TRUTH..TRUTH..TRUTH, Do you think that the Conservative Party, the so called Republicians, want the truth about Reagan??? I lived through the Reagan Govonership of California, make no mistake this was, a diaster for the State. I lived through the Reagan Administration, muderious handeling of the situation in Central America. No, No make no mistake The Republicians are blind when it comes to Reagan.

Reagan, spent money like a drunken sailor, he did it in California, then again as President, only to leave the paying for it to the next Generation. We were still paying for the Reagan Administration folly during the Clinton Administration.

True Americans will not let this Republician Partisians, re-write History. RONALD REAGAN WAS A USELESS OLD FOOL!!!!!!

It's been years since the right trusted reality anyways. As Colbert would say, they're all about truthiness.

Mr. President, answer the question! What do you get when you cross 3 Sandanistas with 1 Iran Contra affair and a splash of Ollie North?

Reagan was a Nazi.

Do you think that the Conservative Party, the so called Republicians, want the truth ...

Posted by celisary at 2008-02-01 08:13 PM | Reply

Celery,

Sorry. Old Vegetable Fart, but you are wasting your breath. Conservatives already acknowledge that Reagan let a lot of shit slide by -- mostly LDDS: Liberal Democrat Deficit Spending.

It was the price to be paid to bring down the Evil Empire (Otherwise known to Dems as the Workers' Paradise).

But please celebrate: The Reagan tax cuts allowed Bill Clinton to claim a strong economy. It also allowed you to enjoy a holiday from history for 8 years. But eventually reality (9/11) bit us all in the ass.

Reagan was a Nazi.

Posted by Apocalypto at 2008-02-01 08:28 PM | Reply |

Oh. yeah, a Nazi reference after only 3 posts ..... bold. Courageous ...

and so fucking original

this propping up of reagan is more than unsettling. the guy should have been impeached though, as nixon's mess was still on the table... it would've been bad for the country.
pat moynihan amongst other dems said the same thing.
i believe they were all wrong.
for mccain and others to throw out his name as if he were an exalted idol is sickening... but i've no doubt some monosyllabic rep who never gets by the headlines will buy into it.

Ronnie Reagan is such a Golden Idol to the Republicans but in truth Reagan was a gaudy,tin plated idol who was also,not suprisingly,completely hollow!

Thats the thing with "Idols" they're conceived and assembled by man not by any God.Idols are fashioned in the image of man's desires and so they always reflect man's prejudices and fantasised ideals.Thats why,they have no blemishes nor any real honesty.

There is no doubt that Reagan was a phenomenom. What kind of phenomenon is still up in the air, at least it seems to be, since there are such extreme views of him plus and minus. I take it that he is a hero to these present Republican candidates because he is the only recent one available.

I love this "Holiday from History" meme thats popped up recently.

Apparently, to Republicans, "History" consists entirely of armed conflicts. Nothing else of note happened during the 90s. Yes, I enjoyed that immensely.

Indeed, the GOP has to idolize Reagan as he is the only model available. Nixon? History is looking kinder on than was expected, but still. Ike? Great president. Built national infrastructure, built the middle class, and balanced the budget... by a 91% top marginal tax rate! Bet they don't teach that in school! Hoover? Silent Cal? The GOP heroes, TR and Lincoln are now in ancient history. Reagan is the only choice, so they'll overlook anything to praise him.

"VERNON"...You lap dogs really amaze me, Lets see Reagan won the cold War, you fucks say that so much to each other that you start to believe that shit. Does the name TRUMAN, EISENHOWER, KENNEDY, JOHNSON,NIXON,FORD,CARTER, the American People, The American Congress from 1945 thru 1980, that is who won the Cold War Asshole.

Not to mention Gorbechev, Pope John Paul, The Polish People so get off your high horse an put that Reagan shit to rest!!!! You Right Wing Assholes are if not nothing you are constant, if one listen to you all it was America an America alone who won the second World War, learn your history an shut the fuck up!!!!

To CELISARY,

Did TRUMAN< EISENHOWER, KENNEDY, JOHNSON, NIXON, FORD, CARTER, ever end the cold war, or assist in any way to the end?

You words are foolish

There's a great example right there.

Fuck douche-bag Reagan. He fucked California, then fucked the nation. Bottom line - Lebanon. You want to point at the man responsible for radical islam? Reagan. His support of the Iranian regime, his cowardice in the face of terrorism.

::You want to point at the man responsible for radical islam? Reagan. His support of the Iranian regime, his cowardice in the face of terrorism.::

Not that I'm a Reagan adorer, but that's a ridiculous statement. Radical Islam's ties to the US go back to the 1950s and even earlier. Reagan inherited the legacy; would you rather had a sustained US presence in the Lebanese civil war?

