Jenny died very late one night -- 11:45 PM to be exact. The morning that she died the doctors were still saying that she could live as long as three months more. We were making the arrangements to move her to a hospice in fact.

I had stayed at the hospital the night before, as I had been since she went into the coma several days before. I knew all the nurses very well by then. One of the younger ones came in that night and we chatted a bit. She asked if we had children. I said yes, a 12 YO boy. Tears welled up in her eyes and fell off her cheeks. She choked out, "I have a 12 year old son, too." She kind of arranged the tubes and stuff to one side of the bed and we moved Jenny a few inches over. I got in the bed with her and the nurse left.

Since she had slipped into the coma a week earlier she had had a weird breathing pattern. She would take three breaths then stop for a while, and take three more breaths. So many times the break in between the three breath rhythm was so long that I thought it was her last breath. But then it would resume. It was strange, but we were used to it. While I lay next to her listenting to that pattern I talked to her. I was sure she didn't hear, but I talked anyway. I told her how much Jake and I loved her. I assured her that we would be OK. I thanked her for all the love she gave me, Jake and the world. I thanked her for her patience in raising Jake and restraining me from being too strict and keeping me from punishing him for things he didn't understand. As I was talking to her, that strange breathing pattern changed. It was almost as if she was choking or gasping. I think that she was trying to say something since this was the first time that breathing pattern had changed in a week. I stroked her bald head (the radiation had taken away her beautiful thick curly hair) and told her I, "I know. Don't try to talk". Then she resumed the strange three breath breathing pattern.

When the doctor came in and made his rounds at 8:00 the next day, I talked to him, bleary eyed, clothes rumpled, and probably a bad case of morning breath. I said, "she's going to die today, isn't she?" He said that it could still be three more months. I told him he was wrong. It would be that day. Well, I'm sure doctors are used to the babble of distraught people like me who were watching a loved one die. He just kind of nodded and went away.

My sister D. came by to spell me. She, sister Y., and Jenny's sisters were all taking turns staying with Jenny. Someone had bought a book about Angels and we were reading it to her even though she was in a coma by then and probably couldn't hear. I went home to sleep.

I came back at about 7:00 PM that night since I was always the overnight person. I brought Chinese food for Y, Jenny's friend M. who was there and myself. When I came into the room, there they were, reading to her. But there was blood on the corner of her mouth and oozing out of her nose. Her breathing was more intense and labored. Someone had put a small porcelain cross with lilies on it next to her head on the pillow. When I saw that I burst into uncontrollable tears. I said, "I can't be here. Y'all have to stay here tonight" and I turned and ran out of the hospital. I took me a while to compose myself in the hospital parking lot before I could even drive. Thinking back that was so cowardly of me, that her husband would abandon her like that. But I was irrational at the time. But Y. and D. of course stayed. I left the Chinese food there. To this day, when I smell Szechuan, my chest tightens.


About four hours later Yvette called me and told me Jenny had died.

And now it's just another show
You leave 'em crying when you go
And if you care don't let 'em know
Don't give yourself away.

(With apologies to Joni Mitchell)

That is sad Goat. I can relate to it watching my father nurse my mother as she is slipping away.

This site was much more ruthless a couple of years ago before Rcade set courtesy standards. You have to have a gladiator mentality to enjoy this site.

goat - I am very sorry to hear about your wife.

I am also sorry about this goodbye.

I hope we get to see you again someday.

Satyr-Sorry to see you go. Best where ever. Think of Jenny it will help. Bye

Goatman-

Ignore the idiots, you bring more to this space then all of them combined.

Most of us are truly sorry for your loss, and the rest of them aren't worth much more then a bucket of warm spit.

Take some time off, and if you feel like returning, do as I do and stay away from Beefalo
Boob and Spud's insane rantings.

Take care.

Over the years I've rarely engaged with Spud and Bob. I can't be bothered reading Spud's third person writing style and Bob's conspiracy theories don't interest me. He'll argue incessantly over the smallest details.

"Buffalo Bob, like spud, went way over the line yesterday with his statement: In addition, we have no proof you were even married.."

Bob is an idiot. Ignore him.

