Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs
Wednesday, January 02, 2008

The New York Times and Washington Post lead with, and everyone else fronts, the continuing postelection violence in Kenya, where a mob set fire to a church yesterday and killed dozens of people. The number of people killed at the church in Eldoret, where hundreds were seeking refuge, varies from at least 35 to 50, and the Los Angeles Times gets word the death toll could be as high as 80. In all, more than 250 people have been killed during the last few days in mostly tribal attacks that have brought chaos to a country that had previously stood out as one of Africa's most stable and economically prosperous democracies.

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Obama has no problem talking about his Kenyan heritage and his grandmother from Keny in speeches -- but now that the country is in turmoil -- Obama hasn't said a word. Why not?

"While Kenya has been burning over the past several days, and over 275 are dead, Obama has been remarkably silent about that nation's anarchy. Why?" www.pr-inside.com

"Kenya Elections 2007: Where is Senator Obama?
"The violence in Kenya following this week presidential election needs straight answer from the Democratic candidate of USA, Mr. Obama and a test for his foreign relationship credentials. Moreover he is also respected
in Kenya as their own because his father is a Kenyan."
www.africanpath.com

While we're discussing why candidates for the US presidency are silent on the strife in the countries of their ancestors, I want to know this:

What are Guiliani's thoughts on Mussolini? They would, after all, have as much bearing on the presidential race as Obama's thoughts on the strife in Kenya.

What are Guiliani's thoughts on Mussolini?

Mussolini? He's been dead 60+ years...what's up with the unnecessary Rudy deflection anyway.

They would, after all, have as much bearing on the presidential race as Obama's thoughts on the strife in Kenya.

Why would you say that. All the candidates mouthed off about Bhuttos assasination and their comments were used to gauge their foreign policy acuity.

Obama has exploited his Kenyan heritage for political gain to make the case that because of his multicultural background he understands the world better then the other candidates.

Well, let him put up or shut up. The nation of his father's birth -- the nation his granparents are from - the place of his "roots" is in chaos, people are being murdered in the streets for a week now. What does Senator Obama think of all this?

We don't know. Because he remains silent. Is this the kind of inaction we are to expect from Obama. Didn't we already have that with Clinton -- who "played the Sax" while a million Rwandans were slaughtered over a few weeks.

Isn't it the Kenyans that are burning Kenya?

Maybe he wants the other side to win?

The nation of his father's birth -- the nation his granparents are from - the place of his "roots" is in chaos, people are being murdered in the streets for a week now. What does Senator Obama think of all this?

Blah, blah, blah, blah

Careful, you're about to fall off your soapbox, kiddo.

PS: He's probably not in favor of rioting, rape, mayhem, and murder.

PPS: Why won't Giuliani condemn Mussolini?

Mussolini? He's been dead 60+ years...what's up with the unnecessary Rudy deflection anyway.

The point is that Obama's thoughts on Kenya have as much bearing on the presidential campaign as Guiliani's thoughts on Mussolini, which is to say, none.

Why won't Giuliani condemn Mussolini?

Posted by Manny_Goldstein

Or Mitt condemn The Osmonds?

"Or Mitt condemn The Osmonds?"

Posted by wisgod


I don't care who you are, that's funny.
Do they have the death penalty in Massachusetts?
Maybe Donnie and Marie will show up on Youporn next.

"Or Mitt condemn The Osmonds?"

Or Dennis condemn the Alien?

Obama hasn't said a word. Why not?

Cos Americans a rule don't give a flying fuck about anything that doesn't happen in America.

You kids have been trained like Pavlovs dog to be this way it's hardly yer fault.

Neither is it Obama's.

Bowa, of course, is aware of this factoid too but pretends to be oblivious to it.

Why is Bowajob picking on Obama just before the Iowa primary kicks in? Is he afraid Obama is gonna win or something? What next, Bowa, a kick at the Ron Paul campaign?

Spud wants it to be Obama v Paul in the '08 elections.

Bowa wants it to be Clinton v. Guiliani.

Spud supports the populist candidates.

Bowa supports the corporate candidates.

The "safety candidates" as far as the MSM and Big Biz are concerned.

If the system is overly rigged and the American people are as propagandised and narco-tised by their MSM as they have been fer the last couple of decades Bowa will get his wish.

If enuff Americans have figured out how to think for themselves and look beyond the MSM spin and if American democracy is still viable it will be as Spud wishes.

On topic?

Non-issue.

Be Well.

Why is Bowajob picking on Obama just before the Iowa primary kicks in?

The point is that Obama's thoughts on Kenya have as much bearing on the presidential campaign as Guiliani's thoughts on Mussolini, which is to say, none.

The point is that Obama has gone out of his way to exploit his Kenyan heritage for political gain to make the case that with his multicultural background he understands the world better then the other candidates.