I laugh when people laud brain dead Reagan. The simple truth is the country experienced the first 8 years of the 12 year Bush presidency. Ronald served as a sock puppet. What we now have is the repeat of fluff economy based on promises to pay from realized tax cuts to the rich and the piddle down effect where the working class pay the taxes for themselves and the ones piddling upon them.

McCain is full of shit with his Reagan story. He spent most of his Nam experience out of the war theater as a POW getting very little news from the outside. I am not saying that he didn't have a shitty time but he was not part of the war and is actual war experience is exaggerated. Reagan didn't do shit about Vietnam, the fall of the Soviet Union or a balanced budget.

I'm a little more careful in my damnation of Regan. Like it or not, it was on his watch that the old USSR crumbled. Did he directly cause it? No, not in any measurable, cause/effect way. Did he contribute to it? Probably. Then there's the tax cut business. Mixed results, in my opinion. Mostly, he was the icon of the "caretaker government," a symbol more than an actual policy wonk.

Unfortunately, he died leaving all of us with Peggy Noonan. It seems now that every WSJ opinion she writes still fawns over him as if he walked on water. Unfortunately for Peggy, Romney, and the neoconservatives, his presidency was far from ideal.

Hey all you Reagan worshippers, how's that war on drugs going????
Are you winning???
No, I think it's more like Iraq, just an very expensive occupation. Get it??? Occupation??? Like DEA???? It's a paycheck to a bunch of would be Nazis.

"Hey all you Reagan worshippers, how's that war on drugs going????
Are you winning???
No, I think it's more like Iraq, just an very expensive occupation. Get it??? Occupation??? Like DEA???? It's a paycheck to a bunch of would be Nazis."

I'm on your side, Danni...the war on drugs is just like the war on alcohol was, or the war on guns..I think the DEA should leave you alone to purchase and smoke all the weed you want. I'm serious.

It was the price to be paid to bring down the Evil Empire (Otherwise known to Dems as the Workers' Paradise).
vernon..

Come on vern.. the dems were the ORIGINAL Commie haters and started fighting them right after ww2. again you show the short memories the repugs have.

..I think the DEA should leave you alone to purchase and smoke all the weed you want. I'm serious.

I agree. I would want to see the same restrictions put on it as alcohol, however as well the same penalties for driving under its influence. Think of the tax revenue, too.

Think of the tax revenue, too. by goatman

I'd be thinking about the income. I ran greenhouses before I studied agronomy. You can force six crops of white widow a year. Set up a compost operation and pipe in the heat and CO2.

I read the experiments conducted by the government by some funny named guy I can't remember back in '72. All the formulations and growth rates. They wanted to see if they could increase the growth rate of hemp, but everything they tried increased the level of THC.

LMAO

Let me say that again.

LMAO

-Reagan let a lot of shit slide by -- mostly LDDS: Liberal Democrat Deficit Spending.


The Dem congress never spent as much as Reagan asked for in any budget he ever produced.

Facts are annoying things, eh?

Facts are annoying things, eh?

Posted by Corky

HEADLINE
Boy Toy Seeks Truth

No matter how often you beg, I will not be your Boy Toy. Lisa would kick my ass.

Reagan was a Nazi.

Posted by Apocalypto

Reagan was a Kennedy demorcat!!

The Reagan tax cuts allowed Bill Clinton to claim a strong economy.

Bwahahahaha.

You fail to mention the great economic prosperity under Bush I.

Or did it take four years after the end of Reagans presidency for his "vision" to finally kick in?

Facts are annoying things, eh?



Don't confuse Vernon with facts. He is still waiting for $30 per barrell oil to return.

Why is it that regular people know what a putz Reagan was but our Democratic leadership stands by passively while Repubs call him a genius?
I'd like to see both Hillary and Obama tell the truth, early and often, about the second most inept president of my lifetime. "Vote for me because I'm NOT Reagan."

Please, anyone of you Fucking Assholes that keep defending the Braindead old fuck, read the article by Mr. kingsley an tell poor folk like us what about it is not true!!!!! You can't because that is the true definition of "PARTISIAN" one who puts his party befor Country, the truth be damn!!!

What do you get when you cross 3 Sandanistas with 1 Iran Contra affair and a splash of Ollie North?

300 dead Marines in Beirut and 300 dead Airborne in Newfoundland.

"would you rather had a sustained US presence in the Lebanese civil war?"

I would have liked for the Marines to have been allowed to have bullets in their fucking rifles, you idiot.

After coming here for a couple of weeks and reading, I find that most peole on here think republicans are bad, and democrats are going to save the world. Good luck with that one.

