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Wednesday, January 30, 2008

Republican Mitt Romney said John McCain used dirty tricks by suggesting shortly before the Florida primary that the former Massachusetts governor wanted a deadline for withdrawing U.S. troops from Iraq, as the two men squared off in a spirited debate Wednesday night.

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Who will pick up the battle cry of "9-11" now that Sir Rude has bailed?
Will Romney claim he saw his father at the WTC when it fell? Will Johnnyboy say the saudi attack is the perfect reason to blow up Iranians?
Will Ron Paul finally get some decent air time?

"Will Ron Paul finally get some decent air time?"

If only, FF!

Giuliani gets last stab @ Ron Paul before quitting 1/29/08

www.youtube.com

Do you really think a Repub can take California?

Maybe you have been smoking some of that medical mary jane!

"Will Romney claim he saw his father at the WTC when it fell?"

I am by no means a Romney supporter, but it was pretty amazing what he did in shutting down his business and flying people into New York to help find his colleague's daughter in the chaos after 9/11.

The Reagan Libray? Fucking awesome!

Terrible start for Romney. Won't answer a simple question about whether we're better off after the last eight years.

McCain loves to lie

Another Punch and Judy show.

Go Ron Paul!

Paul should get one day a month to wander through D.C. killing federal programs.

Just how much oil does Romney pour on his hair? A barrel?

Great, OREILLY is here. Should be a lot of meaningful dialog.

Actually RCADE raise that to one per week and either party should appoint him to go after it, no hands barred.

"Great, OREILLY is here. Should be a lot of meaningful dialog."

Troll alert!

See what I mean....you are the gift that always gives....right on cue.


The Reagan Libray? Fucking awesome!

Posted by wisgod


Don't wet yourself.

Romney: "Hey, I didn't raise taxes $750 million, Mr. McCain! I raised them $250 mill- oh shit!"

"Great, OREILLY is here. Should be a lot of meaningful dialog.

Posted by ride_on at 2008-01-30 08:14 PM"

Wow. Coming from someone who hasn't posted a substantive comment in over four months, that must have really stung Bill.

YAWN.

I promise to do this. I promise to do that.

NOT REALLY! I HAD MY FINGERS CROSSED!

.....leave me alone Monte....just think someday I may be a "successful" attorney too.....

sheesh wis......that's a big FF (I even say that with the risk of Monte shaming my FF comment....might hurt my chances of possibly becoming that big "successful" attorney one day (just like him), cause ya know that should be everyone's goal and dream)

Sheesh. Anderson just cut off Ron Paul after less than two minutes of an answer.

It's ok RCADE...he's a big boy and he'll get his points in.

Like I said........

McCain would like some of the young voters with that Ron Paul remark

I wonder if McCain is going to pick Kemp for VP. He sure has been invoking his name a lot lately.

Romney just said the Reagan Revolution was followed by the "Bush Revolution" and implied he's a member.

The Bush Revolution? Has Romney seen the guy's approval ratings at any point in the past two years?

McCain can't pick Kemp. Too reminiscent of the last war hero older senator who ran for president against a Clinton.

I have been saying, and I keep saying (I am consistent like that) McCain is too damn old to be the president, the job ages people, frightenly so, (is frightenly a word?) can you imagine what the hell he will look like after four years in the WH, (and believe me that is his limit, 8 years is out of the question). So who is the veep nod?

I know....I like Kemp (know him) but Gore cleaned his clock in the VP debate.

frighteningly I believe is the word

Anderson Cooper cuts Ron Paul off again, this time after 30 seconds. Next time, he'll ask Paul to answer with a simple show of hand.

Huckabee's attempts at humor are wearing thin. The 20 debates a week schedule is hurting him here.

Greetings GOP Debate Watchers! ;o)

It's a crap shoot on who Mac would pick for VP--I bet it won't be Romney.

If he picks Rudy--he is screwed.

He could pick Huck--BTW--What the Huck Happened to Huckabee after IA??

I hate the primary system--we all have to watch while some small part of the country picks a nominee--I believe I know best and they are choosing for me--no fair!

Murphy

I feel sorry for Ron Paul...talk about getting treated like a loser!!

Is Cooper related to that little whiny BadWeek/Barney/et al? Seems like it...the little jerk.

I really wish that Romney and McCain would kiss and make up--that would be a great ticket.

Oh here is that sticks and stones question about a timetable to Romney.

Are these guys sitting at a school desk? Why are they so low?

