The Comeback Witch

This is the type of crap that will keep her from securing the nomination...more whining. She has been upstaged and out maneuvered by a relative unknown. She would get more respect and maybe votes if she would be honest about that---is honesty possible for her?

Hillary is no Underdog. She couldn't even carry his jock.

If she wins it will be more because she has the support of the Democratic Party establishment than the support of voters in the primaries and the caucuses. So how does she reconcile that fact with being the underdog? Also she should probably avoid dog words, too easily extended to "bitch".

Clinton campaign: Hmmm, Obama seems to be getting some traction with that "change" theme.

Clinton: "Hey everybody - I'm the candidate of change! Are you ready for change? I'm for change too!"

Clinton campaign: Wow, that underdog position and anti-status quo stance really seems to be working for Obama.

Clinton: "Hey, look at ME! I'M the underdog! Obama over there - he's the establishment candidate" Look, look at ME!"

She make me ill.

How long before she tries campaigning in blackface?

I'm amazed the Clinton campaign is trying this. Clinton's not going to win because of sentimental people voting for an underdog, or any other reason regarding sentiment. Her selling points are experience, strong knowledge of public policy, the Clinton record on the economy and the inspirational opportunity to elect the first woman president.

TWICE UNDERDOGed.

By Bill Clinton and now by Barack Hussein Obama.

This is just one more concrete example of the long running knock on the Clintons - that they shift with the breeze. When the breeze blows "change" she is for change, when the breeze blows "underdog" she is the underdog; when it looks like a vote for war is popular, she is for the war.

And the funny part about it all is that once the wind shifts, it is as if the prior position never existed.

I think that as this race moves forward the desperation on the part of the Clintons will result in more "I'm amazed" moments.

I'm amazed the Clinton campaign is trying this.

I see this as a strategy to cover every form of appeal they can imagine. It worked in New Hampshire because a woman can get away with this.

When the news came out that she donated $5M to her campaign, money flooded in. Within days she caught up to Obama.

No she's just a Dog! I would vote for Howard Stern before Hillary.

Barack Hussein Obama.

Posted by takitez



Does his middle name bother you? Are you 12 years old?

You are truly a lightweight little turd if you raise his name thinking it will be an issue for any thinking adult.

She might have to "Find Her Voice" again.

What a class hypocrite Hillary always was, and now she proves it to us every day!

She's sounding more and more like Sweet Polly Purebread to me...

You are truly a lightweight little turd if you raise his name thinking it will be an issue for any thinking adult.

Posted by midiman at 2008-02-10 10:51 AM |


Hussein, Hussein, Hussein. It is the thinking people that think about it. It's naive people like yourself that are lightweight little turds that don't /won't even give it any consideration and attempt to eliminate any discussion of it from the public debate.

PC cowards disgust me.

Americans seem to react to geniune underdogs in presidential races two different ways. Either they patronizingly look at the underdog candidate as a goofy, if somehwat charming, eccentric. Or they look at the underdog candidate as a scary nutjob.

Hillary doesn't really want you to think she's an underdog. She's trying to scare her base into forking over more money.

It's naive people like yourself that are lightweight little turds that don't /won't even give it any consideration

It's his middle name. He didn't choose it. Why is it a big deal with you Pugs?

"It's his middle name. He didn't choose it. Why is it a big deal with you Pugs?"

I went to school with a guy named Erwin Rommel. Rumor had it that he was the real Rommel's grandson but maybe his parents were just crazy. Not even high school kids were stupid enough to think his name actually made him a Nazi regardless of who his grandfather was.

Although this was not the type of kid you wanted to fuck with and that definitely helped to enlighten those who would cause someone grief over his name, as they tend to be opportunistic cowards.

TIME FOR A BIG OLE' Hill-arious crying jag.........

If Hillary's going to do something, she'd better do it quick.

She got swept yesterday, Maine today is a split at best for her.
She's going to get swept again on Tuesday, will probably lose Wisconsin, and Obama will have plenty of time to work the crowds in Ohio and Texas. And Texas is starting to look real good for Obama.

Hillary may well be the underdog at this point, but it doesn't work that way for momentum. When you're the underdog, it means you're coming up from far behind, closing the gap - momentum all the way.

To go from inevitable to underdog means you're losing bad.

SHe's still ahead in delegates and super delegates, right?

Once again the clintons find new definitions for words in the language we've all agreed upon.

