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Thursday, December 13, 2007

A federal jury in Miami acquitted one man and the judge declared a mistrial Thursday against the six others charged with trying to join forces with al-Qaida in attacks against the Chicago Sears Tower and the Miami FBI headquarters.

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The positives of this case though are that the FBI and some private governmental contractors made some very easy money bopping and charading around Miami plus Bush & Cheney now feel more vindicated on torture and their Guantanamo Bay concentration camp,seeing that US democracy and law have once again failed them and their visionary "New American Century" plans!

Amazing this case was allowed to fall apart in open Court. Next time---No Court at all. That will show them.

Makes you wonder if the wrong people were on trial. This Bush administration seems to be synonomous with moronic acts. So is anyone keeping count of how many terrorist plots were disrupted By the Bush kool-aid drinkers? Is it down to zero or are they in negative numbers yet?

Speaking of which, would the Bush administrations blowing the cover of their CIA operatives in Africa count as enabling terrorist plots overseas?

These so called terrorists were some Muslim kids that were kind of low IQ pot smoking street delinquents, that the feds came to and said,
"Hey, How would you guys like to make some big cash? You would! Ok here, put on these clothes and lets make some videos. OK, now say death to America, and hold up a koran."
That is basically the extent of terror in America.
The war on terror is based on real terror. The terror that the federal government is trying to generate in the American people.
IT'S A BIG LIE. So they can keep pumping your tax money into their war grinder and push forward their New World Order draconian laws.

Members of WeAreChange UK confront Peter power of visor consultants. Visor is a consultancy agency with government and police connections which was running an exercise for an unnamed company that revolved around the London Underground being bombed at the exact same times and locations as happened in real life on the morning of July 7th.

On a BBC Radio 5 interview that aired on the evening of the 7th, the host interviewed Peter Power, Managing Director of Visor Consultants,

Peter Power was a former Scotland Yard official, working at one time with the Anti Terrorist Branch.

Power told the host that at the exact same time that the London bombings were taking place, his company was running a 1,000 person strong exercise which drilled the London Underground being bombed at the exact same locations, at the exact same times, as happened in real life.
www.youtube.com

Obama Supports Homegrown Terrorism Bill
Jessica Lee
The Indypendent
December 10, 2007

The House version of the bill, H.R. 1955, passed Oct. 23 by a vote of 404-6 under the "suspension of the rules," a provision that is available to quickly pass bills considered "non-controversial."

Many scholars, historians and civil liberties experts say they fear that the proposed bill will set the stage for future criminal legislation that be used against U.S.-based groups engaged in legal but unpopular political activism, ranging from political Islamists to animal-rights and environmental campaigners to radical right-wing organizations.

"This bill fits the pattern we are seeing coming out of Congress both Republican and Democratic of a continued campaign of fear, which gets into heads of Americans that we now need to start criminalizing ideology," said Alejandro Queral, executive director of the Northwest Constitutional Rights Center. He said he is very concerned about the bill's vague definitions of "violent radicalization," "homegrown terrorism," and the terms within the definitions including "extremist belief system," "violence" and "force."

Many scholars, historians and civil liberties experts say they fear that the proposed bill will set the stage for future criminal legislation that be used against U.S.-based groups engaged in legal but unpopular political activism, ranging from political Islamists to animal-rights and environmental campaigners to radical right-wing organizations.

"This bill fits the pattern we are seeing coming out of Congress both Republican and Democratic of a continued campaign of fear, which gets into heads of Americans that we now need to start criminalizing ideology," said Alejandro Queral, executive director of the Northwest Constitutional Rights Center. He said he is very concerned about the bill's vague definitions of "violent radicalization," "homegrown terrorism," and the terms within the definitions including "extremist belief system," "violence" and "force."

"What is an extremist belief system? Who defines this?" Queral questioned. "Planes flying into the World Trade Center is an extremist belief, but are anti-abortion activists extremists? Are individuals who liberate mink extremists? These are broad definitions that encompass so much, which need to rather be very narrowly tailored. It is criminalizing thought and ideology, rather than criminal activity."

