Florida Exit Polls





I'm outta here...

Nothin' for Jebbie and Ms. Harris? herm

RCADE

Did you vote after all?

I saw on NBC that Romney ran 4500 TV spots compared to 400 or so for McCain

If Romney loses he should take a hint. "He with the most money doesn't always buy the presidency".

Thanks Rcade--

Do they give the absentee ballot results first?


Murphy

With 3% in Romney just took the lead--but it is soooo close.


Murphy

AU--tell that to Bloomberg when he jumps in and spend 500 million dollars and won't win..


Murphy

Guiliani's Campaign Strategy = What not to do.

NOTE TO SELF.

Now with 7% in McCain is back in the lead..


Good grief...

Murphy

Rudy is pulling an Edwards--3rd place.


Murphy

Bye Bye JulieAnnie... We hardly knew ye.

I voted for Obama. I gave some last-minute consideration to Clinton, but the chance for an inspirational leader who can reach across the partisan divide was too good to pass up.

Good for you for showing up RCADE

With no campaigning allowed by the Dems Hillary's 'beauty contest' whatever is meaningless.

Rogers, why even post the dem results when they don't really matter?

BTW, I think anything below 55% for Hillary is a catastrophic loss for her. If she pulls in a greater percentage, so what, she was supposed to and the delegates don't count. She can't win in this situation which is why I am confused as to why she took the route she did.

I voted for Obama. I gave some last-minute consideration to Clinton, but the chance for an inspirational leader who can reach across the partisan divide was too good to pass up.

Posted by rcade

0 x 0 = 0

OK congrads to all our beauty contest winners.

Rudy is still going to the debate in CA--so says he..


Murphy

Hahahahahaha!!! CNN linking to a Fox News exit poll? How fuckin' funny is that shit? Hahahahah!!

That should be 50% not 55%. I just recieved my "new" computer from work (dell D360) and I am just getting used to it.

You would think with all of the blue hairs in Florida and all of the people pissed off about 2000 that she could easily pull in greater than 50%.

PLUS only registered democrats can vote for a dem in the primary, PLUS many of the votes were cast absentee by Dec. 26. I think I will go with the 55% that I accidently posted the first time.

Speaking of Florida, it's reported Gore will endorse Obama on Friday

Tax--

Billary and Obama tied for
The Dem delegates 0 to 0 They are even.

I think Bill Kristol has a crush on Obama..


Murphy

Only registered can vote in primary? Sounds like our great election system is interested in the people...........all of them.

Russert just said people who voted within the last month perferred Obama.

All of you keep saying it was a "beauty contest". Well then I guess Obama isn't very pretty, is he?

Seriously though, if you actually believe that FL was actually a beauty contest then you are foolish. The FL delegates WILL be seated and given back their votes at the Dem convention. The Democrats are not stupid enough to stiff the fourth largest sate in the Union, disenfranchishing all of them because the FL Dem Party was dumb enough to violate the primary rules that allow the least significant states to have so much say over who will and who will not be viable candidates for the Presidency.
Trust me, the FL delegates will have their votes at the convention restored so this is a massive loss for St Obama and his syncopants.

Read them and weep, Obama fans....

Russert just said people who voted within the last month perferred Obama.

Ya, no campaigning, 1,000,000 absentee and early votes.

Not credible results at all on the Dem side.

DNC with Howard Dean is a boob.

The Dems had over 2 million people voting and their delegates don't count. They better fix that.

The party of disenfranchisement.


Murphy

Damn.

The GOP contest looks like Florida 2000. Watching CNN Election Center results. Less than 7000 votes with almost 600,000 between Romney and McCain.

Only registered can vote in primary? Sounds like our great election system is interested in the people...........all of them.

Posted by moneywar

Yeah, it's too much to ask. Besides, we don't need the Local 804 Mexican Lawn Mowers Union getting involved.

DA da da da da DA!

"Goodbye Rudy...goodbyyyyyyyyyyyye (BrrrrrreeEET!) Goodbye Rudy don't cryyyyyyyyy"

(and further razzamataz...)