If you want to be a "strong woman" or a "feminist", hillary...stop fucking whining, playing the victim when you're ahead, and riding your husbands coattails.

Now she's Underdog to the biggest Fairy Tale ever?

Underdog to a roll of the dice?

You are special, Hillary.

And you are losing, Hillary.

The Hillary haters are surely in mid-season form, speaking vitriol-wise. I'd hate to have to vote for her out of sympathy.

Hillary Rodham Clinton, onetime chair of the Wellesley Young Republicans, seems to me to be a nice lady who sold out one too many youthful ideals in her entirely justified effort to make some history. She'd be a fine vice president for Obama.

Surely if a nation for which a full year of politicking isn't enough could have waited another month for "Super Tuesday," there would be no doubt. The steamroller, the bandwagon, the momentum are with Obama.

And yes, it's been 48 years since I felt this upbeat about the whole business. herm

"She'd be a fine vice president for Obama."

I doubt Obama would really want to see Bill and Hillary hanging out in the White House.

I doubt Obama would really want to see Bill and Hillary hanging out in the White House.

Obama could make Bill Ambassador to China.

"Obama could make Bill Ambassador to China."

Too bad he couldn't appoint Hillary Ambassador to India as well.

If Obama were for Universal Health Care, he would be my first choice. However since he is not for Universal Health care, I'll vote for Hillary in the primary. If Obama is the dem candidate I'll proudly vote for him in the general election.

"I doubt Obama would really want to see Bill and Hillary hanging out in the White House."

Agreed. Even if Bill wanted to stay out of the way, which is a big if, the press would constantly solicit him for opinions and he wouldn't be able to resist the spotlight. Hillary is someone who had to be told to tone it down a little as first lady so I don't see her as being an ideal VP either - not that I think she should necessarily want the job anyway. Taking the VP with Hillary as President would be even worse for Obama as he'd play third fiddle to Hillary and Bill.

"The Hillary haters are surely in mid-season form, speaking vitriol-wise. I'd hate to have to vote for her out of sympathy."

Given the crying the and underdog talk, that seems to be exactly the reason she expects people to vote for her.

If Obama were for Universal Health Care, he would be my first choice. However since he is not for Universal Health care, I'll vote for Hillary in the primary. If Obama is the dem candidate I'll proudly vote for him in the general election.-B Bob

Remember all these Health Care plans are theory. Hillary is making this her rallying cry because she can say its a big difference with Obama, but in practical terms there is no reason to call it any better. (Look what's happening in MA right now). She totally screwed up Health Care in the nineties with a very similar idea, and even now she says it would take eight years to get it done.

Hillary is getting to the desperate stage - her "I see an America" new stump speech is so lifted from Obama it's not funny.

"It's not about ME, it's about YOU" - I could hardly believe my ears when she spouted that one.

""It's not about ME, it's about YOU" - I could hardly believe my ears when she spouted that one."

Just when you think she couldn't get any more insincere and opportunistic, she comes up with that.

"It's not about ME, it's about YOU"

Actually that was a mistake. The original text was:

"It's not about ME, It's about YOU, the little people"

"She'd be a fine vice president for Obama."

Not in my opinion. I fail to see what she adds to his ticket that he won't have without her. On the other hand he adds a helluva lot to her ticket, e.g., independent voters and blacks that her husband has insulted.

Perhaps he was named for our dear late friend the King of Jordan?

Hillary should bow out. She doesn't want it bad enough. The fact she "loaned" her campaign 5 million dollars is testament to this. Why not spend her own money? What were the terms of the loan? The Clintons are still up to there old tricks of how to snag a quick buck. All that being said if she is the democratic nominee she is still better than anything the republitards have to offer.

I'll second the first half of your statement,REZN

Again she copies Obama. Just heard the 60 minutes interview. I really like that he will not wallow in the gutter with the Clinton's. Their past personal life is their personal life. I like that, win or lose this guy has standards.

I dont the think the Clintons know how to campaign without the gutter/garbage.

Posted by fresno500 at 2008-02-10 07:22 PM

I watched all of Obama I just can't stomach much of Hillary at this point. Her lies just turn me off. Her suggestion that somehow she has been vetted and tested nationally whereas Obama hasn't is a complete distortion. This is her FIRST national campaign. So please tell me when she had a national commercial advertisement ran against her? The same goes with her allusion about her 35 years of experience that applies to this job. It's a complete fabrication.

