Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs
Friday, February 01, 2008

Two mentally retarded women strapped with remote-control explosives -- and possibly used as unwitting suicide bombers — brought carnage Friday to two pet bazaars, killing at 91 people in the deadliest day since Washington flooded the capital with extra troops last spring. The coordinated blasts -- coming 20 minutes apart in different parts of the city — appeared to reinforce U.S. claims al-Qaida in Iraq may be increasingly desperate and running short of able-bodied men willing or available for such missions.

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Hooray! This will help our poll numbers!

Sincerely,
The DNC

Who cares?

Sincerely,
The RNC

Who cares?

Not Truthhurts... or anyone in this country really... anyone who says different is full of shit.

"Hooray! This will help our poll numbers!"

Gee Rob, it really bothers you when the cold hard truth disrupts the "good news" that you Republicans depend on. Reality is a Democratic talking point.


Who cares?

Not Truthhurts... or anyone in this country really... anyone who says different is full of shit.

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole


do not project your immorality on the rest of the country.

Gee Rob, it really bothers you when the cold hard truth disrupts the "good news" that you Republicans depend on.

One doesn't cancel out the other... Iraq is still a dangerous country, but there is progress and one bombing doesn't stop that.

All this story on the front page does is prove, YET AGAIN, that liberals focus on the bad news in Iraq to try to keep people from seeing that there are changes taking place. Because as long as people think things are horrible in Iraq, they are more likely to vote DNC come November...

If a Democrat wins in November this cheerleading for death will stop...

do not project your immorality on the rest of the country.

Posted by truthhurts


I guess you'll be in mourning the rest of the weekend? Won't even watch the super bowl probably... I'm sure you've already called into work to take a bereavement day. How can you type with the tears streaming down your face? Won't all the water damage your keyboard?

Come on... tell us how this has affected you so? How will today be any different then yesterday? Since you care so much. Detail it out for us...

""but there is progress and one bombing doesn't stop that.""

There is progress only as long as we are willing to keep the troops over there and are willing to pay a couple hundred billion dollars a year to do it. Also, only as long as we are willing to accept that our military is not even in a position to protect the homeland from an external threat according to our own government. Simply put, the Surge is only going to be sustained as long as Bush is in office and as long as he is allowed to use it to improve conditions in Iraq. Eventually Americans have to realize that we have other more important threats which we are neglecting due to Bush's war for profit.

the only want cheering for death is you rob.

"fuck the sunnis" right rob?

you are the consistently stating we should level the country and kill em all, right rob?

"fuck the sunnis" right rob?

Dude, the only two people who remember that comment are you and I, and we both know what was really being said in that comment. So I don't know what you think you accomplish by restating it... because you and I both know you are lying.

Still waiting for you to detail out how you care so much for these 51 people, you fake fuck.

I guess you'll be in mourning the rest of the weekend? Won't even watch the super bowl probably... I'm sure you've already called into work to take a bereavement day. How can you type with the tears streaming down your face? Won't all the water damage your keyboard?

Come on... tell us how this has affected you so? How will today be any different then yesterday? Since you care so much. Detail it out for us...

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2008



you dont know what I will be doing or how I will be responding to this repeat of tragedy in Iraq.

you clearly demonstrate that you dont care about the iraqis, in fact you say that anyone who says they care is full of shit.

so then why do you support our policy there? if you dont give a shit about them, why are you willing to piss away our treasury and kill americans?

oh I forgot you are devoid of morality, you are devoid of human compassion cause you are a self centered bitch, a selfish parasite.

sorry I will keep that in mind in the future.

we both know what was really being said in that comment



I think the comment speaks for itself. again, restating, you dont care about the iraqis, so it begs the question why ae we there helping them build a democracy? anyone who says they care about dead iraqis is full of shit so obviously there welfare is irrelevant, so why are we there?

you dont know what I will be doing or how I will be responding to this repeat of tragedy in Iraq.


Yes I do... not a damn thing.

in fact you say that anyone who says they care is full of shit.


I said anyone in America who says that they really care about these 51 people is full of shit... just like you.

oh I forgot you are devoid of morality

You're a fucking phoney...

Detail out for us how the deaths of these 51 people will affect your day! Show us your human compassion... tell us what you're going to do.

If a Democrat wins in November this cheerleading for death will stop...

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole


Yo we will bring the troops home and close Bush's permanent bases.

I think the comment speaks for itself.

If the best you have is taking a comment and dishonestly portraying it as something else, that's fine. Like I said, you and I are the only ones that remember that comment. we both know what was said, and we both know you're a fucking liar.

Now we can add phoney to describe you as well

Yo we will bring the troops home and close Bush's permanent bases.

Posted by YoMeLIB


Might want to really ask Hillary about that...

You're a fucking phoney...


coming from an immoral selfish childman that really hurts

face it rob, you dont care about the iraqis, they are just some fodder for some sadistic fantasies of yours, a true to life game for you to imagine how tough you are,

fuck em

how many times have you stated we should level the country.

go back to work pinhead

Truth? Hello? Oh you must be at your church already lighting 51 candles...

Oh there you are... sorry I figured you had started your 51 day hunger strike...

So what are you doing to show that you care for these 51?

Maybe you're adopting 51 Iraqi orphans... You know, to show how moral and generous you are.

i am not going to answer to you but a few possible things I could be doing are

1. writing my congressman
2. donating to charities that go to aid iraqi refugees
3. getting the word out to people about america's iraq policy

not being a religous person I wont but many people could pray or hold candle light vigils.

you of course will pooh pooh these things but that just demonstrates you childish manner

"If a Democrat wins in November this cheerleading for death will stop..."

Rob, either post an example of Democrats "cheerleading for death" or STFU.
Posting mindless talking points is so boring, can't you make any real arguments?

go back to work pinhead

Posted by truthhurts


I can't until I hear how your Friday will be different from your Thursday thanks to this tragic bombing.


Maybe you're adopting 51 Iraqi orphans...

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole


again rob, you dont know what I do...

i am not going to answer to you but a few possible things I could be doing are

1. writing my congressman
2. donating to charities that go to aid iraqi refugees
3. getting the word out to people about america's iraq policy


Prediction: You sit on your couch watching porn and eating cheetoes, then lauging at your orange pecker.

Way to change the world truthy... fucking phoney

again rob, you dont know what I do...

Posted by truthhurts


Nothing.

I on the other hand know that today is a typical work day for you, posting non stop on the Drudge Report and laughing and getting a boner over the deaths of dozens of human beings.

Rob, either post an example of Democrats "cheerleading for death" or STFU.