What, did you think he stood a chance, AU?

And how about the Hillary speech after winning Fla.?

Rudy miscalculated - the understatement of 2008 LOL

Hillary didn't win jack

No campaigning, early and absentee ballots sent out a month ago before Iowa. Big deal.

The amazing thing is Romney had over 4500 TV spots to McCain's 400, and it looks as though McCain might win this.

Hussssh. Hillary is speaking. Her charisma is electrifying.

And, she's going to "bring her 35 years of experience to the Whitehouse."

Is Florida 'winner take all' on the GOP side?

Oops! Wolf Blitzer cuts her off in mid-sentence. Back to regular programming.

And all of the people's voices for their hopes and wants and wishes and dreams and will tax the living shit out of everyone to pay for it.


Murphy

AU --Yes winner takes 57 or 59 ?? delegates..

Murphy

Romney's spin is that they were 10 points behind McCain.

Super Duper Tuesday is a week away.

I am voting for Obama if they won't let me change at the poll to vote Repub.


Murphy

I'll sit it out if there's no conservative on the ticket....



hmmm...I'm fucked....

AU...I'm suprised you didn't get more hits on your Dethspud thread...

So Rudy is endorsing McCain tomorrow--some kind of agreement or understanding.

The non conservatives really don't like Romney..


Murphy

American1st

Romney wasn't a conservative last year

Were you talking about Thompson?

AU...I'm suprised you didn't get more hits on your Dethspud thread...

Posted by American1st

RCADE took it down. Your pics were hilarious!! I laughed til my stomach hurt :-)

I should change that --the rest of the Repub field does not like Romney.

Rudy is going to speak--soon--

McCain is not conservative--he claims he is--but he is a sock puppet for Kennedy and the other Dems.

Fox called it for McCain

Murphy

Oops! Wolf Blitzer cuts her off in mid-sentence. Back to regular programming.

Posted by Bill_OReilly

That's like the Dental Office loosing power in the middle of a root canal.

AU,

My understanding is that all Republican Primary ELECTIONS are winner take all. I think the only ones they allocate proportionally are the caucus votes.

That is why the Republicans have a good chance of having their nominee long before Hillary is designated as the Democratic nominee.

This is particularly true because the Democrats have 800 "super delegates" that are not chosen by the people voting. These are politicians who go to the convention and can choose anyone they want to.

Since Hillary can't gain the 2,100 delegates needed on Super Tuesday, it will draw out the fight longer than it should have. This is because of the current status of the Michigan and Florida delegates and why she is fighting so hard to get their votes reinstated. If she can, then she would be able to make 2,100 by Feb 5.

This gives the Republicans a little edge since they can start campaigning in earnest earlier. The only drawback is that for a while longer they will have to shotgun their attacks until they know for sure that Hillary is their opponent.

I'll sit it out if there's no conservative on the ticket....



hmmm...I'm fucked....

Posted by American1st

Yep, me too. McModerate can kiss my ass.

American1st

Romney wasn't a conservative last year

Were you talking about Thompson?

True,but McCain wasn't a conservative last week....


I actually liked Hunter,but nobody wants someone who'll buck the system...even a little...ask any St Paulie Girl...


The Dethspud thread had a LOT of potential!!!

I,too laughed like a madman as each little tatertot rolled naturally into place

He's not the best GOP candidate in the world, but McCain is the only one who can beat the DNC... at least in this group of GOPers...

I've got a felling Bloomberg is going to Perot us though...

the chance for an inspirational leader who can reach across the partisan divide was too good to pass up.

Rcades subconscious said: "The thought of Bill and Hillary or Monica getting it on in the Lincoln bedroom for 4 years makes me ill!"

On the Dem side, from what I've been reading, the 'establishment' is moving away from Hillary. They're PO"d over Bill, they never liked Bill, and see Hillary as the best hope of a GOP victory in the fall.

The Superdelegates could easily move Obama's way. He and Edwards are a lot closer too in their philosophy too. Edwards could be a kingmaker.