I said it long ago if she had no more foresight and judgment than to base her campaign platform on experience then she doesn't deserve to be POTUS. It's just another example of her poor judgment.

Barack Hussein Obama.

Posted by takitez



Does his middle name bother you? Are you 12 years old?

You are truly a lightweight little turd if you raise his name thinking it will be an issue for any thinking adult.

Posted by midiman

and you are truly a retard if you don't think this will not make a difference in electability to a majority of the repub and independents. Its simple spin.. the setup by the right is to place a black man with a muslim name in the nomination and thrash him in the run up to the election.. If hillary gets the nod it will be more difficult to trash her due to the fact she has been fully vetted.

the dems will lose this election if obama is chosen due to these reasons..

1- the racist under current is still present although many people will say they aren't racist and will vote for him the general election.

2- the boomers can identify with john mccain since he is "one of them" and not black and a veteran.

so joe six pack will vote for

1- Barack Hussein Obama, black muslim sounding guy from illinois and a junior senator with no military experience and possible future legal entanglement similar to the white water trials in the 90's with the clintons. oh and this base of voters may or may not show at the polls.

or

2- John McCain, old white guy with Vietnam war experience, POW, Senior Senator, liberal leanings no baggage except he isn't conservative enough. oh and his base does show up at the polls consistently. The hispanic vote will follow him over Barack.


'nuff said.

she got the "dog" part right...

Ahahaha. Takes one to know one, eh bowser?

"Teasing 12-year-old dipshits is always fun!"
-posted by Vermin

Hey Verm, do you really like to tease your nieces like that? What a perv!

the dems will lose this election if obama is chosen due to these reasons..

Posted by Legio
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Preposterous. If Hillary wins the nomination, McCain has a chance. If Obama does, the Republicans will get demolished.

When McCain locked up the nomination, I decided to sit the election out. I simply cannot vote for him. And since there's no way my state would vote to send Hillary to the White House, I don't have to worry about my vote mattering in that respect.

In a general election, Obama would win 35 states, and all the big ones. There has been no election in my lifetime that the Republicans seemed so desperate to lose, and lose big. Only Hillary can jump in the way of the Repubs rushing over the cliff. She might manage it yet.

Maybe not 35 states. More like 25. But all the big ones except for Arizona and perhaps Florida.

Hilliary if you want to use the similie and compare yourself as if you were like a "dog" please be more truthfully descriptive and add the preceding words "rabies infected" first otherwise its a massive insult to regular dogs!

Preposterous. If Hillary wins the nomination, McCain has a chance. If Obama does, the Republicans will get demolished.

methinks you have no clue regarding the racist under current that STILL exists in this country

Maybe I'm naive. Or maybe there's an equally large sexist undercurrent who would refuse to vote for a woman as president. Did that occur to you? Barack Obama is polling better nationally than either Hillary or McCain. Now unless you think that millions of people are lying to pollsters, and that the millions of enthusiastic supporters that Obama is drawing to his rallies are lying to themselves--all you have to go on is your own conjecture, and your own latent prejudices.

Wonder Woman or Underdog--Hillary can't seem to decided. She changes costumes pretty quickly as the crisis dictates.

methinks you have no clue regarding the racist under current that STILL exists in this country

And I think you're ignoring the fact that Obama's margins of victory are LARGER in states that don't have significant numbers of blacks whatsoever! Obama's not winning based on polls, he's winning because white people are showing up in record numbers to vote for him!

America is a lot different than what many thought, including myself. Obama's campaign has uncovered that we as Americans have far more in common than we have differences that keep us from coming together and getting needed things done.

I've never been prouder of this nation than I currently am.

I've never been prouder of this nation than I currently am.

Me too, Tony. A viable woman and a viable black candidate running for the Dems is not something I expected to see in my lifetime.

A viable woman and a viable black candidate running for the Dems is not something I expected to see in my lifetime.

Its not just that, its the incredible numbers of average white people showing the types of enthusiasm for a black candidate unlike that I've seen since the Kennedy's were running for office. Maine, Idaho, North Dakota, Nebraska, Utah, Iowa, even Missouri? Its a testament that color is not the most important factor to Americans despite prejudice and fear, its one's personal ability and promise that moves many to action instead.

