Now he's gone and done it. Obama praises Reagan. Does that make you question Obama's sanity, or will the DR Obama supporters acknowledge the truth about ol' Ronnie because the Messianic Magic Negro has revealed it?

First of all Oohrah, I just want to say that I find employing that "Magic Negro" moniker unnecessarily petty and trite. Something more Tadowe's or Johnson's speed.

Second of all, I am an Obama supporter who voted for Reagan. I did so because I thought he was the right man for those times back then. He had the ability to move the country and get things done. I won't go into a discussion of all the deficiencies that were later revealed.

Obama was giving credit to Reagan for being able to get the job done and guide the direction of the country. And that is certainly true. He didn't say he approved of or agreed with his policies and programs.

SAN-
I kind of agree with you (Magic Negro) but I purposefully used it in this context, coupling it with another aspect of his candidacy - the Messiah who's come to bring truth and to rescue us from the crap we're in. I also used the word "revealed" which also plays off that theme. Still, both Magic Negro and Messianic are descriptions/attributes given him by left leaning sources. Should we also ask the DR left to refrain from using the term "Decider" or other used in a pejorative sense when referring to Dubya?

Obama portrays himself as above the fray... here to rescue us from the day to day pettiness and battles... to take us to a higher plain, etc. Hope, etc... all that happy sounding stuff - and, I might add, a very effective (and proper) approach to take.

All that said, I await the left's reaction to Obama's statement. Invoking the word "Reagan" is like waving a cross in front of Dracula - it elicits a knee jerk reaction of hatred, fear, etc. And now here's the Dem's big man of hope speaking blasphemy! Too funny!!

SAN-
Another thought or two on this topic. I'm not one to systematically use the Magic Negro term, but it is appropro in this context. So forgive me this time around, OK? :^)

Second, since you backed Reagan you don't fall into the sample niche I'm eager to see a reaction from. I'm thinking of the hard core lefties, the folks who absolutely hated Reagan... but who also really dig Obama. I'm curious as to how those folks react when their hero speaks kindly of one of the left's top four most hated men. (Dubya, Rove, Reagan, Limbaugh)

Will they think Obama's temporarily lost it? Will they spin it as another masterful stroke in that Obama's confident enough to reach out to moderates or conservatives? Do they think Obama believes what he's saying? What if Hillary had said exactly the same thing? Would their reaction to it coming from her parallel their reaction to it coming from Obama... or is he now in a position of being able to say and do no wrong in their eyes?

"Should we also ask the DR left to refrain from using the term "Decider" or other used in a pejorative sense when referring to Dubya?"

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe W actually called HIMSELF the Decider. I don't recall Obama referring to himself as the "Magic Negro" or as being messianic.

And I just gave you one "lefties" reaction to his statement. No knee-jerk reaction of hatred and fear here. In fact, this info has been out for a couple of days and I haven't seen a single post (possibly excluding Corky) demonizing Obama for his statement.

"Should we also ask the DR left to refrain from using the term "Decider" or other used in a pejorative sense when referring to Dubya?"

Dembya labeled himself the "decider" didn't he???
The term "Majic Negro" comes from well known bigot Rush Limbaugh.

Hardly comparable.

"How do Reagan haters/Obama lovers feel about their man speaking favorably of Reagan?"

He wasn't really speaking favorably of Reagan's ideas, he was really speaking about the fact that Reagan began a movement which had lasting impact on the nation. Not a good impact, but an impact.
Today's problems with the economy are the effects of "trickle down" economics....again. This makes three attempts to make the economy operate to the advantage of the wealthy and it has failed again because the greedy seem to always forget that when people have no money to spend they can't buy anything. So now, in an attempt to stave off disaster for the Republicans at the polls in November Bush wants to mail us all a check so we can go buy something, anything just to prop up the Bush economy a little longer.
The Democrats should not just obediently go along with this nonsense. Pelosi and Reid finally have Bush on the ropes but seem too cowardly to take advantage of it and kill trickle down once and for all.

Except that "teflon" doesn't skirt the edges of being a racial epithet. And, of course, using the term "messianic" is intended to imply that Obama considers himself somehow Christ-like.

To me these are just further examples of words being applied to create uneasiness, if not outright fear in some segments of the population. Same goes for implications about Romney's religion and McCain's military service.

I personally don't care for it. Speaking out about disagreements on policies and principles is fair game, but can't we get above the personal stuff?