Well, let him put up or shut up. Kenya, The nation of his father's birth -- the nation his granparents are from - the place of his "roots" is in chaos, people are being murdered in the streets for a week now. What does Senator Obama think of all this? What would he do if he were President?

We don't know. Because he remains silent. Is this the kind of inaction we are to expect from President Obama? Didn't we already have that with Bill Clinton -- who "played the Sax" while a million Rwandans were slaughtered over a few short weeks.

Nobody gave a flip about that exact same post at 1:11 either. Can't even be bothered to come up with new material, or at least paraphrase, huh?


Nobody gave a flip about that exact same post at 1:11 either. Can't even be bothered to come up with new material, or at least paraphrase, huh?

POSTED BY SANANTONIOROGUE



Nobody?

Well not quite Nobody, it does seem he gets paid by the word...


Nobody gave a flip about that exact same post at 1:11 either. Can't even be bothered to come up with new material, or at least paraphrase, huh?

Why.

I said what I needed to say about this subject. Obama has exploited his family history for political gain in order to present him as more worldly and in touch with other cultures then any other candidate.

Kenya, the home of his father, and grandparents has been plunged into murder and chaos following a contentious election. His grandmother still lives there. This is the same Kenya that Obama visitied and said he was "Glad to be back home" to those that greeted him.

But While Kenya Burns Obama Is Silent

Is this the kind of inaction we are to expect from President Obama? Didn't we already have that with Bill Clinton -- who "played the Sax" while a million Rwandans were slaughtered over a few short weeks.

"But While Kenya Burns Obama Is Silent"

Is he? Are you certain that he hasn't made back channel contacts over there? Do you know for a fact that he hasn't made private, personal efforts to influence what's happening there? No.

All you know is that he hasn't made any public statements on the matter. You don't know why. You're just grasping, as you have so many times before, for that "gotcha" moment that has eluded you so many times before.

PS: your masters will soon discover that you are using the same wording repeatedly and dock you accordingly.

Maybe one of Obama's people is following this thread on drudge.com.
Because obviously Barack realized that he needed to make a comment about what was going on in his ancestral homeland -- even if the Lefties here didn't.

This just in:

"US Presidential Hopeful Barack Obama 'Deeply Troubled' by Kenyan Violence"
"Democratic presidential hopeful Senator Barack Obama spoke with VOA's Sarah Williams Wednesday about post-election violence in Kenya.

Obama: "I've been deeply troubled by the recent news out of Kenya. The instability and tragic violence pose an urgent and dangerous threat to the people of Kenya and to Kenyan democracy. "
www.voanews.com

It was a good speech -- Obama was so strongly supporting democracy in Kenya -- that I almost heard a bit of a neo-con in his words.

So is it too late in your book to ameliorate your latest "gotcha" attempt?

All you know is that he hasn't made any public statements on the matter. You don't know why. You're just grasping, as you have so many times before, for that "gotcha" moment that has eluded you so many times before.

Well, he finally made a public statement -- just today -- and only a couple of hours after I posted this thread. And when I originally posted it -- there were only two sources questioning Obama's silence -- a blog, and an African News Service. So it's not like the MSM, had picked it up yet. So my congratulations to the Obama team for nipping a potential "gaffe" in the bud.

BTW: San, I am not interested in "Gotcha" moments -- but I am interested in posting stories which are more off-beat, and give insight into the candidate that can't be gleaned by talking points, and stump speeches. It's all fair game -- and certainly many people here have posted threads numerous "Gotcha" moments for Rudy, Huckabee, and Romney -- I don't remember you ever condemning anyone for posting those threads. Guess you are just very selective in your animosity. typical.

"U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice will call Kenyan President Mwai Kibaki to help forge reconciliation between him and opposition leader Raila Odinga, the State Department said on Wednesday."
(
africa.reuters.com)

Guess who spoke earlier by phone with Rice? That's right: Barack Obama.

Oh, here's another one:

US Presidential Hopeful Barack Obama 'Deeply Troubled' by Kenyan Violence
http://www.voanews.com/ english/2008-01-02-voa60.cfm

Bowa, you are such a charlatan.

"BTW: San, I am not interested in "Gotcha" moments"

Bull puckey Arugula Boy.

"and only a couple of hours after I posted this thread."

You're one influential pundit, Bowa. Yeah, that's the ticket!

I've been wondering Bowa.....

how would the social conservatives in the Republican party feel about their new First Lady of the United States being the former First Mistress of New York City?

Oh Corky. Like THIS wife will even make it until the inauguration!

"Is this the kind of inaction we are to expect from Obama."

To claim that because you don't know his personal opinions on Kenya, that means he will be indecisive when it comes to American affairs is utterly absurd. If Obama started yakking about Kenya right now, other candidates (and probably you) would accuse him of not being focused on domestic issues of more importance.

