Hillary's only hope in February is Wisconsin where she's recently polled 10 points ahead...

Next month and the following ones look more favorable for her, unless Obama takes momentum from February into those races.

I really don't see Obama ahead in Va. Va is known for many things, being progressive is not one of them.

Hillary's ahead in Wisconsin? Everyone I've talked to from my home state is polling for Obama, even the Republicans (who really don't like Hillary). I think Hillary's seen her best days. We'll see how the superdelegate thing plays out. I'd put my money on Obama to win Wisconsin.

Everyone I've talked to from my home state is polling for Obama, even the Republicans (who really don't like Hillary).

The Talk Radio boys in Wi. are saying Republicans need to vote for Hillary so we can kick her ass in the General Election. And based on the other chioce being McCain, I can see that happening.

Polls haven't exactly been reliable. Wasn't Hillary down 13 in California, before winning it? And wasn't Obama leading in NH, before she won that one too?

The Repubs I talked with are too afraid she'll actually win the general election, observing the current state of the Republican party. They also like him as a sincere, real guy. We'll see how it all plays out next week.

Virginia not progressive? Check your facts pal, but oh wait, that would really be going out there for most of the people that post on this site.

Virginia not progressive? Check your facts pal, but oh wait, that would really be going out there for most of the people that post on this site.

Posted by MRWEST

MRWEST, you wouldn't happen to be from VA would you? Just a guess.

Why is Obama (which is the American basterdization of "Osama".... same name) even running?

Everyone knows that Amreeka will never have a black fellow for Prez.. and never a woman... never a poofter (which I agree with btw)... never anyone Jewish or Muslim... and no Latinos and no Injuns.

All you always elect are pricks with some character defect.

Go home Obama/Osama... sleep it off. You ain't got no chance.

Tell me Mr West, Is Va still going house to house looking "illegal occupancy" (more than one family unit) targeting illegal aliens in Fairfax and Prince William counties?

Tell me Mr West, Where did they locate the work center for hispanics after being kicked out of loudon county. Of course no prejudice was involved, just focusing on obeying the law. wink wink.

Tell me Mr West, Do you still have $1000.00+ (for 20 mph over limit) speeding tickets in Va?


Yes Mr West, Va is known for many things, begin progressive is NOT one of them.

Why is Obama (which is the American basterdization of "Osama".... same name) even running?

Everyone knows that Amreeka will never have a black fellow for Prez.. and never a woman... never a poofter (which I agree with btw)... never anyone Jewish or Muslim... and no Latinos and no Injuns.

All you always elect are pricks with some character defect.

Go home Obama/Osama... sleep it off. You ain't got no chance.

Posted by Tosser


Troll alert.

Actually no, I spent time on various navy bases there as a kid, but I've always called the District home. So your attempt to bring potential bias to the forefront is admirable, but it still doesn't address the ignorance of your statement. It is possible to believe that those of you (many who are frequent posters) who like to make overarching statements concerning things that you have no clue about might believe that Virginia isn't progressive because it was a part of the Confederacy or it has relatively liberal gun ownership laws, has voted Republican the past few general elections, and oh wait, grows tobacco...Giving you the benefit of the doubt (and trust me at this point its a challenge), maybe you see Republican and Confederacy and draw your conclusions from history, thus completely destroying any notion that the state could be progressive, or maybe even educated, which could be fair, but probably just proof of your lack of intelligence (for which we can forgive you, because it seems to be a common theme within the limits of open posting websites). But there I go again, stating the obvious when I could just be making you look even more like an idiot by providing supporting evidence as to how Virginia might just be a wee bit progressive. Which state elected the first African American Governor? VA, The past two governors have been Democrats, the Democratic party controls one half of the legislature and soon will control both of the seats in the US Senate (if Mark Warner can manage not to screw up). So look at that, even if I do use your definition of progressive (that being anything related to the Democrats) it still looks pretty good. So before I return to more pressing things in my life, yes I am a Democrat, two I think Obama is going to clean up here, and three (and I know this is just wishing) before you attempt to make a statement again, make sure you can back up what you write (try using google).

And as for speeding tickets, if you'd check that one, you'll see its soon to be repealed.

but it still doesn't address the ignorance of your statement.

