"The idea that The New York Times is giving voice to a guy who is a serious, respected conservative intellectual -- and somehow that's a bad thing," Rosenthal added. "How intolerant is that?"

Rosenthal is only now realizing how intolerant much of the Lefty blogosphere is?

Where's he been.

Huh? The NY Times is the voice of lefties. Just goes to prove there isn't two cents worth of difference between left and right. It's like Protestant and Catholic. They still believe in the same god.

Huh? The NY Times is the voice of lefties.

What's most shocking about this is that Kristol is the Godfather of neo-cons, and the NY Times editorial page trashes neo-cons whenever they get the chance.

The NY Times is the voice of lefties.


Yea that's it.

Kristol is just another name in the list of right wing pundits that have written in the Op Ed for the NY Times.

What's most shocking about this is that...
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Bowa can't handle the concept of diverse opinion.

Now that ain't shocking

That doesn't shock me at all. I've been telling you that the differences are superficial. They have to trash neo-cons for the sake of their left wing audience. But they hold back just enough to be ineffective.

But then again it's not uncommon to have a token writer from the opposite side. Al Hunt was the WSJ's token liberal.

But then again it's not uncommon to have a token writer from the opposite side.

Yea David Brooks the noted Liberal...

Bowa can't handle the concept of diverse opinion.

Zap, I prove you wrong every time I log on to this site.

NYT is a very, very, oh so very Establishment organ. The funny thing is, the Righties don't know what a friend they have in the NYT. Just like they didn't know what a friend they had in FDR.

Bowa can't handle the concept of diverse opinion.

Actually, the people who can't handle "the concept of diverse opinion" are those Lefties who are outraged and threatening to pull their subscriptions.

Zap, I prove you wrong every time I log on to this site.

POSTED BY BOWA


ROTFLMAO

Lokisfur I'm sorry you have been self admittedly been thrown off right wing sights!

Actually, the people who can't handle "the concept of diverse opinion" are those Lefties who are outraged and threatening to pull their subscriptions.

POSTED BY BOWA

It's gonna be pretty strange being subscribe to the same publications as you Bowa.

LOL

But they hold back just enough to be ineffective.

Ineffective? At what? Promoting one side over the other? Sure doesn't sound objective.

At least you agree that the NY Times is a Lefty tool out to try to achieve certain ends -- even though they have been "ineffective." at it.

Kristol....the guy who has been wrong on everything - rewarded

"wrong on everything - rewarded"

So what else is new?

At least you agree that the NY Times is a Lefty tool out to try to achieve certain ends
POSTED BY BOWA

As usual the Comedy Clown

Ray is no more a Lefty than you are.

Rosenthal is only now realizing how intolerant much of the Lefty blogosphere is?

Which "lefty" sites are you talking about? Been to FreeRebublic or LittleGreenFootballs lately?

Bowa, you come to one of the most tolerant sites on the web and complain about intolerance. What a hack!

"most tolerant sites on the web"

Thank you, Rogers.

NYT is a very, very, oh so very Establishment organ.

I think for the the beltway/NY media especially it's all just a big club and at the end of the day, most of them just put partisanship aside and have good working business relationships, friendships that go back many years.

This drives the extremists on Left and Right crazy of course, since they have so much invested in dehumanizing, and villifying those who don't agree with them.

At least you agree that the NY Times is a Lefty tool out to try to achieve certain ends -- even though they have been "ineffective." at it.

Bowa - I keep telling you that the differences are superficial. The party out of power always pretends to be in opposition. They got you fooled into thinking Bush has been out maneuvering them. Hillary is going to be the next president. Both parties are behind her.

You're just some punk kid who doesn't know the game.

Actually, the people who can't handle "the concept of diverse opinion" are those Lefties who are outraged and threatening to pull their subscriptions.





Posted by Bowa at 2007-12-29 08:59 PM | Reply | Flag:


My diversity of opinion never got anyone killed. Nor am I wrong 99% of the time.

In what other occupation do you get a PROMOTION for being so wrong and so stupid? Krystol has no business taking this job even if you ONLY count his terribly wrong predictions...let alone his fevered warmongering and lack of understanding in regards to ME culture.