There's Mac with that slightly goofy grin--

"Well my friend"--

Murphy

That's a good impersonation Murph....lol

What is this, the McCain-Romney debate? Do Huckleberry and Paul get a chance to speak?

Go Mitt Go!


Mac should back off--

He is really skewing the words.

Now Cooper is going to straighten this out by quoting the quote.

It wasnt a timetable to leave--good grief--

Murphy

I think they might as well start a card game between the two of them...that would be funny. (oops nothing funny allowed unless the "successful" attorney Monte has left the thread).

I wish we had a three round primary system, and whittle down candidates from there. That way, a few states aren't setting the pace, but there would be more at stake each round...Kinda like the NFL playoffs.


Have a 16,16,16 state format once a month for three months. (48-screw the Dakotas...no one would notice).

It would be balanced enough that the candidates could decide to keep going or drop out, but thorough enough to make it gravely important.

......gave you three pinnochio's on it....that was good

McCain's not going to be South Carolina'd again like he was in the last election by Bush (gotta respect that compared to a Kerry)

RCADE tell me who is going to get us out of foreign entanglements.....of the DEMS AND REPUBS running who is the one and only person that will? Not by isolationist policy but by non-interventionist policy?

Paul can be a mediator--they are talking the same thing just using slightly different language.

Paul needs to stop saying the country is in bankruptcy--because he doesn't back it up and it sounds crazy.

OMG Huck and Paul agree on something--we don't need to be in Iraq for 100 years.--EVEN as an outpost base like in other countries.

We could close Japan and Korea and Germany and not be missed.

Murphy

I agree with your second sentence Murph ref bankruptcy...same as you said last Repub debate (also agree with your 3rd and 4th note)

Question for you Repubs...
Do you ever get tired of hearing your candidates invoke Reagan? It's making me nauseous.

Bankruptcy is a "kringe" word. And if he doesn't back it up with facts--which he can't then he sounds crazy.

Mac is good on national security--except he wants to close Gitmo and give rights to terrorists.

But he doesn't answer the question about leading the economy--because McCain doesn't know much about the economu --except to cut spending--which is half the equation.

Mitt is better qualified than all the candidates on the ecomnomy and running a business.

Murphy

Then go listen to the Dems talk about and watch them bring the relatives of JFK into their stuff (which I don't mind btw). You must have finally got Wis out of your mouth I see.

Romney: "... To be the commander in chief you have to have served in the military ..." What the hell? This isn't a banana republic. Civilian leadership over the military is a cornerstone of our democracy. He's losing his mind on this answer.

McCain takes digs too far when he gets angry. Romney should just try to make him lose his mind completely.

Invoking Reagan is fine--but it is the Principles that need to be modernized--not progressivized--

Times and issues have changed since Reagan was President.

And the past years the Repubs --who don't know HOW to be a Majority in the House Senate and the WH--blew it by the spending--they forgot the Principle of smaller gov't and less spending.

Paul--"wipe out the middle class" WTF! is he talking aobut.

Problem with Huck running AR for 10 years--the state's economy is raising chickens...

Murphy

What a joke. 'Nuff said.

Our crazy monetary policy will end up wiping out the middle class if we don't fix it....that is what he was referring to.

Speaking of Reagan...........
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Mac would NOT be endorsed by Reagan--he is Kennedy's sock puppet.

Paul is at least giving an honest answer about Ronnie..

Huck turns the question around beautifully--I support Reagan..

Murphy

Can I just say that the Air Force One backdrop is cool as hell? I nearly switched parties.

Did you see Mac reach right over and shake hands with Mitt?

These guys may get together yet..


Cool place for the debate--geez a real plane--Is that really Air Force One?--or a scale model??

Murphy

See Murph...it's about monetary policy....I've had the opportunity to attend Fed Reserve Bank meetings....and I'll say (in my studied opinion)....the system rips off the American people. We pay a group of bankers interest to print our money as they loan it to our banking system....actually it's nuts (not many people understand what really occurred when the Federal Reserve was created....in fact President Wilson after signing it into law later said he regretted it as he knew he had ruined the nation).

I believe that's a real Air Force One that got parked there for good.

Romney beat McCain in this debate, but McCain still wins the night -- news just broke that Schwarzenegger is endorsing McCain.

by Ron Paul, Dr. February 19, 2007

Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke testifies twice every year before the congressional Financial Services committee, and I look forward to these opportunities to raise questions about monetary policy. I believe monetary policy is critically important yet overlooked in Washington. Money is the lifeblood of any economy, and control over a nation's currency means control over its economic well being. Fed bankers quite literally determine the value of our money, by controlling the supply of dollars and establishing interest rates. Their actions can make you richer or poorer overnight, in terms of the value of your savings and the buying power of your paycheck. So I urge all Americans to educate themselves about monetary policy, and better understand how a small group of unelected individuals at the Federal Reserve and Treasury department wield tremendous power over our lives.