Bowa, you are such a charlatan.

No I am not. All these stories came out after I posted my thread. And as soon as I noticed that Obama had made a statement about Kenya -- it was me who posted it to my thread and apllauded his decision to break his silence on the issue.

I have rarely, if ever seen the kind of honesty I showed on this thread exhibited by others here who create thread. More often then not, regardless of what unequivocal evidence comes out later on -- they refuse to back off their original contention.

At least I am mature enough, and confident enough in my beliefs to know that if I create a thread titled "While Kenya Burns Obama Is Silent" and then Obama breaks his silence -- I not only can admit it and applaud him for breaking his silence-- but I rushed to post a link to what he said on my thread.

Go ahead, Bowa, don't be shy: Give yourself a great big pat on the back and a big fat wet smooch on your buttocks while you're at it.

lol, san an

I understand the current "wife in waiting" is this woman....

www.davesdaily.com

You're one influential pundit, Bowa. Yeah, that's the ticket!

One never knows. It was kind of odd Kenya's been in turmoil for days now, and it wasn't till this afternoon that he decided to make public comments. I would of course like to think that my thread and this site prompted his campaign to realize the potential damage to him if he continued to remain silent -- but the truth is more likely that the Obama campaign saw Kenya on the front page of the NYTimes and Wash. Post today and realized at that point that Obama would have to say something about it.

"It was kind of odd Kenya's been in turmoil for days now, and it wasn't till this afternoon that he decided to make public comments."

Was it really odd? As the link to the article about Rice's call to Kibaki indicated, Obama has been in communication with her on the issue. That tends to lend some credence to my hypothesis that he has been working behind the scenes and a public statement wasn't appropriate before now.

Guess that explanation just wasn't nefarious enough for you.

Is this the kind of inaction we are to expect from President Obama? Didn't we already have that with Bill Clinton -- who "played the Sax" while a million Rwandans were slaughtered over a few short weeks.


Posted by Bowa at 2008-01-02 03:48 PM

Kinda like pissing yourself and having a deer in the headlights look that The Bushling diplayed on 9/11?

Right Lokisderflaninjabowadouchenag?

Is this the kind of inaction we are to expect from President Obama? Didn't we already have that with Bill Clinton -- who "played the Sax" while a million Rwandans were slaughtered over a few short weeks

~Snowajob

Kinda like pissing yourself and having a deer in the headlights look that The Bushling diplayed on 9/11?

~Itsme

Spud thought it was more like Dumbya playing guitar while NOLA drowned.

Dumbya and the guitar, the modern worlds equivilant of Nero and his fiddle.

Of course, the deeply funny part about all of this is the fact that Bowa obviously doesn't give a flying fuck for the plight of folks in either Rwanda or Kenya. He's just playing his same old tired game.

Bowa musta got a super secret email last night telling him to drop the hammer on Obama or sommat, eh?

A little scared of the only real populist candidate the Left has, Bowa?

Are you more afraid of Barack Obama or Ron Paul or is it a tie?

^_^

Be Well.

The point is that Obama has gone out of his way to exploit his Kenyan heritage for political gain

HA!

This, coming from the "Barack the Magic Negro" Championer and the guy who brought us the "Barack is really a closet Muslim" nonsense and "Is Barack Black enuff?" now sez that Obama's African heritage is his big selling point to the American people.

Seriously, Bowa, if you swallowed a nail you'd shit out a corkscrew in no time flat.

Has it sunk in yet that your credibility around here has gone past zero and is now in the negative column?

Ooh, now tell us all about the "Kindergaden Kondoms"" again, you Krazy Ass-Klown!

Spud always gets a giggle when yer reduce yerself to that level of ignorant spin.

Fuggin' astro-turfers!

Ya gotta laff, ya really do. ^_^

Be Well.

His father abandoned he and his mom when he was 2. He's supposed to care what happens in Kenya because of that? I'm sure Obama, like the rest of us, feel bad when bad stuff happens anywhere.

Actually AU, he has close ties to Kenya (grandmother and others) and has visited there often. Kenya was where he and Michelle volunteered to take the HIV test to demonstrate it was OK for Kenyans to do it also.

I understand SANANTON

Someone was making an issue of his silence with this article in the first place - short lived silence it turns out.

I'm sure he cares deeply about what happens Kenya. His sphere his life lived so far shows he has the tools to have empathy for anyone whether there's a close connection or not. They're not millionaires and live closer to understanding average Americans than anyone in my lifetime.

I'm a big Obama fan. I'm old enough to remember when we were excited as Americans rather than so cynical all in all with our government and it's leaders. He has IT, that thing that makes me excited about his presidency. I think he'd be a fantastic president.