Time will tell. Facinating election nonetheless.

I've got a felling Bloomberg is going to Perot us though...


He won't be able to if Romney wins the nomination,and picks Ginghrich(sp?) as Veep...

The GOP should start running moderates. The Newt Gingrich NeoCons have turned off America. They're done with that type because they see where that got us - in a heap of trouble.

The GOP should start running moderates.
Posted by AMERICANUNITY

What in the name of Christ do you call these fuckheads? (Romney half excluded).
Jesus AU, stick to cheering on your boy, Barrack.

So Rudy snuck in Ron Paul--

So what is the future from McCain??


Gracious speech for the most part.

The problem with Billary is that the VP person will be in a threesome. Should be Byah (sp) or Clark.

Rudy is vying for VP with McCain--


Murphy

I used to be a "McCainiac" when he was first running for President.
I have since learned about the real John McCain and it ain't pretty.
I never thought Romney would start to look good but next to McCain he'a looking better and better. McCain will lead us into forever wars and he is inlockstep and isthisclose with the Bushes and their agenda. McCain totally backs Bush's agenda for a North American Union too.

Beware America -- don't make the same mistake you've made the last two elections.

I don't think so,AU...When did Gingrich leave,and when did the GOP go down a liberal path?

The conservative movement should know no party lines...the government is not what supports the people,the people support the government....why do so many in this country want to give control of their lives to big government?

Newt would be great as VP for McCain or Romney--McCain won't go there because he needs someone from the inside.

Though Newt used to be inside--he has so much going now for the future REAL changes for America--you should pick up his book.

He is a conservative and a damn smart person. He would bury Billary or Obama is any debate--with duct tape!

Murphy

WISGOD

Don't get your panties in a wad.

My comment was a general statement, not specific to this campaign.

Gingrich is a phlianderer, hypocrite, and a discredited politician nationally.

WISGOD

Don't get your panties in a wad.

My comment was a general statement, not specific to this campaign.



Posted by AMERICANUNITY

Oh my God. Then what campaign would you be referring too?

When conservatives started caring more about abortion rights and gay marriage they lost the American people. They left little room for discussion on the role of government.

Heck, when the 'conservatives' had Congress and the WH for 6 years they showed just how 'conservative' fiscally they were. LOL

Gingrich is a phlianderer, hypocrite, and a discredited politician nationally.



Good enough for the Dems,good enough for the GOP....


Personal issues notwithstanding,I think it's strange that things such as that mean something when it's the opposition that's guilty of it,and not your own...

Not in regards to this campaign, but I hope someday, the DNC puts a midget on the ticket.
Sincerely, AU

Gingrich and the other 'moral values conservatives' lost the GOP any credibility on all that.

I'm not trying to argue, just stating public opinion.

Murphy,

Though many are saying that Hillary will pick Obama, last night's ignorant act by him displayed for the world that he hates her.

If I had to guess, Richardson will be her VP choice. Notice how when he dropped out, he didn't endorse anyone of the other candidates? I think that having a mixed ticket will be the trick for the Dems, but not Femake/Black but Female/Hispanic.

I said this several months ago and I still feel that is how they will go. I agree that Clark would be a good VP but not enough name recognition and not enough conventional Dems would be brought over to make him worth choosing. Richardson would bring the SW and W coast into the Dem column enough to win the office.

OK, typical snarky remarks from WISGOD

Have at it

You don't want to see reality, I can't participate in any 'discussion' with you.

Go back to Barry Goldwater and you might stand a chance at winning the hearts and minds of Americans again. Keep being hypocrites on everything from moral values and fiscal responsibility and you'll never win much again. That's all I'm saying.

Is it SO hard to be a nice person? Good God Most of you 'conservatives' are assholes all day around here with a few exceptions like Murphy and Oohrah for example - who are nice people. I am sick of assholes as is most of the country.

AU--I'll agree that Bush did few favors for what conservatives really what out of the gov't. But that doesn't mean we just throw in the towel.