Don't do it man. Don't let the actions of others get to you like that. You're the better man.

I apologize. To people like spud and bob, I will not miss you at all.

If you stay...then promise not to follow them from thread to thread with attacks.

If you do go, don't doubt you'll be back.

I met GOATMAN. He is a very very nice person.

If we all met we'd most likely find a group of nice people, and those who aren't much of the time here as those who have things going on in their lives that leave them angry or upset and venting over unrelated things here at an anonymous blog.

While I lean Dem and he Rep, it was my typical life experience when I started talking to GOATMAN about the Apollo program (we were both huge astronaut nuts as kids then) that a great conversation was to be found. That led to other subjects - all non-political. And then we discovered that even politically he and I, like most of us, aren't that far apart in our disappointment in the current state of affairs, and share in common hope for a brighter future for The United States of America.

Anyway, it was a real pleasure to chat with GOATMAN late at night, and a larger pleasure to hang out some. You couldn't meet a nicer person.

I'll bet if even some of those who find themselves (as I have a couple of times) in a flame war were to meet over a glass, a good time without all the animosity would be had by all.

All the best man.

I met GOATMAN. He is a very very nice person.

If we all met we'd most likely find a group of nice people, and those who aren't much of the time here as those who have things going on in their lives that leave them angry or upset and venting over unrelated things here at an anonymous blog.

While I lean Dem and he Rep, it was my typical life experience when I started talking to GOATMAN about the Apollo program (we were both huge astronaut nuts as kids then) that a great conversation was to be found. That led to other subjects - all non-political. And then we discovered that even politically he and I, like most of us, aren't that far apart in our disappointment in the current state of affairs, and share in common hope for a brighter future for The United States of America.

Anyway, it was a real pleasure to chat with GOATMAN late at night, and a larger pleasure to hang out some. You couldn't meet a nicer person.

I'll bet if even some of those who find themselves (as I have a couple of times) in a flame war were to meet over a glass, a good time without all the animosity would be had by all.

All the best man.

Sorry about the double post. I thought I missed the 'PUBLISH' button the first time.

I would like to echo the take time off. Return and be welcomed.

Goatman,

You and I had nothing but the most cordial discussions and I was the better for it. Many thanks.

Your thread, Taxman's recent post, and two notes I sent to Rogers he ignored to ask him to step in and stop the unrelenting attacks I'd had to put up with from one poster have been making me reconsider as well.

It's not "letting the terrorists win", it's removing negativity from your life. I understand your position.

Best regards, and I hope we meet again.

'It's not "letting the terrorists win", it's removing negativity from your life. I understand your position."

Well said, TPS. A periodic vacation from Drudge is good for the soul.

Best of luck Goat. As I said before, the DR won't be the same. Hope you'll rejoin us one day soon.

Goodluck Goat. This place does get old after a while.

Check your email Goaty

from what little time i've spent here, you, goatman, seem one of the fairest of people.

i'm sorry about your lovely jenny - you could have been recounting some of the same moments i spent with my own father at the end of his life due to lung cancer.

sometimes when we let too much of ourselves out, others will use it against us.

i'll pray that you find your way back to people who seem to love you very much right here in this arena.

That's nice of you to say Nanc,

I spent 5 months caring for my mother when she was dying of breast cancer. I know Chris and others care for elderly parents, and even thought during the Holidays of putting up a thread acknowledging the virtue of their duty.

What touched me is that Goat still sees Jennifer in his life. That's a Whole Lotta Love.

Boxes of pictures
Faded and golden
Windows to old days gone by
They're ancient old stories
Whispered in silence
They tell us the where and the why
Because memory eludes us
It hides in the shadows
Humming old songs of the sea
Like shards of a mirror
Suspended in amber
And the only thing missing is me
The reluctant repository

Time...was never a good friend to me
The ancient old thief, he just takes what he wants
And leaves nothing to dine on but regret
And some old, vague enuii

So here's to those old times
We seem to have forgotten
And here's to our old friends gone by
They live in these pictures
Smiling forever
So let's raise our glasses up high
And drink to their memory

Time...was never a good friend to me
The ancient old thief, he just takes what he wants
And leaves nothing to dine on but regret
And some old, vague enuii

--3/4 time

I think Goatman should reconsider and see how he feels in a day or two before he says his break from DR is permanent. Goat makes his own decisions, of course, and negativity is always bad for the soul. Still, I hope Goat changes his mind about leaving as most on here would like to see him stay. In addition to his coming back to DR, I hope that Goat would also agree he and the others in this flamewar need a clean start that will be free from painful comments -- from all sides.
No need to go over who started what. We all know the story.