Deal:
www.drudge.com

rob, why dont you adopt an iraqi orphan, cause you really care about the IRaqis dont you. You REALLY believe america is doing the right thing, so pitch in bitch. do your part, take a few minutes of your drudge posting time and go adopt an iraqi orphan, a child whose parents were killed as a result of our policies, the policies you support.

be a man bitch

fucking phoney

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole







Irony

rob's wife fucks a phoney




Oh there you are... sorry I figured you had started your 51 day hunger strike...

So what are you doing to show that you care for these 51?

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole


This sort of drivel shows that Rob is simply out of gas. I guess his idea that "the surge is working" is that it's ok to lose a few soldiers here and there, and that these sorts of bombings are part of what is acceptable under his definition of "working".

An intellectually honest person would modify his view somewhat, but rob is a loyal soldier to the death -as long as it's someone else's.

rob, why dont you adopt an iraqi orphan, cause you really care about the IRaqis dont you

I said that in the third post of the thread...

Just like you, this bombing will really have no affect on my life, and I won't really do anything.

The only difference is I can admit that, whereas you have to act like this is some real tragedy for your life and today will be any different then yesterday... It won't be and we both know it.

This is a blatant attempt by Ron Paul supporters to derail my nomination.

John MCCain.

This happened 9 hours and 11 minutes after I ended my campaign because the terrorists now know they can win.

Rudy Guiliani

The markets are down, except when they're blown up, buy Moroni says the fundamentals (and fundamentalists) are strong.

Mitt Romney

Told ya!

Ron Paul

and that these sorts of bombings are part of what is acceptable under his definition of "working".


Since the surge began post a story of a bombing as large or larger then this one... please.

You're going to have a tough time doing so...

So saying "these sorts of bombings" is pretty ignorant.

Just like you, this bombing will really have no affect on my life, and I won't really do anything.

The only difference is I can admit that, whereas you have to act like this is some real tragedy for your life and today will be any different then yesterday... It won't be and we both know it.



yeah rob can admit he is an ammoral childman. congrats aint selfawareness wonderful. i suppose it is the first step to enlightenment. but rob is stuck there. he seems to revel in rolling in his own shit.

it really is sad rob that you dont think it has any effect on your life. but that is you rob. to stupid to stubborn to explore the world, just like your hero bush.

www.iraqbodycount.org


Since the surge began post a story of a bombing as large or larger then this one... please.

You're going to have a tough time doing so...

So saying "these sorts of bombings" is pretty ignorant


gee that took all of 10 seconds

A female suicide bomber blew herself up at the main pet market in central Baghdad, killing at least 46 people and wounding dozens in the deadliest bombing to strike the capital since 30,000 more American troops began flooding into central Iraq last spring, police said.

Ahhhh... that's where Good Morning America lead me astray... they said largest bombing since the surge began... they should have said largest bombing in Baghdad...

Oh well

damned liberal media hiding the bad news in iraq!

it really is sad rob that you dont think it has any effect on your life.

Please detail it out exactly how it effects yours.

That you've taken this long to give details about what you WILL do, or how its effected you, proves that you aren't going to do anything and it hasn't effected you either...

Nobody is going to trash you for admitting it dude, because everyone here feels the same way.

It hasn't effected you, and the more you protest it has the more pathetic you look.

rob, rob, rob, boyman

if you cant see how these deaths impact you, you are hopeless.

if you need it explained to you, your parents and the public school system and your church has failed you.

i dont believe it is worth trying to explain to you the meanings of these deaths or how the iraq fiasco is impacting you. you are an immoral boyman more interested in your childish pursuits.

a man looks at the world around him, looks at the future. the die has been cast and the piper will have to be paid.

but you dont get it so never mind.

No big deal. This kind of thing happens in markets in Indiana and Ohio all the time.

if you cant see how these deaths impact you, you are hopeless.

if you need it explained to you, your parents and the public school system and your church has failed you.


I don't think it effects me at all.

YOU are saying that it effects YOU. So I'm asking YOU to explain how these 51 deaths from thousands of miles away effects YOU.

You don't believe its worth explaining? I think its more you've been called out on your phoney outrage and sense of morality and now you're trying to flip the tables.

Explain how it effects you or admit you're a fucking liar and a phoney.

I think it affects me because my cousin is in the Marines and is stationed in Baghdad (I think) right now.


I think it affects me because my cousin is in the Marines and is stationed in Baghdad (I think) right now.

Posted by RastaCyborg at


First off thanks for the bold "affect" that added so much... you're so smart.

Second... the question is how do the deaths of those 51 affect you... Not the results of the bombing and the reaction by/on our troops... just the deaths of these 51.

"A female suicide bomber blew herself up at the main pet market in central Baghdad,"

Is that the same market where John McCain shops???

"blew herself up at the main pet market "

I hope none of the gerbils were harmed.


"A female suicide bomber blew herself up at the main pet market in central Baghdad,"

Is that the same market where John McCain shops???

Posted by danni


Are Hussein Obama's daughters both accounted for?

ok douchbag

first there is the moral aspect.

i for one actually care about 51 people dying (actually the number is 64). All war is vile, this war is particularly abhorrent given how we got into it. i get physically ill reading about the explosions and the burned and mutilated bodies. it actually gets me depressed-you dont care.

second there is national security.

every death in iraq makes america less safe. ever death creates more people who will hate and plot against us. all the good we do is for nought when we have to scare people to respect our nation, cause you cant kill all the bad guys, sooner or later they will find a weakness and exploit it.

third is the personal responsibility i feel. As an american I take a great deal of pride in my country. but I am ashamed at the policies enacted in the past 7 years. I am ashamed that republicans ruled our country and that bush actually got reelected and I am ashamed that democrats dont do more than they have to reign him in. I am one person, I do what I can. but I am ashamed that the US started a war of aggression based on lies. That is not the country I believe we are or should be.

fourth is the economic impact of this adventure. If you think that america can afford to spend what it is spending in iraq and on defense then you are a fool. america and as a result the world is in for hard times in the future, it has already begun where it was inevitable to start housing. if you cant see the link between america's economy and hte war in iraq,than that is your problem. if you dont think that iraq has not hit you financially you are a fool. the price of gas has doubled since we invaded iraq. that is real money out of your pocket. much of that increase is from FEAR caused by uncertainty in the world market.


but these dont mean anything to you. you can "work" hard all day posting on the drudge and feel good about yourself. you can go home play your video games like a teenage slacker thinking you are a man, you can look at your wife thinking she respects you but I strongly suspect that anyone who has worked hard enough to get a doctorate would look at your slacker childman attitude and say see yaaa but hey I could be wrong there.

"Are Hussein Obama's daughters both accounted for?"

Speaking of young black girls, how is John's illigitimate daughter???
I hear Romney is the Bush's choice so I have to wonder how Rove will torpedo John's campaign this time.