Although he did change the SCOTUS--that will last 30 years.

The spending was ridiculous and hurts everyone.

Never give the Dems a reason to spend money--because they will and over spend.

Bloomberg would suck up Dems more than Repubs votes--IMHO. But watch for Nader--he is maybe considering running again. That would hurt the Dems.

And for McCain--I heard since he was born on a base in Panama--he isn't a "Natural" born citizen and shouldn't be allowed to run..

Murphy

I'm not trying to argue, just stating public opinion


being as you're part of the public,I'll not argue specifics...only that it's not affected my opinion.That being said,he's still for smaller government,and lower taxes...both of which I support,and can't understand why anyone wouldn't...

Never give the Dems a reason to spend money--because they will and over spend.

How can Republicans say that with a straight face, given the borrow-and-spend Bush budgets that put the screws to future generations? Welcome to the world, newborn kid. You owe China $12,000.

Never give the Dems a reason to spend money--because they will and over spend.

The GOP lost that argument when they had total control by record breaking spending - and for what?

American's are paying attention for the first time in a long time thanks to Bush, Delay, and Co.

Hello McCain and Hillary

Good-bye United States of America.

So,Rcade,are you suggesting that the Dem (if elected) Pres wouldn't raise taxes/spend billions more even on top of what's already been done? Take us further in the hole? Why not? Will they suddenly become isolationist? You honestly don't think they won't exacerbate the problem? Do tell,please....

SG--

You should see c-span tapes of HIllary and Obama on the floor--they don't even acknowledge the other one is there.

Clark might be the better pick--although he brings OK to the table and Richardson brings NM. Both worth about 4 electoral votes. CA votes overwhelmingly Dem in the cities--the rest of the state votes Repub.

It doesn't matter--if Hillary wins Bill will be the VP incognito. I feel sorry for the one she picks. It has to be a whimp--certainly not someone with real experience to overshadow her or Bill.

So maybe Richardson is the guy.

Murphy

CalChris,

Funny thing is that in 2000 my wife and I were for McCain too. Then I spoke to my Brother who lives out there in Orange CA. He warned me about ex-Viet folks. My Brother is an ultra conservative but that isn't why he disliked McCain. He said that he had a lot of NCO's who were like McCain and they all were mentally unstable. You never knew how they would be from one day to the next.

This caused me to look closer at McCain and I also began to feel real uneasy about him and now agree with my Brother (a rare event, to say the least) that McCain isn't stable enough to trust to run this country.

Face it, at his age, his mental health can only get worse and not better. We can't afford another President going off his rocker like Reagan did at the end.

McCain is certainly being magnanimous. But, that's the kind of person he is.

The GOP is finally looking like it's going to nominate a reasonable person for consideration as POTUS. 'Bout time. Bob Dole was the last one.

You conservatives forget that 32% of the electorate is Independent. They're not interested in the jerks who castigate others and do exactly what they castigate others over.

So,Rcade,are you suggesting that the Dem (if elected) Pres wouldn't raise taxes/spend billions more even on top of what's already been done?

I hope the next Democrat will balance the budget and stop the crazy deficit spending. It's harder for Democratic presidents to spend money these days than Republicans. If Bush had a D next to his name, he never would have gotten away with profligate spending. Congress would have eaten him alive.

Hello McCain and Hillary

Good-bye United States of America.


I can hope for a massive coronary,can't I?

Are any politicians really the answer to OUR problems?

Is it SO hard to be a nice person? Good God Most of you 'conservatives' are assholes all day around here with a few exceptions like Murphy and Oohrah for example - who are nice people. I am sick of assholes as is most of the country.

Posted by AMERICANUNITY

When you start talking like a fool thinking you know anything about the GOP after trashing it on a daily basis, yeah, I get fed up. I know you're new here , but this is a lefty site. But please go on and share with us, what the country knows, what the counrty wants. And remember, it's hard to be a nice person. Remember last Friday? You were the epitomy of nice after Jeff dropped Barrack's middle name.

