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Wednesday, January 16, 2008

The American Jewish Congress calls Ms. magazine hostile toward Israel for refusing to run its ad heralding the fact that women now hold three of Israel's most powerful positions. Magazine editor Katherine Spillar said Ms. accepts only "mission-driven advertisements" primarily from nonprofit, nonpartisan organizations that promote women's equality and social goals.

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So MS rejects another Israeli "Propaganda" ploy!

No doubt Israel will now have MS magazine investigated by Homeland Security and have all its business and home phones & computers bugged by the NSA! The Israeli Govt must be happy its "Home_Boy" Michael Chertoff is running the show in the U.S.!

Can it be that Israel has so few enemies on the world stage that it must now go out and search for people to hate it? People hate Israel because of this kind of BS. Misrepresentation and lying on all sides is what is keeping the ME all messed up. Keep it up so the world can see who the hatemonger really is.

Freedom of the press belongs to them that owns one!

I'm not sure whose side to be on here?

Tell me, is it better to be a chauvinist or an anti-semite?

Ms. Magazine Rejects Israel Ad

Until this thread, I didn't even know "Ms." was still in business.

I'm not sure whose side to be on here?

Tell me, is it better to be a chauvinist or an anti-semite?

Posted by GustoGus

Gus,

It's better to be on your own side.

It doesn't take rocket science to see who is shoveling the shit here.

Israel will always, always, always play the anti-semite card, regardless of the circumstances.

You would think that after over 60 years, people would move on.

According to my dictionary, Palestinians are Semites, too.

Why, if a person is opposed to the political stance of Israel and not the Israeli people or Judaism are they marked "anti-semitic." The American-Israeli lobby tolerates less criticism of Israel in the US than exists in Israel.

Israel "back of the bus" rule sparks religious row

www.reuters.com

If this were happening in Saudi Arabia or another Muslim country, we would be flooded with coverage of it, but since it's in Israel, it is almost ignored.

www.reuters.com

If this were happening in Saudi Arabia or another Muslim country, we would be flooded with coverage of it, but since it's in Israel, it is almost ignored.

Posted by member2586

I'd love to hear a GZ response to this story...

Uhhh, it is happening in Saudi Arabia, on a larger and much worse scale.

Uhhh, it is happening in Saudi Arabia, on a larger and much worse scale.

Posted by RastaCyborg

Which would be an excellent retort, if anyone here defended Saudi Arabia as a model of social progress...

Ragen, herself an Orthodox Jew, described the incidents on her website as "bullying women in the name of God".

Yes, like all religious organizations, making up rules to suit their power.

What is even more surprising is there is actual women who believe in this religious faith, how pathetic is their GOD.

"In The Name Of God"

heh

That could mean any fucking thing.

I'm going to smoke my bong in the name of God.

I bet God joins me, too.



A woman who reported a vicious attack by an ad-hoc "modesty patrol" on a Jerusalem bus last month is now lining up support for her case and may be included in a petition to the High Court of Justice over the legality of sex-segregated buses.

Miriam Shear says she was traveling to pray at the Western Wall in Jerusalem's Old City early on November 24 when a group of ultra-Orthodox (Haredi) men attacked her for refusing to move to the back of the Egged No. 2 bus. She is now in touch with several legal advocacy and women's organizations, and at the same time, waiting for the police to apprehend her attackers.

In her first interview since the incident, Shear says that on the bus three weeks ago, she was slapped, kicked, punched and pushed by a group of men who demanded that she sit in the back of the bus with the other women. The bus driver, in response to a media inquiry, denied that violence was used against her, but Shear's account has been substantiated by an unrelated eyewitness on the bus who confirmed that she sustained an unprovoked "severe beating."


Sure looks like the police are trying to get these law breakers, nope, they are just propagating the religious hatred.

Isn't it amasing that people actually think Israel is enlightened.

Uhhh, it is happening in Saudi Arabia, on a larger and much worse scale.

Bull shit, it is happening by the same only muslim.

You see, or in reality you don't, there is very little to no difference between the jewish/israeli faith and the saudi/muslim faith.

And it is clear that both of these faiths have the unintellectual value of leadership through knuckle draggin monkeys that they come from.

