I wonder if they will take back his reinlistment bonus. Yellow ribbons are not enough. Support the troops by getting them the hell back with their families.
They have paid the price for W's incompetence.

Professional soldiers who volunteer and are paid to fight wars for the empire should not be permitted to take the easy way out. Anyone wearing the uniform who commits suicide should be shot.

what do you do when even the troops dont support the troops

I thought this was quoting the Young Republicans.

I can certainly understand how it gets to this point.

You're sent out on a mission and not permitted to fire until fired upon.

You're in constant fear that your Politicians at home will bring you up on murder charges, etc. etc. etc.

It ain't pretty when you're asked to fight but not allowed to fight until you're dead right dead.

Kris P Bacon

There is no army to fight. Who do you want to allow the soldiers to shoot?

This is what happens when you take combat troops and force them to be peace keepers with no training and little support.

The brilliance in Iraq by Cheney/Rumsfeld/Bush seems to last forever.

and how typical is it that news of people like this makes our little site but little if anything on the ones who have volunteered and who risk thier lives for us each and every day, most of which go back even after being wounded. we hear little if anything about them, but this group is heroes to our leftists bros here on the retort......
so typical that you are searching for every negative news you can find as things get better and better......even though slowly.......
these men and women volunteered and made a committment....one that has to be honored by them and by us.

That's right BLT we shouldn't make a single peep about OUR country attacking another without justification, wasting hundreds of billions of OUR money, OUR country desroying the lives of innocents in Irq and OUR country destroying the lives of Americans in Iraq.

BLT I know you are a bit older but surely you could enlist? They are accepting anyone at this point.

BL2

Nice attack on soldiers who have served our country well.

They didn't want to go back because they were afraid of killing innocent people in revenge for their fallen friends. It sounds like a responsible response to me. Their friends died for nothing. Attacks on them from people at home like you don't help thngs either.

Way to attack the troops. Expected of fascists like yourself. Now go back to waving the flag and supporting the troops.

now what would the army do with an alcoholic bad golfer?

BLT I know you are a bit older but surely you could enlist? They are accepting anyone at this point

Not true. You age minus prior service has to be less than 36

now what would the army do with an alcoholic bad golfer?

Let him go tee up some IEDS?

now what would the army do with an alcoholic bad golfer?

Posted by byrdman at 2007-12-18 04


good one.........


and it is just another typical day in the neighborhood when you putz's try and tell me that I am attacking the troops......your little ploy might work in the media with some dumbshit from arkansas or mississippi, but it doesnt work here..

as far as the serving goes....my standard answer is a question.....
what is your view on abortion?

what is your view on abortion?

Posted by bushlovertwo at 2007-12-18 05:02 PM | Reply | Flag


That your mama should most definitely have had the procedure prior to putting your sorry, air wasting carcass on the planet.

Professional soldiers who volunteer and are paid to fight wars for the empire should not be permitted to take the easy way out. Anyone wearing the uniform who commits suicide should be shot.
Posted by bowzer at 2007-12-18 11:50 AM

Dude, they have NATIONAL GUARD doing 5 consecutive tours. Get a fucking clue rather than advocating murder and furthering an untenable situation.

Any ideas how to alleviate their distress other than the barrel of a gun? Didn't think so.

as far as the serving goes....my standard answer is a question.....
what is your view on abortion?


Are there days when you actually make sense? Just curious. Also, did you know that CLINTON GOT A BLOWJOB?!?!!

since you cant get the nuance let me explain it.

if you dont have a vagina, you have no right to an opinon on abortion..

makes as much sense as you telling me that if I didnt serve, I have no right to an opinion on the war.........

i guess the military is not about death and killing anymore.....it must be about college and money now....must be a big surprise when going to the war zone..... that it would have been easier to get a tuition or make money else where.....imagine if the draft was in place.....U
Signed
Motherfucking
Contract

combat is hard... if these troops feel they need to murder to have peace....i say let them go on a killing spree....it beats having to follow ROEs because our civilians at home have issues about the way the war is being fought

AMERICA...this is what you get for fighting a clean war

BL2

When you attack troops, you should understand that you are attacking troops. Don't you understand that? Probably not. You probably think it is just fine to attack troops who disagree with you. After all, they are just Phony Soldiers. Rush said so.