Jules Boykoff, an assistant professor of politics and government at Pacific University and author of Beyond Bullets: The Suppression of Dissent in the United States, told The Indypendent said he is concerned about how the government is broadening the definition of terrorism.

"Section 802 of the USA PATRIOT Act is a law that created a new brand of terrorists, the domestic terrorist.' Under this definition, the civil rights work Martin Luther King, Jr. did could have been construed as an act of domestic terrorism," Boykoff said.

In a Nov. 30 Common Dreams article, Homegrown' Suppression of Dissent,' Boykoff provided a historical-based critique of who could be included under the umbrella definition of terrorism. "Even a cursory look backward through U.S. history reveals heroic figures who could be dubbed violent radicals' or homegrown terrorists' under the proposed bill, from U.S. revolutionaries like Sam Adams to gun-toting slavery abolitionists like John Brown to militant civil-rights organizers like Malcolm X and Martin Luther King, Jr."

www.truthnews.us

Sorry about the double cut and paste!
Just go to the link and read the article.

Hey! No problem, Jeff. We all understand you angst over being entrapped into a terrorist cell! No one likes the idea that they could be fooled into attacking their own nation ...

Besides, now that the Dane population is becoming uncomfortable with foreign workers and their efforts to form a seperate society within Denmark, we know that you are sensitive about being another one of those foreigners in a country looking to close their borders to your terrorist friends: Islam.

I hope you can continue to suck off of the Danish welfare program ... and stay the hell out of the USA!

Good luck ...

....d stay the hell out of the USA!

Good luck ...


Posted by tadowe at 2007-12-14 03:44 AM |


Now, now Tadowe, is that any way to treat people?
Where's your Christmas spirit? Tis' the holiday season and the time when Tadowe should love all mankind -- even those he thinks are treasonous, islamo-facist, traitorous, scum-sucking evil democratics. *smile*

I love you TAD.
You give credence to my angst.

BTW Tad,
The Danish economy is so strong right now they are hurting for workers.
Companies are advertising in German, Polish, and other news papers to come here and work.
Do you need a job?

"... even those he thinks are treasonous, islamo-facist, traitorous, scum-sucking evil democratics."

Someone asked for the Libertarian "platform" ...

We know what the Democratic platform has been, since the war started in Iraq: LOSE THE WAR! SUBVERT ITS SUCCESS! SAY THAT IT HAS BEEN LOST! CALL ANY DEMOCRAT THAT DISAGREES SOME NAMES (Preferably NEOCON but TRAITOR will do)!

It's YOUR party, Chris ... and you're a sleazy member, or you'll disavow them ...

Tad,
God loves you! Even if you are a moron.
So cheer up!

Jeff says, "BTW Tad, [t]he Danish economy is so strong right now they are hurting for workers. Companies are advertising in German, Polish, and other news papers to come here and work. Do you need a job?"

Yeah, but are they advertising in Farsi and Arabic?

Actually, I think that Denmark will make a fine Islamic nation, once you all get through apologising to them for attacking your embassy in Tehran. After all, every Dane is responsible to Islam for cartoons vilifying Muhammed.

Just too bad it isn't Christians, right? You Leftists and, or Democratics can print cartoons and vilify them all the live long day ... no prob ...

It must be super fun to be a world class hypocrite, Jeff, how does it make you feel to bow to Islam?

Hey! I hope you're already circumcised!

Thanks for the laugh TAD,
FF for TAD!

Hey! I hope you're already circumcised!

Do th muslims do that, too?

Yes they do. Isn't it funny how much Muslims and Jews have in common?

Thanks, Jeff, and it is funny that Danes are so dependent on oil, that they bow and scrape to Iran, after the embassy was attacked, and because it was DEMANDED in order to continue to acquire your energy ...

