Isn't this the same strong, brilliant, woman whose "35 years of experience" makes her ready to take on the "Republican attack machine" on "day one?"

Please.

Just go back to Arkansas.

"I just don't want to see us fall backwards"

WAWAWAWA...

You know, I just watched the clip that Lee linked and its probably the most human and sincere I've ever seen her. I still don't like her campaign tactics and absolutely do not think she is the right candidate, but I'll cut her some slack on the display of emotion.

Now if Rudy breaks down and sobs somewhere between 9 and 11 I won't be so forgiving. LOL!

I wonder if this tactic would work with her foreign affairs negotiations; if she were to become Prez ?
I can just see Putin crumbling, Amadinijadist swearing off nukes, and KimJongIllness handing her a hanky.
We won't do it anymore Hil...we promise...just don't cry.

Too damn funny, Spud!

"but I'll cut her some slack on the display of emotion. "

That is why she treated y'all to the performance.

Too damn funny, Spud!

~SAR

Ta, Show tunes + Xena + tight editing = Mucho Mirth!

^_^

Be Well.

You know, I just watched the clip that Lee linked and its probably the most human and sincere I've ever seen her. I still don't like her campaign tactics and absolutely do not think she is the right candidate, but I'll cut her some slack on the display of emotion.

Now if Rudy breaks down and sobs somewhere between 9 and 11 I won't be so forgiving. LOL!

Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2008-01-07 01:19 PM

I would agree if the emotion were displayed in connection with empathy for others. This kind of thing is touching when, say, a political leader is discussing some tragedy that has befallen some innocent person or group. However, she is sobbing only because she feels sorry for herself. She thinks she is entitled to the nomination and the presidency. Watching it slip away -- quickly -- is just too much for her ego.


Also,

This elections Edmund Muskie ....

Posted by Lee_Atwater at 2008-01-07 01:40 PM | Reply

Great comparison. Except, Muskie was (arguably) not just feeling sorry for himself.

Hillary on Matt Lauer this morning: "Obama has not done the SPADE work necessary to be President."



And where the hell did that come from?

Hillary on Matt Lauer this morning: "Obama has not done the SPADE work necessary to be President."

And where the hell did that come from?

Posted by kerrin57 at 2008-01-07 01:55 PM | Reply

You can't be serious.

This elections Edmund Muskie ....

C'mon, those were just "melting snowflakes" ^_^

Be Well.

You can't be serious


splain???

splain???


Posted by kerrin57 at 2008-01-07 01:58 PM | Reply

Do you have a link to the audio?

"Hillary on Matt Lauer this morning: "Obama has not done the SPADE work necessary to be President."

Just to be fair, she did follow that up by saying he was "well spoken and clean".

She comes across looking like a soccer mom whose kids team just got beat.

She comes across looking like a soccer mom whose kids team just got beat.

Posted by wisgod at 2008-01-07 02:09 PM | Reply

That's pretty good.

It really makes you eager to see her going toe-to-toe with Aquavelvajihad and Kim Jong Mentally Ill, doesn't it?

"Hillary on Matt Lauer this morning: "Obama has not done the SPADE work necessary to be President."

Just to be fair, she did follow that up by saying he was "well spoken and clean".

Posted by Bill_OReilly at 2008-01-07 02:06 PM | Reply


Give Hill a break. After all, she's having a bad hair day. And, it's not like she called him "Macaca" or anything.

It really makes you eager to see her going toe-to-toe with Aquavelvajihad and Kim Jong Mentally Ill, doesn't it?

Posted by anton

It's gotta be tough falling from grace as quickly as she has. That video will be all over the evening news, and IMO, isn't going to help her.

It's gotta be tough falling from grace as quickly as she has. That video will be all over the evening news, and IMO, isn't going to help her.

Posted by wisgod at 2008-01-07 02:15 PM | Reply

That video along with the one from Bill today in which he essential laments the fact that Hillary is an old, white, woman may be the death knell.

If so, good riddance. If not, I'll just keep enjoying the Clintons' self-destruction.

Well...I didn't think much of it as I am a gardener,and I use just such an instrument when I dig up a bed. But my friend ...who is black...and an avid Obama supported got a little incensed about it.
Made me wonder ...what would be made of this if one of the repubs used this phraseology?

Is "Spade work" that commom of a term? I've never heard it before. Helluva time to use it.

Is "Spade work" that commom of a term? I've never heard it before. Helluva time to use it.

Posted by wisgod at 2008-01-07 02:26 PM | Reply

WIS A garden spade...spade work would be digging....hard work if you have NC clay!

Folks, a "spade" is another name for a shovel. I'm guessing she was talking about "spade work" as meaning she thinks Obama hasn't done the work required to be President and she has.

Probably a poor choice of words since it opened her up to discussions like this one. But its a SHOVEL people - let's not get all worked up.

Well, it's no wonder the younger generation can't relate to her...

Probably a poor choice of words since it opened her up to discussions like this one. But its a SHOVEL people - let's not get all worked up.

Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2008-01-07 02:41 PM | Reply

Everone knows that.

"Spade" is also a racial epithet.

It was dumb for her to use it.

Do I think she's a racist?

No, but, regardless, similar things have killed the careers of others.

FF ...WIS

Speaking of funny....Where is the Corkette? Hil got her going door-to-door in NH freezing her tata's off?

Folks, a "spade" is another name for a shovel. I'm guessing she was talking about "spade work" as meaning she thinks Obama hasn't done the work required to be President and she has.
Total bullshit. Its a derogatory term used to degrade a black person. I don't know how she intended it when she used it, but many before her have been castrated for the same type of mistakes...

Watch the covering fire begin...

You mean that it is a girl type?

Seems like she has a set of 60lbs. balls to me.

Hil got her going door-to-door in NH freezing her tata's off?

Posted by kerrin57

Or sharing a room with Britney....

"Total bullshit. Its a derogatory term used to degrade a black person."

Then let Obama deal with it, if he feels her intent was racially motivated. I suspect he would laugh at your attempts to make this into something more, as would most Black people.

Then let Obama deal with it, if he feels her intent was racially motivated. I suspect he would laugh at your attempts to make this into something more, as would most Black people.

Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2008-01-07 03:05 PM | Reply

He doesn't have to. He's kicking her ass. That doesn't change the fact that the comment makes her look stupid.

She's having a bad day. Tomorrow is going to be worse. Crying will be more appropriate then.

Hillary: It's Tough Being A Girl

Hillary needs a new campaign song:


"I Enjoy Being A Girl"

I'm a girl, and by me that's only great!
I am proud that my silhouette is curvy,
That I walk with a sweet and girlish gait
With my hips kind of swivelly and swervy.

I adore being dressed in something frilly
When my date comes to get me at my place.
Out I go with my Joe or John or Billy,
Like a filly who is ready for the race!

When I have a brand new hairdo
With my eyelashes all up in curls,
I float as the clouds on air do,
I enjoy being a girl!

When men say I'm cute and funny
And my teeth aren't teeth, but pearls,
I just lap it up like honey
I enjoy being a girl!

I flip when a fellow sends me flowers,
I drool over dresses made of lace,
I talk on the telephone for hours
With a pound and a half of cream upon my face!