The following are some excerpted comments from my opening remarks at the hearing with Mr. Bernanke:

Transparency in monetary policy is a goal we should all support. I've often wondered why Congress so willingly has given up its prerogative over monetary policy. Astonishingly, Congress in essence has ceded total control over the value of our money to a secretive central bank.

Congress, although not by law, essentially has given up all its oversight responsibility over the Federal Reserve. There are no true audits, and Congress knows nothing of the conversations, plans, and actions taken in concert with other central banks. We get less and less information regarding the money supply each year, especially now that M3 is no longer reported.

The role the Fed plays in the President's secretive Working Group on Financial Markets goes unnoticed by members of Congress. The Federal Reserve shows no willingness to inform Congress voluntarily about how often the Working Group meets, what actions it takes that affect the financial markets, or why it takes those actions.

But these actions, directed by the Federal Reserve, alter the purchasing power of our money. And that purchasing power is always reduced. The dollar today is worth only four cents compared to the dollar in 1913, when the Federal Reserve started. This has profound consequences for our economy and our political stability. All paper currencies are vulnerable to collapse, and history is replete with examples of great suffering caused by such collapses, especially to a nation's poor and middle class. This leads to political turmoil.

Government officials consistently claim that inflation is in check at barely 2%, but middle class Americans know that their purchasing power--especially when it comes to housing, energy, medical care, and school tuition-- is shrinking much faster than 2% each year.

We look at GDP numbers to reassure ourselves that all is well, yet a growing number of Americans still do not enjoy the higher standard of living that monetary inflation brings to the privileged few. Those few have access to the newly created money first, before its value is diluted.

For example: Before the breakdown of the Bretton Woods system, CEO income was about 30 times the average worker's pay. Today, it's closer to 500 times. It's hard to explain this simply by market forces and increases in productivity. One Wall Street firm last year gave out bonuses totaling $16.5 billion. There's little evidence that this represents free market capitalism.

In 2006 dollars, the minimum wage was $9.50 before the 1971 breakdown of Bretton Woods. Today that dollar is worth $5.15. Congress congratulates itself for raising the minimum wage by mandate, but in reality it has lowered the minimum wage by allowing the Fed to devalue the dollar. We must consider how the growing inequalities created by our monetary system will lead to social discord.

How can a policy of steadily debasing our currency be defended morally, knowing what harm it causes to those who still believe in saving money and assuming responsibility for themselves in their retirement years? Is it any wonder we are a nation of debtors rather than savers?

We need more transparency in how the Federal Reserve carries out monetary policy, and we need it soon.

"Romney beat McCain in this debate...."

I don't see it. Romney was sputtering and flustered defending minor points, in the style of an 8th Grade debater.

I think it's interesting that one of Romney's stated greatest regrets was never to have served in the military. That must have been one crowded social schedule he had between the ages of eighteen and thirty-five.

It was an honest statement--not serving--he did the civilian service for two years--not the same.

No one can beat McCain on military service--he deserves respect for it.

Ride--

So in other words--the Fed Reserve is a 4th Branch of the gov't--with no oversight and no accountability.

They do have steroid fingers though to press the Print button for money.

Arnold has an awful color on his hair--friggin liberal--RINO...

Let's see the dial voters!


Murphy

God job Whatsleft. Freaking coward!

WTF does that mean!?


Can I just say that the Air Force One backdrop is cool as hell? I nearly switched parties.

The best thing one of these "fiscal conservatives" could have said was:

'I won't waste a pile of money on a new plane too be Air Force One. I can travel in the old one just fine.'

Like the Dems would say something like that? LOL

Oh that's right!--Pelosi wanted a bigger plane for her and her entourage of 45 people on the taxpayers dime to lift her back and forth from SF!!