;-)

judas.....well put, not real nice thoughts all the way through....but well put.

AMERICA...this is what you get for fighting a clean war

Posted by judas at 2007-12-18 05:26 PM


Next time we'll try it against someone who was a threat to us---and has an army.

AMERICA...this is what you get for fighting a clean war

Posted by judas at 2007-12-18 05:26 PM


The war ended way back in 2003. It was a stunning victory and we were greeted as liberators, with rose petals and chocolates. We're just making things even better for the grateful Iraqis now. We didn't go around shooting the French or the Belgians did we?
You guys really need to check out the White House website and keep up to date.

bob.....you are not talking about what I said just like you are not talking about what rush really said....just what the media wants him to have said....same way with me.....
I know what I was saying and it wasnt an attack against the troops.....now I will say that when troops refuse to follow orders, they should be disciplined.....and its no great stretch to see that liberals think that they should be praised and not disciplined......you can see that with the public school system.......

As a veteran, I say McKinney was messed up to begin with. The man should get no honor in the way he ended his life. Stress sucks, but many a man has gone through similar/worse things and not offed hisself in such a cowardly method.

Bl2

I heard EXACTLY what Rush said. Directly from his site. He called all soldiers who disagreed with him phony soldiers.

If you say he didn't say that--I say LINK? No link---you're a liar too.

;-)

NG3....i do not remember anybody saying the war was over in 2003

Goatman, it's 42 for the Guard, and you can add your AD years up to 49, if I remember correctly. 36 is for AD.

What about "Mission Accomplished"?

BLT....you are right....i was a little harsh...but its was more of a way to explain to the idiots of DR...what our military job is about.....i think they forget that our military is about death and destruction.....DRs here think that you can fight wars clean without there being some sort of back lash....well hope this story serves as a reminder that war is a dirty and dangerous job that is NOT for everybody.....so in closing...DO NOT JOIN THE MILITARY IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO KILL...WATCH YOUR BUDDIES DIE....LIVE IN PAIN...LIVE WITH BAD MEMORIES...BE GONE FOR LONG PERIODS OF TIME AWAY FROM HOME WITH NO DATE TO RETURN....WORKING IN A DANGEROUS ENVIORMENT.....WAKE UP!!!!

JO....what mission do you think was ACCOMPLISHED???if you say major combat operations...then what does major combat operations mean to you



the last i heard MISSION ACCOMPLISHED....does not translate to VICTORY IN IRAQ

and how typical is it that news of people like this makes our little site but little if anything on the ones who have volunteered and who risk thier lives for us each and every day

BLT, when was the last time you posted a story on the DR, and what, oh what, was it about?

The last I heard "Victory in Iraq" it was Halliburton cashing a billion dollar check.

one that has to be honored by them and by us.

Posted by bushlovertwo at 2007-12-18 04:46 PM

Go fuck yourself, Old Man.

JO...so thats as far as your retort goes....a political rant...not surprising

who risk thier lives for us each and every day,



Our troops are risking their lives for the Iraq people. If anyone one thinks we are safer because of this war you dont understand how these fundamentalist work. We are fighting them over there so the Bush/Chenny people can make money over there and for no other reason

JUDAS

You've said time and time again that the only brave soldier is one who speaks up through words or deeds and protests the war in uniform.

Since that's what these guys are doing at risk of prosecution what do you say?

does rcade really think this site contributes anything anymore? Anything that isn't completely negated by the posts that follow every story?