I also get the feeling that alot of folks in here do not like "corporate america" and see it as evil. It has been my experience that these people would be liberals who have made some bad life and educational choices. I think that these folks are either cronically unemployeed or lack the education to get out of their dead end jobs. They try to blame their pathetic lot in life on the corporations. and want big government to take of them by takng from the well-to-do and giving to them.

"cronically unemployeed or lack the education "

freakin' classic.

The fairy tale that upsets me most is the one about Reagan toppling the USSR single-handed. It's a fierce slap in the face to the people, the little people, who puts there lives on the to get the process moving.

retnluvinit:
You never fail to live down to your own standard. To quote my favorite TV philosopher Ren:
"Sometimes your wealth of ignoarance astounds me."

And my ignorance of spellcheck astounds me.

Does the name TRUMAN, EISENHOWER, KENNEDY, JOHNSON,NIXON,FORD,CARTER, the American People, The American Congress from 1945 thru 1980, that is who won the Cold War Asshole.

Blah, blah, blah ......

Posted by celisary at 2008-02-01 11:03 PM | Reply

Celery, please also take credit for curing polio, child immunizations and cold beer.

The TRUMAN doctrine was 'containment' which every president through Ford lived by. CARTER, of course, preferred APPEASEMENT. It was Reagan who adopted the policy of BRINGING DOWN THE EVIL EMPIRE.

Sorry, clown, but Reagan did it.

Did he directly cause it? No, not in any measurable, cause/effect way. Did he contribute to it? Probably.

Posted by SamBarber at 2008-02-02 07:10 AM | Reply

I was in the Air Force during the Reagan years, and contrary to your vague memories, he made all the difference. Reagan pissed money like water on Defense, but it forced the Russians into an arms race they could not endure.

We won.

However, this project of creating a unified, centralized socialist state proved problematic for several reasons. First, the Soviets underestimated the degree to which the non-Russian ethnic groups in the country (which comprised more than fifty percent of the total population of the Soviet Union) would resist assimilation into a Russianized State. Second, their economic planning failed to meet the needs of the State, which was caught up in a vicious arms race with the United States. This led to gradual economic decline, eventually necessitating the need for reform. Finally, the ideology of Communism, which the Soviet Government worked to instill in the hearts and minds of its population, never took firm root, and eventually lost whatever influence it had originally carried.

By the time of the 1985 rise to power of Mikhail Gorbachev, the Soviet Union's last leader, the country was in a situation of severe stagnation, with deep economic and political problems which sorely needed to be addressed and overcome. Recognizing this, Gorbachev introduced a two-tiered policy of reform. On one level, he initiated a policy of glasnost, or freedom of speech. On the other level, he began a program of economic reform known as perestroika, or rebuilding. What Gorbachev did not realize was that by giving people complete freedom of expression, he was unwittingly unleashing emotions and political feelings that had been pent up for decades, and which proved to be extremely powerful when brought out into the open. Moreover, his policy of economic reform did not have the immediate results he had hoped for and had publicly predicted. The Soviet people consequently used their newly allotted freedom of speech to criticize Gorbachev for his failure to improve the economy.

The disintegration of the Soviet Union began on the peripheries, in the non-Russian areas. The first region to produce mass, organized dissent was the Baltic region, where, in 1987, the government of Estonia demanded autonomy. This move was later followed by similar moves in Lithuania and Latvia, the other two Baltic republics. The nationalist movements in the Baltics constituted a strong challenge to Gorbachev's policy of glasnost. He did not want to crack down too severely on the participants in these movements, yet at the same time, it became increasingly evident that allowing them to run their course would spell disaster for the Soviet Union, which would completely collapse if all of the periphery republics were to demand independence.

After the initiative from Estonia, similar movements sprang up all over the former Soviet Union. In the Transcaucasus region (in the South of the Soviet Union), a movement developed inside the Armenian-populated autonomous region of Nagorno-Karabagh, in the Republic of Azerbaijan. The Armenian population of this region demanded that they be granted the right to secede and join the Republic of Armenia, with whose population they were ethnically linked. Massive demonstrations were held in Armenia in solidarity with the secessionists in Nagorno-Karabagh. The Gorbachev government refused to allow the population of Nagorno-Karabagh to secede, and the situation developed into a violent territorial dispute, eventually degenerating into an all-out war which continues unabated until the present day.

Zat,

I imagine that in your imagination your post means something. Let me guess ..... the timing?

You think that the Evil Empire fell apart all on its own, at a sudden moment?

You ever bake a cake? Make meatloaf? Things take time.

But, hey, thanks for trying.

the dems were the ORIGINAL Commie haters and started fighting them right after ww2. again you show the short memories the repugs have.