Dems are the worse than the Repubs--they will tax the shit out of us and businesses and then spend spend spend.

I was being critical of Bush--he screwed this up by the spending HE allowed--forgot the principles and lost the 2006 election in the process.

HIllary and Obama are worse--they have more projects they can't find money to pay for them--but they will try and if they are elected with a majority in the House/Senate--we are truly screwed.

One thing I will say for McCain is that he hates spending--I guess not one earmark for 26 years. Better record than Ron Paul.

My hubby likes McCain and says he will win the whole thing. He is a happy camper tonight!

Murphy

Ultimately,it's the end result of 9/11...I'm still not convinced that a Dem. POTUS wouldn't have taken the same tact as Bush...JKF took us into Vietnam for less....what was the death count there? 56k?

American1st

Time will tell if Hillary wins the nomination. As I posted earlier there is a massive backlash against the Clinton's, who the Washington establishment (read Superdelegates) never really liked. Clinton's attempt to make this election racial PO'd the hell out of most of the powerbrokers in D.C.

Ain't over 'til the fat lady sings. Gonna be interesting.

If it is Hillary vs McCain Bloomberg's in and McCain wins due to splitting the vote, and also because no one will motivate the GOP base like a Hillary Clinton on the ballot. The Dem leadership realizes that.

That's my opinion

forgot the principles and lost the 2006 election in the process.



that was an end-run to the right of a bunch of RINO's...by right-minded Demo's...

I think it was closer to 58k...

300 body bags a week for years.


Murphy

JFK took us into Vietnam for less....what was the death count there? 56k?

And unlike Bush, whe he realized that he had been duped had an Executive Order withdrawing our forces from Vietnam sitting on his desk the day he was assassinated.

In Bush's case, HE did the duping and refused to fire Rumsfeld until Congress filpped last year and the writing was on the wall.

I recommend David Halberstam's Pulitzer Prize winning book 'The Best and The Brightest" if you want to really know what happened regarding Vietnam from Eisenhower to Ford.

1st--you are correct on that--they put up PRO LIFE Dems to beat out sitting Repubs. Which is not something to complain about.

I think JFK was the last Pro Life Dem in the party.

If McCain is the pick--there is no room for Bloomberg because McCain takes all the independent votes.

Just like if Obama gets the nod--no Bloomberg because there is no room.


Murphy

had an Executive Order withdrawing our forces from Vietnam sitting on his desk the day he was assassinated.


No offense,but can you link to that? It's a piece of history I missed,apparently...

American1st

I just posted THE book you should read if you want to know the entire story of Vietnam from the first training troops to Ford.

You can buy it almost everywhere. Try Amazon.com

It's considered the Gold Standard retrospect on the Vietnam War.

Yeah--if it was an executive order why didn't LBJ follow it?

More Conspiracy---


Murphy

Dems are the worse than the Repubs--they will tax the shit out of us and businesses and then spend spend spend.

Posted by MURPHY

I've always been for small government and was hugely let down by the Republicans when they had both Congress and the WH. I don't expect the Democrats to be thrifty if they control everything either. They'll just spend our money on different stuff.

It seems right now the best way to curb spending is to have one party control Congress and the other in the WH. That way they either act as a check on each other, or they bicker so much that very little gets passed (i.e. spent).

Where did McCain come from???
He was nowhere a few weeks ago. Now he's winning Florida? Conservatives hate his guts. He's flip flopped on a number of serious issues and if I hear his whiney and phony -- "Well, my friend...." -- one more time in a speech I'll get sick to my stomach. McCain is NO friend of mine and no friend to America.

McCain will beat Shillary with the hispanic vote

Where did McCain come from???
Posted by CalifChris

I suspect it is mostly an anti-Democrat movement. Some of those voting for him feel he's the only one on the Republican ticket that can be Hillary or Obama

Well my friend---;o)


McCain is a great American and a war hero for the time he was in that POW Hotel Hanoi. He is a terrible Republican and a worse Senator with his bills--Feingold and Kennedy and now Lieberman. He wants to close Gitmo and send the terrorists home or HERE!

