Uh oh. I think a lot of dominoes are about to start falling.

Update:

* Brady Anderson
* Manny Alexander
* Rick Ankiel
* Jeff Bagwell
* Barry Bonds
* Aaron Boone
* Rafael Bettancourt
* Bret Boone
* Milton Bradley
* David Bell
* Dante Bichette
* Albert Belle
* Paul Byrd
* Wil Cordero
* Ken Caminiti
* Mike Cameron
* Ramon Castro
* Jose Canseco
* Ozzie Canseco
* Roger Clemens
* Paxton Crawford
* Wilson Delgado
* Lenny Dykstra
* Johnny Damon
* Carl Everett
* Kyle Farnsworth
* Ryan Franklin
* Troy Glaus
* Rich Garces
* Jason Grimsley
* Juan Gonzalez
* Eric Gagne
* Nomar Garciaparra
* Jason Giambi
* Jeremy Giambi
* Jose Guillen
* Jay Gibbons
* Juan Gonzalez
* Clay Hensley
* Jerry Hairston
* Felix Heredia, Jr.
* Darren Holmes
* Wally Joyner
* Darryl Kile
* Matt Lawton
* Raul Mondesi
* Mark McGwire
* Guillermo Mota
* Robert Machado
* Damian Moss
* Abraham Nunez
* Trot Nixon
* Jose Offerman
* Andy Pettitte
* Mark Prior
* Neifi Perez
* Rafael Palmiero
* Albert Pujols
* Brian Roberts
* Juan Rincon
* John Rocker
* Pudge Rodriguez
* Sammy Sosa
* Scott Sc hoenweiis
* David Segui
* Alex Sanchez
* Gary Sheffield
* Miguel Tejada
* Julian Tavarez
* Fernando Tatis
* Maurice Vaughn
* Jason Varitek
* Ismael Valdez
* Matt Williams
* Kerry Wood

The Brewers would have been clean, but we just signed Eric Gagne.

Maybe some premature retirements coming? This list is going to kill careers.

Pudge and Sheffield are on the list?

That sucks.

Update - the original list which was put out by WNBC has been pulled due to some discrepancies. Clemens is definitely on it, as is Petitte and most of the others. But a couple of others, including Pudge don't appear to be.

Hold the phone folks. We are a ways from anything happening.

Pretend Karl Rove works for the players union for a minute.

What do you suppose will happen to this informant in the next few months?

Which one of these guys have failed a drug test? If they haven't then they won't budge on this. In the end all we have is the testimony of someone.

The report contains photocopies of the checks and money orders the players wrote to the steroid and HGH supplier. That may be a little difficult to explain.

Gagne? How bad would he have been without them?

Just words and more words. Not even a hint of a threat to get Congress involved if the union just says "Ho Hum".

redsoxnation

By and large the Cubs are in the clear. Not surprised to see Wood and Prior on the list. Those two are crystal chandaliers - classic cases of steroids making a body stronger than it could handle. Maybe we can get out of their contracts?

And Darryl Kile is dead. Out of respect for the dead, his name should probably be pulled off the list.

Lot-0-Red Sox on there...

Anywho
* Albert Pujols
* Jason Varitek
* Johnny Damon

on the same list as


* John Rocker

Prior and Wood are not on the list according to the Chicago Tribune.

There are some players on the list that went from being average/below average players to stars - Brett Boone and Brady Anderson for example. And there are players on the list who were most likely star players before they became involved in steriods.

But at least half the guys on the list were marginal players at best.

Yawn. The list is what 2-9 years old? But for Congress, this is a major success. I guess because there's nothing important going on in the world they need to worry about, I'm sure it wasn't really a waste of time.

SO WHAT.

let's put an asterisk on every player since baseball became a sport for every cheat, glove full of vaseline, pitcher on acid, blah, blah, blah...

and you should let Pete Rose into the hall of fame too... seriously.

SO WHAT.

let's put an asterisk on every player since baseball became a sport for every cheat, glove full of vaseline, pitcher on acid, blah, blah, blah...

and you should let Pete Rose into the hall of fame too... seriously.