A) You can't force a private company to run your ad.
B) Israel sucks when it comes to women in positions of power. Being rated 74th hardly rates an ad.

My favourite line is this one: "Kurlander said. "Our ad is about Israel and the way in which Israel empowers women."" I have to wonder if Kurlander would be in her current managerial position if she were in Israel or just empowered enough to deliver the coffee to the real Commissioner.

In a nutshell, not anti-Israeli. In fact, I would have to ask why Israel is so anti-female?

Money,
Do you actually believe Israel is just as bad as Saudi Arabia as far as religious nutjobbery?

ms. magazine is a hypocritical rag!

they always have endeavored to cover women from most walks of life who have made it in the political arena.

Nanc, they are covering women who are making it in the political arena. That still doesn't mean they have to print every ad from every advertiser.

Out of the 120 members of the 15th Knesset, only 17 are women. The ad is misleading and pushes a message of success that only exists in the minds of those who want to believe it. If I were female and I chose to move to Israel based on the ad I'd probably be pretty disappointed at the reality on the ground. This is, after all, a country that still has segregated transit buses. If the American Jewish Congress really wants to fight anti-Israeli sentiment then perhaps they should focus on fighting inequality inside Israel where the problem appears to lie rather than shooting the messenger.

I just want to point out that the city buses in Saudi Arabia have a seperate, walled-off section at the back with its own entrance for women. There's a coin box so they can pay but there's no conductor or anything other than, well, women sitting back there. Sometimes they might have their children with them.

It's not like getting on a bus as we know it, and having to go to the back. Saudi women have their own traveling compartment completely divorced from the driver and the male passengers.

Please carry on.

.......Back of Bus for Israeli Women.........

......so they have Jewish Taliban in Israel.......

.......Muslim, Jew or Christian.....the more fervently they believe...the less human they behave........

i think the most important thing that all religious zealots forget

including islam, judaism, christianity, hinduism etc etc

is in the end, we don't know
its a belief not a fact.

stop imposing your relationship with God on everyone else... everyone else has the right to their own relationship

i think all the major religions have a judge not clause, but many followers forget this.

israel is definately not as bad as saudi (except for maybe in a few sections populated by the orthadox), but i and many in the muslim community acknowledge this and would love to fight for change... too bad saudi arabia is a monarchy and doesn't give a shit about what the people want.

And with oil money, saudi citizens have no reason to complain... "hey follow our rules and you will get THIS MUCH riches, THIS MUCH gold... or get out"

sucky situation, maybe in 80 years when the oil runs out things will change.

I hear ads on the radio all the time paid for by AJC, I think. They always try to convince us that Israel is our ally and blah, blah, blah.
Pure propaganda but I'm sure it must be working or we wouldn't still be giving them billions every year.

It's Jews and Christains against the muslim world, wake up and get use to it.

Ms. Magazine--and American Feminism in general--is not really for the advancement of women, nor for the celebration of successful women, nor for going after injustices to women. It is, instead, an institution devoted to liberalism.

Which explains why feminists prostrated themselves before the Clinton Administration--whodda thought that they would go to bat so often, and so predictably, for a serial rapist? After all, didn't we hear for years that a consensual relationship between a boss and an employee--let alone an unpaid one--is automatically sexual harrassment?

American feminists have sat by silently while women all over the world have been exploited by the Islamists. In fact, the only feminists who really are in the true sense of the word, today, ARE Muslim--those brave enough to speak out against the horrific treatment at the hands of Islamic men, and their governments. One would think that George Bush--under whose governance the Taliban has been wiped out, and AFDC payments have tripled, and millions of households headed by unmarried women have been removed from the tax rolls entirely--would have been celebrated by Ms. magazine and their ilk.

But he's a Republican. So . . . no way.

Wow .. reading this thread we learn most of you never bother reading and comment anyway based on your own pre conceived notions. We also learn most hate Jews and will use any excuse to bash them.

Lets begin shall we.

Some here actually claim after (supposedly) reading the article that Israel is somehow like Saudi Arabia ... hmmmm

I wonder how many lawsuits there have been in SA regarding the conflict between religious law and secular? Can any of you guess?

Did we all read this:

"A transport ministry spokesman said the bus seating system was voluntary and it was up to the public companies to address any violence the rules provoked."