This is what it boils down to, every last redacted time:

Lib poster: See, I told you so.
Con poster: You're a cowardly and unamerican fool who deserves to die.
Lib poster: Am NOT!!
Con poster: I can't wait until its finally open season on you jerks.
Lib poster: But your facts are wrong.
Con poster: Facts are for the reality based crowd, we deal in action. And the media has a liberal bias.
Lib poster: Argh! WTF?!!
Con poster: Ha Ha.

And on and on it goes, ad infinitum...

Every good idea turns to crap over time, I guess.

AU....i was talking about senior commissioned officers....not enlisted.....i never said it was ok for any enlisted personell to speak out in uniform...EVER....and i never said it was ok for Jr.commisioned officers to speak out in uniform....EVER


when we disscussed speaking out in uniform....it tended to be about generals....and i still maintain that position

ANY GENERAL THAT SPEAKS OUT IN UNIFORM IS OK IN MY BOOK....ITS THE DUTY OF THE GENERAL TO SEE THAT OUR TROOPS HAVE ENOUGH EQUIPMENT AND A SOLID PLAN TO ENSURE VICTORY FOR OUR TROOPS IN HARMS WAY

and how typical is it that news of people like this makes our little site but little if anything on the ones who have volunteered and who risk thier lives for us each and every day, most of which go back even after being wounded. we hear little if anything about them, but this group is heroes to our leftists bros here on the retort......
so typical that you are searching for every negative news you can find as things get better and better......even though slowly.......
these men and women volunteered and made a committment....one that has to be honored by them and by us.

Posted by bushlovertwo at 2007-12-18 04:46 PM | Reply |

Don't hate the troops BL2... they are too busy fighting and dying to bother cheerleading for your talking points.

Every good idea turns to crap over time, I guess.

Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2007-12-18 07:20 PM | Reply |

I'd argue that if you learn to identify and ignore the trolls, willfully ignorant, and morbidly stupid this site is pretty damn good and we have some decent discussions on here.

BLT I know you are a bit older but surely you could enlist? They are accepting anyone at this point.

Posted by furio

Not true. You age minus prior service has to be less than 36

Posted by goatman

BLT could get in if they used Vermin's calculator.

Every good idea turns to crap over time, I guess.
Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2007-12-18 07:20 PM

I'd argue that if you learn to identify and ignore the trolls, willfully ignorant, and morbidly stupid this site is pretty damn good and we have some decent discussions on here.
Posted by KnightHawk at 2007-12-18 08:16 PM

Absolutely! It's the second reason for paying for internet. How stupid - Thee Internet, a literally "free" resource is capped through parasitic Comcast subscriptions, tarnishing the literal spirit of free speech. They are trying to squelsh free wi-fi everywhere.. probably already put a Norwegian in the boilerroom someplace.

I attempt to distance myself from insult or pander out of respect for peoples character and an honest understanding that blogging is somewhat cathartic in a world less graffiti and more politti. This site is plenty of public grinding, some quite educational, but mostly I like the sense of comradery. Well, loosely put. No, I do like the pander - that's something I could use occasionally. Especially if it involves the sticky purpley-green kind that I wish I could share bowl of right now. I had to carry it home via light rail in a mason jar. Police stopped me for jay-walking - through a crosswalk, after looking around - no traffic. My pockets were stuffed with ticket stubs, so Cop#1 rhetorically states "you take the bus often?" Handing a couple tickets to his buddy to help check, I look up at him, my dark green eyes evenly meeting his wintery clear blue and calmly state, "Actually, I do and the ticket is in one of these pockets." That's when he asks for my ID and runs it for warrants. Humorless dick. Mid-pant-pissing I found my ticket, shown him and he states "I'm giving you a warning this time. Jay-walking is a crime, just like running a red light."

To be honest, they were embarrassed because I'm rather articulate with police. I was so amazingly stoned until I saw them target me from behind the bushes at the crosswalk. They stepped out and toward me, instant sobriety!

Stankiest dank evr.

Who cares?

They decided as a platoon that they were done, DeNardi and Cardenas said, as did several other members of 2nd Platoon. At mental health, guys had told the therapist, "I'm going to murder someone."