Let's also let BuffaloBob enjoy his time on here without pressure from stalking and harsh comments I feel he does not always deserve. I've been called a hell of a lot worse than "Dummy" in my lifetime. Just because he is a "truthseeker" of a different sort doesn't give others the right to shred him at every opportunity and on every thread. JOHNSON said it best when he compared BBob to the village "storyteller" and suggested we just accept him for the entertainment he brings.

Why not instead just use BBob's "mystery" videos as a chance to garner some knowledge by reading the arguments and research often presented on his threads by some of the other posters. No need to always bash BBob into the ground when he doesn't want to accept certain facts. It's his choice. That too needs to stop.

More respect needs to be shown for the feelings of others. I don't care whether or not this is only some cyberspace blog -- the person on that keyboard is a human being with human feelings and emotions. Everyone should try to remember that from time to time.

Okay, that's my 2 cents.

I think the stars aligned for me take the break i intended to take a couple of weeks ago. Got a lot going on around here and the timing seems right with the late night crew now disbanded and scattered into the ehters of cyberspace.

With the holidays over now, there are other things I should probably spend time doing. Sure is fun to interact with people when all my good friends are sound asleep and my quintillion free cell minutes are unusable (of course LOL) Well, come to think of it I have friends on Maui. Let's see...what time is it there? (Google, google, google ..... 10:53 Too late)

Y'all take care. Have fun!

I'll be back one of these nights ......

Love and laughter to ya,

AU :-)

And GOATMAN, just take a break. Never say never, you might wanna come back and chat...

Y'all take care. Have fun!

I'll be back one of these nights ......


Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2008-01-1

ONE of these nights??? How about tomorrow night!

I suppose this is as good time as any for me to spend my nights finally getting started on Michener's Texas that I received for Christmas since all my rowdy friends seem to have left DR. Still...I'll bet y'all are back here before very long *grin*. Now where did I put that book....

CHRIS

GOATMAN's boogieing out for now comes at a good time for me. It's a good time to take a break for real. Too many coinciding factors say so.

BTW I loved 'Texas'. Quite a book it is. I've been a fan of Michener's for a long time. I don't know how I managed to read all his books one year, but they are an amazing journey and educational at the same time. In 'Texas' I learned stuff about Sam Houston I never knew.

If you haven't read 'Mexico', I highly recommend that one too (hopefully without giving you PTSD at the mention of the title. I know you're feeling the consequences of illegal immigration more than I am. :-)
I lived in L.A. and travel out there on business (although not so much the last year due to personal stuff), so I get to see it and then leave. But, I know it's a big deal where you live and certainly can understand your strong feelings about that issue when I put myself in your shoes.

You're a kind soul and a good man *grin*

Take care of yourself. Cya around... (and no, it won't be tomorrow night)

AU :-)

PS I'd send you a bunch of Michener's books, but the freight would be like $8000. They're so big they're also a useful weapon if needed LOL

OK AU over and out.... fa real

AU

If you haven't read 'Mexico', I highly recommend that one too (hopefully without giving you PTSD at the mention of the title. I know you're feeling the consequences of illegal immigration more than I am. :-) I lived in L.A. and travel out there on business (although not so much the last year due to personal stuff), so I get to see it and then leave. But, I know it's a big deal where you live and certainly can understand your strong feelings about that issue when I put myself in your shoes.


I had planned on first reading his novel Mexico first since you had previously mentioned it was a great read. But the review I read said Michener's book focused a fair portion of the background in his novel on bullfighting -- which I detest. That is the ONLY reason I did not order his novel Mexico before now and would not want to read it anytime in the future.

