i was listening to a radio program yesterday, and there was a doctor on from one of the veteran's hospitals speaking of this very thing.

wish i could remember his name, but maybe it will be on again today.

he stated emphatically that there is absolutely no reason for this phenomenon as there is help for all vets, yet some refuse to take it as they do not want to admit they may have a problem.

as a result, they are hoisted by their own petard, so to speak.

i'm thankful the veteran's administration was there for my mother and father at the end of my dad's life.

Don't worry about this cuz Bill O'Rielly says there aren't very many homeless vets.

he stated emphatically that there is absolutely no reason for this phenomenon as there is help for all vets, yet some refuse to take it as they do not want to admit they may have a problem.
Posted by nanc
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He may have stated in emphatically but he is wrong. There is no denying that the military is often the last place to go before either jail, or the street before enlistement. Most of these people don't qualify for special training leading to better jobs outside and go into combat arms. No one is going to hire these people except perhaps the mafia and that is assuming they aren't scarred either mentally or physically. Even those that do have some skills they often don't mesh well within the civilian marketplace unless they are in a govt or union environement. They simply cannot grasp the idea of often being unorganized without a clear chain of command or not being rewarded for time served.Again unions and govt organizations (which are often unionized) do give preference to veterans the environement since Reagan has been a huge blow to unions and membership.As to your positive comment on the VA I have heard many negative comments as well.

This is nothing new. Take an innocent kid who joined the military as if it was joining the Boy Scouts.
Teach him to kill by threats and harassment, then put him in an environment where he has to live in fear every day that an any moment he might experience great suffering for the rest of his life or perhaps a slow agonizing death. Some will never get the fear out of their system. In WWI, they called it shell shock.

During my Viet-era US Army service I learned that, as a severely wounded or disabled vet, you were usually better off dead. Physically or mentally damaged, the war machine and the nation have no further use for you. Please disappear or die, so everyone else can move on without having to think about you or other failures.

A large number of surviving MidEast vets have suffered severe brain trauma. These are the garbage of war, the failures of the military system, the zombies that will haunt America for the rest of their stunted lives. Some will be institutionalized, many will be ignored. Think of them as Dubya's bastard children.

That story creeps me out, ray...

he stated emphatically that there is absolutely no reason for this phenomenon as there is help for all vets, yet some refuse to take it as they do not want to admit they may have a problem.

Bullshit.


If a guy has a drug or alcohol problem they can get stuck in a rehab program where they show movies, and get an occasional counseling session.

Then they have domicilliaries where the "treatment" is extended and there is some success in getting guys back to work.

Of course if a guy does NOT have a drug or alcohol problem then "treatment" is done outpatient. Most of the time they just send these guys to the Salvation Army where they get a sermon over oatmeal every morning.

All of this is a band-aid because there's no permanent housing for these guys.

In St Louis the service officer for the city was trying to get housing for guys on full disability whose landlord had become their guardian because they were judged incompetent to handle their financial affairs. He had these guys living in building that was just shy of being condemned with infestations of rats and roaches.

And of course he doled out the money without any records of when and how much he disbursed. From what I was told it's not an anomaly.

In the VA system a guy is better off being an alcoholic. Those with PTSD who don't have a problem with that have few places to go, and yet they are also likely to have multiple marriages and more than one kid.

But don't believe any of this. Get in touch with a service officer, buy him lunch and ask about all the help available at the VA.

There's some fine people in the system but it is swamped with no sign of getting better.

An Iowahawk Special Investigative Report
With Statistical Guidance from the New York Times

A Denver newspaper columnist is arrested for stalking a story subject. In Cincinnati, a television reporter is arrested on charges of child molestation. A North Carolina newspaper reporter is arrested for harassing a local woman. A drunken Chicago Sun-Times columnist and editorial board member is arrested for wife beating. A Baltimore newspaper editor is arrested for threatening neighbors with a shotgun. In Florida, one TV reporter is arrested for DUI, while another is charged with carrying a gun into a high school. A Philadelphia news anchorwoman goes on a violent drunken rampage, assaulting a police officer. In England, a newspaper columnist is arrested for killing her elderly aunt.

