Maliki has to go...but who should replace him?

Iraq's No. 1 problem

Gee, I did not know Iraq had problems urinating.

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Keep working on it...

the CLCs also provide Sunnis with a defense against Shiite militias.

The CLCs are also totally inflitrated by jihadists and al queda (50% according to the Iraqis). They do not support, or even recognize the elected shia majority government. How long before they start using the guns we gave them against the Iraqi government we created? I'm betting as soon as the elected government starts trying to disarm the tribal militias we've bankrolled.

Wonder why such a large number of US troops are now dying in ambushes and boobytraps as they work "alongside" the CLCs and Iraqi army? Not counting the ones just shot in the back?

The whole surge as promoter of a shia/sunni/kurd kumbaya festival was yet another Bush delusion. Not surprising from a clown who didn't know shia and sunnis were different in the first place. The Pentagon's surveys found zero interest in any accomodation for the sunnis amongst the kurds and shia. The only thing Iraqis agree on is that America is the cause of all their problems.

In spite of warnings of his sectarianism, Bush and Rice pushed for al maliki to be made PM. Now they act surprised he doesn't love the sunnis? The bottom line of Bush's Excellent Iraqi Adventure is he let the Iranian/shia genie out of the bottle and nobody this side of Saddam Hussein is going to be able to even try to deal with it.

NG3-

You had me until you started down the Bush Derangement path.

Ignoring the Bush bash in your last two paragraphs, I tend to agree that the Shiite government is vary wary of the CLC's and not going to embrace them with open arms, given the history of Sunni oppression of the Shia in Iraq.

What would your solution be?

ROC: Stop bullshitting the sunnis and start cutting the country up. Sort of a Pakistan-India deal with security and money.
Tell the non-Iraqi sunni nations to pony up on rebuilding sunnistan in Iraq, or we'll leave the ME entirely and let the nasty old shia steal their gold toilet seats. Get Iran to start financing shiastan in Iraq or tell them we'll help the nasty old sunnis steal THEIR golden toilet seats. Plan and implement a relocation program as required ( I expect the rancor will die down somewhat as the sides are separated).Unleash the various religious militants and kurdish peshmurga as internal border patrols between the sectors and focus on securing the wider borders from outside militants or military groups, whether from Iran, saudia arabia or Syria.

Give the Iraqs a fixed timetable to assume control over their international borders and at that time, leave.

NG3-

Partition is all well and good, but don't we then go down the road of ethnic cleansing, ala Bosnia? I understand that it gets people who hate each other into seperate armed camps, so to speak, but won't the displaced Sunnis want to retake what they see as their land, and vice versa?

Most interviews I have seen of Iraqi's seem to indicate that they want a unified Iraq, just on their own terms.

Actually, correction, the Kurds want their own country, but the Shia and Sunni's want to keep it all together under their respective control.

Isn't the main problem here that the US is telling a soveriegn nation what to do? Sure, Maliki is an impediment to resolving a whole bunch of issues facing the Iraqis right now, but they don't seem too bothered by it.

I know that we are sacrificing troops so that the Iraqi government can start functioning properly (as we percieve proper government to function) but why is it our problem?

We should throw up our hands, start withdrawing to the bases that we are never going to turn over, and let the Iraqis sort out their own problems.

"if only the Iraqi government could effectively reach out to Sunnis and Shiites alike who are fed up with violence and sectarian divisions."

YEAH!

Oh the irony of a Bushite talking about "Reaching Out"!

Too fucking Funny!

Maybe they just tire of the Bush Cults Grand Privatization Adventure coming at the expense of their families lives!

VOTE RON PAUL

RedcocosamIamvile-

Bing West, who works for Atlantic Monthly (known for its liberal slant) and Max Boot, a senior fellow at the Council of Foreign Relations, can hardly be called Bushites.

Nice try at a deflection, though.

Maliki is the elected Prime Minister of a Sovereign Nation.


Absolute Bullshit.

"Partition is all well and good, but don't we then go down the road of ethnic cleansing, ala Bosnia?"

I would hope, if it comes to that, that it can be managed. That's why somebody else's $$ is important. Face it, ethnic cleansing has been going on since 2003. Remember the secret kurdish prisons we found full of sunnis and turkomen? 10 percent of Iraqis have left, laregely because of it.