You know, your idea for a break from this place sounds like a really good one for me do too. It's a good time for me to take a break from here for awhile and long overdue.

Hardball is one thing. Childish nastiness is another. Sorry it came to this, Goatman.

:(

-Be well Goatman.

I am sorry to see both Goatman and Spud are gone. I hope both will be back.

I think this story is apropos considering the situation.

A young Indian brave was filled with internal conflict. He went to the chief of the village and told him that he felt as though he had two wolves inside of him all the time.

One of the wolves was brave and strong. He was filled with goodness and light for everyone and everything around him. But the other wolf was hostile, angry, and intolerant. It was always seeking to hurt everyone and everything around it. The young brave explained that some days one wolf was stronger, and other days the other wolf seemed to be winning.

"Can you tell me which one of these two wolves will eventually win out and gain control?" he asked the chief.
"It's quite simple," replied the wise old man. "The one that gains control and wins will be the one you feed the most."


Cheers and best to both of you.

"I am sorry to see both Goatman and Spud are gone. I hope both will be back."

I don't think I'm so sorry to see Spud gone. As far as I'm concerned he's a vicious, uncaring, arrogant, patronizing pompous ass with no social redeeming grace. Goat's mistake was to be open with an animal like that and allow him to gain too much personal info. Spud's only interest on these boards is/was to impress others with his cute "brilliance" and to attempt to destroy those who didn't join his admirers. I'm really sorry that Goatman was hurt to the extent that he felt he had to leave.
If you see this, I know you're ex-navy, Goat, and as a retired old "shipmate" I wish you smooth sailing and favorable seas, hoping all the while you'll be back.

i have never liked goatman... he came off as a know it all partisan and the way he stalked b-bob was sad.
that being said, i think attacks against a lost loved one are way too much and i don't blame him at all for wanting to leave this place behind.
i may disagree with alot of people and their views but i wish no harm to anyone here.. and that includes emotional harm.
you may be a dickhead in my book but i still wish you the best goatman.

Best of Luck Goatman, sorry to see you go.

This venue is not for any personal info at all we see this time and time again.

Goat:

...and pluck till time and times are done
the silver apples of the moon
the golden apples of the sun

Goatman,

I hope someday you reconsider, but I certainly understand.

I think the dosage of this place that any of us can take is different for all of us. Most of the time this is an interesting place, with points of view that will cover the full spectrum. At other times this place can get dark and unpleasant, to say the least.

Most of us, over the time we've been here, have learned not to give information that's sensitive enough to really hurt us. There are those here that will take any bit that will help them to gain a perceived advantage, and use it with little regard for taste or tact. Though it's a cowardly practice, since people rarely meet face to face, things that would normally be off limits in the real world are often fair game here. The only consequence is what you've seen happen to Spud, or total expulsion for some. I won't mention any names, but even the worst seem to find their way back, if they want back. Spud is far from the worst, but I guess we all have our buttons.

The DR is somewhat unique. It's one of the few places where almost any reasonable topic is fair game. It draws a cross section of society. With that cross section come the bad and the good. The only way to avoid this is by frequenting safe sites that don't allow dissenting views, or sites that only discuss certain topics with no personal interaction.

I'm very sorry to hear about your wife. You obviously cared and care very deeply for her. I'm sorry someone decided to use your feelings against you. But I doubt if anyone can promise it won't happen again, here or anywhere else. Think about it, and come back if and when you're ready.

I believe most of us will be happy to see you!

Goatman,
Sorry to see you go, but it's completely understandable. Unfortunately some people result to personal attacks when they can't win an argument with logic. I'm more of a reader than a poster, but have found you to be civil and one of the most rational posters on this site. The debates on this site will certainly lose some balance with your absence.

If you change your mind, most will welcome you back. If not, have a good life.

Goatman,
Deepest sympathies to you.

G-Man--

Thank you for sharing your story with your wife and I am deeply sorry for your loss.

I want to let you know that when you were talking with her--even in a coma--she heard you and felt you there. Really...I know people personally in comas who came out, and said they heard and knew people were with them.