This just in....John McCain is Gay!!!

First off thanks for the bold "affect" that added so much... you're so smart.

You're welcome.

Second... the question is how do the deaths of those 51 affect you... Not the results of the bombing and the reaction by/on our troops... just the deaths of these 51.

Well, beside the fact that they're human beings (as a reptile, you might not really get the natural affinity that most human beings have for their fellow man), when I hear news reports of people blowing up in Baghdad it affects me because I'm not sure if my cousin was one of the people blown up; and it concerns me because when people are killed they leave behind lots of pissed off and angry other people who may continue the cycle of violence.

Are Hussein Obama's daughters both accounted for?

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at


wel we can rest assure that bush's daughters were no where near danger, unless excessive alchohol consumption is considered dangerous.

Are Hussein Obama's daughters both accounted for?

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole


Who is Hussein Obama?
Are you one of the knuckle draggers who believe that Obama is a muslim?

i get physically ill reading about the explosions and the burned and mutilated bodies

Liar...

How many times have you puked since this story was posted... I'm gonna bet 0.

every death in iraq makes america less safe

what if its just from old age?

fourth is the economic impact of this adventure

That has nothing to do with this bombing...

You know what I know now... you don't give a fuck about these 51... or any death in Iraq... you just like making your little speeches... you like people thinking that you are writing your congressman or giving to charity, but you and I both know you've never done such a thing.

you can look at your wife thinking she respects you but I strongly suspect that anyone who has worked hard enough to get a doctorate would look at your slacker childman attitude and say see yaaa but hey I could be wrong there.

Posted by truthhurts


I always know when I've gotten to someone when they bring up the old lady... thanks for playing douchebag.

Take your phoney outrage and morality lectures somewhere else... or just be a man and admit like me, it has no REAL affect on your life and you're just sticking to the lines you think you're supposed to say.

With a last name like "The_A_Hole", you'd think that you wouldn't bust on people because they have a strange name.

ok boyman, I realize you need to have hte last word, another example of your childishness.

go ahead have the last word, i allow it.

but remember you can not run from yourself and you have been warned.

Who is Hussein Obama?

Barack Hussein Obama? You know... Hopeful DNC presidential candidate...

Are you one of the knuckle draggers who believe that Obama is a muslim?

Posted by RastaCyborg at


No, I'm one of those posters who loves the reaction of bag of shit liberals whenever you mention Hussein...

It has a real effect on my life.

but remember you can not run from yourself and you have been warned.

Posted by truthhurts


I'm open and honest about the way I feel... you're the one who has to come here and fake what a humanitarian he is...

I've been warned?! LOL... what a tool.

No, I'm one of those posters who loves the reaction of bag of shit liberals whenever you mention Hussein...

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole


What, you mean the look of pity on their faces when they realize what an idiot you are?

"Who is Hussein Obama?

Barack Hussein Obama? You know... Hopeful DNC presidential candidate..."

Yeah, I get it A HOLE.


With a last name like "The_A_Hole", you'd think that you wouldn't bust on people because they have a strange name.

Posted by RastaCyborg


Being an asshole is American...

Being a Muslim isn't.

What, you mean the look of pity on their faces when they realize what an idiot you are?

Posted by RastaCyborg


LOL... yeah that's the reaction I got from your 938 post...

Just like Truthy... thank you for playing.

I think I'll start calling John McCain, Shithouse McCain just to piss off his conservative supporters.
Actually no, that would just make me look like a clueless moron.

Being an asshole is American...

Being a Muslim isn't.

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole


hmmm where is this stipulation in the Constitution?

you are a bigot.

Is a Catholic?


Or do you have to be a Calvinist?

"Being an asshole is American...

Being a Muslim isn't."

Let's ask some of your political heros about that. I think they will universally agree that being a Muslim can be American while they wish that Americans would not be assholes.

I think I'll start calling John McCain, Shithouse McCain just to piss off his conservative supporters.

Yeah, let me know how that works out...

"Being an asshole is American...

Being a Muslim isn't."

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole



Wrong.

But being an idiot is your forte'.
"The Founding Fathers, also, rarely practiced Christian orthodoxy. Although they supported the free exercise of any religion, they understood the dangers of religion. Most of them believed in deism and attended Freemasonry lodges. According to John J. Robinson, "Freemasonry had been a powerful force for religious freedom." Freemasons took seriously the principle that men should worship according to their own conscious. Masonry welcomed anyone from any religion or non-religion, as long as they believed in a Supreme Being. Washington, Franklin, Hancock, Hamilton, Lafayette, and many others accepted Freemasonry.
Treaty of Tripoli

The Constitution reflects our founders views of a secular government, protecting the freedom of any belief or unbelief. The historian, Robert Middlekauff, observed, "the idea that the Constitution expressed a moral view seems absurd. There were no genuine evangelicals in the Convention, and there were no heated declarations of Christian piety." "

www.earlyamerica.com

"The Framers derived an independent government out of Enlightenment thinking against the grievances caused by Great Britain. Our Founders paid little heed to political beliefs about Christianity. The 1st Amendment stands as the bulkhead against an establishment of religion and at the same time insures the free expression of any belief. The Treaty of Tripoli, an instrument of the Constitution, clearly stated our non-Christian foundation. We inherited common law from Great Britain which derived from pre-Christian Saxons rather than from Biblical scripture.

Today we have powerful Christian organizations who work to spread historical myths about early America and attempt to bring a Christian theocracy to the government. If this ever happens, then indeed, we will have ignored the lessons from history. Fortunately, most liberal Christians today agree with the principles of separation of church and State, just as they did in early America.

"They all attributed the peaceful dominion of religion in their country mainly to the separation of church and state. I do not hesitate to affirm that during my stay in America I did not meet a single individual, of the clergy or the laity, who was not of the same opinion on this point"

-Alexis de Tocqueville, Democracy in America, 1835 "

Our constitution guarantees freedom of religion, does it guarantee freedom to be an asshole???
I don't think so.
Rob could be the first test case. I'll contact the ACLU for him. They love to defend lots of assholes, like people who are addicted to Oxycontin.

you are a bigot.

Posted by truthhurts


LOL... I've really gotten under your skin today...

Don't worry... unlike that rash you got from a jersey turnpike hooker, I have to leave in a few minutes...

LOL... yeah that's the reaction I got from your 938 post...

Just like Truthy... thank you for playing.

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole


That IS the reaction you got. I pity you. You grew up in one of the greatest countries on earth with access to a good education and you still turned out to be a bitter moron.

Being an asshole is American...

Being a Muslim isn't.