Krystol isn't simply wrong...he is wrong and partially responsible for death going on right now in Iraq. The man has blood on his hands, and is being hired because print media is dying and they think more editorial conflict and polarization will bring more readers.

Bowa, you come to one of the most tolerant sites on the web and complain about intolerance

I'm not complaining about intolerance here. How did you get that idea? I posted this thread because it was a good story -- neo-con Bill Kristol hired by the NY Times, and the "Times' editorial page editor Andrew Rosenthal defending the move...Rosenthal told Politico shortly after the official announcement Saturday that he fails to understand "this weird fear of opposing views."

"The idea that The New York Times is giving voice to a guy who is a serious, respected conservative intellectual -- and somehow that's a bad thing," Rosenthal added. "How intolerant is that?"

PS- They're wrong. Print media is in a vegetative state and will never recover.

This drives the extremists on Left and Right crazy of course, since they have so much invested in dehumanizing, and villifying those who don't agree with them.
POSTED BY BOWA

I smell another self centered call of Bowa being a moderate.


Yea, sure, that's it!


Being unexpected and exiled on the right but not thrown out here doesn't make you a moderate!

a guy who is a serious, respected conservative intellectual

He is none of those things.

Krystol isn't simply wrong...he is wrong and partially responsible for death going on right now in Iraq. The man has blood on his hands

That's just your opinion of course Alex...on the other hand the NY Times apparently disagrees and believes he is a "a serious, respected conservative intellectual" as their editorial page editor stated.

Kristol-nacht comes to the NYT?

Bwa hah hah hah hah hah hah!!

They have to trash neo-cons for the sake of their left wing audience. But they hold back just enough to be ineffective.

~Ray.

Bingo.

All MSM is first and foremost "Corporate-Friendly" and then secondly "political" but they are only political in that they work within wot Chomsky describes as the "bounds of the expressable".

Wing nutty "think tanks" on both left and right decide wot those parameters are to be.

The NYT takes an extra special delight in under-reporting news from Palestine/Israel and the UN and re-casting other foreign news in the light the current powers that be wish it to be seen in.

Beyond that the NYT has some great writers and Spud is admire them but in the main America's "Document of Record" is an inherently flawed institution.

The MSM doesn't reflect public opinion.

It shapes it.

It delineates the bounds of the expressable.

It doesn't talk about wot is not to be talked of.

It shades truth and sometime works in out and out revisionism.

The Op/Ed page is carefully chosen to express only that which is expressable too.

It does the same thing in blog-world with astro turfers and selective postings but they can't be everywhere at once and thus real truth and actual opinion is over-whelm their attempts in between the flame wars and muffin recipes.

Bill Kristol doesn't even believe the shit he writes, he just thinks that there are enuff gullible people out their to buy into his bullshit.

So far Billy Boy is batting Zero.

Anybody who takes his opinion seriously is either intellectually lazy or downright crazy.

Possibly both.

Spud calls him Krystal-meth-head fer a reason ya know.

Be Well.

PS: The difference between reality as they would have you see it and reality as most people experience it is growing practically by the day.

How soon before the majority reach a tipping point and have their "Matrix moment", their "Saul on the road to Damascus" revelation?

"so much invested in dehumanizing, and villifying those who don't agree with them."

You mean like this:

Waht personal attacks am I launchingagainst another blogger here by pointing out that the democrats tried numerous times to bring defeat for America

al-quaeda and Lefties copy each other's talking points

the Left's legacy -- they tried to doom the mission in Iraq and hand our enemies a victory-- all for political gain.

very bad year for the Democrats who were trying so hard to bring defeat for America in Iraq.

Democrat/Liberal talking points which are the same talking points that al-qaeda and hamas spew about the USA

What a puling prig.

the NY Times apparently disagrees and believes


Bowa quoting and agreeing with the NY Times


Now that is news!

The media do not exist to inform.
The media do not exist to entertain.
The media exist to sell.

It is ALL just a billboard.

Being unexpected and exiled on the right but not thrown out here doesn't make you a moderate!

Nope, holding "moderate" views is what makes me a moderate -- or as I'm called by the far-right a RINO. And we already know that you and other Lefties here think I'm some far-right extremist.

It all adds up to me being quite the moderate.

It all adds up to me being quite the moderate.
POSTED BY BOWA

I knew that was where you were going Bowa.