I know one who was going to have the plug pulled. My husband's best friend. He went to the hospital and they were ready to pull the plug--He touched his arm and said he was going to be ok and was he there? The machines went wacky. The doctors were confused-(No shit!) When the machines went wacky they took the friend back in for tests on his brain. Two days later he was awake. He has told us he knew people were there with him--and his coma was the deepest--like it's time to pull the plug coma. (Bad car accident). He is fine now and onery as ever.

Take a break--I took one for a while--too much work going on and sometimes some of the folks can be brutal here. There will be bad apples everywhere. The pity part is that some folks don't even know they are a bad apple. ;o(

And I think you had the sour cream in the stew recipe. We loved it.--;o)---Thanks.

You can always start a conversation with one poster and ignore the static.

Murphy

If you stay...then promise not to follow them from thread to thread with attacks.

If you do go, don't doubt you'll be back.

Posted by Alexandrite

A young Indian brave was filled with internal conflict. He went to the chief of the village and told him that he felt as though he had two wolves inside of him all the time.

One of the wolves was brave and strong. He was filled with goodness and light for everyone and everything around him. But the other wolf was hostile, angry, and intolerant. It was always seeking to hurt everyone and everything around it. The young brave explained that some days one wolf was stronger, and other days the other wolf seemed to be winning.

"Can you tell me which one of these two wolves will eventually win out and gain control?" he asked the chief.
"It's quite simple," replied the wise old man. "The one that gains control and wins will be the one you feed the most."


Cheers and best to both of you.

Posted by Grendel



the two posts above reflects my sentiments...Sri Goatman:>) in general.

Atheistism & Agnosticism are tough roads to follow for those who lose their love ones & pets. The pain of loss never really goes away until one's own death ~ really, which is why people who have had near death experiences tend to be more compassionate than those who haven't.

They have seen a fragment of the other side & usally experience the love that awaits them there & which has always been around them ~ really, so when they come back here ~ they know abit more about life than most.

Death is just another temporary illusion ~ Maya is the Hindu term for it as we go life after life searching for the sublime essence of God ~ one way or another:>)

With Love, Bani

Goat - don't know whether you are still monitoring replies but I too will be sad to see you go, but I can certainly understand why you have chosen to do so. I shall miss our recipe chats on the nooner, as well as your well reasoned opinion on many other topics. While you and I are at polar opposites of the UFO debate you have never been anything but a gentleman toward me and to most of the other posters here. If you decide to return at some point in the future you will no doubt be welcomed back with open arms.

PS) My sincerest condolences on the loss of your beloved wife. I believe she has just gone to another room, and you will join her there someday.

Rightwingers have been waiting for a long time to find a way to attack Dethspud. He has been one of the most consistent thorns in their sides on this site. Unfortunately, Spud gave them their opening. Now history is being rewritten to cast Dethspud as some type of jerk. That is not the case. (Though truth be told I find his style of posting to be annoying.) He arguably went over the line with Goatman, but frankly I think anyone who takes anything said on a website like this to heart is being somewhat foolish. When I compare what consistent jerks people like Sniper and Pinche and Rideon and Tadowe are, with Dethspud, I find there is no comparison. If it were up to me the former four would be exiled permanently. Dethspud I would have given a twenty four hour time out and that's it. As for Goatman leaving for good, - I have no strong feeling one way or the other. But it would have been nice had everyone, especially BuffaloBob dropped the subject when Goatman indicated that was his desire. But then again, BBob is a contentious son of a bitch. And we all know that going in, so why pretend to be shocked or outraged.

Now history is being rewritten to cast Dethspud as some type of jerk. That is not the case.

Depends on what you mean by "history". Recent history regarding spud is that he a huge ass. Mostly a hateful ass. He deserved his timeout and we can leave it at that.

Very sorry to see Goatman go. What is shameful is that it is over what assholes like spud and bob. Personally, I don't have a real problem with spud except to take issue with his rage and hate of anything conservative. That it is right to hate conservatives........it only shows his lack of depth and his true one-sided bias. no big deal though.

On the whole, I would say that losing goatman and keeping spud and bob is a very bad trade. Personally I would rather have all 3..........well probably not bob.

goat was a good guy. He was a conservative but I found him fair and open to debate. We need more like him here certainly not less. This blog takes a hit whenever we lose good posters.