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole


Being an asshole is American... that figures.
You're a clown. Why bother taking you seriously anymore?

This thread is evolving into an all about Rob thing, he loves the attention. Adios.


Being an asshole is American...

Being a Muslim isn't.

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2008-02-01 09:44 AM



I think rob has finally been hoisted on his own petard.

he has really lost it.

his true colors are clear as as the spiteful nose on his face

good point danni

peace

Okay guys... really... go get a cup of coffee and everyone meet back here with a sense of humor.

Obama is not a Muslim... I said that to get a rise out of Rasta, but thank you to all for playing along...

Now here's where Truthy comes out and says I'm backpeddaling, but here's a post to counter that...

Reports of 'Barack Hussein Obama' robocalls in Nevada.

Seems Hillary's people play like Rob The Ahole

Posted by AMERICANUNITY


Or maybe I was right all along and libs who thought it wouldn't happen were a tad naive...

The guys freaking name is HUSSEIN and we're at war with muslims! Even though he's a Christian, did you really think that wouldn't come up?

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2008-01-19 06:34 PM

Perhaps my reply to Rasta needs repeating:

No, I'm one of those posters who loves the reaction of bag of shit liberals whenever you mention Hussein...

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole


Normally only one poster freaks out when you bring up his middle name, but here it took over and blew up an entire thread... lol... fantastic.

no rob, I dont really care about your reference to barrak obama, i figure it will be SOP to call him hussein with all that implies.


I do think though that you were being sincere when you said muslims are not american.

I do think though that you were being sincere when you said muslims are not american.

Posted by truthhurts


Again... phoney outrage... No you don't... you're smart enough to recognize it for what it was...

But I'm guessing now you'll lock that comment away with the "Fuck 'Em" comment and act like it meant something else in future threads.

outrage? hardly, i really dont care about your prejudices. That post just made it perfectly clear.

I really dont think you were kidding and I think now you are realizing the stupidity of your post, but whatever

again, i am sucked into the rob world.

peace out.

I really dont think you were kidding and I think now you are realizing the stupidity of your post

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA....

From my 9:52

Now here's where Truthy comes out and says I'm backpeddaling

God damn I'm good...

predicting that someone would call you out on your bigotry and realization that you are a bigot and trying to do damage control is hardly psychic

I guess predicting a typical liberal knee jerk reaction isn't that great an accomplishment... but specifically knowing it would be you that would do it was pretty good.

"call him hussein with all that implies"

As Jon Stewart pointed out in his interview with Peggy Noonan, it usually implies one is using race to divide, and is ultimately a very small person.

such accomplishments rob, you must be proud. so tell me einstien will the sun come up tommorow?

so tell me einstien will the sun come up tommorow?

You're saying you going around calling people bigots is as regular as the sunrise?

As Jon Stewart pointed out in his interview with Peggy Noonan, it usually implies one is using race to divide

Race? Really? What race is a Muslim?



Since the surge began post a story of a bombing as large or larger then this one... please.

You're going to have a tough time doing so...

So saying "these sorts of bombings" is pretty ignorant.

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole


Hmmm .... so does that mean that the surge is no longer working, or does this bombing fall under the definition of "Success"?

Just trying to get an idea of your concept of "success", because it seems to change so much.

so does that mean that the surge is no longer working

I don't think anyone has ever said the sure would result in zero violence throughout the entire country...

But there is decreased violence even with this bombing, so the Surge is still working.



I can't until I hear how your Friday will be different from your Thursday thanks to this tragic bombing.

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole



That is completely lame, Rob. I know you're not that shallow - you have simply run out of sensible things to say on this topic - you refuse to acknowledge the facts(or at least incorporate some of them into your reasoning), and are resorting to these rather adolescent diversions.

I guess I can relate and sympathize with the misfortunes of others, in SPITE of the fact that my cirmunstances are not directly affected, except in this way: it makes me feel fortunate that is isn't happening here, and angered that the very policy we are pursuing is probably making it more likely that it someday will, due to the hatred that we are still inflaming among the fanatics.


You're saying you going around calling people bigots is as regular as the sunrise?


if the person is a bigot yes

or could you explain how thinking muslims cannot be americans is not bigotry?

It's been almost five years since the Iraq War started and still we get news like this nearly every day because the security situation is obviously still out of control. The total of Iraqi dead and injured are not usually this high but if coalition deaths and injuries are 35,000+ out of say 2 million(?) who have served there for a minimum of 6 months then it's anybody's guess what the total dead and injured for the Iraqi population of 25 million is because they get to stay there all the time unless they are among the 2 million(?) refugees. Including collateral effects it has to be at least ten times our 35,000+ total and is probably much, much higher.

Most American now agree that the war was a mistake in the first place and that the premises for it were dubious to say the least. The analogy to Vietnam is inecapable in that we stayed there incurring further death, injury and cost several years beyond the time that it became obvious that we could not "win". It will be supremely difficult to successfully engage the international community to find a way to get out of Iraq without leaving behind an even bigger bloodbath than now but a way must be found and we obviously need a new President for that. Neither McCain nor Hillary offer much hope because they are basically Bush minus the arrogance, stupidity and corruption. Yet another reason not to vote for either of them.

or could you explain how thinking muslims cannot be americans is not bigotry?

Posted by truthhurts at


Maybe it was a deliberate statement to get people like Rasta who had just flipped about Obama's middle name riled up?

I mean if that were the case if failed miserably...

But you already know that... you're not an idiot. Just like with the "Fuck 'Em" comment from many months back, you just want to pretend it meant something else because that's all you've got... and you're probably a little pissed you got called on your fake sympathy.

I guess I can relate and sympathize with the misfortunes of others

You can relate to 51 people being blown up in a pet store?

Hey Truthy you have company... another fucking liar just came on board...

The McCain campaign just announced 52 Americans were blown up in a farmers market in Gary Indiana.

"But there is decreased violence even with this bombing, so the Surge is still working."

First, the violence has only "decreased" to the levels it was in 2004.

Second, the stated purpose of "the Surge" was to give the Iraqis breathing room to find a political solution. By the administration's own measure, the surge is a failure.

What you're referencing---the drop in American casualties---is the silver lining, not any success with regards to "the Surge".

Oh yeah, can anybody tell me how the 2007 Iraqi provincial elections turned out? They were part of the reason we surged.
So the Iraqis would step up and all.

"Fuck 'Em" comment from many months back, you just want to pretend it meant something else because that's all you've got... and you're probably a little pissed you got called on your fake sympathy.

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2008-02-01 10:58 AM


Like your "Fuck the Sunni's. Kill them all" comment from awhile back?

Like your "Fuck the Sunni's. Kill them all" comment from awhile back?