I'm strictly a female female
And my future I hope will be
In the home of a brave and free male
Who'll enjoy being a guy having a girl... like... me.

When men say I'm sweet as candy
As around in a dance we whirl,
It goes to my head like brandy,
I enjoy being a girl!

When someone with eyes that smoulder
Says he loves ev'ry silken curl
That falls on my iv'ry shoulder,
I enjoy being a girl!

When I hear the complimentary whistle
That greets my bikini by the sea,
I turn and I glower and I bristle,
But I happy to know the whistle's meant for me!

I'm strictly a female female
And my future I hope will be
In the home of a brave and free male
Who'll enjoy being a guy having a girl... like... me.

CC - you missed Spud's link back at 1:22 with a video of Zena, Warrior Princess and "I Enjoy Being a Girl". Check it out...

SanAntonio

Thanks! I'll watch it while I'm drinking my second cup of coffee.

SanAntonioRogue

LOL!

Genuine emotion? Right.

Hillary has a soft side like a Russian weight lifter. Come to think of it, if this were the Olympics I'd want a saliva test just to be sure this is an estrogen-based model...

A little saltwater and the "I may drop out" ploy may just rally her desperate hard core tomorrow.

"When I hear the complimentary whistle
That greets my bikini by the sea,
I turn and I glower and I bristle,
But I happy to know the whistle's meant for me!"

Posted by CalifChris at 2008-01-07 03:23 PM | Reply

I remember that video of Hillary in a bathing suit.

And, that was several years ago.

No further comment.

No further comment.

Posted by anton

Males everywhere thank you...

"Total bullshit. Its a derogatory term used to degrade a black person."

Maybe San can check this but I believe that the deragotory, racist term "spade" is a contraction of "black as the ace of spades" referring to the suit in the deck of cards.

"Spadework", on the other hand, is a fairly common term that describes the foundational work necessary before starting some, job, endeavor, project etc. The spade in "spadework' relates to the shovel-type implement that can be used to dig a real foundation for a building.

"Spadework", on the other hand, is a fairly common term that describes the foundational work necessary before starting some, job, endeavor, project etc. The spade in "spadework' relates to the shovel-type implement that can be used to dig a real foundation for a building.

Posted by Bowa at 2008-01-07 03:47 PM | Reply

I agree with you. But, let me ask you this:

If Trent Lott made a public statement to the effect that, "progress in the reconstruction of New Orleans has been hindered because Mayor Ray Nagin has not done enough SPADE WORK," do you think it would go unnoticed?

"Maybe San can check this..."

That's what I said earlier, Bowa. Its a freakin' SHOVEL so let's not get all bent outta shape. She didn't call him a "spade" (a la Allen's Macaca moment), she said he hadn't done the spadework.

No Hillary fan I, but this is as silly as the hysteria over the "niggardly" incident a while back.

"If Trent Lott made a public statement to the effect that, 'progress in the reconstruction of New Orleans has been hindered because Mayor Ray Nagin has not done enough SPADE WORK,' do you think it would go unnoticed?"

It certainly should.

Good Grief--If it's so tough Hill--get the hell out of the kitchen--ar ar ar!

And she gets mopey over herself--the self centerness, narcistic--AhhhGGG!

If she was crying over someone else--like the troops or anyone else--that is one thing.

No Iron Lady there folks--and her shrillness at the debate when she flashed the angry Hillary..

She is looking like toast--get ready to poke her with a fork--she's done in NH and by the looks of it in SC..

She is Not out--have to wait until after super duper Tuesday for those races to see if the nails are in the coffin. The amount of delgates is like 1678 --24 states ? (this number keeps changing--no one seems to know on cable--range 20-29--))

In fact--no one is out except Biden and Dodd. Dennis is plugging along--Ron Paul is plugging along--Duncan Hunter is plugging along.

Are we listing our humble predictions for NH or is that tomorrow?

Murphy

It certainly should.

Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2008-01-07 03:56 PM | Reply

Agreed.

But, that is not what I asked.

Anton,

Your attempts at fanning the flames and creating something out of nothing are both juvenile and Rovian. Grow up!

Obama '08

Murphy,

I'll throw out a prediction on tomorrow's NH primary:

Dems:
Obama 38%
Clinton 31%
Edwards 21%
Richardson 6%

Repubs:
McCain 32%
Romney 26%
Huckabee 15%
Guiliani 12%
Paul 11%
Thompson 4%

I think the bounce Obama received after Iowa will moderate somewhat and his margin will drop down below 10% but, still sizeable.

Repubs, by not establishing a clear-cut leader are playing right into Guiliani's strategy. I think McCain will establish himself though, before Feb. 5 to make Rudy regret his decision to focus on Super Tuesday.

Obama will be used to knock out Hillary and then Romney will win in 2008.
The fix is already in. Corporate America has spoken.

RASMUSSEN South Carolina: Obama 42% Clinton 30%...

CC, if Mitt doesn't win in N.H., I say he's toast.

Wisgod

CC, if Mitt doesn't win in N.H., I say he's toast.

Let's pray then Romeny doesn't win NH. Romney will be a continuation of a corporate-owned White House like we've had for the last 7 plus years. All the big corporate money has been flowing Romney's way during this campaign.

Anton,

Your attempts at fanning the flames and creating something out of nothing are both juvenile and Rovian. Grow up!

Obama '08

Posted by realpatriot at 2008-01-07 04:16 PM | Reply

I think it is something.

She misspeaks a lot -- kind of like our present idiot in chief.

That to me is a bigger issue than any issue of latent racism.

I'm planning on voting for Obama. It will be the first time I have voted in a Democratic primary since 1992.

Anton,I have to tell you also -- that I don't think anyone is going to play any race card against Obama --

First, If anything, the smearing unfounded accusations by mostly Lefties that the GOP candidates or Hillary will or have already played the race card against Obama, is the only playing of the "race card" that I see going on so far - playing on the worst fears and stereotypes.

Second, anyone who really is a racist doesn't need to be told that Obama is black. They decided long ago never to vote for Obama because of the color of his skin. Likewise, there will be some people who only vote for Obama because of his skin color. Sad to say, both these types of ignorant, intolerant hate filled people do still exist in our country.

third, the above left and right extremists aside, I really think the large majority of us in this nation have moved beyond race and can look beyond race to choose who we believe is the best candidate for President.

Third, there is no doubt in my mind that any attempt by any candidate to suggest that Obama isn't qualified because of the color of his skin would have it backfire on them so bad they would be pushed out of the race -- and rightly so. So the idea that Hillary used the term "spadework" to suggest to fellow democrats that they should judge Obama by his race is just preposterous.

Repubs, by not establishing a clear-cut leader are playing right into Guiliani's strategy.

Rudy's strategy is right. But the focus of his message is wrong -- he should be downplaying all the "War on Terror" stuff and instead hammering home his success at transforming an overtaxed and unsafe liberal NYC to the great betterment of small business and the middle class by cutting taxes, cutting crime, bringing back tourists and making it more biz friendly.

