OK, now THIS scares the (and you'll forgive the expression) bejesus out of me.

"Is Huckabee an Extremist?"

Sssssh! Don't tell anybody until after he gets the nomination.

No, he's a Southern Baptist preacher.

Wow. I wonder how many times the Cato Institute has been cited on the TruthWinsOut website.

Is the pope catholic??

"Christians have an obligation, a mandate, a commission, a holy responsibility to reclaim the land for Jesus Christ - to have dominion in the civil structures, just as in every other aspect of life and godliness. But it is dominion that we are after. Not just a voice. It is dominion we are after. Not just influence. It is dominion we are after. Not just equal time. It is dominion we are after. World conquest. That's what Christ has commissioned us to accomplish."

We'll just go ahead and put you down as a "Hell Yeah!" vote then, RiR.

"reclaim the land"

"reconquista"

"lebensraum"

Nothwithstanding the general progress made within the two last centuries in favour of this branch of liberty, & the full establishment of it, in some parts of our Country, there remains in others a strong bias towards the old error, that without some sort of alliance or coalition between Gov' & Religion neither can be duly supported: Such indeed is the tendency to such a coalition, and such its corrupting influence on both the parties, that the danger cannot be too carefully guarded agst.. And in a Gov' of opinion, like ours, the only effectual guard must be found in the soundness and stability of the general opinion on the subject. Every new & successful example therefore of a perfect separation between ecclesiastical and civil matters, is of importance. And I have no doubt that every new example, will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Gov will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together; [James Madison, Letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822, The Writings of James Madison, Gaillard Hunt]

Huckabee isn't an extremist. He's a liberal on all but two issues - abortion and gay marriage. Just look at how he governed Arkansas. Lefties should be excited.

"reclaim the land"

"reconquista"

"lebensraum"

Posted by Zatoich

And we'd better warn Spud to be on the lookout for "anschluss" as well.

Huckabee isn't an extremist.

But he's extremely dissapointing.

Sincerely, Non-bible thumping Republicans.

Sincerely, Non-bible thumping Republicans.

Posted by wisgod


I do understand your pain Wisdog, but you know you can't win an election without them.

NOW what are you going to do?

I'm not attacking the source at all, SanAntonio, so relax awhile, eh? It's Friday.

I'm a big fan of the Cato Institute, and thought it unlikely they would appear on a website self-described as "a non-profit organization that counters right wing propaganda, exposes the "ex-gay" myth and educates America about gay life."

Must be they were going after a Republican. Oh, it's Huckabee. That's fine. I see Huck as another Jimmy Carter. And you can imagine how enthused I am about his candidacy.

"anschluss"

"au gratin"

BTW My mother-in-law was an Austrian at the time.

I'm a big fan of the Cato Institute

~RiR.

Really? Cos Spud thinks they suck donkey dick just cos they like the taste.

Now ask Spud wot he thinks about the ass-wipes over at the American Enterprise Institute.

Go ahead. Just ask Spud! ...or Deth, whichever.

* evil looking grin *

Be Well.

On Topic?

Is Mike Huckabee an extremist?

Uh... Hullooooo!!

Why do you think the evDEVILical crowd have their headZ shoved so far up his ass?

Sheesh!

Be Well.

I do understand your pain Wisdog, but you know you can't win an election without them.

NOW what are you going to do?

Posted by Manypaths
* * * *
We'll see. Somehow Romney and Giuliani both won elections in places where Bible-thumping evangelicals lie pretty thin on the ground. What happens if its Romney vs Clinton, or Romney vs Obama, and the Bible-thumpers don't really have anywhere else to go?

"What happens if its Romney vs Clinton, or Romney vs Obama, and the Bible-thumpers don't really have anywhere else to go?"

They will probably stay home in droves.

They aren't going to vote for a Mormon RisR.

They'll stay home.

And without them, the Republicans cannot win a general election.

Tell me the last time it happened?

Sleep with the fish, die with the fish. (Even Jesus chuckled at that one..)

Your party made the call to prey on the gullible.