Posted by Legio at 2008-02-02 08:29 AM | Reply

I don't know what Republicans think, but you are correct that the Democrats were once very anti-commie. The TRUMAN doctrine was all about blocking the red threat.JFK stared dowqn the Russians in Cuba and Johnson understood the danger in Vietnam.

Unfortunately the Dems were infested with McGovern and never recovered. That's why even today your a bunch of pinko whores.

The Dem congress never spent as much as Reagan asked for in any budget he ever produced.

Posted by Corky at 2008-02-02 10:12 AM | Reply

Spending originates in the House or Representatives. The president can either sign them or veto them.

Facts are annoying things, eh?

The fairy tale that upsets me most is the one about Reagan toppling the USSR single-handed.

Posted by bellaspapa at 2008-02-02 04:16 PM | Reply

When a football team wins, the quarterback gets the credit for leading the team. Same for a baseball pitcher.

When all the 'little people' worked hard and paid their bills in the 1990s, Bill Clinton took credit for a strong economy.

BTW, why is it that if Bill Clinton says something like 'fairy tale' all of you sycophant puppies suddenly adopt it into your speech?

Reagan presented budgets. Congress passed budgets with less spending than what was in Reagan's recommendations.

Denial is a river in Egypt.

"You think that the Evil Empire fell apart all on its own, at a sudden moment?
"

It took a few years.
Reagan had exactly shit to do with it.

BTW, why is it that if Bill Clinton says something like 'fairy tale' all of you sycophant puppies suddenly adopt it into your speech?

Posted by vernon at 2008-02-02 06:30 PM


You're the stupidest mofo to plague this place. Well, almost. People post factual accounts of history and your idiotic replies amount to nothing more than, "Oh yeah? Says you!".

Believing that the "arms race" caused the Soviet Empire to collapse is mind-numbingly simplistic. It assumes that the Soviets were taking good care of their people beforehand. Well, guess what, they weren't. The wall crumbled because the people just couldn't take it anymore. The number one cause was western television. Envy is the enemy of Communism.

Do you have any clue as to what was going on in eastern Europe leading up to the fall?

And, Fairy Tale was my own word, dipshit. It fits perfectly in this case. I'm no Clinton fan, not either of them.

When a football team wins, the quarterback gets the credit for leading the team.
Posted by vernon

Right, this is exactly what the idiots looking for a simple, jingoistic reason for the victory think.

However, intelligent people who actually think about things realize that the defensive players, the receivers and even the center, were just as important to the victory as the quarterback.

"defensive players, the receivers"

Opposing team goes out of business ...

The arms race was he eventual cause of the collapse of the USSR. Just like welfare and other governement entitlememnts will the the cause of our collapse.

"The arms race was he eventual cause of the collapse of the USSR."

No, that's us. Communism is stupid. It will fail intrinsically.

VERNON...From what I hear your wife in the only pinko whore you know, at least that is what is going around in the grammer schools in your area...

whoa hahahhahah

"The arms race was he eventual cause of the collapse of the USSR."

No, that's us. Communism is stupid. It will fail intrinsically.

Posted by Zatoichi at 2008-02-02 09:01 PM

That was perfect, Zat.

"That was perfect, Zat."

I try.

Why?

Damned if I know.

I woke up to the sweet sound of 50 cals at Camp Swift.

celisary;

Attacking someones wife is NEVER acceptable. But what should you expect form a lib. How fucking pathetic, you should be ashamed of yourelf. Is your pont of view so weak that you have to attack family members?

Come on vern.. the dems were the ORIGINAL Commie haters and started fighting them right after ww2.

Posted by Legio

If that's true, what happened to them now? Every step they take now is one closer to socialism.

and the bush family den of iniquity (TRAITORS) were Nazi sympathizers. if roosevelt had hung prescott bush back in the day we probably woudn't be in this particular mess at this time.

clinton sold us out. raygun and hw shrub dealt in latin american death squads, guns and drugs - helped with the cocaine scene in the 80's and probably forstalled the release of the hostages taken by the iranians to make it look like raygun was the noble roman pillar of manhood come to save us all so they could make Jimmy Carter look flumoxed and win the election.

they all guilty as guilty can be.

"Is your pont of view so weak that you have to attack family members?"

You have to admit that Chelsea was a homely little thing. Not as mud fence ugly as Amy Carter, but defiantly a two bagger.

Posted by zulu at 2007-03-21 09:38 PM

If that's true, what happened to them now? Every step they take now is one closer to socialism.

Posted by Sniper at 2008-02-03 05:19 PM

and what's happened to the Rethuglicans since ol' Abe lead the Party? Buch of toe-tapping hypocrites...