Pretend Karl Rove works for the players union for a minute.

Posted by eberly

It didn't take long to get politics drug into this. You just don't quit.

It didn't take long to get politics drug into this. You just don't quit.

Posted by Sniper

I thought the libs would appreciate my example.

It will get very ugly before it's over.

bret boone was obvious... he went from 7 hr's in 1997 to 37 hr's in 2001.

Will they give back their ill gotten awards and money as did Marion Jones?

I think they're lucky there's so damn many of them.

Uncle Bud will be along shortly to tell us what he plans NOT to do about it.

SanAntonioRogue...where did you get THIS list???

"The commissioner should give the players and everyone else the chance to make a fresh start,"

BS. Put an asterisk next to each of their accomplishments just as should be done for Bonds.

if a juiced batter hits a homerun of a juiced pitcher...does that remove any advantage?

Man I am going to miss those all out drag out fights my husband and I have about Barry Bonds (at least it is the only thing we argue about). Me = he's juiced Him = says who? Ad infinitum until there is a silent stand off.

It'll be interesting to see whether these players will be demonized in the same way Bonds has been. Clemens is no less an egomaniac than Barry Bonds.

The current rules of MLB stipulate a 50-game suspension for the first offense, 100 games for offense #2, then a lifetime ban. If enforced, you'll be seeing a lot of holes in teams' rosters for the first part of the 2008 season.

Bud Selig promised very serious consequences to follow anyone named in this report. So let's see what he does--maybe he'll pull something like Tennessee Mountain Landis did, back with the ChiSox. That would be something.

If anything this should vindicate Bonds' record to a degree. The defense of "everybody's doing it" was pretty prominent, but you never really had any proof. Well, here's some proof.


Pudge and Sheffield are on the list?

That sucks.

I don't like the thought of this...especially since we just traded away Rabelo. I pray that Vance Wilson is as healthy as he's supposed to be. At least Cabrera wasn't on the list. :D

If Vance Wilson IS healthy, we essentially traded out Sheffield for Cabrera. I know its a stretch, but if Vance is capable of doing for 130 games what he did for 60 or so back in 2006, then you're essentially getting the same offensive production...and I can live with that. If nothing else, it reinforces that Thames will be the one traded, not Inge.

i feel quite certain that selig will most likely not allow them to play golf for 2 consecutive ssaturdays. That clown has to go. all of this happened on his warch. I also now understand why the yankee payroll has ro be so high. does the players union have a drug discount plan?

C'mon white folks!!!

Lets see how you "excuse" this steriod use. Don't know how you will do it but I'm certain you will.

This ought to be interesting.

Lets see how you "excuse" this steriod use. Don't know how you will do it but I'm certain you will.

This ought to be interesting.

Posted by fresno500
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Not me. Ban 'em for life. Including the HOF.

is the opposite of white folks, colored folks?

Lets see how you "excuse" this steriod use.
Posted by fresno500

I'm whiter than fresh snow in December, and I don't excuse it. Ban them all, if it can be proven. That's the tough part.

And one other thing. If they play for Boston or the Yankees, they should be executed.

And if they play for the New England Patriots, they should be executed too. Just because.

And their fans.

Clemens, Sheffield Named in Steroid Report

So much of the love of baseball is about the keeping and recording of statistics -- and comparing statistics between eras -- so fathers and sons, for example, can argue who was better "hank Aaron" or "barry bonds" or "nolan ryan" and "Roger Clemens". Now we know -- Bonds and Clemens cheated. And the childlike love we all share of this wonderful game descends into a tragic cynicsm-- that even those who would be blessed to play major league baseball -- would choose to disrespect the Game and put dishonesty, greed and selfishness above everything else.

And unless baseball deals with these cheaters in the harshest most final way possible, the steroids scandal forever taints the Game and damages those important conversations with dad and with our own sons and daughters that so frame the american experience.

What is called for is that all the players named in the report should be banned from baseball and prevented from entering the Hall of fame. All their records should have asterisks next to them pointing out that these were achieved through the use of performance enhancing drugs.