Unrelated incidents, or mounting evidence of that America's newsrooms have become a breeding ground for murderous, drunk, gun-wielding child molesters? Answers are elusive, but the ever-increasing toll of violent crimes committed by journalists has led some experts to warn that without programs for intensive mental health care, the nation faces a potential bloodbath at the hands of psychopathic media vets.

"These people could snap at any minute," says James Treacher of the Treacher Institute for Journalist Studies. "We need to get them the help and medication they need before it's too late."

Statistics of Shame

Accounts of media psychopathy, while widespread, have until now been largely anecdotal. In order to provide a more focused and systematic study of the crisis, Iowahawk researchers set out to identify and tabulate criminal arrests and convictions of current and former journalists. While by no means comprehensive, this 10-minute project yielded a grim picture of a once-proud profession now in the grips of tragic, drunk, violent, child-raping rage.

The stories cited in the opening paragraph, while instructive, are by no means isolated. Google searches return hundreds of crimes attributable to workers in America's media industry, and millions of pages containing the terms "journalist" and "murder." They are as shocking in their detail as they are in their number.

While some journalists' alleged offenses are limited to propery crimes and theft -- such as Redwood City (CA) radio reporter Joe McConnell and Former Detroit TV Reporter Suzanne Wangler -- often they take a darker turn, resulting in public endangerment. Current and former journalists seem particularly enthusiastic about driving the nation's highways and streets in drug and alcohol fueled stupors. Among the journalists arrested or charged with DUI offenses since 2000 include Salon and Guardian columnist Sidney Blumenthal, Chicago TV news anchor Walter Jacobson, Kansas City TV reporter Steve Shaw, Nashville newspaper columnist Brad Schmitt, Albuquerque Journal reporter Chris Vogel, Rocky Mountain News editor Holger Jesen, New York Post Columnist Richard Johnson, Idaho State Journal columnist Brady Slater, Tampa Tribune editor Janet Weaver, St. Petersburg Times reporter Eric Robert Gershman, and Lexington (KY) TV reporter Angelica St. John.

How many unsuspecting American motorists and pedestrians remain at risk from alcoholic media professionals is still a matter of scientific conjecture, but one thing is certain: journalists can be even more deadly outside their cars. Often the journalistic gateway to violent behavior begins with stalking and trespassing -- such as has been alleged of People magazine reporters Jeffrey Neal Weiss, and, in an unrelated incident, Don Sider. But sometimes, as in the case of MSNBC host Keith Olbermann, serial stalking behavior goes unpunished and the perpetrators go on to seek more serious thrill-crimes. Journalists recently charged with violent offenses include New York Times reporter and alleged batterer Michael Katz, British reporter Ben Stubbings, and St. Louis Post-Dispatch reporter Margaret Gillerman, charged with striking a police officer.

Often, the objects of journalist rage turn out to be the perpetrator's own family and loved ones. For example, in 2005 Chicago Sun-Times Columnist Neil Steinberg was charged with domestic violence for striking his wife in an alcoholic rage. But this tendency obeys no gender, as evidenced by domestic violence charges against female newspaper editor Rebekah Wade, and Tampa reporter Roxanne Evanina, charged with domestic battery for spraying bleach into her boyfriend's face.

But the Americans most vulnerable to attacks from media sociopaths are its smallest. A shocking number of journalism-related crimes involve child molestation, child pornography, and internet stalking of minors. Journalists recently charged with sickening crimes in this category include Arizona newspaper editor Lindsey Stockton, Arkansas radio reporter Charles "David" Ballard, New Orleans Times-Picayune reporter William Kalec, Former KTTV-TV Los Angeles reporter Rod Bernsen, Washington DC TV weatherman Bill Kamal, and Noel Neff, former editor of the children's magazine Weekly Reader.

In recent times, the national journalist crime spree has taken an increasingly deadly turn. A typical case in point is former Savannah newspaper reporter Donald Lowery, charged with robbing a bank with a sawed-off shotgun. Sometimes arrests are made before bloodshed, such as in the case of Oak Ridge (TN) newspaper reporter and alleged murder plotter Michael Frazier, and former San Francisco AsianWeek columnist Kenneth Eng, arrested for threatening a Virginia Tech-style massacre at a New York University commencement. All too often, though, the warning signs come too late. Recent years witnessed several journalists arrested on murder charges, including longtime Hartford Courant reporter Gregory Robertson and Missouri radio host and reporter James Keown, charged with fatally poisoning his wife by spiking her Gatorade with antifreeze.