If Hillary said "spadework," it was calculated. Who says that? I'll bet she has never used that phrase before in her entire life. Even though it can mean essentially 'foundational work,' there are lots of other, more common ways to make that point without using the word spade. If she said that, it was calculated to send a message to people who would be reluctant to vote from someone based on their race, and therefore dispicable.

(For those righties bawling about what would happen to a Repub who used the phrase: nothing, if that Repub was not in a race against a black person (and rightly so - it is only offensive if in the context of trying to send a message to bigots), and something if otherwise. Get over your persecution complexes already.)

He is one cool spade, Hillary - thanks for pointing that out in your inimitable way.

Bill can't make you taller or younger or male.

And probably no more electable either.

Bowa said: "Rudy's strategy is right. "


Whenever I feel afraid
I hold my head erect
And whistle a happy tune
So no one will suspect
I'm afraid.

While shivering in my shoes
I strike a careless pose
And whistle a happy tune
And no one ever knows
I'm afraid.

The result of this deception
Is very strange to tell
For when I fool the people
I fear I fool myself as well!

I whistle a happy tune
And ev'ry single time
The happiness in the tune
Convinces me that I'm not afraid.

--from The King and I

it can mean essentially 'foundational work,' there are lots of other, more common ways to make that point without using the word spade.

Montecore, no one would ever accuse me of being a fan of Hillary's but "spadework" is already a fairly common phrase -- and neither "legwork" or "not done the heavy lifting necessary" is synonymous

If she said that, it was calculated to send a message to people who would be reluctant to vote from someone based on their race

What was the "message" that you believe she was sending?

Do you think that supposedly "reluctant" racists are all of a sudden going to look at Obama differently because she used the term "spadework"?

if that Repub was not in a race against a black person

Why do you believe that it is OK for someone's skin color to determine the vocabulary of another. the term "spadework" doesn't have any connection to racist slang except in your own mind. It sure seems that your perception of imagined racism could be construed in itself as racist.

Bowa said: "Rudy's strategy is right. "

I do think that his late term strategy is right given his moderate social positions -- when he put it together, he was never going to win Iowa, he was likely to lose to Romney in NH, and to Thompson in SC. Of course, he was supposed to be competitive in at least 1 out of 3. And up until 6 weeks ago, looked competitive in 2 of 3.

Now, Huckabee has replaced Thompson as the candidate of the religious right, Romney is struggling in NH, and McCain has surged taking a lot Rudy's votes in NH and SC.

Rudy's only chance is his firewall at Florida, but he needs to change his message -- he shares Mccain's views on the "War on Terror" so he needs to differentiate --he should be hammering him on McCain-Feingold, McCain-Kennedy, and the fact that Mccain voted agaisnt the Bush tax cuts. And as I said before, he should be hammering home his success at transforming an overtaxed and unsafe liberal NYC to the great betterment of small business and the middle class by cutting taxes, cutting crime, bringing back tourists and making it more biz friendly.

Much to my chagrin, I don't see him turning it around -- especially if Huckabee wins big in SC -- but unlike Hillary -- he's not out of it yet..but he's on "life support" fer sure.

The result of this deception
Is very strange to tell
For when I fool the people
I fear I fool myself as well!

Ha! Bowa is indeed "whistling in the dark"

A woman came up to me and said
"I'd like to poison your mind
With wrong ideas that appeal to you
Though I am not unkind."
She looked at me, I looked at something
Written across her scalp
And this is what it faintly said
As I tried to call for help:
CHORUS
There's only one thing
That I know how to do well
And I've often been told
that you only can do
What you know how to do well

And that's be you
Be what you're like
Be like yourself
And so I'm having a wonderful time
But I'd rather be whistling in the dark
There's only one thing that I like
And that is whistling in the dark
A man came up to me and said
"I'd like to change your mind
By hitting with a rock," he said,
"Though I am not unkind."
We laughed at his little joke
and then I merrily walked away
And hit my head on the wall of the jail
Where the two of us live todaay
CHORUS

especially if Huckabee wins big in SC

Neither Huck nor Romney will win NH.

McCain prolly will.

Huck will win SC.

Be Well.

"he should be hammering home his success at transforming an...unsafe liberal NYC "

As if "liberal" had anything to do with "unsafe".

Will Rudy be thanking Bill Clinton for putting more cops on the streets, or will Guiliani once again take credit for something he didn't do?

This is the kind of thing I'm talking about, Bowa:

press.princeton.edu

journals.cambridge.org

poq.oxfordjournals.org


I truly hope you are right, and I am wrong about Hillary's turn of phrase. Since it is such a common phrase, do you have examples of other politicans using it, particularly when they are running against a person of color?

Posted by mOntecOre at 2008-01-07 05:35 PM | Reply

Either she was cunningly using the term as "code language" or she is too careless (or stupid) to avoid use of the word "spade" in reference to an African-American opponent who just happens to be swamping her in the primaries.

In either case, it makes her look bad.

Since it is such a common phrase, do you have examples of other politicans using it, particularly when they are running against a person of color?

Montecore, I googled "spadework" and over 70,000 references came up, so the fact that it is a fairly common word is obvious. The fact that it has no connection to racist slang is also obvious -- if you can find a definition that connects "spadework" to the deragoatory word "spade" (a contraction of "black as the ace of spades"), please show it to me -- I haven't found it.

do you have examples of other politicans using it, particularly when they are running against a person of color?

Why don't you "call a spade a spade" (another non racist term) and say what you mean -- you want examples of other white politicians using the term "spadework" when they are running against a black candidate.

My answer is, given your comments and links already -- whether there is examples or not -- you will use it to say that "spadework" is a racist phrase.

If there are no examples, then Hillary's stands out and so she is racist -- and if there are other examples, then hillary's is just one in a line of white politicians using "spadework' in a racist way.

What I do know is that Hillary said the term "spadework" in the proper context and definition -- and any attempts to connect her comment to racist slang is a stretch to say the least.

It was all a sympathy play and she thinks she can get away with it because she is a woman. On the other hand, she says she is strong enough to be President. You can't have it both ways, Hillary.

Bowa, quit being such a macaca.

j/k

or she is too careless (or stupid) to avoid use of the word "spade" in reference to an African-American opponent

Of course maybe it could be that she is just not racist at all, doesn't think of Obama as an "African-American opponent" but only as an "opponent" and so she would think nothing of using the word "spadework", which has no racist connotations whatsoever.

It seems Anton, that ithere is more proof from this thread alone that you are making Obama's race more of an issue then Hillary is.

Jeez Tony,

Give her enough rope, she'll hang herself.

Is Bowa defending Hillary?

Just checking......

It seems Anton, that ithere is more proof from this thread alone that you are making Obama's race more of an issue then Hillary is.

Posted by Bowa at 2008-01-07 06:01 PM | Reply

His race matters. I'm not pretending it doesn't. I'm also not making any secrets of my views on the matter. I'm frankly glad we've come to the point in this country where there is a credible African-American candidate who may very well be elected president of the United States (as opposed to charlatans like Sharpton and Jackson).

Boy, she sure had a helluva Monday. Look for an encore during her N.H. concession speech....

Hillary: "If we were playing cards and not presidential candidates, I would be the Queen of Hearts, while Obama would be a Spade."

mOntecOre: "Wow. That seemed to be a racist message."

