Gosh!! I thought the Chinese only got secrets from the Clinton Administration!

Give the man a fair trial then execute him!

Has nothing to do with administrations. It has to do with the Chinese. They will send over spys no matter who is in office. By-the-way, on commentator I saw said that one of the reasons the US is not making a *very* big deal about this is that it could cause them to expell more of our spys.

How to you expext them to make this stuff for us if they don't have the plans? We sure as hell can't make it here anymore!

sorry, EXPECT

Gosh!! I thought the Chinese only got secrets from the Clinton Administration!

well these they didnt have to pay for

I agree fare trial!!! If found guilty? Firing Squad next morning!

I knew it...I knew that f'in Bergersen was dirty!

Hmm, I just have to wonder about all this.

Charged with espionage for getting money for information about aviation, aerospace and such.

I wonder what all the corporations are doing actually building the factories and plants in china and then showing em how to actually perform the skilled work. Even the U.S. government is doing this.

No such thing as espionage anymore, it is only on the books so those at the top get the ability to gain while keeping the rest from gaining such an ability.

China, the country where millions of American jobs were shipped and now makes all the stuff in our stores. With the complicity of the federal government and the so-called conservative business community.

Money: There was something on the tube about the company that makes the military's night vision equipment doing the work in China. They pinky-swore the Chinese wouldn't ever get any technical info, though...

We have a careless government.

There's a failure in accountability. What about the tangled web around Israel and Turkey. Whistleblowers are being silenced with state secrets' orders and the media is ignoring them. No one wants to admit that we have no security.

Times Online has been doing some stories. Shame we have to get our news from foreign sources who are then dismissed on the most frivolous grounds even when the information is properly sourced and even in the public domain.

It's a simple fact that we have a cabal of miscreants running the show, and they cover for one another. Some one has to take the fall, but this goes deeper into the bureaucracies. Even when heads roll these bums just recycle on K Street until they can slink back.

"They just arrested another guy here for trading national security and trade secrets to the Chinese. Going back to 1976."

YEAH!

See, Not Bushs Fault!

There was another incident of a Chinese national who was illegally exporting restricted military technology to China. They caught him red handed with the engines that would be used for the F-22.

He got 11 months.

Did anyone else read this article in Popular mechanics?

"Did anyone else read this article in Popular mechanics?"

Posted by COMMONSENSE

Well, since I haven't read that worthless rag since 1962, .. no.

Big deal israel has spies throughout the US and always tries to co-opt jewish americans in the defense industry to turn over secrets to help "Their People".

This shit happens all the time.

"Big deal . . . This shit happens all the time."
FURIO

Hell yes, it's a big deal and it SHOULDN'T be allowed to happen all the time.

OT - Just saw a show about a very large trade fair for the Office Suplies and Stationary Industry in Frankfurt. The documentary was all about the Chinese thiefs. The camera team followed a squad of customs officials around. Right there, next to the stands of the legitimate companies were Chinese stands with exact duplicates of the products. What gall! And there were Chinese wandering around everywhere taking detailed photos of every single product. Totally shameless.

The customs officers closed up all the stands they could find and kicked plenty of them out, but the sheer numbers mean that the risk is relatively small that they'll get caught.

In China, there are no copyright laws and never have been for 5,000 years. It's a totally foreign concept to them. I wonder what their attitude is toward state secrets...

Also:


re was another incident of a Chinese national who was illegally exporting restricted military technology to China. y caught him red handed with the engines that would be used for the F-22

Posted by COMMONSENSE at 2008-02-11 11:10 PM

Mut be pretty small engines, sure it wasn't the Mattell version of the plane?

"Hell yes, it's a big deal and it SHOULDN'T be allowed to happen all the time."

Igmoranus,

I assume you mean the US shouldn't spy on other countries as well? Like having SPY satellites?

Everyone spies on everyone else including "allies". The only reason this is being made public by the government is to stir up people like you against China to distract from more important events involving the US like Iraq and a shitty economy.

The only reason this is being made public by the government is to stir up people like you against China to distract from more important events involving the US like Iraq and a shitty economy.

Posted by furio

You gotta be shittin!

me no sell seclet docrument!

This shit happens all the time.

Posted by furio

It should NEVER be allowed to happen.

"It should NEVER be allowed to happen."