To help better understand the growing threat of journalist crime, the Iowahawk investigation team compiled the following statistical chart.

"There's some fine people in the system but it is swamped with no sign of getting better."

You're absolutely, 100%, on-the-button correct, AGGIE. But what do you expect? It is a GOVERNMENT RUN agency. And some folks want the government to run the nation's entire health system.

Roots of a Crisis

Despite of the ever-growing and bloody toll of victims of media-related crimes, some observers counsel against jumping to conclusions. Among the defenders is University of Tennessee law professor Glenn Reynolds.

"I think it's unfair to single out journalists as thieves, or violent, or drunks, or child abusers," says Reynolds. "Sometimes they're all of the above."

He cites the case of Kevin Lee Pettiford, a Knoxville journalist charged with abducting and threatening to kill three minor girls during a drunken high speed chase to an attempted bank robbery.

Others believe that the roots of media sociopathy are rooted in journalistic culture itself. Bob Owens, an analyst with the non-profit Media Violence Project, says the seeds of violence are planted early in the journalist's training.

"These idealistic kids show up at J-School, hoping to change the world and become the next Woodward and Bernstein or Edward R. Murrow," says Owens. "The next thing you know they're taking Comparative Lit under some tenured Po-Mo drill instructor, and they just totally snap."

Owen cites the well-known case of University of Florida college newspaper columnist Andrew "Don't Tase Me Bro" Meyer, as well as LSU Daily Reveille writers Donald Hodge and Mathew Sanders, charged in two separate unrelated incidents of disorderly behavior.

Making matters worse, those who make it through J-School boot camp often have psychic difficulty adjusting to life in the field.

"The working journalist patrols a world where up is down, black is white, and every gendered pronoun is a potential career killer," says Owens. "Everything, including reality itself, is secondary to the correct narrative. Honestly, it's a miracle we've kept the violence to the level it is."

Ominously, Owens warns that the current toll of victims is only the tip of the iceberg.

"With the current media industry economic quagmire, more and more of these people are being turned out in streets, with no discernible skills, especially rudimentary math," says Owens. "The only thing they know how to do is make stuff up, and they really can't even do that very well. It's like a big incompetent powder keg ready to go off."

Searching for a Cure

Long-time media observer Treacher sounds a similar alarm bell.

"Unless we do something quickly, America's editorial offices and news studios will become potential killing fields," says Treacher. "It's not enough that we treat media veterans with revulsion and contempt. They also deserve our pity."

Among the programs Treacher suggests are intensive anger management, drugs, psychotherapy, lobotomization, and "an anti-retard patch of some sort."

"Maybe they could spend some mandatory shifts at the Sudoku desk, to help them with math and reasoning skills," he adds.

Like Owens, Treacher believes there is a strong correlation between journalism and sociopathy, but he has his own theory.

"Actually, I think the effect is in the opposite direction," explains Treacher. "Journalism doesn't always cause stupid, but stupid sure causes journalism."

You're absolutely, 100%, on-the-button correct, AGGIE. But what do you expect? It is a GOVERNMENT RUN agency. And some folks want the government to run the nation's entire health system

The left walks into this one everytime. I don't necessarily think it is a good example since we can't have a healthcare system where everyone and every place in the property of the US govt.

Kris
"These people could snap at any minute," says James Treacher of the Treacher Institute for Journalist Studies. "We need to get them the help and medication they need before it's too late."

Holy shit! Medication is probably what's making them snap. It extends to incidents like Colombine and Virginia Tech too.

"Unless we do something quickly, America's editorial offices and news studios will become potential killing fields," says Treacher.

Remember when it was postal workers? The connection had to do with the Post Office's priority towards hiring veterans.

A couple of days ago the NYT had the story about antidepressants commonly used which said that the pharmaceutical companies have plenty of evidence that much of their medication doesn't work or even makes people suicidal but conceals it for obviously business reasons. So, returning vets with psychiatric problems are probably prescribed medications that don't even work but the pharmaceutical company still makes their profit.
I think that pretty much describes what is wrong with veterans care, we spend as little as our consciences will allow and then steer most of that towards private companies selling false hope.