It was BOWA in fact that spurred my previous comment LOL

What's new?

AU, that last paragraph of your 620 post: dead on.

Obama tapes message to Kenyans: "The way forward is not through violence." Developing

DES MOINES--White House hopeful Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.), the son of a Kenyan who received a heros welcome when he visited his father's country in 2006, issued a plea Wednesday to the Kenyan people to stop the violence that erupted in the wake of a disputed presidential election.

On the day before the Iowa caucus, the first presidential vote, Obama taped a message while in Davenport, Iowa for the Kenyan people broadcast on the Voice of America.

"Despite irregularities in the vote tabulation, now is not the time to throw that strong democracy away. Now is a time for President Kibaki, opposition leader Odinga, and all of Kenya's leaders to call for calm, to come together, and to start a political process to address peacefully the controversies that divide them. Now is the time for this terrible violence to end," he said in the message.


Obama spoke with Rice last night and with Mike Rannenberger, the U.S. ambassador to Kenya this morning. Rannenberg accompanied Obama on much of his Kenyan visit, which included a visit to his father's homestead near the city of Kisumu.

State Department spokesman Sean McCormack declined to provide specifics leading up to the Obama taping



The Obama statement to the nation of Kenya
"I have been deeply troubled by the recent news out of Kenya. The instability and tragic violence pose an urgent and dangerous threat to the people of Kenya, and to Kenyan democracy. My family's thoughts and prayers go out to all who have suffered, and to the families of the victims.

"The Kenyan people have a proud history of supporting the growth of democracy in their country. Their thirst for democracy was on display in this most recent election, when they turned out to vote in record numbers, and in a peaceful and orderly way.

"Despite irregularities in the vote tabulation, now is not the time to throw that strong democracy away. Now is a time for President Kibaki, opposition leader Odinga, and all of Kenya's leaders to call for calm, to come together, and to start a political process to address peacefully the controversies that divide them. Now is the time for this terrible violence to end.

"Kenya's long democratic journey has at times been difficult. But at critical moments, Kenyans have chosen unity and progress over division and disaster. The way forward is not through violence it is through democracy, and the rule of law. To all of Kenya's people, I ask you to renew Kenya's democratic tradition, and to seek your dreams in peace."
blogs.suntimes.com

I tell you, Bowa doesn't just suck like a lamprey; he's got real political juice, the currency of power.

Thanks for making it happen, Bowa.

DOC

I just saw a piece on the network news about some of the precinct captains for Obama in Iowa - Older Republicans who voted for Bush twice. He generates excitement like no other candidate on the Democrat side. Predictions are that Iowa will have a record turnout of new caucusgoers, and that Republicans and Independents will go for Obama in a big way.

New Hampshire with it's almost majority Independent constituency seems like another place Obama will do very well.

Wouldn't it be great to have a president who excites us to our potential and who the Republicans would like too? That would be such a blessing for America. God knows we need it.

The good news this year is no matter who wins it won't be Bush.

"Wouldn't it be great to have a president who excites us to our potential and who the Republicans would like too?"

Amen.

You're right, the guy definitely generates excitement. Even someone who's soured on the whole political scene like me would go to the polls in November with a lighter step if I had an opportunity to vote for Obama.

He seems to understand how politics can be used to project a positive message. That speech he gave at the Dems 04 convention had me saying, "Who IS this guy? He's going somewhere!"

Let's hope it turns out that way, AU.

DOC

I was with my wife and staunch Republican mother in law that night in 2004. We all were just kind of in a state of awe saying the same thing. He's a once in a lifetime politician.

His first name means "blessed".

Poor Arugula Boy. This trumped up gotcha moment blew up right in his face just like all the others.

"BTW: San, I am not interested in 'Gotcha' moments -- Posted by Bowa "

*Chuckle*

I pointed out to him earlier today that perhaps Obama had been working behind the scenes, through back channels and other diplomatic means up to this point and a public statement wasn't appropriate before now.

Turns out my hypothesis was a whole lot closer to the truth than Bowa's inference that Obama was being disingenuous about caring about Kenya, or perhaps worse.

Sigh.

Wouldn't it be great to have a president who excites us to our potential and who the Republicans would like too

That's why I support Rudy.

I tell you, Bowa doesn't just suck like a lamprey; he's got real political juice, the currency of power.
Thanks for making it happen, Bowa.


Thanks Doc.

While Kenya Burns Obama Is Silent

I don't remember Obama "always" talking about Kenya but the right wing never lets facts get in the way of a good smear. His father was Kenyan and he has visited his father's village there. While in Kenya he has spoken about its problems of corruption.