And despite the very clear language in the piece we have a post here that claims:

"This is, after all, a country that still has segregated transit buses. If the American Jewish Congress really wants to fight anti-Israeli sentiment then perhaps they should focus on fighting inequality inside Israel where the problem appears to lie rather than shooting the messenger."


No sorry but there are NO segregated transit PUBLIC transit buses. There are ASSHOLES that think they can make their own rules like there are in EVERY society.

Now what do you suppose would happen to ASSHOLES in Saudi Arabia if they ever challenged the status quo?

And so what we've learned here is :

Israel is certainly NOT like Saudi Arabia whatsoever

Many here hate Jews so much they will imagine and read into any story about Israel or Jews all their own dark fantasies about Jews.

And finally for the jerk who posted :

"Israel will always, always, always play the anti-semite card, regardless of the circumstances.

You would think that after over 60 years, people would move on"

Yes people should so why are there a dozen anti Semitic incidents everyday? You're of course completely unaware of that and because of your ignorance you'd like to make some claim that has no basis whatsoever in fact?

Kids attending Jewish schools in London need to have police escorts to prevent attacks; 5 Jewish high schoolers in Berlin were attacked today, a march of neo Nazis set for the city of Pilsen Czech to end at the city's synagogue was banned this morning .... this goes on everyday

But even more clearly is the rank double standard exhibited here which ought to prove my point. The virus of Jew hatred is very much alive and well and growing and if you don't believe it, it speaks more to your own ignorance.

MONEYWAR please post the example of anyone in SA challenging any religious edict ?

Or shut the fuck up





And to add to RIGHTISRIGHT

The Left now has adopted an anti Israel position in the hopes that it will endear them to the Islamists who they have recently buddied up with. Its just the usual the enemy of my friend is my enemy and so Israel and the Jews naturally need to become the enemies of the Left and so we see ....

Our so called "progressives' supporting the most repressive groups on the planet regarding women - Islamists. The joke of jokes when the Brit Left marched in London holding signs that stated "We Are All Hezbollah" which of course put them squarely in the corner of those who believe in killing gays because they are gay and relegating women to the veil.
Its your usual uber hypocrite Left as we also see here
from those who insist Israel is the same as Saudi Arabia and yet this very article is about the Leftist Magiazine rejecting an advertisement that celebrates the three most important jobs in Israeli government are held by women ...

CAN ANYONE HERE PLEASE POST THE THREE MOST IMPORTANT WOMEN IN SAUDI ARABIA AND THE HIGH LEVEL JOBS THEY HOLD?

No of course you can't because women hold no important job there and are barely visible and yet here Israel is compared to Saudi Arabia like there's any reality to that claim? Come on people.

Like I said, its pathetic hypocrisy along with a pinch of anti Semitism that enables so many to be so blind to their own bias.

Ms Magazine rejected the ad because of its concern for their readership which is obviously made up of the typical leftie Jihadi sympathizing Israel basher.

re: CAN ANYONE HERE PLEASE POST THE THREE MOST IMPORTANT WOMEN IN SAUDI ARABIA AND THE HIGH LEVEL JOBS THEY HOLD?

No of course you can't because women hold no important job there and are barely visible and yet here Israel is compared to Saudi Arabia like there's any reality to that claim? Come on people.

Like I said, its pathetic hypocrisy along with a pinch of anti Semitism that enables so many to be so blind to their own bias.

Ms Magazine rejected the ad because of its concern for their readership which is obviously made up of the typical leftie Jihadi sympathizing Israel basher.

Posted by GZlives at 2008-01-17 12:11 PM | Reply



Here's our newest and bestest arms sale to Saudi Arabia:

www.reuters.com

"One would think that George Bush--under whose governance the Taliban has been wiped out,...

Posted by rightisright at 2008-01-17 10:54 AM"

You're a delusional retard.

Just a reminder that GZ is a self-proclaimed Zionist and therefore places more allegiance in the false state of Israel than the United States.

If you do not like GZ and his Zionist agenda, make your voice heard and fight Zionism at every chance that you get.

The United States is NOT responsible for the safety of Israel or the Zionists within Israel or the United States.