So Sniper is it also wrong for the US to spy on other countries?

re was another incident of a Chinese national who was illegally exporting restricted military technology to China. y caught him red handed with the engines that would be used for the F-22

Posted by COMMONSENSE at 2008-02-11 11:10 PM

Mut be pretty small engines, sure it wasn't the Mattell version of the plane?

Posted by bellaspapa at 2008-02-12 05:53 AM | Reply | Flag:

???

"It should NEVER be allowed to happen."

So Sniper is it also wrong for the US to spy on other countries?

Posted by furio

Allowing it to happen to the USA. We have to live with the laws other countries have about spying but that dosen't mean we have to allow it to happen to us.

Y
Are your arguements are just for the sake of argueing?

"Are your arguements are just for the sake of argueing?"

No, just making a point that spying is a fact of life and always has been. All countries do it to one extent or another. And all are doing it for "good" reasons.

You shouldn't get horrified by it occurring.

No, just making a point that spying is a fact of life and always has been. All countries do it to one extent or another. And all are doing it for "good" reasons.

You shouldn't get horrified by it occurring.

If we took the word "spying" and replaced it with "rendition" or "secret prisons", would you feel the same way?

"If we took the word "spying" and replaced it with "rendition" or "secret prisons", would you feel the same way?"

I have no idea how you come up with type of ridiculous analogy. Torture and secret prisons as you refer to are abuses against individuals by governments. The more democratic and free the government is the less they should be abusing people.

Spying is a game governments play with each other also at the expense of individuals who are bribed, coerced or blackmailed into abetting. A few are actually greedy little buggers. Of course once the spying is discovered the "spy" is then treated as some disgusting lifeform rather than the average pawn that he/she really was.

Spies are generally turned out of personal weaknesses not disloyalty and it start with just a little innocent trade for badly needed cash or pussy and then the spying country milks them dry.

I have no idea how you come up with type of ridiculous analogy. Torture and secret prisons as you refer to are abuses against individuals by governments. The more democratic and free the government is the less they should be abusing people.

Don't get your panties in a wad, I'm opposed to rendition as much as I am spying. My point is that just because it has been done since the dawn of time doesn't mean that it's acceptable. Frequently the defense you hear from people who watch too much 24 (torture lovers) is that this has been happening all along, but its an issue now that you know about it.


Spying is a game governments play with each other also at the expense of individuals who are bribed, coerced or blackmailed into abetting. A few are actually greedy little buggers. Of course once the spying is discovered the "spy" is then treated as some disgusting lifeform rather than the average pawn that he/she really was.

Spies are generally turned out of personal weaknesses not disloyalty and it start with just a little innocent trade for badly needed cash or pussy and then the spying country milks them dry.

Putting money or pussy over country is disloyalty. "Blame the victim" is not a defense for someone who is a spy. These are criminals that should go down, and go down hard.

"Blame the victim" is not a defense for someone who is a spy"

Sorry I don't agree. Many of these geeks are people who unwittingly gave away classified info to a "friend" who then presents them with the evidence and the blackmail that if they don't start giving more and more secrets they will report them to the government which will cause them to lose their jobs and be imprisoned. They are given promises of just getting a couple of things and then they will be let go. I a guy has a wife, kids, mortgage and pending retirement he will go along with the ride to protect his family.

The case workers are highly trained to turn people. Goobers are highly trained to be engineers.

You shouldn't get horrified by it occurring.

Posted by furio

I'm not. We still should punish thoes who steal our secerets!

". . . a guy has a wife, kids, mortgage and pending retirement he will go along with the ride to protect his family." -Furio

Well, Furio, that sounds a lot like the guy did it to maintain a standard of living that he otherwise couldn't get. Much like the reason that people rob banks.

"Many of these geeks are people who unwittingly gave away classified info to a "friend" who then presents them with the evidence and the blackmail that if they don't start giving more and more secrets they will report them to the government which will cause them to lose their jobs and be imprisoned." -Furio

They must be "very stupid geeks" if they are so "unwitting" yet have access to classified information. It seems you are making a defense for the idiot savant: "Raymond didn't know that telling the Chinese how many straws fell on the floor constituted classified chaos theory information."

Your straw man argument doesn't seem to really hold up, Furio. Our government is finally doing an excellent job -and they probably need to search even wider for more corporate/classified espionage.