His present concern is running for President of the United States not Kenya. If he was spending a lot of time talking about Kenya you can bet the right wing would be bitching about that too. Bitch and whine about the opposition is all they do because they have nothing positive to offer us. Mind you, looking at their bunch of second rate candidates I can't blame them for turning their attentions elsewhere and as for their third rate President how about this for a headline, admittedly a little beyond their limited memory span when it comes to their own side's shortcomings?

While New Orleans Drowns Bush Plays The Guitar

When did Kenya become a state of the USA?

Lets see if they can deal with our own before screwing around with sovereign foreign states.

"Wouldn't it be great to have a president who excites us to our potential and who the Republicans would like too

That's why I support Rudy.

Posted by Bowa"

Remind us again of all the excitement Rudy's candidacy is generating. All the grassroots support - the record number of small donators - the large crowds of supporters at every event in Iowa and NH. Remind us of Rudy's positive (9/11 9/11 9/11) message that is giving America hope for real change.

Oh. Nevermind.

Remind us again of all the excitement Rudy's candidacy is generating. All the grassroots support - the record number of small donators - the large crowds of supporters at every event in Iowa and NH.

Posted by SanAntonioRogue

Sounds like your looking for the Ron Paul tent. Can't miss it It's the biggest one.

AU, Bowa's hysterical reaction to him indicates that even the most delusional GOPiggies realize Obama represents a formidible force that even their smear machine and deflection drives might not be able to beat.

By the way, I had dinner the other night with a husband and wife who are old-line, decades-long, dyed-in-the-wool GOP in a state that hasn't gone for a Democrat since FDR. Both are interested in Obama, and she's the head of the county GOP women's organization. Obama is the real guy from hope.

DOC

Your story is typical of what I hear from my Republican friends. They all REALLY like Barack Obama. God couldn't have made a better man for this time. Multicutural, intelligent, wise, bridge building, and inspirational life story of humble beginnings lived in service at expense to himself. He's a breath of fresh air and the perfect man to unite diverse America as citizens, and show the world a man who many be Christian to the core, but understands the Muslim world.

I saw a story last night on NBC News about a life long Republican Bush voter who is now a precinct captain for Obama.

He's the real deal. He makes people buzz with excitement. Obama makes me smile when I hear him speak because I'm listening to the first real people's presidental candidate since RFK.

I will thank God if we can turn a page in America and renew our hope, aspirations, and unity that was lost in 1968 when RFK was gunned down. That was the last time in my lifetime we had someone who inspired so many so much. I'm tingling with excitement at being an American. I'm 51 and this is the first time since 1968 I'm dreaming again about America's potential and future.
.

"Sounds like your looking for the Ron Paul tent. Can't miss it It's the biggest one."

Save your advice for Bowa. He's the one who thinks Rudy is an exciting, grassroots candidate.



Well, the "candidates" in Kenya were members of different tribes. Mr. Obama's father was a member of some tribe. Which one? Is Mr. Obama's support for a faction based on his father's tribal membership? The contestants for the presidency were a member of the Kikuyu tribe, which is the largest with 13% of the population, and a member of the Luo tribe the third largest with 11% of the population. The ostensible winner was the Kikuyu.

Kenya is a corrupt country, a center for transport for trafficking in humans and drugs.

Maybe Mr. Obama is distancing himself from the troubles in Africa as it might draw attention to the type of governance there with Liberia, for example suffering some 200,000 killed in a civil war, and strife everywhere, Remember the Hutu-Tutsi struggle.

This failure of governance is mirrored in the urban areas in the United States which now house black majorities, and/or where there is black political control, Atlanta, Detroit, etc. This unconscious association might be negative as it affects his support because of the promise of his governance based on these models.

As an advocate for "the poor," Mr. Obama will need to address the transfer of assets from other Americans to "the poor," to "help the poor." What does he envisage this will entail, and at what cost?

A man who attends a black racist Afrocentric Church, whose focus is centered on Africa and blackness, certainly does not want to be identified with the reality of Africa. All of the bromides issuing from his Church regarding the superiority of Africa seem to be gainsaid by the reality of the continuing conflict and the poverty of the people living on the rich continent.

Here, this race hater, race-baiter comes under false pretenses and asks people whom he derides to accept his fanciful tale and elect an antagonist to lead them.

Grass roots=country toilet paper.

Obama's daddy - Luo tribe (www.cbsnews.com)

The people being murdered in Kenya now are members of the Christian Kikuyu tribe. The murderers are members of the Luo tribe.

Mr. Obama's father is a member of the Luo tribe.

When Mr. Obama visited Kenya, he was regarded as a savior by the Luo's, whose candidate promised to establish sharia law for Muslims.

Lest we forget Mr. Barack Hussein Obama Sr. of Nyangoma-Kogelo, Siaya District , Kenya, is a member of the Luo tribe and a radical Muslim. Candidate Obama's father and mother divorced, and his mother later married another Muslim, Lolo Soetoro, when Mr. Obama was six years of age. They lived in Indonesia.