It is Zionist like GZ that cause the pain and suffering of the true Jewish man and woman who despise the Zionists attempt to hi-jack Judaism.

Most Zionist, including GZ are NOT religious and only hide behind the Jewish religion to advance the Zionist agenda.

They are FAKE Jews. Do not be fooled by their bullshit. Zionist are the epitome of Anti-Semites.

Fight Zionism to its death here and everywhere. Free the Jewish people from their hostages.

"It's Jews and Christains against the muslim world, wake up and get use to it."

Personally, I'm keeping an eye on those damn Shintoists.

gzlives

i agree with you on the fact that there is a lot of jewish hatred and legit anti-semetism still in the world.

and that saudi arabia no one is standing up
but i gave reasons for that earlier... a) monarchy b) the monitary benefits of being a saudi citizen or expatriate out-weight the struggle for human rights.

i also agree this is wrong.

but i also believe that being anti israeli, and anti semite are two different things.

one is against the government of israel and its policies and one is hatred of all jewish people.

i think israel's policies (right or wrong) are to blame for a lot of anti israeli sentiment, which sometimes leaks over to anti jewish sentiment for more then obvious reasons. We as civilized people need to find a way to seperate our opposition to a government with our opposition to a race.

The later is wrong and the former is our right as citizens of a free democracy.

Just like i don't oppose the arab peoples, but i oppose the Saudi Monarchy.

"One would think that George Bush--under whose governance the Taliban has been wiped out,...

Posted by rightisright at 2008-01-17 10:54 AM"

Today's news:
Gates projected an image of unity among Western nations involved in Afghanistan during a Pentagon news briefing, praising the "valor and sacrifice" of NATO forces battling Taliban militants in the country's volatile south.

(I guess Gates didn't get the memo - the Taliban is wiped out!)

First off, yes absolutely I am a Zionist as every Jew and many non Jews are as well. What I don't understand is why shouldn't I be? ManyPaths through his obvious ignorance would like to characterize Zionism as something other then what it is and so for his own edification (look it up MP if you don't know what it means) here's the definition

Zionism, the national movement for the return of the Jewish people to their homeland and the resumption of Jewish sovereignty in the Land of Israel, advocated, from its inception, tangible as well as spiritual aims. Jews of all persuasions, left and right, religious and secular, joined to form the Zionist movement and worked together toward these goals. Disagreements led to rifts, but ultimately, the common goal of a Jewish state in its ancient homeland was attained. The term "Zionism" was coined in 1890 by Nathan Birnbaum.

My response to you KLIFFORD is this piece from an Aussie magazine which echoes my own sentiment. In two parts.


Since that day in 2001, we have become accustomed to declarations that the world will never be the same, and to some degree this is true. The "war on terror" has entered the vernacular; the radicalisation of Islam is now openly discussed, not just in the West but in the Islamic world as well; the world appears more dangerous; the identification of "global threats" - from terrorism to climate change - has become a dominant political discourse; populations in Western democracies, such as Britain and France, are now cognisant of alienated and radicalised home-grown sub-cultures.

At the same time, some things have not changed. Tragically, the existence of anti-Semitism is one of them. As the UK Chief Rabbi Sir Jonathan Sacks said, "German fascism came and went. Soviet Communism came and went. Anti-Semitism came and stayed."

In the ages long history of anti-Semitism there have been landmark examples of institutionalised persecutions, including the German Crusade of 1096, the Spanish Inquisition, pogroms and of course the Holocaust. In a Darwinian sense anti-Semitism has adapted to the cataclysms of the day, but with common antecedents that can be traced back to timeworn anti-Semitic archetypes.
It is therefore not surprising that the shockwaves of 9-11 would generate anti-Semitic conspiracy theories about the planning and execution of the attacks. For Jews, the primary anti-Semitic motif following 9-11 - a Mephistophelian engineering of world events - is entirely familiar. Nevertheless the escalation of anti-Semitic incidents this century is alarming.

In last month's report, the Executive Council of Australian Jewry documented the highest number of anti-Semitic incidents since it began aggregating these statistics in 1989. In the 12 months preceding the report more than 630 incidents of anti-Jewish violence, vandalism, harassment and intimidation have been reported to various Jewish community institutions, including the ADC.