It is funny that while Americans whine about $3 dollar a gallon gasoline, you all pay more than $8, while having your noses held to the ground as ME has its foot on your collective necks.

What a scream, as your Danish young people find themselves shut out of entry level jobs to such a degree that they produce cartoon riots -- those ugly criminals forcing you all to bow and scrape to Islam ...

Put those children in jail!

TADOWE

It's YOUR party, Chris ... and you're a sleazy member, or you'll disavow them ...

Posted by tadowe at 2007-12-14 04:14 AM



I've disavowed both parties. For the zillionth time -- I am not a member of either the Democrat or the Republican party. I am a registered independent and became one over a year ago.

You could say I've joined the millions who are now leaving both parties to become a "Lou Dobbs' independent." The kind of "independent" he describes in his latest book linked below. Lou Dobbs is a real American and if he ran for President I would vote for him in a snap!
-
LOU DOBBS' NEW BOOK - "INDEPENDENTS DAY"

See??? Here's ONE!!!

"Isn't it funny how much Muslims and Jews have in common?"

And ... the vast majority of medical doctors in the United States, as well as around the world and of whatever religion!

Your support of Islam is becoming pretty apparent, Jeff, or should I say Mamud?

Actually Denmark buys most of its oil from Q8. a Brittish owned kuwait based oil company. Ally to the US.

Chris says, "I've disavowed both parties. For the zillionth time -- I am not a member of either the Democrat or the Republican party. I am a registered independent and became one over a year ago."

Unreal! I've been here some little while, Chris, and I've seen you badmouth this war, over and over and over again ...

Go fool another Leftist, if you're not a Democratic ....

I'm a registered Republican. Just like you TAD.
Yeehay! Lets walk arm in arm to a new America Tad.

Ron Paul 2008!

I didn't know bad mouthing the war made you a democrat?
Hitlery is for the war? Does that make her a republican?
I'm so confused!

Unreal! I've been here some little while, Chris, and I've seen you badmouth this war, over and over and over again ...

Of course I've bad mouthed it. It was a "war of choice" (the war in Iraq, not the war in Afghanistan) and has done nothing for our country, or the country of Iraq, but sure has made billions for Bush's corporate war profiteers. How did you like being lied to, Tadowe? Did it make you feel good Bush lied to you and all of us about the reasons he needed to start a war in Iraq? Make you proud of him?

70% or more in this country -- including many military families -- see this war in Iraq for the mess it is. Now we just have to figure a way to get the hell out of there without leaving it a powder keg of Islamic radicalism -- something it was NOT until Bush went in there.

But in reality I know we will never leave Iraq. If we do then the oil reserves will be taken over by those (Communist China, for one) who could really be our enemy down the road. Iraq was NEVER a threat to our country. How could a small nation in the middle of the desert -- with NO army, NO navy, NO air force -- be a threat to the strongest military fighting machine in the world? Did Saddam scare you?

YOU think showing disapproval of this President is equal to being disloyal to our country. Quite the opposite. If you love this country you will not follow those (Bush and his band of Neocons) who harm it by taking us into unnecessary wars based on lies. I was behind us going into Afghanistan after 9-11. WHERE'S BIN LADIN? Why hasn't your hero Bush found him yet?

Okay, Tadowe, going to finish up my Christmas cards now while I sit here so that's my last response for an hour or so. Maybe JeffNDenmark or TwinPac (if he shows up) can keep you busy!

Jeff wonders, "Hitlery is for the war? Does that make her a republican?"

Why, look here! I mention calling names for anyone who supports defeating terrorism in this war, and who should start doing so?

"I'm so confused!"

As are all Leftists and, or Democratics, but who don't normally whine about it like some commie crybaby ...