Posted by briwo


Is that an exact quote... can we get a timestamp on that... maybe a link?


BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Two mentally disabled women were strapped with explosives Friday and sent into busy Baghdad markets, where they were blown up by remote control, a top Iraqi government official said.


Iraqi soldiers secure the scene of a bombing Friday at a popular pet market in central Baghdad.

1 of 2 The bombs killed at least 98 people and wounded more than 200 at two popular pet markets on the holiest day of the week for Muslims, authorities said.

In both bombings, the attackers were mentally disabled women whose explosive belts were remotely detonated, Gen. Qasim Atta, spokesman for Baghdad's security plan, told state television.

How fucked up is this?

Its 7th century stuff ... all of it.

The women had Downs Syndrome and of course were just used by these animals to deliver the bombs to kill what's been reported now as more then 70 innocent people.

I blame low al qaeda enrollment.

Pretty sick when you use mentally retarded people or children as human bombs.

Using women will make it even more difficult for physical searches to be conducted by security guards to see if they might be carrying explosive devices due to Muslim religious and cultural inhibitions about touching/searching females.

Plus, in crowded markets where so many of these bombs have gone off in the past, the vast majority of shoppers are probably women and children making it even easier for a female bomber to blend in with the crowd.

Prediction: You sit on your couch watching porn and eating cheetoes, then lauging at your orange pecker.

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2008-02-01 08:53 AM

Projecting again Wobbie?


Like your "Fuck the Sunni's. Kill them all" comment from awhile back?

Posted by briwo


Is that an exact quote... can we get a timestamp on that... maybe a link?

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2008-02-01 11:51 AM


If I felt like wasting the time but since everyone remembers you posting, there's no point.
Unless you're going to deny you posted it, then I can ask Hans to bring back to the light.

In all honesty, what do you use yours for?

Did anyone else feel a giant hole ripped in The Force?

Feeling woozy . . .

RiR-

Funny you say that, I felt the same way when I saw this in my RSS.

Savages.

Its 7th century stuff ... all of it.

Not as sophisticated and deadly as a B-1, but as Rumsfield famously said, you make do with what you have.

Not as sophisticated and deadly as a B-1, but as Rumsfield famously said, you make do with what you have.

Posted by Ray at 2008-02-01 07:12 PM


C'mon Ray, do you think that all they have is women with Downs Syndrome to carry out thier attacks?

That post was either unbelievably stupid, or you have no soul.

As long as they weren't waterboarded.

Souls don't exist Lefty. There are no rules when you are up against a more powerful enemy. That's reality whether you like it or not.

Ray-

LCL was talking about you, not al queda/insurgents/freedom fighters, or whatever MoreOn.org is calling them this week.

"Rob, either post an example of Democrats "cheerleading for death" or STFU.


Deal:
www.drudge.com"
--ROB_THE_A_HOLE


lol

FF

Republicans can celebrate these deaths like they do all the others. Republicans love to see Muslims die because they all love Zionism so much

RoC

I get plenty of criticism by idiots who don't like to be reminded that the American war machine has killed and destroyed more than a backward culture is remotely capable of. What rules did Bush follow when he order the attack and occupation of a nation that was no threat to us. But then you same idiots all of a sudden get hypersensitive when they convert retarded women into bombs.

If I felt like wasting the time but since everyone remembers you posting, there's no point.
Unless you're going to deny you posted it, then I can ask Hans to bring back to the light.

Posted by briwo


I don't think what you put in quotes was what I said...

the thread where I said "Fuck 'Em" in regards to the Sunnis was on a thread I believe titled "Sunni Baghdad in Ruins" or something of that sort...

the post where I said "Fuck em" went something like, "Aren't the Sunnis the ones who have been attacking us all these years? Well, Fuck 'em."

I'm almost 99% sure it wasn't, "Fuck the Sunni's. Kill them all," but if it was I'll admit I was wrong... I'm guessing you won't though.

Projecting again Wobbie?

Posted by briwo


Wow... with clever writing like this, its just a crime Air America hasn't picked up your show yet.

so Condi comes out and declares it another heneous crime by al Qaeda, as if we know who pushed the button.

Repeat a lie, repeat a lie, repeat a lie, repeat a lie, repeat a lie, repeat a lie, repeat a lie, repeat a lie, repeat a lie, repeat a lie, repeat a lie, repeat a lie, repeat a lie, repeat a lie, repeat a lie, repeat a lie, isn't TV a wonderful weapon against people.

Wait a f**king minute, these arseholes are using mentally retarded people and strapping bombs on them and then detonating them remotely and you left wing arseholes have no problem with this? WTF? Are you going to tell me that it is fine to strap bombs to babies and puppies now? Jesus H Christ, you people are seriously f**cked up.

Desperate people will do desperate things. That's not an endorsement; that's reality. Litlebrit misses the point.

Ray - no I do not miss the point, you miss the point that these assholes are willing to strap explosives to a mentally ill person for the sake of their "cause" there is simply nothing more f**ked up than being willing to strap a bomb to a mentally ill person who has no idea what is going to happen to them. If you cannot see that this is totally and utterly f**cked up then you are sad to be honest. The fact is they are quite happy to murder mentally ill people to get their point across, yeah, they are really the norm. These people are the scum of the earth, they deserve nothing but a really nasty, painful death. Any person who puts a bomb vest on a retarted person to go out and then remotely detonate the bomb, is SICK, SICK, SICK, SICK.

WOW....strapping bombs to retarted women....i guess the radical islamist were not man enough to committ jihad themselves.....you know when islamist committ acts in desperation like this....they are losing the battle to recruit new members


like i said before...when you kill a AQ commander...the replacement is never as smart or as well connected....the same applies to suicide bomber....the replacements are never as smart or willing

when you can not exploit heathy minded individuals....all thats left is the bottom of the barrel....i guess jihad is at the end of its bell curve

Litlebrit
Is dropping bombs from B-1s supposed to be more healthy.

"The coordinated blasts -- coming 20 minutes apart in different parts of the city -- appeared to reinforce U.S. claims al-Qaida in Iraq..."

Is that the bar now? Any similar attacks are automatically Al-Qaida? Or does that just play better in the press? How is it AQ is about 2% of the insurgents, yet responsible for about 99% of the attacks?

Ray - please tell me a recent time that a B1 has dropped a bomb on someone.

Almost on a regular basis. Part of Petrous' strategy was to use the Air Force to minimize the danger to ground forces. It was a regular occurrence after the Gulf War leading up to the invasion. The military euphemistically called them "flyovers." The objective was to destroy Iraq's infrastructure. Estimates of dead where in the hundreds of thousands.

Link? Now.

American G.I.'s equally Retarded!