This figure is double the annual average. Just as troubling is the fact that in the last two years we have witnessed an unprecedented level of serious anti-Semitic incidents, which included the use of weapons such as knives and baseball bats. Australia has witnessed one of the most drastic rises in (worldwide) anti-Semitic violence.

The anti-Semitic rhetoric of Islamic preachers is also a critical issue in Australia. Two of the more notorious recent examples are Sheikh Taj el-Din el-Hilali, mufti of Lakemba Mosque, Sydney, and Sheikh Feiz Mohammed, former leader of the Global Islamic Youth Centre in Sydney, whose anti-Semitic rantings were disseminated in the Death Series DVD that was distributed in Australia.
According to UN International Conventions, racial discrimination relates to "any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin". Thus holding any race, ethnic group or nationality to a different standard than others is racial discrimination. On this basis how do we assess the anomalous treatment of Israel? Just as Holocaust deniers hide behind the euphemism of "historical research", so "anti-Zionism" has become the alter ego of anti-Semitism, particularly attractive to the gullible and politically naive.
Anti-Semitism masks as anti-Zionism when it is characterised by a demonisation of Israel, racist caricatures, conspiratorial overtones and depictions of the Holocaust as both the precursor of the "Zionist entity" and a point of comparison (i.e. comparing Jews with Nazis). Those who make these claims, often with references to apartheid and ethnic cleansing, do not seek to criticise Israel but to demonise it as a fascist regime in order to justify its destruction.

On the far Left there is a strange infatuation with the Jewish State, so much so that Israel is routinely demonised. Perversely the silence of the Left with regard to unequivocally racist regimes is odious. For instance, Slobodan Milosevic's genocidal attacks in Bosnia and Kosovo hardly raised a murmur in this country and the plight of Muslim separatists in Chechnya is rarely mentioned.

Where are the massive public campaigns to protest the Darfur genocide by Amnesty International Australia, or Human Rights Watch, which rushed to a false and mendacious judgment that Israeli soldiers massacred civilians in Jenin? In the six months following US Secretary of State Colin Powell's declaration there were significant and credible eyewitness accounts of a genocide in Darfur, Amnesty International released 39 reports on alleged Israeli human rights abuses, mentioning the horrors of Sudan in only seven reports.

In Africa the ethnic militias in the Congo have killed more than a million in the last ten years: Chad, Somalia, Sierra Leone, Angola, Mozambique and Ethiopia add to that continent's lethal tally. Yet the new United Nations Human Rights Council passed only 12 country-specific resolutions; nine censures of Israel and three non-condemnatory resolutions on Sudan. In 2006 it voted to make its review of human rights abuses by Israel a permanent agenda item of every council session, the only country subject to this regimen.

Anti-Semitism has been a scourge for over 2,000 years. That its re-emergence - after 60 years of scholarship into the gestation of the Holocaust, rafts of anti-racist legislation, and ever-increasing interfaith dialogue - is authentically shocking. More so that it appears to gain momentum in a liberal democracy where respect for freedom and dignity of the individual, together with ethnic tolerance, is ingrained in the fabric of the society.

And for the mental midgets here let me cull from the above to ease their capacity for thought

"Anti-Semitism masks as anti-Zionism when it is characterised by a demonisation of Israel, racist caricatures, conspiratorial overtones and depictions of the Holocaust as both the precursor of the "Zionist entity" and a point of comparison (i.e. comparing Jews with Nazis). Those who make these claims, often with references to apartheid and ethnic cleansing, do not seek to criticise Israel but to demonise it as a fascist regime in order to justify its destruction.

On the far Left there is a strange infatuation with the Jewish State, so much so that Israel is routinely demonised. Perversely the silence of the Left with regard to unequivocally racist regimes is odious. For instance, Slobodan Milosevic's genocidal attacks in Bosnia and Kosovo hardly raised a murmur in this country and the plight of Muslim separatists in Chechnya is rarely mentioned.

Where are the massive public campaigns to protest the Darfur genocide by Amnesty International Australia, or Human Rights Watch, which rushed to a false and mendacious judgment that Israeli soldiers massacred civilians in Jenin? In the six months following US Secretary of State Colin Powell's declaration there were significant and credible eyewitness accounts of a genocide in Darfur, Amnesty International released 39 reports on alleged Israeli human rights abuses, mentioning the horrors of Sudan in only seven reports.