Listen, Chris, I don't care what names you attempt to call this war, or what light you try to mold it into being, it is a war being fought by the USA, by American volunteers who are risking their lives right now, and who will accomplish a great good if they manage to secure safety for a democracy, where previously existed a genocidal tyranny without hope of "PROGESS"

Your efforts are NOT to assist millions towards freedom, but to risk their being devolved back into a dark tyranny where they may be beheaded for speaking out, or some sexual "crime". You are following along like a sheep to spread your sheep-like manure over the hopes for success in this war ... or to gain profit from sowing fear and hatred for those fighting genocide and human sacrifice. You are playing politics with war, and in slavish cooperation with those of your traitorous party who are doing the same.

It was TREASON to the Democratics to disagree with the war in Bosnia, after it had started and our forces committed to the field. Anyone who spoke out after the troops had gone were called names and silenced in their speech as anti-patriots, or traitors to the USA.

Yet, here you are trying to defend the daily, minute-by-minute effort to lose this war by Democratics, or to highlight every single incident possible to vilify it, our troops and the effort to free millions!!!

That's the trouble, too -- You liars are so good that you even believe your own vile and subversive statements by your own vile and subversive leadership

This War is LOST! Subversive Senator Reid!

Scum sucking traitor!

Scoobydoo voice... Hu-uh!

TAD,
So... does that mean we won't be walking hand in hand?

Tad, what will it take for you to figure out that the majority of the Dems and the Repubs are Globalist members of the council on foriegn relations, and they're first priority is to the global corporations even at the extent of killing millions of people around the world, Americans included. All of these politicians could care less about you and and your family. Even more important, they don't give a shit about the United States of America. They are globalists. Their alegiance is to corporate money, and the United Nations. The UN is their political and military arm.
Take an hour out of your life and research the CFR, globalism, and the North American Union

I know I just wasted my time, because you just say, "oooh conspiracy nut...tin foil hat.
But most people have woke up, so maybe even you can to.

Jeff asks, "So... does that mean we won't be walking hand in hand?"

Jeff, Jeff, I just can't tell you how much I admire folk like you. "Uffda", can only approximate ...

So you mean the retards set up by the FBI patsy can't be convicted? Color me surprised.

Does Tadowe need to change his meds or something?

Or is he having Vietnam REMF PTSD over the horror of having to do admin in a cushy air conditioned office in Saigon?

TADOWE

Since you once again insist on turning a thread to pure shit I want to point you to the article SPUD posted on another thread.

No one helped Saddam more than Reagan.

"Because the United States was not involved in that one. It was involved in the massacre of the Iraqi Communists (the US Central Intelligence Agency gave Saddam their membership lists). It was implicated up to its ears in Saddam's war against Iran -- to the point of arranging for Iraq to be supplied with the chemicals to make poison gas, providing Baghdad with satellite and AWACS intelligence data on Iranian targets, and seconding US Air Force photo interpreters to Baghdad to draw Saddam the detailed maps of Iranian trenches that let him drench them in poison gas.

The Reagan administration stopped Congress from condemning Saddam's use of poison gas, and the US State Department tried to protect Saddam when he gassed his own Kurdish citizens in Halabja in 1988, spreading stories (which it knew to be false) that Iranian planes had dropped the gas. It was the US that finally saved Saddam's regime by providing naval escorts for tankers carrying oil from Arab Gulf states while Iraqi planes were left free to attack tankers coming from Iranian ports. Even when one of Saddam's planes mistakenly attacked an American destroyer in 1987, killing 37 crew-members, Washington forgave him.

And it was George W. Bush's father who urged Iraq's Shias and Kurds to rebel after Saddam was driven out of Kuwait in 1991, and then failed to use US air power to protect the Shias from massacre when they answered his call. The US was deeply involved in all of Saddam's major crimes, one way or another, so no trial that delved into the details of those crimes could be allowed.

Instead, the spin-doctors in the current Bush administration put the Dujail trial first and scheduled the trials for Saddam's bigger crimes for later, knowing that they would all be cancelled once the death penalty for the Dujail incident was confirmed. The dirty laundry will never have to be displayed in public."

Actually Denmark buys most of its oil from Q8. a Brittish owned kuwait based oil company. Ally to the US.