Danni: Ed Schulz shamed O'Lielly into promising, on air, to help any homeless vet.
let's see how far that gets.

Kris: Any of that waste of electrons relate in ANY way to the topic of homeless vets? I know Fighty Rightys try and avoid anything that may be even slightly critical of Glorious Leader's love and commitment to the men under his brilliant noble command, but still...

I've got a quick solution to the problem of the VA, Northguy. Dismantle it! Mainstream all Vets into the private model currently used by US citizens.

It's unfrotunate that most doctors today are more likely bent toward the profit motive rather than the hypocratic oath. But throwing tons of money at govt.bureaucracies won't change what appears to be human nature in the USA today.

Hey Danni, you self righteous imp. How little is your conscience? What are your annual contributions to the DAV? Any volunteer work at the local VA?

I doubt either. Keep a screaming for their rights though as if you really give a shit.

I advocate all working citizens donate no less than 20 dollars per month to the DAV. Let's start there.

ooops hippocratic

Don't want the spelling nazis after me

Don't want the spelling nazis after me Kris_P_Bacon

You shouldn't be too concerned...they probably belong to the same political party that you do.

he stated emphatically that there is absolutely no reason for this phenomenon as there is help for all vets, yet some refuse to take it as they do not want to admit they may have a problem.

as a result, they are hoisted by their own petard, so to speak.

i'm thankful the veteran's administration was there for my mother and father at the end of my dad's life.

Posted by nanc at 2008-01-20 08:20 AM |


He is right BUT

As Vets have seen how they were treated by the Govt while they serve (note not the military) as thats confusing the 2, they realise that they don't wish to have involvement with the Government.

They need to get away from society and stay away from it.

Unfortunately there are some that are so psychologically screwed up that they will always struggle through life.

Mental health support will help some but there will be others where the best support would be to buy them 100 acres of land, build a house and deliver food once a week and let them get on with their lives.

Wow nobody ever thought of that before.

en.wikipedia.org

POSTED BY KRIS_P_BACON


Your comparing the lack of support for Veterans with compensation for Blacks after the Civil War?

Wow nobody ever thought of that before. krispy brains

Actually the Romans were the first in recorded history to provide their Legionaries with inducements like citizenship and grants of land and pensions.

While we have medical care and the GI Bill it's always puzzled me why the educational benefits expire in ten years. And then anything short of retirement (20 yrs) and you get nothing but a DD-214 and ride home.

And some folks want the government to run the nation's entire health system.


Sure, and some people want permanent moon bases.

Doesn't mean that is what the majority wants.

Mainstream all Vets into the private model

= Have the veterans pay for their own care.

I am waiting for Limbaugh and the war mongers at the Weekly Standard to express some sympathy or suggest what should be done for these casualties THEY helped create. How long should I wait?

LURCH - you are offensive. Let's say the same about your our party's asshole - LBJ. That asshole is the one3 who blew Vietnam WAY OUT OF PROPORTION and gave us the homeless Vietnam vets.

LURCH - you are offensive. Let's say the same about your our party's asshole - LBJ. That asshole is the one3 who blew Vietnam WAY OUT OF PROPORTION and gave us the homeless Vietnam vets.

No worries, both Rotting Reagan and Bildo O'really said we have no homeless in America.

The odd thing though, when i watch the military channel, they keep using the word 'cheap' when they talk about dumb bombs fitted with GPS guidance...only 20,000 dollars for the guidance they keep saying.

Here's an idea, drop one less bomb and house a soldier in a 500 month apt for a little over three years. 500 you say? Yes, they don't need luxury, they need a roof.

Nanc,

Crushliberalism.com?

yeah, there's a reliable site.

Those veterans with combat arms only are hit hardest. I was fortunate to have a commo specialty that carried me into a civilian field.

We need to re-evaluate our training.

Crushliberalism.com?

yeah, there's a reliable site.


the Daily Kos and the Huffington Post could easily be named "Crushconservatism.com" yet assholes here post from those sites as if they're the holy grail.