Murphy

Murph,

The Fed basically operates in the dark and not the light. They are accountable to themselves (hmmm, who are they actually?) They get the privilege of printing our money, setting the interest rates that they loan it to the banks at (the government ACTUALLY us taxpayers are responsible for the repayment via our banking laws and government guarantees). Money used to be backed by a gold standard and it wasn't subject to the secret whim and descretion of the "fed bankers" for it's value. Need more money? They just lower the interest rate and print more. More money is printed and the value of the dollar goes down. This puts us through all of the growth then recession cycles (bust then boom, then bust, then boom). Now we've combined it with more money being spent by the Federal Government competing to borrow money (foreign intervention costs around the world, corporate and other welfare, etc). Now our banks even have to borrow from the Chinese (forced by volume of bad subprime loans). All the while....the Fed Reserve bankers get interest paid to them for the money they themselves figure how much to print. Why are we paying interest to the UNKNOWN MIDDLE PERSON BANKERS? It's worth studying.

....oh my gosh, don't, I repeat, do not mention people that flag obsessively.....DONTCHA KNOW THAT GETS.....YOU.....labeled a whiner. JUST ASK THE FLAGGERS (the pussies).

Do you understand it now WhatsLeft....you're a pussy (but you knew that).

I saw Frank Cotton was here today--where is he when people are flagging themselves??


Murphy

All in all the debate was pretty disapointing. Neither Mccain or Romney or exactly inspiring candidates.

Huckabee and Paul have been marginalized into obscurity, and the most exciting part of the whole debate for me was Huckabee's fight against the inevitable.

I don't see 2008 going well for the Republicans....

So the Fed is really a 4th branch of the gov't--so the president appoints the President of the Federal Reserve--right?

How are the others hired, appointed, approved, nominated, voted on by someone??

I don't know much but I do know how to wrestle a finger to the ground before it hits the Print button. Duct tape works well too.

Murphy

And then you flagged my response, coward.

I never even saw your response until just now.

I guess that's what Ride_On was prattling on about.

I wouldn't have flagged it.

I would have said my post was just a joke!

Apparently you don't understand that a flag is not always required to get a dump. RCade was hangin' out in the thread. He probably dumped it. Ask him.

I guess W stands for whiney.

Holy shit!

GETS.....YOU.....labeled a whiner.

See! Ride_On agrees. Wis is a whiner.

WhatsLeft....just because you are used to putting Wis's junk in your mouth....doesn't mean you can put words in someone else's mouth (especially words that weren't spoken). P*SSY.

So W stands for weiner too--what is the point?

Dial voters next--I actually like seeing how folks score this stuff.

Murphy

(especially words that weren't spoken)

You said it. See it at 2008-01-30 10:19 PM.

Don't you have a bridge to hide under, troll?

I wouldn't dare kick you out of your home....P*SSY

I am sorry that Wis thinks I'm the cause of her post getting deleted, even though it probably would have still been deleted with no flags.

You're so stupid WhatsLeft.....read the last sentence of that 10:19PM post. It said to ask THE FLAGGERS (the p*ssies)....so of course YOU CAME ALONG AND GAVE THE ANSWER.

It said to ask THE FLAGGERS

That wouldn't be me then. Is your whole family dim witted, or is it just you, troll?

Wasn't it BushLubber2 that was trying to accuse the dems of saying the repubs are looking for a new Reagan?

Reagan Library along with the slew of stories on FUX Noise abut which will be the next Ray-gun seem to have stalled his whining. I pointed out several articles to him but of course he ignored the post because it didn't fit with his sob story.

Oh well.

Reagan Library? I wonder if there is a book in there on recognizing the early sign of Alzheimers during ones presidency?

Clintons library? Perhaps a copy of the 'The joy of sex' can be found? At least theres something educational in his.

Bush said he wants his library filled with nothing but copies of 'My Pet Goat', but there is a catch......you have to pause for 7 whole minutes between pages.

For a brief introduction to what the Federal Reserve really is, use this link, for a 5-minute presentation by G. Edward Griffin, author of "The Creature from Jeckyll Island":
www.youtube.com

Ron Paul has his history entirely correct, and he is being entirely truthful with us that America is very close to bankrupt. We are already insolvent, but the actual bankruptcy is being deferred by the tightrope act of Greenspan followed by Bernanke.

They have inflated all value out of the once-mighty U.S. Dollar, and all Americans, you, me, our children and grandchildren have been left holding the bag.

Thomas Jefferson said, of private, fractional reserve Central Banks, (of which the Fed is one): "Under a fractional reserve Central Bank, the day will come that Americans will wake up HOMELESS, on the continent their forefathers conquered."

What Ron Paul has set out to do, is to free us from the shackles that Jefferson warned about, 200 years ago, shackles put on us by our own elected leaders, back in 1913.

By the way, these were Woodrow Wilsons EXACT words written by him in 1922, two years before his death:

"I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the civilized world - no longer a government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men."

