A shining example of republican respect for the law.

A shining example of republican respect for the law.

Posted by Species8472

And Jay Rockefeller is a shining example of what?

Still a step up from Reagan's arming the mad ayatollahs in spite of laws against it.
For th party of law and order, the GOPper's really seem to believe they're above it.
Funny that.

A shining example of republican respect for the law.

Posted by Species8472

YEAH! Damn Librul activist judges.

And Jay Rockefeller is a shining example of what?

Posted by wisgod

Of Democratic doublespeak when it comes to foreign policy, among other things.

Both parties ar corrupt. nuff said.

And Jay Rockefeller is a shining example of what?

Posted by wisgod




sorry, rightie., YOUR side is the one that has been making the big stink about respect for law and order, morality, family values, etc., implying that that the other side is somehow less. YOU picked the fight, YOU lose.

Now can we finally get on to dicussing ISSUES?

The Republicans understand the code of the gangster, which is that you can get away with anything as long as there is nobody with balls enough to stop you.

Todays Democrats, assuming that even Republicans share their belief in a certain goddamned piece of paper, appear to lack said balls.

"Todays Democrats, assuming that even Republicans share their belief in a certain goddamned piece of paper, appear to lack said balls."

Very true! I'm so pissed that the democrats have done nothing in regards to reeling in Bush and company.

I say get rid of every politician in office now and start all over!!

and nothing will happen.

YOU picked the fight, YOU lose.

Posted by midiman

Settle down. I have no problem with an investigation, but don't try to tell me Jay is being honest.

Settle down. I have no problem with an investigation, but don't try to tell me Jay is being honest.

Who's implied that? We already know if it was a Republican you'd' be defending them. We've all seen it. I don't care who's hands are dirty - if they're involved go after them. Clean house!

This threads about the wanton destruction of evidence that was ordered to be kept by the Courts. As this story gains legs, it's now become clear that there were at least three court orders to keep the evidence.

This was obstruction of Justice. It goes right to the DoJ. A lot of people in the current Administration are sweating out what may come. The ACLU lawsuit is particularly hard hitting.

Who's implied that?
Posted by YAV

midiman

Who's implied that?
Posted by YAV

midiman

Second post on the thread. First mention of Rockerfeller:

A shining example of republican respect for the law.

Posted by Species8472

And Jay Rockefeller is a shining example of what?

You don't even lie well. I suppose you don't have to as long as you can deflect from your Administration covering up torture, lying about it, redefining it, and willfully destroying evidence.

All of you need to get the facts. Don't bother with the AP as they are wrong.

The court order sctually applied to videotapes in possession of the U.S. military of interrogations at Guantanamo Bay, not videos of interrogations held at secret CIA sites in foreign countries.

The chief of the agency's clandestine service ordered their destruction in November 2005, taking the step without notifying even the C.I.A.'s own top lawyer,

Bush Administration officials were against the destruction of the interrogation tapes.

Right on KBM

It is amazing to me how some take the word of the LIBERAL LEFT media as gospel. The court DID NOT order foreign made tapes to be preserved. WHY??? They did not nor do they have jurisdiction in foreign countries over what foreign operatives do or do not do. In this country YES they do. That is precisely why we turn terrorists over to foreign interrogators too. Too many bleeding heart idiots here to get anything accomplished.

So, once you get it straight then go on to the next subject because the problem is not destroying anything in a foreign country. The problem is the fact these terrorists ever existed in the first place.

We got the answers and it is now over. End of story.

Wasn't this posted on here yesterday? You never stop beating a dead horse, do you?

A shining example of republican respect for the law.

Posted by Species8472

And just exactly how do you know that old CIA agent is a republican? I haven't read that anywhere. Seems you make shit up to suit your leaning to the far left.

"And just exactly how do you know that old CIA agent is a republican?"

Good God, man, it's a Republican administration, and they've been in charge nearly seven years. When is the "party of responsibility" going to take some responsibility?

When is the "party of responsibility" going to take some responsibility?


Screw you, Danforth.

It's all Clinton's fault.

Good God, man, it's a Republican administration, and they've been in charge nearly seven years. When is the "party of responsibility" going to take some responsibility?