Bowa: "Of course maybe it could be that Hillary is just not racist at all, doesn't think of Obama as an "African-American opponent" but only as an "opponent" and so she would think nothing of using the word "Spade", which in the context of playing cards has no racist connotations whatsoever."

Boy, she sure had a helluva Monday.

I don't think she had a good day today.

FF for Roy's assailant!

So Hillary's implying that LBJ was more instrumental in the civil rights movement than MLK

Tony, No she's not. She's not dissing MLK. She's making a statement about how powerful the President is in being able to champion certain causes and values and that's why it is so important to choose a President that shares them with you. As an example,
She saying that it took a President to champion the cause and help turn the "movement" led by MLK into law, into the "civil rights act". There's no implication that I can see that she's lessening MLK's importance.

But you are a smart man, so if that's the way you took that comment, as a diss of MLK, then maybe that is why Hillary has such a big communication problem withe her fellow democrats.

10 to 1 she cries tomorrow night.

One moment she's angry, the next moment she's crying. I think she's Bi-Polar. She's Bi-alot of things.

Co'mon Bowa,

She called Obama a spade and denigrated MLK. All on the same day. She's finally flipping out. This might be her time of the month. We'll have that to worry about if she's elected. Don't forget that.

She has officially jumped the shark and its not a pretty sight.

Posted by tonyroma at 2008-01-07 05:57 PM


Laugh now brown cow. Obama's honeymoon is over. At some point the Media is going to have to make him answer tough questions. We have alreay seen his answer to drivers licenses and sanctuary cities. We also know he thinks Sunnis are reacting to the Dems winning the House as their reason for halting the violence in Iraq. Let the real games begin. BTW has he been on Fox News yet?

Are the same people claiming Hillary is done claiming that Huckabee is a lock for the GOP?

I like the fact that she is stumbling, but with so many more states left to decide, I can't write the Clintons off yet.

Are we ready to write off all other GOP candidates besides Huckabee?

Is Bowa defending Hillary?

I may not like Hillary, but I don't think she was racist on matt Lauer this morning using the term "spadework" -- she was using the term to knock Obama for what she believes is his lack of experience to be President, not to make some racist appeal to bigots.

Obviously, Tony Roma, Anton, Montecore and Rush Limbaugh disagree with me.

Are we ready to write off all other GOP candidates besides Huckabee?

Posted by Manypaths at 2008-01-07 06:23 PM

None of the so called candidates on the right will be there in Nov.08. Expect Cheney to step down and _______ will be the nominee. If the Hildabeast or the BO is nominated, look for Condi to step down and replace Cheney. Not sure who else can beat them other than Condi.

My best friend, who is 100% Sioux Indian, tells me has his own reservations about Hillary's comment. He says he would really like to TP her house!

You guys need to tap the brakes on the urge to dogpile Hillary! I am an Obama supporter. Partly because I feel Hillary represents a new face on an old trick (Bush/Clinton dynasty). However, we need to keep perspective on how much time and energy went in to Bill and Hillary building their reputation and goodwill toward the African-American community. She is not going to willfully make a racist comment and destroy that legacy.

She's an easy target and villified by most RW'ers but, she is not a racist and I don't believe for one minute that she had the slightest intention of slinging some sort of subtle, subliminal racist barb in the direction of Barack Obama.

Some of the Lefties on here have been really energized by Obama's candidacy but, you should maintain perspective about Hillary. She was not a racist a year ago when you may have looked forward to her running for president. She was not a racist a month ago when very few thought she could be defeated. And she is not a racist today on what has to be one of the lowest points in her life.

Laugh now brown cow.

Oops!

Wow....with all the vicious ripping into hillary here..I had to do a double take...for a moment I thought I was on freerepublic.com

Awwww, geee, Hill. We feel your pain. I mean, you were First Lady for 8 of the 35 years you were supposedly "getting experience." What a shame to have your head handed to you by an outsider---a naive idiot to be sure, but an outsider nonetheless.

I was sort of hoping you'd get elected to two terms so that Chelsea could come along some day and cite 16 years of experience as the First Kid. That would also entitle HER to our votes as well. I can see it all right now. A third generation of Clinton's in the White House---and Grandpa Bill still ruining the dresses of fat young interns.

Looks like the pestilence may be just about over. We can only hope.

And she is not a racist today on what has to be one of the lowest points in her life.

Posted by realpatriot at 2008-01-07 06:27 PM


But she may be the anti-christ.

Laugh now brown cow.

Oops!

Posted by JEFF_J at 2008-01-07 06:28 PM

No pun intended to Tony or Mr Obama.

The only reason that the Hilderbeast is crying is cause that 20million+ book advance that was a shoe in after her term as the first female president is now just a bobbing sail on the horizon disappearing into the sunset that is her campaign and she is waving bye bye to it while standing on the beach, like a fisherman's wife, white lace hanky in hand, dabbing at her eyes. Will she ever see it again? *sniff*

how can she be losing to a black man, when she's married to the first black president????

Spadework--what an odd word. I like words in general--I think Spud is a word guy too--more than me. And only 70k references in google--low number seems to indicate it's not used. But an odd choice all the same.

Her using the phrase she "has so many "opportunities" for the country" and then getting misty--there were no tears. That was some kind of moment--not sure of the name.

Her problem is that she is not the agent of change. She could have really used the fact that she is a woman and that would be a huge change from the guys club in Washington.

But then she would be dissing her husband--hence she can't say she could be better for a change as a woman. Bush Clinton Bush Clinton--won't work.

Murphy

BTW She's NOT done yet...just wait for super Tuesday!

She's an easy target and villified

I think the goodwill that was given to Bill, was only ever begrudgingly given to Hillary -- so it is not surprising that she would be abandoned so quickly by her party once another candidate came to the fore.

Maybe her Mom, Chelsea, and Madeline A. can give her a boost?

I was sort of hoping you'd get elected to two terms so that Chelsea could come along some day and cite 16 years of experience as the First Kid.

by MAKEITHAPPEN

FF dude! Priceless...


Murphy

Wait... You know she knows her way around a kitchen though.

Rush Limbaugh disagree with me.

Posted by Bowa

Quit trying to Warm up to me Bowa........

"FF for Roy's assailant!

Posted by Lee_Atwater at 2008-01-07 06:14 PM"

Thanks, Lee! (By the way, New Poll Question: should I change my handle to "Tatiana"? At least she proved she could finish the job she started...)

"My best friend, who is 100% Sioux Indian, tells me has his own reservations about Hillary's comment.

Posted by realpatriot at 2008-01-07 06:27 PM"

Sioux Indian? "Reservations"??? You're as bad as Hillary, you anti-Indian bigot! (Watch - next thing, Real Patriot will be defending himself, telling us that his best friend is an Indian.)

Humble Predictions---


Obama + 15 to 20 over (sorry Corky)
Clinton
Edwards
Richardson


McCain + 5
Romney
Huckaheehaw
Rudy
Paul

McCain could be higher but the independents appear more excited to vote for Obama.

Oh and Hillary will win Michigan. No one else is running there. Obama in SC..