The media wants McCain to win--look at his website and see all the left winged editorial boards that have endorsed him.

And thanks for comparing McCain to Bob Dole--HE LOST!

Murphy

Frosty,historically that's been the best setup for the country,mainly because it throws a natural roadblock to either party's agenda...that being said,a purely (true)conservative agenda is better for economic growth than a purely liberal one...some of the problems is their inability to police themselves (apparently) which(not suprisingly) is the same problem Dems (and unions) have...

Nobody here pointing out that Paul took a stunning 3%.


McCain/RudiG-one's crazy, the other's a crook but they're both philanderers.
What a team for the evangelical base to get behind!

And thanks for comparing McCain to Bob Dole--HE LOST!

I was comparing the fact that Americans saw both of these Republicans as reasonably minded people who have the respect of both sides of the aisle.

Fuckin' Cliton on FOX News now,eh? Can't debate there,but can go there to crow? Hypocritical Bitch....

1st-

JFK was killed because he DIDN'T want to escalate the Vietnam War. The anti-communists in the government were pissed he made a deal with the Soviets. He was considered a threat to the Cold War and the fight on communism and was assassinated because of those reasons. Lee Harvey Oswald was exactly what he said he was a "patsy."

1st,

No argument here.

Beachbuzz...then how is it that the Dem party of today wants to go so far to the left,to the point of being near communism? It would only appear more as I've been suspecting....they've been overrun by liberals in the guise of Democrats...So where does that leave conservative Democrats? Without a party...What do ya do in that instance?

Roody's backin' McCain't...

BeachBuzz

I agree. If Lee Harvey Oswald was a lone gunman and pulled this off on his own I'm Daffy Duck.

Ask the Army Gunnery Sarge who was standing on the grassy knoll and heard the distinct sound of a bullet passing his ear, turned around and saw smoke coming from the end of a gun barrel.

Or the hundreds of people who saw two men in the window just above the 7th floor of the Texas Book Depository. The FBI refused to take those hundreds of statements.

Hoover telling LBJ one day later they had it all solved. "Yep, indeed President Johnson, he acted alone."

Uh huh.

Or Bobby Kennedy, who was shot at point blank range 3 times in the back and behind his right ear, yet Sirhan was several feet in front of him.

Let's face it, Hoover had no love for the Kennedys and vice versa.

Bobby Kennedy hated Hoover, and Hoover was worried about his job.

Poor investigations in both cases with a predetermined outcome.

Read Tom Noguchi's autopsy report on Bobby Kennedy before you mock me.......

Buchanan: McCain win would mean war with Iran

Says McCain would provoke new wars, 'he's in everybody's face'

"More wars" could prove to be the oddest of all presidential campaign slogans. Especially if it works.

Presidential candidate John McCain shocked observers on Sunday when he told a crowd of supporters, "There's going to be other wars. ... I'm sorry to tell you, there's going to be other wars. We will never surrender but there will be other wars."

AU--couldn't RFK turned his backside to Sirhan and was shot at those points that way?

Yeah--so McCain wants to close Gitmo--bring the bastards here for trials in our courts--give them rights under our Constitution when they are caught anywhere in the world.

But wants to bomb bomb bomb Iran and stay in Iraq for 100 years.

Go figure..

The reason why Dole lost will be the same reason McCain will likely lose--they work in concert with the liberals and can't tell the difference.

The Dem party has gone off the edge to the left.

Congress is addicted to OPM--totally...

Murphy

So where does that leave conservative Democrats? Without a party...What do ya do in that instance?

Vote McCain.

I agree, the liberal hate-bush-mongers and the lump-all-republicans-into-
that-cookstove of consrevative politics leftwing, lunatic fringe has bitterly divided the country.