Guess who's also retarded - anyone who willingly joins the US Military and goes to fight Bush's "Oil War" in Iaq!!!

Before the Gulf War, Iraq had one of the lowest infant mortality rates in the world. Today it is the highest. The economic sanctions imposed by the United Nations Security Council denied Iraq the equipment it needed to clean up the battlefields from the Gulf War. The battlefields needed to be cleaned up because the depleted uranium that was discharged by American and British bombs carried with them a silent death that was far more devastating than the initial blasts would have suggested. There are regions in Iraq where as many as 40% of the children living nearby now have cancer. It is not unusual for several children in one family to have cancer. Those who don't have cancer today are expected to get it later in life.
Mediamonitors

Slate
CBS

nice try

What is "nice try" supposed to mean. I provided links. Does Realpluss have better facts?

"Fuck the Sunni's. Kill them all," but if it was I'll admit I was wrong... I'm guessing you won't though.

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2008-02-01 07:52 PM


Rob, I'm 95% sure the exact quote was "Fuck the Sunni's. Kill them all."

I'm sure it was part of a larger post, but that is what I remember you posting.

Of course I could be wrong as well.

Are you going to tell me that it is fine to strap bombs to babies and puppies now? Jesus H Christ, you people are seriously f**cked up.

Posted by Litlebritdifrnt at 2008-02-01 08:28 PM

Babies: Yes
Puppies: No

Wow... with clever writing like this, its just a crime Air America hasn't picked up your show yet.

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2008-02-01 07:53 PM


I know. It would be nice making a living just running off at the mouth lke Rush, Hanity, O'Liely Etc.

Rob, I know you don't listen to my show, but you have to hear the archive with Shirley, it's wild.

So, Pats or Giants?

I know. It would be nice making a living just running off at the mouth lke Rush, Hanity, O'Liely Etc.

Or Rob.

It's time for Chimpy to bring out the big guns.

www.theonion.com

"Suicides among active-duty soldiers in 2007 reached their highest level since the Army began keeping such records in 1980, according to a draft internal study obtained by The Washington Post. Last year, 121 soldiers took their own lives, nearly 20 percent more than in 2006.

"At the same time, the number of attempted suicides or self-inflicted injuries in the Army has jumped sixfold since the Iraq war began. Last year, about 2,100 soldiers injured themselves or attempted suicide, compared with about 350 in 2002, according to the U.S. Army Medical Command Suicide Prevention Action Plan.

"The conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan have placed severe stress on the Army, caused in part by repeated and lengthened deployments. Historically, suicide rates tend to decrease when soldiers are in conflicts overseas, but that trend has reversed in recent years. From a suicide rate of 9.8 per 100,000 active-duty soldiers in 2001 -- the lowest rate on record -- the Army reached an all-time high of 17.5 suicides per 100,000 active-duty soldiers in 2006."

Rob, I know you don't listen to my show, but you have to hear the archive with Shirley, it's wild.

I have XM and I listen to Ron & Fez who have her on a couple times a year. At first she was really funny to listen to just because she was so fucking nuts, but eventually it got sad and embarassing. I will go to your archives and listen to it...

I have nothing against your show... if I had time on my weekends, I probably would listen... I'll check out that archive, and probably a few others.

Did she sing that "Pope is on fire" song with her kids? On R&F she pulls her kids onto the phone and sing "The Pope is on Fire," to the "Roof is on fire." What a fucking lunatic...

I want to see the addendum clause in the Geneva convention:

No man at war can use retards, idiot savants, rob the ahole, people with autism, etc. etc. to deceptively harm his opponent in time of war.

No man at war can use retards, idiot savants, rob the ahole, people with autism, etc.

Not as funny as you probably thought it was... but E for effort...

"this bombing will really have no affect on my life"
Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2008-02-01 09:00 AM

Yet, here you are, 25 hours later still thinking about it.

Without being overly sarcastic. Wouldn't the term "retarded" be an oxymoron? Or at least minimalist?

Rob: Lunatic is right. No, no singing thank god.

But check it out, I got hert to agree to debate Dan Barker from Freedom From Religion Foundation http://www.ffrf.org

on my show! Should be early March and a real blast to listen to. Dan was an evangelical until he was a bout 24 and realized he was an atheist.

"Retarded Women Used in Iraq Bombings"

But I thought Ann Coulter was on Fox yesterday? I'm confused.

"There are no rules when you are up against a more powerful enemy. That's reality whether you like it or not."

So who was the more powerful enemy? The retarded women or the 99 Iraqi shoppers who died?

I happen to believe that the term "war crime" is highly overused. You do whatever you have to do to the enemy in order to win or you end up losing. That is why fighting wars for reasons that necessitate we "win the hearts and minds" of an occupied population is idiotic.

However, random innocents are not the "more powerful enemy" you seem to think they are. This was not an attack on the occupiers. It was an attack against the Iraqi people, whom these psychos are trying to pound into submission for the long term. They aren't fighting for the US to leave, they are fighting for domination of the country whether the US is there or not. This is fairly obvious.

Wouldnt you have to be retarted to be a Muslim in the first place--??

I mean I guess this was inevitable--Muslims are like Nazis except they hate women as much as they hate Jews

Typical pablum from America, the land of the brain dead.
I happen to believe that the term "war crime" is highly overused.

And what do YOU call the destruction of two nations that were no threat to us?

You do whatever you have to do to the enemy in order to win or you end up losing.

And what do "we" risk losing besides "our" pride? They are "our" enemy because?

They aren't fighting for the US to leave, they are fighting for domination of the country whether the US is there or not. This is fairly obvious.

It's obvious too that it IS their country, at least what is left of it.

"And what do YOU call the destruction of two nations that were no threat to us?"

Iraq was not threat to us. I call that invasion idiotic and self destructive. If the people who lied and blundered us into it were to be locked up, I would be happy. The former Afghani government participated in multiple attacks against us. They very clearly were a threat to us. Two very different situations....Only an idiot would say otherwise.....

"And what do "we" risk losing besides "our" pride? They are "our" enemy because?"

The quote you are questioning was a comment about war in general, not Iraq. And that was obvious. We have nothing to win in Iraq. The whole thing is a loss no matter what happens.

"It's obvious too that it IS their country, at least what is left of it."

I'm not trying to justify our presence in Iraq. I want us to leave today. But the idea that these psychos have the right to blow up innocent Iraqis because its "their country" is quite hypocritical coming from someone posing on his moral high horse.

The former Afghani government participated in multiple attacks against us. They very clearly were a threat to us. Two very different situations....Only an idiot would say otherwise.....

What threat could be so great that justifies our military has been there five years? Bin Laden was a resident of the country, not an official of the Taliban.