"They aren't going to vote for a Mormon RisR.
They'll stay home."

I don't think they all would. You underestimate the fact that many of them would rather see a mormon in office who claims to be pro-life than a democrat.

"Every good Christian should kick Jerry Falwell in the ass."
-Barry Goldwater

They aren't going to vote for a Mormon RisR.

Posted by Manypaths
* * * *

Just watch. Suppose Romney wins the nomination. The same Mitt Romney who served as a successful governor of Massachusetts, and whose father was a successful governor of Michigan. That's two states the Dems have to defend. How competitive would he be in New Jersey? Or Connecticut? Or Pennsylvania or Maryland or Vermont or Maine or any of the other states that the Dems right now consider to be--if you'll pardon the phrase--"inevitable" locks?

LOL. This will be a very, very interesting election year. The electoral math hasn't changed, and the Dems have to win at least one state that the Republicans won in 2004, while holding all THEIR states in line. What if the Dems start out in November down Massachusetts and Michigan? How confident would you be THEN that the evangelicals will stay home all across the South, Midwest, and Mountain states?

Evangelical support for Romney will be lukewarm at best. Some will certainly vote for him, but a lot will stay home.

The Romney-Michigan link is too ancient history for most voters so there is little danger there. Connecticut and PA - he may have some traction there. New Jersey, Vermont, MD, Maine - nope. Massachusetts - double nope.

Fine. I'll settle for Connecticut and Pennsylvania. That's, what?--30 electoral votes or so? 26 maybe? With a whole lot of spending by the DNC to make sure Michigan and Mass and NY and Maine don't wander off the reservation?

So which Red states is Obama going to pick up?

I'm a big fan of the Cato Institute

~RiR.

Really? Cos Spud thinks they suck donkey dick just cos they like the taste.

Really. Gee, I thought you would agree with their harsh criticism against the Bush administration for its civil liberties record on the Padilla case, military tribunals, national ID cards, the creeping militarization of domestic law enforcement, border patrol, the drug war, grand jury abuse, the PATRIOT Act, federal surveilance of ordinary Americans, and operation TIPS. I also figured that you were also against the war on drugs, laws against prostitution, smoking bans, high alcohol and cigarette taxes and "fat taxes." Add to that their stated position on on the Federal Marriage Amendment, which would have outlawed gay marriage, calling it "Unnecessary, Anti-Federalist, and Anti-Democratic," and their amicus brief before the Supreme Court arguing that sodomy laws should be struck down in the case of Lawrence v. Texas.

Maybe you don't really understand their positions and are parroting lib talking points.

Or maybe you just like the taste...

Maybe you don't really understand their positions and are parroting lib talking points.

Or maybe you just like the taste...

Posted by Rightocenter
* * * *

Is there an "All of the Above"?

Yeah, Romney is doing REAL well in the South.....

I'll stand by my statement that Republicans cannot win a general election without the bible thumpers.

I'll keep watching and let you know if it ever happens.

And Huckabee ain't going to win a state outside the thumper belt in ANY general election.

Go Huck, Go!!!!! Jesus says to vote for you!

"against fat taxes. ????"

Fuck no!!!

TAX THE FAT!!!!!!!!!!!!

Call it a consumption or SPACE tax.

You fat asses cause more wear and tear on or streets, sidewalks, public seating and healthy air.

YOU SHOULD BE TAXED FOR IT FATTY!!!!!

(or you could put down the Twinkie. Your call)

I'll stand by my statement that Republicans cannot win a general election without the bible thumpers.

I'll keep watching and let you know if it ever happens.

Posted by Manypaths
* * * *
As far as a national election is concerned, I'm not arguing that point. Suits me fine that the Republican party is home to social and religious conservatives.

I do take issue with your assertion that the evangelicals will stay at home, if their choices are Hillary or Obama on one side, and almost anyone on the other. Just because they're not making placards for Giuliani or Romney today doesn't mean they won't be energized to deny Hillary the White House.

Keep believing, though.

Not just a voice. It is dominion we are after. Not just influence.