Mr. Obama was enrolled in a Wahhabi maddrassa, a school supported by the radical Wahhabi sect of Saudi Arabia that has been promulgating the doctrine of jihad worldwide, preaching the inevitability of Islamic subjugation of non-Islamics and imposition of sharia law on the remainder of the world however accomplished including by the sword. It also denigrates non-Islamics describing them as pigs and dogs.

Truly Mr. Obama presents great promise to Americans. Of our some 300 million peole, we consider such a conflicted person? Why?


Ah Johnson. Joining a thread late without reading what has gone before, and sounding incredibly uninformed. Surprise.

And I also enjoyed how you slipped in the Trinity UCC reference without having a clue in hades what you're talking about.

And I also enjoyed how you slipped in the Trinity UCC reference without having a clue in hades what you're talking about.
Really? well, I'm glad to be able to provide you with some enjoyment, rogue.

That aside, what is it regarding Mr. Obama's church affiliation that is incorrect? It is a black racist separatist Afrocentric church. Are you denying that? And also, the black racist Pastor is a pal of Louis Farrakhan, the black Muslim head. Birds of a feather flock together.

Posted by rootiekazootie at 2008-01-03 11:23 AM

Obama's daddy - Luo tribe (www.cbsnews.com)
A revisionist screed using maudlin sentitmentality to divert attention from Mr. Obama's background and seek to portray him as alienated from his father.

You do recall that before the nature of "the school," the Wahhabi run maddrassa was established, the Obama protagonists had described it as a Roman Catholic school. It wasn't.

The attempts to reconstruct Mr. Obama's past, his "training," and his allegiances, and his current involvements adopt fall-back positions as the fictional constructs designed to coneal the reality, are exposed.


Parenthetically, the reception accorded Mr. Obama by the Luo tribe when he visited Kenya and his response, do not conform to the misrepresentations in the article cited.

But there are Americans, who seem to derive some satisfaction from the suppression, mistreatement, and even murder of Christians by Islamics in whatever country, and are apologists for these excesses. Fifty people killed when a Christian Church was burned, others injured. It's a big ho hum for many secularists, who seem to devalue Christian lives.

If you don't know the difference between the meaning of Afrocentric and Black racist then I doubt there is any point in further discussion with you. But it does make a lovely, if completely false, talking point for you.

Should you ever decide to actually learn something about Trinity, visit there, talk to members, you know, go beyond the daily hate-briefing, let me know.

PS: that whole Islamic Wahhabi madrassa lie was exposed long ago with CNN actually visiting the school. And just FYI, madrassa is just the Arabic word for "school", nothing sinister. And there were students of all faiths there, girls didn't even wear head coverings, let alone burkhas. Not a Wahhabian in sight.

But again Johnson, don't let the truth get in the way of your talking point.

RudiG spoke out forcefully on Kenya;" As the 337th most famous American in Kenya, I will noun verb 9-11 and send Bernie Kerik there as soon as we can find him a hooker and a pad to play in."

But reporting by CNN in Jakarta, Indonesia and Washington, D.C., shows the allegations that Obama attended a radical madrassa to be false. CNN dispatched Senior International Correspondent John Vause to Jakarta to investigate.

He visited the Basuki school, which Obama attended from 1969 to 1971.

"This is a public school. We don't focus on religion," Hardi Priyono, deputy headmaster of the Basuki school, told Vause. "In our daily lives, we try to respect religion, but we don't give preferential treatment."

Vause reported he saw boys and girls dressed in neat school uniforms playing outside the school, while teachers were dressed in Western-style clothes.

"I came here to Barack Obama's elementary school in Jakarta looking for what some are calling an Islamic madrassa ... like the ones that teach hate and violence in Pakistan and Afghanistan," Vause said on the "Situation Room" Monday. "I've been to those madrassas in Pakistan ... this school is nothing like that."

Vause also interviewed one of Obama's Basuki classmates, Bandug Winadijanto, who claims that not a lot has changed at the school since the two men were pupils. Insight reported that Obama's political opponents believed the school promoted Wahhabism, a fundamentalist form of Islam, "and are seeking to prove it."

"It's not (an) Islamic school. It's general," Winadijanto said. "There is a lot of Christians, Buddhists, also Confucian. ... So that's a mixed school."

And here's what that horrible, horrible man, Rev. Wright has to say about Afro-centrism.

WRIGHT: "The African-centered point of view does not assume superiority, nor does it assume separatism. It assumes Africans speaking for themselves, as subjects in history, not objects in history. It comes from the principles of Kawaida the second principle being Kujichagulia which is self-determination -- us naming ourselves, and not saying we are superior to anybody.