Very brave men. The consequences of what they are doing is severe. The consequences of them simply going out and murdering someone, as they say they will likely do, are next to none.

These are the kinds of troops you want on that wall when the time comes. Not ruined before they are ever truely needed, and now just broken when the real danger arrives.

They deserve honourable discharge and help to heal. Not only that, recognition for being so well put together that they knew better than to just let it all fall apart horribly.

There are plenty to take their places righties. Give these men their due. Nothing. Absolutely nothing detracts from the W's mission from god to concede these men are right.

Regards,
etc.

Who cares?
Posted by JOE at 2007-12-18 09:24 PM

You surpass Tim & Eric for brilliant verbal pistoleering! Keep that flaccid thing in your pants, this isn't HOLLYWOOD.

So why do you keep posting worthless insults? ;]

That wasn't an insult. It was a legitimate question.

Hello everyone,

It's good to be back from afghanistan.

To speak to this thread, those of you who havent been to either of these wars, it is hard to imagine what me and other's like me have seen. I did temporary duty in iraq (a week or so), as well as a year in OEF. All I know is radical islam HAS to be defeated. Girls were hung there for READING BOOKS. Teen aged boys were hung for having american dollars in their pockets. Women were beaten for having their feet exposed outside of their husbands presence. I dont care what you people's political affiliation is. We can NEVER let these animals come to our shores. I have always been conservative on this site. But after what I have been through this last year, I know I will never see the liberal point of view. No amount of talking or negotiating will appease Islamic radicals. Say what you want, I have seen it with my own eyes. I honestly think afghanistan is on the road to a sustainable democracy. I dont know about Iraq yet. I know there are people there who genuinely want it in both countries. But they mostly are too afraid of those who dont negotiate, afraid of those who would behead for not adhearing to a religion. They are the ones who have to be protected. I might not agree with bush's tactics, BUT BUSH IS RIGHT. We CANNOT fail in this endeavor. To leave these fragile democracies would really endanger the U.S. back home by embolding our enemies, and making them feel they could really stand up to us. They must be defeated, they must be killed, there is no other way to put it. Radical Islam will not back down, liberals must be made to understand that we cannot back down as well and violence is the only way to ensure our way of life and those of our allies. We have to stop this politically correct way of life, we have to stop ruining our traditional ways, of accepting other's culture and ignoring or replacing our own. Our culture is our identity and the progressive movement is causing us to eat ourselves. To those who gave me their best wishes over the last year, thanks for all your support...

Boaz

BOAZ....YOU MEN ARE DOING A GREAT JOB....BUT DO NOT WORRY ABOUT THE CUT THROAT POLITICS THAT GO ON AT HOME.....YOU JUST WORRY ABOUT YOUR MEN AND MAKE SURE THEY GET HOME SAFELY....AND WE WILL TRY TO MAKE SURE THEY DO NOT DIE IN VAIN BY CLEARING A PATH FOR VICTORY

"Posted by boaz"

Well look who's back.

We were just talking about you.

Extreme, radical, "conservatism" is what the fight is against Boaz.

Hardly something a "liberal" is against. They were last called to duty when the previous scourge ran rampant across Asia and Europe and did a fine job fighting it.

You are mistaking an insane gambit for oil with the legitimate danger that is radical Islam.

By the way, I know plenty of Muslims. They're fine people with no interest what so ever in radical extremists. Sorta like Liberals have no interest what so ever in them as well.

The faith isn't the issue. Radical extremism is the issue.

Regards,
etc.

Point Taken, perfectstorm...

A very sad and understandable story -- "several platoon members were afraid their anger could set loose a massacre."