Keenesaw Mountain Landis made the right move in 1919 when he dealt with the "black sox scandal" by doing exactly that -- banning all the players involved forever from the game. That served notice to players that gambling and fixing games would in no uncertain terms be tolerated. And it isn't tolerated to this day, as Pete Rose found out.

Baseball needs to deal with the steroid cheaters in the same way.

This is so lame, steroid cheating has been going on since before the early 80's. Track and field, football, soccer, swimming, bicycling, you name it, steroids were used. Baseball pretended it didn't happen, and were one of the last sports to get with the program. It's baseball's fault not to have banned it and tested for it. these players are not the ones who should be ashamed.

Barry Bonds was made an example of because people hated him. Most of the others will get off with a minor wrist slap. BTW just cause they took roids doesn't mean they would be superstars. These guys all have major talent. Put an astrick in the books for all of them, unless baseball wants to continue playing more games, acting like it didn't/couldn't happen.

I read that the cheaters will always be a step or two ahead of testing. Just look how good tour de france riders cheated for decades w/o being caught.

The only way to stop it is to have players volunteer to be constantly tested. The key is when their muscles/bodies grow more than 55%, then they should be tested rigoursly(sp), cause that is the major sign of steroid use.

Unless a player is part of the clean group then their results are suspect

This is like Richard Nixon and Watergate for baseball.

Hello cynicism, goodbye innocence.

Roger Clemens came to Boston the same time I did from Texas and I was a fan even though baseball isn't my favorite sport.

I hope the real baseball fans, kids especially, don't lose as much of their enthusiasm for their beloved sport over this scandal as America did about the political process over Watergate.

(Nixon admin types being the same bunch of criminals that Shrubby brought back into power with him.)

Maybe Shrubby will be promoted to Commissioner in his later years.

Will they give back their ill gotten awards and money as did Marion Jones?

Only if they flunk a drug test.

Otherwise no fucking way.

"I hope the real baseball fans, kids especially, don't lose as much of their enthusiasm for their beloved sport"

How can anyone call it a "sport" when the left side of the Yankee's starting infield makes more than the entire Tampa Bay Devil Ray team? What's fair about spending $150,000,000 and "competing" against a team that can only afford 1/5th of that?

"Ban 'em for life. Including the HOF."

What about Gaylord Perry?

"Cheating" has been a part of baseball culture since the beginning. Stealing signs, corking bats, "doctoring" a baseball, ect. That being said, none of those things are actually against the law or deadly like steroids can be.

It's way past time for the Players to step up and get this crap out of baseball.

I just found out that Mitchell was a paid member of the Red Sox board right up until he started the investigation. There are no important Red Sox players mentioned in the report except Clemens, who is hardly in good standing with the Red Sox Nation. And the HGH allegations against Paul Byrd were "leaked" the day he was to pitch against the Red Sox in the ALCS. I doubt Mitchell made up any allegations but it is certainly reasonable to expect that he would be incented to investigate certain players more closely than others.

Can't baseball get anything right? Then again, it is impossible to expect Bud Selig to understand what a conflict of interest is, having been MLB commissioner and owner of the Brewers at the same time for years.

Can't baseball get anything right? Then again, it is impossible to expect Bud Selig to understand what a conflict of interest is, having been MLB commissioner and owner of the Brewers at the same time for years.

Posted by Sully

He put his daughter in charge of the Brewers when he was elected, but your right....same thing. He's a goof.

This should not come as a surprise to anyone. Steriods have been in baseball since the 80's would anyone dispute that?

The problem I have is that (as I see it) this is just the tip of the iceberg. The people listed in this report are by no means *all* the people who have used steroids over the years. One of the numbers I have heard is that this represents maybe 1% to 3% of the people who have used steroids.

These are only alegations. There is very little real proof. In several cases it is something like "Yea, I talked to this guy who said he did it a couple times".

I agree with some above, *if it is proven* then they should be banned from baseball for life.