FOX NEWS' Bill O'Reilly has weighed in that these homeless Vets are basically scum and a scourge on Society.

Maybe we could give them all a Falafal and they could go sexually harass someone. But then they wouldn't have the millions that Bill O'Reilly has to pay them off to keep their mouths shut.

FOX NEWS' Bill O'Reilly has weighed in that these homeless Vets are basically scum and a scourge on Society

Why do you watch him?

FOX NEWS' Bill O'Reilly has weighed in that these homeless Vets are basically scum and a scourge on Society

Why do you watch him?

Posted by eberly at 2008-01-21 08:31 AM |


I Don't watch him. I watch Keith Oberman on MSNBC make an ass out of him every night.

I Don't watch him

Of course. My bad. I asked the wrong question. Why are you obsessed with him?

I seriously doubt O'Reilly or anybody else would say homeless vets are scum. They would lose sponsorships so fast your head would spin and he would prob be yanked off the air in days.

FOX NEWS' Bill O'Reilly has weighed in that these homeless Vets are basically scum and a scourge on Society.


Posted by USATrueandBlue7 at 2008-01-21 08:20 AM | Reply


Yet another leftwing loon with an unhealthy obsession of Fox News and Bill O'Reilly. Perhaps you and Olberman can go jerk-off to some pictures of Bill and clean eachother up afterward?

I watch Keith Oberman on MSNBC make an ass out of him every night.

My point is that you are no different that the people who follow O'Reilly. You are actually worse in that you think Oberman is superior to O'Reilly.

Here is a clue for you.....they are the same.

"as a result, they are hoisted by their own petard, so to speak."

Posted by nanc

Interesting take. I wonder what these people would have been like if they weren't compelled by their masters to go fight a war that should have never occurred in the first place. To witness, even actively take part in, the slaughter of thousands.

I know, these soldiers voluntarily joined up. Still does not remove the culpability of the Bush administration for injecting these volunteers into a war that had no real justification, no legal standing, no proof that it was to defend the US from invaders.

And the horror continues unabated, with no end in sight.

Expect more psychological casualties.

One can only hope that there truly is a Hell after death for the perps of this war. For surely as those who are returning are in an undeserved living Hell, those who are responsible should suffer eternally.

My point is that you are no different that the people who follow O'Reilly. You are actually worse in that you think Oberman is superior to O'Reilly.

Here is a clue for you.....they are the same.

Posted by eberly at 2008-01-21 09:56 AM


Olberman and O'Reilly are not the same. O'Reilly is a condescending know-it-all asshole who is self destructing. Olberman is not. Look at the ratings Pal !!

Bill O'Reilly.... Mr. sexual harassment himself who paid an undisclosed multi-million dollar out of court settlement to a women he worked with who had him dead-to-nuts on audio tape sexually harassing her and the asshole writes the whole thing off by saying..

"I Will never talk about it again"

What a Pompous jackass!!! The assholes show is so lame its pathetic.... Natalee Holloway, The Duke LaCrosse Rape case, Anna Nicole Smiths drug death, etc.. etc.. etc...night after night after night.

This is news ??? Its a pathetic joke...everything to distract from the most corrupt and un-ethical administration and inept President this country has ever had.

Choke on it you Conservative Republican Idiots !!

Look at the ratings Pal !!


Posted by USATrueandBlue7 at 2008-01-21 11:33 AM


The ones where O'Reilly triples Keith's numbers?

You do realize that Olbermann is obsessed with O'Reilly and Fox News. The only way he can keep his paultry audience is to attack the 2 things you liberals hate the most, Fox and O'Reilly (not surprisingly, vagina is #3).

Olbermans show would not only be tolerable, but actually pretty good if he'd tone down the same lame attacks on O'Reilly and Fox. It's to the point that he looks like a wounded animal.

MSNBC is the cable news toilet.

www.freerepublic.com

A typical Right wing pile-of shit web-site putting up statistics with no back up. A website tied to Matt Drudge...surprise surprise !!!

Maybe Olbermans ratings would go up if he started pushing Democratic security people around or sending goons around to ambush people like the CEO of GE at lunch like O'Reilly?

It was the first site to come up dickbag. We both know the numbers are true.