I never made any statement. I just read your response and wondered if you were from the area as you seemed to be pretty upset. I think that comment was meant to be directed towards Fresno.

And as for speeding tickets, if you'd check that one, you'll see its soon to be repealed.

Posted by MRWEST at 2008-02-12 10:23 AM |


Well I guess 1 out of 3 is the litmus test.

Yes... easy to say "troll alert" than face reality, right?

Hey, you guys know his dad was some kind of failed Muslim?

So Obama has three strikes against him as far as the average American is concerned... One: he is black ... Two: he had/has some sort of Muslim in the family... and Three: his middle name is "Hussain" (like in Sadam Hussain).

Seeing how much bigoted the average American has become in the last ten years, this guy doesn't stand a chance of being President down the line.

So why bother and waste everyone's time? I don't get it? Why is he being stupid? Even Hillary... she should be smart enough to know nobody like her either?

"Seeing how much bigoted the average American has become in the last ten years"

And, exactly how many years, in the last ten, have you spent in America?

VA has a democratic governor, and we will soon have two democratic Senators, so we can't be all that bad.

Let's see. The guy is born of a Muslim father who had a Muslim father who was also born of a Muslim father who was also born of a Muslim father.

He's named Barak Hussein Obama.

According to Webster

Barak = a military comander who, with Deborah, destroyed the Cananite army under Sisera. Judges 4

Baraka = N. Islam. a spiritual power believed to be possessed by certain persons, objects, tombs, etc.

Hussein = Arabian caliph, the son of Ali and Fatima and the brother of Hasan.

Troll bait snagged, Tosser's caught himself some pork!

Prepare yourselves crackers....A brother will become President in less than a year

Hillary's only hope in February is Wisconsin where she's recently polled 10 points ahead...

Saw a poll this morning that has Obama up 11. Now I highly doubt he's up 11, but he's not down 10.
Obama's holding a massive rally in Madison tonight, and has a week to campaign.

He'll carry the state better than 55-45.

Prepare yourselves crackers....A brother will become President in less than a year

Posted by jcash at 2008-02-12 01:13 PM | R

Not if Jesse and Al and the rest of victocrats start jumping on the Obama bandwagon.They will be his kiss of death.

Bringing AL and Jesse to whites is like Pavlov ringing the dinner bell.

"The guy is born of a Muslim father who had a Muslim father who was also born of a Muslim father who was also born of a Muslim father. "

None of which he had anything to do with.

But as long as that's the bar, can we bag him on his big ears next? I mean...what's with those satellite dishes?

what am I missing. Why don't I get it. Hope is nice but I want action. Change is great if you change the right things. Yes we can. No if your elected you have to do it. I am not getting elected into office. Someone school me before November. Help me I want to believe....

"Change is great if you change the right things."

You mean "change we can believe in" is not specific enough for you, Stuart?

Bringing AL and Jesse to whites is like Pavlov ringing the dinner bell.

Posted by fresno500 at 2008-02-12 01:46 PM |

Not that I could ever vote for a Democrat... But Obama is scaring the hell out of the likes of Al and Jesse. Not to mention the NAACP, The Congressional Black Caucus and Company. Obama is the complete opposite of these racist groups. Which is why they are silent or back the Hildabeast.

Change what. Each of the canidates uses "Change" it but I dont get it. maybe its me......

"The guy is born of a Muslim father who had a Muslim father who was also born of a Muslim father who was also born of a Muslim father. "

None of which he had anything to do with.

Of course if you change the religion to Mormon and Romney.....

Each of the canidates uses "Change" it but I dont get it. maybe its me......

Posted by stuart46

Spare change, man?

Crispee...

Jesse Jackson was one of the first prominent blacks to back Obama. He's been on board since at least last spring or summer, long before the primary voting started.

The CBC are politicians, so they're connected to the Clintons, but many have come out as Obama supporters too.

You are right in one sense: Obama represents the "new" of trans-racial politics and I believe everyone will benefit as race becomes only an identifier, not an issue. Even the old guard sees this coming. They are as hopeless in stopping it as Hillary is proving to be. The voting patterns show America is a different place than likely either you or I would have bet only a few months ago. We have come further than I ever thought I'd see in my lifetime and it makes me very positive about my children's future in true meritocritous America.