Of course having ideas and the ability to change the direction of the country doesn't necessarily guarantee that the results are positive.

Its painfully obvious that he was talking about Reagan's abilities, and the circumstances in the U.S. at the time. He was not praising the end result.

So no problem as far as I'm concerned. I completely agree.

That piece is actually spot-on IMO. Ms. Clinton and Mr. Edwards would do well to take it to heart before reacting out of hand.

"Of course having ideas and the ability to change the direction of the country doesn't necessarily guarantee that the results are positive." - SAN

Something I'll probably be saying years from now about an Obama presidency :^)

Question for you, SAN: Given the total dearth of Reagan compliments from any Dem candidate (can you EVER recall a positive comment?)... Why do you think Obama choose to only make positive comments and then neglect to say something slightly dismissive to appease his supporters? Even something like, "Reagan provided hope and inspiration at a trying time for our nation. While I'm sure he was well meaning, the results of his actions have been mixed, at best, and cry out out for real, meaningful change that'll truly unite us all..."

Again, Oohrah, I think the comments in the HuffPo piece you linked provide the answer to your question.

And yet, for several Reaganites, it was the tone and tenor of Obama that best echoed the image of their former boss.

'Ronald Reagan was an inspirational leader who also was a uniter. There was never any vindictive stuff to the other side,' said Lawrence Korb, a former Reagan aide ... 'I think Obama is trying to get us back to that pleasantness'."

SAN-
You and I are preaching to the choir by this dialogue. You voted for Reagan and see similarities between Reagan/Obama.

I'm interested in the reaction of those who couldn't stand Reagan... people who, anytime someone like me praises Reagan, dish out some pretty nasty comments about the guy and questions the intelligence of the commentor.

It's those folks. How would they react if Hillary had said the exact same thing?

See, I think Obama has reached the status of being able to say virtually anything - and his supporters will go along with it. Talk favorably about Reagan... no problem... rationalize & justify it. But if ANYONE else says the same thing - watch out.

I'm interested in the reaction of those who couldn't stand Reagan...

Obama knows that Hillary has a lock on the Mavens and will institute their radical feminist agenda. She can't wait.

So he's talking to the same assholes that we called the Reagan Democrats.

I wasn't surprised that Reagan had Alzheimer's.

When I think of the Death Squads he supported in Central & South America it's a shame he didn't have cancer too.

Just the same I learned the other day that he is co-sponsoring Babbling Boxer's bill to provide abortion on demand. Oh, but only to protect the women's health. I'll bet there's less than 10% whose physical health is at risk. Plus there's a tort action built in so Missouri's law against abortions after the 1st trimester would be history or the state would go broke.

I wrote him a letter and wished him a long and promising career in the Senate.

You asked...

"He wasn't speaking of Reagan's ideas, he was actually...."

Welcome to Club Clinton.

Clinton wasn't actually marginalizing the work of MLK by saying it took a coalition with Johnson to get the job done....

Clinton isn't actually showing disrespect for the Latino population by coming out against the casino caucuses...

Blah, Blah, Blah

Too late now. The words are out of his mouth and now he has to deal with the ramifications.

Something like --- uh --- being the President of the United States, isn't it!

Personally, I prefer a Lewinsky scandal to secretly selling arms to Iran in order to fund a revolution. Whoever is in the White House will at some point lie to me. If you believe otherwise...well...that's you. But IMHO, if I'm gonna get a blow-job, I'll take the real one.

BAC, don't worry about it. It is referred to as DanniDrivel(tm). Next, the DanniDrivel(tm) will be adding Obama to her "I HOPE he dies and that his death is very painful" list. She is a sick and sour personality here on the DR.

The dirt and sleeze just keeps piling up.
Welcome to election year 2008.

ahwhat bullshit.......the magic negro was used by rush too and it got about the same bullshit response..........correct me if I am wrong but arent blacks... negro's........african american......

people just dont like it because it comes so close to the 'n' word.......and its also some kind of sign that I feel like I have to say....."n" word so that none of you pull the same bullshit about me..........but thats okay.......


I heard him say something like this and a min or two afterwards....I thought........did he just say what I THOUGHT he said about reagan?
that has to hurt some of you....not as much as success in bagdad but it sill has to hurt......

Now he's gone and done it. Obama praises Reagan. Does that make you question Obama's sanity, or will the DR Obama supporters acknowledge the truth about ol' Ronnie because the Messianic Magic Negro has revealed it?