They're okay Jeff because a bBush sent Americans to die for them, they must love us. Just like the saudis.

Though I believe Q8 is actually owned by the kuwait royal family...

www.q8.co.uk

"Though I believe Q8 is actually owned by the kuwait royal family..."

Hey, did you hear???
Hugo Chavez wants to be president for life!
OMG!!!
Sure glad we went to war to insure democracy in Kuwait.
That other ally of the US, you know the one where all the 9-11 terrorists came from, I hear it's a democracy too.

I remember this story from a couple years ago.

They were a group of cronic unemployables who hung out on the streets of Liberty City. Relatively harmless.

Basically they were all squawk and no walk. Bush was looking for somebody to frame so he could look tough.

If I remember right, they were all excited because they thought they were going to get some money, a pickup truck and new sneakers. They were the dredges of Liberty City for sure but not a danger to anybody but themselves.

I hope the FBI gets their asses handed to them on this one.

Exactly Twinpac. These guys should have been prosecuted for something I suppose, cluelessness probably. Bringing Al Qaeda and the war on terror into it just devalues the real threat of those things but Bush and Gonzo decided to waste a few more tens of millions of dollars in manpower and resources that could have been better spent by the FBI tracking down real terrorists.

Here's what we were REALLY dealing with as everybody with half a brain knew.

"THE DETAILS EMERGING yesterday about the seven accused wanna-be jihadists did not make up a picture of your standard Islamic terrorists. Either Haitian immigrants or the sons of Haitian immigrants, they belonged to an off-the-wall Biblical sect called the Seas of David that mixed elements of Christianity and Islam. Their leader, Narseal Batiste, was known in his native Chicago for his large, wooden walking stick, flowing robes and matching headdress - either white or purple. "He used to stand on the corner for a long time talking up at the sky and holding a big stick," said Sarah Villasensor, 53, who owns the Latina Jewelry store a few doors down from where Batiste used to live. "He would stay for hours right there." Batiste, at 32 the oldest of the group, imposed an ascetic regime: no women, no booze, no drugs, no meat and lots of martial arts. They affected a military bearing and wore black uniforms with homemade shoulder patches that some described as a Star of David. "We study and we train through the Bible, not only physical but mentally," a member calling himself Brother Corey told CNN. "We are not no terrorists.""

www.nydailynews.com

Down here in S. Florida we have known this case was a joke from the beginning. It was an obvious attempt by the government to appear to really be combatting terrorism. These guys were about as dangerous as any other group of low achievers from the ghetto. I'm still hopeful that the government will get the ridicule it deserves for this nonsense.

twi, I think you have just described 90% if the AQ fighters that ar killing our troops now. Being poor and having a low IQ dosen't make them less dangerous to the USA. Being poor and stupid makes them lovable to you libs.




They were a group of cronic unemployables who hung out on the streets of Liberty City. Relatively harmless.

Basically they were all squawk and no walk. Bush was looking for somebody to frame so he could look tough.
-POSTED BY TWINPAC



The 'Thought Police' - Senate Bill 1959

buzz.omgili.com


www.newstarget.com

"Being poor and stupid makes them lovable to you libs."

Hardly, but it does make us realize that much of the "war on terror" is an absolute bunch of bull shit. When they have to make a big deal about arrests like this one you know they are really desperate to justify the expense and the increase in authority that the government seeks.
The "war on terror" is much like the "war on drugs." It will never end and it continues to justify itself by making arrests occasionally, putting people in prison but, in reality, having little effect on the culture of drug use. We could save the billions we spend on it and virtually nothing would change in regards to drug usage.

It's like when I heard about Truely Nolan, a pest control company in Orlando agreeing to be informers of any terrorist activity when they do their spraying in homes.....like real terrorists are going to worry about pest control?????
Come on, who's kidding who????
But someone at Homeland Security could justify his/her existence by coming up with this brilliant idea which will make us all "safer."

It's like the 9/11/01 hijackers. Who would believe that plot before it happened?