How embarrassed are you that you couldn't have been further from the truth? Pull up some numbers that dispute it or slink away.

Even the most blinded liberal freak knows O'Reilly eats Olbermanns lunch in the ratings department.

BTW, why don't you post O'Reilly's words? You know, the one where he calls the Vets "scum" and a "Scourge on society"? What's the matter Sally, didn't Olbermann tell you where to look for them?

USA,


2 things:


1. Wipe the spittle off your chin - it's unattractive.

2. O'Reilly kicks the shit out of Olberman in the ratings war. Learn to cope with that fact.

Chair says:

BTW, why don't you post O'Reilly's words? You know, the one where he calls the Vets "scum" and a "Scourge on society"?


Haven't you learned that a quote is unneccessary when a talking point will suffice?

"O'Reilly kicks the shit out of Olberman in the ratings war. Learn to cope with that fact."

Who's Olberman???

Look at the ratings Pal !!

Not pile on 101 and Jeff but there isn't one damn thing you posted that is right........absolutely nothing.

So Rush Limbaugh has credibility because of his ratings? You okay with that as a measuring stick?



Natalee Holloway, The Duke LaCrosse Rape case, Anna Nicole Smiths drug death, etc.. etc.. etc...night after night after night.

Every network slobbered over that shit.

Here is another hint........they are about the ratings. You can't understand that obviously.

Again.......they are the same.

Ebs,


You read too much into my post.


I was only saying that O'Reilly has far better ratings that Olberman. That's it.

I agree with your overall point - ratings aren't king. I cite "American Idol" as Exhibit A.

he stated emphatically that there is absolutely no reason for this phenomenon as there is help for all vets, yet some refuse to take it as they do not want to admit they may have a problem.



NANC....RIGHT ON...the thing is that the VA has many programs out there and jobs to boot....such as CWT program....i can tell you there are many federal government jobs are out there....all you have to do is visit USAJOBS.COM....its a win program for the vets because they can tac on their military time...and also they are located nation wide

to me when i see a homeless man with a sign on the road saying he is a vet....i see a man that refuses help

O'Reilly is a squinty eyed condescending know-it-all asshole who is self destructing just like Woody Hayes of Ohio State. It's just a matter of time before this boy totally melts down.

Look at him !!!! He looks like he's been thru a meat grinder he's so pent up with anger.

FOX Nothing News...Its a fucking Joke

"Oh please Bill...tell us if they found Natalee Holloways killer or how the Duke LaCrosse boys are doing since being acquited !!!"

UsaT&B,
It appears as though you realize you got slapped silly with facts. Now next time before posting your stupidity you may want to take a couple of minutes and collect yourself.

Ratings are ratings. They aren't biased.
Words are words, and if OReilly said or even came close to saying what you claim you'd be able to find the words (because there are millions of freaks like you obsessed with Fox and Oreilly).

Fox is nothing news alright. That's why you and Olberman are so obsessed with it.
Boo! Boo!

January 18, 2008
Thursday's Numbers ...

HLN beat MSNBC last night in the Demo. It beat CNN as well. Nancy Grace beat Countdown in the Demo as well and had a big (for her) P2+ number as well. Countdown cracked 1,000,000 Total Viewers last night. O'Reilly once again ruled the night ...

O'Reilly is a squinty eyed condescending know-it-all asshole who is self destructing just like Woody Hayes of Ohio State. It's just a matter of time before this boy totally melts down.

Look at him !!!! He looks like he's been thru a meat grinder he's so pent up with anger.

No, you aren't obsessed with him at all :-(

Again, they are all the same idiot.

It appears as though you realize you got slapped silly with facts.

Minor ones, the major ones remain. O'Reilly said there were no homeless vets, and if anyone, ANYONE can find one to bring them to him and he'd make sure they were taken care of.

Another fact: The VA douche doesn't get that some mentally messed up people can't ask for the help they need.

Minor ones, the major ones remain. O'Reilly said there were no homeless vets, and if anyone, ANYONE can find one to bring them to him and he'd make sure they were taken care of.

Another fact: The VA douche doesn't get that some mentally messed up people can't ask for the help they need.