Something the GOP is slowly coming to realize. If Huckleberry doesn't bomb badly in NH, look out.

My parent's, who are devout christians and have always voted republican (my mother has 2 autographed pictures of Ronnie framed with the corresponding thank you letters for her campaigning for him) have said that if Romney gets the nod they are voting for Obama - if it's Romney v. Clinton then they are staying home. My dad loves Huck, but my mom has already decided to switch parties and vote for Obama in the primaries (I would like to think I had something to do with that).

RightisRight gets a FF.

While the Cato Institute's list of major donors reads like the roster at PNAC, I have to admit that many of their positions and criticisms about King George the II are well taken and in fact surprising given their donors.

I can live without some of their positions on privatizing Social Security and Immigration, but for the most part, over the past 4 years, I think that they have tried to stay true to their stated libertarian outlook.

"It is dominion we are after."



Osama? Is that you?

Posted by Rightocenter at 2008-01-04 04:58 PM

Holy shit, is there an "owned" flag?

Keep believing, though.

Posted by rightisright


Just keep your eye on the scoreboard dude.

The thumpers are not going to back a cross-dressing, gay loving Pro-choicer in Rudy and they will not back a Mormon.

They are finicky like that. They listen to their pastors more than they listen to Rush.

Another guy they have a problem supporting.

"They listen to their pastors more than they listen to Rush."


How? Do they ever sleep?

"they will not back a Mormon."

Again - when it's between a Mormon or allowing a Democrat to take office, they'll probably pick the Mormon 7 times out of 10.

There are only so many hours ...

"They listen to their pastors more than they listen to Rush."
How? Do they ever sleep?
Posted by Zatoichi


You guys are silly.

Holy shit, is there an "owned" flag?

Posted by JOE at 2008-01-04 05:34 PM

Funny, same thing crossed my mind (and probably RiR's as well).

Ouch.

Nothing wrong with the positions the Cato Institute has taken that RightoCenter cited. But that's not the whole story.

In March 2007, Cato, along with the Institute for Justice, called for eliminating disclosure requirements for those who contribute funds in support or opposition of ballot measures. One of the primary reasons the two groups cited was the high costs associated with disclosure requirements. At the time, these requirements were already weaker than those required for contributions to a candidate's political campaign.[5] (Institute for Justice report on costs associated with disclosure)

Howie Rich, a real estate investor and CATO Board Member, had helped to sponsor sixteen different ballot initiatives in 2006. His major effort was the so-called "Taxpayer Bill of Rights" or TABOR, which Rich attempted to place on the ballot in eight states. Courts in five of the states ultimately stripped TABOR from the ballot for numerous reasons, including what one Montana judge called a "pervasive and general pattern of fraud" by Rich and others in their campaign to pass the referendum.[5] (Report on the various methods used by major donors to disguise their interest in policy outcomes)

The Ballot Initiative Strategy Center, an advocacy group in support of ballot initiatives to reach progressive political and policy goals, believe that donor disclosure protects both the voters and the process of direct democracy from secret money and hidden goals. In response to Cato's position, Kristina Wilfore, the group's executive director, stated "The problem with being a front group for corporate fat cats like Exxon, Enron, and Howie Rich, is that you are always a little out-of-touch with the public ... CATO aligning itself with more corruption in political giving is taking the side of the powerful against the people and they call themselves libertarian?" [5] (Ballot Initiative Strategy Center report on money spent to influence ballot measure campaigns)

"Really. Gee, I thought you would agree with their harsh criticism against the Bush administration for its civil liberties record on the Padilla case, military tribunals,......."

Interesting. Are you sure you're not talking about the ACLU?

No, those are the positions of the Cato Institute- and Cato did call for the modifications or outright elimination of the disclosure requirements if modification was not feasible to bring them more in line with the requirements for individual candidates.

The TABOR issue really has nothing to do with that initiative, however, so other then a general criticism of one board member, I am not sure of the relevance.

"No, those are the positions of the Cato Institut"

Yes, I know. I was being sarcastic. The positions cited by RightO are identical to the ACLU.