But the idea that these psychos have the right to blow up innocent Iraqis because its "their country" is quite hypocritical coming from someone posing on his moral high horse.

We can't stop it but at least we wouldn't be contributing to it. The Israelis have been no more successful. By that logic, there is plenty of military work in Africa. In a nation of jack asses, I remain on my moral high horse.

BTW Sully

Pakistan is a powder keg with a good chance of blowing up in our faces. It has a lot to do with our long term presence in Afghanistan and interference in Pakistani affairs.

I've read a lot of history from the beginning of civilization to the present. But it takes living it to get a sense of how stupid the masses and their political leaders can be.

"What threat could be so great that justifies our military has been there five years? Bin Laden was a resident of the country, not an official of the Taliban."

The Taliban knew exactly what Bin Laden was up to and chose to help him attack us multiple times. Whether or not Bin Laden was a citizen of Afghanistan, the former Afghani government participated in attacks against us in their own right. The Taliban also had the option of turning Bin Laden over after 9/11 and chose war instead. The Taliban and Bin Laden's branch of Al Queda were sister organizations in many ways. They fought side by side for many years against common enemies. This is well documented and hasn't been denied. Perhaps you should read up on this....

If it were up to me, we would have let the warlords of the Northern Alliance take over years ago with the understanding that if they support anti-US terrorists, we are going to pound them. Then we could have left. Everyone would have been much happier. The whole idea that you have to turn countries who attack you into a democracy against their will is idiotic.

"We can't stop it but at least we wouldn't be contributing to it."

We created an opportunity for certain parties to try and take over Iraq and they've seized it. On that count, we are guilty.

But people like you will still be blaming the US for the actions of every murderer in Iraq for years after we leave. So stop pretending you need the US to be in Iraq in order for you to continue your justification of the actions of psychopaths who blow up random shoppers using the retarded. You have no standards and are incapable of realizing that two opposing parties can both be wrong.

"In a nation of jack asses, I remain on my moral high horse."

You don't seem to have any real morals.

"We created an opportunity for certain parties to try and take over Iraq and they've seized it. On that count, we are guilty."

Before you respond, this is not the only harm we've done in Iraq and I realize that. I was talking specifically about your charge that we "contribute" to blowing up bizarres using innocent dupes.

"Pakistan is a powder keg with a good chance of blowing up in our faces. It has a lot to do with our long term presence in Afghanistan and interference in Pakistani affairs."

To the extent that they want to help people who repeatedly attack us, that is our business. I don't like the way we go about addressing the threat but there are two sides to the story. The reality is that even if we had a perfect strategy for eliminating the real threat against us, they would resent us for carrying it out because many Pakistanis are sympathetic to our real enemies. And that is just too fucking bad.

And Mushy would still be clinging to power whether or not he had a a "friend" in the Whitehouse. To blame the US for him is very naive.

"blowing up bizarres"

I think there is a spelling mistake there...

"I've read a lot of history from the beginning of civilization to the present."

Did you skip THIS part?

www.barkati.net

"I think there is a spelling mistake there..."

Posted by Sully

They aren't destroying old Zappa records?
What a relief!


The Taliban knew exactly what Bin Laden was up to and chose to help him attack us multiple times.


That sounds like a wild assumption. Up to that time the US was subsidizing the Taliban, for pipeline rights. As I remember the story, the Taliban asked the US for proof that bin Laden was involved in 9/11 and the US could not provide any. As far as I know, there is still no proof he had any part of the attack.

That still doesn't justify our five year presence, especially since the hunt for bin Laden as been abandoned.

So stop pretending you need the US to be in Iraq in order for you to continue your justification of the actions of psychopaths who blow up random shoppers using the retarded.

Whaaaa? Was that a typo? I've wanted to see them out yesterday from the first day of the invasion. Modern technology is much more efficient at killing. See my post at 9:50.

You have no standards and are incapable of realizing that two opposing parties can both be wrong.

Two wrongs still don't make a right.

You don't seem to have any real morals.

So now the fact that they've used retarded women as bombs justifies killing more Iraqis? I don't get any sense that you know what morals are.

Jest
I don't recall ever saying there was anything about their culture and religion to admire. The two freakin sects are still fighting among each other like Catholics and Protestants during the Middle Ages.

To the extent that they want to help people who repeatedly attack us, that is our business

Whaaaa?

The reality is that even if we had a perfect strategy for eliminating the real threat against us, they would resent us for carrying it out because many Pakistanis are sympathetic to our real enemies.

We you think defending Israel, destroying two nations, propping up dictatorial Arab regimes including their own should be okay with them?

Sully - You have a hard time accepting that our government has squandered $trillions in military interventions with nothing to show but a long list of enemies.

"Sully - You have a hard time accepting that our government has squandered $trillions in military interventions with nothing to show but a long list of enemies."

No, I don't. I say as much all the time. I just don't use our destructive blunders as an excuse to justify random murders committed by others the way you do.

"So now the fact that they've used retarded women as bombs justifies killing more Iraqis? I don't get any sense that you know what morals are."

No, I very clearly said we should leave Iraq today multiple times on this thread. You are the one who claimed that using retarded women as bombs is a legitimate way to "fight a more powerful enemy". Unless the Iraqi people they are trying to intimidate are this "more powerful enemy", you aren't making much sense.

"As far as I know, there is still no proof he had any part of the attack."

He's admitted to it. He admitted to previous attacks as well, each followed by a threat of bigger and badder things.... I supposed you can use semantics to pretend that nothing can be "proven" but I have no interest in arguing with a sophist.

"That still doesn't justify our five year presence, especially since the hunt for bin Laden as been abandoned."

I've already told you we messed this up. Under more competent leadership, Bin Laden would be dead and our Northern Alliance allies would be in charge. That opportunity was wasted. So the job of the next US president will be to figure out a way to get us out without allowing the same people who keep attacking us to take over again. Screwing this up from the get go has really cost us.

"Two wrongs still don't make a right."

You are the one justifying atrocities by saying blowing up innocent shoppers is somehow OK because we invaded "their" country. I'm the one saying that both the invasion and the crazies blowing up random people are wrong.

"We you think defending Israel, destroying two nations, propping up dictatorial Arab regimes including their own should be okay with them?"

Oh please. Pakistanis dont' care about Palestinians. They do nothing for those people just like 99.99% of the Muslims who screach about this. I think our relationship with Israel is assinine but I'm not some dupe who believes these bullshit artists really care about Palestinians. And high ranking Pakistanis were friends of the Taliban well before we invaded anyone or became friendly with Mushy. Not every act of hatred against us is a rational response to some slight. Bin Laden's family is much more a part of the system that keeps Muslims poor and ignorant than anyone in the US could ever be....