We have no hierarchal arrangement. When you say an African-centered way of thinking -- African-centered philosophy, African-centered theology -- you're talking about one center, we're talking about something that's different, and different does not mean deficient.

Nor does it mean superior or inferior."

So essentially he's saying it is important to understand that there is more than one center from which to view and understand history and current events. Most of America views things from a very Euro-centric viewpoint. Is it too frightening for you to consider there are others?

"RudiG spoke out forcefully on Kenya;" As the 337th most famous American in Kenya, I will noun verb 9-11 and send Bernie Kerik there as soon as we can find him a hooker and a pad to play in."

Posted by northguy"

Wait, if there are going to be hookers I'll go myself.
- Rudy

"Cos Americans a rule don't give a flying fuck about anything that doesn't happen in America."
SPUD...That is pretty condescending even for a self important little spud like you.

Bowa...could you have over reacted a little too soon ? Obama may have wanted to ascertain the true state of affairs before diving in.
Frankly, I find that admirable.
He is just a candidate, it's not like he was the President.

That's why I support Rudy.

Posted by Bowa"

Bowa, Realclearpolitics has RudiG getting his ass kicked by even Ron Paul in Iowa. Sounds like you're about the only one supporting him.

Bowa, Realclearpolitics has RudiG getting his ass kicked by even Ron Paul in Iowa. Sounds like you're about the only one supporting him.

~NG#3

As long as the cheques coninue to clear Bowa won't care.

Speaking of caring...

Cos Americans a rule don't give a flying fuck about anything that doesn't happen in America."
SPUD...That is pretty condescending even for a self important little spud like you.


~Kerrbear57

Which
KerrBear were you agin?

Oh riiiigghht, the one with the picture of Ronnie "The blood soaked brain-dead Bozo" Ray-gun on his tummy.

Spud shoulda remembered that!

If by "condescending" you mean "truthful" Spud can only agree.

There's this joke the rest of the world tells.

"Q: Why does America continue to invade countries around the world?

A: Cos it's the only way to teach their citizens about geography!

Here's another one...

America wants to run the world.

Too bad they seem completely dis-interested in learning about it!

Have you heard those one yet?

No? Quelle suprise! /snark>

It's not the fact that most Americans are so uninformed about the rest of the world that really rankles the rest of the world it's mostly the fact that so many of y'all are overly proud of yer ignorance.

Spud thinks even the ugliest truth is prettier than the most beautifully constructed lie.

Spud's weird! ^_^

Be Well.

You waste yer time, Mr. Rogue. Johnson's a bigger whack-job than he thinks Ron Paul is.

Bowa, Realclearpolitics has RudiG getting his ass kicked by even Ron Paul in Iowa. Sounds like you're about the only one supporting him.

North, Rudy's never been competitive in Iowa, nor has he given the state more then lip service -- but if he finished behind Ron Paul that would be damaging and embarrassing.

There's no doubt that his campaign has been floundering the past few weeks-- But I just don't see how GOP moderates like myself can turn to Mccain or Huckabee to represent our views. My fear is that if Rudy isn't competitive in NH -- then the default choice is Romney -- and he would be the GOP's version of "John Kerry", someone who might look decent on paper but doesn't have a chance at winning-- against either Hillary or Obama.

My hope then would be that Bloomberg enters the race -- he would be my next choice for President if Rudy doesn't get the nomination.

Is this the kind of inaction we are to expect from President Obama? Didn't we already have that with Bill Clinton -- who "played the Sax" while a million Rwandans were slaughtered over a few short weeks. - Bowa

And five minutes later you report he has made remarks about Kenya. How very "fair" of you.

And five minutes later you report he has made remarks about Kenya. How very "fair" of you.

Thanks sitdown -- I think I was very fair also -- Obama hadn't said anything about Kenya for a few days so I posted the thread noting his "silence"-- and then he did make a public statement shortly after -- so I posted his comment, and a link to it, and also applauded him for finally making a statement about all the murder and chaos going on his ancestral home.

And five minutes later you report he has made remarks about Kenya. How very "fair" of you.
Posted by sitdown


Did somebody - I say - did somebody say "fair?"

"My hope then would be that Bloomberg enters the race"

He said again today he absolutely was not going to run. I hope he's telling the truth, but who knows...

He said again today he absolutely was not going to run. I hope he's telling the truth, but who knows...

San, I missed that. But thanks for the tip. I see that he said it on the "Today Show" today. I know Bloomberg also told Ryan Seacrest he wouldn't run on New Years Eve, which he could probably explain away if he decided to run -- but now that he's said it a 2nd time-- I don't think he will run.

Interesting that he would make such a definitive statement before any of the party candidates were chosen -- I thought he would play it coy until at least mid-February.

I still think he could decide to go for it. But if he was really planning to I would think he would just keep quiet rather than issue denials.

