. But she and her supporters can't see past their noses and just will not give in, will not compromise for the greater good. And Bill is an anchor around her neck.

"Smoke and mirrors"?

From one politician to another that is the ultimate compliment and recognition of executive ability.

I thought that was Karl Rove?

Posted by Jomama at 2008-02-12 06:18 PM | Reply

Yes, of course you believe that. It's what the Clintons would have you believe. And you are an obedient litle puppy.

SIT! ROLL OVER! SPEAK!

"Cookfish, this comment alone illustrates your lack of education and inability to understand even simple concepts -or, at a minimum express yourself clearly.

Perhaps you meant: "Islamic extremists" instead of "Muslims?""

I would think Muslims is correct. Why- can you define the difference? Oh, is it the masses of "Muslims" who have come out with a strong stance against terrorism?

Don't fool yourself,you poor PC dreamer! don't worry PETREAUS WILL PROTECT YOU FROM GETTING YUR A** BLOWN UP

That Kohl Center was filled with alot of smoke and mirrors last night.

can you just hear the late night conversation between Bill n Hill 'bout 'Bama...

'Cause when we get behind closed doors
Then she lets her hair hang down
And she makes me glad that I'm a man
Oh, no-one knows what goes on behind closed doors
Behind closed doors

Bill, you're not going to like this latest smoke-and-mirrors et-tu-Brute thingy:

Clinton Ex - Campaign Manager Backs Obama

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: February 13, 2008
Filed at 11:22 a.m. ET

COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) -- The man who served as national manager of former President Clinton's 1992 campaign plans to endorse Sen. Barack Obama, an aide to Obama said Wednesday.

Obama's campaign planned a 1 p.m. conference call Wednesday to announce the endorsement by David Wilhelm, who later became chairman of the Democratic National Committee, according to an aide who spoke on condition of anonymity because the announcement would be made public later in the day.

Wilhelm planned to tell reporters that Obama can build a coalition of Democrats, independents and Republicans needed to win the general election.

Wilhelm is a superdelegate who was previously uncommitted in the race. His endorsement helps Obama in the race for delegates, in which he pulled ahead after Tuesday's sweeps of primaries in Virginia, Maryland and the District of Columbia. Clinton remains considerably ahead in superdelegates, which are party officials, elected officials and others who can vote however they choose at the nominating convention.

If the race for pledged delegates based on outcomes in caucuses and primaries across the country remains tight, superdelegates could decide the nomination.

Obama leads the delegate race with 1,224 to 1,198 to Clinton, according to the latest count by The Associated Press.

I hope they (Dems) go to the SD's. It will ruin the party. And they deserve it.

Any party that's so untrusting of ther voters that they have to institute "Super" delegates deserves such a fate.Chicago! Chicago!

At least Obama admitted he inhaled!

If anyone knows about smoke , mirrors and lies , it would be the clintons , they are the masters .

hillary and obama should be made to take a test on the U.S. Constitution andthe Bill of Rights , same goes for mccain .
If one of them scored in the 20 percentile range I would be surprised .

It should be a requirement to pass a test with 90% grade or higher of U.S. Constitutional law to hold a federal gubment office or Supreme Court , and if you run for office in a state , to pass that state's constitution .

hillary , obama , mccain further proves , " garbage in , garbage out " .
This country does'nt owe any of them diddly jack shit .

so thats what the black smoke monster is on LOST. I didnt relize Obama was on that show

The Clintons are managing a campaign, Obama is leading a movement!

Posted by maxmcgloin

too bad it is a bowel movement.

If one of them scored in the 20 percentile range I would be surprised .


It should be a requirement to pass a test with 90% grade or higher of U.S. Constitutional law to hold a federal gubment office or Supreme Court , and if you run for office in a state , to pass that state's constitution.

You indeed are a nut and idiot combined. Barack Obama was a Constitutional Law professor at the University of Chicago and a civil rights attorney.

Yeah, he doesn't know a thing about the damn document, does he?