What he doesn't cite are all the reactionary, pro-corporate positions taken by Cato, such as gutting regulations to protect the environment, worker health and safety, eliminating the minimum wage, privatizing social security, eliminating restrictions on media ownership, etc.

"in the dead of night"



"Brown shoed(sic) squares", no doubt.

Really. Gee...

Golly gee!

Does Spud know about the good stuff that the Cato institute has proposed?

Yes, Spud is aware.

Does RiR know that Spud considers their awarding of a Milton Friedman Award every year particularily odious?

Rupert Murdoch used to sit on their board and Phillip Morris was a major funder fer quite some.

In terms of their legitimate criticism of GWB's mad adventure in Iraq and the Jose Padilla case and the retardedness of corporate welfare they made a coupla good point. In their ongoing job of being apologists fer Friedman-esque "Free Markets" Spud does seriously loathe them. They hate the Neo-Cons because they are Neo-Libs themselves who follow a weird school of Objectivism. They try to distance themselves from other more odious "think tanks" by claiming that the amounts of money they accept from corporation per se is not so much but the donors who do regularily give them coin are equally as odious to Spud.

Scaife, Coors, Koch and Earhart among them.

Hope that begins to explain.

Spud notices nobody has asked Spud the AEI question yet.

Prolly fer the best. ^_^

Be Well.

Huckabee comes off as likeable, but ask those who've ever been on the opposite side from him on any issue. "Petty and vindictive" are the two words used most often to describe him if you happen to cross him.

Does RiR know that Spud considers their awarding of a Milton Friedman Award every year particularily odious?

Posted by dethspud at 2008-01-04 07:48 PM

I don't know, why don't you ask him.

www.accuracy.org

www.acsh.org

Posted by Bill_OReilly at 2008-01-04 07:51 PM

BillO, try linking to something from this century.

Thanks Righto, for that link, and Happy New year to you as well.

I was glad to see CATO opposed the DMCA, an atrocious piece of corporate welfare. It doesn't change the fact that they are pro-corporate on most economic issues, such as government regulation, environment, minimum wage, taxes, etc.

"BillO, try linking to something from this century."

I can find plenty of more current links, if I want to take the time.

Huckabee is a threat to this nation, do not be fooled.
The powers that be, will not allow a woman or a black man to be president.

Fat white men with a superiority complex will not allow themselves to be subordinate to people they feel are inferior to them.
And they will do whatever is required, to ensure their continued controll of our society.
They have too much to lose.

All roads lead to Huckabee.

i, an evangelical christian, will NOT be voting for the huckabilly.

we're not all THAT crazy.

Need I say more Southern Baptist= Extremist.

Please help me.....I want a DEMOCRAT to win any DEMOCRAT, but do you think the South will vote for a black president. I think those incest bred people would never vote in their best interests because he is Black.
Don't you think HIlary has a better chance of winning over lets say Romney or McCain, I do.
I will vote for Hilary even though I think Edwards would make a better president, but I think she could beat those knuckle head Republicans.

BillO , I love it when Keith calls you Orally.

"BillO , I love it when Keith calls you Orally."

Teenage boys love that kind of humor.

Posted by dethspud at 2008-01-04 04:23 PM

Really? Cos Spud thinks they suck donkey dick just cos they like the taste.

Now ask Spud wot he thinks about the ass-wipes over at the American Enterprise Institute.

That's colorful language there, Spud. You have apparitions and word associations that are unique to you, as is your spelling and grammatic formulations.

Posted by mariachi at 2008-01-05 05:51 PM

Please help me.....I want a DEMOCRAT to win any DEMOCRAT...

... but do you think the South will vote for a black president.

I think those incest bred people would never vote in their best interests because he is Black.

Don't you think HIlary has a better chance of winning over lets say Romney or McCain, I do.

I will vote for Hilary even though I think Edwards would make a better president ...

... but I think she [Mr.s. Clinton] could beat those knuckle head Republicans.

I think those incest bred people would never vote in their best interests because he is Black.

What's your analysis, mariachi? Is it based on anything other than intuition>?

i think mariachi's on speed...