Hay guys, lets round up 20 young men, learn how to fly big planes, and then crash them into a few big buildings along the east east. I have a question mohamad, are thoes virgins women or goats? Goats, good. I wouldn't want to die for some stinkin woman.

Our Government has used innocent people as alleged proof of foriegn threats and their own diligence, while doing nothing during the 9-11 attack and giving a green light to cronies robbing us all blind.

Innocent people, that's innocent pawns in political games, and they knew damn well they were innocent and didn't care whether they wasted these peoples lives. That's the kind of leadership we expect in a Mediviel Society.

It's like the 9/11/01 hijackers. Who would believe that plot before it happened?

George W. Bush was one of those who didn't. He didn't want to break into his vacation at the ranch.

Presidential Daily Briefing 8/6/01. "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in US"

"....FBI information indicates suspicious patterns of activity in this country consistent with preparations for hijackings or other types of attacks, including recent surveillance of federal buildings in New York...."

For the President only, 6 Aug 2001."

"Who would believe that plot before it happened?"

There was an FBI agent who did. There were people with the FAA who did. It seems that some folks, not in the administration though, thought that taking flight lessons but not wanting to know how to land was sort of suspicious. Did any of these idiots take flight lessons or do anything else which really made them capable of managing a real terrorist attack???

"Who would believe that plot (9/11)before it happened....?"

Airline pilots were speaking of how easy it would be to take an ordinary jet and attack New York for decades. If you've ever flown over New York, this is not an idea unique to pilots.

It's a joke

"For the President only, 6 Aug 2001."

He had other priorities that day. Sorry America.

Maybe this is why every Republican Prez candidate has said Bush has failed to make America safe.
Not one has said "keep" America safe, they all promise to "make" America safe. Even the Bushies don't trust Bush, I guess.

"Thanks, Jeff, and it is funny that Danes are so dependent on oil, that they bow and scrape to Iran, after the embassy was attacked, and because it was DEMANDED in order to continue to acquire your energy ...

It is funny that while Americans whine about $3 dollar a gallon gasoline, you all pay more than $8, while having your noses held to the ground as ME has its foot on your collective necks. - Tadowe"

Tadowe, I hate to be the one who has to point out the bleeding obvious but seeing that no one else is stepping up to the plate...

Denmark is setting up windfarms everywhere they can. They see where oil is going and they want to make sure their people aren't burning their wooden shoes for heat. What's your country doing? Oh yeah, growing corn. Good luck on that one.

And as far as socialism goes, did you know that the US gov't subsidizes gas more than they subsidize agriculture? It's funny how Americans are the first to scream socialist when they absolutely refuse to see the socialism they support in their own country.

And Zed is right. The only people who couldn't conceive of using an airplane to crash into a building are the ones running your country. It's no wonder you've lost the war in Iraq.

"more aspirational, than operational"

Pretty much Spud's contention from the first moment this story broke.

Spud was right agin? Quelle suprise!

Folk paying attention here will note that they dropped the original charges on Jose Padilla, as well.

BushCo are deeply invested in perpetuating a climate of fear in which the general populace/ electorate are too concerned fer their own safety to ask the right questions or think too carefully about wot is really going on.

Spud suggests it's time to call them on their bullshit and to reject the politics of fear for the politics of hope and pro-active solutions rather than "Nobody could have imagined" and over-blown reactions.

Just a thpought.

Generico is make a point...

What's your country doing? Oh yeah, growing corn. Good luck on that one.

Hey! No fair!! Ya fergot to mention "clean coal" technology.

* snicker *

Ha! Deth is "Snarkastic" Spud!

Be Well.

PS to Tad:

Careful now Taddles. Spud still has yer nose from last night. Now, if you ever want it back on yer face again yer gonna hafta promise to take yer meds like a good li'l trooper. ^_^

I'm voting a full Spud party ticket next November.

And Zed is right. The only people who couldn't conceive of using an airplane to crash into a building are the ones running your country

Actually, this is a very good point.