In Africa the ethnic militias in the Congo have killed more than a million in the last ten years: Chad, Somalia, Sierra Leone, Angola, Mozambique and Ethiopia add to that continent's lethal tally. Yet the new United Nations Human Rights Council passed only 12 country-specific resolutions; nine censures of Israel and three non-condemnatory resolutions on Sudan. In 2006 it voted to make its review of human rights abuses by Israel a permanent agenda item of every council session, the only country subject to this regimen."

Where's all YOUR outrage MANYPATHS ?
Up your ass as usual?
Or just saved solely for Jew bashing ?

gzlives

again
i am not arguing the existance of anti semitism.

but you can oppose israel's government policies without being anti semitic? am i off here?

i believe in a two state solution btw
not the destruction of israel.

GW. called the palestinian land (post 1967, ie gaza, westbank) as being "occupied"

is GW an anti semite?
what about the jewish people that oppose "occupation" - are they anti semite or anti themselves? all of them?

i have many friends... like brothers... that are of the jewish faith. I am certainly not anti jewish. We sometimes disagree politically, but i would take a bullet for them.

Are Jewish people persecuted. Yes
Do muslim preachers exist who teach anti-semetism. Yes.
whats my feeling about them. fuck them
there is no religious hierarchy or theocratical body in islam. each preacher is independent. 1.2 billion followers. 10's of thousands of preachers. some are going to be shit heads. if i was at a mosque and i heard that shit.

a) i would tell them to stop with their hate mongering
b) if such stuff didn't stop, i would switch mosques and encourage as many others to follow.

oh and depending on the severity of their hate mongering i might have to go to higher authorities.

I don't think we disagree at all Klifferd

We are speaking about an ad that claims Israel is a progressive nation for women. We are not talking about Judaism, Christianity, or Islam. Israel is a nation made up of a lot of religious faiths, is it not? And every religion has it's sects that are oppressive to women or minorities of some sort.

My point wasn't that Judaism is harsh on women. Judaism doesn't come into it because there are sects that are extremely liberal and sects that are extremely orthodox. The same could be said on any religion.

My point was and is that the ad is a misrepresentation and it failed the editorial standards of the magazine. Ms. magazine doesn't have to defend or explain it's editorial standards to anyone.

So will all the anti-semites and the anti-anti-semites please stick to the issue. There will be no karma for anyone who tries to drag religion into this.

Ms. magazine doesn't have to defend or explain it's editorial standards to anyone.


They've championed the feminist agenda and ridiculed men for 35 years. Between the rants they push usual tabloid fare dressed up with smart, snappy prose, but in the end they really don't care about the average women - except as a receptacle for their propaganda.

The whole careerism movement was started by a bored Jewish housewife who continued to spend her husband's money, though she made a financial success of writing and giving speeches.

Even as she and others enticed women into the 40 hr workweek and beyond, they knew that women would be offered a smaller wage. This was actually a boon for corporations because they could uncut the wages of men while the gender wars raged between the pages of rags like Ms.

Israel is a socialist country. In the kibbutz men and women worked side by side, fought side by side, and Golda Meir became Prime Minister in 1969 almost three years before Ms hit the newsstand. Now I see that it is run by the Feminist Majority Foundation, which sounds a lot like that dream that Karl Rove had about a Permanent Republican Majority. Considering there's numerically more women in the population one might consider that they have a better chance of establishing their goal.

Which also means that they will support and vote for a flawed candidate like Hillary Clinton because she's a woman regardless if there's a better qualified man.

The fact is, if editorial standards were really the issue the Israelis should be wondering what they were thinking when they approached Ms. Of course they really didn't. Some ad firm selected them based on demographics. But in the end the ad was rejected for one reason.

The standard of "nonprofit, nonpartisan organizations that promote women's equality and social goals" automatically disqualifies every nation because the purpose of government is to provide for ALL the people in the nation including men.

The irony of course involves two words: nonpartisan and women's. You can't be nonpartisan and promote one gender to the neglect and often the denigration of the other.

Who are they kidding? Just read the thread.

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