"Jest
I don't recall ever saying there was anything about their culture and religion to admire. The two freakin sects are still fighting among each other like Catholics and Protestants during the Middle Ages."

Not just amongst themselves, but just notice the number of times you see the words, "Conquest," "battle," "invasion," "campaign" etc. As a student of history, I'm sure you're familiar with the "Gates of Vienna"...right? Guess what, they're back there again.

en.wikipedia.org

www.melaniephillips.com

www.melaniephillips.com

That sounds like a wild assumption. Up to that time the US was subsidizing the Taliban, for pipeline rights. As I remember the story, the Taliban asked the US for proof that bin Laden was involved in 9/11 and the US could not provide any. As far as I know, there is still no proof he had any part of the attack.

Sometimes I really wonder if people are tuned in to what's happening in current affairs or is it a bias so in trenched in their hearts, they make up comments. The statement above poses no real evidence to the contrary of what's really out there. Earth calling Ray, come in Ray...lol...

Bin Laden on a video with his own words admitted to involvement with 9/11...Earth calling Ray come in Ray...lol

In 1994, when 2,000 civilians died during that war against the Serbs on behalf on the Muslim population, was that war justified in your mind or not?

Was it justify to turn our back during 1994 to Genocide happening in Africa and do nothing? Earth calling Ray come in Ray.

Saddam even though he was killing his own people would still be in power today if he didn't invade Kuwait calling it the "19th providence" of Iraq.

In all reality, it's really hard to debate someone who has an axe to grind with the US either for political or religious reasons. The US is far from being perfect, I have my own issues on it's policies, but it's in the context of reality not with an axe to grind. The US does want the Iraqi people to govern themselves, and the terrorists do not...The terrorist are loosing with morale of their own going down, when they are afraid to die for their own because using mentally disabled people to carry their bombs while they press a button is a cowardly act.

They are loosing because they are attacking everyone, man, woman, and child...All they are trying to win is a mind war, hoping the enemy will give up...

Sully - you are baseless and confused

I just don't use our destructive blunders as an excuse to justify random murders committed by others the way you do.

You are the one who claimed that using retarded women as bombs is a legitimate way to "fight a more powerful enemy".

You are the one justifying atrocities by saying blowing up innocent shoppers is somehow OK because we invaded "their" country.

I don't justify killing except in self defense. Certainly the women were victimized. What I tried to explain was a natural consequence to our killing. The longer we stay, the more we kill; the more we increase the hate and the desperation to kill back.

If you continually beat your German Shepherd and some day he bites back, I would say you brought it on yourself. Let's be clear that the initial aggressor was the US. Do you expect them to just take it and do nothing? The same logic applies to the Israel-Palestine issue.

This is life. This is the way it operates. I don't know about you, I deal with reality by accepting it. I reject that Jesus turn-the-other-cheek nonsense.

Not just amongst themselves, but just notice the number of times you see the words, "Conquest," "battle," "invasion," "campaign" etc.

The same goes for Ancient, American, European and Asian history. We're not much different genetically today then we were a hundred thousand years ago.

Bin Laden on a video with his own words admitted to involvement with 9/11...Earth calling Ray come in Ray...lol

I remember that well. Vague words were twisted into a confession. Go ahead Mike. Get the words and I'll show you how they were twisted.

In 1994, when 2,000 civilians died during that war against the Serbs on behalf on the Muslim population, was that war justified in your mind or not?

And what did that have to do with us?

It's disheartening to see our government engaging in military interventions all around the world and see simple well meaning people like Sully and Mike feel some obligation to justify it. That is how a nation destroys itself. It's only a matter of time now. Maybe the next president.

"I don't justify killing except in self defense. Certainly the women were victimized. What I tried to explain was a natural consequence to our killing."

And that is bullshit. If they were attacking US soldiers you'd have a point. You keep acting as if the two retarded women were the only non-military targets here. Every single person killed was an innocent Iraqi civlian - all 99. Attacking their fellow countrymen at random is not a rational response to our invasion. That isn't fighting occupation to anyone but you. They aren't trying to scare the US out. They are trying to intimidate the Iraqi public. They are looking past the occuption to the day they can take over. I'm not saying that as a reason to stay. I don't want us to stay. I'm just telling you why they would bomb innocent people rather than occupying forces.

"Let's be clear that the initial aggressor was the US. Do you expect them to just take it and do nothing? "

Against, they aren't fighting back against us. They are blowing up innocent people who are out shopping. What have those fucking shoppers done to them Ray? Pray tell..... You are fucking thick as hell......

"It's disheartening to see our government engaging in military interventions all around the world and see simple well meaning people like Sully and Mike feel some obligation to justify it."

I said we had reason to hit Afghanistan in self defense. I've repeatedly said we never had any reason to be in Iraq and that still holds true. You keep pretending that I want us to be in Iraq for some odd reason.... I'm done trying to reason with a sophist. You can't even tell the difference between Iraqi people out shopping and military targets. Why you continue to pretend I support the war in Iraq or that this insurgent attack was on the US rather than Iraqi civilians is a mystery. You are either crazy, mentally challenge or just trolling to get rise. I don't care which it is anymore.....

You are fucking thick as hell.

The feeling is mutual!

You are mentally challenge

Ditto!

The Bush invasion unleashed a civil war. It was an inevitable consequence of the invasion. You better believe I'm holding Bush accountable for the destruction of Iraq and the civil war.

You can't even tell the difference between Iraqi people out shopping and military targets

What I said originally about desperate people doing desperate things still stands.
You don't know the difference between explaining something as cause and effect, and endorsing it, no matter how many times I've tried. Where is your moral indignation about the bombing of Iraq and Afghanistan? Surely you don't imagine that bombs only kill bad people.

I said we had reason to hit Afghanistan in self defense.

It's a stupid reason that only got is bogged down for five years with no end in sight and bin Laden no where to be found. Soon Pakistan will be our enemy.

So get off your crazy horse that using retarded women to kill a shopping crowd is somehow more immoral than bombing innocents from the sky.

This country won't have peace until it closes down every military base in a foreign country and stops trying to remake the world. It doesn't get any more moral than that.

The bomber must have been a dem.

Where are the Bush skanks?

I guess you'd call these not so smart bombs...

Danni you mean the muslims that rig up girls that have autism to explode? Thats what I thought you meant.

Late term abortion?

thereligionofpeace.com<>

Ya gotta be retarded to strap a bomb to your ass and blow yourself up.

"and blow yourself up"

They were remotely detonated.
Do try and do a little research at least once.

Wanna wear this cool belt? Just let this little wire hang straight down ...

youtube.com

Zat,

Given Snipers theorem, maybe these women weren't retarded, as one could be...

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