Romney in MI and Thompson in SC..

Murphy

And only 70k references in google--low number seems to indicate it's not used. But an odd choice all the same.

Murphy, It maybe an odd choice because it is a bit arcane, the type of word that some brainiac like Bill Buckley would use, but not an inappropriate one -- or a racist one.

I think it would have been more common for her to say "Obama has not done the legwork necessary to be President" but that suggests a certain amount of laziness so it is not synonymous. And if she said that about Obama it would have opened her to even more criticism.

The bottom line is, that her attempt to make the case that Obama doesn't have the experience to be President and she does failed miserably on Matt lauer this morning.

As someone above said, this has been a bad day for Hillary.

Maybe it's just Little Rock mumbo jumbo.

"Tatiana"

I like it!

Well according to Tucker's guest--Ron Paul is about to be revealed.

A neo-confederist? Hmmm..He's been a racist for the last 20 years?? Paul has some paper he was a part of--before 1996. Ron Paul Freedom Paper or some such. Called black folks "animals". Told folks to go live in rural areas and buy a gun because the animals are coming???

Can we ckeck on this??

Murphy

Bowa...

Do I think either statement by Hillary was intended to be overtly racial? No, I don't, but when you combine it with what Bill has said about Barack, and the fact that many forecast that the Clintons would go racial in trying to reboot her candidacy, I also don't believe it was a simple double entendre that slipped her verbal filter.

Its eerily just like the vaunted Southern Strategy employed by Republicans since Reagan. Using language that can be argued as just simple english, when infact its an open code to those with racist tendencies to say, "I'm with ya, even though I can't come out and say it," has been the bain of Democrats for over a generation. You have to know what I'm talking about and no one who considers himself the "first black President" should ever make derogatory remarks about the most accomplished black man to ever run for the office. Its common sense, not brain surgery. The Democrats need blacks to be in their coalition. Trying to reframe history, (If not for the marches and mobilization with its attendant reaction by the racist southern governments, there would have been no public outcry for civil rights legislation to pass) when the facts are patriots dying in their attempts to register blacks to vote and actually do it at the southern polls was the reason America galvanized around the historic legislation, not LBJ. He was just the political force to finally get it done. Many people died before the Civil Rights Act became law, and thousands of miles were marched by King and others so that LBJ was able to help pass it. Thats the facts, not what Hillary is trying to imply. If not for King and the Movement there would have been no legislation in the first place. She knows better.

The fact gthat you're quoting limbaugh as some intelligent sourc eof information says it all.

Hillary was dumb to say what she did, but I sincerely doubt if she is racist.

Neither was the guy that used the word "niggardly" which is not racial at all.

Don't count Hillary out yet -- she's using a weapon formidable to men since the beginning of time -- a woman's tears.

You know, we all have different kinds of personalities. Some of us are more outgoing, and some of us are more sedate about our emotions.

I have no doubt Sen. Clinton loves this country very much and cares about it as passionately as Obama, and will work with whoever the next president is a s patriot American, but fighting for the middle class.

But, as one pundit put it a week ago or so, the Hillary who attended Wellesley College would have been an Obama voter.

MONTE

I dont' blame her. If I were locked in a small enclosure I'd be inclined to want to get out too. Especially if someone were taunting me.

Who can blame her for doing what she did. Sad loss.

I am actually enjoying this presidential race.

Obama has been truly shining which surprised the hell out me. Rudy and Hillary have been bombing.

And Foxnews looked really classless not letting ron paul into the debates while they pretend only THEY and not the dems care about the troops. meanwhile, Paul has gotten the most money from the troops of all the candidates.

Sorry to see biden go, though.

She cries and now she is impressive? Oh gawd there is no hope.

Obama, a few short weeks ago 20+ points behind Clinton nationally, has just pulled even in the new Gallup Poll.

Oh, and one other boner from Camp Clinton today...it's hard think this whole day wasn't planned in advance.


In the middle of a town hall meeting for Hillary Clinton's campaign in Henniker, the former president interrupted his remarks to answer a cell phone call from his wife.

"Is that me?" Clinton asked the crowd, amid laughter, as he tried to answer the call. "Only Hillary has my number. It couldn't have been anybody else."

After he missed the first call, the phone immediately began ringing again. Clinton answered it again.

"I'm at your meeting here," the former president said. "I'll them that. OK -- I love you!"

He then went on with his remarks.

And she is not a racist today...

Most sociopaths do not discriminate.

Everyone is fair game.

"I dont' blame her. If I were locked in a small enclosure I'd be inclined to want to get out too. Especially if someone were taunting me.

Who can blame her for doing what she did. Sad loss.

Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2008-01-07 07:04 PM"

I agree. I also think that the "victims" were harassing her, and that she was simply doing what tigers do. Why else would she have passed up other zoo visitors to specifically track down and maul the dead guy's buddies?

you folks are kidding yourselves if you don't think hillary said that on purpose. she's getting desperate and resorted to an attempt to seperate herself over racial lines. come one.

Using language that can be argued as just simple english, when infact its an open code to those with racist tendenciesT

Tony, we have very different political views, different experiences -- I grew up in an almost entirely black middle-class neighborhood in the northeast, the area then became very integrated and still is -- black, white, hispanic, west indian, filipino, you name it. I have always had people of all races and cultures in my life it wasn't something I really thought about, so the idea that a candidate in either party would use code words and racial innuendo to appeal to this huge population of racists in 2007, 40+ years after the Civil rights Act, seems extremely difficult for me to believe. I just don't see "spadework" as being this Clinton attempt at some racist "southern strategy". But if that's the way it lands on you, then what's to argue...you see it differently.

Frankly Obama has always been a far more compelling candidate regardless of what the color of his skin is-- then either Hillary or Edwards. I mean, for how many months have I been saying that Obama would be the most difficult candidate for the GOP to beat this time around?

So Hillary's implying that LBJ was more instrumental in the civil rights movement than MLK


My reaction was that she's implying it took a White President to do what Dr. King couldn't do.

It is a racist attack on Obama, plain and simple.

This sounds to me like Obama is picking up anti-establishment voters like Ron Paul. Hillary would not be strong in NH and Iowa. This woman has spent a lot of time fund raising for candidates in the heavily populated states. I don't see Obama doing well in those states. I don't know of one case where an upstart candidate made it through to the presidency.

so the idea that a candidate in either party would use code words and racial innuendo

LMAO. Bush did exactly that to motivate the evangelicals.

When you can't just slug your opponent because they're a man and you're a woman -- use tears.
In a fight, tears can be tougher than a fist .

I mean, for how many months have I been saying that Obama would be the most difficult candidate for the GOP to beat this time around?

Not to toot my own horn, but I predicted Obama would be the Dem nominee when he was 20 points down. And not because I like him, but because his appeal to such a wide swath of America would be unbeatable once the rest of people heard him speak.

All of my Republican friends like him, and most are planning on voting for him.

His youth, vigor, brilliance, and principles learned in real life situations make the others look like Mount Rushmore aged, old school all the way.

BTW, McCain may win the nomination, but it could be Huckabee as the freshest and likeable Republican who may appeal to the base of the GOP. Obama will draw most of the independents this election cycle - except among the redneck constituency.