"Most interviews I have seen of Iraqi's seem to indicate that they want a unified Iraq, just on their own terms."

Then let them. No more dancing around, trying to appease the saudis by arming the sunnis while holding down the shia. No more telling them we want their Constitution, which the Bushies were recently so proud of, changed to suit our needs. Tell the Iraqis, "you've got "x" days to work out a plan and begin implementing it. We'll help in areas we feel we can, but if its not well down the road within a time-frame, we will be."

The biggest brake on withdrawl has nothing to do with sunni jihadism, which the kurds promised their peshmurga could wipe out in a couple of weeks (wouldn't be pretty though)its Iran's success/influence in Iraq. The saudis don't like it, the Israelis don't like it and we don't like it. Problem is, it ain't going away. Sort of like China's role in NVN, only most Iraqis love Iran. Until we acknowledge that Iran is as big, or bigger, a player in Iraq, as we are, we ain't ever gonna leave.

"Bing West, who works for Atlantic Monthly (known for its liberal slant) and Max Boot, a senior fellow at the Council of Foreign Relations, can hardly be called Bushites."

YEAH!

As if we are supposed to listen to and take seriously some dirty little liberals now!!

Again! Too Fucking Funny!

And I was giving you the Bushite placard fool --- of which (by deferring to "Liberals" again) you have confirmed!

Nice try at a deflection, though.
Posted by Rightocenter at 2008-01-29 03:56 PM
YEAH!

Talk about deflection!

Let's see, you quote some jibber-jabber written by Liberals no less, but up until they became useful "liberals" in the "Excuse Bush at Any Cost Machine" they were:

1) Liberals intending to surrender to Al Qaeda
2) Wished to facilitate the mass conversion to Islam for every American
3) Wanted you in a Burka
4) Wants Iraq to Fail
4) Insisted every woman get an abortion
5) Wants to take Guns away from sane and legal citizens
6) Wants to destroy religion, bla, bla, bla!

Need I go on!

What fucking lame ass losers you Bush Bots turned out to be! Just fucking DUMB!

Bush played your ass like some cheap banjo and you keep coming back for more!

Man, the lefties sure are emotional today.

I believe the state of union does this to them.

that is because they think it is relevant.

Eberly: Other than Red, who you talkin' about. And this SOTU isn't relevant, much like the meat puppet who delivered it.

North,

there are others. The SOTU hasn't been relevant for some time. One crook surrounded by other crooks on live TV pretending to give a shit while applauding the first crook? pure acting

Man, the lefties sure are emotional today.

Posted by eberly at 2008-01-29 05:04 PM

Redcocosamiamvile tends to get that way when I call him on his nonsensical bullshit.

NG3-

Tell the Iraqis, "you've got "x" days to work out a plan and begin implementing it. We'll help in areas we feel we can, but if its not well down the road within a time-frame, we will be."

I agree, but the impluse for the US (both Repubs and Dems) to tell them what the plan should be is always too strong for us to resist. As a result, we get push back and resistance from the Iraqis, who want us to butt out and leave them alone.

Until we acknowledge that Iran is as big, or bigger, a player in Iraq, as we are, we ain't ever gonna leave.

Agreed, and a major geopolitical factor as to why we went into Iraq in the first place...which is why we built 4 huge bases, and why we will still be there long after you and I are dead.

Maliki has to go...but who should replace him?

Posted by Rightocenter at 2008-01-29 12:24 PM | Reply |

I have no idea where they found this guy at, I'm sure they've got another waiting around somewhere.

I have no idea where they found this guy at, I'm sure they've got another waiting around somewhere.

I doubt it. Their first choice was Chalabi, and they didn't even bother to check his resume.

One of the saddest aspects of this administration is that it seems to base it's whole foreign policy on hard-headed Machievellian maneuvering, but it's all bluster. They haven't got a clue, they're all just Jack Ryan wannabes. It must have been a real shock for them to learn Tom Clancy is a fiction writer.

**** Bush played your ass like some cheap banjo and you keep coming back for more!

Posted by Redneckville ****

........but....but we like banjo music.......TadVernEberly.....
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I thought that was the purpose of the surge.