On the whole, I would say that losing goatman and keeping spud and bob is a very bad trade. Personally I would rather have all 3..........well probably not bob.

Posted by eberly

FF

I would trade ~ temporary ~ you for BB, though:>)

"...people on the left will realize what a cock he is and he'll be gone..."

Why should that make any difference? Everyone here, right or left, realizes that about you, yet you're still here...

Goat and I got along on the science, and then he was a Sonar Tech. On a submarine everyone wants to know what's out there and so a lot of the STs become infatuated with themselves. I'm just saying I understand the guy.

It's the Holidays that bring to mind our families and loved ones. It's happiness and stress all mixed into one big bowl. In other forums people would have ignored it or joined the remembrance. I think Goat meeting with Unity gave a false impression of the long knifes that haunt this forum, and thought he open up.

Of course it can also be forgot that those who live by the sword shall also die by it as well.

I'm afraid we'll never be free of the toadies and b00bies who are simply antagonists, or the mind numbing trolls who simply repeat what they heard at last soundbite.

Yet we have many thoughtful people in this domain as this thread shows.

which is why people who have had near death experiences tend to be more compassionate than those who haven't.

Bani,

Have you had a near-death experience?

Stick around, hopefully after his 9 dump meltdown and competely crossing the line, people on the left will realize what a cock he is and he'll be gone...

Doubt it.

There are some dicks on the right as well. I don't engage them usually but I don't worship them either like the lefties here do with spud. It is completely disenguous because if they took their head out of his ass they would realize he is a hateful interolant jerk. He just makes a good attempt to mask it with his posting style. If you actually read his posts you would see his hate and interolance (something the left pretends to despise).

Now I may simply not have observed it, but frankly, I have never seen anyone on the left ever "worshipping" Spud. We just usually try to avoid devouring our own.

We just usually try to avoid devouring our own.

Nor ever challenge him either.

It's okay. You shouldn't bite off more than you can chew.

In an anonymous world, pretending to be a real person is just silly.

Why challenge him when, generally, we are on the same side of the issues? I leave that to the 'loyal opposition'.

Why challenge him

Don't. When you post like this then you wouldn't.


Problem is, given the logic of most rightwingers around here, it is not clear if they are ever sober.

Again, you shouldn't bite off more than you can chew Moder8.

When I compare what consistent jerks people like Sniper and Pinche and Rideon and Tadowe are, with Dethspud, I find there is no comparison

Have Sniper or Ride_on ever taken advantage of a posters dead spouse to try to "win" an argument like Spud did? Spud attacked a man's dead wife... but you would only give him 24 hours...

Moder8 indeed...

I'm not convinced Spud was in any way attacking his wife. I think he was attacking Goatman. Unfortunately, the weapon he was wielding was the deceased wife.

I think he was attacking Goatman. Unfortunately, the weapon he was wielding was the deceased wife.

Posted by moder8


You're right, that's much better... I agree, Rcade, brind back Spud.

brind back Spud

Or you could bring him back...

Mod,

24 hours?


He got 9 dumps, all of which were well-deserved given the tenor of Rcade's moderation.

He deserves the 14-day suspension.

Again, 0-15 on the Psychotic Scale and the turgid tuber scored a Niner.

Same thing with that dead blogger whose last wish was blatantly disregarded. Goat very much disagreed with that, and I seconded the motion.

How do you post a blog on someone in their honor and then state, Sorry pal...I got the podium...?

Macabre.

Maybe MethPud might be a better handle for him.

Moder8ion is a relative thing. Believe me, as a moder8 I know from experience. What is moderate for RCade is not so moder8 to me.

Believe me, as a moder8 I know from experience

I heard a saying once... Being powerful is like being a lady, if you have to tell people you are, you aren't.

The same goes for being a moderate...

Goatman,


Good luck. Sorry to see you go, but I understand that putting up with some of the idiots is very tiring around here.

Enjoy life, treasure your memories of Jenny and cherish your family.