Posted by OohRah
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Sorry but I watched the clip of Obama and what he said. He didn't praise Reagan. What he said was that Reagan was an agent of change and no one denies this. Obama sees himself as an agent of change as well not that he would follow in Reagans footsteps.

Obama was hardly praising Reagan. He said Reagan was a transformational president who took the country in a radically different direction = transformation.

He also said the GOP had an agenda and they sold it well - although they didn't carry out their plan at all. Largest government in history, record deficits, record debt,

The 'Contract on America' sold as the 'Contract with America was the biggest sham in U.S. history. The 'privatization of American government' has meant we pay more for less.

The only that hurts BLT is that you can't take a hint.

You deserve a FF for claiming to actually have THOUGHT about something.

Your putter and teenage girls don't count.

damn AU........I am with you on one statement and then you go and blow it with another.....

I believe you are correct with your assesment of the reagan comment but of course the hillary campaign couldnt afford to just let it go by if they could get some traction out of it.......you agree with that???


but the comment about the contract is not correct in my opinion........in one case, it gave us welfare reform for instance that sill seems to be working....or at least that issue hasnt come up in some time......

Obama makes statements like this and this is the reason he is pulling in independants to vote for him. And some Repubs too!

But for the Clintons and Edwards and the kind --they will cover their ears and then just scream "How dare Obama talk about Reagan"! He should be talking about JFK or FDR--!! Whhaaaaa!


Murphy

BOWA

Biill Clinton took on Welfare Reform in concert with the GOP Class of '94. Clinton started the ball rolling on Welfare Reform before that election. Them's the facts.

Murphy

I think there are good ideas on both sides of the aisle. It's going to take a president who can make them happen.

McCain for the GOP and Obama for the DEM's are the two best hopes.

Chris, AU and others..

Can you recall a major Dem candidate EVER saying anything even remotely positive about Reagan... EVER? None came to my mind, but maybe others have better recollection in this area.

If the word "praise" doesn't fit your taste, what about acknowledgement for an achievement?

What if Hillary had said that exact same thing about Reagan?
To turn it around, what if the Rep candidates spoke favorably about Clinton's ability to facilitate change? Our side would have a cow.

OORAH

I think it's good that Obama spoke favorably of Reagan. I'm sick of the partisan crap where people from one party feel they have to always put someone from another party down and not even acknowledge their experience and/or archievements. Good for Obama for trying to break up some of the partisan politics. After all, Reagan was a former President and did have a number of good traits.

OOHRAH

I think another thing that sets Obama apart is he's not a baby boomer and hasn't been in the middle of all the political fights like Vietnam, etc.

I'd have thought you'd respect Obama for even venturing to mention Reagan's name let alone acknowledge that Reagan's presidency was transformational.

OOHRAH

Obama spent a lot of time working with a Republican controlled Illinois Senate. Even the GOP Speaker of the House had nothing but glowing things to say about Obama.

AU-
I disagree with you regarding Clinton and welfare reform. He signed a bill only after repeatedly using the veto pen. After it was signed he went to his Dem compadres to say they'd have to get to work to change elements of it.

Bottom line, the public wanted change. Clinton and Dems had resisted. If not for the Reps in Congress continually pushing this, it would have died. Clinton's eventual support is being spun to make him somehow look good - as though it was his plan all along. Not the case.

Huh. He did it in Arkansas before being elected to the WH

At the least it was a bipartisan effort. The original GOP version of the bill left a lot of worthy Welfare Recipients out in the cold without job training or any other programs to help Welfare recipients get to work after their 2 year limit was up. The compromise bill seemed to work. That's what was passed.

OOHRAH

I'm having a hard time with your MItt Romney leaning. The guy was the opposite man last year on every issue you hold near and dear. You think he had an epiphany or perhaps dreams of the WH changed his 'born on third base' mind?

Hard time understanding your Mitt Romney leaning...

Chris,

You may not of known it but Ketchup or Catsup is made with (shock) Tomatoes.

Of course if you dig into the USDA specs you'll find that it also has 1-2% dietary protein, despite the fact that tomatoes are a pure carbohydrate.

It's worms and insects that provide the protein.

"I'd have thought you'd respect Obama for even venturing to mention Reagan's name let alone acknowledge that Reagan's presidency was transformational." AU

Some thoughts. Yes, I do see Obama attempting to do some of the same sort of things Reagan did... imploring us to rise above differences, to have a renewed sense of hope, etc. I loved Reagan... what he did for the nation, its psyche. He was a truly great president, IMO.