Keep it up, your delusion adds to your comedic value on the DR.

You mean like this:

Nope.

next.

on the other hand the NY Times apparently disagrees and believes he is a "a serious, respected conservative intellectual" as their editorial page editor stated.

Of course. They all belong to the same incompetent statist clique. If one idiot calls another idiot smart, it means he's smart by idiot standards.

I knew that was where you were going Bowa.

No. You were going there. You brought it up. I responded.

next.

"a serious, respected conservative intellectual"

Bwa hah hah hah hah hah hah hah hah hah!!

He's a seriously disturbed wing nut all right!

Spud has more respect fer the stuff Spud scrapes from his shoe after a walk down an off-leash trail.

He's a "cunt-servant-ive", sounds close but aint the same thing.

He is as

This drives the extremists on Left and Right crazy of course, since they have so much invested in dehumanizing, and villifying those who don't agree with them.
POSTED BY BOWA

9:19

Next indeed!

You mean like this:

Tambo, did you feel personally dehumanized and villified by my comments?

Interesting you would take it that way.

Given that I never directed my comments to any individual.

GIANTS SCORED!

they are ahead of the patriots.

Fuggin' Drudge Gerbil ate Spud's post again!

Try that again...

"a serious, respected conservative intellectual"

Bwa hah hah hah hah hah hah hah hah hah!!

He's a seriously disturbed wing nut all right!

Spud has more respect fer the stuff Spud scrapes from his shoe after a walk down an off-leash trail.

He's a "cunt-servant-ive", it sounds close but aint the same thing.

He is intellectually and morally bankrupt.

And FluffPo brought the story out first?

Gotta luff selective leaks!

Man, they are getting DESPERATE!

Thanx fer the cheap laff there, AWOB!

As always.

Be Well.

Bill Kristol was one of the original signautures to the Neocon's bible -- "Project for a New American Century" (PNAC) -- and was one of the main architects for pushing us to go to war in Iraq. Even now this Neocon shill still is busy working on trying to get us to nuke Iran.

You'd think after that NYT debacle with Judith Miller writing her phoney stories in the NYT of WMD's and bio/chem weapons in Iraq, from info gained after "pillow talk" with Scooter Libby the night before, the NYT's would have learned its lesson. Apparently not. WHY would anybody believe anything the lying Neocon Kristol had to say. He's right in the forefront of the nest of Neocons who got us into war with Iraq using phony intel and outright lies.

Any of you Bushlovers who think the NYT's leans to the left is nuts after Miller and now Kristol being on their payroll.

GIANTS SCORED!

they are ahead of the patriots.

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They've been ahead most of the game with 4 lead changes try to keep up..

the Neocon's bible -- "Project for a New American Century" (PNAC)

A Co-Founder

GIANTS SCORED!

they are ahead of the patriots.

Posted by Bowa


Who cares?

Who cares?

POSTED BY ZATOICHI


He wants to look like a moderate...

Any diversion in a storm

Posted by Alexandrite at 2007-12-29 09:17 PM

[Kristol] is being hired because print media is dying and they think more editorial conflict and polarization will bring more readers.

Newsweek hired the Left's 'anti-christ" karl Rove a couple of months ago, as well as Markos Moulitsas

Kruel Rover the Bad Dog and Markie Mark the Kosby Kid?

NewsWEAK!

Be Well.

How perverse! The wacko belongs in chains, not in the NYT!

Given that I never directed my comments to any individual.


Posted by Bowa at 2007-12-29 09:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

Moderates are gutless centerless faggots. Don't take that personally, bowa...since I didn't direct it completely at you specifically.

Get it now, or do i need to explain?

And almost every thread I post to invariably produces some Lefty who has to make it about me, instead of the article of the thread.


It's because you write shit like this:

Waht personal attacks am I launchingagainst another blogger here by pointing out that the democrats tried numerous times to bring defeat for America

al-quaeda and Lefties copy each other's talking points

the Left's legacy -- they tried to doom the mission in Iraq and hand our enemies a victory-- all for political gain.

very bad year for the Democrats who were trying so hard to bring defeat for America in Iraq.

Democrat/Liberal talking points which are the same talking points that al-qaeda and hamas spew about the USA



Gosh, i can't imagine why that would rile anyone up. Especially since Moderates have manginas.