Does anyone out there in blog-world remember a little known American writer called Tom Clancy?

Oh so you haff heard of the guy! Excellent. That'll make this go much easier.

Second question... Ever hear of a character called Jack Ryan?

You haff! Wonderful.

Yup, he's been played by a few guys to date in a couple of little movies like Sum of All Fears, Hunt fer Red October, Patriot Games, Clear and Present Danger... ya may haff heard of them.

Ever hear of a book called "Debt of Honor"?

It's also set in the Ryan-verse of those aforementioned books.

It was never made into a movie.

It prolly never will.

Spud can hear blog-world asking the question...

It was a best seller like all the others so why is that? Here's why...

* spoiler alert *

The ending also has coincidental parallels with the September 11, 2001 attacks, although the disaster is not caused by terrorists. An embittered Japan Air Lines pilot flies his Boeing 747 directly into the U.S. Capitol building during a joint session of Congress with President Durling attending. He does so to avenge the deaths of his brother and son during the war. Nearly the entire United States presidential line of succession is eliminated. Ryan, who has just been appointed Vice President, is immediately sworn in as President and begins his term of office in the immediate sequel, Executive Orders

Nobody could have imagined? Me Spuddish ASS!

It was in the plot to one of the most successful book and movie franchises in the history of the US. To declare the idea beyond imagination is an out and out lie. In fact, the possibility was even brought up alongside a number of other scenario's in that now infamous PDB "Osama determined to strike inside the United States"

Next pol to use the phrase "Nobody could have imagined" gets shit-canned fer it.

Do we haff a deal?

On an unrelated side note, easily Spud's favorite book out of all Tom Clancy's books to date involves the origin of John Kelly/Clark called "No Remorse". If you aint read it yet ya should, it purely RAWKS!

Spud was quite chuffed to read on imdb this day that it's being made into a movie, finally.

Sweeeeet!!! Spud is sooooo there!

Be Well.

I'm voting a full Spud party ticket next November.

~Jomama

Woo Hoo!! Spud luffs PARTIES!

Owie! Spud yelled too loud and hurt his head there!

Damnable hangover!!

Ta fer the nod.

Be Well.



It was rumored that during the late 40s and 50s
that 70% of the operating costs of the Communist
Party of America (CPA) was provided by FBI agents
working undercover in the CPA.

Did I hear these "Terrists" in Miami wanted their moneyman to buy them Terrist uniforms?

ron up north (of the weather)

"It's like the 9/11/01 hijackers. Who would believe that plot before it happened?

Hay guys, lets round up 20 young men, learn how to fly big planes, and then crash them into a few big buildings along the east east. I have a question mohamad, are thoes virgins women or goats? Goats, good. I wouldn't want to die for some stinkin woman."

I have a few better questions!

why wern't any of these Muslims on any of the flight lists of the flights they were supposed to be on?

How did they manage to outsmart NORAD?

Why have some of these Muslim men turned up alive in the middle east?

And why was NORAD running training operations that day of crashing airplanes into the world trade center towers?

It's like the 9/11/01 hijackers. Who would believe that plot before it happened?

It was apparently worked out several years beforehand in southeast asia and known to the CIA. You can google it.

What the hell-Merry Christmas
Although they had fought together in 1987, Bin Ladin and KSM did not yet enjoy an especially close working relationship. Indeed, KSM has acknowledged that Bin Ladin likely agreed to meet with him because of the renown of his nephew, Yousef.10

At the meeting, KSM briefed Bin Ladin and Atef on the first World Trade Center bombing, the Manila air plot, the cargo carriers plan, and other activities pursued by KSM and his colleagues in the Philippines. KSM also presented a proposal for an operation that would involve training pilots who would crash planes into buildings in the United States. This proposal eventually would become the 9/11 operation.11

KSM knew that the successful staging of such an attack would require personnel, money, and logistical support that only an extensive and well-funded organization like al Qaeda could provide. He thought the operation might appeal to Bin Ladin, who had a long record of denouncing the United States.12

www.9-11commission.gov

MANILA, Philippines (CNN) CNN has obtained documents showing a Philippine police report about the terrorist plot of September 11, 2001 that was given to the FBI in 1995 and the U.S. agency's summary document of the report, which left out any mention of the plot.