If not for King and the Movement there would have been no legislation in the first place. She knows better.

I don't understand why anybody thinks she knows anything. We have elected plenty of people who have shown to know nothing. I don't think she is any different.

I don't make predictions normally but I believe we will see in the coming months that Hillary doesn't know the difference between shit and apple butter.

This is the kind of revisionist history I expect from the most extreme white supremacist kooks.

Tony, it is very interesting that we could see the quote you posted that Hillary made about LBJ and MLK so differently.

Where I saw it as an attempt by her to stress the importance of having a strong action oriented President to champion one's views (and by extension, she's that next President), you saw it as an attempt by her to give the white man (LBJ) credit for MLK's successes.

I find it hard to believe that was Hillary's intent in her comment. But I do believe that she has always been patronizing and condescending to the black community -- the fact that she would change her entire speech cadence when talking to a black audience showed that.

EBERLY

Nothing is worse than W's not knowing the difference between Shiite and Sunni in Iraq - even as the bombs started falling.

Or not knowing whether our closest allies had presidents or prime ministers or their names a week before the 2000 election.

Now THERE's some real ignorance.

One moment she's angry, the next moment she's crying. I think she's Bi-Polar. She's Bi-alot of things.

Posted by Lee_Atwater at 2008-01-07 06:16 PM | Reply

My wife made the same comment tonight.

AU,

Agreed.

It shouldn't be hard to see through to the reality of this. She's in her morning meeting. The campaign managers and all her handlers are there.. They look at eachother and say, Hmm... how can we turn this around? Well, she IS the only woman running.. Let's show her vulnerable feminine side, it will help us connect with the female voters, which at this point is our best bet to try and come back from our current position.

All of my Republican friends like him,

Why does that surprise you AU?

Obama is a likeable guy. Especially when compared to Hillary.

Contrary to popular belief here, we Republicans don't automatically hate every democrat just because they are democrats.

We are all Americans you know... unfortunately a lot of people on both sides of the aisle forget that.

how can we turn this around? Well, she IS the only woman running.. Let's show her vulnerable feminine side, it will help us connect with the female voters, which at this point is our best bet to try and come back from our current position.

what bull shit, this by any handler would be mistake.

Even Hillary in the future will distance herself from the emotion appearance she has shown here, and I am sure she is kicking herself in the head for letting such an appearance be seen.

The problem here is she has convoluted her politics with wrong or right and has let her emotions run with such misguided concept.

"Contrary to popular belief here, we Republicans don't automatically hate every democrat just because they are democrats."

Posted by Bowa at 2008-01-07 08:09 PM

Perhaps it is bowa who has some explaining to do.

His reputation precede hims. He's as transparent as a toilet seat in an outhouse.

"I don't see Obama doing well in those states. I don't know of one case where an upstart candidate made it through to the presidency."

Poor Ray. All this time he's been saying "the fix is in", "Hillary will be the nominee", bla bla bla.

Now that his paranoid vision is crumbling, will he eat crow?

Not a chance. He'll just find some excuse why his predictions were worthless.

Next time anyone needs proof that bowa is incredibly dishonest (aka: a liar), or that he is simply a hypocrite, please feel free to refer to this perfect demonstration of his disingenous nature.

LOL

Oh Hans you and your cherry-picking ways. That is why I almost never respond to you anymore. You pick apart entire threads and conversations playing "gotcha" -- ignore any and all of those comments that would not support your accusation, or just toss some in and call someone a liar and a hypocrite because when put next to each other they appear contradictory -- and why wouldn't they -- they lack the context of conversation, the nuancy of the events happening at that time.

So yours is a painfully disingenuous way to argue. And a kind of sick and twisted one too -- I feel sorry for your family and friends who must likely suffer you throwing decades of stuff back in their face -- but you are who you are. And your obsessive cataloging of past comments by those you politically disagree with is somewhat pathological to say the least. Either that, or you have staff of 10 people to help you.

Let me break my take on Obama down for you. Not that it will stop you from incessantly posting the same thing over and over again on mumerous threads and calling me a 'racist", "liar" or "hypocrite" or whatever other name you think will get a rise out of me.

So here goes.

I do not think that Obama is the perfect candidate or perfect person -- imagine that. In fact, as I have argued -- I think the church that Obama belongs to is racist and segregationist and he has a lot of explaining to do. For someone to profess healing and unity for all of America there is a big disconnect between that and the segregationist dogma of the church he belongs to. It is very disturbing that he belongs to a congregation that links their faith to a dogmatic commitment to Africa. As I have explained many times. I would expect that Obama will be asked about this in the general election -- it will be interesting to here is response.

I also have serious doubts about Obama in other ways -- he is far too liberal, has no executive experience, and I just don't trust where he seems to want to take this nation. he mostly speaks in platitudes instead of specifics, so that for the most part is unknown. "Where's the "beef' sure applies to Obama.

That said, for as much as I disagree with him --it is true, "I was filled with pride and joy as an American, over the historic magnitude of Obama's achievement -- as he said, only in America can someone with a father from Kenya, and mother from Kansas reach such heights." I don't see any contradiction, regardless of whether you disagree with him, or think he would make the best President....how can anyone not believe that his achievement was historic, nor could it happen anywhere but here?

Nor does my disagreement with him take away from the fact that he is a very likeable and compelling canadidate.

But people here are going to believe what they want to believe about me Hans-- as you are -- and there is nothing I can do to change that.

Well--if there was no Obama--Hillary would be the winner. She would be ahead of Edwards in every state.

Obama has struck something with tons of people--and white people for that matter. So his race is not seen as some kind of obstacle in Iowa--which is about as white as your can get. And the independents are flocking to him.

Maybe Obama can get the nomination. It's still early and I would not ever anticipate Hillary getting out early. She will go to the very end. She has the money and the machine.

There is still lots of campaigning to do --with lots of races.

Are the conventions in the late summer?

Murphy

Bowa, between his vindictive attitude towards you, and never ending calculator barbs towards Vern, I wouldn't lose any sleep.

She's really the only candidate that has a chance at beating the elephants come November, so people better take good care of her.

Hey Bowa,

Next time just give us the Reader's Digest version. People aren't going to read your novel length posts.

Next time just give us the Reader's Digest version. People aren't going to read your novel length posts.

Bill, the readers digest version is this -- it is unfortunate that some people believe that if you don't hate or love a candidate 100%, then you are hypocrite and liar. The world and people are just not so black and white.

It just get's old, Hans.

"It just get's old, Hans."

Yes it does, wis.

Hans

Obama has struck a nerve with the Americam people. A big fat white woman says she will vote for him. Young people who have lost any faith in the system (and who can blame them?) will vote for him. He is the hope, the most optimistic choice we have available to us. "Independents" will make him the winner in New Hampshire, and in the country. They are "bothered" by his being "black" but then they see and know that he is "half black" and "half white" and that makes him cool to both blacks (who were initially suspicious) and whites.

This guy is our future, America. Go for it!!!

And go for it with LOVE.

This guy is our future, America. Go for it!!!

And go for it with LOVE.

Posted by sitdown and shut up.....