Why not 28.35 and 16&7/8ths?

Let me know when the losing team is killed and eaten.

The resources squandered on bullshit for public entertainment are utterly obscene.

Bread and circuses come to mind.

NYT, keeping their friends close and their enemies closer.

Smart move.

Moderates are gutless centerless faggots. Don't take that personally, bowa.

Don't worry Alex. I don't. I disagree of course.

Get it now, or do i need to explain?

Get what now? That I seem to be able to express opinions here without resorting to abusive personal attacks?

Gosh, i can't imagine why that would rile anyone up.

Whine, whine, whine. So many of you are so "riled" that you get unhinged and resort to personal attacks. I find it humorous. If you disagree with my assesment that's fine. Many people here have concluded that we've already been defeated in Iraq and it is those of us who support the mission that are continuing the killing our troops. I strongly disagree and seem to be able to do that without resorting to dehumanizing namecalling and personal attacks.

And I stand by my comments -- I mean, It's not like you can really argue that the Left hasn't tried force a premature withdrawl from Iraq that would hand America a devastating defeat..nor can you really argue that the Left doesn't parrot the same anti-Bush, anti-American talking points that you find coming out of bin Laden, Hamas, al-qaeda etc. If that pisses you off-- then maybe it's because you are not comfortable with your own position. especially in light of the recent successes.

later. Gonna finish watching the game now.

"At least you agree that the NY Times is a Lefty tool out to try to achieve certain ends -- even though they have been "ineffective." at it."

Bowa - I keep telling you that the differences are superficial. The party out of power always pretends to be in opposition. They got you fooled into thinking Bush has been out maneuvering them. Hillary is going to be the next president. Both parties are behind her.
You're just some punk kid who doesn't know the game.
Posted by Ray at 2007-12-29 09:17 PM

Awesome post - every word.
NYT isn't something I ever look to for data. Hiring Kristol seals that impression.

..
The Op/Ed page is carefully chosen to express only that which is expressable too.

I get the impression that Opinions/Editorials are the Human Resources of newspaper. Don't expect much more than corporate spew - uh, I mean skew..

It does the same thing in blog-world with astro turfers and selective postings but they can't be everywhere at once and thus real truth and actual opinion is over-whelm their attempts in between the flame wars and muffin recipes.

Ah, but what better tactic for resolution? In between bites you can hear the barking getting softer and softer.

Bill Kristol doesn't even believe the shit he writes, he just thinks that there are enuff gullible people out their to buy into his bullshit.
So far Billy Boy is batting Zero.
Anybody who takes his opinion seriously is either intellectually lazy or downright crazy.
Possibly both.
Spud calls him Krystal-meth-head fer a reason ya know.
Be Well.
PS: The difference between reality as they would have you see it and reality as most people experience it is growing practically by the day.
How soon before the majority reach a tipping point and have their "Matrix moment", their "Saul on the road to Damascus" revelation?
Posted by dethspud at 2007-12-29 09:24 PM

Kristol claims that his observations are not formed by his "personal opinions", and his pocketload of friends would confirm it to suit themselves, uh, I mean him.

You subscribe to NYT? From what I can read it's non-stop privatization of all media..

Think about this. Time Magazine hires Karl Rove for it's magazine.Now Bill Kristol with New York Times. What does this mean?

The media is the estanblishment.

The establishment is the enemy.

Think about this. Time Magazine hires Karl Rove for it's magazine.Now Bill Kristol with New York Times. What does this mean?

Let's see:

The NY Times hired Kristol
Rove was hired by Newsweek.
Markos Moulitsas was hired by newsweek

Time fired Kristol and Krauthammer
Time is now on the verge of hiring Ramesh Ponnuru as a contributor. FYI: Mr, Ponnuru in 2006 published The Party of Death: The Democrats, the Media, the Courts, and the Disregard for Human Life,

What does this mean?

What does it mean when respected left-leaning rags like Time, Newsweek, and the NY Times shake up their OP-ED pages by adding contentious elements to the mix.?

It means they are stale -- they are getting left behind by the netroots, the blogosphere, and sites like drudgereport.com, dailykos, freerepublic, townhall, huffinton post, and my favorite drudge.com.