Left or right, it was so wrong to bring someones dead spouse... into any argument.
I thought Goat and Buffy liked the sparring and insults. Sorry to hear it turned so mean.


Goatman...I second the decent things thatt many here have said ,and hope you come back.

Goatman gone and Chair returns!!!

Sorry Goatman, but I'll take the trade.

How they hanging man?

What a shock. RobA, JeffJ, Kerrin and Chairborne are all on the same side of the issue. LOL. I never realized how threatened all of you were by Spud. Still laughing out loud. Feel free to flame away.

I agree, Moder8, the posts from the trolls under the bridge are hilarious--if only for the demonstration of a complete lack of self-awareness.

Posted by 101Chairborne at 2008-01-14

You're baaaaack! Hooray! Yet nothing on the Nooner?

888888888
It is about human decency...not about left politics or right. Spud was out of bounds.
I am sometimes a little shocked by the language used by both sides (Rob-A...Frank...et al) Spud went too far.

It is a shame you can't see that or admit it.

Well damm, it is a shame all around. Both guys will be missed

Goat was one of the more reasonable people here. I realize that the intent of the statements was to be hurtful but I don't see why he'd take them to heart. If someone talks that kind of trash to your face that is one thing..... But people who look to capitalize on the personal tragedies of others through the internet are just the lowest form of human waste our society produces. Their comments say way more about them than they do anyone else. You should feel sorry for them.

What a shock. RobA, JeffJ, Kerrin and Chairborne are all on the same side of the issue. LOL

You post that crap after you ADMIT this....


Why challenge him when, generally, we are on the same side of the issues?

LOL

"I realize that the intent of the statements was to be hurtful but I don't see why he'd take them to heart."

I could see that to a certain extent. I've never been hurt by anything said on the internet, but at the same time, I've never had something said to me about a dead family member. I can't say for sure that if it happened I wouldn't at least be pissed off about it. I don't know that he left because he was hurt, but there's no reason to keep visiting a place where someone brings up your dead wife and rips on you about it. That's fucked up and probably not something anybody would go out of their way to encounter.

"I can't say for sure that if it happened I wouldn't at least be pissed off about it. I don't know that he left because he was hurt, but there's no reason to keep visiting a place where someone brings up your dead wife and rips on you about it. That's fucked up and probably not something anybody would go out of their way to encounter."

Yeah, that's true.

This is one case where someone might benefit from the site having an "ignore" feature.

CHAIR! Welcome back!

"If you see this, I know you're ex-navy, Goat, and as a retired old "shipmate" I wish you smooth sailing and favorable seas, hoping all the while you'll be back.

Posted by jestgettinalong at 2008-01-13 11:28 AM"

Jest - were you one of the two posters (Lou Dobbs being the other) who were accusing Sarge of not serving? If so, I'm surprised that a fellow service member would do that. So, were you, or am I mistaken?

"Moder8 indeed...

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2008-01-13 10:40 PM"

You need to save it, Rob. Even you must realize that you have no credibility on the subject of where to properly draw lines here.

Bring up the word "flame' and the Chairpoodle kicks the closet door open.

"Moder8 indeed...
Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2008-01-13 10:40 PM"

You need to save it, Rob. Even you must realize that you have no credibility on the subject of where to properly draw lines here.

Posted by mOntecOre


Monte - Rob proudly admits to being an asshole, but I have pointed out to Moder8 some instances where he demonstrated some very immoderate behavior.

Despite the fact that I like him, and that he usually was pretty reasonable with his comments, I don't think Goatman was particularly fair or courteous to BBob either.

MrFair, it may be true that I am not always as moderate as I perceive. But I do believe that I am almost always correct. And sometimes being correct trumps merely being a wishy washy pc moderate.
As for RobAhole, I have no problem with his style of getting in peoples faces. He does not seem to whine when people get back in his face. I just happen to think that he, and all rightwingers, tend to be wrong about almost everything.
As for Chairborne, he should never have been banned in the first place. He is the master of the humorous insult, even if it is often mean spirited. But that is no reason to ban a guy from a site like this. Again, if ya can't take the heat...
But what does particularly annoy me is how so many rightwingers on this site band together for protection like teenage schoolgirls walking the hallways. It makes me feel like gagging when I see them all mutually flagging one anothers posts as "newsworthy". Gimme a break. And they have the nerve to accuse lefties of being sheep...