My reason for posting this thread was to gauge the reaction from Reagan haters... those who automatically vomit upon hearing the guy's name. How dare their new "hero" Obama praise/speak favorably of Reagan? Naturally, Edwards and Clinton offered the typical response.

So does this mean Reagan isn't the fool/dangerous idiot most on the left claim? After all, Obama said he was good for the nation. Or is Obama telling a caluclated lie to try to pander to the "moderates" out there?
So my questions... how would you respond if Hillary had said the EXACT same thing? Does Obama get a pass... and, if so, why?

AU-
Were you talking to me about understanding the Romney support? What part(s) gave you pause for concern?

"According to the Illinois Coalition to End Homelessness, the Act "significantly changed welfare in the United States. While some success has been achieved, many families and disabled adults have fallen deeper into poverty and forced on to the streets because the gaps in the safety net. Changes in welfare legislation were based not on sound research, but instead on the myths that welfare recipients have little incentive to find work and a one-size-fits-all approach will work. However, the actual situation is much more complicated. Families on welfare must contend with a nationwide lack of affordable housing, a lack of jobs that pay a living wage, the difficulty finding child care, as well as increasingly rigid requirements for recipients of public aid."

...the nominee (Clinton) promised at the Democratic National Convention that he would to make welfare reform "successful" by helping to create a million new jobs by the year 2000, with tax credits for companies who hire welfare recipients and from state plans which may utilize "savings" from welfare program cuts to create jobs for recipients.

Obama told the Reno Gazette-Journal editorial board Monday that "Reagan changed the trajectory of America in a way that Richard Nixon did not and in a way that Bill Clinton did not. He put us on a fundamentally different path because the country was ready for it," Obama said.

That isn't praise. That's acknowledging Reagan changed the trajectory of America in a way that Richard Nixon and Bill Clinton did now. I'm not neccessarily a fan of Reagan's, but compared to W he's a lot farther up on the list.

If it was intended as a compliment, well, I'm not afraid to say something good about someone I disagree with fundamentally if they had a good idea.

My Mitt question was why you overlook the fact that Romney was on the exact opposite side of every issue you hold near and dear last year

If you're willing to over look his miraculous transformation (just in time for the WH run), and you still back him although his religion has no resemblance to your Christianity, I'm surprised you're not backing Huckabee - who seems like a much better fit with the OOHRAH I've known here for a few months.

How stupid can some people be? I just heard a lady call into C-SPAN saying 'Obama praised Reagan'.

God, this world is full in uninformed idiots.

Two things,

First, I think Oohrah is trying to make more out of Obama's statement then it is.

Second, I think anything bad Reagan did has been easily eclipsed by GW. Though we don't wish Reagan back, turning the clock back to the end of Reagan's term doesn't look all that bad any more.

Biill Clinton took on Welfare Reform in concert with the GOP Class of '94. Clinton started the ball rolling on Welfare Reform before that election. Them's the facts.


Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2008-01-19 09:42 PM |


AU....you must have been smoking something during that time......or are you old enough to remember this time or just reading liberal textbooks again....


blowjob billy was dragged whining and screaming into welfare reform that was eventually passed and he was forced to sign it as the right had the votes to deal with the veto......and THEMS THE FACTS....


and one more fact........saturday night live has got to be the boringest and stupidest show on all of tv.....and people are acually laughing at it....
go figure.........

and of course you may be right on your timeline but again.......you are talking about him pushing HIS WELFARE reform which was just more giveaway and new deal revisited...
what we are talking about is the REAL REFORM as pushed through by the republicans......as in the work requirement.....remember that.....where the left said that women and children would go hungry thanks to those heartless republicans...
AND ONCE AGAIN>......the RIGHT WAS RIGHT AND THE LEFT WAS WRONG....

gotta go.......

just put hits of rachael portman and its putting me in a different place....what an underrated film composer she is.......

cider house rules....etc..

have a good one....

Reagan liked to tell racist jokes.

I hope Obama has 'Rotting Reagan' spinning in his grave.

BOWA,

WHATSLEFT linked this:

Satisfied? CLINTON set Welfare Reform in motion. Geesh

The AFDC system was under constant attack in the 1980s; these continued in the 1990s, with Presidential candidate Bill Clinton vowing to "end welfare as we know it." Clinton, once elected, worked with a Democratic congress and met with considerable success in moving people from welfare to work through state waiver programs. These programs allowed states to experiment with various welfare reform measures. The system became a common target of Newt Gingrich and other Republican leaders, though changes had already been set in motion by Clinton and the Democrats.