So how best to bring these readers back? Kill them with kindness or piss them off with contention.

Rage sells.

And as Newsweek Editor Jon Meacham put it". "I'm fully prepared for both the right-wing and left-wing blogosphere to be outraged, which means we're doing our job,"

Bill Kristol is an articulate piece of shit. I welcome his column onto the NYT. Once his idiocy is exposed to the intellectual masses, and his lack of common sense, and inability to grasp realities (as opposed to ideology) in world affairs is made apparent, he will become as big a non-factor as Robert Novak.

To be honest this is kind of a non issue to me. NYT sold their credibility with Judith Miller and the iraq war already.

If they want to take the WWE editorial direction and add a goofy villain to grow their audience, so be it.

Bill Kristol 2008:
I've got to support somebody with a chance to win!

Bowa

Looks like Rudy Nineleven's strategy isn't working out so well.

Looks like Rudy Nineleven's strategy isn't working out so well.

AU, Given that Rudy's strategy is to concentrate on later states, how could you tell whether it is working now or not?

Also, what does that have to do with the topic of this thread?

he will become as big a non-factor as Robert Novak.

Given that Novak is not a non-factor by any means, I suspect you are really upset that Kristol is being forced in front of an audience that would normally avoid him at all costs.

Also, what does that have to do with the topic of this thread?
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AU, Given that Rudy's strategy is to concentrate on later states, how could you tell whether it is working now or not?

BOWA

He took Iowa and New Hampshire for granted. It'll give someone else all the buzz.

Further, Rudy's a one trick "911" pony.

What's he have to do with this thread? Couldn't resist since we're talking about the NYT

Also, I think Kristol dresses up in leather with a ball gag and lets hookers whip him. Seems like the type.

It was a business decision for the NTY. They decided to stay in business and the only way to do that is to become more balanced.

He took Iowa and New Hampshire for granted. It'll give someone else all the buzz.

AU, well that's his strategy -- he's betting that his moderate social positions will win the day in the bigger and bluer states.

It's not like he's out of it yet. It's too bad that he never pulled away from the pack like I hoped and he's treading water now with 4 other candidates -- but if he wins florida then he's a genius and likely cleans up on feb 5th. If not, he's history.

BOWA

It's gonna be a nail biter on both sides. Main thing I want is an end to the trivial partisan bickering in D.C. it isn't serving anyone well.

The Times hires someone like Bill Kristol to try to rebuild their reader base. It's obvious with their layoffs, and people fleeing papers for sites like this, there aren't enough people who want to read the liberal slant, denying the President any credit for anything, poking fun at the Vice-President, denying progress in the Iraq war, denying, or, ignoring the 7 years of booming economy, (how come there is no more crying about the debt to our "children") and other accomplishments.

The Times hires someone like Bill Kristol to try to rebuild their reader base. It's obvious with their layoffs, and people fleeing papers for sites like this, there aren't enough people who want to read the liberal slant, denying the President any credit for anything, poking fun at the Vice-President, denying progress in the Iraq war, denying, or, ignoring the 7 years of booming economy, (how come there is no more crying about the debt to our "children") and other accomplishments.

"the liberal slant"?

Another RT fuck-wit who hasn't got a clue.

"Denying the President credit fer anything"

Spud credits him with being a hypocritical war profiteer, alcoholic, cum-drunk ex-coke head who has, with the help of his ass-wipe puppet master Dickless Chain-me, turned the US into a stinking torture state, morally and financially bankrupting the place with debt that yer great grand kids will have a hard time paying back, particularily after the inevitable collapse of the petro-dollar and the calling in of the loans taken out to pay fer this foolish, illegal, unneccessary and immoral from the ChiComs who have yet to revalue their yuan.

"Booming economy"?

"Progress in Iraq"?!

WTF?!!

Spud knows it's yuer first post and all but seriously yer living in LaLa land if you believe anything you just wrote.

Big FOX watcher are ya?

Call it a hunch.

If folks are fleeing the NYT to avoid hearing folks "poking fun" at the drunk Quail-tard hunter and face shooter Dickless "I got a man sized safe in my office and my own top secret stamp" Cheney then they've come to the wrong place, Boyo!

Be Well.