A lot more of us than we realize would probably be like that First Sergeant McKinney, a bit perfectionist and struggling to deal with internal cognitive dissonance. Hell, if you're an idiot like the Commander in Chief, or a wacko militarist like the military industrialist VPOTUS, or a meglomaniac like the former SECDEF, or a lying pansy like the MOF-winning former CIA chief Tenet, then the internal mental struggles of extraordinary Americans like First Sergeant McKinney wouldn't make a hill of beans to you. But if you're a ground pounding ethical leader in a confusing, dark and twisted war of political choice, where everything is 90% mental, then you may find yourself sucked into the vortex. First Sergeant McKinney did and his people correctly recognized that their emotions would lead themn to respond irrationally. Given the risks that would have presented versus the needs of the Army, any good commander should have recognized the risk and pulled them off the streets ASAP! No further questions asked.

"The faith isn't the issue. Radical extremism is the issue."

Conservatives don't get it.

And anything that wants to harm America is automatically associated with the left.

Furthermore, what they don't get, is the fact that when they say things like that, it hardly unites the country making it stronger...causing further damage.

I disagree Vehamently with You Boaz but it's Grand to see You alive and kicking. Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to You and Yours.

Larry Mohr

BOAZ...the people that disagree with you have never set foot in the ME....believe me i know what you are talking about...you just have to be in the ME before 9-11 and you could have seen the storm brewing a mile away


to people like LARRY....it all seems like it all just came up yesterday

"..believe me i know what you are talking about..."

How could you...you're in grammar school, for God's sake...?

Lisa and Larry,

It's good to be back, thanks for your well wishes and I see drudges biggest liberals are still in the house...

Good night all...

And I mean liberals in a good way :)

Boaz

"I know plenty of Muslims. They're fine people with no interest what so ever in radical extremists."

Okay.

Given the fact that you most likely have no interest in radical extremism either, that would be normal.

Does that mean that the mindset of the muslims you know generalizes to that of muslims in the world at large, specifically those in the middle east?

Let me restate that,

Drudges probably only common sense liberals :)

Boaz

"And I mean liberals in a good way :)"

Yea, I believe that after reading your post above.

Furthermore, if I was such liberal why would I have voted for republicans and still plan to depending on the candidate?

I suppose in your republican black and white book, anyone who disagrees with you is automatically a liberal.

Go to bed. You obviously need your rest.

DAN...as usual your retort goes as far as beibg the grammar police....good job in accomplishing nothing..yam eb uyo hsould pslel hceck em oto sashleo

Well, Judas, please put me right...

What grade ARE you in?

DAN...i do not have to PUT you nothing ....you are a asshole plain and simple....you are a political hack thats says nothing...you have never made a point to me....so why should i even bother with you....go fuck off

...you just have to be in the ME before 9-11 and you could have seen the storm brewing a mile away

Incredibly, I have to agree with this. And, you could see the storm brewing in America against the ME as well.

It was propaganda on both sides, stacking the deck against one another.

Does that mean that the mindset of the muslims you know generalizes to that of muslims in the world at large, specifically those in the middle east?

ALternatively, you could ask the opposite. And get the same answer.

Something like the statistic that 5% of the population is psychopathic. The rest can be generally trusted.

Regards,
etc.

"you have never made a point to me"

Yes he has. I've seen them.

"so why should i even bother with you"

Well, if you really thought your argument had any strength to it, you would

"go fuck off"

Tsk, Tsk!

"DAN...i do not have to PUT you nothing ....you are a asshole plain and simple....you are a political hack thats says nothing...you have never made a point to me....so why should i even bother with you....go fuck off"

Translation: Sixth grade.

i do not have to PUT you nothing?!?!?

BOAZ...the people that disagree with you have never set foot in the ME....believe me i know what you are talking about...you just have to be in the ME before 9-11 and you could have seen the storm brewing a mile away


to people like LARRY....it all seems like it all just came up yesterday

Posted by judas

Yeah, that's why I was against supporting Saddam in the 1980's when short sighted Saint Reagan and Rumsfeld were his butt buddies. Liberals have ALWAYS been against religious extremists. You know why? Because religious extremists are conservatives, that's why.
If it was up to liberals, we would be conserving gasoline and we would have cut off Saudi Arabia long ago.
Don't give us any bullshit about not knowing what goes on in the mid-east when your president has been cozying up to Saudi Royals his entire life.
And before you bring it up, the $10 million they tossed at the Clinton library is a pittance.