Philippine authorities said the United States did not take their information seriously. The documents come on the heels of a congressional report that indicates the U.S. intelligence community missed several clues that could have added up to the terrorist plot before the attacks. (Full story)

Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, the alleged mastermind of those attacks and the highest-ranking al Qaeda operative in custody, told his U.S. interrogators that planning for the attacks on New York and Washington began in 1994 in the Philippine capital.

In the mid-1990s, Mohammed, who had become al Qaeda's third-highest-ranking leader by the time he was arrested in 2003, lived in an apartment in Manila. (Mohammed profile)

Mohammed told his U.S. interrogators that he and his nephew, Ramzi Yousef -- who is serving a life sentence for his role in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing -- began plotting what would become the September 11 attacks seven years earlier.

Why the FBI got away with the first WTC bombing
By Jerry Mazza
Online Journal Associate Editor


Feb 28, 2007, 00:43


The secret tape recordings

After the bombing, the FBI further played Keystone Cops and stumbled over themselves to rehire Salem, offering him a million bucks to discover evidence of more terrorist plots. Salem, being a reasonably smart guy, did not trust the boyz to pay up. So he secretly recorded his conversations with FBI agents. In August, as the case approached its trial, news leaked Salem had made tapes of more than a hundred hours of his conversations with FBI agents and handlers. Yet somehow the transcripts were not helpful to the prosecution.

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Purportedly, it was never totally clear to what degree Salem instigated the bombing, in contrast to just reporting on the plot to his FBI controllers. Yet, as James Bovard reports, Salem offered to do a switcheroo on the bombers and substitute harmless powder for deadly explosives and prevent any real catastrophe. The FBI turned down his offer. Why? Salem wasn't committed to explosives. Why were they?

Salem groused to one FBI man that an FBI supervisor "requested to make me to testify [in public] and if he didn't push for that, we'll be going building the bomb with a phony powder and grabbing the people who was involve in it. But . . . we didn't do that."

That's right, the real explosives were used and the reason lands square in the FBI's lap.

The FBI was also embarrassed by the 47 boxes of explosive plans and information that had been seized from Nosair and left sitting in storage for two years. In fact, the FBI claimed that part of the reason for that was that no one in the New York FBI office spoke or read Arabic. Like no one, not even a UN interpreter who could be borrowed, or a scholar from one of the many universities in town?

One note on one of the boxes read, "We had to thoroughly demoralize the enemies of God. This is to be done by means of destroying and blowing up the towers that constitute the pillars of their civilization, such as the tourist attractions they're so proud of and the high buildings they're so proud of." In fact, a law enforcement official told the Los Angeles Times in 1993 that the materials "described major conspiracies and provided a road map to the bombing of the World Trade Center and the subsequent plot." All that rhetoric and no response? FBI, shame on you again.

Bottom line: more praise than heads rolling

Somehow the FBI got more credit for "solving" the first World Trade Center bombing than it got "blame" for the fact that its informant may have aided in the bombing, or that they paid no heed to his warning. In the wake of what may be interpreted as sheer incompetence, purposeful negligence or dare I say veiled participation, Congress held no oversight hearings or investigations of how and why the feds goofed. Instead, in the wake of the first WTC devastation, the FBI rode the wave with its new director, Louis Freeh.

"It's like the 9/11/01 hijackers. Who would believe that plot before it happened?"


They were much better as a subplot in X-Files (that's being too nice - the show sucked) and very few people probably watched but...

"The pilot episode, which first aired on March 4, 2001, concerned a terrorist plot to fly a hijacked airplane into the World Trade Center towers."
- Trivia for "The Lone Gunmen" (2001) - IMDb

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