PS: Welcome to the RETORT! ^_^

This aint Matt Drudge's pussy-assed site, btw.

PPS: Fuck Dick Cheney and his li'l Chimp too!

BOWA

It's gonna be a nail biter on both sides

~AU

That reminds Spud...

Hey, Bowa!

Yer so crooked that if you "swallowed a nail you'd probably shit out a corkscrew"

Be Well.

"The Times hires someone like Bill Kristol to try to rebuild their reader base. It's obvious with their layoffs, and people fleeing papers for sites like this, there aren't enough people who want to read the liberal slant, denying the President any credit for anything, poking fun at the Vice-President, denying progress in the Iraq war, denying, or, ignoring the 7 years of booming economy, (how come there is no more crying about the debt to our "children") and other accomplishments."

OMG.

This guy must be a relative of "Bowas'"

No one else is that delusional.

The hiring of Bill Kristol, is a joke, not because he is a Conserative voice but because this brain dead neo-con is almost always WRONG on Foriegn Policy for the past 20 Years!!!!!! The Conserative Movement in America is being rejected around the world by any clear way one can measure.

I for one am looking forward to this clowns column, the more light shining on these fuckin clowns the better.

A CITIZEN

All I got wrong was hitting 5 instead of a 3. The WTC attacks happend 2 months after Clinton took office.

I took a massive worldwide manhunt to finally track down some of the perpetrators in Pakistan as well.

Clinton took care of business. He didn't make empty promises. He just got the job done and made sure all the 1993 WTC bombers were hunted down, arrested, tried, convicted, and sent to prison to rot for the rest of their lives.

And I stand by my comments -- I mean, It's not like you can really argue that the Left hasn't tried force a premature withdrawl from Iraq that would hand America a devastating defeat..nor can you really argue that the Left doesn't parrot the same anti-Bush, anti-American talking points that you find coming out of bin Laden, Hamas, al-qaeda etc. If that pisses you off-- then maybe it's because you are not comfortable with your own position. especially in light of the recent successes.

later. Gonna finish watching the game now.

Posted by Bowa at 2007-12-29 10:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

Please tell us what a 'victory' will entail?

Also, can you please point out which 'lefty' candidate is saying anything even close to what OBL says.

One more thing, can you tell us which party has a president that does business with terrorist familes and who then FLIP FLOPPED and decided that the man who killed 3000 American civilians was NOT A PRIORITY?

I won't hold my breath waiting for that last one.

Dear Liberal Assholes. The NYT is in deep shit. Their readership has been dropping, advertising revenue is down, and their stock price has been cut in half. Is this their corrective action by hiring Bill Kristol?

"Spud knows it's yuer first post and all but seriously yer living in LaLa land if you believe anything you just wrote."

GEORGEK....don't let ol' SpudButt bother ya' none. You see, he's just an old impotent Canadian sitting up there in Vancouver eating tofu and drinking latte while being envious of all of us here in the U.S. He wants SO BADLY to be able to vote in our elections and to determine who is and is not hired by the New York Times. Posts like yours make his ass want to chew tobacco because he REALIZES that all he can do to vent his frustration is to rant and rave all over the DR.
He obviously has no influence in his own country so is trying to become a prophet in ours. I think it was Jesus who said, "A prophet is not without honor except in his own country." They ignore him up there, that's why he tries to bug us. I keep trying to convince him that if he'll just send a huge donation to the U.S. Treasury, they'll send him an absentee ballot to vote in Alaska's primary.
So...don't let the ol' BogApple intimidate ya'. Just skip over those long, irrelevant messages he posts if you want, but I read them for entertainment. They are amusing at times, but when he gets on one of those long rants against the U.S., I find myself pitying him. He's only here because he has found a couple of little friends who compliment him from time to time. It IS sad that he has lost all rspect and credibility in his own country and has to find solace in a country he seems to despise.

OZZIE

The last time I watched an interview with Bill Kristol he was plenty pissed at the Bush administration for fucking up his Perfect Plan (PNAC).

He made no secret how he felt about how the incompetence of George Bush ruined everything the neo-cons so carefully crafted.

I have no real idea of what he plans to do with his NYT column but I strongly suspect he's looking toward 2012 a "new" New Conservative Party . . . sans any of the current blunderers . . . to strike once again at the nuts and bolts that hold this country together. If the neo-cons can marginalize this country and all it stands for in the world, their battle is half done.