Obama is the complete opposite of these racist groups. Which is why they are silent or back the Hildabeast.

Pretty much questions their victim status. The whole Democratic Party is the same way.

If you fit in one of their boxes and you mind your P&C's there's something for you.

The Clinton's are relying on that bribery to get the votes.

Tony,
I am curious why he hasn't been labled or called names such as someone like Michael Steel. He is anti black establishment, he doesn't blame "Whitey" for everything. How is he different than say someone like Steele or Keyes? Other than the little 'd' next to his name.

Speaking of race only being an identifier, Tony. Why do you suppose Obama chooses to allow himself to be largely identified as an Arican American rather than just an American? He is, after all a hybrid, is he not?

Special privilege?

I'm disgusted that the liberal democratic party has turned this entire election into an affirmative action mandate.

Obama's real position on Iraq.



Q: Will you pledge that by January 2013, the end of your first term, there will be no US troops in Iraq?

A: I think it's hard to project four years from now, and I think it would be irresponsible. We don't know what contingency will be out there. I believe that we should have all our troops out by 2013, but I don't want to make promises, not knowing what the situation's going to be three or four years out.

Source: 2007 Democratic primary debate at Dartmouth College Sep 26, 2007

Tony,
I am curious why he hasn't been labled or called names such as someone like Michael Steel. He is anti black establishment, he doesn't blame "Whitey" for everything. How is he different than say someone like Steele or Keyes? Other than the little 'd' next to his name.

First off, Obama really is an AFRICAN-AMERICAN, his father was African and his mother was American. It defines just who he is at least as it regards his heritage. Would you only call yourself an "American" if your father wasn't native born?

I'm disgusted that the liberal democratic party has turned this entire election into an affirmative action mandate.

No one has done anything of the sort. Show me where Obama has made one claim that his goal is different for one race than it is for all races? Its commentators bringing up race, not him. He's just aware of what he looks like to other Americans and doesn't try to hide from the obvious.

Lastly, the only difference between Obama and the Republicans you mention is his politics. It appears his sensibilities mesh better with a possible majority than those of Steele or Keyes.

Don't forget it was only a few months ago when blacks supported Clinton over Obama by 70+% to the lower 20% range. Obama had to win over blacks with his platform, not his race. Of course the Clinton racial baiting didn't hurt in moving blacks toward him either, but he never had a built in constituency. What he's accomplished is remarkable and never before seen in American politics. I don't care what people think, but they at least should acknowledge just how far he's come in such a short period of time. Americans are skeptics by nature, but he's managed to win support where no one expected him to. Idaho, North Dakota, Maine, Georgia, Alabama, South Carolina, Missouri, Kansas, Nebraska? Nobody saw this coming.

People hear what they want to hear. Rarely do the hear what's actually being said. Hence their inability to actually discern.

A man will speak thousands upon thousands of words, but his true core is found in just the few.

Kris_P_Bacon 2-12-08

Go to work, Hans.

I'm sure someone else has said either the exact same thing or something close.

Everything which will be has already been, and every thing that will be said has already been said.

It's biblical, Hans.

Get to work. But remember, we're all plagiarists. Even you, guppie.

Kris...

Do you understand what Obama said? The question was an absolutist question. The answer isn't. No one knows what will happen in Iraq with 100% certainty. Only idiots would commit to a policy that might do more harm than good to US interests by trying to project certainty onto an obviously murky future.

You haven't unearthed anything more than the nuanced truth that Hillary operates from as well.

I understand fully what he's saying, Tony. Too bad it only applies when a hybrid says it.

How often is/was Bush condemed for the same position?

"Why do you suppose Obama chooses to allow himself to be largely identified as an Arican American rather than just an American? He is, after all a hybrid, is he not?"

What an idiotic question, as if Obama has the possibility of referring to himself as "white".

"Special privilege? I'm disgusted that the liberal democratic party has turned this entire election into an affirmative action mandate."

Bwahahaha! The only folks bringing up his race---or his middle name, for that matter---are folks on the right, and always as an attempt to divide. And affirmative action? You're really grasping at straws: the man graduated from Harvard Law School, and was the editor of the Law Review. Not exactly your Yalie frat boy C- student (and I'm talking about both nominees last time).