Posted by Danforth

I suppose Bush checks with every government agency every morning and asks them if they are going to destroy any record today. I guess he's responsible for the shitty service I get at the post office too. WTF over.

The lesson of Watergate: destroy all the evidence.

The only principal in play is the rich and powerful can violate the law with impunity. We do see political casualities from time to time, Democrats when the Republicans are in power and visa versa. But in War, murder, assassination, torture, and taxpayer rippoff, the more powerful you are the more suffering you can inflict on humanity without any consequence. Rice is giving Wolfy another job. Give me a break.

You don't even lie well. I suppose you don't have to as long as you can deflect from your Administration covering up torture, lying about it, redefining it, and willfully destroying evidence.

Posted by yav

I mentioned Jay, and he said it was a Repulican only issue. Now if you want to claim that Jay is being 100% honest, so be it. You people are laughable that everytime something like this comes up, it is Bush's fault and his alone. Nobody works for the POS, right? And he has final say on everything that happens in this country, right? When an employee fucks up where you work, do you all bust through the bosses door to place blame?

Good God, man, it's a Republican administration, and they've been in charge nearly seven years. When is the "party of responsibility" going to take some responsibility?

Posted by Danforth at 2007-12-13 12:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

When they call themselves the 'Party Of Responsibility', they're referring to what they lay at others feet.

I am sorry.....there are people surprised about this??

(p.s.: to wisgod - "When an employee fucks up where you work, do you all bust through the bosses door to place blame?" Umm.....YES! Its his company, its his business, and it is his employees....that sort of makes him the 'go to' guy, especially if that certain employee 'fuck up' affects my honest labors for that same boss...unless you are so into the distraction/insanity that is 'bureaucracy' that you prefer to toss the problem into a 'void' so that it may or may not even see the light of day again. Hmm....wait, thats what the industrial/military complex does, so it has to be the right thing.....get it? The 'right' thing???

tiredofitall, to clarify my statement, I should have finished it with "blame the boss".

"I suppose Bush checks with every government agency every morning and asks them if they are going to destroy any record today."

The leader is either responsible or irresponsible. For better or worse, they get the nod. They were called "Hoovervilles", not "Democratic Congressvilles". It's referred to as The Reagan Revolution, not The Tip O'Neil Compromise. The failures of this administration will be laid at the feet of Bush. Iraq will be "Bush's war" not "Bremer's Idiotic De-Ba'athification", or "Cheney's Pension Guarantee Ploy".

BBL.

The lesson of Watergate: destroy all the evidence.

Posted by nutcase

Even if it isn't evidence that is in the court order. It wasn't GITMO stuff.

So what. What are we going to do about it? Just add it to the pile of everything else.

Even if it isn't evidence that is in the court order. It wasn't GITMO stuff.

That's almost true - it can be construed that way in 2 of the cases, but not the ACLU case. The charges are going forward in all 3 cases. The Courts will decide.

No doubt the CIA still "has" those tapes or copies and lots of other torture tapes to boot - but they're turning none in to Congress probably on the advice,if not the strict orders of the Bush White House! Bush and Cheney know that denial of "war crimes" looks a whole lot stronger once they've destroyed,or had their flunkies destroy,all the incriminating evidence!

But the reality is that Congress wouldn't actually want to receive those degrading,CIA torture tapes because they couldn't deal with it as in they wouldn't want to answer to their constitutients over why they had long approved and endorsed the CIA and the US Military's use of torture on mostly completely innocent people!

I thought we just saw a thread the other day that said the CIA was desperately trying to find someone to tell them to do the right thing and not delete the tapes.

Whew. It sure is hard trying to get through all the ways not to do something to find out you only had to "listen".

Something like clients I guess. They generally like to try all the bad ideas first. Then, they've got them out of the way so the right one really sticks out.

Of course it really helps the billing.

Regards,
etc.

This is interesting and not a single democratic congress runner is bring this issue up.

I have to wonder why?

Could be that there are more important issues to the American public.

It was Valerie Plame's job to watch them. She's the Democratic political officer assigned to the CIA.