LISA....oh you got me there....great job....good going....here is a cookie

LIBERAL LEFT

Judas...

Why can't you be truthful and answer a direct question?

What year are you in school, or, failing that, what year were you born?

RASTA....the ME is not a partisan issue for the US....its a world issue

all im saying that WE DID NOT START THE FIRE IT WAS ALWAYS BURNING SINCE THE WOLRD WAS TURNING


GOOD NIGHT except for DAN and BITCH...you can go fuck off and die of aids

"LISA....oh you got me there....great job....good going....here is a cookie"

LOL

Settle down muffin!!

How about this exercise Judas,

Why don't you run down a list of your favorite conservative issues and ask yourself where Osama bin Laden would stand on each one of them? Ask yourself where the typical reactionary "Islamofascist" would stand on some of the pet issues that conservatives like to bray about.

If you're capable of being honest with yourself, you might learn something.

"GOOD NIGHT except for DAN and BITCH...you can go fuck off and die of aids"

Further translation: Fifth grade.

You know what they say: throw a rock at a pack of dogs, and the one that whelps is the one who got hit.

So sorry Jud-ee....BUSTED!

Looks like Judas r-u-n-o-f-t. Maybe he had to meet a man about some pieces of silver.

Judas,

I think I am going to make use of the Abusive flag for that one.

I'm not offended that you are a bottom dweller. But I do think that was abuse.

Regards,
etc.

TPS, please don't.

Just like 5th-graders can't "premeditate" murder, they can't knowingly post abuse.

Inadvertent humor, yes...but not abuse. Not to anyone who recognizes grammar school "logic".

Thanks.

**** now what would the army do with an alcoholic bad golfer?

Posted by byrdman *****

......do you mean Bush or BLT.?........

**** now what would the army do with an alcoholic bad golfer?

Posted by byrdman *****

......do you mean Bush or BLT.?........



ah yes.........its good to be thought of even when you arent there.......some people just have that kind of effect on everything.


but just read through the thread and you will see the leftists saluting our volunteers who talk about deserting thier post which also means deserting their fellow soldiers.......and yet the left wont take the time to even mention the men and women who are there and will stay there except for chris's list on sunday.......and even that is used by some for their political purpose at times..........


and oh yes....
LISA IS AS LIBERAL AS MOST HERE......just disagree with her sometime and all of the liberal bad qualities will all come out..
just wait and read what she has to say about this comment............hee hee

"LISA IS AS LIBERAL AS MOST HERE......just disagree with her sometime and all of the liberal bad qualities will all come out..
just wait and read what she has to say about this comment"

You killed more brain cells last night didn't you Bushlover? Do you think that was wise, since you don't have many to spare??

I disagree with this "war". I dislike Bush. If that makes me a liberal in your eyes, then so be it.

Unlike you, I prefer to look at the big picture in politics. You're head is so far up the GOP's ass, you can't see it.

Are you done now? Or do I need to bitch slap you all across this site as usual?? : )

Or do I need to bitch slap you all across this site as usual??

oh baby........I have been a bad boy MISTRESS LISA......I will take whatever punishment you want to give me..........


( I TOLD you to keep all of this to our 'privates' line).............lol

and now thats out of the way........

my statement stands......leftist here are quick to salute only two kinds of soldiers and its been this way the entire duration........they love soldiers who desert because they can use that for politics and they use soldiers who die because they are put into the casuality total and thats good for them politically..........otherwise , they have no use for virtually any soldier, at least if you count the number of articles and things about each group thats in the media.

this generation in no way among the best -it is spoiled selfcentered and whiny-when you volunteer to serve you sign up for all that goes with it -which means you don't have a choice in where you serve-most of the military knows this -that is what makes those(few) who don't news