Where else can a hack actor like Alec "I'm a has-been actor with a point of view" Baldwin, get a stage to

If you think about it--about 70-85% of the populace agree on many key issues---immigration, national security, English as our language, smaller gov't, lesser taxes--free markets, better schools---but it is the fringe 15% of the left that is drving this country in a direction that is so hurtful.

When moveon gets to tell the Dems that they won because of them--Soros dollars!--that they own the Dems and they better do what they tell them--that's seriously scary.

Murphy

AU--couldn't RFK turned his backside to Sirhan and was shot at those points that way?

Nope. Impossible. Sirhan was several feet away. The bullets fired into RFK's back and behind his right ear were fired at point blank range. All Noguchi found on the front of Bobby Kennedy were powder marks which he concluded were a result of blanks in Sirhan's gun.

Additionally, there were FBI pictures taken of a total of 13 bullets (including the 3 in Kennedy). Strangely, the door jambs and ceiling tiles that contained 5 bullets (enough to get it down to the 8 shots in Sirhan's gun) disappeared. Photos of them are in the Random House book "The Assassination of Robert F Kennedy" by Bill Turner (LA FBI agent at the time) and Jonn Christisn (ABC investigative reporter).

Also in the book are photocopies of the autoposy report with diagrams.

In short, there is absolutely no wasy Sirhan killed Kennedy. Physically impossible.

autoposy=autopsy

McCain, Huckabee, and Guliani have an agreement. If McCain/Huckabee win the electin then Guliani will be Attorney General.

This is why Huck Norris is still in the race.

Likewise, Obama, if elected, will appoint Edwards the AG.

McCain v. Obama: Not bad at all.

Looks like a Senator will end up being promoted to President one way or the other this year... that hasn't happened in a long time.

Romney and the rest should bail and let McCain take it at this point so they can focus on getting a message out while Obama and Clinton tear each other apart...

Murphy,
You say that McCain hasn't made any earmarks in 26 years. Isn't that somewhat disingenuous?
That would be like saying Barack Obama hasn't made any earmarks in 47 years, since he was never a Congressman and only the House can create spending bills, So therefore he has never created an earmark since he has never served in the House.

In the case of McCain, for 22 of those 26 years you cite, he was a Senator. He served in the House for only the first four years he was in Congress.

Earmarks were not that big a deal back when he was in the House like they are today. Also, how do you or anyone else even know whether McCain did or didn't ever use earmarks since there are two kinds, hard and soft? Hard earmarks are easy to determine the owner of since they are required expenditures written into law. Soft earmarks, on the other hand, are more like advisories which may or may not be spent. Just as GWB ordered his Departments not to spend earmark money, he could only do that for soft earmarks. Hard earmarks are written into the law and have to be spent whether GWB wants to or not since he signed those budgets.

I know that back in 1995 there were less than 4,000 earmarks (compared to over 19,000 in the last budget). So going back to when McCain was in the House, that number has to have been even smaller yet. I know that in 1985, McCain's 3rd year in Congress, there were only 2,819 earmarks in the budget.

So the bottom line is that there were perhaps between 9-12,000 earmarks, both hard and soft during the four years he was in the House. There are many earmarks in AZ and each one would have to be looked up to see if he had a hand in them or not before bragging that he never put an earmark into a budget. Again, he only was able to do so for four years, not 26 years. Dr Ron Paul has been in the House over 18 years, more than 4 times as long as McCain was. So if he resisted earmarks, he did so for far longer than McCain did. There is no comparison at all between their feats.

By the way, how long would it be, if McCain were to win the Presidency, before he is hauled into the Supreme Court? After all, by definition, he is not born in America, since he was born in the Panama Canal Zone. That puts him into the same legal boat as Arnie since the Constitution says you have to be a native born American and Territories are not usually recognized in the Constitution since there were no such things when the Constitution was written.

It ought to be very interesting, to say the least.

Theshyguy -

Since the government is by the people for the people, why can't WE the people propose an amendment that makes earmarks unconstitutional?

Goodbye Rudy. We will think fondly of your miserable campaign.

9-11!