Sure, sure, sure, Danforth. The only reason Hillary said in the debates "you can tell JUST BY LOOKING at us that we'll change America, had absolutely nothing to do with affirmative action, while Obama nodded in the affirmative.

Give it a rest. Any thinking person wants some substance. You know, things like, how will you pay for it, little questions like that.

FO you PC coward hypocrite. When Bush asserts the same position on Iraq as Obama he's vilified, ridiculed and belittled to no end. It's only the right position to take when a hybrid or a feminist takes it.

Yall are hypocrites of the highest/lowest order.

When Bush asserts the same position on Iraq as Obama....

Well, that says it all, doesn't it KRIS P? About you, anyway.

Er, it's because of bush that we're in iraq. What a pointless waste of space and eight long years he has turned out to be.

>>You know, things like, how will you pay for it, little questions like that....
Glad you brought that up. Out of interest, how are we going to pay for Afghanistan, iraq, or the bs stimulus package and god knows what else that he has squandered the nation's money on? Complete health coverage for everyone in the country would cost less than just Afghanistan.

But back to the discussion at hand, the only way for the republicans to win is for McCain to go up against Hilary. He wouldn't stand a chance against Obama. Plus, McCain's just a bit of an idiot on certain issues (iraq and tax cuts come to mind). My vote's going with Obama.

"had absolutely nothing to do with affirmative action"

You think a graduate of Harvard, the former editor of the Harvard Law Review, is where he is because of affirmative action?!? How self-loathing can you get?

"Any thinking person wants some substance."

Whereas you are content with his relatives being Muslims.

"You know, things like, how will you pay for it, little questions like that."

A Republican asking about how it'll be paid for? Nothing but hypocrisy.

"FO you PC coward hypocrite." "It's only the right position to take when a hybrid"

Well, obviously you aren't worried about being PC. Or less than childish. A hybrid? Can you get any smaller?

Fox is reporting that Obama got 58% of women voters in Virginia.

CNN said that it's still a competitive race between Huckabee and McCain in Virginia.

Huckabee refuses to listen to McCain and the GOP party elite and get out of the race. This has now made it kind of interesting to watch and the media is picking up on this too. The GOP elite expected Huckbee to "be a good boy" and get out of the race and go home now after he helped McCain defeat Romeny but Huckabee isn't listening to them.

I'll have to find out a little more about Huckabee. I haven't paid that much attention to him until now but if he can be a thorn in McCain's side then I'm all for him.

On the Democrat side I think I'll go with Obama over Hillary.

"Fox is reporting that Obama got 58% of women voters in Virginia."

Hillary is toast.

Fox is reporting that Obama got 58% of women voters in Virginia.

The Obamamamas love their guy.

"CNN said that it's still a competitive race between Huckabee and McCain in Virginia."

Go Huckabee. George W. McCain/Huckabee '08!

CNN

OBAMA WINS VIRGINIA

He beat Hillary 67% to 33%

Huckabee in Virginia won the majority of votes in the veterans and people over 65 voting groups -- normally strongly in favor of McCain.

Question for anybody --

Can someone give me a brief (I'm not looking to be converted into some church) summary of what the difference is between "evangelicals" and "born agains"? CNN and other media types keep mentioning the two groups.

Born again refers to someone's recent baptism.

Evangelicals have been following the Bible--usually their whole life and live the life everyday.

As for a difference in philosophy--none.

Born again folks are usually really acutely fired up. And Evangelicals have a deeper, longer, intimate, passion about their faith.

CNN is liberal and most don't know the terms of religious folks--that's why they interchange the two.

Murphy

Actually what is happening (at least in Va. Not sure about everywhere else) is that there is MASSIVE cross over from Republicans voting in the Dem primary.

I talked to several (as I am a Rep. as if you could not guess) friends and they all voted in the Dem. primary as a way to insure Hillary would not get to be a choice for President...its not that they like Obama...its that they hate Hillary and are not too pleased with McCain.

At least voting for Barack gave them a real say in the presidential process.

I bet if you check the other primary's you will find that Barack really cleaned up in the open primary's but the closed ones he either lost or won by a small margin.

Maryland is open for another hour due to the weather--close at 9:30 pm EST.

Murphy