Posted by YAV at 2008-01-21 01:39 PM | Reply


Minor? The douche boasted "Look at the ratings pal" and then claimed O'Reilly called them scum and a scourge. He got embarrassed.
If you see a "major" fact that he even mentioned, let alone alluded to I'll donate $50 to the candidate of your choice.

I'm finding it hard to believe that O'Reilly claimed there were no homeless vets, unless of course you can provide a link (in context). Bill's a blow-hard, and is prone to mistakes as is any other talking head show, but that statement would defy logic.

Yav,


......nevermind - see Chair's 151 post.

So, O'Reilly didn't say "there are no homeless veterans." He said there are "not many," which may or may not be true depending on your definition of "many." I think his larger point was that Edwards was stupid to suggest there are 200,000 vets living like trolls.

Joe,


You fucking douche!


Way to ruin a perfectly good talking-point.

Jeff-

Blow it out your cunt.

I just don't understand how the left can call anyone other than themselves "sheep". Look how easily they got duped in this O'Reilly fiasco.

Keith Olberman sent them their marching orders and away they went, nevr questioning what they were told even though it defied logic.

Are there any other "major facts" that need to be cleared up or is it pretty much agreed that you guys let your Fox obsession get the best of you once again?

Bill's a blow-hard, and is prone to mistakes as is any other talking head show, but that statement would defy logic.

He lets his mouth get in the way a lot. Says stuff that he's then caught in and won't let it go. That whole "Malmady" thing was a classic. Him blaming the U.S. Soldiers for massacuring German POWs.

O'REILLY: And in Malmedy, as you know, U.S. forces captured S.S. forces, who had their hands in the air. And they were unarmed. And they shot them down. You know that. That's on the record. Been documented.

Thanks Yav. You claimed O'Reilly said "there are no homeless vets." You now provide a transcript which indicates he only said "there aren't many of them." Are you dumb enough to think those two statements are the same?

Keith Olberman sent them their marching orders and away they went, nevr questioning what they were told even though it defied logic.

Which is exactly what they believe Limbaugh/Hannity etc... listeners do!!!!!

they are sheep calling others sheep denying they, themselves, are sheep.

LOL

YAV,
I appreciate the link and the transcript info, but as you are aware what is being claimed and what was said are completely different.

People like USAtrueandblue are dumb enough to repeat that shit and think it's fact. Olbermann counts on people like him to go out and spread the "anti-O'Reilly/anti-Fox" propaganda that tells them Oreilly and Fox are nothing but propaganda. He and his network are doing exactly what they claim to despise in the hopes that the same formula works as well for them as it has for Fox.

I could care less what O'Reilly or Olberman has to say. If you get your information from either of them then you are obviously receiving biased information.

As for the number of homeless vets, while there may not be "many" in Bill's eyes, in my eyes one is too many. These are men (and some women I assume) who risked their lives for this country, and in many cases were severely injured, and they deserve the best treatment available at the taxpayer's expense. They fought for us taxpayers and this country and they deserve better.

the Daily Kos and the Huffington Post could easily be named "Crushconservatism.com" yet assholes here post from those sites as if they're the holy grail.

Posted by Axiom at 2008-01-21 06:34 AM | Reply | Flag:

No, they don't.

They try to show their own point of view w/o twisting the facts in order to 'crush' anything.

Read some of the rest of the articles on that tard site. I think Elvis fathered some trailer trash's love child last week.

I'm in agreement with Taxman and 101. I did say "none" and that was incorrect, though after watching O'Reilly's interview his body language and his smirk "few" and "none" is a distinction without difference.

You're welcome 101 for the links to the actual sources. The usefulness of argument both Edwards and O'Reilly make shows that we, as a Nation, can do more for our Veterans.

I could care less what O'Reilly or Olberman has to say. If you get your information from either of them then you are obviously receiving biased information.

Excellent Point!!! I have been trying to get other to see this.

I think his larger point was that Edwards was stupid to suggest there are 200,000 vets living like trolls.

Link? Transcript?

"A QUITE VOICE" a book by eugene hairston... is about a homeless vet from the veitnam era air calvery....suffered from PTSD and drug addiction.....at his low he went to the VA for help...his will for a better life became his success in the VA

I really wonder how many of you are vets? As a vet of many decades ago, I want what is best for my brothers. That being said, there is help for those who want it. Put down the bottle, the crack pipe, the bong, whatever and go get help. They are homeless (vast majority)because of alcohol, drugs or they are metally impaired.