Stop making fun of Ron Paul. Of ALL the candidates, he is the only one who's actually right-on in his assessment of our economy, and of the crisis brought on the the Reagan/Clinton/Bush years, which now more than ever, have brought us to the brink of losing our financial power and financial leadership in the world, not to mention, losing every last bit of our National Economy that historically made us the best place to be in the entire world.

What I can't fathom is that even Ron Paul supporters seem to be standing silently by as the GOP hierarchy and MSM, including Faux News, continue to marginalize Ron Paul's candidacy, even though he has shown some amazing performance, in fundraising, and his SECOND-PLACE finish in the Nevada primary.

Do we really want the Media and the East Coast Establishment to foreclose our choices for leader of our country????

this was more of a debate between mccaint and fonzy(opps, i mean romney).... huckleberry was shunned and ron paul should have just walked out when they cut him off after 4 words.
i thinks it funny how mccain is the new front runner but cant even raise money...yet paul is flush with dough ( from the people, not corporate america)and he was shut out

and whats with all the reagon ball licking.... reagon was responsible for massive debt spending( during peace time no doubt ), selling arms to iran and iraq, secret wars throughout central america and sending all the crazies from the hospitals out into the streets... why the hell would anyone want to repeat that nonsense?

This debate was absolutely awful. Paul and Huckabee together had about as much time as McCain...maybe. What a mess the Republican party is in on the national level. McCain seems to have taken a very Clintonian approach to campaigning. In other words, twist the truth to make it lies and destroy your opponent with excerpts from their own mouth that do not tell the whole story.

I guess the Democrats are now the party of socialists and Republicans are the party of liberals. Where does that leave conservatives and Constitutionalists?



McCain seems to have taken a very Clintonian approach to campaigning. In other words, twist the truth to make it lies and destroy your opponent with excerpts from their own mouth that do not tell the whole story.



HAHAHAHAHA!!! You call the CINTONIAN? I agree the Clintons use it, but it has been the TEXTBOOK Republican campaign tactic in recent elections, and only a total tool can think otherwise.

"I agree the Clintons use it, but it has been the TEXTBOOK Republican campaign tactic in recent elections, and only a total tool can think otherwise."

I'm a tool? Sorry friend. Appartently you have been blinded by partisanship. I am neither a repub or a dem, I'm a libertarian. So, I don't see things from sides, but rather, just as they are. Neither party uses these tactics in general, they are practised by individuals.

I don't see Richardson, Kusinich (sp?) or Obama spewing the bullshit that is coming out of Billary's mouth. Just like I don't see Huckabee, Paul or Guliani spewing the bullshit that is coming out of McCain's mouth. Maybe if you took the time to see this thing with eyes unclouded by hate you would understand that both parties are using their voters as pawns to gain more power.

Geez, RCADE, can't we ban high school trolls like RIDE_ON? If I wanted to read that kind of crap I'd visit an interstate rest room.

Geez, RCADE, can't we ban high school trolls like RIDE_ON? If I wanted to read that kind of crap I'd visit an interstate rest room.

Posted by SamBarber at 2008-01-31 04:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

No shit, it's like an AOL chat room in here with that bozo.

I can't believe with the Reagan Library only about a 25 minute or less drive from my home that I've never been there to see it. Gotta plan to take a trip there soon.

Ron Paul got a higher percentage of airtime than his delgate count.

When he had the chance to speak, he owned everybody on the stage. I love when he shouted directly at the other candidates, especially McCain about the waste of life and security and economy caused by the Iraq war.

If you like Ron Paul Donate! Today is a MONEY BOMB FEB 1st.

Ronpaul2008.com

The very word secrecy is repugnant in a free and open society. - JFK

Its amazing to me that people still hold Reagan as something other than a traitorous President who spent us into near bankruptcy and should have been impeached for Iran-Contra. It still amazes me that republicans running for President in 2008 are still defending Bush policies.

I guess Americans are as stupid as the world thinks they are--at least the majority who vote qualify as such.

Its amazing to me that people still hold Reagan as something other than a traitorous President who spent us into near bankruptcy and should have been impeached for Iran-Contra. It still amazes me that republicans running for President in 2008 are still defending Bush policies.

It's not near as amazing as to know that there are people in the world who think there are smokestacks on the moon and that man has never been there and that blue angel ghosts cruise Cleveland gas stations.

At least the Reagan lovers don't have to invoke youtube.com videos and aliens to prove their point.

I guess Americans are as stupid as the world thinks they are..

No, just a couple of you.

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