Gee, a politician as judge for America's morals? I see a bunch of law suits resulting form this. An unnamed trainer say he saw someone, injecting something, and now Senator Mitchell has decided from his perch of high to name names. Come court time the trainer will be long gone.

G A S P ! ! ! !

No f-ing way!

No way!

I can not believe I am hearing that atheletes are enhancing their god-given gifts.

Phew.

I'll bet they did it for the love of the game.

Must be.

Just like all the "amateur" atheletes do it for love of country.

Ban 'em all

For life.

Immediately.

In all sports.

Then go after them for bringing shame and derision to the sport they are in. Sue the f-ing pants off them to have harmed sports as they have in these past 20 years.

There is a generation of kids injecting themselves now as we speak because they see the rewards this brings.

Thanks sports heros. You are the greatest.

Regards,
etc.

well well well.....the money grubbin duo of pettite and clemmons must not have moved back to the yankes for the money after all........it must be easier to score illegal drugs in NYC than it was here in houston.......and of course thats not it, but it sounds better.

clemmons got older AND HE GOT BETTER......now that works with sex but NOT WITH AN ATHELETE.......

and mister CHOIR BOY PETTITE........wonder what the deer park choir will think of him when he comes home after knowing that he is a CHEATER......

and I have to agree with someone here as well as a ton of callers to radio shows...........this is the best news that bonds could have asked for.......and the poster was right......now we will have to GET OFF HIS ASS or include them all........of course he did LIE UNDER OATH.........and as one radio guy said......yeah they did it too, but bonds is a son of a bitch and that makes it different.....

and one more thing for baseball concerning bonds and all this.........GET OFF THE ASTERISK thing unless you have the courage to tell clemmons.....NO TO THE HALL OF FAME.........

I don't understand why this is such a big deal. Why is there congressional investigations into Baseball?

What's next, congressional investigation into womens beach volleyball?

If Selig thought there was a problem, then being the head honcho you'd think he'd be able to do something himself about it.

Who else cheated? Flo Jo, Marion Jones, there are rumours of Carl Louis etc. etc.

this is the best news that bonds could have asked for.......and the poster was right......now we will have to GET OFF HIS ASS or include them all........of course he did LIE UNDER OATH


The word "knowingly" gives him so much leeway, I really don't see how they can get a conviction one way or the other. It's a much less convuluted argument than the definition of "is".

FREE BARRY BONDS!

Who cares about baseball. We still have Professional Wrestling.

How bout those of us fans who knew full well that steroids were in the game accepting our takin our lumps too? Anybody except me elbowing the guy next to us and saying " jeezus man, "Sammy looks 30 lbs of solid muscle bigger than in '97 ?...Hey beer man, two cold ones here".

Lets all carefully climb off the collective high horse and admit that BB is sponsored by politically sanctioned 'drug pushing'corporate mogals.

Were my full throated roars of aproval for the Home runs any less drug (alcahol) induced than the steroid enhanced hulks who entertained us?

For those who see this as mitigating the offense, it is not.

I'm not sayin...I'm just sayin.

Everyone knows they are all guilty and the owners don't care about it. The report is more political for baseball than anything else. Nothing can happen in baseball, in addition to having re-write records baseball also does not want to re-write play-offs and world series results and play-off qualifying. Baseball owner do not have enough ink or resolve

If Barry goes down so does the great white hope roger the dodger I'm in the best shape of my life Clemens.

What's good for barry is also good for roger! John Rocker should have had his roid taking axx on that list that boy was just to hyped up.

Jose C. I am buying your book!!!!

ALL CLEMENS RECORDS SHOULD BE THROWN OUT!
ALL YANKEE AND ASTRO VICTORIES SHOULD BE LOSES!
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you got, can you clarify your position for us please?

Kick 'em all out I say! Have a draft.
Let the kids in, they will play, we will watch.
The Game will survive.

Cheating is not measured in factors of grayness. Its black or white. You cheated or you didn't.
Bonds cheated and Clemens cheated.

And Bob Costas emerges as the baseball apologist, spewing "tradition" and "sanctimony".

Baseball has always been a boring game. Now it's a boring game played by cheaters.