Right now the freedoms that we hold dear are very much in the way of the ultimate neo-con objective.

Fuel prices are restricting travel, home ownership is becoming harder to obtain, jobs are hemorrhaging, poverty is increasing, the dollar is falling, the national debt is staggering . . . all of which evenutally lead to a country too marginalized to protect itself from invasion . . . not from an outside source, but from within our own borders and a system of neo-con governance that has no other objective than to systematically and incrementally destroy everything that stands in their path.

Bill Kristol is a neo-con, through and through.

"he's betting that his moderate social positions will win the day in the bigger and bluer states."

You forgot "better" and "more civilized."

Rudy don't need no stinking red states to win the GOP nomination. All he really has to capture are the blue states.

My prediction: Rudy will hit his stride around the third week of July.

Ater that, it's Katie bar the doors!

My prediction: Rudy will hit his stride around the third week of July.

Ater that, it's Katie bar the doors!

Lord, I hope so!

The votes will be much easier to count when Hillary's margin of victory exceeds any possible doubt.

Nothing would please me more than Rudy's GOP nomination. I probably wouldn't even stay up for the returns.

""Dear Liberal Assholes. The NYT is in deep shit. Their readership has been dropping, advertising revenue is down, and their stock price has been cut in half. Is this their corrective action by hiring Bill Kristol?"

Ah, so to "save" the paper they bring in guys like Kristol who have been completely wrong about the Middle East and let them write op-eds as if they really have any bearing on the truth.
I accurately predicted the Sunni-Shia conflict while the pompous war crime neocon said that secularism would prevail. If I know more than Kristol then obviously the NYT is just pandering to right wing nuts to sell papers. Hell, no intelligent human being would ever read Bill O, but he's in lots of papers...it gives the morons something to read.

***** New York Times Hires Bill Kristol ******

......was Crusty the Clown not available ?......

Danni Predictable...has "this weird fear of opposing views...."

Yeah Kerrin, "opposing views" like Iraq will remain a secular society. Let's try "intelligent" views in place of "opposing" and perhaps you have a point. If you aren't convinced of the stupidity of the Iraq invasion yet then I've got a bridge for you in Brooklyn. The oil will pay for it.

Want to be a New York Times columnist?

Embrace endless war, hate Arabs, fellate Israel, never apologise for issuing countless bogus accounts about Iraq, the terror "threat' and WMDs.

William Kristol, welcome to your new gig.

Antony Loewenstein

MORAL CLARITY

I am wondering if there is some connection to Newsweek, left leaning, hiring Karl Rove and the New york Times hiring Bill Kristol. At this same time there is a concern that the FCC is considering certain proposals that would result in a further relaxation of the rules governing broadcast media ownership.In a letter from Senator Bill Nelson of Florida, he says,"I am concerned that any further relaxation of the ownership limits would allow large media companies to dominate the market, thus discouraging diversity and harming lacalism." Am I getting paranoid that I again have a fear of the secrecy shown by this administration?
Buy up the media, and gradually putting strong Republicans in newspapers?

I am wondering if there is some connection to Newsweek, left leaning, hiring Karl Rove and the New york Times hiring Bill Kristol. At this same time there is a concern that the FCC is considering certain proposals that would result in a further relaxation of the rules governing broadcast media ownership.In a letter from Senator Bill Nelson of Florida, he says,"I am concerned that any further relaxation of the ownership limits would allow large media companies to dominate the market, thus discouraging diversity and harming lacalism." Am I getting paranoid that I again have a fear of the secrecy shown by this administration?
Buy up the media, and gradually putting strong Republicans in newspapers?
Posted by disgusted at 2007-12-31 01:51 PM

Clear Channel, AT&T/Nextel/Sprint/etc are all heavily involved. Even C2C is a parody with Punnett at the helm. I might punch him in the face for Jesus sake, but he's probably quite gluey from the moral hemorrhaging. CNN is almost unwatchable. Don Lemon acts shady.. possibly an affair at work? Anyhow, I couldn't believe this morning when I heard an anchor sum up the "allegations" of Bhutto's assassination with "well, there are shell casings in streets all over Pakistan."