Obama makes statements like this and this is the reason he is pulling in independants to vote for him. And some Repubs too!

But for the Clintons and Edwards and the kind --they will cover their ears and then just scream "How dare Obama talk about Reagan"! He should be talking about JFK or FDR--!! Whhaaaaa!

Exactly. The outlash against Obama from the far left only makes me like him more. We don't need more tired old partisans.


I'm curious as to how those folks react when their hero speaks kindly of one of the left's top four most hated men.

He didn't speak kindly of Reagan's policies, but of the way Reagan formed a coalition that acomplished what the GOP wanted.
We still speak about Reagan Democrats, about how Reagan moved America to the Right.

Only an idiot refuses to look at the strategies of a successful enemy and learn from them.

Clinton and Edwards are pandering to their base, and pissing off moderates.

Everyone knows Obama is a secret Muslim. There, I've said it. That is much scarier than a Magic Negro.

Clinton and Edwards are pandering to their base, and pissing off moderates.

Posted by Norm

Gee, like the Rupublicans never do that....

So many of the righties who post here seem incapable of understanding the obvious intent of both Obama and Clinton. It is possible that they are just too stupid to understand but more likely they just prefer to be dishonest. Either way, it doesn't really matter to me because rarely do those folks ever have anything significant to contribute to any of the discussions here. They are on constant "defense" against every word spoken by the leaders of the Democratic party. It makes their comments seem comical, so predictable but mostly just ignorable.
Obama was praising Reagan....yeah right, I guess if you are really that dumb then fine believe whatever you want.

Clinton was dissing MLK.....Jesus you got to be stupid to believe that and even stupider to believe you could convince anyone else of it....well unless they are also a right wing idiot.

Danni,

Do you not pay attention? Look at where we are now and how we got there. You take a statement, you cover it in half truths, you repeat as needed. Soon your statement and half truths have become facts.

Heck NG3 was doing it about Paul yesterday, the press loves to do it with Clinton. About time some of that landed on Obama.

You think I can't make people belive whatever I want them to belive? Give me enough time and money and I can shape the minds of America to be what I want them to be. I see it every day and so do you.

Oh and I'm not half so afraid of Obama's muslim background as I am of Hillary having been replaced by a robot and Edwards time he spent on a UFO.

Ohh cool Obama is a hometown boy for me. No wonder I like him so much.

Zat. Thats my point I have talked to tons of people who thought anywhere from he was a apostate muslim to practicing muslim. I keep explaining the truth but the fact is that muslim crap is exactly what I was telling danni about shit being said enough in the press to become a new reality.

"Danni,

Do you not pay attention?"


She can't...by this time of the day she has toked on the bong so much she's in never-never land. She doesn't even realize it's not the "righties" trashing Clinton and Obama, they're trashing each other at this point. The "righties" are all tied up with trashing each other also so they are ignoring Clinton and Obama for the time being. Ya' gotta cut Danni a little slack.

Wait til' later when she moves to the pipe.........

What Dems picked up on was NOT the fairly innocuous "trajectory" quote from Obama, but his portrayal of Republicans being the Party of ideas for the last 10-15 years.

"When I think about the 60s and the 70s, I think about Medicaid, Medicare, the Environmental Protection Agency, Community Development Block Grants...It's astounding to me to have this blanket endorsement of a right wing attack." - Barney Frank


"The Republicans were the party of ideas for the last 10 to 15 years, because they were challenging conventional wisdom? OK, now I'm completely boggled. Is Obama talking about the same GOP I know -- the Republican party of Tom DeLay and George Bush? The party in which candidates compete to see who can do the best Reagan impersonation? This is the party that's challenging conventional wisdom? What's going on here?" Paul Krugman

"When you think about what Ronald Reagan did to the American people, to the middle class to the working people," said Edwards.

"He was openly openly intolerant of unions and the right to organize. He openly fought against the union and the organized labor movement in this country. He openly did extraordinary damage to the middle class and working people, created a tax structure that favored the very wealthiest Americans and caused the middle class and working people to struggle every single day. The destruction of the environment, you know, eliminating regulation of companies that were polluting and doing extraordinary damage to the environment."

"I can promise you this: this president will never use Ronald Reagan as an example for change." -John Edwards

It was just another rookie mistake.

-Yes, Hillary's campaign

Evidence please?