Why does Hillary think she is best prepared to be President and Commander in Chief? Prepared in what way? Pillow talk?

Why does Hillary think she is best prepared to be President and Commander in Chief? Prepared in what way? Pillow talk?

How unthoughtful and unthinking can you be.

We all clearly get to see the emotional aspect of Hillarys' response but what remains is the actual question asked to insight such an emotional response.

The media is being extremely unfair to her here, I wonder why that is?

check nooner, mw.

The actual question asked had to do with who does her hair every morning. Do they ask the other candidates such questions?

"As a woman I know it's hard to get out of the house and get ready," asked Marianne Pernold, a local freelance photographer. "Who does your hair?"

Clinton began by talking about her hair -- she has some help -- but moved to talk more generally about the campaign.

"As a woman I know it's hard to get out of the house and get ready," asked Marianne Pernold, a local freelance photographer. "Who does your hair?"

Clinton began by talking about her hair -- she has some help -- but moved to talk more generally about the campaign.

Bull shit, I don't believe that. There was a question being asked which questioned her desire or work ethic and pashion which is not being included in the script. It is bull shit.

I hope you know I am not any where close to being a Hillary supporter but will call bull shit when I see it.

Bull shit, I don't believe that. There was a question being asked which questioned her desire or work ethic and pashion which is not being included in the script. It is bull shit.

Trust me, it was not the subject matter (habout her hairdo, work ethic whatever) of any particular question that made her cry. It was a cumulation of all the stress and strain of the last few months of tough campaigning, the non-stop picking her apart, and probably fatigue. Women just cry easier, that's all.

And, no, I never considered voting for Hillary.

habout = about

It's her party she can cry if she wants to.

Pretty soon it will be Giuliani's turn to cry.


Cheers

Don't count Hillary out--

Obama has a thing going--and the Repub candidate--any one of them will have a field day when it comes down to him answering quesitons with specifics.

He hasn't given any specifics about anything--he is great on oratory and platitudes and "I'm on your wave" talk. That only goes so far and he's sooooo liberal--the mob is fickle and will catch on--but it may be too late for Hillary as he will be the candidate and there will nothing the Dems can do about it.

But when it comes to brass tacks--he is sorely lacking.

The only Dem who has experience to do anything is Richardson--he just has a speech problem and can't relate to the folks. At least Kukucinich ran a city--it went bankrupt--but he ran it.

And Dennis--I'll give him credit--he is consistent--he hates the war --voted no and votes no for funding every time. He hates the Patriot Act and votes no --
He hates Cheney and puts out a bill to impeach him.

Murphy

I wouldn't say that Obama has no substance. With Hillary everything is a mandate. She will socialize the country with the blessing of the banks and corporations and drive us deeper into the hole. There may be balloons and confetti but when the party is over we won't be any further along, and we will have lost at least 4 years in which we might have had real reform.

Obama has the "build it and they come" health care plan, and a restriction on trading on a government position to gain employment in the private sector. Plus I think a new face that doesn't represent the status quo may open a lot of doors among our allies and even our enemies. It's a start.

I did watch Hillary's moment but I saw no tears.

I want the tears.

Those were fatigue and the moment crocidile tears.

What are her "opportunities" for the country?

Socialism.

Obama is worse. Wait until they bring up his voting record in Illinois--all liberal--beyond Kerry Edwards and Hillary probably..closer maybe..

More gov't and more spending and bigger spending--the Repubs don't know how to spend like the Dems--the Dems had 40 years of hard work doing it.

And they will all blame it on Bush!

Murphy

"the Repubs don't know how to spend like the Dems"

You're joking, right? You surely don't believe that bullshit.

Republicans have set all the records for spending in all of recorded history. They hold the gold, the silver, and the bronze. What more proof do you need?

--the Repubs don't know how to spend like the Dems--

Until W came along Reagan had the record for national debt. Startng at 1 trillion and going to three trillion for Reagan.
Bush II started with a surplus of 86 billion and now we have a debt of 8.98 billion.

Both outspent everyone else in American history. Both were republicans. Deal with it.

Some numbers here:

By Jan. 20, 2009, our back-of-the-envelope calculations project that Mr. Bush will have increased the national debt by $4.13 trillion (nearly 75 percent) in eight years.


Nice voting there, conservatives. Please spare us all the "democrats can really spend" crap. They're pikers compared to the 'fiscal conservatives'.

Alex,


In addition to tax cuts, Reagan's initial budget called for massive cuts to all sorts of social program spending. The Democrats wouldn't stand for the spending cuts so the 2 comprimised - tax cuts and maintaining social spending.


OTOH, Bush has no excuse. His reckless spending has infuriated much of his base.

Danforth- A common argument is that bush is simply "too liberal" See, it couldn't be that he lied about being a conservative fiscally, or that this is what the current rpeublican party is, ho no...

Everything bad is just labeled as "liberal". Must be nice to live in such a simple world.

"His reckless spending has infuriated much of his base."

Enough to do...what, exactly?

Jeff j- yes, reagan cut govt programs, and still managed to increase the national debt to record levels.
Cuz the fucker knew how to throw good money after bad...mostly into defense projects that were known failures at the time. He shrunk the govt, but fattened the wallet of military contractors while sticking it to the average american.

Now along comes bush who has taken reagans "trickle down" policies to an even larger extreme while simultaneously expanding govt size(DHS) and power(patriot act), PLUS he's pissing away our money in iraq.

And jeff...you voted for this douchebag twice. By 2004 it was obvious that Bush was going to outspend Kerry 2 to 1 as president. Kerry couldn't have spent more if he set fire to the treasury. There's no excuse for what you did either...

"A common argument is that bush is simply "too liberal" "

He's also a lousy businessman, if he can't get for 40 million people what 40 can get: a volume discount on prescription drugs.

Oh, wait...Arbusto, Spectrum 7, Harken, the Texas Rangers...he IS a lousy businessman!

Believe it or not Dan, Murphy is a registered Democrat. When she posted that I got lost trying to reconcile it with some of the things she's said before. She does seem to know the party dynamics on both sides of the aisle.


But now I wonder if there's any money left to spend. Ron Paul is right about cutting spending, yet he's made allowances for a transition. He's also the only one who has raised the issue of currency inflation which he pegs at 10% this past year, and yet the COLA is something like 2%.

McCain talks about cuts but wants to perpetuate the Empire so the slash would be on domestic programs.

None of them (except Paul) talks about pulling troops out of Germany and Japan, 65,000 and 50,000 respectively. Until that happens we'll keep sending money overseas, and we can't really afford to do that anymore.

Enough to do...what, exactly?

Posted by Danforth at 2008-01-08 12:43 AM | Reply | Flag:

Type some stern words on the internet and then vote for a republican again. You know, cuz the dems somehow 'could have been worse' than the worst president since Buchanan or Hoover.

By 2004 it was obvious that Bush was going to outspend Kerry 2 to 1 as president. Kerry couldn't have spent more if he set fire to the treasury. There's no excuse for what you did either...


Bullshit.


If Kerry had his way we'd have socialized medicine.

Can you even comprehend how much tax revenue is required for such an undertaking?