I agree, I thought he'd wait until the herd started thinning out a bit next month.

Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2008-01-03 12:35 PM

If you don't know the difference between the meaning of Afrocentric and Black racist then I doubt there is any point in further discussion with you. But it does make a lovely, if completely false, talking point for you.
Do you really believe that Afrocentrist and black racist are mutually exclusive, Rogue? You are aware that "the Pator" was a bosom buddy of Louis Farrakhan of the Nation of Islam, the black Muslim leader, who is also a black racist. Is this association a "meaningless coincidence?" Come on, Rogue, explain the comity.
Should you ever decide to actually learn something about Trinity, visit there, talk to members, you know, go beyond the daily hate-briefing, let me know.

What's your affiliation with Trinity, Rogue?
PS: that whole Islamic Wahhabi madrassa lie was exposed long ago with CNN actually visiting the school. And just FYI, madrassa is just the Arabic word for "school", nothing sinister. And there were students of all faiths there, girls didn't even wear head coverings, let alone burkhas. Not a Wahhabian in sight.
Is this the only report? Do some differ in their observations?

"Do you really believe that Afrocentrist and black racist are mutually exclusive, Rogue?"

Of course not. But neither can they be automatically assumed to be synonymous.

"You are aware that "the Pator" was a bosom buddy of Louis Farrakhan of the Nation of Islam"

Bosom buddy? Hardly, but I'm not surprised you would try to characterize it that way.

"What's your affiliation with Trinity, Rogue?"

I am a member of the United Church of Christ. I have some friends who are members of Trinity and I have attended services with them 2-3 times and had the opportunity to visit with other members. It prompted me to do a little reading and research into what the congregation stood for. Try it sometime.

"Is this the only report? Do some differ in their observations?"

No, it isn't, there have been several. To the best of my knowledge there hasn't been one single first hand account that remotely supports the Wahabbi red herring. If you care to produce one I would be glad to read it.

By the way, if it were truly a Wahabbi-based Islamic madrassa, there wouldn't be girls there in the first place. Just a basic understanding of the concept and a little common sense would tell you that.

Also, my partner is Indonesian and his family lives in Jakarta a few miles from the school. They know it well.

Here is the result of investigation of the school from CNN, the LA Times, and Chicago Trib...

CNN, the Associated Press, the Los Angeles Times and the Chicago Tribune investigated the e-mail claims by visiting the school and interviewing former teachers and students who were there at the same time as Obama. These investigations found a public school where students wore Western clothing and prayer was a small part of the curriculum. The Chicago Tribune reported the school was "so progressive that teachers wore miniskirts and all students were encouraged to celebrate Christmas."

You see Johnson, that's why it pays to do just a bit of homework before you jump on the smear bandwagon.

Also, see my quote from Rev. Wright earlier and hear straight from him what his definition of Afro-centrism is.

Obama hasn't said a word. Why not?



The lack of comments by any candidate is deafing, as well as from the administration.

Or Mitt condemn The Osmonds?

Posted by wisgod at 2008-01-02 01:43 PM | Reply


FF for wisser.

"The lack of comments by any candidate is deafing, as well as from the administration.

Posted by 726"

What are you talking about?

"The lack of comments by any candidate is deafing, as well as from the administration.

Posted by 726"

What are you talking about?



I may be wrong, but I have not heard any of the candidates speak about the violence in Kenya.

All of them have issued statements, including Obama. Condi Rice has issued several statements, and has been in regular contact with the Kenyan government.

Well then color me corrected.

Is Obama running for office in Kenya?

Obama should do and say more to end Kenyan violence.

As the killing in Kenya continues it is Obama's people the luo who are engaging in killing , murder rape and ethnic cleansing against those who supported the elected President.

The Luo (Obama's fathers people) are very proud of Obama and would listen to him. The luo consider Obama one of them and rever him. Thousands of babies tens of schools and even a beer have been named after obama. The luo claim to have been looking forward to having two Presidents one in the US and one in Kenya.

So Obama is at the center of this ethnic cleansing. Obama has met many times with Raila Odinga the politician responsible for organizing the ethnic violence. Obama can do more to restrain his fathers people and he should.

JOBS

How do you know he isn't? People were claiming he hadn't commented on Kenya. Well, turns out he wanted to make sure he understood the situation precisely, and made a statement 10 hours later. Don't doubt he isn't concerned and working behind the scenes at least in his capacity as a U.S. Senator.

Great to hear from a noted authority on goings-on in Luo Land. Thanks, Jobs!

What a dunce.

Also, as noted above, Obama has been in contact with Sec. Rice re: the situation. Nobody, except the parties involved know exactly what he is or is not doing. Just because he isn't announcing every contact and discussion to the media doesn't mean nothing is happening.

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