Oh sorry, I forget. As long as it's a Clinton, evidence is beside the point.

Hillary, while twisting Obama's words to mean something they obviously did not, forgets that she listed Ronald Reagan as 'one of our greatest Presidents - something Obama did not in referring to Reagan's 'transformational presidency'.

Bill Clinton has turned into a mean spirited prick. Not the Bill Clinton I used to admire at all. As Ronald Reagan said, 'The Eleventh Commandment - thou shalt not criticize a fellow Republican. Bill wants another 2 terms as 'co-President' and is willing to fracture the Democratic Party to achieve it. Hillary can't control him on the campaign trail, so what makes us think she'll be able to prevent him from usurping her authority as President.

She's coming off like a woman who sends her husband to yell at the neighbors. Hardly the picture of a strong woman.

Personally, I don't want dynasties running our country. 28 years of Bush/Clinton/Bush/Clinton will make us look like a banana republic after reelecting such a loser as George W Bush.

God, I don't want to be refighting the battles of the 90's all over again. NO ONE will electrify the Republican base to turn out in the fall like Hillary. Bloomberg will get in the race if she's the nominee and the WH will be lost to the GOP. Is that what we want after 8 years of Bush?

When a President dies such as Reagan did, both parties praised him. It's the same for any President who dies regardless of party. But when your running for office, ur grass roots demand name calling the GOP, repeat various sloans: "GOP for the rich" and more. Remember the tax rebate of Bush's first term, well the Dems harped it was for the rich, but many got tax rebates. Now the Dems have a similar plan for tax rebates almost 8 years later...

Liberals are for emotion and party alliance rather than solutions.

Lets get serious. Tax rebates for the rich benefit all politicians. Even the ones considered poor aren't salary wise. Of course the plans are similar. They Dems and repubs aren't really that different anymore. If Hillary gets the nod in 08 will anything change? You know it won't She is a corporation disguised as a human being same as Bush. All anybody cares about is special interest money. The few politicians who care about the people don't ever stand a chance in hell of getting elected. Repubs or dems you might as well throw darts at your ballot and vote. You get the same miserable results.

All that said, I await the left's reaction to Obama's statement. Invoking the word "Reagan" is like waving a cross in front of Dracula - it elicits a knee jerk reaction of hatred, fear, etc.

"I think it's fair to say that the Republicans were the party of ideas for a pretty long chunk of time there over the last 10 to 15 years in the sense that they were challenging conventional wisdom,"

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I'm hardly an Obama supporter, but his statement is accurate. After the McGovern Wing hijacked the Democrat party and installed the milquetoast Jimmy Carter, they were completely bankrupt of morals or leadership.

At the time, Republicans were the party of ideas and Reagan was the leader of the movement. The Dems never did recover.

Today, both parties are so corrupted by the finances that they're equally bankrupt. If Dems are freaking out now it's because Obama has spoken the truth, which is not allowed in 'polite' circles.

All the Republican candidates compete to see how many times they can invoke Reagan's name. The entire campaign of Hillary! is nostalgia for her husband (I'm with stuipid).

This may be Obama's year, just because he speaks to a hope and a vision. It worked for JFK (against Nixon) and it worked for Reagan (against Carter).

....so nice to see the Clinton's are invoking the politics of unity and healing.....and it's still only their own primary..........

At least he isn't praising LBJ like Hillary did. BTW, Happy MLK day Hillary.

I think it's good that Obama spoke favorably of Reagan. I'm sick of the partisan crap where people from one party feel they have to always put someone from another party down and not even acknowledge their experience and/or archievements. Good for Obama for trying to break up some of the partisan politics. After all, Reagan was a former President and did have a number of good traits.

Posted by CalifChris at 2008-01-19


CHRIS........yesterday on meet the press.....thelady who has been on there before.....a presidential historian......made this comment.

she said that it was sad that a presidential candidate couldnt show respect for a former president because he was in the other party.....and I think we might both agree with that...


AND on the shows, they played clip where obama talked about republican ideas and then blowjob and hillary ripping him....and THEN they played a clip of blowjob from 1993 talking about GUESS WHAT????

republicans having better ideas......
it was a classic...........

they played the entire video of obama and I think what he said was true and it was very 'big' of him to even say it......in fact, he grew in my eyes and I wonder if there were many others the same way.....

OR it might have been just a case of the clintons not liking it, so I did..........

Funny thing is.....both sides are laughing their asses off.......

























all the way to the bank.