Black people all over America are seeing a white America we've been told existed but one we seldom see on such a widespread, "across this nation" reality. I see nothing but improved relations between all Americans if this movement continues at its current pace. Its remarkable.

TR:
What do you think would happen, were Clinton and Obama to go neck and neck, then Hillary manages to eke out enough of the Superdelegates to win the nomination? Would blacks become disillusioned then? Or would they rally behind her?

See, in my opinion the Dems need to tread very carefully here. It's likely that Obama will win a majority of the states, and possibly a majority of the Dem primary voters. Now the reason you have superdelegates in the first place is so you can put on the top of your ticket someone you think best represents the party's ideals, not to mention his or her chances in the general election. But if they go with Hillary, what might happen to the party then?

I think that if there is even a whiff that Hillary won the nomination with even the slightest of arm-twisting or coercion, the party will be torn apart. Just curious as to what your ideas are.

When McCain locked up the nomination, I decided to sit the election out. I simply cannot vote for him.
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I need to rephrase this. I'll still be voting on down-ticket races, but not for president. Or, maybe I'll vote for the Constitution Party guy, whoever he is.

"Hillary is no Underdog. She couldn't even carry his jock."


Yeah, I've always thought of her more as a Simon Bar Sinister type.

Now the reason you have superdelegates in the first place is so you can put on the top of your ticket someone you think best represents the party's ideals, not to mention his or her chances in the general election. But if they go with Hillary, what might happen to the party then?

I disagree with your assessment of the SD's role in the nominating process.


As it regards SDs, I beleive that Howard Dean should issue an immediate moratorium making them unable to pledge their VOTE until after the people have spoken first. In other words, no SDs would be publically pledged, but they would all be able to campaign and support whomever they choose.

If I were Dean I tell each and every SD that this is their new marching order:

As a Super Delegate, the party put us in place to potentially negate the influence of a candidate that would harm the overall party efforts. This is not the case with either Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama. Either candidate will certainly make a fantastic President and each offers stark contrasts to the Republican's presumptive nominee, John McCain.

Each SDs must first access the preferences of the Democratic voters across America before making their ultimate decision. The will of the voters is first and foremost the determinant of this party as it always should be, therefore the definitive choice of every SD cannot be made without first considering the ultimate will of the Democratic voter. So from this point forward, no SD count will be publicized until every primary contest is completed. SDs do not represent their elected constituency, nor do they represent their states or local organizations. SDs represent the best interests of the Democratic Party, that is why they were created. But that interest cannot be positively discerned until after the people have spoken first.

Posted by tonyroma at 2008-02-11 09:16 AM |

Should be "assess", not access. Sorry

The will of the voters is first and foremost the determinant of this party as it always should be, therefore the definitive choice of every SD cannot be made without first considering the ultimate will of the Democratic voter.
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Um, OK. Easier said than done.

You didn't answer my question though--I didn't ask what you would do if you were in charge of the thing; you're not. I asked what do you think would happen, were Obama to continue to win in states and by margins unthinkable a couple of months ago, continues to poll well against McCain, and winds up in a virtual tie with HRC in the delegate count, but the superdelegates go with her?

"Clinton's not going to win because of sentimental people voting for an underdog, or any other reason regarding sentiment."

Well, you never know. Crying worked for her in New Hampshire. I see this tactic as right up that same alley - get people to feel sorry for you because you're a woman who's being trampled upon, and as I've said before, the Democrats will come out in droves. Feelings apparently count more than ideas, especially when you have two candidates that are as similar as Hillary and Barack. Race, gender, and things like the "underdog" mentality will carry more weight then policy differences here.

Hillary doesn't really want you to think she's an underdog. She's trying to scare her base into forking over more money.

Posted by Sully at 2008-02-10 12:00 PM

and

Given the crying the and underdog talk, that seems to be exactly the reason she expects people to vote for her.

Posted by Sully at 2008-02-10 01:37 PM

This is exactly right, and the reason why so many people on the left are starting to understand that the right has had the Clinton's pegged for the last 15 years.

I think that if there is even a whiff that Hillary won the nomination with even the slightest of arm-twisting or coercion, the party will be torn apart. Just curious as to what your ideas are.

Posted by rightisright at 2008-02-11 12:25 PM

Never underestimate the power of human stupidity.

Thats dog, I'm, the dog.(just ask Bill)

Hillary with a strap on "doggy style" with Janet Reno, I just threw up a bit.