My only hope is that these losers did not breed more losers such as themselves. Life is survival of the fittest, obviously they can not handle life.

I know, let's give every homeless loser a gun with one bullet so the can do they right thing for once. Wait, thy will probably fuck that up also.

The homeless are a drag on society, like the illegals they take and take and give nothing back. Well at least the illegals give cheap lawn and pool care.

My only hope is that these losers did not breed more losers such as themselves.

Having dealt with PTSD I can assure you a healthy wonderful person can become a "loser" with a feeling of "no way out" and with no mental capacity to get the help they need. They need help just the same, and the RIGHT kind of help can make all the difference in the world.

I'd condemn you, but I've had similar feelings before having to deal with it.

You expect the behavior of a rational sane person from one that's not.

It doesn't work that way.

Life is survival of the fittest, obviously they can not handle life. ffd

And what battles did you fight?

What arduous duty did you endure?

I've known several decent and hardworking men who suffer PTSD. They re-experience the battles they fought night after night in their sleep.

It takes its toll.

It's true that some self-medicate which eventually makes it worse. Especially if it's alcohol.

The doctors at Yale had a special unit and one of the main factors that made treatment difficult was a lack of family support. This is usually aggravated when they're are divorced, and they almost always are, sometimes more than once.

Because most keep trying to live a normal life.

We're going to see a lot of vets with problems because of nature of warfare in Iraq. Brain trauma from IEDs and of course the ever present danger of patrolling a country in which the enemy is indistinguishable from the population.

I can't understand any vet who would forsake these guys.

These are men (and some women I assume) who risked their lives for this country, and in many cases were severely injured, and they deserve the best treatment available at the taxpayer's expense. They fought for us taxpayers and this country and they deserve better.

When will you ever learn? The reality is entirely opposite. These men are dispensable tools who falsely were led to believe they were defending our freedom and property. They were being misused by a criminal class of politicians for the sake of power and wealth and the destruction of our country. To the Pentagon, they're a drain on their war making resources. They will get the cheapest treatment the military can get away with.

the third week in iraq....my brother was in a convoy the got attacked by IEDs,RPGs and small arms fire....in the lead vehicle a lucky RPG expoded next to the window killing the driver and splattering blood and flesh all over the female passenger....needless to say it took alot of talking to get the female to respond to what was going on....she never returned to her unit...these troops are a 2nd family to most...and PTSD should be given to people who need it...not to people who want the $$$$$....and believe me it happens

Yet another leftwing loon with an unhealthy obsession of Fox News and Bill O'Reilly. Perhaps you and Olberman can go jerk-off to some pictures of Bill and clean eachother up afterward?

Posted by 101Chairborne at 2008-01-21 09:46 AM | Reply | Flag:

Hoe is it an 'obsession' (most tired word on the DR) to keep pointing out the constant inaccuracies of Bildo?

The right loves to point to his ratings as some sort of justification for him, yet they ignore all the lies and bullshit he spews. So you admit he is a hero the right and gives numerous talking points. Well, someone has come along to show you that Bildo is often dead-wrong on what he tries to convey as fact. Sorry if you don't like falsehoods and outright lies being pointed out to you. Keep playing ostrich.

The right loves to point to his ratings as some sort of justification for him, yet they ignore all the lies and bullshit he spews. So you admit he is a hero the right and gives numerous talking points. Well, someone has come along to show you that Bildo is often dead-wrong on what he tries to convey as fact. Sorry if you don't like falsehoods and outright lies being pointed out to you. Keep playing ostrich.

Posted by COMMONSENSE at 2008-01-21 11:10 PM | Reply


Once again you come in a day late and a dollar short dumb-ass.
One of your leftwing loser kin brought up the ratings so wipe your chin swabbie.
As far as talking points are concerned stupid, it was once again another one of you left wing stooges aping what Keith Olbermann told them about O'Reilly.

Can you read dummy? It wasn't along thread yet you seem oblivious to what transpired in it. What falsehood was corrected in this thread other than people on the right slapping sense into you and your limpwristed bretheren?