Also, where in the hell was Kerry going to cut spending? Defense?

Honestly, I've had some terrible presidents in my lifetime:

Carter, reagan, HW Bush, Clinton.

But W takes the taco. Then charges us $30,000 a piece for it.

Gotta run.

Also, where in the hell was Kerry going to cut spending? Defense?

Posted by JeffJ at 2008-01-08 12:50 AM | Reply | Flag:


Why not? Do you have any idea how much we WASTE on projects that we know don't even work?

And kerry was going to eliminate bush tax cuts to the rich. That'll free up some change. Why are you guys so afraid of 'socialized' medicine? You're already paying through the asshole for the care you got now, and 'crappy' france has it better.

"(Murphy) does seem to know the party dynamics on both sides of the aisle."

Not when she suggests Dems outspend Republicans. How can a regular visitor---hell, any American---think that?

EVERYTHING is personal for the prez hopefuls! Not a single one amongst the group is truly doing it to better the nation. They run for their egos. I'll vote Republican before I vote for any Dem, but Obama is probably the least corrupt because he hasn't been around as long as the others.

I would have thought that crying was sincere if what she was saying wasn't totally hypocritical.

She wants to change our direction? She's supported the direction of the current administration from Day 1. To pretend otherwise is ludicrous.

People do want a change in direction Hillary, that is why you are losing.

In a news conference Deanna Favre announced she will be the starting QB for the Packers this coming Sunday.



Deanna asserts that she is qualified to be starting QB because she has spent the past 16 years married to Brett while he played QB for the Packers. During this period of time she becamefamiliar with the definition of a corner blitz, and is now completely comfortable with other terminology of the Packers offense. A survey of Packers fans shows that
50% of those polled supported the move.

Does this sounds idiotic and unbelievable to you?

Well, Hillary Clinton makes the same claims as to why she is qualified to be President and 50% of democrats polled agreed. She has never run a City, County, or State.

When told Hillary Clinton has experience because she has 8 years in the white house, Dick Morris stated
"so has the pastry chef".


She just needs to worry about where her husband is and making sure he is not hammering some new intern.. lol

She just needs to worry about where her husband is and making sure he is not hammering some new intern.. lol


Posted by kc101 at 2008-01-08 02:43 PM

Why do you think she is running? So she can keep him clamped down. Does anyone really think Clinton wants to stop speaking tours, world travel etc. He is the most popular man in the world and you know he is still cheating on the Hildabeast. Why would he want to go back to the WH? He has already sabotaged her campaign. Now he is bringing the scum hacks Carville and Begala. The sleaze team is now complete with Wolfenson leading the pariah.

"Deanna asserts that she is qualified to be starting QB because she has spent the past 16 years married to Brett while he played QB for the Packers."

Oh, such a brilliant comparison.

Oh, such a brilliant comparison.

Posted by danni

Yeah, it was poor. Deanna didn't act like a crybaby when she faced Cancer.

"Oh, such a brilliant comparison"

Yes.. it is.. at least thats about all she is qualified to do, Iron his shirts.. I wonder if DANNI can iron shirts? .. lol

While channel surfing the other night I stopped for a moment on a Hannity monologue where he mentioned the "Stop Hillary" movement.... Kee Rist Ona Crutch... now I'm agreeing with that ass !

At our senior center I was listening to a Limbaugh type that was making snides about Hillary... and I was thinking this guy will have to come up with fresh dirt if Obama prevails.

I can't resist commenting on the "Spade" remark. I think y'all need to wait a 'cotton picking minute' and mull this thing over and call a spade a spade. I recall the Hildebeast also 'knowin' what it's like bak there on the plantation in one of her speeches on Capitol Hill.

Now, admittedly, I take a twisted bit of pleasure in listening to people's speech to hear the old phrases that where used in the Old South...and it is funny how people (mostly those that should find it offensive) let it slip by. I don't know, but I'll bet there is 'something in the wood pile' on this one.

Now - if a spade is a shovel, then Macaca is merely a monkey, negro is the Spanish word for black, and 'working like a slave (or an n-----)' would imply the person is a good, hard worker. (Wonder why she didn't just use that expression) In the alternative, maybe Hildebeast owes someone an apology...unless she meant it...in which case, she is just implementing her 'southern strategy'.

Speaking of the Hildebeast, anyone even a little suspicious how two men with a BIG OLE SIGN made it past HER security and into the crowd? Notice how she has now aligned anyone who opposes her with those two plants that wanted her to "iron their shirt"? Now anyone who criticizes is a suspect woman hater and you have to start out on the defensive by saying "I am not a sexist but...." Damned clever, I think!

ah yes.......and hillary plays the gender card and lets fly with the girlygirl nonsense..

I guess she can get to putin and ack.ma.did.ejon with that little teary face........

THIS will come back to hurt her.......ask muskie, was it?

THERES NO CRYING IN BASEBALL,I MEAN POLITICS!!!!!!

Both those pieces of white trash are in uncontrolled melt down .
bill and hill , just a word , bill you sucked as president , the major accomplishments in your 2 terms were due to Republicans who carried the ball , while you spurt your's all over monica .
hill , America does'nt owe you a fucking thing , you have not done anything for Americans , especially in the last 35 years .
You are not entitled to be president , it takes an American like Ronaldus Magnus Reaganus , someone who brings ALL Americans together , not divide them like you and that worthless piece of shit your married to did for 8 years , divide and conquer , the clinton battle cry , play one against the other .You both are human garbage , debris of the 60s , time to throw you in the scrap heap where you both belong , or you both can slither back under your rock .

I saw the video and would tend to agree with SANANTONIO: this is the most human I have ever seen Sen Clinton behave - except of course for the occasional truly scary icy stare that sneaks out. Honestly, though, she seemed a little out of it - maybe a little high or drugged, which could also explain the sweaty eyeballs.

it's not about YOU, hitlery. it's about u.s.

yomelib - I AM part of the stop hillary people.

THERES NO CRYING IN BASEBALL,I MEAN POLITICS!!!!!!
Posted by bushlovertwo


"HAVE YOU NO FEELINGS, SIR!? (sobbing)"
Signed,
Edmund Muskie

HAVE YOU NO FEELINGS, SIR!? (sobbing)"
Signed,
Edmund Muskie

Posted by MrFair
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Ever watch Senator John Boehner (R) give a speech? You almost want to grab a towel it's so pathetic. Well anyway I'm getting off topic. That "stunt" that Hillary pulled apparantly worked as she trumped ever poll, pollster and pundit. How? I don't know but I think it is short lived.

Earlier Hillary managed to get emotional and squeezed a few tears out, showing her non-plastic side, and look what she got: A BIG WIN.

Smells kinda muskie to me.

The guy most responsible fer the rise in jihadism in the ME next to Osama Bin Laden himself is going to Israel to see how he can fuck up the peace process even further?


Man, that couldn't be more true. Hey, the political campaign trail for president is far short of a picnic, and can bring every emotion in the book to the forefront of a candidate. But Spud is right, she's crying for herself, that's called self pity, folks. See it, recognize it, and don't do it.

Well, that got all screwed up somehow. I didn't paste the first sentence but I did wrote the second paragraph.