The SDs will not go with Hillary if she trails Obama in delegates and states.
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How do you know? What if she's ahead in the number of votes? Isn't it the Dems who were trying to chuck the Electoral College because it ignored the will of the majority of the voters? Bush won a majority of the states and a majority of the EC, but was called (and still is) illegitimate because he lost the popular vote. Would Dems feel the same about Obama?

Four times now, you've managed to avoid the question, so I'll ask it another way. If Obama wins the majority of the states and the majority of the pledged delegates, but they give Hillary the nomination, will YOU support her candidacy?

You guys are in a pickle. And I'm enjoying it a lot more than I would've thought.

If Obama wins the majority of the states and the majority of the pledged delegates, but they give Hillary the nomination, will YOU support her candidacy?

Not a chance in hell would I support Hillary under that scenario, or Obama if the roles were flipped. The days of the smoke filled room are over.

How's that for a straight answer.

What if this happens:

Hillary wins a majority of the Democratic votes, and most of the large states;
Obama wins most of the states and the pledged delegates.
But neither wins their 2025 necessary to cinch the nomination.

Who should win? Because this is what is more and more likely.

so did anyone else hear this today.

when it gets down to the wire,according to sources, one of them...whoever loses..will sue the other concerning the delegates from florida that arent there,and when they do that, they will use a precident of.....YEP,you guessed it, gore v bush from 2000.
is that delicious irony or what??

"did anyone else hear this today"

Not until you woke up from your three-week binge stupor.

yeah, thats very nice and thank you. you are so kind to respond and let us all in on just how smart and up to date on current affairs you are. you are a credit to your party.

damn that was hard to say.

I'm on record. Hillary got the nomination before the primaries started. You don't think the party oligarchs would trust you morons to pick the party leader. Do you?

RIR......
here is a senario that is even more ironic than the one I just mentioned.
with democrat superdelegates, it is possible that thier candidate will be the one who DOESNT get the most popular votes. and the one who got the superdelegate votes will.
now lets go back a few years. when it happend to bill, the left didnt care, but when gore won the popular vote but not the electoral college, they came unglued and to this day talk bullshit about that election and are desperate to do away with the electoral process.
and now we come to present day. so which one will get the popular vote butlose because of the superdelegate vote?

and this superdelegate stuff. only dems would have an elite upperclass level of voters who are better than everyone else and then try and tell us that we are the uppity ones.

"I'm on record. Hillary got the nomination before the primaries started. "

You're sure going to look like an idiot in a month or two. As if the party oligarchs can force people to vote for Hillary. Conspiracy theory does not equal political analysis.

Obama will be the nominee.

"I'm on record. Hillary got the nomination before the primaries started. "

in which case I vote McCain unless he has the huckster as veep in which case I vote the closest thinG i SEE AS NON-OF-THE-ABOVE.

You're sure going to look like an idiot in a month or two.

And I'll look brilliant if I am right. I'm out to prove that the primaries and the election are rigged. Hillary will be the next president too.

The ultimate victor will be the dumbest, most ignorant, most arrogant, best liar, nastiest and most incompetent of the bunch. It reflects the collective wisdom of American voters. No matter who wins, I'm loading up on all the silver and gold I can afford.

Love all the consternation..Two fatally flawed candidates for the Dems--both sorely inexperienced--Junior Senators from their respective states.

Oh the Queen of Hiss was the First Lady--yeah there's some experinece for you--based on her stump speeches--her experience is taking bullets for Bill and her own misdeeds from the vast right wing conspiracy!

Chelsea should run for something and she can boast she was the First Kid for 8 years as her experience.

Obama the most liberal fool in the Senate--and his experience is worse that the Queen of Hiss!

McCain will have a cake walk with whoever gets the nod.

The best part is 1/2 of the Dem Party will be crushed and they won't go on the ticket together. Too many presidents--three to be exact.

And Hiss is not out of this--she has TX and OH and PA. Obama is having a great month--that's for sure. He is going to win big tomorrow as well.

Murphy

McCain will have a cake walk with whoever gets the nod.

Not likely with the economy falling like a rock. Lots of magma below the surface soon to blow.

okay so a reporter was interviewing chelsea and she ASKED him a question when they were talking about who was best for america.
SHE ASKED the reporter who he thought were the three most dangerous people to america and he answered.

1) osama
2) obama
and
3) yomama