"But people who look to capitalize on the personal tragedies of others through the internet are just the lowest form of human waste our society produces."

Posted by Sully at 2008-01-14 03:32 PM

As opposed to those who look to capitalize on their own personal tragedies?

Wasn't that the gripe against Cindy Sheehan?

Hans

"As for Chairborne, he should never have been banned in the first place. He is the master of the humorous insult, even if it is often mean spirited. But that is no reason to ban a guy from a site like this. Again, if ya can't take the heat..."

That wasn't the reason for the ban. It was because he created alternate handles to post humorous, mean-spirited spoofs of others while he was supposed to be sitting in the corner with a pointy hat on. That broke a rule, but it didn't deserve a ban either, imho.

Good point, Hans. I think I shall flag it "newsworthy."

"As opposed to those who look to capitalize on their own personal tragedies?"

Why should the two be opposed to each other?

It's time to change channels

I am so very confused here, things get a little dicey because a fight was picked and it didn't go your way so you take you ball an go home?!!!

I THOUGHT you had more perserverance, you blindly dismiss anything factual posted with links if you don't agree with it but yet can't manage to blindly ignore a few flames and scuds sent your way.

I suppose life is showing its head, Texans clearly show a lack of will when things get tough, just follow our current leader.

The race is not always to the swift, but to those who keep on running.

MrFair, it may be true that I am not always as moderate as I perceive. But I do believe that I am almost always correct.

LOL

Bring up the word "flame' and the Chairpoodle kicks the closet door open.

Okay, then let's get some action going...

FLAME

As the 95th post on here, and before the "goatman leaves" thread is finally retired into DR archives, I'd like to make one last request for GOATMAN to return. DR needs entertaining posters and Goat was one of them.

(Now I'll do a "FREE BBOB!" post over on the Nooner. *grin*)

Posted by jestgettinalong at 2008-01-13 11:28 AM"


It's "Fair Winds and Following Seas"

Murphy

"As opposed to those who look to capitalize on their own personal tragedies?"

I didn't see the original thread but I wouldn't think sharing a story on an internet forum is a way to "capitalize" on a personal tragedy.

"Capitalize" is probably the wrong word for the people who decided to throw it back into his face too. They are just shitty people.

As for Sheehan, I never had a problem with her so you'd have to ask someone else about it.

"Why should the two be opposed to each other?"

Posted by joe at 2008-01-14 07:40 PM

Exactly, Joe.

Hans

Some poster named himself "Gloatman" on here this morning and commented (now deleted) on someone named "T.O."-- who was he talking about? Who was "T.O."?

#100

"MrFair, it may be true that I am not always as moderate as I perceive. But I do believe that I am almost always correct. And sometimes being correct trumps merely being a wishy washy pc moderate..."
Posted by MODER8


I don't give a shit if you are correct 100% of the time. A look through your posts shows many of them do not reflect the musings of a moderate. Fact - go look at em.

If you think me calling you on this makes me a "wishy washy pc moderate" you're wrong. It just makes me a moderate.

"Who was "T.O."?"

Chris: Truthout?

Hans

Hans

Maybe. That's going back a ways for me but, sure, it's a possibility.

But what does particularly annoy me is how so many rightwingers on this site band together for protection like teenage schoolgirls walking the hallways. Gimme a break. And they have the nerve to accuse lefties of being sheep...

Posted by moder8 at 2008-01-14 07:02 PM | Reply


Now that's rich comming from the guy that typed the following in this very same thread...


I have never seen anyone on the left ever "worshipping" Spud. We just usually try to avoid devouring our own.

Posted by moder8 at 2008-01-13 09:39 PM | Reply | Flag


If you are defending him and avoid "devouring" him then you are in fact banding together with him. "Your own" account for about 90% of the posters here and you still feel the need to "band" together against the 10% and protect one of your own? And you wonder why the 10% think you're a sheep for rallying around a lefty on a lefty spoon fed talking point site?

Yikes.