McCain appears at this point likely to win the GOP nomination. LOL. So much for all you yahoos who said his willingness to be compassionate on immigration issue would doom him within the Party.
I may not support the man, but I have always respected McCain's integrity. He is the best GOP candidate in the field, and is earning this nomination the old fashioned way.

Hi, all. New to the forum but have visited many times. Being a conservative, I'm not relishing a McCain nomination. If he gets the nod, I will be sorely tempted to sit this one out. My state will go conservative anyway, but as a matter of principle, I don't think I can bring myself to pull the McCain lever.

McCain is liked by all the wrong people to be considered a conservative. His win in Florida is very telling (i.e., overwhelming Hispanic vote due to stance on immigration and moderate vote to name a couple). Maybe he has a lot of support because he's been around so long that it's his turn? ugh.

I agree with Romney that the LAST thing we need to do is do the same-o same-o .... promote yet ANOTHER career politician. Career politicians are the problem, not the solution.

Romney quote :

He issued a call to arms to conservatives to support him, vowing to cut federal spending, end illegal immigration "and teach children that before they have babies, they should get married."

Romney the social engineer... f**k that pretty boy, rich boy ahole.

Yo, McCain has a world class itch to be CIC... probably hard at work planning the next ME adventure.

""If you think about it--about 70-85% of the populace agree on many key issues---immigration, national security, English as our language, smaller gov't, lesser taxes--free markets, better schools---but it is the fringe 15% of the left that is drving this country in a direction that is so hurtful.""

What a bunch of bologna. Less taxes, free markets, better schools.....yeah and probably free money too.
You want better schools and lower taxes. Free markets and no jobs. The problem isn't that the majority doesn't get what it wants because of this evil "15%" (OMG! I'm still laughting at that ridiculous comment) but because of the 2% that own the media, the corporations, etc. and who have benefited from the tax cuts for the wealthy which makes work taxable at a higher rate than investment income. We have economic problems because we let the wealthiest 2% keep their profits without an incentive to invest where it will create American jobs. We allowed the stupidity of Reaganomics which never worked to fool enough of us again into believing that allowing the wealthy to retain as much profit as possible would end up creating prosperity and jobs for the masses. It never worked for Reagan, Bush 1 and now Bush 2 but still those who are determined will keep pretending that it is the answer to our problems even though Clinton PROVED there is a better way. REaganomics needs a stake driven through its heart once and for all.

If you think about it--about 70-85% of the populace agree on many key issues---immigration, national security, English as our language, smaller gov't, lesser taxes--free markets, better schools---but it is the fringe 15% of the left that is drving this country in a direction that is so hurtful.

When moveon gets to tell the Dems that they won because of them--Soros dollars!--that they own the Dems and they better do what they tell them--that's seriously scary.

Murphy

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That is preposterous. Who has been in control of the govt recently? That majority you mentioned also does not support McCain's statement that it would be ok to stay in Iraq for 100 years. Those same moderates are pro-choice and support health care for everyone, and would like to see tax breaks for the middle class rather than for only the wealthiest Americans. To suggest that Clinton and Obama are far left liberals is to be either ignorant of the facts, or full of bull.

""To suggest that Clinton and Obama are far left liberals is to be either ignorant of the facts, or full of bull."

It is quite probable both are true.

AP just announced Edwards is dropping out today.

Anybody notice Hillary won more votes int the non-primary than MCain't did in the real primary?

Beachbuzz...then how is it that the Dem party of today wants to go so far to the left,to the point of being near communism?


It's hard ot believe that a peson could make such a stupid statement and not self-immolate from the heat of embarassment at having made it.

An ignorant populace is the right-wing's best customer, and explains how it is possible to even take someone like Bush seriously, never mind elect him to ANY office.

How sad.

I'd like a women president but not Hillary. IMHO her candidacy is fundamentally flawed, based on her record, and will only cause more problems for our country if elected.

Obama represents our best and brightest, he has earned his. He has no machine, he's doing it on guts, skill & will. That fact earns my respect more than anything Hillary has ever accomplished....whatever that is???